| 00:00.53 | JeffM | now the question is can you "lock" with out the GM flag? |
| 00:01.00 | KTL | yes |
| 00:01.09 | JeffM | should you be able to |
| 00:01.11 | KTL | if you are alive |
| 00:01.22 | KTL | you spawned them, you know the codes |
| 00:01.35 | JeffM | but do you still have the radio hardware to send the codes? |
| 00:01.47 | JeffM | what all does the "GM flag" entail? |
| 00:01.57 | KTL | no, you lost the launchers, but a radio is basic tank equipment |
| 00:02.15 | KTL | the ability to launch/spawn the things |
| 00:02.21 | JeffM | so if the world spawns 100 GM shots tied to your player ID, and you lock, they hit your target? |
| 00:02.44 | KTL | they all go towards it :D |
| 00:02.46 | KTL | joyyy |
| 00:02.55 | JeffM | joy for who? |
| 00:03.05 | JeffM | you just got attacked by 100 GMs, are you happy? |
| 00:03.13 | spldart | is back and btw has tried to avoid letting his frustration with having a lock and making the shot in current release only to lose the kill not effect his current thoughts ont he subject |
| 00:03.45 | KTL | where did you get 100 gm's from? and well it's like bad weather |
| 00:04.07 | JeffM | I'm just sayin look at it from the otherside of the fenc3e |
| 00:04.13 | JeffM | the target not the shooter |
| 00:04.23 | JeffM | people have a tendency to only look at flag aspects from the shooter |
| 00:05.23 | spldart | ooOOoo. spldart weights in.. loss of flag loses rf comm with missle so last lock is held |
| 00:05.47 | KTL | i dont see a difference with now, there is only one extra thing to think of: that there is a small chance that the gm owner comes back and redirects his missiles fast after he got shot |
| 00:06.17 | JeffM | but we are saying ther has to be a heartbeat signal for the missle to lock |
| 00:06.22 | JeffM | what if you go PZ? |
| 00:06.36 | JeffM | or OO? |
| 00:06.45 | JeffM | or CL or ST? |
| 00:06.52 | JeffM | a radio signal could give away ST |
| 00:07.03 | KTL | yes then he would still be able to reset the target |
| 00:07.07 | spldart | agreed.. st for sure shouldn't update missles should it |
| 00:07.08 | KTL | ow lol |
| 00:07.29 | JeffM | so this magic radio works in in all dimensions? |
| 00:07.44 | JeffM | likes the idea if keeping the lock mechanims tied to the flag |
| 00:08.19 | KTL | for the very very few times this can happen ok you could but an exception that disallows st oo and ghosted pz to do such tricks |
| 00:08.29 | KTL | s/but/put/ |
| 00:08.47 | JeffM | shots are being decoupled from reload timers and players, so it may be able to happe more often now |
| 00:09.32 | JeffM | I have to test this in 2.0.x but can you get the lock message now with no flag? |
| 00:10.08 | JeffM | or does it just say identify? |
| 00:10.18 | KTL | i thought i was able to lock my last missile after the gmflag was thrown away, but did not check that thoroughly |
| 00:10.44 | KTL | but relocking it after dieing, i never got the chance to try that out |
| 00:10.53 | KTL | diing |
| 00:11.02 | JeffM | I right clicked a ton of times |
| 00:11.04 | JeffM | no lock message |
| 00:11.05 | KTL | dying |
| 00:11.08 | JeffM | just identify messages |
| 00:11.17 | JeffM | and identify has been made automatic |
| 00:11.18 | Lukstr|Laptop | locking post death seems silly |
| 00:11.27 | JeffM | so that tells me that lock mechanism is tied to the flag |
| 00:11.29 | JeffM | not your tank |
| 00:11.43 | spldart | Need to change the "Locale character directories" status... How? |
| 00:11.43 | JeffM | no flag, no change targets |
| 00:12.05 | KTL | as long as the gm goes unguided the moment the owner dies it's ok for me :D |
| 00:12.23 | JeffM | yeah I can agree with that |
| 00:12.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | does it currently "seek" targets? |
| 00:12.36 | JeffM | but I think he needs GM to be able set the lock target again |
| 00:12.47 | JeffM | Lukstr: if it dosn't have a lock it just goes straight |
| 00:12.56 | Lukstr|Laptop | right |
| 00:12.59 | JeffM | but you can give it a lock target after launch |
| 00:13.02 | Lukstr|Laptop | but once it has a lock, it just goes after it? |
| 00:13.05 | JeffM | all GMs target your current lock |
| 00:13.06 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:13.12 | JeffM | you don't "drive" the missile |
| 00:13.14 | Lukstr|Laptop | that's what I thought |
| 00:13.15 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah |
| 00:13.20 | Lukstr|Laptop | so why would it stop seeking after you die? |
| 00:13.35 | JeffM | mostly because that isn't fun |
| 00:13.38 | Lukstr|Laptop | seems to me like the missile should just go after its target independent of who shot it |
| 00:13.38 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh |
| 00:13.41 | KTL | no fun indeed |
| 00:13.54 | JeffM | I can see logic behind doing it that way, but I can also see how it's no fun |
| 00:14.05 | Lukstr|Laptop | ah, so we're nerfin' the gm? :P |
| 00:14.06 | JeffM | kill the shooter, unlock his GMs, it's your reward |
| 00:14.16 | JeffM | no, rught now they go unguided after deatht oo |
| 00:14.19 | JeffM | so that stays the same |
| 00:14.25 | Lukstr|Laptop | ah that sounds good then |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM | I'm just trying to define the logic in human terms |
| 00:14.41 | KTL | suppose i camp with something on a platform, a gm climbs up, i take the risk to kill him before his missiles get to me, then i want to be assured that i can evade his incoming gm if i succeed |
| 00:14.44 | JeffM | cus I have to rewrite it |
| 00:14.46 | Lukstr | right |
| 00:14.52 | JeffM | and the server can fire GMs for you now |
| 00:15.11 | JeffM | KTL: yes that is your reward |
| 00:15.46 | KTL | (i only retold the story for lukstr) |
| 00:15.58 | JeffM | the server is going do the actual "driving" of all the missiles |
| 00:16.06 | Lukstr | I totally understand, no worries. Was just chirpin' in |
| 00:16.16 | Lukstr | Yeah that all makes perfect sense to me |
| 00:16.40 | JeffM | so that means if the world fires 100 GMs for you, the only way you can give them a lock is if you had GM |
| 00:16.51 | Lukstr | heh |
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| 00:17.03 | Lukstr | should call it "Persuaded Missile" instead of GM :P |
| 00:17.21 | JeffM | tho if the world fired a GM, the server would have to have a plugin and I thin that plugin would steer it |
| 00:20.01 | KTL | dreams "what if in rabbit games the rabbit can summon gm's from the sky directed to the hunters" |
| 00:20.25 | KTL | never seen a gm that starts in a non-horizontal flight |
| 00:20.48 | JeffM | world weapon GM can fire any angle now |
| 00:20.55 | JeffM | they just can't steer |
| 00:21.12 | KTL | not so spectacular as it could be |
| 00:21.51 | KTL | i try to imagine how to evade a gm that comes in from above |
| 00:22.33 | KTL | i can not drive up to keep my moves perpendicular to its flight |
| 00:22.57 | KTL | so it would be nearly impossible to evade,except with a roof |
| 00:25.01 | BulletCatcher | Would not any horizontal direction be perpendicular to the path of a GM from above? |
| 00:26.58 | KTL | in the horizontal plane i can avoid it by turning a bit, in the vertical plane i cant decide to evade by climbing a bit |
| 00:27.51 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I see what you mean. |
| 00:28.25 | JeffM | it would depend on the height |
| 00:28.32 | JeffM | basicly GM has a cone it can it |
| 00:29.00 | JeffM | there is actualy a height were it can't ever turn horizontal |
| 00:29.19 | JeffM | the way you dodge them now is by getting outside of the cone as they get near you |
| 00:29.26 | JeffM | since you can turn faster then they can |
| 00:29.35 | JeffM | same thing goes for them in any oritnetation |
| 00:30.45 | KTL | what about drawing that cone's bottom on the radar! |
| 00:30.59 | JeffM | it changes as it steers |
| 00:31.05 | JeffM | and what Z level would it be? |
| 00:31.21 | JeffM | do you want to draw the cone sides on radar for normal GMs? |
| 00:31.22 | KTL | projected on the horizontal plane, ellypsis |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM | most consider that a cheat |
| 00:31.45 | KTL | i dont think that it would help playing, but it would make the thrill |
| 00:31.53 | JeffM | then it's pointless |
| 00:32.14 | KTL | because those ellipses would become smaller quickly, it is a game still |
| 00:32.31 | JeffM | oooo I know |
