| 00:10.09 | blast007 | AHA: ah, didn't see the duplicate messsages part |
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| 01:00.34 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to start any blasphemous Rumours, but I think that god's got a sick sense of humor. and when I day I expect to find him laughing... |
| 01:02.15 | Winny | s/when/one/ |
| 01:04.18 | JeffM2501 | die not day |
| 01:04.20 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
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| 01:04.58 | EvanEjk | how come xcode has to be such a huge program |
| 01:05.20 | JeffM2501 | because it includes headers and libraries for a lot of things |
| 01:05.53 | blast007 | EvanEjk: they package in an easter egg that launches a real operating system. |
| 01:07.45 | EvanEjk | does anybody know a ssh client for mac that has a command promt (so I can host a server) |
| 01:08.08 | JeffM2501 | ssh |
| 01:08.11 | EvanEjk | the one i found is a "trial version" and you cant even file transfer |
| 01:08.18 | JeffM2501 | just type shh |
| 01:08.20 | JeffM2501 | ssh |
| 01:08.25 | EvanEjk | oh ya |
| 01:08.26 | EvanEjk | ssh |
| 01:08.26 | JeffM2501 | into the terminal |
| 01:08.31 | EvanEjk | yes |
| 01:08.31 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda built in ;) |
| 01:08.44 | EvanEjk | school blocks that on these labtops :D |
| 01:08.58 | JeffM2501 | then use your own computer |
| 01:09.52 | EvanEjk | ... |
| 01:09.55 | EvanEjk | :D |
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| 01:10.21 | JeffM2501 | if the owners of the hardware have disabled it, you should not be doing it. |
| 01:11.28 | EvanEjk | I don't think they blocked it so kids couldn't connect to web hosts meant for bzflag |
| 01:11.48 | EvanEjk | oh well |
| 01:11.53 | blast007 | that's probably one reason |
| 01:11.56 | JeffM2501 | no, they probabaly blocked it so you'd study instead of screwing around ;) |
| 01:12.00 | blast007 | they want you doing school work |
| 01:12.31 | EvanEjk | ill just use logmein so i still get the portability |
| 01:12.47 | JeffM2501 | or your own hardware |
| 01:13.04 | blast007 | buy an N800 :P |
| 01:13.08 | blast007 | you can ssh from that |
| 01:13.14 | JeffM2501 | or an eeepc |
| 01:13.18 | blast007 | even better |
| 01:13.27 | EvanEjk | other kids have porn on theirs i think they might let bzflag pass |
| 01:13.35 | donny_baker | heck a windows mobile phone can do it too |
| 01:13.36 | JeffM2501 | I was about to get one, but I can't do the keyboard |
| 01:13.46 | JeffM2501 | EvanEjk, we don't realy need to know about that |
| 01:14.14 | Think_Differentl | N800 ftw :D |
| 01:14.26 | EvanEjk | macbook air, those are nice for a mac |
| 01:14.36 | JeffM2501 | not for 1700$ |
| 01:14.53 | EvanEjk | this is a iBook G4 |
| 01:14.59 | Think_Differentl | would rather take a PB G4 12" over a MBA |
| 01:15.02 | EvanEjk | PowerPC |
| 01:15.58 | EvanEjk | the other day the computer teacher got mad at me because i used an aplication called wallsaver to change my background |
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| 01:16.15 | JeffM2501 | EvanEjk, good for them |
| 01:16.15 | Think_Differentl | maybe you shouldn't change the background ;) |
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| 01:17.07 | EvanEjk | then he tried to change it back it took him 20 minutes :p |
| 01:17.55 | EvanEjk | they got really mad when i shared what the power of a proxy is to the other students |
| 01:18.29 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy care man... |
| 01:19.01 | EvanEjk | ight ill just talk when i get my next nooby question |
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| 01:36.46 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: Why does bzfs count unauthenticated players in the poll? |
| 01:39.59 | blast007 | what do you mean? |
| 01:41.45 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, because that is the way it is writen to work |
| 01:42.44 | AAA_awright | No good reason? Because some <sarcasm>brilliant</sarcasm> person figured out you can evade kick banning by joining as a bunch of registered names |
| 01:42.55 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 01:42.55 | AAA_awright | er, poll kicks/poll bans |
| 01:43.08 | JeffM2501 | it's the way it was writen |
| 01:43.24 | JeffM2501 | how about INSTEAD of being an ass, you be constructive |
| 01:43.36 | JeffM2501 | or is this what you do for fun? |
| 01:43.44 | AAA_awright | Ass? I was referring to the cheater. |
| 01:43.45 | JeffM2501 | yes it would be a good option to have |
| 01:43.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm reffering to YOU |
| 01:44.01 | JeffM2501 | and cyour comments |
| 01:44.08 | JeffM2501 | sure there are abbuses of it |
| 01:44.10 | AAA_awright | I'm at a loss here, what comments? |
