| 00:00.13 | spldart | slax had a module for bzflag but they were restructuring last I checked and couldn't get the module |
| 00:00.27 | spldart | crap |
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| 00:00.43 | spldart | That' wat I get for playing rabbit chase |
| 00:00.56 | lol_u | hey guys....whats the command to make it rain frogs or any object? |
| 00:00.57 | spldart | hrm.... |
| 00:01.14 | Think_Differentl | lol_u, /set_rainTexture ? |
| 00:01.16 | JeffM | lol_u, you can't make rain any object |
| 00:01.28 | lol_u | well i saw it happen in the plaza |
| 00:01.28 | JeffM | /set _rain_type frog |
| 00:01.33 | lol_u | ok thanks |
| 00:01.35 | JeffM | frogs you can do |
| 00:01.37 | JeffM | not any objet |
| 00:01.38 | lol_u | ok |
| 00:01.41 | lol_u | thanks |
| 00:01.48 | JeffM | or _rainType |
| 00:01.53 | L4m3r | you can do any two-dimensional object |
| 00:01.56 | JeffM | /set will list it |
| 00:02.00 | lol_u | ok |
| 00:02.02 | JeffM | L4m3r, as long as it a textured quad |
| 00:02.05 | L4m3r | if you set _rainType to particle and set _rainTexture |
| 00:02.06 | JeffM | ;) |
| 00:02.32 | L4m3r | but iirc you must import the texture in a material for the clients to get it... though I have not tried doing it without that |
| 00:03.15 | JeffM | it may not load that on all OSs |
| 00:03.18 | lol_u | it says set failed because of variable |
| 00:03.20 | lol_u | ? |
| 00:03.27 | lol_u | wow im dumb |
| 00:03.31 | JeffM | lol_u, what variable did you use |
| 00:03.45 | lol_u | nothing ? (ashammed) |
| 00:04.12 | lol_u | if its not to much to ask just tell me exactly what to type in |
| 00:04.14 | lol_u | please |
| 00:04.21 | Think_Differentl | you have to have a variable to set something. it's like saying 1 + = ? |
| 00:04.36 | JeffM | or "frog" |
| 00:04.46 | Think_Differentl | lol_u, try "frog" as the variable (without quotes) |
| 00:04.47 | JeffM | lol_u, what are you typing exactly? |
| 00:05.10 | lol_u | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.43 | JeffM | lol_u, _rainType |
| 00:06.07 | lol_u | ok |
| 00:06.55 | lol_u | ok it seemed successful but its not raining |
| 00:06.58 | lol_u | grrrr |
| 00:07.13 | JeffM | have you mucked with any other rain settings? |
| 00:07.20 | lol_u | nope |
| 00:07.34 | JeffM | you have weather turned on in your effects prefrences? |
| 00:07.51 | lol_u | yes its clear blue sky |
| 00:08.42 | JeffM | dunno man |
| 00:08.56 | spldart | used to have the bzflag.mo but can't find it right now... Just for tj13820's info if he pops back in later.. I'll keep an eye out |
| 00:09.17 | lol_u | well thanks for trying anyway |
| 00:11.44 | spldart | Ok.. found my module BZFlag_2_0_4.mo if he pops back in I'll try to hand that to him |
| 00:19.51 | spldart | Ok.. since I'm goin to be in and out this evening I'mma post up a link if it will help him.. Just uploaded my last working pre built bzflag .mo for slax before they restructered. Let him know the bandwidth is poor cuz I'm downloading stuff on the machine the link is from and no guarentee's that it will work on any version of slax post the version they released a year ago. http://70.240.241.158:8080/BZFlag_2_0_4.mo |
| 00:20.07 | spldart | Please don't download that if you don't have slax.. it will do you NO good. |
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| 00:22.04 | kierra | chestal ping |
| 00:26.54 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (n=jolie@c-68-35-232-5.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 00:27.03 | spldart | woah |
| 00:27.14 | spldart | patience much? |
| 00:27.46 | blast007 | Ping timeout. |
| 00:27.50 | blast007 | No route to host. |
| 00:27.53 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:28.05 | spldart | at least -c 1 was used |
| 00:28.09 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:28.30 | nn64 | Yes i successfully made my editor read in options and then save them again properly |
| 00:28.58 | blast007 | I did that too. But I just used Notepad. |
| 00:29.38 | spldart | goes to bust some superflag caps in some armor |
| 00:38.27 | spldart | My kingdom for 100 ms faster reflexes |
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| 00:47.13 | bz94 | i have a bzflag question |
| 00:47.20 | JeffM | shoot |
| 00:47.27 | Erroneous | bang |
| 00:47.39 | bz94 | how does a person become a server admin? |
| 00:47.54 | JeffM | depends |
| 00:47.58 | JeffM | do you own the server? |
| 00:48.15 | bz94 | if i did i wouldnt have to worry about that |
| 00:48.21 | JeffM | do you know the owner? |
| 00:48.35 | Erroneous | why do you want to be an admin? |
| 00:48.37 | bz94 | so its an appointed thing? |
| 00:48.43 | JeffM | owners pick admins |
| 00:48.53 | JeffM | they own the hardware, they pick who can do what on it |
| 00:48.57 | JeffM | it's as simple as that |
| 00:49.11 | bz94 | k thats what i pretty much figured |
| 00:49.11 | JeffM | in general those that ask to be admin, should never get it |
| 00:49.16 | JeffM | what server is it? |
| 00:49.37 | bz94 | do i need BZedit to make a server? |
| 00:49.43 | JeffM | no |
| 00:49.47 | JeffM | bzedit makes maps |
| 00:49.56 | bz94 | where do i get maps for my server then? |
| 00:50.28 | JeffM | you can use random ones, or get them from others |
| 00:50.34 | JeffM | many are posted on the fourms |
| 00:51.02 | bz94 | ok so im gonna give it a shot, i have a few friends i would like to play with |
| 00:51.10 | JeffM | good luck |
| 00:51.21 | bz94 | what processor speed you think i need? |
| 00:51.48 | JeffM | the server dosn't use much at all |
| 00:52.04 | bz94 | so my 3gz will suffice? |
| 00:52.10 | bz94 | ghz* |
| 00:52.16 | JeffM | oh god yeah |
| 00:52.29 | JeffM | some have run it on 200 mhz pentiums :) |
| 00:52.37 | bz94 | holy crap |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM | the server dosn't do much |
| 00:53.03 | bz94 | is all the networking done on another server then? |
| 00:53.08 | JeffM | no |
| 00:53.18 | JeffM | sending network messages isn't that CPU intensive |
| 00:53.36 | bz94 | i meant data routing but ok |
| 00:53.43 | bz94 | anyway gtg |
| 00:53.49 | JeffM | same thing |
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| 00:55.42 | javawizard2539 | lol_u, you there? |
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| 01:01.04 | jmsthing | I have a question |
| 01:01.32 | jmsthing | Is anyone here? |
| 01:01.50 | blast007 | yes |
| 01:01.54 | jmsthing | oh ok |
| 01:01.55 | blast007 | quite a few are here |
| 01:02.09 | jmsthing | well how do I create a BZFlag server? |
| 01:02.28 | JeffM | there are a number of articles and threads on it |
| 01:02.33 | JeffM | but basicly, you run the server |
| 01:02.49 | jmsthing | yeah but what exactly do i need to do |
| 01:03.05 | JeffM | you were just in here wern't you? |
| 01:03.17 | jmsthing | no |
| 01:03.26 | JeffM | step one is to read the threads on the fourms, and the wiki pages on it |
| 01:03.44 | JeffM | ummm someone with the SAME Ip as you was just here |
| 01:03.47 | JeffM | asking about servers |
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| 01:04.03 | jmsthing | Seth... |
| 01:04.08 | jmsthing | seth... |
| 01:04.23 | JeffM | let me guess "little brother"? |
| 01:04.29 | jmsthing | yeah |
| 01:04.33 | JeffM | riight |
| 01:04.47 | JeffM | what OS do you run? |
| 01:04.51 | jmsthing | windows |
| 01:05.01 | JeffM | you have a router? |
| 01:05.07 | jmsthing | yes |
| 01:05.15 | JeffM | read the threads on the fourms about it |
| 01:05.27 | JeffM | you'll have to route your server port to your computer |
| 01:05.35 | JeffM | then it's just setting it up from the command line |
| 01:05.41 | JeffM | and setting your options |
| 01:05.56 | jmsthing | ok btw it was me but I hate looking stupid, btw how do you monitor IPs like that u arent an admin |
| 01:06.05 | JeffM | then why lie? |
| 01:06.15 | spldart | hehe.. I'm one of the pentium 200's on some of my bzfs instances. :) |
| 01:06.17 | JeffM | what do you mean "monitor IPs"? |
| 01:06.25 | JeffM | you mean like see the IPs of players? |
| 01:06.29 | jmsthing | u saw my IP |
| 01:06.31 | spldart | just got back |
| 01:06.36 | JeffM | that's an IRC thing |
| 01:06.38 | JeffM | not a game thing |
| 01:06.43 | JeffM | in game you can't see players IPs |
| 01:06.49 | jmsthing | grrr,... i know that! |
| 01:07.09 | jmsthing | but i am current unable to see your IP but u saw mine |
| 01:07.12 | JeffM | our web IRC that you are using, sets your username to be your IP |
| 01:07.14 | jmsthing | currently* |
| 01:07.16 | JeffM | yes, that is true |
| 01:07.23 | JeffM | because I don't use the web IRC that you are using |
| 01:07.28 | JeffM | if I did, you would be able to |
| 01:07.34 | JeffM | and I didn't have a cloack |
| 01:08.04 | jmsthing | hm... let me try something |
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| 01:08.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 01:08.38 | *** join/#bzflag jmsthing67 (n=4b5b484e@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:08.52 | JeffM | joining again dosn't change anything |
| 01:09.04 | jmsthing | i wanted to see myself join |
| 01:09.13 | jmsthing | see what the server spits out |
| 01:10.01 | spldart | your own server? |
| 01:10.07 | jmsthing | and i see it displays my ip |
| 01:10.08 | JeffM | the IRC server |
| 01:10.11 | JeffM | it does |
| 01:10.14 | spldart | oh |
| 01:10.15 | JeffM | IP or hostmask |
| 01:10.22 | JeffM | if you don't have a cloak |
| 01:10.33 | jmsthing | i could change my ip and fool you |
| 01:10.40 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 01:10.45 | JeffM | why are you so concerned? |
| 01:11.02 | spldart | o_O @ jms* |
| 01:11.18 | spldart | Lets stay bzflag specific |
| 01:13.03 | jmsthing | so say i got my server ports set up what command would i put in to create my server? |
| 01:13.15 | JeffM | have you read the threads on it? |
| 01:13.20 | JeffM | it's more then just a simple "command" |
| 01:13.24 | jmsthing | threads on what forum? |
| 01:13.29 | JeffM | setting up a server is not trivial |
| 01:13.32 | JeffM | the bzflag foum |
| 01:13.39 | JeffM | on the site you are using for IRC |
| 01:13.47 | spldart | and your in windows right.. not a preferable OS to run a server from as well |
| 01:13.53 | jmsthing | i linked to this site |
| 01:14.00 | JeffM | from where? |
| 01:14.04 | jmsthing | ask |
| 01:14.23 | JeffM | and you've never been to our bzflag main site ever before? |
| 01:14.34 | jmsthing | omg of course i ahve |
| 01:14.39 | jmsthing | have8 |
| 01:14.42 | jmsthing | have* |
| 01:14.42 | spldart | heh |
| 01:14.46 | JeffM | then you should see the link to the fourms there ;) |
| 01:15.03 | spldart | I assume you've played for a few months and have read around on the forums? |
| 01:15.03 | jmsthing | yes but i didnt find a thread specific to servers |
| 01:15.11 | jmsthing | no |
| 01:15.31 | jmsthing | i dont read around i dont even look at the forums much |
| 01:15.36 | spldart | Well familiarize yourself to the environment first :-D |
| 01:15.37 | JeffM | you didn't see the thread in "Help: Server Setup and Administration" called "How to Run a public server" |
| 01:15.46 | JeffM | that is at the top? |
| 01:15.54 | spldart | As jeff said it's not trivial |
| 01:16.08 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 01:16.42 | jmsthing67 | no need to link i found it |
| 01:16.57 | JeffM | well you obviously know better then me |
| 01:16.59 | JeffM | good luck |
| 01:17.12 | spldart | If you are windows.. Are you confortable with windows command line? IE "command prompt" |