| 00:32.38 | JeffM | I'll turn GM into quantum strangelets |
| 00:32.51 | JeffM | and just make them appear inside the powerplant of random tanks |
| 00:33.21 | BulletCatcher | Your teammates won't like that :-) |
| 00:33.24 | KTL | how does that look like? |
| 00:33.38 | Lukstr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.42 | KTL | ah like neutrons flying around you? |
| 00:33.50 | KTL | euhm |
| 00:33.51 | KTL | elektrons |
| 00:33.59 | KTL | around a core |
| 00:34.11 | Lukstr | I can't see electrons :) |
| 00:34.29 | JeffM | you cant generaly see a laser ether ;) |
| 00:34.40 | KTL | except with lots of dust |
| 00:34.55 | BulletCatcher | "Do not look into laser with remaining good eye." |
| 00:37.05 | KTL | considered cheating ... not if everyone has it |
| 00:37.18 | spldart | The patch fresh up "Reinitialize fonts on GL context switch" helps in transitions of window to fullscreen? windows and or linux? I'm built for win now |
| 00:37.19 | KTL | chevrons would be considered cheating ... if not everyone had them |
| 00:41.25 | spldart | I think it's so cooled they took in some farscape peeps into sg1 |
| 00:42.33 | spldart | is finally getting ready to watch ark of truth |
| 00:44.16 | KTL | thinks about cones |
| 00:49.21 | KTL | the gm cone is not a real cone, the sides are curved |
| 00:50.02 | KTL | is a non-horizontal cut-trough of such a shape still an ellipsis? |
| 00:50.11 | JeffM | parabola |
| 00:50.13 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 00:50.35 | Flash | spldart: At least in my test set of one (MacOS), fonts were not rendering properly when switching from full-screen to windowed |
| 00:51.14 | Flash | the logic to respond to GL context switches was removed during brlcad debugging; when I put it back in, my fonts rendered properly |
| 00:51.46 | JeffM | yeah he has to put a lot of that code back ;) |
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| 00:52.24 | Flash | I think it's pretty clean now (of course, I still want to break it up more ;-) |
| 00:53.07 | JeffM | you should probalby look at how it was before, that way you know what the features are and what is suposed to be done |
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| 00:54.27 | Flash | I have been (that's where I found the GL stuff) |
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| 01:08.16 | Flash | SPL_SG1: the gate is open |
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| 01:14.52 | I_Died_Once | sup ladies' |
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| 02:36.52 | brlcad | Flash: it still crashes in the destructor |
| 02:37.12 | brlcad | (with your patch applied) |
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| 02:49.11 | Flash | grrrr |
| 02:49.22 | Flash | you have a stack trace? |
| 02:49.50 | AAA_awright | Hm? |
| 02:52.59 | Flash | it's nice and clean for me |
| 02:53.59 | javawizard2539 | So what does it mean if you have a + next to your name in IRC? |
| 02:54.19 | javawizard2539 | It doesn't seem to be anything similar to what a + means in bzflag |
| 02:54.21 | AAA_awright | javawizard2539: You are voiced. Nothing too special. |
| 02:54.30 | javawizard2539 | What does that mean? |
| 02:54.37 | AAA_awright | An IRC mode, voice. |
| 02:54.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v javawizard2539] by ChanServ |
| 02:54.43 | Flash | some channels restrict talking to voiced members |
| 02:54.47 | AAA_awright | Exactly |
| 02:54.53 | AAA_awright | mode +m will do that |
| 02:54.53 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 02:55.24 | javawizard2539 | So basically on some channels you can only talk if you have a +, and you can just listen otherwise? |
| 02:55.41 | javawizard2539 | Ok, thanks |
| 02:56.04 | Flash | in this channel, anyone can be an idiot |
| 02:56.19 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 02:59.51 | Flash | close the iris |
| 03:00.00 | spldart | good movie |
| 03:00.07 | spldart | and funny flash :) |
| 03:00.28 | spldart | the eldest daughters seem to enjoy too |
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| 03:10.22 | spldart | Wow.. it got quiet when I dialed the gate out didn't it.. overall |
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| 03:41.08 | AAA_awright | ~bzsvn |
| 03:41.09 | ibot | from memory, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 03:49.55 | Flash | packs up the laptop and heads towards the airport |
| 03:50.12 | spldart | business trip? |
| 03:50.18 | Flash | yup |
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| 03:50.31 | think_tank | could someone give me a 10 second history and status of bzflag 2.1.14? |
| 03:50.54 | spldart | good luck and happy traveling :) |
| 03:51.30 | brlcad | Flash: are you actually changing through menus up and down before quitting? |
| 03:51.32 | spldart | ooOOoo.. that's been a while hasn't it? hrm.. :-( |
| 03:51.42 | brlcad | just starting and quitting is often insufficient |
| 03:54.17 | Flash | yes |
| 03:54.25 | Flash | I join a server, play, change resolutions |
| 03:54.29 | Flash | play some more |
| 03:54.41 | Flash | then quit |
| 03:55.30 | brlcad | the nature of stack stompage, not reliable |
| 03:56.02 | Flash | how do you crash it? |
| 03:56.20 | brlcad | just start up, visit a couple menus, quit |
| 03:56.32 | Flash | wow |
| 03:56.39 | brlcad | it dies in ftgl via destructor as it always has |
| 03:56.53 | brlcad | that's the whole point of the bug |
| 03:56.54 | javawizard2539_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.03 | javawizard2539_ | ignore that |
| 03:57.07 | eTangenT | swing and a miss, java. |
| 03:57.07 | Flash | hides his eyes |
| 03:57.08 | brlcad | you patch didn't really change anything either, just a different loop |
| 03:57.16 | javawizard2539_ | i'm changing my password |
| 03:57.28 | Flash | no, you can't do the erase on the vector like you had it |
| 03:57.28 | spldart | woops |
| 03:57.36 | Flash | and I added the GL Context stuff |
| 03:57.43 | javawizard2539_ | how do I ghost javawizard2539? |
| 03:57.46 | spldart | but good strength on that password |
| 03:57.50 | brlcad | the gl context stuff is completely unrelated |
| 03:57.59 | spldart | */msg nickserv ghost user password |
| 03:58.14 | spldart | woohoo |
| 03:58.18 | Flash | it may be unrelated to the crash you are seeing, but it is related to fonts not rendering when changing resolutions like I was seeing |
| 03:58.32 | brlcad | of course -- it was there before, it was removed just as part of testing and hadn't bothered putting it back until the crash is fixed |
| 03:58.33 | spldart | R U both mac? |
| 03:58.35 | javawizard2539_ | hmm, now I forgot now to switch my name to javawizard2539, anyone know how to do that? |
| 03:58.43 | javawizard2539_ | *how |
| 03:58.47 | eTangenT | /nick javawizard2539 |
| 03:58.49 | blast007 | /nick |
| 03:58.49 | spldart | */nick |
| 03:58.51 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:58.54 | brlcad | it's not like changing resolution corruption is/was a mystery ... |
| 03:59.04 | spldart | needs and anechoic chamber |
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| 03:59.07 | javawizard2539 | there we go |
| 03:59.09 | brlcad | that's not the problem that is being fixed |
| 03:59.16 | brlcad | s/fixed/investigated/ |
| 03:59.20 | Flash | in any event, the erase on the vector is a bug |
| 03:59.31 | brlcad | erase on an iterator is bad how? |
| 03:59.41 | javawizard2539 | How do I change my password? |
| 03:59.46 | Flash | when you erase on a vector, all the subsequent elements are moved up |
| 03:59.53 | brlcad | yes... |
| 03:59.56 | Flash | but you incremented your iterator down |
| 04:00.06 | Flash | the original had a map, where that logic worked |
| 04:00.23 | spldart | You need to hit up google for a man on irc :-) |
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| 04:00.49 | Flash | A simple way to clear a vector is "while( (itr=vec.begin()) != vec.end() ) vec.erase(itr); |
| 04:01.01 | brlcad | ah, maybe just the particular way it ended up after trying several different looping contstructs |
| 04:01.07 | Flash | or you could just .clear() |
| 04:01.07 | javawizard2539 | hmm, someone ghosted me |
| 04:01.20 | JeffM | did your password get out? |
| 04:01.23 | spldart | Wasn't me |
| 04:01.28 | javawizard2539 | Unfortuately, yes |
| 04:01.28 | Flash | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.31 | brlcad | you can't just clear() when you need to free elements inside the iterator (which was the case) |