| 01:44.33 | JeffM2501 | you asked a question you knew the answer to |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM2501 | instead of just saying 'hey how about we add reg only for polls" |
| 01:45.09 | AAA_awright | Let me try this again. Why is it written so - users count in polls? |
| 01:45.21 | JeffM2501 | same reason the grass texture is green |
| 01:45.34 | JeffM2501 | you are going about it all wrong, asking why |
| 01:45.57 | JeffM2501 | isn't there a poll vote perm? |
| 01:46.38 | think_tank | poll vote perm? that is irrelevant to the problem |
| 01:46.53 | AAA_awright | Ah, maybe it needs to be rephrased again (sorry), Why, when it tallies up how many users are able to vote, does it include unauthenticated users, by default? |
| 01:47.08 | AAA_awright | As opposed to users that don't have a registered callsign |
| 01:47.13 | JeffM2501 | the answer is always the same, and you dont' get it |
| 01:47.17 | JeffM2501 | THAT IS THE WAY IT IS WRITEN |
| 01:47.30 | JeffM2501 | because the developer chose to do it that way |
| 01:48.08 | JeffM2501 | think_tank, no it's not, if there is, then the problem is that it's applied to everyone by default |
| 01:48.10 | AAA_awright | ... I am politely asking for the thinking process behind that decision, because there might have been a reason to choose this way over what I am asking about |
| 01:48.17 | JeffM2501 | and should just be applied to the verfied group |
| 01:48.21 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, there wasn't one |
| 01:48.33 | JeffM2501 | you should know by now that there is not, nor ever has been "a plan" |
| 01:48.51 | think_tank | JeffM2501, the issue he's citing wasn't poll being abused... |
| 01:49.08 | JeffM2501 | think_tank, what else is vote used for? |
| 01:49.24 | think_tank | perhaps I might reiterate the issue, for clarity |
| 01:49.42 | JeffM2501 | oh for totals |
| 01:49.43 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 01:49.45 | JeffM2501 | my bad |
| 01:49.48 | think_tank | np :) |
| 01:50.00 | JeffM2501 | is there a poll vote perm? |
| 01:50.15 | AAA_awright | Yes, and it appears by default registered users have it |
| 01:50.15 | JeffM2501 | if so it should count the users with that perm |
| 01:50.22 | JeffM2501 | then fix the code |
| 01:50.32 | AAA_awright | I'll look at that, but it shouldn't be but a one-line fix |
| 01:50.38 | JeffM2501 | so? |
| 01:54.47 | AAA_awright | It appears that the tally of registered users is independent of the vote perm |
| 01:54.53 | JeffM2501 | yep |
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| 01:58.53 | AAA_awright | Isn't "for (int i = 0; i < curMaxPlayers; i++) {" dangerous, there could be a player on a slot greater then curMaxPlayers, correct? Or am I overlooking something? |
| 01:59.10 | JeffM2501 | no there can't be |
| 01:59.19 | JeffM2501 | new players are filled into gaps |
| 01:59.58 | AAA_awright | If there are 6 players, then the first three slots leave, that means only slots 4, 5, 6 will be filled? |
| 02:00.12 | AAA_awright | Or can slot numbers change now? |
| 02:00.30 | AAA_awright | er, slots 3,4,5 |
| 02:00.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:00.37 | JeffM2501 | but max players will be 6 |
| 02:00.52 | JeffM2501 | max players is -mp |
| 02:00.54 | JeffM2501 | not currentPlayers |
| 02:01.06 | AAA_awright | Oh, of course, that makes sense now |
| 02:02.06 | JeffM2501 | does not like the polling system |
| 02:02.55 | AAA_awright | It could be made into a plugin, maybe? |
| 02:03.35 | AAA_awright | if (otherData && otherData->accessInfo.exists()){available++;} |
| 02:03.55 | AAA_awright | otherData->accessInfo.exists() I assume is true if the global callsign exists? |
| 02:04.20 | JeffM2501 | hey he's gettin close :) |
| 02:04.23 | JeffM2501 | what does the code say? |
| 02:05.12 | AAA_awright | I don't know where exists() is defined |
| 02:05.24 | JeffM2501 | right click it, hit "go to defintion" |
| 02:06.03 | AAA_awright | Oh, I am in viewvc right now, I'll switch over |
| 02:06.20 | JeffM2501 | you can't write code in viewVC |
| 02:06.50 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 02:07.44 | AAA_awright | SVN is slow today... for me. I have been dropping packets though, so idk |
| 02:08.29 | blast007 | AAA_awright: brlcad mentioned it was slow too, but that might have been yesterday |
| 02:08.34 | blast007 | the days are blurring together |
| 02:09.16 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17098 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: only allow those with the poll perm to vote. |
| 02:10.41 | blast007 | AAA_awright: it's running fast for me |
| 02:10.49 | AAA_awright | blast007: hm, k |
| 02:11.02 | AAA_awright | Oh that is nice, VC doesn't have it in the index. |
| 02:11.23 | blast007 | intellisense database? |
| 02:11.32 | JeffM2501 | worked for me |
| 02:11.51 | AAA_awright | blast007: Yeah, that fancy name for auto-complete |
| 02:11.55 | JeffM2501 | simple find in files shows it too |