| 01:17.18 | jmsthing67 | no need for sarcasm |
| 01:17.26 | jmsthing67 | yes i can use a command prompt |
| 01:17.41 | spldart | use = 0 confortable = 1 |
| 01:24.31 | jmsthing | ok, problem |
| 01:24.46 | jmsthing | it says it cannot find the specified pathway |
| 01:25.00 | JeffM | what pathway are you using? |
| 01:26.08 | jmsthing | wait do i need to download the server package? |
| 01:26.13 | JeffM | nope |
| 01:26.23 | JeffM | on windows it's a regular install option |
| 01:26.29 | JeffM | it'll put it wherever you installed the game |
| 01:26.42 | JeffM | so that's the path you use, where you instealled it |
| 01:26.58 | jmsthing | so c:/programsfile/bzflag.... or something to that effect? |
| 01:27.10 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:27.15 | JeffM | it has to be correct for your install |
| 01:27.19 | jmsthing | i have no idea what pathway i used -.- |
| 01:27.56 | JeffM | this is why we asked how good you were with using your computer and the terminal |
| 01:28.02 | JeffM | it's all done via the command line |
| 01:28.11 | jmsthing | i understand that |
| 01:28.39 | jmsthing | i can handle simple server commands but i have no idea how to find the right pathway |
| 01:29.05 | JeffM | you don't know the path to where you installed the game? |
| 01:29.23 | jmsthing | no im gonna look tho |
| 01:29.46 | JeffM | honestly, if something as simple as that gets you, hosting may not be for you |
| 01:29.52 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 01:32.24 | jmsthing | ok well i guess that wasnt the right path either |
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| 01:32.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
| 01:32.38 | JeffM | what path are you trying? |
| 01:32.48 | jmsthing | i dont disclose personal information suchas my age on the internet sorry |
| 01:32.49 | JeffM | you also have to put paths with spaces in quotes on windows |
| 01:32.59 | JeffM | ahh, so you are between 12 and 14 |
| 01:33.01 | JeffM | makes sense |
| 01:33.09 | jmsthing | no i am not |
| 01:33.13 | JeffM | 15? |
| 01:33.22 | JeffM | it's gotta be something down there |
| 01:33.24 | jmsthing | 16 |
| 01:33.25 | nn64 | JeffM, I am finally ready to release the next version of my editor. Can you compile it for windows please. :) |
| 01:33.36 | JeffM | nn64, did you make the fixes? |
| 01:33.38 | jmsthing | would u like my id number as well as my age? |
| 01:33.47 | jmsthing | maybe my SSN? |
| 01:33.52 | JeffM | jmsthing, nope, just helps me understand your responces |
| 01:33.53 | jmsthing | and my address? |
| 01:34.04 | JeffM | paranoid much? |
| 01:34.10 | jmsthing | what has age got to do with it anyway? |
| 01:34.22 | JeffM | matuity and general level of assumed experience. |
| 01:34.29 | jmsthing | and now you are a psychologist |
| 01:34.31 | JeffM | helps me guess what you may or may not know |
| 01:34.38 | JeffM | you don't know me. maybe I am |
| 01:34.41 | jmsthing | don't make behavioral assumptions based on age please |
| 01:34.53 | JeffM | I'll do what I please ;) |
| 01:35.08 | JeffM | I've been helping kids like you set up servers for a while, so it's a little appeart ;) |
| 01:35.11 | JeffM | nothing wrong with it tho |
| 01:35.23 | JeffM | so what path are you using? |
| 01:35.30 | jmsthing | well I dislike being judged by my age |
| 01:35.33 | nn64 | Yes I fixed it for windows if I missed anything this time please let me know so I can fix it. :) |
| 01:35.38 | jmsthing | anyway 1 sec |
| 01:35.41 | JeffM | jmsthing, never said I judged you |
| 01:35.53 | jmsthing | yes |
| 01:35.54 | JeffM | nn64, send me the code and I'll put it in svn |
| 01:36.07 | JeffM | nn64, then you can just patch from that |
| 01:36.19 | jmsthing | behavioral assumptions you made predetermined assumptions based on my age |
| 01:36.34 | nn64 | http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit-src-0.4.tbz2 |
| 01:36.40 | JeffM | jmsthing, I used it as input, not as my sole basis |
| 01:36.50 | jmsthing | age aside I don't know how to cite a pathway correctly |
| 01:36.52 | JeffM | but let us move on |
| 01:37.21 | JeffM | jmsthing, cd "C:\Program Files\BZFlag 2.0.10\" or somethinglike that |
| 01:37.23 | JeffM | where ever yours is |
| 01:37.31 | JeffM | where is the bzfs.exe file? |
| 01:37.32 | jmsthing | i tried the default |
| 01:37.44 | JeffM | what is listed was for 2.0.0 |
| 01:37.48 | jmsthing | i cant find the .exe file |
| 01:37.49 | JeffM | what version are you using? |
| 01:37.57 | jmsthing | version of bz? |
| 01:37.59 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:38.07 | jmsthing | 2.0.10 |
| 01:38.15 | JeffM | then that will be the numbers in the path |
| 01:38.27 | jmsthing | oh wow |
| 01:38.28 | JeffM | is there a file in that folder called "bzfs" |
| 01:38.41 | jmsthing | hold on |
| 01:40.14 | jmsthing | it says my syntax is incorrect |
| 01:40.24 | blast007 | fix the syntax then |
| 01:40.27 | JeffM | what exactly are you typing? |
| 01:40.54 | jmsthing | C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10 |
| 01:40.57 | JeffM | cd |
| 01:41.01 | jmsthing | i did |
| 01:41.07 | JeffM | put CD then a " |
| 01:41.18 | JeffM | cd "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10" |
| 01:41.19 | jmsthing | end qoutes too? |
| 01:41.21 | jmsthing | ok |
| 01:41.22 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:41.53 | jmsthing | ok says thats incorrect too |
| 01:42.03 | JeffM | what version of windows is it? |
| 01:42.13 | jmsthing | XP SP2 |
| 01:42.24 | JeffM | try it with out the quotes |
| 01:42.45 | jmsthing | still didnt work |
| 01:42.57 | JeffM | where are you typing this? |
| 01:43.06 | jmsthing | the command prompt |
| 01:43.27 | JeffM | so just cd C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10 |
| 01:43.35 | JeffM | are you a limited user on the machine? |
| 01:43.40 | jmsthing | no admin |
| 01:43.43 | jmsthing | 1 sec |
| 01:43.54 | jmsthing | im in! |
| 01:43.58 | jmsthing | got it |
| 01:44.04 | JeffM | what was wrong? |
| 01:44.19 | JeffM | nn64, 95 errors to fix |
| 01:44.22 | jmsthing | i had an " ' " in there by accidnet |
| 01:44.29 | jmsthing | accident* |
| 01:44.35 | jmsthing | brb |
| 01:44.42 | jmsthing | my dad needs me |
| 01:45.30 | jmsthing | back |
| 01:46.25 | jmsthing | so do i just copy the given code to get started? |
| 01:46.37 | JeffM | nn64, I have questions for you |
| 01:46.43 | JeffM | let me know when you are there |
| 01:46.57 | nn64 | jmsthing, before you get to even running bzfs there are sevral things you should know. Or have setup; 1. First your router must have either a direct static ip(s) either going to your computer or being nat'ed over by the router. The Secound thing you should note is that windows when in direct contact with the web like your proposing for setting up a server is susceptible to attacks ( Hackers ) and is not extremely stable for running servers on. That is personally |
| 01:46.58 | nn64 | why I prefer Linux for serving my host bzfmaps.net |
| 01:47.16 | JeffM | nn64, he can read the docs, let him |
| 01:47.19 | nn64 | JeffM, whats your question |
| 01:47.25 | JeffM | nn64 I have many |
| 01:47.32 | nn64 | ok shoot |
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| 01:47.38 | JeffM | how do you epxect to print an array of bool as a %d? |
| 01:47.46 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.54 | JeffM | tcolor is an array of 5 bools |
| 01:48.37 | JeffM | what was the intent, cus I can't compile that |
| 01:49.27 | nn64 | oh that was a recent change comment out the entire function print_obj as it is not neaded |
| 01:50.16 | spldart | bugQ doin good? |
| 01:50.19 | JeffM | next, do you know what sentenels are? |
| 01:50.34 | bugQ | brilliantly. |
| 01:50.37 | nn64 | no, what are they |
| 01:51.03 | spldart | excellent |
| 01:51.05 | JeffM | putting #ifndef _YOUR_HEADER_H_ #define _YOUR_HEADER_H_ #endif around all your headers |
| 01:51.14 | JeffM | so that when you include them more then once you don't get duplicates |
| 01:51.53 | nn64 | Oh that is what thoes defines are called |
| 01:51.56 | nn64 | ok |
| 01:52.09 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:52.16 | JeffM | you need them |
| 01:52.22 | JeffM | I'm adding them but you need to keep them |
| 01:52.39 | nn64 | ok |
| 01:53.18 | JeffM | down to 73 errors |
| 01:53.30 | JeffM | next, try that svn line I gave you |
| 01:53.35 | JeffM | in a new folder |
| 01:53.54 | nn64 | Wow MSVC is really picky :( |
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| 01:54.09 | JeffM | nn64, that woudl be the ansi standard |
| 01:54.20 | jmsthing | how do i run BZFlag as a window? |
| 01:54.27 | TD-Linux | bzflag -window |
| 01:54.28 | TD-Linux | ? |
| 01:54.33 | JeffM | jmsthing, bzflag -window -geomety 800x600 |
| 01:54.42 | jmsthing | is it an "F" key |
| 01:54.48 | nn64 | JeffM, can you re send that svn line its cindive lost in the back log |
| 01:54.48 | jmsthing | i mean with the client |
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| 01:55.28 | JeffM | nn svn checkout http://gtkbzedit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ gtkbzedit-read-only |
| 01:57.05 | Think_Differentl | it still doesn't build, for me at least |
| 01:57.13 | JeffM | is it the _strdup stuff? |
| 01:57.25 | Think_Differentl | yesh |
| 01:57.45 | JeffM | k |
| 01:59.20 | nn64 | JeffM, emerging subversion now |
| 01:59.40 | Think_Differentl | heh, gentoo |
| 01:59.52 | JeffM | that's not a default? |
| 01:59.54 | JeffM | wow |
| 01:59.56 | spldart | heh |
| 02:00.46 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, is anything default in gentoo? |
| 02:00.49 | spldart | subversion a default proggie? |
| 02:00.58 | Epyon | always |
| 02:01.00 | spldart | Not on Debian either. |
| 02:01.07 | spldart | You have to apt it |
| 02:01.08 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, Have you tryed my release http://bzfmaps.net/~nn/hostme/gtkbzedit-src-0.4.tbz2 ;;;; or were you using jeffm's svn? |
| 02:01.15 | Think_Differentl | I was using the SVN |
| 02:01.26 | Epyon | think a OS without svn is as bad as without a shell |
| 02:01.30 | nn64 | ah that would explane it |
| 02:01.34 | spldart | LOLz |
| 02:01.39 | Think_Differentl | sounds a bit like windows |
| 02:01.47 | spldart | I prefer a stripper OS and add what I want |
| 02:01.59 | JeffM | nn64, he was testing the svn for me |
| 02:02.20 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, All my machines run Gentoo |
| 02:02.21 | Epyon | Think_Differentl, windows without cygwin is like trying to write a program using a 0 and 1's :P |
| 02:02.24 | Think_Differentl | the problem is that gentoo requires compiling. It's really painful on a 400MHz Celeron. |
| 02:02.43 | nn64 | lol |
| 02:02.58 | JeffM | Think_Differentl, I changed the strdup stuff it shoudl be better |
| 02:03.08 | Think_Differentl | svn ups |
| 02:03.20 | CIA-32 | gtkbzedit: 03JeffM2501 * r11 10/trunk/src/ (callback.cpp save.cpp main.cpp): use strdup |
| 02:03.36 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, not really start it and leave it for a day and a half. ..... Unless that 400MHz is your main computer ? |
| 02:03.59 | Think_Differentl | nn64, you have to configure the kernel, and then you also have to compile all the packages. |
| 02:04.08 | Think_Differentl | it's more like 2 days to get a basic install. |
| 02:04.14 | Think_Differentl | debian takes about 30 minutes. |