| 04:01.32 | javawizard2539 | see about 3 pages above |
| 04:01.34 | spldart | yeppers |
| 04:01.49 | JeffM | whoever in this channel did it. not cool |
| 04:01.51 | spldart | 3? |
| 04:01.59 | spldart | W0r |
| 04:02.01 | javawizard2539 | How do I change my password? |
| 04:02.04 | Flash | after calling the clear method for each element, it would be safe to clear the vector |
| 04:02.16 | eTangenT | JeffM: Not I. I considered it, but it would be mean to do to a guy I don't know. |
| 04:02.16 | JeffM | javawizard2539: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:02.27 | blast007 | javawizard2539: /msg nickserv set password newpass |
| 04:02.29 | blast007 | iirc |
| 04:02.47 | Flash | but as it turns out, there is no need to erase the vector. It just has the font face definition. |
| 04:02.56 | Flash | The real fonts are in the array (MAX_SIZE) |
| 04:03.04 | Flash | that's what needs to be wiped |
| 04:03.23 | spldart | btw.. javawizard.. you prolly need to register a second name and password and link it to the first for securities sake.. |
| 04:03.30 | brlcad | it has multiple purposes, the intent of the function is to clear things out |
| 04:03.37 | brlcad | at least one of the functions |
| 04:03.56 | javawizard2539 | How do I do that? |
| 04:04.05 | javawizard2539 | msg nickserv link? |
| 04:04.17 | JeffM | javawizard2539: just type it |
| 04:04.23 | spldart | research it.. I don't remember off the top of my head.. but I have spldart and short_circuit linked |
| 04:04.23 | JeffM | type //msg nickserv help |
| 04:04.27 | JeffM | well one / |
| 04:04.50 | javawizard2539 | JeffM, ok, got it |
| 04:04.51 | JeffM | wonder if I could get a freenode admin to tell me what host did the ghost. |
| 04:05.09 | JeffM | SportChick: you arround? |
| 04:06.19 | Flash | brlcad: I really have to go. You can comment out the call to clear in the dtor if you like, but the other change is valid. |
| 04:06.22 | spldart | Oh and add an email addy to the username java.. the net has all you need to know on the subject |
| 04:06.38 | brlcad | Flash: I also still don't see what you're referring to with respect to the loop before |
| 04:06.55 | spldart | He needed sleep anywho.. business trip and all |
| 04:06.56 | javawizard2539 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.01 | javawizard2539 | ack |
| 04:07.07 | brlcad | the loop has evolved probably a dozen times, but there's nothing really peculiar about grabbing the next iterator and clearing the current |
| 04:07.08 | javawizard2539 | at least there wasn't a password in there |
| 04:07.09 | JeffM | javawizard2539: no spaces ;) |
| 04:07.14 | javawizard2539 | I know |
| 04:07.15 | spldart | do you have a proper client??? |
| 04:07.21 | javawizard2539 | I wish ChatZilla would filter them |
| 04:07.26 | JeffM | best to type them direclty into the nickserv window |
| 04:07.31 | JeffM | then there can't be any issue |
| 04:07.33 | JeffM | or the server window |
| 04:07.36 | javawizard2539 | Good point |
| 04:08.18 | spldart | ugh.. my mouse is acting weird.. If I dissappear and reappear later as short_c you know what happened.. to much testing patches in windows isn't good for stability |
| 04:08.55 | spldart | Java: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering |
| 04:12.59 | javawizard2539 | Be right back, I'm going to switch to javawizard2539_ to link it |
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| 04:13.48 | brlcad | ah, he left |
| 04:16.01 | spldart | :( |
| 04:16.06 | KTL | JeffM, http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bz/gmcone_cutthrough.png |
| 04:16.16 | KTL | that is how the gm cone looks like i think |
| 04:16.18 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 04:16.39 | KTL | i mean, half of it |
| 04:16.46 | spldart | fascinating |
| 04:16.49 | spldart | ;-) |
| 04:16.54 | KTL | and the intersection with a surface would not be ... simple |
| 04:17.12 | KTL | well yes but i got drawn into the idea that you could project that thing on your radar |
| 04:17.30 | KTL | and you would see the area that is threatened by the gm |
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| 04:20.15 | KTL | anyway, good night, the sun is rising here again. |
| 04:20.52 | spldart | woah... |
| 04:20.54 | spldart | I blinked |
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| 04:25.53 | spldart | heads off to bed |
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| 04:26.23 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16923 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: remove skipping size 26 -- that was just a test case. clean up brace styles to match conventions, remove useless and misleading comments. |
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| 05:03.15 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16924 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: remove stale iterators from earlier looping and container constructs; vector::erase invalidates all after the iterator |
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| 05:15.47 | BulletCatcher | In response to the discussion of guided missiles 5-6 hours ago I have written some design ideas that answer several of the questions that were raised. Submitted for review at http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2541c83f |
| 05:19.44 | Lukstr | heh |
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| 05:21.35 | Lukstr | interesting |
| 05:22.18 | BulletCatcher | At least you aren't laughing.... |
| 05:22.24 | Lukstr | yet |
| 05:22.27 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 05:22.31 | Lukstr | it's sandwich o'clock |
| 05:22.34 | Lukstr | so... brb. |
| 05:22.37 | Lukstr | laughter forthcoming. |
| 05:26.17 | WannabeDev | hi lukstr |
| 05:26.37 | WannabeDev | lukstr: pm me |
| 05:28.33 | Lukstr | er |
| 05:28.34 | Lukstr | ok |
| 05:30.04 | WannabeDev | lukstr did you get my pm? |
| 05:30.27 | Lukstr | er, no |
| 05:31.05 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16925 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/FontManager.h src/3D/FontManager.cxx): add back in the context callbacks even though the fundamental problem with clear() is still unresolved. |
| 05:32.00 | WannabeDev | now? |
| 05:32.05 | Lukstr | brlcad: you never sleep, do you? |
| 05:32.17 | Lukstr | don't think so, WannabeDev |
| 05:32.41 | Lukstr | you are typing /msg lukstr bklsgsdf |
| 05:32.43 | Lukstr | ? |
| 05:32.52 | WannabeDev | no, i'm talking in channel #lukstr |
| 05:32.57 | Lukstr | oh lol |
| 05:33.21 | Lukstr | k well, I'm in there now |
| 05:33.23 | brlcad | this "sleep" thing you speak of |
| 05:33.27 | brlcad | it confuses me |
| 05:33.32 | WannabeDev | would it work if we talked in #WannabeDev? |
| 05:33.42 | Lukstr | sure? |
| 05:34.23 | Lukstr | um, yeah |
| 05:35.28 | WannabeDev | lol not working |
| 05:35.41 | Lukstr | clearly |
| 05:36.00 | WannabeDev | i have better idea, maybe |
| 05:36.02 | Lukstr | you're using mibbit.com apparently |
| 05:36.53 | WannabeDev | yes |
| 05:37.46 | Lukstr | using /msg doesn't work? |
| 05:38.10 | pacman87 | Lukstr: you have to accept msgs from unregistered users |
| 05:38.17 | pacman87 | they're blocked by default |
| 05:38.18 | WannabeDev | i can see your msg |
| 05:38.28 | Lukstr | pacman87: ahhhhh wonderous |
| 05:38.31 | Lukstr | how do I do such a thing |
| 05:39.28 | pacman87 | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fromunreg |
| 05:40.26 | WannabeDev | i might as well ask pacman then |
| 05:40.39 | Lukstr | excellent thanks pacman87 |
| 05:40.56 | Lukstr | WannabeDev: okay, try msging me now |
| 05:46.03 | WannabeDev | how do you change what /clientquery returns? |
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| 06:09.57 | javawizard2539 | WannabeDev, I would suggest registering. That way, the vast majority of us who block unregistered users from directly talking to us will be able to hear you. |
| 06:10.10 | javawizard2539 | Basically, you use /msg nickserv register PASSWORD |
| 06:10.25 | javawizard2539 | and then use /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD to sign in. |
| 06:10.42 | javawizard2539 | There's a more detailed description at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 06:11.03 | pacman87 | WannabeDev: and get a real IRC client, too |
| 06:11.16 | javawizard2539 | pacman87, what's he using? |
| 06:11.41 | pacman87 | mibbit |