| 02:24.27 | AAA_awright | Not to be a troll or anything, but a citation may or may not me appropriate? |
| 02:31.54 | blast007 | [citation needed] |
| 02:32.29 | blast007 | AAA_awright: anyway, what are you referring to? |
| 02:33.06 | blast007 | You free to submit a patch with additional documentation for any code |
| 02:33.08 | AAA_awright | The polling bug I researched. I don't really care, but I would have expected it from JeffM. Or maybe not. |
| 02:33.15 | blast007 | You are* |
| 02:33.17 | AAA_awright | He already committed. It was a one line fix. |
| 02:34.14 | AAA_awright | if (otherData && otherData->accessInfo.exists() && otherData->accessInfo.hasPerm(PlayerAccessInfo::poll)) |
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| 02:56.59 | Winny | Can there be some rule about not being allowed to post "HOSTER NEEDED!!1`ONE" posts? |
| 02:59.56 | blast007 | Winny: one thing that might be nice is a webapp for map releases |
| 03:00.10 | blast007 | with a comments section |
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| 03:28.09 | brlcad | AAA_awright: the polling system was intentionally written to count all players joined by default |
| 03:31.14 | brlcad | the abuses can happen regardless of registration |
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| 03:34.57 | brlcad | the design intent is simple, by default if the majority on a server vote one way or another, that vote prevails; it was never supposed to be a means of preventing all means of abuse, particularly from users intent on disrupting |
| 03:45.42 | AAA_awright | What is stopping us from only counting users that can vote? Especially considering that those are the only users... who can vote |
| 03:47.11 | AAA_awright | users who voted / users capable of voting... not voted / everyone (even if you cannot) |
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| 04:04.13 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17099 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: the available count is only a prep step used for determining if the poll is valid, you have to perform the same permissions check when granting specific players the ability to participate in the poll. |
| 04:04.38 | JeffM | see I knew if I started it, someone(tm) would finish it ;) |
| 04:04.51 | JeffM | brlcad: so when did the dept of state get it's act together? |
| 04:05.07 | JeffM | I got my passport in like a freaking week and a day |
| 04:05.07 | brlcad | dept of state? |
| 04:05.13 | brlcad | wow |
| 04:05.15 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:05.17 | JeffM | didn't even rush it |
| 04:05.28 | brlcad | that's wierd |
| 04:05.50 | JeffM | suposed to take like 4 weeks or something |
| 04:05.54 | think_tank | JeffM is on the "Definitely NOT a terrorist" list |
| 04:05.55 | brlcad | maybe because of the massive backlog last year |
| 04:06.00 | JeffM | maybe |
| 04:06.16 | JeffM | think_tank: it could be cus of that weapons system I designed for em |
| 04:06.23 | think_tank | the turret one? |
| 04:06.35 | JeffM | no, they take too long to move |
| 04:06.44 | JeffM | magnetic lenses |
| 04:06.46 | brlcad | they were backed up more than 6 months when the declaration came out that passports for border crossings would be required, so they were hiring like mad |
| 04:06.47 | think_tank | oh THAT one. we can't talk about that one |
| 04:07.14 | think_tank | well if jeff got his in two weeks, time for me to apply now. been putting it off for years |
| 04:07.15 | JeffM | brlcad: and they are doing it for ground trips now too, so I figured they'd be swamped |
| 04:07.42 | JeffM | think_tank: a week and a day, I turned it in at the local post office on lunch of last friday. |
| 04:07.47 | think_tank | wow |
| 04:07.52 | JeffM | and it was in the mailbox today! |
| 04:07.58 | think_tank | it was running at 6 weeks before |
| 04:08.21 | brlcad | that's what I mean, ground trip border crossings, .mx and .ca |
| 04:08.23 | JeffM | I wonder if it helped that used the online form to print my application. |
| 04:08.44 | think_tank | hmm. i'll copy that action, just to be safe :) |
| 04:08.47 | JeffM | wonder if they have that electronic info they can pull up |
| 04:09.00 | JeffM | think_tank: it was a good form, makes it VERy easy |
| 04:09.03 | brlcad | that proclamation came out two years ago iirc, last fall was the deadline .. that's when there was massive backlog |
| 04:09.13 | think_tank | you can just mail it in? i thought you had to give an oath or something in person |
| 04:09.27 | JeffM | I printed the form, and took it to the post office |
| 04:09.29 | JeffM | in person |
| 04:09.32 | think_tank | ah |
| 04:09.34 | JeffM | you have to answer questions |
| 04:09.36 | JeffM | that's it |
| 04:09.39 | think_tank | sweet |
| 04:09.46 | think_tank | puts it on his todo list for tomorrow morning. |