| 02:04.34 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, thanks, it seems to work. there's even an open box and a bunch of other boxes. |
| 02:04.36 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, Thats what makes it so FUN !!! and you have a faster system in the end |
| 02:04.46 | JeffM | yeah that'd be it |
| 02:05.00 | nn64 | Think_Differentl, resize the boxes |
| 02:05.03 | spldart | I often do debian.. real fast.. then build a custom kernel specific to the rig and much newer off kernel.org |
| 02:06.01 | Think_Differentl | perhaps you should make the seperate boxes a toolbar? |
| 02:06.01 | nn64 | I added auto hiding and showing entry's depending on the object type |
| 02:06.06 | JeffM | yeah, nn64 you didn't change all the point constructors did you? |
| 02:06.20 | Think_Differentl | uh |
| 02:06.34 | Think_Differentl | it segfaults when I hit apply |
| 02:06.37 | Think_Differentl | I tried to create a box. |
| 02:06.42 | Think_Differentl | :E |
| 02:07.51 | JeffM | nn64, you have svn? |
| 02:07.54 | nn64 | JeffM, ???? I used the set according to your setup did I miss a file. |
| 02:08.00 | JeffM | you did |
| 02:08.11 | nn64 | which file |
| 02:08.16 | Think_Differentl | why is the title bzedit2? |
| 02:08.26 | JeffM | cus that's what he named it |
| 02:08.52 | Think_Differentl | ah, I see. It's named gtkbzedit in the source, though. |
| 02:09.09 | JeffM | why you need 3 different ways to define a string.. I'll never know |
| 02:09.35 | nn64 | oh lol that was the original name before i changed it... must have never changed the program lable |
| 02:11.17 | JeffM | how does this even compile? |
| 02:11.20 | spldart | meh.. :( I still can't build |
| 02:11.24 | spldart | oh heh |
| 02:11.24 | JeffM | you never included save.h in save.c |
| 02:11.35 | JeffM | and defined out_name AFTER you use it! |
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| 02:11.47 | Monobi | How do i enter windowed mode? |
| 02:11.58 | JeffM | F1 |
| 02:12.25 | Monobi | Danke |
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| 02:14.54 | JeffM | nn64, what's with the sleep calls? |
| 02:15.23 | blast007 | ze program, it is le tired |
| 02:16.33 | spldart | Pepe le peuw |
| 02:18.46 | bryjen | fires off a kill -9 so it may take a long nap |
| 02:19.28 | blast007 | JeffM: did you see my comments about the replay system in trunk? |
| 02:19.38 | JeffM | blast007, yes |
| 02:19.45 | blast007 | fun stuff |
| 02:19.54 | JeffM | yeah, don't look forward to it |
| 02:20.20 | blast007 | I don't quite understand why the rico stuff is bad |
| 02:20.36 | JeffM | does it set the rico state in the game options correctly |
| 02:20.36 | blast007 | but I'll probably look at it too |
| 02:20.42 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:20.47 | JeffM | it DOES? |
| 02:20.48 | JeffM | wow |
| 02:20.57 | blast007 | it would have to, since it works when you *play* on the map |
| 02:21.10 | blast007 | or do you mean for the replay header packing? |
| 02:21.14 | blast007 | I haven't checked that |
| 02:21.23 | JeffM | yeah when it replays |
| 02:21.34 | JeffM | but should be simple enough to set a break in the strat |
| 02:21.35 | blast007 | but it *does* use the worldSettings variable right from bzfs.cxx when it packs the header |
| 02:21.48 | blast007 | so it should be at least packing it right in the replay itself |
| 02:21.58 | blast007 | I'll just have to verify that |
| 02:23.12 | JeffM | rico isn't packed in |
| 02:23.15 | JeffM | so yeah |
| 02:25.21 | blast007 | I was looking at it earlier today |
| 02:25.32 | blast007 | made a short replay to test |
| 02:25.58 | blast007 | so maybe I'll come up with something ;) |
| 02:25.58 | blast007 | is there a better way to do replays? |
| 02:26.08 | blast007 | like, tie something into the new networking buffer stuff you coded? |
| 02:26.38 | blast007 | (well, I guess a better way to do replays is to just not tie it to protocol at all...) |
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| 02:27.22 | JeffM | best way would be to exteranlise it and do it all as server side players |
| 02:27.29 | JeffM | then it's a protocoll indenpendent |
| 02:27.31 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:27.38 | JeffM | cus I mean the server does KNOW how to pack data ;) |
| 02:27.45 | Epyon | What a night... |
| 02:27.52 | Epyon | opens another beer. |
| 02:28.12 | spldart | taps his beer glass with Epyon's |
| 02:28.30 | Epyon | Cheers spldart :) |
| 02:28.33 | spldart | :) |
| 02:28.49 | JeffM | nn64, ok, you there? |
| 02:29.05 | Epyon | JeffM, I raised my texturing skills recently, wanna me make a go on texturing the new tank model? |
| 02:29.19 | JeffM | Epyon, it was pulled for 3.0 |
| 02:29.20 | blast007 | Epyon: there is no new tank model |
| 02:29.23 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:29.37 | Epyon | JeffM, pulled for or pulled off? |
| 02:29.46 | JeffM | it will not be in 3.0 |
| 02:30.06 | Epyon | blast007, there surely is, or else I've been unwraping a platypus |
| 02:30.12 | Epyon | Oh darn |
| 02:30.31 | Epyon | I wait for custom tank models in 3.0 like for ages ... |
| 02:30.34 | blast007 | Epyon: it's not in SVN anymore |
| 02:30.45 | Epyon | Anything that can be done to help that? |
| 02:30.49 | blast007 | (well, it's there, but in the latest trunk) |
| 02:31.00 | Epyon | I still got some time before GSoC :P |
| 02:31.15 | nn64 | JeffM, no I was not here i'm here now though |
| 02:31.27 | JeffM | do you have svn setup? |
| 02:32.10 | JeffM | cus if I have to do this again, I ain't helping you any more. |
| 02:32.30 | nn64 | yes svn is up |
| 02:32.45 | JeffM | then do the get using that line |
| 02:33.00 | nn64 | and the line worked |
| 02:33.11 | JeffM | how long ago did you do that? |
| 02:33.18 | Think_Differentl | when you want to update, you can get it by using svn up |
| 02:33.23 | CIA-32 | gtkbzedit: 03JeffM2501 * r12 10/trunk/ (13 files in 2 dirs): make the sucker build |
| 02:33.30 | JeffM | yeah just type svn up in the dir it made |
| 02:33.36 | JeffM | then build it with the build.sh |
| 02:34.26 | nn64 | Skipped 'http://gtkbzedit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk' |
| 02:34.50 | JeffM | well do a build, you probalby wer current |
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| 02:36.51 | nn64 | ok well it worked |
| 02:36.54 | JeffM | good |
| 02:36.57 | JeffM | now |
| 02:37.02 | JeffM | here is the hard part |
| 02:37.04 | JeffM | I need you |
| 02:37.11 | JeffM | to use THAT code from now on |
| 02:37.46 | Think_Differentl | svn is easy ;) |
| 02:37.50 | JeffM | and then when you want to do another build, do a svn diff > patch |
| 02:38.05 | JeffM | that will give me something I can apply and not loose changes. |
| 02:38.27 | nn64 | ok |
| 02:38.38 | JeffM | are you ok with that? |
| 02:38.53 | nn64 | yes thats cool |
| 02:38.59 | JeffM | the files are .cpp |
| 02:39.00 | JeffM | not .c |
| 02:39.06 | JeffM | new files you make have to be .cpp |
| 02:39.10 | JeffM | they don't have to use classes |
| 02:39.15 | JeffM | or anything |
| 02:39.20 | JeffM | they can be done C style |
| 02:39.31 | JeffM | cus I don't want to do this again |
| 02:41.13 | nn64 | ok I got that JeffM :) |
| 02:41.28 | JeffM | the binary is here, http://www.opencombat.net/code/bz/gtkbzedit/ |
| 02:42.01 | nn64 | Now its really my bed time night all |
| 02:42.08 | JeffM | have fun |
| 02:42.24 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.33 | Think_Differentl | heh |
| 02:42.38 | JeffM | that's what kids have to do |
| 02:42.41 | Epyon | reel coderz dnt sleep :P |
| 02:42.55 | JeffM | they do when there mom yells at them |
| 02:43.13 | Epyon | They just get unconscious from the overusage of b33r :P |
| 02:43.14 | spldart | heh |
| 02:43.25 | spldart | :-x |
| 02:43.36 | Think_Differentl | I wake up in the morning thinking "ugh, I should have slept more." but right now I'm thinking of anything but sleep. |
| 02:43.38 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17068 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (18 files in 3 dirs): start getting the deaths setup to be like object oriented. |
| 02:44.19 | Epyon | thinks JeffM just went unconscious from the overusage of b33r :P |
| 02:45.12 | spldart | meh |
| 02:45.34 | spldart | What is T_Dl thinking of rather than sleep? |
| 02:45.43 | blast007 | being awake |
| 02:45.50 | spldart | heh |
| 02:45.56 | Think_Differentl | I'm thinking about how I should write this paper :/ |
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| 02:45.57 | Epyon | hopes Think_Differentl has a sixpack |
| 02:45.58 | spldart | hits his crack pipe |
| 02:46.02 | spldart | hehe3 |
| 02:46.12 | spldart | oh.. |
| 02:46.16 | spldart | work stuff I assume |
| 02:46.33 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: I'd recommend a pen |
| 02:46.36 | Think_Differentl | I got sidetracked. |
| 02:46.52 | Think_Differentl | blast007, that always helps. i don't like to write in blood. |
| 02:47.02 | spldart | Work has been insane here.. Guy quit for 1 week then came back.. messed up everything |
| 02:47.04 | Think_Differentl | although I'm sure my english teacher would love that. |
| 02:47.12 | blast007 | writing in blood is best for writing curses though |
| 02:47.17 | blast007 | or for summoning stuff |
| 02:47.25 | Epyon | ncurses? :P |
| 02:47.38 | blast007 | pdcurses! |
| 02:47.43 | spldart | heh.. My first year college english teacher... was english 8-0 |
| 02:47.53 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:47.54 | Think_Differentl | wee |
| 02:47.59 | Think_Differentl | watches the dollar fall |
| 02:48.17 | spldart | Falls faster than it should in an atmosphere isn't it |
| 02:48.33 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: drop a $5 off the 2nd floor balcony now! now do a $100! kthxbi |
| 02:48.56 | Think_Differentl | yeah. it's now 1.59 euros and 2.11 zloty :/ |
| 02:49.18 | Think_Differentl | er, 1.59 dollars to the euro :P |
| 02:49.18 | blast007 | what in comparison to canada? |
| 02:49.27 | spldart | is trying reoganize his budget to weather a bad crash/depression. |
| 02:49.29 | Think_Differentl | 1.005, says google |
| 02:49.40 | Epyon | Think_Differentl, errr you're polish? O.o |
| 02:50.00 | Think_Differentl | Epyon, No, but I go there every so often. |
| 02:50.08 | Epyon | Aaah, almost :P |
| 02:50.09 | Think_Differentl | last time I went the zloty was 3.2 |
| 02:50.15 | Think_Differentl | that was last summer. |
| 02:50.29 | Epyon | Yeah, the zloty is rising at surprisingly fast rate |
| 02:50.43 | Epyon | GSoC reward got pretty devaluated because of that :/ |
| 02:50.47 | Think_Differentl | heh |
| 02:50.49 | spldart | Hehe.. last time I was in Japan, a long long time ago, 1 us dollar = 249 yen |
| 02:50.59 | spldart | and seven hong kong dollar |
| 02:51.09 | Think_Differentl | now it's 102.77, says google. |
| 02:51.09 | Epyon | spldart, now it's around 200 yen afaik |
| 02:51.17 | Epyon | err I meant 100 |
| 02:51.22 | spldart | yeah |
| 02:51.32 | spldart | not worth the trip.. like it used to be |
| 02:51.55 | Think_Differentl | when I went to europe last time, the euro was about 1.3 or 1.2 dollars. |
| 02:52.04 | Epyon | Well, there's a 90% chance that next GSoC I'll be living in Japan :P |
| 02:52.22 | spldart | And earning in japan? |
| 02:52.31 | Epyon | Yeah |
| 02:52.36 | Think_Differentl | heh |
| 02:52.37 | spldart | might be better off |
| 02:52.40 | Think_Differentl | I'd love to go to Japan |
| 02:52.42 | spldart | I'm expect a bad crash here |
| 02:52.47 | spldart | Japan is great :) |