| 06:11.54 | javawizard2539 | never heard of it |
| 06:12.04 | javawizard2539 | hmm, I suppose that's what you mean :) |
| 06:12.16 | pacman87 | WannabeDev [i=7dec87e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-66bfe5027caae8e3] entered the room. |
| 06:12.59 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: that's not how it works |
| 06:13.00 | javawizard2539 | WannabeDev, one more suggestion, make ABSOLUTE SURE there's not a space in front of the forward slash when you're executing a command |
| 06:13.13 | JeffM | you can only lock when you have the GM flag |
| 06:13.27 | pacman87 | javawizard2539: personal experience :) |
| 06:13.34 | javawizard2539 | Yep |
| 06:13.37 | javawizard2539 | You were on then? |
| 06:13.40 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 06:13.44 | pacman87 | i lurk |
| 06:14.00 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: just enter commands in the server window, if you have one |
| 06:14.01 | javawizard2539 | is thinking of dying of embarrasment that so many people saw his blunder |
| 06:14.18 | pacman87 | it's just a warning/reminder for the rest of ups |
| 06:14.22 | pacman87 | us* |
| 06:14.23 | javawizard2539 | Luckstr, that's what I've started doing :) |
| 06:14.27 | WannabeDev | ahhh |
| 06:14.28 | pacman87 | call it public service :) |
| 06:14.37 | WannabeDev | i just realised 2.0.11 has a bug, not my modifications |
| 06:14.38 | Lukstr | s/c// |
| 06:15.29 | javawizard2539 | Another random question since I'm not on linux, there was a bug where linux users would sometimes get sealed on spawning at some maps. Was that resolved? |
| 06:15.42 | javawizard2539 | In otherwords, is it worth my time to install VPC and Ubuntu to test it? |
| 06:16.10 | JeffM | I belive it happens in trunk on all OSs still |
| 06:16.36 | pacman87 | i'm on linux now if you need a tester |
| 06:16.55 | javawizard2539 | I kind of meant more like on my own machine so I can use a debugger, but thanks |
| 06:18.31 | WannabeDev | did the bug on .11 where "dead" or "ready" is too high up get fixed? |
| 06:18.52 | JeffM | WannabeDev: nothing gets fixed in .11 |
| 06:18.53 | pacman87 | WannabeDev: no one really cares about .11 anymore |
| 06:18.55 | JeffM | it's dead |
| 06:19.01 | WannabeDev | oh |
| 06:19.01 | JeffM | next release is 3.0 |
| 06:19.04 | JeffM | not 2.0.10 |
| 06:19.06 | JeffM | .12 |
| 06:19.12 | WannabeDev | big leaps, aye? ;) |
| 06:19.15 | JeffM | .10 should not have have been released but it had to be |
| 06:19.35 | JeffM | big leaps? trunk is nearly 2 years old |
| 06:20.45 | javawizard2539 | For reference, I posted a map that has excessive linux spawn problems at trivergia.com/sealed.bzw |
| 06:21.02 | javawizard2539 | Scaled down version of Battle of Midway Island |
| 06:34.38 | javawizard2539 | Also, the bug only occurs on linux, not on windows (yet) |
| 06:35.38 | JeffM | cool so it only affects a very small group ;) |
| 06:36.16 | JeffM | tell them the fix relies on a pattent |
| 06:37.27 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 06:37.40 | javawizard2539 | I found what I think is the bug on the tracker |
| 06:37.42 | javawizard2539 | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1696723&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 06:38.07 | JeffM | fun |
| 06:38.15 | javawizard2539 | Oh well, I'm off. G'night all |
| 06:38.19 | JeffM | see ya |
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| 06:41.23 | Lukstr | 12:38's not late :P |
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| 16:39.23 | JeffM | cheers Erroneous on for shoving a XXXL shirt into a flat rate envelope :) |
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| 16:50.54 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: I just confirmed that GM in 2.0.10 works exactly as described on line 9 at http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2541c83f |
| 16:53.38 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, so you can LOCK if you don't have the flag? |
| 16:54.45 | BulletCatcher | Yes. In my test, I dropped the GM flag and picked up ST, then locked. |
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| 16:55.38 | JeffM | that dosn't sound like desirable behavor |
| 16:56.32 | BulletCatcher | It allows normal control of even the last missile. |
| 16:57.06 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: sounds like that may be a side effect of shot limits. |
| 16:57.34 | TheRedBaron | When shot limits were put into effect - your last gm shot would lose its tracking capabilities when the flag was dropped |
| 16:57.56 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: even if you locked before you fired? |
| 16:58.05 | TheRedBaron | blast007: yup |
| 16:58.09 | blast007 | strange |
| 16:58.27 | TheRedBaron | a fix was later implemented |
| 16:59.37 | JeffM | This is what I am saying we will do for 3.0 |
| 16:59.38 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Updated_Shots#GM_Behavior |
| 17:02.18 | BulletCatcher | And your intention was that MsgLockon would only be accepted if the client held the GM flag? |
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| 17:03.52 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:05.56 | BulletCatcher | That would be a change from 2.0 behavior. |
| 17:06.49 | BulletCatcher | Not a desirable one, IMO. |
| 17:07.45 | JeffM | I don't think being able to lock with out the flag was the intended behavor |
| 17:08.22 | JeffM | Erroneous, dosn't belive that we can lock with out the flag |
| 17:10.15 | BulletCatcher | Wanna meet me at Two Tanks to prove it? I have about 10 minutes before I must leave for work. |
| 17:13.48 | JeffM | we are at work |
| 17:14.55 | BulletCatcher | :-) Two Tanks has lots of GM flags on the side towers for convenient testing. Maybe tonight. |
| 17:15.23 | JeffM | I joined a server yesterday and no amount of right clickng let me do a lock |
| 17:15.47 | JeffM | do you think it only allows locks if you have live GM shots? |
| 17:15.56 | JeffM | or anytime after you have had the GM flag? |
| 17:18.35 | BulletCatcher | Ah. I was only testing during the time that a missile was in flight. I agree that locking does not occur after that. |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM | so you say that we check and let you lock as long as there are live GMs |
| 17:19.23 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 17:19.26 | JeffM | that are assigned to your player |
| 17:19.31 | JeffM | yeah I think we have to change that |
| 17:19.48 | JeffM | cus GMs can be fired with out the client's knoweldge now |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM | so if you have a shot limit, make sure that last GM leaves the barrel locked |
| 17:20.37 | JeffM | ether that or we have to have a "can lock" message |
| 17:21.07 | BulletCatcher | I, for one, would like to preserve the 2.0 behavior. |
| 17:21.28 | JeffM | why? |
| 17:22.01 | BulletCatcher | It makes GM easier to use. |
| 17:22.17 | JeffM | in a somewhat rare case ( when you don't have the flag ) |
| 17:22.32 | JeffM | ok, so what happens if you fire GMs. Die, then respawn, can you relock them? |
| 17:23.09 | BulletCatcher | I haven't tried that in 2.0, but my proposed design does not allow it. |
| 17:23.19 | JeffM | I have noted that it would be a change from 2.0 in the wiki |
| 17:23.48 | JeffM | your proposed design is not realy implementable with my shot changes. |
| 17:24.07 | JeffM | in your design anyone can lock anytime |
| 17:24.11 | JeffM | that is a change from now |
| 17:24.46 | JeffM | also there is no need for a per shot boolean |
| 17:24.53 | JeffM | all shots are ether guided or unguided |
| 17:25.01 | JeffM | as far as the clients care, all shots are the same |
| 17:25.17 | JeffM | the server woudl just check if the tank can guide them and then guid them during it's update loop |
| 17:29.32 | JeffM | I belive our designs are the same other then the question of when you can change lock targets |
| 17:29.44 | BulletCatcher | I realize this is not a democracy, but some feedback from other players about your intended change from 2.0 would be helpful. |
| 17:29.55 | JeffM | that's why I'm talking about it here ;) |
| 17:30.05 | BulletCatcher | Likewise. |
| 17:30.29 | JeffM | it's good that you brought up the samll discrepancy |
| 17:30.31 | JeffM | and I've noted it |
| 17:30.36 | JeffM | we'll see what some others think about it |