| 04:22.30 | brlcad | AAA_awright: that was the original intent and what it still does for the most part -- it was originally designed such that anyone can vote by default (intentionally), only later changed to require that the user at least be "known" |
| 04:25.20 | AAA_awright | Now it checks for the vote permission, so when that was added, you didn't add it to the /poll command. |
| 04:25.24 | AAA_awright | Is that is brlcad? |
| 04:26.10 | brlcad | hm? |
| 04:26.37 | AAA_awright | When the vote permission was added, it wasn't added to /poll, only /vote? |
| 04:26.51 | brlcad | no |
| 04:27.47 | brlcad | poll is the main command with various subcommands (vote being one of them) but that wasn't the issue |
| 04:29.33 | AAA_awright | brlcad: you knew JeffM committed a fix too? |
| 04:29.42 | brlcad | just at one point it counts users to determine if the poll is valid based on count, among several other criteria |
| 04:29.46 | brlcad | yes, of course |
| 04:29.50 | JeffM | AAA_awright: I don't think mine was a fix, but more of a break to get it rolling ;) |
| 04:29.58 | AAA_awright | What was your edit then? I don't see what happened. |
| 04:30.00 | brlcad | hence cia notifications, and e-mail notifications.. |
| 04:30.16 | AAA_awright | Just checking ;) |
| 04:30.29 | JeffM | the voting arbiter scares me |
| 04:30.32 | brlcad | AAA_awright: read the source, read the diffs |
| 04:30.36 | AAA_awright | I did |
| 04:30.38 | brlcad | the arbiter rocks |
| 04:30.44 | JeffM | I'm sure it does |
| 04:30.53 | brlcad | it's really rather simple |
| 04:31.05 | JeffM | I just don't know enough about how the process works to follow it fully |
| 04:31.13 | JeffM | and I didn't care enough to learn it :) |
| 04:31.18 | AAA_awright | Oh, my diff program messed up, ndm |
| 04:31.47 | AAA_awright | That was wierd... It gave me two different outputs with the same diff command... |
| 04:32.04 | brlcad | the arbiter is just the rule-keeper for determining whether a poll can be held, and is the conduit for votes/actions |
| 04:32.22 | brlcad | the arbiter conducts the poll |
| 04:32.53 | brlcad | the voting booth is entirely generic, the arbiter enforces bz rules/requirements |
| 04:33.19 | AAA_awright | Would it be a good idea to move most of the commands to the bzfs api? |
| 04:33.41 | brlcad | what for? |
| 04:33.55 | AAA_awright | to modularize it a bit more, standardize it too |
| 04:33.58 | brlcad | you can already hook in new events if someone wanted |
| 04:34.10 | brlcad | eh, it is entirely modular atm |
| 04:34.28 | AAA_awright | You could swap out voting arbiter with a command, I mean |
| 04:34.31 | brlcad | most of the bzfs commands are inherintly modular |
| 04:36.21 | brlcad | you could also focus effort on something that needs it, what's you're point? :) |
| 04:37.08 | JeffM | brlcad: can you hook into the poll pass/fail? |
| 04:37.12 | JeffM | if so that's all you need |
| 04:37.13 | AAA_awright | I... guess I don't know |
| 04:37.39 | AAA_awright | What I am interested is can you program your own poll plugin to replace the existing one |
| 04:37.44 | brlcad | AAA_awright: sounds like you're looking for a problem to fit a solution instead of the other way around |
| 04:37.51 | JeffM | AAA_awright: how would you replace it? |
| 04:37.55 | AAA_awright | Woa |
| 04:38.23 | JeffM | what more do you need then knowing that one started, someone voited, and setting if it passed or failed. |
| 04:38.52 | JeffM | it'd be nice to have the API maybe overide the validity of a yes vote in case you wanted to check another perm. |
| 04:39.04 | AAA_awright | brlcad: It isn't much of a problem, I can't think of a reason I would want to replace the polling mechanism, but that functionality should be there I believe |
| 04:39.11 | brlcad | JeffM: I don't know wrt pass/fail hooks -- i certainly never added them, polls have been pretty much considered "done" as they do about all they need to do |
| 04:39.23 | AAA_awright | It isn't something I care about, though |
| 04:39.41 | brlcad | AAA_awright: that's really pointless if you don't have a reason |
| 04:39.43 | JeffM | brlcad: ahh, well it'd be cake to hook more events in if someone finds a real need. |
| 04:40.01 | brlcad | flexibility for the hell of it often just results in unnecessary complexity that can bog down development |
| 04:40.15 | brlcad | add it when someone has an honest need for it or it fixes some real problem |
| 04:42.32 | AAA_awright | brlcad: I have put some thought into making an intelligent tk-kick plugin, that watches for patterns in behavior. I might want to hook into the polling arbiter to be biased against team killers, for example. |
| 04:43.10 | AAA_awright | Haha http://radywire.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/organizational-behavior.jpg |
| 04:43.55 | brlcad | that's from like a decade or two ago |
| 04:43.59 | brlcad | great picture |
| 04:44.53 | Flash | some things never change |