| 02:52.51 | Epyon | True :> |
| 02:53.12 | spldart | Housing, dollar, interest... it's all goin to hell |
| 02:53.34 | Think_Differentl | should've invested in gold a few years ago |
| 02:53.38 | spldart | I've trimmed my budget almost 20 % so far preparing for it |
| 02:53.47 | Think_Differentl | $30 to an ounce. now it's what, like 800? |
| 02:54.27 | spldart | Even invested in a house full of flouresence lighting and my first solar panel :) |
| 02:55.21 | spldart | can't spell |
| 02:56.10 | Epyon | How many had you already spldart :P? |
| 02:56.24 | spldart | How many what? |
| 02:57.04 | spldart | Are you being punny? |
| 02:57.15 | Epyon | Nah, just playfull |
| 02:57.18 | spldart | heh |
| 02:57.20 | spldart | :) |
| 02:57.52 | Epyon | I'm going through some difficult thoughts, and I need to drown them before sleep xP |
| 02:57.54 | spldart | has to appeal the tax value appraisal on his house.. it's killing me |
| 02:58.19 | spldart | code thoughts are personal thoughts? |
| 02:58.25 | Epyon | personal |
| 02:58.33 | spldart | oh :-x |
| 02:58.45 | Epyon | I rarely code under "influence" unless I'm behind schedule |
| 02:58.51 | spldart | ah |
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| 03:05.20 | JeffM | Constitution, man do we have some work ahead of us :) |
| 03:05.47 | Epyon | I'm almost envious of Constitution :P |
| 03:05.54 | Epyon | Well, *almost* |
| 03:06.11 | JeffM | once I get this shot branch good, we'll be in a lot better shape |
| 03:10.00 | JeffM | that's going to be the trick, getting that done |
| 03:10.04 | JeffM | so much has to change |
| 03:10.13 | JeffM | so much is just wrong |
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| 03:15.34 | spldart | passes out |
| 03:16.00 | JeffM | blast007, you know what it may be |
| 03:16.04 | JeffM | for the replay |
| 03:16.13 | JeffM | what if it's using the recorded timestamp |
| 03:16.17 | JeffM | not the current one |
| 03:17.42 | JeffM | it needs to not store the actual timestamp, but the time since the recording startted |
| 03:18.14 | JeffM | then when it sends that out again, it should go and rebuild a timestamp using the current playback time start |
| 03:21.24 | Lukstr | waves |
| 03:21.39 | JeffM | word up |
| 03:21.53 | Lukstr | not too much |
| 03:23.32 | JeffM | mmm belly full |
| 03:23.38 | Lukstr | me tooo |
| 03:23.39 | Lukstr | pizza. |
| 03:23.40 | JeffM | time to go home and curse at shots some more |
| 03:23.45 | JeffM | rawfish |
| 03:23.52 | Lukstr | gross |
| 03:23.58 | JeffM | never :) |
| 03:28.09 | TheRedBaron | shots?!? :) |
| 03:28.16 | TheRedBaron | brings out his glass |
| 03:39.25 | Lukstr | pours TheRedBaron a shot |
| 03:39.59 | TheRedBaron | ~lukstr++ |
| 03:40.07 | TheRedBaron | gin? |
| 03:40.59 | Lukstr | Bombay Sapphire |
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| 03:42.53 | TheRedBaron | ~lukstr++ |
| 03:43.57 | Lukstr | heh |
| 03:44.04 | Lukstr | I brought my bar supplies home from uni |
| 03:49.36 | Constitution | JeffM: yep, should be fun |
| 03:49.42 | Constitution | goes and diffs the trees |
| 03:50.00 | JeffM | the best part is 3.0 wont' work untill some of it gets merged back |
| 03:50.05 | JeffM | cus like death is just kinda wrong |
| 03:50.18 | JeffM | geno kills are done twice :) |
| 03:50.26 | Constitution | COOL! |
| 03:51.24 | JeffM | tho I get fun names now like, void handleDeathBySquish ( int playerID, bool human, int squiser ); |
| 03:51.41 | JeffM | and |
| 03:51.41 | JeffM | void handleDeathBySmite ( int playerID, bool human ); |
| 03:52.26 | Constitution | so we care whether it's a bot or human that dies? |
| 03:52.39 | JeffM | when I'm done, I don't think I will |
| 03:52.48 | JeffM | and that will go away |
| 03:53.15 | JeffM | I'm just trying to break up playerKilled and gotBlowedUp right now |
| 03:53.29 | JeffM | there are like 3 or 4 ways that we kill things |
| 03:53.53 | JeffM | yet we have this nice class tree for the players that we blindly ignore |
| 03:54.05 | JeffM | so now it's all just player->gotShot(shotID); |
| 03:54.10 | JeffM | and player->died(); |
| 03:54.25 | Constitution | cool |
| 03:54.38 | JeffM | it's just freaking invasive as heck |
| 03:54.57 | JeffM | MsgKilled went down to like 6 bytes now |
| 03:55.10 | JeffM | victim, reason, and id |
| 04:42.43 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17069 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzflag/ (9 files): move more of the death stuff to the player objects. |
| 04:47.47 | Lukstr | JeffM: That death stuff sounds nice :) |
| 04:47.54 | Lukstr | It took me a while to figure out how all that worked |
| 04:48.05 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17070 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/MSVC/VC8/bzflag.vcproj: move player headers to there own section |
| 04:48.07 | JeffM | it's horible the way it is |
| 04:48.14 | Lukstr | too many ambiguous functions |
| 04:48.26 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:48.29 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17071 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzflag/RobotPlayer.cxx: robots can die too you know |
| 04:48.46 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17072 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (4 files in 2 dirs): move self destruct to the server. |
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| 04:51.09 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17073 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: move self destruct to the server. |
| 04:53.09 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17074 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: move self destruct to the server. |
| 05:15.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17075 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:15.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: instead of just dying when we get hit, send off the hit message and wait. |
| 05:15.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: have the server disregard MsgKilled items, and just do all it's death stuff inside MsgHit. |
| 05:15.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: move shield to the server. |
| 05:15.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: don't kill people we think we have run over, let the server do that. |
| 05:17.26 | Constitution | so under the new system, players will not be able to lock their GMs once they've dropped the flag? |
| 05:17.28 | Lukstr | JeffM2501++ |
| 05:17.45 | JeffM | Constitution: that is the plan |
| 05:18.08 | JeffM | Lukstr: save the ++ for when it actualy compiles :) |
| 05:18.24 | Constitution | JeffM: why is that? |
| 05:18.35 | JeffM | Constitution: seems logical |
| 05:18.36 | Lukstr | JeffM: oh, fine |
| 05:18.41 | JeffM | and makes the clients very dumb |
| 05:18.42 | Lukstr | JeffM2501-- |
| 05:18.43 | Lukstr | :P |
| 05:18.53 | Constitution | Lukstr: preface with ~ |
| 05:18.58 | Lukstr | really? |
| 05:19.06 | JeffM | yeah or the bot dosnt' get it |
| 05:19.11 | Lukstr | ah! |
| 05:19.14 | Lukstr | slaps self |
| 05:19.16 | Lukstr | well then |
| 05:19.18 | Lukstr | zero harm done |
| 05:19.52 | Constitution | JeffM: how is that logical? won't the server be able to tell when GMs from a player requesting a lock are still mid-flight? |
| 05:20.08 | Constitution | no need for the client to be dumb if the server enforces it correctly, right? |
| 05:20.11 | JeffM | Constitution: logical in that with out the GM flag, right clicking does not lock |
| 05:20.19 | Constitution | hm |
| 05:20.22 | JeffM | so that means that the tank does not have the equipment to lock |
| 05:20.32 | JeffM | when you get the flag you can then generate GMs and lock |
| 05:20.37 | JeffM | so the flag must have the locking stuff |
| 05:20.47 | JeffM | when you don't have the flag, you loose what you got when you got the flag |
| 05:20.59 | JeffM | and yeah the server can tell them what to do however it wants |
| 05:21.09 | JeffM | the logic is from a gameplay standpoint |
| 05:21.18 | JeffM | we'll have to see how it plays |
| 05:21.26 | JeffM | may have to change it to be while any GMs are live |
| 05:21.37 | JeffM | then we need a 'can lock' message to send to lockable clients |
| 05:22.01 | Constitution | yeah... a small sacrifice of realism can make gameplay a little more consistent |
| 05:22.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:22.15 | JeffM | we'll see' |
| 05:22.19 | JeffM | it's a small part |
| 05:22.26 | Constitution | or just have them send the lock message, and let the server tell them whether they can lock or not |
| 05:22.34 | JeffM | more lag to that |
| 05:22.49 | JeffM | all it REALY changes is, make sure that last GM is locked :) |
| 05:22.58 | JeffM | before you fire it |
| 05:23.13 | JeffM | that may be a good detrement to add to the flag |
| 05:23.14 | ruskie | stupid |
| 05:23.18 | Constitution | which is probably not something that players are going to keep in mind in the midst of a GM dogfight :P |
| 05:23.19 | JeffM | very subtle |
| 05:23.21 | JeffM | but we'll see |
| 05:23.29 | Constitution | yeah |
| 05:23.42 | JeffM | Constitution: it only affects shot limited servers |
| 05:23.44 | JeffM | but we'll see |
| 05:23.54 | JeffM | like I said I have a plan if we need to do it the other way |
| 05:24.01 | Constitution | ok |
| 05:24.19 | JeffM | the current write up is trying to make the flag self consistent |
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| 05:27.57 | JeffM | how do I get a physics driver on the server? |
| 05:30.44 | JeffM | hey brlcad dosn't one of the spawn policy's use drivers? |
| 05:32.22 | blast007 | spawns in trunk are a bit broken |
| 05:32.35 | JeffM | yeah but I just need to know how to get a driver :) |
| 05:32.36 | JeffM | and I foudn it |
| 05:32.55 | blast007 | I've been spawning over water inside the fake ground on Louman's Metropolis ;) |
| 05:35.10 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17076 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (4 files in 3 dirs): have physics drivers that kill just send a message to the server then have the server kill them if it wants to. |
| 05:36.59 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17077 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: have physics drivers that kill just send a message to the server then have the server kill them if it wants to. |
| 05:41.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17078 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 05:41.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: I hate to see ya go buddy, but realy, it's not your job anymore. |
| 05:41.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: remove gotBlowedUp(); |
| 05:41.33 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: :( |
| 05:41.46 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 05:41.57 | JeffM | one of the better named methods |
| 05:42.45 | KingofCamelot | So I have some conceptual questions about the code design for my project if anyone wants to provide some input. :) |
| 05:43.02 | KingofCamelot | Not really questions actually, just ideas, heh |
| 05:44.27 | pacman87 | i think global auth is down, anyone care to verify/fix? |
| 05:44.53 | blast007 | pacman87: check again |
| 05:45.06 | blast007 | the list is working for me, so I assume auth is too |
| 05:45.07 | Constitution | pacman87: the magic button is... |
| 05:45.09 | pacman87 | ah, hiccup then |
| 05:45.10 | Constitution | ~bigredbutton |