| 17:30.44 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I must leave for work. bbl |
| 17:30.49 | JeffM | have fun |
| 17:35.03 | JeffM | brlcad, you get your shirts? |
| 17:35.30 | brlcad | haven't been to the post office today |
| 17:35.45 | JeffM | yeah paypal kept complaining about your address |
| 17:36.34 | JeffM | we are so going to have mediums left :) |
| 17:37.37 | Erroneous | guess we just won't need to print many next run :) |
| 17:37.42 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:37.59 | JeffM | we have a total of 31 shirts in stock |
| 17:38.05 | JeffM | and sold 5 over the weekend |
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| 18:23.28 | whodaman- | JeffM, do ya have a small or xs? |
| 18:23.36 | JeffM | we have 3 smalls left |
| 18:23.41 | whodaman- | hmm |
| 18:23.48 | whodaman- | what colors? |
| 18:23.58 | JeffM | gray |
| 18:24.06 | JeffM | the only things we have for general stock is gray |
| 18:24.11 | whodaman- | ew |
| 18:24.17 | JeffM | the other colors were custom |
| 18:24.18 | whodaman- | I'll order some later then |
| 18:24.31 | JeffM | there won't be a later if these dont' sell |
| 18:25.13 | JeffM | yay, the package to moutan view was delivered :) |
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| 18:26.51 | JeffM | whodaman-, what colors would you have prefered? |
| 18:29.20 | JeffM | extra small would be rather hard to do too, that'd shrink the logo on all the larger items too :( |
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| 18:37.40 | Tedius | Coogle is on l4m3r's server |
| 18:40.57 | Tedius | nevermind, mob justice wins |
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| 19:36.02 | catay | JeffM: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1937016&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 19:36.19 | catay | JeffM: patch that moves the eventTime into the baseclass |
| 19:36.55 | JeffM | catay, did you init it in the defualt contscutor to TimeKeeper::getcurrent().getSeconds() ? |
| 19:37.07 | catay | yes |
| 19:37.15 | catay | but I used bz_getCurrentTime |
| 19:37.21 | JeffM | k |
| 19:37.25 | JeffM | that just calls the same thing ;) |
| 19:37.30 | catay | yeah :) |
| 19:37.35 | JeffM | cool thanks |
| 19:37.47 | catay | and it works, tested it with a plugin |
| 19:37.54 | JeffM | I'll see if I can apply it later today |
| 19:38.15 | catay | ok, ty |
| 19:38.30 | JeffM | your shirt shiped out today too |
| 19:38.49 | catay | yes, i got the confirmation mail |
| 19:39.00 | JeffM | yay for interwebs! |
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| 19:39.11 | catay | hehe |
| 19:40.07 | JeffM | hmmm.. I'll have to get an untainted tree |
| 19:40.29 | Osirus | AAA_awright |
| 19:40.40 | Erroneous | I have a clean tree if you want me to apply it |
| 19:40.54 | JeffM | if you want to, go for it |
| 19:40.57 | Osirus | Admirarch |
| 19:41.00 | JeffM | I just have a shot tree here |
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| 19:41.46 | JeffM | catay, tho why did you get rid of bz_getCurrentTime from the api? |
| 19:41.56 | JeffM | or did you move it? |
| 19:41.58 | catay | I didn't, i placed it higher |
| 19:41.59 | catay | yeah |
| 19:42.02 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:42.10 | catay | would there be a better way ? |
| 19:42.14 | JeffM | I'm just reviewing it from the diff |
| 19:42.16 | JeffM | naw that's fine |
| 19:42.25 | JeffM | I just suck at reading dif files :) |
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| 19:42.49 | catay | :) |
| 19:43.01 | JeffM | looks good |
| 19:43.11 | JeffM | much cleaner |
| 19:43.17 | catay | yeah |
| 19:43.38 | catay | deleting code is much easier then adding :) |
| 19:43.46 | JeffM | techicnaly you didn't delete |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM | you moved ;) |
| 19:43.51 | JeffM | that's the joy of OOP |
| 19:43.58 | catay | true :) |
| 19:44.16 | JeffM | and now everyone gets the time automaticly, a good feature |
| 19:44.33 | catay | yup |
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| 19:45.58 | catay | the api documentation at the wiki, is it all added manually ? |
| 19:46.02 | bz88 | hello! |
| 19:46.10 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:46.14 | JeffM | hello bz88 |
| 19:46.33 | bz88 | is there some admin of bz.l4m3r.net? (the compound) |
| 19:46.34 | catay | i will update it there also |
| 19:47.04 | donny_baker | bz88: yeah |
| 19:47.10 | JeffM | thanks |
| 19:47.23 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16926 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx src/bzfs/commands.cxx): patch 1937016 from catay - make eventTime a member of the bz_EventData base class. |
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| 19:47.35 | bz88 | donny_baker: I got proxy network ban message and cannot log on :) |
| 19:47.53 | JeffM | tho most of the API methods should already mention the event time, so it's not a big change to the docs |
| 19:47.53 | donny_baker | bz88: don't use a proxy |
| 19:47.56 | JeffM | bz88, yeah |
| 19:47.58 | blast007 | do you run a Tor node? |
| 19:48.07 | bz88 | i do not use a proxy |
| 19:48.20 | bz88 | blast007 off course! |
| 19:48.26 | JeffM | bz88, that'd be why |
| 19:48.30 | JeffM | stop helping people cheat |
| 19:48.37 | donny_baker | bz88: then that is why, sorry |
| 19:49.00 | bz88 | but it's no use trying to connect through the proxy |
| 19:49.09 | blast007 | doesn't matter |
| 19:49.09 | JeffM | bz88, many servers block tor nodes |
| 19:49.15 | blast007 | we can't verify that |
| 19:49.17 | donny_baker | no sympathy from us... others can though and we have no way to tell |
| 19:49.18 | JeffM | cus they are used for abbuses |
| 19:49.32 | bz88 | thank you stupids! |
| 19:49.38 | donny_baker | any time |
| 19:49.38 | Winny | haha |
| 19:49.49 | catay | JeffM: true, i'm just gonna correct the typos and add the report methods |
| 19:49.55 | JeffM | catay, fair nuf |
| 19:49.57 | spldart | hehe.. were stupid heads bleah |
| 19:50.29 | JeffM | how dare a server owner decide how to use his hardware! |
| 19:50.45 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:50.47 | donny_baker | it's just not fair |
| 19:50.53 | donny_baker | ;) |
| 19:54.47 | JeffM | Looking out a dirty old window, down below, all the cars in the city go rushing by. I sit here alone and I wonder why.... friday night and everyone's moving. I can feel the heat but it's soothing, heading down... I search for the beat in this dirty town. ... downtown the young ones are going.. downtown the young ones are growing.. |
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| 19:56.42 | whodaman | catay, that plugin we were talking about, remember? |
| 19:57.50 | JeffM | hey it's L4m3r that stupid guy bz88 was talking about ;) |
| 19:57.55 | L4m3r | :P |
| 19:58.14 | JeffM | aperantly you are stupid for actualy blocking tor and preventing him from playing |
| 19:59.02 | L4m3r | apparently |
| 19:59.23 | catay | whodaman: which one ? |
| 19:59.26 | L4m3r | I almost didn't load torBlock |
| 19:59.30 | JeffM | I mean seriously, how you be so insenstive! |
| 19:59.33 | JeffM | you bastard ;) |
| 19:59.37 | whodaman | catay, the one with obs talking in teamchat |
| 19:59.37 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:59.50 | catay | whodaman: yes, what about it ? |
| 20:00.01 | whodaman | catay, running on my.bzpro.net:60001 |
| 20:00.27 | blast007 | wonder how hard it would be to expand torBlock to also scan the joining machine for common open-proxy ports ;) |
| 20:00.29 | catay | whodaman: cool :p |
| 20:00.49 | whodaman | :p |
| 20:00.54 | whodaman | Thought you might like to check it out |
| 20:01.18 | catay | i will, later this evening :) |
| 20:01.40 | Lukstr | hello all |
| 20:01.54 | JeffM | word up G! |
| 20:02.05 | Lukstr | werd |
| 20:06.50 | Winny | JeffM, you're too white to say that ;P |
| 20:06.57 | JeffM | that is the point |
| 20:07.12 | JeffM | I was given license by my friend tho |
| 20:07.13 | JeffM | so I'm cool |
| 20:07.20 | Winny | I see |
| 20:07.25 | whodaman | JeffM, the guy in the pic? :p |
| 20:07.31 | JeffM | and his wife |
| 20:07.33 | Winny | -_- |
| 20:07.38 | JeffM | tho It's a limited license |
| 20:07.44 | JeffM | "only when it's funny" |
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| 20:39.56 | JeffM | tick tock tick tock.. everyone got there SoC apps in? ;) |