| 04:44.56 | JeffM | brlcad: is the store database backed up? |
| 04:46.00 | brlcad | what's the db name? |
| 04:46.32 | JeffM | god I don't remember :( |
| 04:46.38 | bugQ | AAA just made my day, 10yo picture or no |
| 04:47.28 | bugQ | despite that my day is over... |
| 04:47.51 | JeffM | oh and SGI israel got there shirts and thank us :) |
| 04:49.23 | Flash | anyone have any experience walking g++ std::map in the debugger? |
| 04:50.36 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/1001384 |
| 04:51.41 | JeffM | I doubt the problem is in the map |
| 04:51.47 | JeffM | but in remove player |
| 04:52.18 | Flash | yeah, I'm suspecting the map got walked on, but I can't tell |
| 04:52.33 | JeffM | valgrind ;) |
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| 04:53.48 | JeffM | how hard is it to duplicate the crash? |
| 04:54.03 | Flash | I'm not 100% sure |
| 04:54.25 | Flash | I've had reliable crashes, but this is the first one I caught in the debugger that was even remotely coherent |
| 04:55.09 | Flash | but you need my Robots patch ;-) |
| 04:55.09 | JeffM | have you put a breakpoint in removePlayer? |
| 04:55.09 | Flash | nope |
| 04:55.09 | JeffM | and have you tried it in a clean brancH? |
| 04:55.44 | Flash | I need a robot |
| 04:56.00 | JeffM | the crash has to do with robots? |
| 04:56.01 | Flash | oh, and my client quit msg patch |
| 04:56.10 | JeffM | you need to narrow it down |
| 04:56.18 | JeffM | make a clean branch and see if you can dupe it |
| 04:56.25 | JeffM | if not, then it's probalby in your code. |
| 04:56.40 | JeffM | scientific method good chap ;) |
| 04:56.49 | Flash | ok.... but I haven't really changed the server |
| 04:58.10 | JeffM | then it should dupe just fine |
| 04:58.16 | JeffM | and that means I don't need your patches |
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| 05:08.23 | Flash | oh, that's not good |
| 05:08.42 | Flash | my clean branch can't find curses or SDL |
| 05:10.26 | brlcad | AAA_awright: the original: http://minsky.net/Tire%20swing%20cartoon.jpg |
| 05:10.32 | brlcad | and my bad, it predates 1970 |
| 05:20.46 | Flash | oops.... that was 2.0, not trunk |
| 05:21.27 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:24.18 | Flash | while I was waiting, I duped it in my existing build; same basic place, but different part of the map code (probably not there) |
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| 05:24.44 | Flash | I wonder if maybe the NetHandler was free'd when the first "me" quit? |
| 05:34.25 | Flash | ok, first thing is in the "clean" branch, the server doesn't get the MsgExit message (see patch) |
| 05:34.41 | Flash | but the crash was on the second termination, which was timed out anyway, so I'll wait for that |
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| 05:38.18 | Flash | ok, totally clean branch, same place |
| 05:39.11 | Flash | dazzles JeffM with science |
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| 06:10.07 | Flash | sure enough, NetHandler is used after destruction. |
| 06:10.13 | Flash | that's a bad plan.... |
| 06:10.51 | blast007 | what is it used for? |
| 06:11.04 | Flash | it's part of the Player data structure |
| 06:11.18 | Flash | trying to send a MsgSuperKill to the idle/timed out player |
| 06:12.14 | Flash | what I don't know at the moment is how it gets put in the Player structure |
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| 06:31.34 | Flash | it looks like the server is using a single NetHandler, but multiple clients share it |
| 06:31.49 | Flash | of course, all my clients are on the same machine, so I haven't really stressed this |
| 06:32.07 | Flash | it's possible that a different IP address might yield a different NetHandler |
| 06:32.36 | Flash | however, there appears to be a belief that NetHandler is unique to a player |
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| 06:44.56 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r974 10/trunk/ (90 files in 4 dirs): |
| 06:44.56 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Moved header files that are not required by library clients into src/ |
| 06:44.56 | CIA-32 | FTGL: so that they do not get installed. |
| 06:44.56 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Created an ftgl.h header that allows clients to #include <FTGL/ftgl.h> and |
| 06:44.56 | CIA-32 | FTGL: be done with it. |
| 06:59.00 | Lukstr | sam: you don't sleep much, do you? |
| 07:13.43 | sam | Lukstr: actually I did that yesterday and fell asleep on it :) |
| 07:14.02 | Lukstr | heh |
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| 11:18.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r975 10/trunk/ (include/FTGLBitmapFont.h src/FTGLBitmapFont.cpp): |
| 11:18.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Remove useless overriden methods in FTGLBitmapFont that reimplemented |
| 11:18.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: the same thing as in FTFont. |