| 05:45.13 | Constitution | er |
| 05:45.25 | blast007 | probably just ibot being slow :P |
| 05:45.27 | pacman87 | ignore me then |
| 05:45.31 | pacman87 | thanks anyway |
| 05:47.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17079 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/bzflag/ (Player.cxx Player.h ShotList.cxx ShotList.h playing.cxx): local endshots are dumb, trust the endshot from the server, it will know best ( we hope ) |
| 05:48.30 | KingofCamelot | In the current ServerMenu code the ServerList is an object, and I was thinking I would expand upon that, making a ServerInfo object, and a FilterOptions object. Each object would then have a draw method to handle drawing it's information. Then ServerMenu would have a list of all elements on the page and would let them handle themselves. This way it will be easy to add new elements in the future. |
| 05:48.37 | KingofCamelot | Good idea, bad idea? |
| 06:02.26 | KingofCamelot | I'll take the lack of response to mean bad ide? :P |
| 06:02.36 | KingofCamelot | *idea |
| 06:02.47 | JeffM | each item as an object is fine |
| 06:02.52 | JeffM | not sure how the filter as an object works |
| 06:03.05 | JeffM | I'd think the filter would be generic enough to work with the list object |
| 06:03.18 | JeffM | and that woudl just change how the items objects were retturned and drawn |
| 06:03.46 | JeffM | but when it comes down to it, there is only one type of serverList item |
| 06:03.54 | JeffM | as they are all drawn the same way |
| 06:04.23 | JeffM | so it being a class dosn't realy buy it much, I mean ether the draw method is in the list, or in the item. |
| 06:04.35 | JeffM | it's going to work on the same basic data, and not realy be derived ever |
| 06:04.57 | Flash | can anyone explain why there is a "start server" option on the client startup menu? |
| 06:05.00 | JeffM | the container of objects has lots of advantages when the objects can differ in implementaiton |
| 06:05.09 | JeffM | Flash: so you can start a server |
| 06:05.27 | Flash | clearly (as today has shown) it's more complicated than that to start a server |
| 06:05.38 | JeffM | Flash: that's for lan games |
| 06:05.41 | JeffM | it's a simple thing |
| 06:05.43 | JeffM | non public |
| 06:05.47 | JeffM | been in there for ages |
| 06:05.53 | JeffM | like pre-open source |
| 06:06.01 | JeffM | bzflag started as a lan game |
| 06:07.21 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, good points. I'm realzing that mainly I just want to move the drawing of the ServerList into a method on it, cause right now it's all handled in the ServerMenu code, which makes for a lot of messy code |
| 06:07.43 | JeffM | KingofCamelot: yes and no |
| 06:07.55 | JeffM | keeping drawing seperated from logic is good |
| 06:08.16 | JeffM | that way if we ever want another interface to the list server, (like say in bzadmin) we can just hook drawing code into it |
| 06:08.41 | JeffM | if you make your list class have a clean enough api ( like with a clean iterator) then the drawing code dosn't become soo bad |
| 06:09.12 | JeffM | or perhaps have a derived class that has just a draw method |
| 06:09.18 | JeffM | then the client uses that |
| 06:09.30 | KingofCamelot | Well right now all the drawing code is jammed into the updateStatus and resize methods of ServerMenu |
| 06:09.38 | JeffM | but having a clean lister/sorter that is basicly graphics independent would be awesome |
| 06:09.59 | JeffM | sure you can clean up the drawing code, but I'd not mix it with the actual data storage |
| 06:10.25 | JeffM | I'd do a document/view type of methodology |
| 06:10.29 | KingofCamelot | But perhaps a derived class with just a draw method as you mentioned? |
| 06:10.34 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 06:10.56 | JeffM | tho with the current gui system I don't think you can realy move much of it around |
| 06:11.07 | KingofCamelot | Document/view type of methodolgy? |
| 06:11.12 | JeffM | you can probalby clean it up by making smore more objects for the gui |
| 06:11.21 | JeffM | doc/view archetecture |
| 06:11.26 | JeffM | one class that represents your data |
| 06:11.34 | JeffM | and has all the operaitons you can do on that data |
| 06:11.46 | JeffM | then another class that can draw or view that data |
| 06:11.55 | KingofCamelot | Ah, ok |
| 06:12.24 | JeffM | I think your best method would be to have a new hudgui controll that has sub items |
| 06:12.29 | JeffM | then that new controll takes your class |
| 06:12.42 | KingofCamelot | So like a HUDServerList class which would be responsible for drawing the server list, and it would get it's data from a ServerList object? |
| 06:12.45 | JeffM | then you can have it get the sorted data out of the class and draw it in a nice clean way |
| 06:12.50 | JeffM | yes |
| 06:13.02 | JeffM | then the ServerList can exist sperate from the drawing |
| 06:13.11 | JeffM | and we can change drawing seperately from ServerList |
| 06:13.11 | KingofCamelot | Yea, that definitely sounds good |
| 06:14.54 | KingofCamelot | So what I'm thinking is that ideally the ServerMenu would have some kind of list with instances of all the different drawable elements, HUDServerList, etc, and their positions on the screen. That way it's a) easy to reposition stuf, and b) easy to add/remove elements |
| 06:15.23 | JeffM | you can have sub controlls now |
| 06:15.28 | JeffM | child elements basicly |
| 06:15.39 | JeffM | DTRemenak implemented a lot of that |
| 06:16.35 | KingofCamelot | Ok, so sounds like something I'll want to look into |
| 06:20.06 | KingofCamelot | I'll try to snag DTRemenak in the next few days and see if he can give me a quick crash course :) |
| 06:23.23 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17080 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): don't need players for shot ends anymore. |
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| 06:37.25 | Manu | JeffM: so we have to remove all the endShot detection, right? :) |
| 06:37.46 | JeffM | Manu: basicly yeah |
| 06:38.08 | JeffM | I have my server just ignoring the message |
| 06:38.10 | Manu | JeffM: if your new code works ;) |
| 06:38.17 | JeffM | Manu: when ;) |
| 06:38.30 | Manu | :) |
| 06:38.45 | JeffM | but that's why it's in a branch |
| 06:47.28 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17081 10/branches/v2_99_shot_branch/ (10 files in 3 dirs): more shot end cleanups |
| 07:13.59 | brlcad | knows not of spawn policy that use drivers |
| 07:20.07 | Flash | KingofCamelot: you want a crash course? I can crash |
| 07:22.15 | KingofCamelot | Flash: Haha :P |
| 07:29.00 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, do you know if HUDuiList is for menu stuff? |
| 07:29.23 | KingofCamelot | I'm guessing it is, and it looks like something I'd want HUDServerList to extend |
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| 09:49.48 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r937 10/trunk/src/FTOutlineGlyph.cpp: |
| 09:49.48 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * In outline mode, do not render the original outline if an outset value |
| 09:49.48 | CIA-32 | FTGL: was specified: only render the modified one. Patch by Eric Beets. |
| 09:50.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r938 10/trunk/src/FTVectoriser.cpp: |
| 09:50.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Assume unknown operating systems share the GLUTesselatorFunction prototype |
| 09:50.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: with other standard Linux/Unix systems. It's a pretty safe bet and spares |
| 09:50.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: us from patching the code each time a new system such as GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 09:50.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: appears. |
| 09:51.19 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r939 10/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:51.19 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Check for <GL/glut.h> and <GLUT/glut.h> during the configure step instead |
| 09:51.19 | CIA-32 | FTGL: of guessing their location at build time. |
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| 12:09.12 | Bias_Beezee | hi |
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| 12:13.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r940 10/trunk/demo/FTGLDemo.cpp: |
| 12:13.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Cosmetic changes to FTGLDemo: bigger font, layout-compliant text, filtered |
| 12:13.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: textures. |
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| 12:40.18 | kierra | chestal ping |
| 12:43.01 | brlcad | hola hermosa |
| 12:43.39 | kierra | :) |
| 12:43.53 | kierra | tu si que sabes como hablar con una mujer |
| 12:44.49 | brlcad | :) |
| 12:45.03 | brlcad | y como estás hoy? |
| 12:45.59 | kierra | estoy bien, asi asi |
| 12:51.23 | Manu | smile |
| 12:51.39 | kierra | buenos dias Manu :) |
| 12:51.48 | Manu | buenos dÃÂas hermosa ;) |
| 12:52.04 | kierra | blushes |
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| 13:55.19 | kierra | brlcad : me siento mal en molestarte de nuevo...pero al leer el MOTD acerca del 1v1 tourney....no es CTF. Solo 1vs1 tourney :) |
| 13:55.33 | brlcad | aha, okay |
| 13:55.42 | brlcad | por eso te pregunté :) |
| 13:55.57 | kierra | no me di cuenta en el momento |
| 13:56.06 | kierra | lo siento |
| 13:56.18 | brlcad | it of course *should* be CTF .. *ahem* :) |
| 13:56.21 | kierra | ojala no es dificil a corregir |
| 13:56.34 | brlcad | ya hecho |
| 13:56.41 | kierra | :* |
| 13:57.45 | kierra | mil gracias |
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| 15:56.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r941 10/trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs): |
| 15:56.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Only build outset contours when really needed. This spares quite a few |
| 15:56.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: operations and removes now useless parameters from several methods. |
| 15:56.49 | CIA-32 | FTGL: Patch by Eric Beets, reworked by me. |
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| 16:46.56 | nn64 | JeffM, o[id]->shootthrough = gtk_toggle_button_get_active(GTK_TOGGLE_BUTTON(eobj->checkbox[2]))!= FALSE; ::::: Whats the !=FALSE for ? |
| 16:47.25 | donny_baker | nn64: please read the PM i sent to you |
| 16:47.39 | JeffM | nn64, cast warnings |
| 16:47.52 | JeffM | GTK big bool to real C++ little bool |
| 16:48.02 | JeffM | nn64, type safety was mode of your problems |
| 16:48.24 | JeffM | and yes, read your PMs |
| 16:50.09 | nn64 | donny_baker, ok i got it and did what you suggested. |
| 16:52.37 | JeffM | nn64, the core question I have for you now, is what do you want to do with all this? |
| 16:53.03 | JeffM | do you want to just putter on it in your own way? or make it good clean code and maybe learn something in the process? |
| 16:56.05 | JeffM | ether answer is fine |
| 16:56.09 | JeffM | I just need to know |
| 16:56.15 | nn64 | I want to make a working code how I go about it is my own business. for now I wan't something that just works and does the job. And not pick at the extreme details yet until I have it mostly completed. |
| 16:56.46 | JeffM | so you want to putter |
| 16:56.46 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:56.57 | JeffM | then I will make a branch for your version |