| 20:41.21 | JBdiGriz | And updated the apps with all of the requested information? ;) |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM | well I think they can do that after, but yeah, before is better |
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| 20:45.09 | JBdiGriz | We start rating them fairly soon. According to the FAQ/guide, they can't update after the ranking begins. |
| 20:45.59 | JBdiGriz | I want to make sure everyone has read our requirements for the applications, and is comfortable that they have included the requested information before we start the rating/ranking. |
| 20:46.10 | JeffM | they can't? |
| 20:46.18 | JeffM | I thought they could add more comments |
| 20:46.41 | pacman87 | comments != app updates |
| 20:46.55 | JBdiGriz | According to the Mentor's Guide (from the web pages) Students will be able to respond to your requests for comments and will be able to update their applications during the application phase, but not once the application phase has closed. |
| 20:47.00 | JeffM | no, but they could answer qeustions etc... |
| 20:47.05 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:47.14 | JeffM | then yeah, do what JBdiGriz says everyone ;) |
| 20:47.30 | Winny | He might tell us to do something odd |
| 20:47.34 | JeffM | still |
| 20:47.35 | JeffM | do it |
| 20:47.47 | Winny | fine |
| 20:48.01 | pacman87 | quick, tell Winny to balance an ice cube on his head |
| 20:48.19 | JBdiGriz | doesn't have the heart |
| 20:48.24 | Epyon | I didn't get any comments yet :/ |
| 20:48.41 | JeffM | yours are fairly well detailed |
| 20:48.46 | Wyk3d | either |
| 20:49.15 | Epyon | was cutting down his proposals on dramatization to make them fit the 7500 limit -_- |
| 20:49.36 | JeffM | only because of the limit? |
| 20:49.43 | Epyon | JeffM, no ;] |
| 20:50.09 | Epyon | Yet I still had to cut some things down because of it :/ |
| 20:50.22 | Epyon | thinks the limit should be 10k |
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| 20:50.29 | JeffM | you can link to stuff |
| 20:50.52 | JeffM | bets Epyon secretly wants the application to be a youtube video ;) |
| 20:51.05 | Epyon | True, but it would look wierd to link to 2,5k additional text :P |
| 20:51.21 | Epyon | Oh, that would rule! With a nice transcendent soundtrack xP |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM | yep, drama queen ;) |
| 20:51.37 | Epyon | xD |
| 20:51.42 | JeffM | "Ohh. and I coudl wear the princess hat!" |
| 20:51.53 | Winny | Hey, give me back my hat |
| 20:52.35 | JBdiGriz | If JeffM were an applicant, I would tell him to give you back your hat. |
| 20:52.40 | Epyon | JeffM, oh, it wouldn't be of myself. I never post neither pictures nor videos of myself on the net. Neither do I post private stuff. |
| 20:53.16 | JBdiGriz | There are plenty of people who will post pictures and videos of you on the net. |
| 20:53.31 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, none that I know of did :) |
| 20:53.57 | Epyon | Except a stray picture on facebook, but those aren't very public anyway. |
| 20:54.05 | JeffM | dosn't see Constitution's application |
| 20:54.14 | JBdiGriz | goes to facebook to publish the picture. |
| 20:54.24 | Epyon | Constitution was to apply? |
| 20:54.30 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:54.32 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, what picture? |
| 20:54.49 | JeffM | I want to make sure he's not off by the DST ;) |
| 20:54.58 | JBdiGriz | Don't take comments too seriously. :) |
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| 20:56.30 | Epyon | runs a google image search on his name |
| 20:57.46 | Epyon | He he, no photos ^^ |
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| 20:59.24 | JBdiGriz | That's funny, a google image search on my name brings up the BZFlag GSoC promotion flyers. :D |
| 20:59.50 | Epyon | Mine brings BZWGen images :P |
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| 21:04.55 | Constitution | JeffM: it is 2:00 PM PST right now? |
| 21:05.13 | JBdiGriz | Constitution: yes |
| 21:05.14 | Constitution | although I probably shouldn't cut it so close anyway :P |
| 21:05.15 | Erroneous | hah, the first image result for me is a picture of purple_cow :) |
| 21:05.18 | Constitution | thanks :) |
| 21:05.23 | JBdiGriz | Constitution: actually, PDT |
| 21:05.32 | Constitution | ah, right |
| 21:05.35 | purple_cow | Erroneous: hahaha |
| 21:05.38 | JBdiGriz | Daylight savings time started early this year. |
| 21:06.28 | Wyk3d | i get avatars from various MaNGOS forum members from an image search ^^ |
| 21:06.43 | JeffM | Constitution, yes |
| 21:06.51 | Constitution | ok, done soon |
| 21:07.06 | JeffM | don't cut it too close, you won't have time to update if need be |
| 21:07.59 | donny_baker | hehe... i got pictures of romfis and tanner |
| 21:10.28 | brlcad | heh, wow .. my old mac-tank images are still in use ... http://1vs1.bzleague.com/ |
| 21:10.55 | catay | Epyon: where you planning to work on one of the idban bugs? |
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| 21:11.26 | catay | Epyon: if not, i'll try to fix one of them |
| 21:24.28 | JeffM | there I've sent out info update comments on the ones that needed it I thought, and commented on those that would be marked as ineligible at the deadline, just in case those people don't know how bad off they are. |
| 21:26.16 | JeffM | still loves "can overclock a GPU" |
| 21:26.37 | brlcad | they can't comment prior to deadline, so they might just get massive negative-rank |
| 21:26.51 | brlcad | er, s/prior to deadline/as ineligible/ |
| 21:26.59 | JeffM | these were the REALY bad ones |
| 21:27.05 | JeffM | the ones you pulled from inelligabe |
| 21:27.08 | brlcad | right |
| 21:27.25 | Erroneous | if they've stuck around without any comments for the LAST week+, I don't see why they'd make any constructive comments in the next week :) |
| 21:28.39 | JeffM | gave Epyon a comment just so he'd feel some love |
| 21:28.54 | JeffM | tho it is a valid comment |
| 21:30.39 | JeffM | you know what one I'd vote for "Implementation of the Internet Face Stab Protocol ( IFSP )" |
| 21:31.15 | JBdiGriz | goes to find that proposal |
| 21:31.22 | Winny | Wouldn't that require extra hardware? |
| 21:31.24 | JeffM | we didn't get it :( |
| 21:31.31 | JeffM | Winny, bonus points if it dosn't ;) |
| 21:31.35 | Erroneous | already looked |
| 21:31.37 | Winny | ;) |
| 21:31.49 | JeffM | need to put that on the list for next year :) |
| 21:34.56 | Winny | needs to find a UTC to EST converter |
| 21:35.09 | Winny | I can't find the time difference, heh |
| 21:35.09 | Constitution | Winny: subtract 4 |
| 21:35.32 | Winny | How do you know this stuff? :p |
| 21:36.26 | JeffM | it's 2:30 |
| 21:37.42 | JeffM | hey, got another one :) |
| 21:40.20 | JeffM | takes away the :) |
| 21:40.46 | brlcad | tick tock, tinyurl.com/3tjkh8 |
| 21:41.35 | JeffM | check it out now.. funk soul brotha! |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM | wishes for more submistions for BZWB |
| 21:42.20 | JeffM | wishes extra extra hard |
| 21:42.50 | JBdiGriz | Another proposal that really needs a pointer to our requirements for applications. |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM | very much big time |
| 21:45.03 | JeffM | was sad that he had to skip jude's application :( |
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| 21:46.48 | TD-Linux | are these applications public anywhere? |
| 21:47.22 | JeffM | no |
| 21:47.45 | JBdiGriz | No, these are available for the mentors. The applicants may make them public if they so desire. |
| 21:49.59 | Wyk3d | you can find a few in the user pages, mine for example :) |
| 21:50.10 | Wyk3d | (at the wiki) |
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| 21:52.50 | Epyon | felt JeffM's love :). With the strength of a 10 ton ball of dirt overhead ^_^ |
| 21:53.08 | Epyon | JeffM, but yeah, valid question |
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| 21:57.14 | brlcad | hugs Epyon |
| 21:57.33 | Epyon | D: |
| 21:57.42 | Epyon | What was that for? |
| 21:58.08 | JeffM | it's love |
| 21:58.10 | JeffM | take the love |
| 21:58.14 | Epyon | yay ^_^ |
| 21:58.20 | Erroneous | hugs Epyon too |
| 21:58.38 | Epyon | hugs brlcad and Erroneous |
| 21:58.42 | Epyon | Yay, free hugs ^^ |
| 21:58.51 | Erroneous | they're the best kind |
| 21:58.51 | JeffM | Epyon, she get the shirt yet? |
| 21:59.07 | Epyon | I'll ask her once she's online |