| 11:30.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r976 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:30.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Remove dead code: FTGLBufferFont and FTBufferGlyph are the same as |
| 11:30.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: FTGLPixmapFont and FTPixmapGLyph, except the latter are actually used |
| 11:30.26 | CIA-32 | FTGL: and do work. |
| 11:56.16 | sam | brlcad: by the way, I'm all for dropping the LGPL, since MIT is more than enough for any use |
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| 12:00.14 | slipknot | lol |
| 12:52.29 | ruskie | sam, other than protecting from someone blatantly picking up the code and using it for wahetver they want withouth giving back... |
| 12:53.42 | sam | ruskie: FTGL is dual-licensed already, so they can already pick MIT if they don't want to contribute back |
| 12:54.32 | ruskie | well but having lgpl is incentive to contribute back :) |
| 12:55.14 | sam | sure. |
| 12:56.21 | sam | I only use GPL/LGPL for very strategic stuff, all the rest is BSD/MIT/WTFPL |
| 12:58.12 | sam | god I hate C++ |
| 13:26.20 | brlcad | sam: hehe, feel the c++ love :) |
| 13:26.42 | brlcad | yeah, the lgpl dual-licensing really doesn't make any sense |
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| 13:38.48 | sam | brlcad: I'm stuck in my bridge/pimpl refactoring |
| 13:39.04 | sam | basically I end up with this: http://paste.debian.net/1830/ |
| 13:40.03 | sam | and I have no idea how to make Interface an abstract class that cannot be instantiated |
| 13:40.26 | sam | without adding cruft, that is |
| 13:40.29 | [dmp] | void DoStuff() = 0; |
| 13:41.20 | [dmp] | sam: try http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc/language/ref/cplr142.htm |
| 13:41.21 | sam | but that means I need to reimplement DoStuff in all derived classes |
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| 13:42.15 | sam | [dmp]: I know the C++ technicalities; my question is more about design and best practices :) |
| 13:42.33 | [dmp] | aah |
| 13:42.36 | [dmp] | :) |
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| 13:53.13 | sam | ah! |
| 13:53.50 | sam | [dmp]: making Interface's constructor protected prevents accidental instantiation |
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| 14:31.46 | menotume | brlcad: mysql down ? |
| 14:33.42 | brad | no |
| 14:33.57 | brad | ~lart menotume |
| 14:33.57 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets menotume feel it |
| 14:36.57 | AAA_awright | lol |
| 14:39.32 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r977 10/trunk/ (71 files in 5 dirs): |
| 14:39.32 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Since the MIT license is LGPL-compatible, there is no real point in |
| 14:39.32 | CIA-32 | FTGL: shipping FTGL under a dual license. Consequently removing LGPL references |
| 14:39.32 | CIA-32 | FTGL: from the code, in agreement with Sean. |
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| 14:57.29 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r978 10/trunk/ (include/FTLayout.h src/FTGlue.cpp): |
| 14:57.29 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Fix the ftglLayoutRenderSpace C binding's prototype, which wasn't in sync |
| 14:57.29 | CIA-32 | FTGL: with its implementation in FTGlue.cpp. |
| 14:57.45 | SportChick | !lart menotume |
| 15:04.50 | menotume | *something* was 'down' |
| 15:04.56 | menotume | works now though |
| 15:19.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03bzspldart * r17100 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HelpMenu.cxx: Update Offa into bzflag help |
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| 15:32.10 | SportChick | ~lart menotume |
| 15:32.10 | ibot | --purges menotume |
| 15:32.35 | brad | ~eat menotume |
| 15:32.36 | ibot | That's too disgusting. |
| 15:32.51 | brad | oh, ok then |
| 15:34.19 | spldart | ~eat McDonalds dollar menu |
| 15:34.19 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the McDonalds dollar menu available |
| 15:35.27 | brad | lol |
| 15:43.47 | spldart | Anyone else notice svn or sourceforge for that matter being slow? |
| 15:44.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r979 10/trunk/ (24 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:44.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Clean up the C bindings by splitting FTGlue.cpp into FTLayoutGlue.cpp, |
| 15:44.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: FTGlyphGlue.cpp (unused yet) and FTFontGlue.cpp. C methods previously |
| 15:44.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: scattered all around are now located in one of these 3 files. |
| 15:44.50 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Hide extern "C" and namespace C constructs in a single FTGL_BEGIN_C_DECLS |