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| 16:57.01 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 16:57.16 | JeffM | it just determines where I put things |
| 16:57.50 | nn64 | It's still only half to a Quarter done I would like you to help me clean it up when I finish 1 or 2 more releases |
| 16:58.04 | nn64 | probably after the next one |
| 16:58.17 | JeffM | nn64, I will only help you if we clean it up during the development |
| 16:58.19 | JeffM | not at the end |
| 16:58.25 | JeffM | that will be painfull |
| 16:58.39 | L4m3r_ | easier to do things right the first time |
| 16:58.39 | JeffM | if you want to go off on your own, have fun with it |
| 16:58.50 | nn64 | well what tips do you suggest to clean it up? |
| 16:58.51 | JeffM | nn64, I would like you to learn how to program in a good way |
| 16:59.00 | JeffM | nn64, many things |
| 16:59.10 | JeffM | most are basic C things |
| 16:59.12 | L4m3r_ | cleaning up a complete app is a major PITA... look at bzflag :P |
| 16:59.15 | nn64 | Im closly fallowing your fixes |
| 16:59.18 | JeffM | and good programing practices |
| 16:59.24 | JeffM | nn64, but do you understand why I made them? |
| 16:59.29 | nn64 | yes |
| 16:59.38 | JeffM | like why I put extern in front of your objects list? |
| 17:01.03 | nn64 | yes I understand why you put that there |
| 17:01.16 | JeffM | why? explain it to us please |
| 17:01.28 | JeffM | so I can make sure you get it |
| 17:01.41 | JeffM | take as long as you need |
| 17:02.40 | nn64 | Because you wan't the object o to be defined once instead of many times; By many times I mean each time it was included. |
| 17:02.54 | JeffM | very good |
| 17:03.21 | JeffM | and do you know why I had to add all those function declerations to entry.h ? |
| 17:03.27 | nn64 | Oups ,that's a messed up apostrophe |
| 17:04.32 | JeffM | I'm willing to help you. I won't let it detract from other things I have to do, but I am willing to give you a helping hand. I would not want to see your programing go down the dark path. |
| 17:04.40 | JeffM | a path you are about 1/2 way down as is |
| 17:05.46 | nn64 | I really don't see many changes in entry.h and I also don't see any added function definitions in that file? |
| 17:06.05 | JeffM | do you know how to do a diff on 2 files? |
| 17:07.27 | JeffM | or maybe it was save |
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| 17:15.36 | donny_baker | nn64: thank you |
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| 19:03.45 | ducktapebz | hello everyone |
| 19:05.30 | ducktapebz | Does anyone remember the bzflag site with picture of some of the bzflagers? |
| 19:05.51 | catay | pics.bzleague.com i think |
| 19:06.03 | Manu | ducktapebz: http://www.pics.bzleague.com/ |
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| 19:06.18 | ducktapebz | awesome |
| 19:06.20 | ducktapebz | thanks |
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| 19:07.36 | ducktapebz | Ok thank you |
| 19:07.38 | ducktapebz | bye |
| 19:07.45 | QueenAnnsRvnge9 | hiya |
| 19:08.08 | QueenAnnsRvnge9 | anyone have the link for playersearch? |
| 19:08.31 | QueenAnnsRvnge9 | guess not |
| 19:08.32 | Manu | http://my.bzflag.org/ |
| 19:08.36 | QueenAnnsRvnge9 | oh |
| 19:08.38 | QueenAnnsRvnge9 | thanks |
| 19:08.48 | QueenAnnsRvnge9 | bye |
| 19:08.58 | Manu | cu |
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| 19:12.51 | whodaman- | ~Manu++ |
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| 20:06.54 | JeffM | bugQ, have you done your commit test yet? |
| 20:07.18 | bugQ | meaning? |
| 20:08.17 | JeffM | remember the other day when I said that you need to add your name to the AUTHORS file under the SOC 2008 section so we can be sure you can commit, and you said you'd do it later as you were going to sleep |
| 20:08.33 | bugQ | I did? oh. |
| 20:08.37 | bugQ | no, I haven't. |
| 20:08.55 | JeffM | can you do that so I can make sure the CIA tracker is working? :) |
| 20:09.05 | bugQ | yessah. |
| 20:09.09 | JeffM | thanks |
| 20:09.51 | Manu | :) |
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| 20:11.16 | jmsthing | I have a server problem |
| 20:11.38 | JeffM | k' |
| 20:11.41 | JeffM | what is it? |
| 20:12.01 | jmsthing | Well I set up my server but it is not on the server list |
| 20:12.21 | JeffM | you have the -public command line option? |
| 20:12.23 | donny_baker | probably not a server problem perse |
| 20:12.33 | Manu | well, can be the config, using a transparent proxy cache... |
| 20:12.35 | jmsthing | connection issue then |
| 20:12.43 | JeffM | there are a number of things it could be |
| 20:13.02 | JeffM | if it's -public do you also have -publicaddr? and if so is that address valid? |
| 20:13.05 | donny_baker | start with jeffs question |
| 20:13.29 | JeffM | after that, you check to see if the list can get back to you ( ports/route/proxy) |
| 20:13.32 | jmsthing | it is public, however im not sure about the address |
| 20:13.40 | JeffM | then don't do an address |
| 20:13.50 | JeffM | with no -plublicaddr the list will use your IP |
| 20:13.55 | JeffM | and that should be valid |
| 20:13.59 | jmsthing | I never specified an address |
| 20:14.04 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 20:14.07 | jmsthing | ok let me see |
| 20:14.07 | JeffM | it'll use the IP then |
| 20:14.10 | JeffM | so that's good |
| 20:14.17 | JeffM | can others get to your server? |
| 20:14.18 | jmsthing | k let me look |
| 20:14.21 | JeffM | by using the IP |
| 20:14.25 | JeffM | that'd be the next thing |
| 20:14.33 | jmsthing | I cant even get on my server yet -.- |
| 20:14.56 | JeffM | then that would be why it's not listing |
| 20:15.03 | JeffM | the list server will try to join the server |
| 20:15.08 | JeffM | if it can not, it won't list it |
| 20:15.19 | donny_baker | try putting your internal ip address into the server line of your client |
| 20:15.32 | jmsthing | well i cant find my server in order to get on it |
| 20:15.33 | donny_baker | and make sure the port is correct |
| 20:15.45 | JeffM | jmsthing, you type in the IP |
| 20:15.49 | jmsthing | i know |
| 20:15.51 | donny_baker | but it has an ip adress, just put that in mannualy |
| 20:16.04 | JeffM | what is your external IP? |
| 20:16.10 | donny_baker | no need for it to show up on the list |
| 20:16.10 | jmsthing | i understand that but im talking to you guys not doing it |
| 20:16.35 | bugQ | should I make any note of the difference between my nick and callsign? |
| 20:16.46 | bugQ | bugQ vs. bug? |
| 20:16.48 | JeffM | bugQ, nick is fine |
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| 20:17.03 | JeffM | or do both with a / |
| 20:17.10 | JeffM | like brlcad/learner does |
| 20:18.32 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r17082 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): put mah name in the list |
| 20:18.47 | *** part/#bzflag Joss (n=josiah@203-173-228-137.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) |
| 20:18.58 | bugQ | ...oh, that also contains the two patches I submitted. |
| 20:19.16 | bugQ | hm. |
| 20:19.17 | JeffM | what were the patches? |
| 20:19.19 | jmsthing | it says my public address is 0.0.0.0:5154 |
| 20:19.29 | whodaman- | hm |
| 20:19.31 | JeffM | jmsthing, that means the default local interface |
| 20:19.32 | Lukstr | oh dear |
| 20:19.33 | JeffM | that's normal |
| 20:19.37 | JeffM | that's not your real IP |
| 20:19.47 | JeffM | bugQ, well looks like you learn how to revert then :) |
| 20:19.58 | JeffM | and please use real english in commit messages ;) |
| 20:20.13 | bugQ | yessah. |
| 20:20.38 | jmsthing | so how do i find my ip without going through the control panel? |
| 20:20.39 | bugQ | the patches were 1945126 and 1944622 |
| 20:20.54 | JeffM | jmsthing, http://www.whatismyip.com |
| 20:21.09 | JeffM | bugQ, go ahead and revert them from the commits for now, so you'll know how |
| 20:21.23 | JeffM | cus even if they are accepted they should have there own commit messages. |
| 20:21.26 | bugQ | nods. |
| 20:21.39 | jmsthing | how do you paste into the bzflag client? |
| 20:21.54 | JeffM | you don't |
| 20:22.00 | Manu | bugQ: lol what a message ;) |
| 20:22.04 | JeffM | what is the ip? |
| 20:22.07 | jmsthing | i thought it was alt z or something |
| 20:22.31 | JeffM | we don't do paste |
| 20:22.36 | JeffM | we ain't a word processor ;) |
| 20:23.11 | jmsthing | ok my ip didnt work |
| 20:23.41 | JeffM | you are using the same machine as you are playing on? |
| 20:23.49 | JeffM | if so, use 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:23.52 | JeffM | that's local host |
| 20:23.56 | jmsthing | ok |
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| 20:24.05 | JeffM | some routers don't route the exteranal IP back inside the lan |
| 20:24.16 | brlcad | only because the names are so different |
| 20:24.21 | jmsthing | thanks |
| 20:24.44 | brlcad | if I was learnerquebang and learner?! .. i certainly wouldn't put both :) |
| 20:24.51 | jmsthing | why am i unable to move my mouse outside the bzflag client? |
| 20:24.58 | brlcad | it's a setting |
| 20:25.01 | brlcad | confine mouse |
| 20:25.02 | JeffM | jmsthing, or alt +tab |
| 20:25.03 | brlcad | on the input menu |
| 20:25.08 | jmsthing | i use alt tab |
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| 20:25.34 | donny_baker | or you can also F4 |
| 20:26.09 | JeffM | jmsthing, what's the IP I can try it from here to see if your route is valid |
| 20:28.08 | jmsthing | 75.91.72.78 |
| 20:29.08 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r17083 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): undo my silliness in r17082 |
| 20:29.44 | donny_baker | jfsthing: you using port 5154 for your server? |
| 20:30.00 | jmsthing | not sure |
| 20:30.06 | jmsthing | how do i route it? |
| 20:30.12 | donny_baker | then yes that is the default |
| 20:30.27 | donny_baker | have you made any changes to your router setup? |
| 20:30.36 | jmsthing | no |
| 20:30.56 | donny_baker | that is required for people to be able to play on your server from the outside and be listed on the list |
| 20:31.01 | jmsthing | do i need to allow bzflag access to that port? |
| 20:31.24 | donny_baker | you need to tell your router to let traffic to that port through to your server |
| 20:31.29 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r17084 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: put my name in the GSoC list |
| 20:31.42 | jmsthing | so what if i dont know my router address |
| 20:31.51 | donny_baker | this site can help www.portforward.com |
| 20:32.06 | jmsthing | k thanks |
| 20:32.17 | bugQ | well, it looks like it works, in any case. |
| 20:32.42 | Erroneous | ~bugQ++ |
| 20:32.42 | donny_baker | you do have access to the router and can make chages, correct? |
| 20:32.49 | jmsthing | yes |
| 20:33.20 | jmsthing | but i have to buy that software, why cant i just access my router on my own? |
| 20:33.38 | donny_baker | you need to know the internal IP address of the machine running bzfs... and the port is 5154, and we require both UDP and TCP |
| 20:33.44 | JeffM | yeah I get no route to it |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM | you have to buy software to manage your router? |
| 20:34.12 | JeffM | what kinda crap router has that? |
| 20:34.19 | jmsthing | i just need my router address |
| 20:34.27 | JeffM | what is your lan IP? |
| 20:34.27 | donny_baker | no, there is an add on that site, but no need to buy anything |
| 20:34.43 | JeffM | open a terminal, and type ipconfig |