| 21:59.15 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: Have you been paying for your hugs again? |
| 21:59.32 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:59.35 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, he pays in girlly giggles |
| 21:59.57 | JBdiGriz | his or the huggee? |
| 22:00.16 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, I don't ask, he dosn't tell |
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| 22:06.51 | Epyon | JeffM, I replied to your comment as best I could. |
| 22:06.59 | JeffM | Epyon, ok |
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| 22:18.12 | Constitution | JeffM, brlcad: submitted |
| 22:18.17 | JeffM | yay |
| 22:18.29 | Epyon | Constitution, what are you submitting to? :) |
| 22:18.45 | Constitution | now I must hurry and get my PHP BZFlag client proposal in... AAA_awright, help!!! |
| 22:18.52 | Winny | haha |
| 22:18.59 | brlcad | submitted to the looney bin |
| 22:19.00 | Constitution | Epyon: moving collision code to server |
| 22:20.15 | Constitution | my question is, if the limit on the "detailed" proposal field is 7,500 characters, how did people end up with 4,500-word proposals and fit it in there? |
| 22:20.36 | Epyon | Constitution, I dnt knw :P |
| 22:20.50 | Winny | <img src="images/my_proposal.jpg"> ? |
| 22:20.55 | Constitution | lol |
| 22:21.00 | Epyon | Constitution, mbe u do :P |
| 22:21.05 | JBdiGriz | Constitution: Put some dates on your timeline. |
| 22:21.29 | Constitution | ok |
| 22:23.35 | Manu | Constitution: :) |
| 22:23.47 | Constitution | JeffM: what sort of personal information are you looking for besides what I already have? |
| 22:24.18 | JeffM | you had some? |
| 22:24.24 | Constitution | last two paragraphs |
| 22:24.37 | JeffM | retracts said comment :) |
| 22:24.41 | Constitution | assuming that was what you were looking for |
| 22:24.45 | JeffM | most had put it at the start |
| 22:24.46 | JeffM | my bad |
| 22:24.52 | Constitution | ok |
| 22:25.22 | JBdiGriz | Constitution: IRC nick is a good thing to add in |
| 22:25.27 | JeffM | it'd be nice to know your training in programing etc.. as well as what skills you belive you have |
| 22:25.33 | JeffM | the backgrind info is good |
| 22:25.43 | JeffM | a 'mini resume' would fill it out nicely |
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| 22:26.23 | Manu | they are a bit lazy |
| 22:27.13 | Constitution | JBdiGriz: ah, ok. Also, would "weeks per phase" work as far as dates, or should I spell it out more specifically? |
| 22:28.01 | JBdiGriz | It just gives us a target and some more planning. Feel free to phrase it in the way that makes the most sense to you. |
| 22:28.06 | Constitution | ok |
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| 22:38.04 | Constitution | are extra points awarded for spelling "repository" right? ;) |
| 22:38.25 | JeffM | not if I read it ;) |
| 22:42.28 | JBdiGriz | Constitution: I won't deduct points for spelling errors if it's spelled correctly. ;) |
| 22:45.34 | JeffM | hmmm... we should do polo shirts nex time too :) http://i.americanapparel.net/storefront/images/detail/serve.asp?media=2412W_Army_Black.jpg |
| 22:45.54 | JeffM | http://i.americanapparel.net/storefront/images/detail/serve.asp?media=2412W_Army_Black.jpg |
| 22:45.59 | JeffM | URL on the pocket |
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| 22:55.10 | Lukstr | wow |
| 22:55.19 | Lukstr | JeffM: that first picture is scandalous |
| 22:55.33 | JeffM | gotta love america apperal |
| 22:55.39 | JeffM | sudopr0n |
| 22:55.48 | Lukstr | heh |
| 22:55.57 | Erroneous | psuedo. sudo is what you do to make a sandwich. |
| 22:56.06 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 22:56.17 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: pseudo, unless you're talking about leather. |
| 22:56.24 | JeffM | sudo porn... enter password.. porn not found. |
| 22:56.30 | Erroneous | meh, I was closer than JeffM! :) |
| 22:56.47 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous, closer to pr0n than JeffM :D |
| 22:57.20 | Erroneous | hm, JBdiGriz likes it kinky, with leather ;) |
| 22:57.37 | JeffM | pleather it seems |
| 22:57.51 | Lukstr | heh, pseudo, that's hilarious |
| 22:58.22 | JeffM | oh make me a sammich |
| 22:58.28 | spldart | Pogovina says she would totally by that polo |
| 22:58.34 | spldart | s/by/buy |
| 22:58.35 | JBdiGriz | poof, you're a sammich. ;) |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:58.48 | JeffM | spldart, we could print some next time |
| 22:59.00 | Think_Differentl | mmm...food. |
| 22:59.08 | JeffM | don't think I'd put the logo on the back |
| 22:59.14 | JeffM | but the front logo on the pocket could be good |
| 22:59.28 | spldart | I'd only get one L or XL. |
| 22:59.36 | JeffM | they'd be preorder |
| 22:59.40 | spldart | ah ic |
| 22:59.42 | JeffM | so you could specifiy size :) |
| 22:59.55 | JeffM | for the next printing we will have a TON of pre order stuff |
| 23:00.01 | JeffM | I just have to sell more |
| 23:00.08 | spldart | ic |
| 23:00.31 | JeffM | if I sell like 15-20 of the ones we have left I'll do another print |
| 23:00.35 | JeffM | we haven't broken even yet |
| 23:00.48 | JeffM | tho we are over halfway |
| 23:01.15 | Constitution | halfway, with what percentage of our stock sold? |
| 23:01.56 | JeffM | I have 31 shirts left |
| 23:02.12 | JeffM | we orderd a total of 60 items |
| 23:02.18 | JeffM | the margin on the hoodies was very low |
| 23:02.39 | Erroneous | but they are cool |
| 23:02.54 | JeffM | but then that also counts paying back the overage we went over our input money |
| 23:03.02 | JeffM | we spent 610$ |
| 23:03.09 | JeffM | but only had 500$ from SoC |
| 23:03.29 | JeffM | I covered it out of my pocket |
| 23:03.37 | Constitution | well then |
| 23:03.39 | JeffM | and I've paid that back to me now out of the money we have |
| 23:03.41 | Constitution | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 23:03.56 | JeffM | we are now at $299.14 USD |
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| 23:04.30 | JeffM | wel also spent a little extra on 5 items that we gave away |
| 23:04.55 | JeffM | saturos and google |
| 23:05.16 | JeffM | get your design printed, get a free shirt :) |
| 23:05.41 | Erroneous | any response from the google folks? |
| 23:05.55 | JeffM | no |
| 23:05.58 | JeffM | but I haven't asked |
| 23:06.06 | JeffM | the package was delivered on saturday |
| 23:06.11 | Erroneous | cool |
| 23:06.12 | JeffM | that I confirmed |
| 23:06.26 | Erroneous | should have stuck a CD in there too :) |
| 23:06.27 | JeffM | saturos will get his by friday IIRC |
| 23:06.38 | JeffM | I'm out of CDs |
| 23:06.43 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 23:06.54 | JeffM | that one you shoved in with the XXXL was the last one |
| 23:06.56 | Erroneous | and I suppose they probably have a decent internet connection |
| 23:07.02 | Erroneous | ;) |
| 23:07.15 | JeffM | that one was even the experimental "special" one |
| 23:07.21 | JeffM | full disk label |
| 23:07.25 | Constitution | JeffM, brlcad, JBdiGriz: updated and commented |
| 23:08.05 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:08.28 | JeffM | we sell 16 shirts are we are back to 500$ |
| 23:08.59 | JeffM | if we sell them all we'll be close to 700$ |
| 23:09.54 | JeffM | I bet we'll have mediums left :) |
| 23:10.11 | brlcad | Constitution: we get e-mails if we leave a comment :) |
| 23:10.16 | Erroneous | just means we won't print many mediums next time |
| 23:10.25 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:10.29 | JeffM | like for years :) |
| 23:10.44 | Erroneous | probably should do a couple just in case someone didn't order because they didn't like the color |
| 23:10.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:10.57 | JeffM | it'll be int he 3-4 range |
| 23:10.58 | brlcad | they can be contest prizes |
| 23:10.58 | Erroneous | but yeah |
| 23:11.02 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:11.04 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:11.24 | JeffM | brlcad, go to your post office :) |
| 23:11.25 | Constitution | brlcad: okay, sorry |
| 23:11.26 | brlcad | what? you're an XXL? here, you win a medium |
| 23:11.38 | brlcad | JeffM: they're closed :( |
| 23:11.56 | JeffM | so far Large has been the most popular for general sales |
| 23:11.56 | brlcad | has spent all day reviewing and commenting |