| 15:44.53 | CIA-32 | FTGL: macro. |
| 15:44.55 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Use namespace FTGL all around instead of a mix of C and FTGL namespaces. |
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| 15:48.16 | catay | I had a similar crash as flash his pastebin post |
| 15:48.44 | catay | i'm actually trying to find out the last 4 days why my bzfs crashes when a banned player tries to rejoin :) |
| 15:50.11 | menotume | ~lart menotume |
| 15:50.11 | ibot | executes killall -TERM menotume |
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| 15:52.12 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hi |
| 15:52.17 | catay | I think the reason it crashes it because bufferedSend() tires to send the banmessage while the player is already removed |
| 15:52.18 | spldart | Hi |
| 15:52.29 | Dontkillmeimabeg | who makes server? |
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| 15:52.49 | spldart | Your average competant joe makes a server :) |
| 15:52.55 | spldart | Why do you ask? |
| 15:52.58 | Dontkillmeimabeg | ??? |
| 15:53.06 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i make a server |
| 15:53.15 | Dontkillmeimabeg | but the commands are wrong |
| 15:53.18 | spldart | If you want.. many have |
| 15:53.28 | spldart | Ah.. so your looking for setup help |
| 15:53.37 | Dontkillmeimabeg | can you say me a server-maker? |
| 15:54.40 | brad | http://groupdb.links-clan.net/bzfs_conf.php |
| 15:54.47 | brad | if you want the config |
| 15:54.58 | spldart | + Have you read up on the vast information available through the helps and on bzbb? |
| 15:58.20 | Dontkillmeimabeg | no |
| 15:58.25 | Dontkillmeimabeg | dont help me |
| 15:59.04 | MathHat | ... |
| 15:59.19 | JeffM | Dontkillmeimabeg, what exactly are you wanting us to do for you? |
| 16:01.48 | Dontkillmeimabeg | ive builded conf. |
| 16:01.54 | Dontkillmeimabeg | what can i do now? |
| 16:02.04 | Dontkillmeimabeg | be right back! |
| 16:02.37 | JeffM | Dontkillmeimabeg, read the articles on the wiki, they give you a step by step. If you don't understand the computer specific things, then you should learn more about how your OS works. |
| 16:09.12 | blast007 | they're the one that was trying to use stuff like -mp 10000 and -ms 10000000000 :P |
| 16:09.28 | blast007 | heh, and -publiclist no |
| 16:11.05 | blast007 | .... and they keep PM'ing me their config and saying "it doesn't work" |
| 16:12.25 | JeffM | then it sounds like it's an anoyance case |
| 16:13.39 | blast007 | they've always been an annoyance. they were telling people on my server "dont kill me or i ban you" |
| 16:13.48 | blast007 | s/me/my/ |
| 16:13.53 | JeffM | then ban time |
| 16:14.01 | JeffM | what's the bzbb name? |
| 16:14.10 | blast007 | Dont kill me im a beginer |
| 16:14.28 | spldart | Seen him around |
| 16:15.26 | Dontkillmeimabeg | back |
| 16:16.01 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Dont kill me im a beginer im my BZ Flag name |
| 16:16.06 | JeffM | we know |
| 16:16.10 | JeffM | please answer my private message |
| 16:17.49 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:17.57 | JeffM | 's BS detector goes off |
| 16:18.19 | JeffM | he's been warned |
| 16:18.22 | blast007 | they're from germany, so their English might not be the best |
| 16:18.32 | JeffM | I doubt that |
| 16:18.40 | blast007 | well, that's just the way it seems |
| 16:18.47 | JeffM | yes I know that is the way it seems |
| 16:18.56 | JeffM | but something is fisshy |
| 16:19.21 | spldart | I agree. But wasn't sure enough to say on my own. Still not totally |
| 16:19.31 | JeffM | he's been warned |
| 16:19.38 | JeffM | if he gets anoying let me know |
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| 16:40.55 | donny_baker | fixes the MOTD because there is no April 31st ;) |
| 16:45.07 | catay | hehe |
| 16:49.02 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r980 10/trunk/ (22 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:49.02 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * More cleanup following the private pointer refactoring: |
| 16:49.02 | CIA-32 | FTGL: + Removed private type enums from the public ftgl.h header. |
| 16:49.02 | CIA-32 | FTGL: + Protected all private implementation ctors and dtors. |
| 16:49.02 | CIA-32 | FTGL: + Prevent accidental initialisation of the base classes by protecting |
| 16:49.03 | CIA-32 | FTGL: their constructors. Derived classes can still be properly instantiated. |
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| 16:52.13 | JeffM | he lives! |
| 16:53.27 | Erroneous | waves and bows |
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| 16:58.58 | blast007 | o.O |
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| 17:11.01 | whodaman | donny_baker, also, it's not a "1vs1 *CTF* Tournament |
| 17:11.03 | whodaman | just take that out |
| 17:12.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r981 10/trunk/ (76 files in 6 dirs): |