| 20:34.44 | jmsthing | idk my network ip |
| 20:34.54 | JeffM | whatever your gateway is, that's your router |
| 20:35.03 | JeffM | like 129.168.0.1 |
| 20:35.04 | Think_Differentl | usually home routers are 192.168.1.1 and have a web config |
| 20:35.11 | JeffM | 192.168.01 I mean |
| 20:35.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:35.24 | jmsthing | 192.168.1.4 |
| 20:35.24 | JeffM | it'll be your gateway IP tho |
| 20:35.28 | donny_baker | jmsthing: on www.portforward.com go to the Guides page |
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| 20:35.32 | JeffM | that's your IP or your gateway? |
| 20:35.38 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-026-022.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:35.48 | jmsthing | my gateway is 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:35.48 | JeffM | the gateway is usuay .1 |
| 20:35.53 | JeffM | that's your router IP |
| 20:36.00 | donny_baker | http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm |
| 20:36.03 | jmsthing | oh thanks |
| 20:36.12 | Think_Differentl | what type of router do you have? |
| 20:36.19 | donny_baker | find your router on there and it will help you forward traffic to your server |
| 20:36.21 | jmsthing | netgear |
| 20:36.26 | Think_Differentl | ah |
| 20:38.21 | donny_baker | jmsthing: you will probably need to use the default guide for your router, usually above the list of games on your routers page |
| 20:38.30 | *** part/#bzflag Joss (i=cbade489@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-969f7e007c4a3c75) |
| 20:38.40 | jmsthing | bzflag isnt on the list |
| 20:39.00 | donny_baker | yeah.. read one line up from your |
| 20:39.09 | donny_baker | < donny_baker> jmsthing: you will probably need to use the default guide for your router, usually above the list of games on your routers page |
| 20:39.28 | donny_baker | says "If you do not..." |
| 20:40.05 | donny_baker | what is your router model so i can help walk you through it? |
| 20:40.15 | JeffM | do it in private tho |
| 20:40.22 | donny_baker | k |
| 20:40.24 | bugQ | woo netgear. makers of mediocre wifi routers since 20X3. |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM | #networking101 this ain't ;) |
| 20:40.58 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 20:43.19 | Winny | dlink is worse :) |
| 20:44.59 | TheRedBaron | or 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:45.08 | TheRedBaron | ug |
| 20:45.13 | TheRedBaron | forgot to scroll all the way down |
| 20:45.28 | Lukstr | takes a sip from his humongous coffee |
| 20:45.35 | jmsthing | port 5154 is the default? |
| 20:45.57 | donny_baker | yes |
| 20:46.01 | jmsthing | k |
| 20:47.36 | jmsthing | ok i think i have it |
| 20:47.43 | jmsthing | do i need to restart my server? |
| 20:48.10 | jmsthing | ? |
| 20:48.24 | blast007 | that'll be the fastest way to get it listed |
| 20:48.43 | jmsthing | i dont want it listed yet just accessable |
| 20:49.28 | blast007 | it's not working yet |
| 20:50.19 | jmsthing | hm... |
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| 20:50.53 | blast007 | you forwarded port 5154 TCP and UDP to your LAN computer of 192.168.1.4? |
| 20:51.14 | jmsthing | not sure about UDP and LAN |
| 20:51.29 | jmsthing | but yes that port and ip |
| 20:51.31 | blast007 | well, it would be your LAN.. |
| 20:51.46 | jmsthing | i mean UDP and TCP not lan |
| 20:51.58 | jmsthing | what does that mean btw? |
| 20:52.07 | blast007 | different protocols |
| 20:52.10 | blast007 | bzflag uses both |
| 20:52.35 | jmsthing | hm... |
| 20:52.38 | brlcad | egads tim, who is apparently not here right now .. wonder if he was going to ever tell anyone he signed up |
| 20:53.02 | nn64 | jmsthing, you still setting up your server :) |
| 20:53.20 | blast007 | jmsthing: and the server is running right now? |
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| 20:53.37 | nn64 | donny_baker, you still here ? |
| 20:53.46 | jmsthing | wait BZflag isnt on my router service list |
| 20:54.34 | JeffM | thought you said you had the route setup when I aske you about it yesterday |
| 20:54.37 | jmsthing | nvm gotta custom |
| 20:54.43 | jmsthing | hold on a min |
| 20:54.50 | blast007 | hangs on to his chair |
| 20:55.43 | jmsthing | ok hot the ports opened apparently and for UDP andTCP |
| 20:55.48 | jmsthing | got* |
| 20:55.58 | jmsthing | port 5154 |
| 20:56.28 | JeffM | still can't get to it |
| 20:56.38 | jmsthing | ip 192.168.1.4 right? |
| 20:56.45 | JeffM | that is your lan IP |
| 20:56.46 | JeffM | that oyu use |
| 20:56.48 | JeffM | you use |
| 20:56.52 | JeffM | we have to use the exteral IP |
| 20:57.13 | jmsthing | thats my ip according to the ip config command |
| 20:57.17 | blast007 | still timing out to that IP you gave |
| 20:57.56 | blast007 | maybe your ISP doesn't allow you to run anything |
| 20:58.13 | jmsthing | no w8 that is my lan ip |
| 20:58.25 | jmsthing | how do i find my external ip? |
| 20:58.31 | blast007 | You already gave us that |
| 20:58.40 | blast007 | 75.91.72.78 |
| 20:59.02 | blast007 | which, I can ping, but not connect to port 5154 |
| 20:59.02 | jmsthing | so i need to put that in for my port forwarding? |
| 20:59.06 | blast007 | no |
| 20:59.19 | blast007 | you are forwarding a port to the computer RUNNING the server |
| 20:59.29 | blast007 | it's really not that complicated |
| 20:59.30 | jmsthing | yes |
| 20:59.47 | blast007 | so what is the IP of the computer running the server? 192.168.1.4? |
| 20:59.55 | jmsthing | apparently |
| 20:59.56 | jftsang | nn64, you took down my map? |
| 21:00.00 | jmsthing | well that the lan ip |
| 21:00.08 | blast007 | poof |
| 21:00.18 | Winny | heh |
| 21:00.20 | blast007 | CGI:IRC ftw |
| 21:00.36 | blast007 | maybe he tried to change his LAN IP |
| 21:00.39 | Lukstr | networking is such a PITA |
| 21:00.44 | blast007 | Lukstr: not really |
| 21:00.58 | blast007 | I mean, it's a HOME network, not a corporate network |
| 21:01.08 | Lukstr | blast007: well, I don't find it difficult, but, it should be simpler |
| 21:01.11 | blast007 | there isn't that much involved |
| 21:01.23 | Lukstr | pretty steep learning curve if you've never done anything before |
| 21:01.25 | nn64 | jftsang, which one I have been having port confections it may have been one that didn't start. |
| 21:01.29 | Lukstr | it took me a long time to figure out BIND |
| 21:01.37 | TheRedBaron | just read about NAT for home networking |
| 21:01.38 | jftsang | nn64, the paintballing map |
| 21:01.43 | *** join/#bzflag bugQ (n=bugQ@wireless231.wireless.utah.edu) |
| 21:01.55 | blast007 | Lukstr: you should have used Windows Server. It would be as easy as clicking a mouse. |
| 21:01.58 | blast007 | ducks |
| 21:02.07 | bugQ | blasts blast007 |
| 21:02.12 | Lukstr | ~lart blast007 |
| 21:02.12 | ibot | pries blast007's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to blast007 |
| 21:02.12 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:02.24 | blast007 | I hope it's the vista bootloader |
| 21:02.37 | Lukstr | I used to run a windows server, for a few months |
| 21:02.43 | Lukstr | but I was something like 11 or 12 |
| 21:02.56 | nn64 | Lukstr, I run linux bind is probably the LAST thing you want to try |
| 21:03.05 | blast007 | server 2008 might be interesting |
| 21:03.16 | blast007 | full IPv6 support |
| 21:03.29 | *** join/#bzflag jmsthing (n=4b5b484e@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:03.30 | Lukstr | nn64: I have bind running right now :) |
| 21:03.38 | Lukstr | nn64: I have since mastered bind :D |
| 21:03.41 | jmsthing | am i connected again? |
| 21:03.47 | Lukstr | it would appear so |
| 21:03.50 | jmsthing | for a minute i seemed to lag out |
| 21:03.51 | TheRedBaron | Lukstr: how old are you now? |
| 21:04.22 | Lukstr | 20 |
| 21:04.44 | jmsthing | um... anyone still helping with my port issue? |
| 21:05.13 | bugQ | what is the public opinion of posadis? |
| 21:05.30 | Lukstr | yucky |
| 21:05.34 | blast007 | jmsthing: get your router configured right |
| 21:05.48 | Lukstr | there's a perfectly find BIND for Win |
| 21:05.50 | Lukstr | *fine |
| 21:06.02 | jmsthing | it is |
| 21:06.10 | blast007 | jmsthing: then is your bzfs running? |
| 21:06.15 | jmsthing | yes |
| 21:06.30 | blast007 | still not working |
| 21:06.39 | blast007 | so call your ISP and ask if they allow you to host services |
| 21:06.48 | Lukstr | jmsthing: are you behind a bizarre modem? |
| 21:06.54 | jmsthing | they dont filter anything |
| 21:06.59 | jmsthing | im behind a dsl modem |
| 21:07.10 | Lukstr | is it a router also? |
| 21:07.11 | blast007 | how are you sure they don't block you from running stuff? |
| 21:07.12 | jmsthing | no |
| 21:07.16 | Lukstr | what model? |
| 21:07.21 | jmsthing | i asked them once |
| 21:07.29 | jmsthing | 1 sec on model |
| 21:07.39 | blast007 | well then, it must be user error on your end then |
| 21:07.47 | brlcad | Thumper_: ping |
| 21:07.47 | blast007 | or they lied ;) |
| 21:08.01 | Lukstr | is just happy he has all cisco/linksys hardware |
| 21:08.09 | jmsthing | speedstream 5200 |
| 21:08.19 | Lukstr | holy crap, I have the same one |
| 21:08.42 | Thumper_ | blast007: pong |
| 21:08.42 | jmsthing | wow thats amazing its distributed by major IPs |
| 21:08.44 | Thumper_ | grr |
| 21:08.46 | Thumper_ | brlcad: pong |
| 21:08.50 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:08.57 | Lukstr | I assume your modem |
| 21:09.01 | Lukstr | is configured sanely then? |
| 21:09.06 | Lukstr | or did it come configured? |
| 21:09.15 | jmsthing | its on default config |
| 21:09.24 | jmsthing | or should be |
| 21:09.34 | blast007 | apparently that device is a router as well |
| 21:09.43 | Lukstr | yeah, it has its own DNS server |
| 21:09.58 | Lukstr | if you try to forward ports in a LAN under it you're just stuck in a tiny LAN :P |
| 21:09.59 | jmsthing | using wireless router |
| 21:10.31 | Lukstr | what does your router say it's IP is? (check status) |
| 21:10.32 | jmsthing | so i need to forward my modem ports too? |
| 21:10.45 | Lukstr | if your router's IP matches your Internet IP you should be fine |
| 21:11.01 | jmsthing | how do i check that? |
| 21:11.10 | Lukstr | router's status page should have some info on that |
| 21:11.17 | Lukstr | also what DNS servers it's using |
| 21:11.48 | jmsthing | idk my router address but i need it to access the status page dont i? |
| 21:11.50 | Lukstr | woah, s/DNS/DHCP/ a few lines up |
| 21:11.58 | Lukstr | haha yeah |
| 21:12.07 | blast007 | jmsthing: the page you went to for doing the port forwarding... |
| 21:12.07 | Lukstr | it's usually 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:12.11 | blast007 | that SAME interface |
| 21:12.25 | jmsthing | wait are we talking about ym router or modem? |
| 21:12.30 | Lukstr | router |
| 21:12.31 | blast007 | your router |
| 21:12.45 | jmsthing | it should be configured correctly |
| 21:12.47 | blast007 | your modem might be configured as a router as well, which is what we are trying to figure out |
| 21:12.51 | blast007 | .. |
| 21:12.55 | bugQ | oh wow, just found out about a machinima showing on campus in 15 min. |
| 21:13.03 | Lukstr | bugQ: haha nice |
| 21:13.08 | blast007 | go to the status page for your router, and see what the WAN IP address shows |
| 21:13.18 | jmsthing | k |
| 21:13.23 | bugQ | I think I need to, um, do something... |
| 21:13.24 | bugQ | runs |
| 21:13.34 | blast007 | bugQ: heh |
| 21:14.07 | jmsthing | 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:14.16 | Lukstr | Oh |