| 23:12.06 | JeffM | XXXL was more popular then I expeted too |
| 23:12.37 | Winny | Next time I'll pick up a XXXXXXL for a bedsheet |
| 23:12.49 | JeffM | if the last one dosn't sell to the person who wanted it, I already have another offer on it :) |
| 23:13.40 | JeffM | Winny, they go up to 5x |
| 23:13.42 | JeffM | in some colors |
| 23:13.51 | Winny | bah |
| 23:14.18 | JeffM | navy is one of those colors too |
| 23:15.36 | Lukstr | feel free to critique my app some more if you get bored, brlcad :P |
| 23:16.25 | delusional | jeff, i'll make my order tomorrow |
| 23:16.37 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:16.51 | Erroneous | JeffM: next time you should hold an auction for it ;) |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM | your in the US right? |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM | Erroneous, or just order more ;) |
| 23:17.09 | delusional | yep |
| 23:17.10 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:17.17 | JeffM | what is sad is I actual y ADDED an extra XXXL onto the order too |
| 23:17.27 | JeffM | that's what delayed it |
| 23:17.46 | delusional | I need it, double x is no enuff for me. |
| 23:17.57 | JeffM | that's why it's on hold for you |
| 23:18.08 | JeffM | the other guy who wants one never told me what size he needed |
| 23:18.24 | JeffM | even after I posted saying "hey tell me if oyu need an XXXL" |
| 23:18.47 | donny_baker | JeffM: if we did that I could wear them to work :) |
| 23:18.57 | delusional | I'll get that and a doubleX, and a hoodie at the next one |
| 23:19.01 | JeffM | I've had a couple people ask for hoodies now too |
| 23:19.11 | JeffM | yeah I think we will sell more hoodies next time |
| 23:20.47 | L4m3r | I might buy another myself :P |
| 23:21.38 | L4m3r | I wonder if any of the other types they have are thicker |
| 23:21.53 | JeffM | sending them to europe sucks :( |
| 23:22.04 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:22.20 | Erroneous | L4m3r: the pullover ones seemed denser than the zippered ones |
| 23:22.28 | JeffM | yeah they did |
| 23:22.32 | L4m3r | meh. I don't really like pullovers though |
| 23:22.42 | JeffM | the zipper is 50/50 the pullover is 80/20 |
| 23:22.48 | Erroneous | yeah, was just sayin' |
| 23:22.58 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 23:23.08 | L4m3r | I think they have a zipper hoody that's 90/10 |
| 23:23.09 | JeffM | there are other brands too |
| 23:23.14 | JeffM | if it's here, I can print on it |
| 23:23.15 | JeffM | http://www.logodogzprintz.com/ |
| 23:23.21 | L4m3r | yeah, I looked there |
| 23:23.43 | JeffM | haynes has a zippered one |
| 23:23.49 | JeffM | that is 90/10 |
| 23:23.49 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:23.53 | L4m3r | that's the one |
| 23:24.16 | L4m3r | color selection is kinda crappy though |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:24.26 | L4m3r | not that I'd mind blue or black |
| 23:24.30 | JeffM | gildan has good colors |
| 23:24.59 | JeffM | we totaly need to do sweatpants wiht the logo on the ass |
| 23:25.47 | Erroneous | hah |
| 23:25.47 | spldart | ah! |
| 23:25.47 | a_temp_dist | team base image goes there |
| 23:25.47 | JeffM | for a new image, we'd hav to print 24 of them |
| 23:25.57 | spldart | mmMMmm Shock Wave Shock Wave Shock Wave... while she's walking |
| 23:26.27 | L4m3r | could you print the next run of shirts with the logo on the front? |
| 23:26.39 | L4m3r | or would you need to pay for a new print? |
| 23:26.48 | JeffM | as long as it's the same screen |
| 23:26.53 | JeffM | I can have it go on the front |
| 23:27.00 | JeffM | same screen same colors |
| 23:27.23 | JeffM | it's 10$ if we change a color of ink but use the same screen |
| 23:27.41 | JeffM | to change the actual screen I have to print 24 items using that screen |
| 23:27.43 | L4m3r | hm |
| 23:27.51 | L4m3r | maybe that should be an option for the next printing |
| 23:27.52 | JeffM | so yeah I could do a front logo |
| 23:27.57 | L4m3r | just a personal preference :P |
| 23:28.00 | JeffM | put the URL item on the sleve or something |
| 23:28.43 | JeffM | the burlycad workout shirt only used one screen, and it didn't cost extra |
| 23:29.06 | JeffM | now I can't put the logo on the front of the zipper hoodie |
| 23:29.08 | JeffM | that is bad |
| 23:29.11 | JeffM | can't cross the zipper |
| 23:29.16 | JeffM | or the pocket seams |
| 23:30.01 | L4m3r | yeah, obviously :P |
| 23:30.45 | L4m3r | I was thinking of the T-shirt. I prefer front prints... possibly because I spend a lot of time wearing a backpack |
| 23:31.37 | Erroneous | could print it on a backpack :) |
| 23:31.54 | L4m3r | I'd love to see someone try to print it on mine |
| 23:32.07 | L4m3r | though a nylon bookbag could work |
| 23:33.09 | JeffM | that means cafe press :( |
| 23:34.43 | L4m3r | ew |
| 23:35.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:35.47 | JeffM | I can minimise the evil of cafepress by buying in bulk, but still... cafe press :( |
| 23:38.02 | JeffM | they have messanger bags |
| 23:38.03 | Erroneous | I was pretty sure the paper catalog logodogz sent to us had one in it |
| 23:38.07 | Erroneous | they had fanny packs and stuff |
| 23:38.08 | JeffM | maybe |
| 23:38.16 | JeffM | some of that does embroidery |
| 23:38.25 | JeffM | and has a much higher minium |
| 23:38.28 | JeffM | like hats and stuff |
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| 23:46.58 | whodaman- | ~Constitution++ |
| 23:49.51 | javawizard2539 | karma Constitution |
| 23:49.56 | javawizard2539 | ~karma Constitution |
| 23:49.56 | ibot | constitution has karma of 67 |
| 23:50.10 | whodaman- | :) |
| 23:50.13 | Constitution | ~karma jeffm |
| 23:50.13 | ibot | jeffm has karma of 64 |
| 23:50.16 | whodaman- | hah |
| 23:50.17 | Constitution | WIN!!! |
| 23:50.28 | javawizard2539 | There was one that had something like -400 |
| 23:50.31 | whodaman- | (me is responsible for the last 4 karma ;) |
| 23:50.32 | Constitution | although I've been around longer than he has ;) |
| 23:50.34 | javawizard2539 | I can't remember which one it is |
| 23:50.36 | whodaman- | ~karma CBG |
| 23:50.36 | ibot | cbg has karma of -440 |
| 23:50.37 | JeffM | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 23:50.37 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 376 |
| 23:50.41 | JeffM | ;P |
| 23:50.43 | javawizard2539 | That would be it |
| 23:50.44 | Constitution | right :) |
| 23:50.47 | whodaman- | :P\ |
| 23:50.54 | whodaman- | ~karma DTRemenak |
| 23:50.54 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 288 |
| 23:50.56 | whodaman- | :o |
| 23:50.59 | whodaman- | ~karma SportChick |
| 23:50.59 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 533 |
| 23:51.03 | whodaman- | Hax |
| 23:51.06 | me1 | ~karma ibot |
| 23:51.06 | ibot | ibot has karma of 24 |
| 23:51.09 | whodaman- | k, I'm done |
| 23:51.17 | javawizard2539 | ~karma whodaman |
| 23:51.17 | ibot | whodaman has karma of 3 |
| 23:51.24 | whodaman- | I had 12! |
| 23:51.25 | javawizard2539 | ~karma |
| 23:51.25 | ibot | javawizard2539 has karma of 1 |
| 23:51.30 | whodaman- | Silly ibot |
| 23:51.36 | whodaman- | javawizard2539, are you a new dev? |
| 23:51.40 | javawizard2539 | Yep |
| 23:51.41 | whodaman- | I saw you in the usergroup |
| 23:51.42 | javawizard2539 | Last week |
| 23:51.46 | whodaman- | oh, kk |
| 23:51.51 | javawizard2539 | Or the week before, can't remember |
| 23:52.01 | whodaman- | :p |
| 23:52.06 | whodaman- | lots of new people lately |
| 23:52.08 | whodaman- | good to see |
| 23:56.24 | Constitution | four minutes and counting |
| 23:56.30 | Lukstr | heh |
| 23:56.50 | Constitution | then they'll probably extend it another three days or something ;) |
| 23:57.07 | KingofCamelot | Probably :P |
| 23:57.09 | CBG | ~karma stopfuckingpingingme |
| 23:57.09 | ibot | stopfuckingpingingme has neutral karma |
| 23:57.19 | whodaman- | ... |
| 23:57.27 | whodaman- | Here's a tip: Leave the channel! |
| 23:58.01 | me1 | set it up to not ping you when someone says "karma" |
| 23:58.31 | delusional | >ping cbg |
| 23:58.53 | CBG | whodaman-: here's a tip. check my karma in a freaking /msg ibot |
| 23:59.01 | KingofCamelot | Google must spend a lot of money on the Summer of Code |
| 23:59.30 | Constitution | do tell ;) |
| 23:59.32 | delusional | a lot to you maybe, a pittance to them. |
| 23:59.56 | KingofCamelot | I don't think 4.5 million or so can be considered that small by them :P |