| 17:12.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Move FTGlyph, FTFont and FTLayout classes and their derivatives into |
| 17:12.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: separate subdirectories of src/ to avoid cluttering src/ with too many |
| 17:12.01 | CIA-32 | FTGL: files. The Visual Studio solution still needs an update. |
| 17:13.53 | donny_baker | whodaman: done |
| 17:14.58 | whodaman | woo |
| 17:15.01 | whodaman | ~donny_baker++ |
| 17:17.45 | catay | I think I found the reason why a banned player never gets a ban message when he tries to rejoin |
| 17:17.57 | catay | the client never gets the MsgReject as it's already removed |
| 17:18.45 | catay | and i think it's also responsible for crashing my bzfs in bufferedSend() |
| 17:19.01 | blast007 | fun |
| 17:19.02 | catay | but i have no idea how to fix it |
| 17:22.46 | catay | Is there a way to flush all the pending messages in the bzfs buffer for one particular player? |
| 17:26.54 | JeffM | not really |
| 17:27.09 | JeffM | it would not be a bad thing to add |
| 17:27.26 | JeffM | and then perhaps a flag that just kills them when it's done |
| 17:27.43 | JeffM | so like a flushAndRemove method |
| 17:29.25 | catay | not sure i'm able to add that, it took me 3 days to find out the above issue :) |
| 17:29.48 | catay | but i'm glad i did it, got me some basic insight in how the messaging works |
| 17:30.08 | JeffM | it'll get easier each time :) |
| 17:31.50 | catay | hehe |
| 18:35.23 | Birdie | did some bzbb admin just removed a topic? |
| 18:35.23 | Birdie | i cant find the topic back i just replied to |
| 18:35.41 | JeffM | Birdie, that was me |
| 18:35.44 | JeffM | I sent him a PM |
| 18:35.56 | JeffM | we don't discuss bans in public |
| 18:35.57 | Birdie | ah ok |
| 18:36.09 | Birdie | told him to send his ip to me? |
| 18:36.09 | JeffM | even if he's not the intended banner, always in PM |
| 18:36.12 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:36.15 | Birdie | its just a rangeban, he didnt do anything wrong |
| 18:36.19 | JeffM | I know |
| 18:36.20 | JeffM | but still |
| 18:36.27 | Birdie | yea ok no problem |
| 18:36.30 | JeffM | tha'ts private server pollicy, NOT public stuff |
| 18:37.06 | Birdie | maybe he doesnt knew who he had to talk to |
| 18:37.14 | JeffM | I know |
| 18:37.27 | JeffM | that's why the PM |
| 18:37.36 | Birdie | ok |
| 18:37.38 | Birdie | thx |
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| 18:38.58 | JeffM | techincaly the ban message should say who banned him |
| 18:39.04 | JeffM | so he would have that |
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| 18:40.30 | Birdie | on bzf it somethimes "bzf", who is the player who banned him, which is the server. |
| 18:40.34 | Birdie | no idea how uso does that |
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| 18:47.13 | brlcad | menotume: not that I'm aware of .. seems to be okay here |
| 18:49.00 | brad | Birdie: it's bzadmin :P |
| 18:50.06 | Birdie | brad: oops |
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| 20:17.25 | Winny | ugh... SP3 breaks custom themes |
| 20:22.05 | Winny | Not sure if it will still boot after installing SP3, I'd imagine so |
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| 22:01.35 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC participants: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/bzflag/about.html || Students should add their projects to the wiki for review |
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| 22:39.46 | brlcad | ~sam++ |
| 22:44.12 | sam | hey :) |
| 22:45.31 | sam | brlcad: I would like to release an RC tarball pretty soon so that users can test whether their project still build |
| 22:46.37 | brlcad | updating/integrating with bzflag's sources would be a good test bed beforehand |
| 22:47.16 | brlcad | should be a pretty simple matter of updating the embedded sources and recompiling if the FTFont interface hasn't changed |
| 22:48.41 | brlcad | lemme know if you're willing to give it a go, else I'll see if I can work on that tomorrow or next |
| 22:49.48 | sam | it shouldn't have changed, I can give it a try tomorrow |
| 22:50.04 | sam | not right now: it's 1am here, so bedtime soon |
| 22:59.44 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r984 10/trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs): * Wrote C bindings for the FTGlyph class. |
| 23:08.16 | CIA-32 | FTGL: 03sammy * r985 10/trunk/ (.gitignore configure.ac test/ test/CTest.c test/Makefile.am): |
| 23:08.16 | CIA-32 | FTGL: * Small C test program. It does not do anything yet, but it's already a good |
| 23:08.16 | CIA-32 | FTGL: thing to know whether all public headers can be #included from C code. |
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| 23:10.01 | Hattori | hello |
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