| 21:14.29 | Lukstr | So that's what it reports as its WAN IP? |
| 21:14.42 | jmsthing | i think |
| 21:14.48 | blast007 | make sure :P |
| 21:14.55 | blast007 | that can't be right |
| 21:15.01 | Lukstr | blast007: no, it can |
| 21:15.14 | blast007 | hmm, unless the stupid modem does a subnet of 255.255.0.0 |
| 21:15.14 | Lukstr | blast007: his modem's DHCP server gave his router that address, if that's the case |
| 21:15.25 | jmsthing | oh wait thats the DNZ server |
| 21:15.29 | Lukstr | hah |
| 21:15.30 | blast007 | DMZ* |
| 21:15.35 | Lukstr | phew |
| 21:15.35 | jmsthing | -.- |
| 21:15.52 | jmsthing | doesent display WAN address that I see |
| 21:15.54 | Lukstr | It took me forever to get my stupid modem to be transparent |
| 21:16.05 | Lukstr | Hm, see if you can find the page where it shows DNS servers |
| 21:16.12 | Lukstr | should be two or three |
| 21:16.17 | Lukstr | along with a subnet mask |
| 21:16.24 | Lukstr | and a gateway :P |
| 21:16.30 | jmsthing | theres a box checked that says connect automatically as required |
| 21:16.40 | Lukstr | jmsthing: what router is it? |
| 21:16.57 | Lukstr | I'm going to look up a manual for it |
| 21:17.02 | jmsthing | netgear wgt 624 |
| 21:17.07 | blast007 | I guess you can discuss that in private now... I've lost interest |
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| 21:19.30 | Lukstr | jmsthing: where it says Internet Port on the Router Status page under Maintenance |
| 21:20.14 | jmsthing | ok which address we need? |
| 21:21.17 | Lukstr | what does it say? |
| 21:21.18 | jmsthing | IP Address 192.168.254.1 |
| 21:21.43 | jmsthing | MAC Address 00:14:6C:01:57:5F |
| 21:21.49 | Lukstr | That's not a good sign |
| 21:21.52 | jmsthing | why? |
| 21:22.06 | Lukstr | that means your modem's providing a local network, which your router is connected to |
| 21:22.24 | Lukstr | So when you forward ports from your router, you forward them into the modem's local network, not the internet |
| 21:22.26 | jmsthing | so how i fix that? |
| 21:22.30 | Lukstr | I have no idea |
| 21:22.32 | Lukstr | contact your ISP |
| 21:22.42 | Lukstr | they should be able to help you if your modem is standard |
| 21:23.25 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r942 10/trunk/configure.ac: |
| 21:23.25 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Add loads of C/C++ warning flags to the build process: |
| 21:23.25 | CIA-32 | FTGL: -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wcast-qual -Wshadow -Wsign-compare |
| 21:23.25 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Add C-specific warning flags, too: |
| 21:23.25 | CIA-32 | FTGL: -Waggregate-return -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes |
| 21:23.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: -Wnested-externs |
| 21:23.34 | Lukstr | hint: The way I got around it was to tell my modem that it wasn't going to be the one to make the connection, and had my router connect through my modem |
| 21:23.57 | Lukstr | if that's of any help. Regardless, I can't really help your further, and this probably isn't the place to be talking about such problems |
| 21:24.16 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r943 10/trunk/ (15 files in 4 dirs): |
| 21:24.16 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Fix most compilation warnings. Most frequent causes: shadow declarations |
| 21:24.16 | CIA-32 | FTGL: and const qualifier disappearances. |
| 21:25.37 | jmsthing | what should i tell them? |
| 21:26.40 | jmsthing | ? |
| 21:26.44 | Lukstr | um |
| 21:27.01 | Lukstr | that you want your router to be assigned your WAN/Internet IP |
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| 21:27.17 | blast007 | jmsthing: try to connect to 192.168.254.1 in your browser |
| 21:27.29 | Erroneous | generally your modem will have a setting that you can toggle to turn off NAT |
| 21:28.15 | blast007 | jmsthing: wow look! I googled for "speedstream 5200" and the first result was the manual for your speedstream router (and yes, it is a router) |
| 21:28.19 | jmsthing | wouldnt load that IP |
| 21:28.39 | blast007 | try 192.168.254.254 then |
| 21:28.52 | Lukstr | blast007: he may not be able to reach his modem from the other side of the router |
| 21:29.01 | blast007 | Lukstr: I can on my setup here at work |
| 21:29.04 | blast007 | same kind of deal |
| 21:29.16 | Lukstr | I had the same problem he had and I could only access it directly |
| 21:29.31 | Lukstr | I hate these router/modems |
| 21:29.33 | blast007 | and I can at home as well, when my cable internet goes down (the modem then switches to 192.168.100.1 so I can get to diagnostic logs) |
| 21:30.46 | blast007 | that manual will be something good to read though |
| 21:31.35 | jmsthing | got in |
| 21:34.19 | jmsthing | how do I turn off NAT? |
| 21:34.28 | jmsthing | and what will that do? |
| 21:35.50 | Lukstr | jmsthing: should be explained in your manual |
| 21:37.50 | jmsthing | im not entirely sure what i need to be doing anymore |
| 21:38.06 | Winny | have you looked at portforward.com for forwarding on your specific router? |
| 21:39.05 | jmsthing | do i need disable my WAN connection? |
| 21:40.16 | jmsthing | @lukstr ? |
| 21:40.21 | Lukstr | What? |
| 21:40.23 | Lukstr | I have no idea |
| 21:40.43 | Lukstr | Read your modem's manual first |
| 21:40.50 | jmsthing | its huge |
| 21:41.10 | Lukstr | you should be trying to do something along the lines of PPPoE from your router |
| 21:41.13 | Lukstr | through your modem |
| 21:41.31 | Lukstr | other than that I don't know |
| 21:41.36 | Lukstr | best bet is to call your ISP |
| 21:42.08 | jmsthing | my ISP said they couldnt help me |
| 21:42.10 | blast007 | jmsthing: read the manual, or ask your ISP. If you screw up, we're not going to be able to help you, since you won't be able to get online> :P |
| 21:42.38 | blast007 | and we're not your networking support line anyway. this falls outside the scope of this channel. |
| 21:43.04 | jmsthing | but its about bzflag server access |
| 21:43.13 | blast007 | no, it's about making your networking work |
| 21:43.16 | blast007 | that is not our task |
| 21:43.18 | blast007 | that is yours |
| 21:43.22 | jmsthing | to facilitate bzflag |
| 21:43.34 | blast007 | not really |
| 21:43.47 | blast007 | if you wanted to run a good server, you'd have a dedicated server |
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| 21:43.52 | Winny | That's like saying JeffM has to teach me how to program in C++ because I Want to work on BZFlag |
| 21:44.24 | jmsthing | i will have a dedicated server once i get my computer built |
| 21:44.25 | blast007 | jmsthing: We already have more servers than players |
| 21:44.44 | blast007 | jmsthing: I don't mean at your house... I mean at a datacenter |
| 21:44.46 | Winny | by dedicated server he means something in a datacenter |
| 21:44.49 | blast007 | with real bandwidth |
| 21:44.54 | blast007 | not a DSL connection |
| 21:44.56 | Winny | IE: www.sagonet.com |
| 21:45.04 | jmsthing | who would invest money in that? |
| 21:45.11 | spldart | Many would |
| 21:45.14 | spldart | and have |
| 21:45.14 | Winny | many many people |
| 21:45.16 | blast007 | most of the servers you see on the front page |
| 21:45.20 | jmsthing | except people using advertising |
| 21:45.21 | blast007 | of the list |
| 21:45.27 | blast007 | I do |
| 21:45.47 | blast007 | you can't run a 30 player server off a typical residental connection |
| 21:45.47 | jmsthing | so u gain profit by advertizing on your BZflag server |
| 21:45.51 | blast007 | nope |
| 21:45.53 | Winny | haha |
| 21:46.02 | spldart | yikes |
| 21:46.02 | jmsthing | i dont want a 30player server |
| 21:46.14 | jmsthing | i want a server for me and my friends |
| 21:46.16 | blast007 | I have a dedicated server, but I earn nothing from it at this point. |
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| 21:46.50 | blast007 | comes out to about $900/year ;) |
| 21:47.03 | Winny | ~50*12 |
| 21:47.04 | ibot | 600 |
| 21:47.23 | Winny | hah, I win blast007 :P |
| 21:47.25 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:47.30 | jmsthing | well if nothing else i can host LAN games =] |
| 21:47.34 | blast007 | I was going for the high score though |
| 21:47.38 | Lukstr | ~8*1 |
| 21:47.39 | ibot | 8 |
| 21:47.41 | Lukstr | oh I win! |
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| 21:59.36 | TheRedBaron | eh |
| 22:00.31 | TheRedBaron | when jmsthing comes back - the correct term is that he needs his modem bridged to his router |
| 22:00.46 | blast007 | meh |
| 22:00.51 | blast007 | he can ask his ISP |
| 22:00.51 | TheRedBaron | which if he contacts his ISP and tells them that - they should be able to help him |
| 22:00.53 | JeffM | perhaps ##bzflagNetworking? |
| 22:01.16 | TheRedBaron | has had it done multiple times on cable & dsl |
| 22:02.49 | Lukstr | I think his ISP can help him regardless of what the term is :P |
| 22:02.56 | blast007 | JeffM: better yet, we could have paid VNC support :P $2.50/minute |
| 22:03.54 | Think_Differentl | blast007, you'd also have to charge them to set up VNC and forward the ports. |
| 22:04.17 | TheRedBaron | Lukstr: correct - but its a whole lot easier if you have the correct terms. Instead of spending the first 10 mins trying to understand eachother |
| 22:04.18 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: not all VNC requires port forwarding |
| 22:04.31 | blast007 | the client you would give to them would connect *out* |
| 22:04.45 | Think_Differentl | ah |
| 22:04.48 | blast007 | s/client/app/ |
| 22:07.25 | Lukstr | time to take inventory of the crap inside all my offline boxen... |
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| 22:10.35 | spldart | heh.. gonna take my stoway home today and unload the drive.. 47 days uptime.. tis a shame to waste |
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| 22:29.23 | Ride- | can anyone help me im having a problem seting up my server using PuTTY and WinSCP |
| 22:29.44 | Ride- | i get an error that says Connection has timed out on both of them when i try to use them |
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| 22:33.09 | JBdiGriz | spldart, 47 days isn't very long. |
| 22:36.32 | JeffM | Ride-, then your computer can't connect to the server, or ssh is not running on the server. |
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| 22:38.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
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| 22:39.57 | *** topic/#bzflag by tj13820 -> alfkhja;lhfk |
| 22:49.57 | *** topic/#bzflag by JBdiGriz -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC participants: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/bzflag/about.html || Students should add their projects to the wiki for review |
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| 23:30.29 | TheRedBaron | oompa loompa |
| 23:31.06 | donny_baker | doopity do |
| 23:31.41 | Lukstr | my silly old Dell has a sweet multimedia system, but it's 5 PCI cards wired together :( |
| 23:31.46 | Lukstr | a little clunky |
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| 23:53.44 | Winny | donny_baker, isn't it doople dee doo? |
| 23:53.45 | Winny | :P |
| 23:54.11 | donny_baker | don't know, have never seen a lyrics sheet for it |
| 23:55.41 | donny_baker | to set the record straight, we are both wrong: Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do |
| 23:55.47 | Winny | bah |