| 00:00.04 | JeffM | always lift up the boot oposite of the hand your grabing wire with :) |
| 00:00.26 | drrobotnik | I have experienced 12volt in a computer. |
| 00:00.33 | blast007 | I hear you're supposed to use your teeth |
| 00:00.39 | drrobotnik | Tingly. |
| 00:00.39 | awilcox | luckily I haven't. |
| 00:00.48 | awilcox | blast007: Erm, then you get saliva. |
| 00:00.50 | awilcox | Water. |
| 00:00.52 | awilcox | Buzzzzz. |
| 00:00.56 | drrobotnik | ZAP |
| 00:01.03 | drrobotnik | Burn Smell |
| 00:01.05 | JeffM | awilcox, water is an isnulator |
| 00:01.15 | drrobotnik | Really? I thought it conducts. |
| 00:01.22 | JeffM | no, the impurities in it do |
| 00:01.29 | awilcox | heh. |
| 00:01.35 | awilcox | I thought it had to do with the hydrogen atoms |
| 00:01.51 | JeffM | those would be impurities |
| 00:01.51 | awilcox | gah, I don't remember enough chemistry to continue this conversation |
| 00:01.58 | blast007 | that's why I always douse myself in purified water before playing with stray wires |
| 00:02.06 | blast007 | twitches |
| 00:02.11 | blast007 | and I'm fine! |
| 00:02.14 | awilcox | hahaha |
| 00:02.17 | JeffM | blast007, that makes YOU the impurity ;) |
| 00:02.23 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:02.25 | awilcox | touches blast007 and feels shocked |
| 00:02.33 | awilcox | so that's why you were trying to sell his kisses! |
| 00:02.46 | JeffM | no we wern't |
| 00:02.49 | blast007 | no, we were trying to sell brlcad's |
| 00:02.53 | awilcox | ohhhhh |
| 00:02.59 | blast007 | that other guy that starts with a b |
| 00:03.01 | awilcox | I get you two mixed up. |
| 00:03.03 | Erroneous | even pure water is mildly conductive (1/20 mS or so) |
| 00:03.08 | awilcox | you're the b guys :p |
| 00:03.43 | Erroneous | impurities just make it much more so (most tapwater is ~100mS iirc) |
| 00:04.03 | JeffM | damns autocycles to heck and back |
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| 00:05.05 | drrobotnik | I have 1 quick question. |
| 00:05.26 | JeffM | and it is? |
| 00:05.30 | drrobotnik | Due to some odd actvivity on my server, I would like to log it. |
| 00:05.42 | drrobotnik | The only issue, is that there is no clear way to do this. |
| 00:05.44 | JeffM | chat? or debug output? |
| 00:05.49 | drrobotnik | chat. |
| 00:06.00 | blast007 | I think -d should get chat |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:06.11 | drrobotnik | It is not the software that is the issue. It is the people ;) |
| 00:06.11 | JeffM | then just pipe it to a file |
| 00:06.14 | blast007 | add -d to your config, and redirec to a file |
| 00:06.17 | drrobotnik | On windows? |
| 00:06.20 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:06.20 | drrobotnik | so it would be |
| 00:06.25 | JeffM | -d > some.file |
| 00:06.26 | drrobotnik | -d "C:/ bla |
| 00:06.29 | JeffM | no |
| 00:06.34 | JeffM | -d adds debug to the output |
| 00:06.38 | JeffM | > redirects |
| 00:06.41 | blast007 | bzfs -conf whaterever.conf > yourlog.txt |
| 00:06.43 | JeffM | then you give the redirect the filename |
| 00:06.47 | blast007 | with -d in your con |
| 00:06.50 | blast007 | conf* |
| 00:06.50 | drrobotnik | ok |
| 00:06.52 | JeffM | the > and file are part of windows not bzflag |
| 00:06.59 | Erroneous | wonders if > even shows up for the web client |
| 00:07.09 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:07.16 | blast007 | it might not |
| 00:07.22 | JeffM | bzflag does not as of yet have a wicket cool loging system like brlcad promiced so long ago :) |
| 00:07.26 | Erroneous | wonders if > works any better |
| 00:07.50 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:07.57 | Erroneous | yay logging |
| 00:08.03 | JeffM | a chatlog plugin would be cake to write tho |
| 00:08.05 | blast007 | drrobotnik: that key with the arrowy thing that points to the right |
| 00:08.10 | drrobotnik | Perhaps for version 3 |
| 00:08.12 | blast007 | shift + . |
| 00:08.12 | drrobotnik | I know |
| 00:08.15 | blast007 | k |
| 00:08.22 | JeffM | I'm betting > works in webchat ;) |
| 00:08.28 | drrobotnik | yes |
| 00:08.30 | blast007 | JeffM: some characters don't |
| 00:08.36 | JeffM | and some do :) |
| 00:08.43 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:08.48 | drrobotnik | It is working in Mac OS Mozilla firefox, so it should work on other platforms. |
| 00:08.55 | Erroneous | wouldn't surprise me terribly either way...just wanted to make sure there wasn't some terrible miscommunication here :) |
| 00:09.15 | drrobotnik | nope |
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| 00:10.15 | Erroneous | pronounces curses upon vista |
| 00:10.20 | drrobotnik | Yes |
| 00:10.38 | drrobotnik | I pronounce curses on microsoft! |
| 00:10.38 | JeffM | does not trade with Erroneous |
| 00:10.42 | blast007 | Vista is ausom |
| 00:10.52 | JeffM | blast007, he's doing vista certification |
| 00:11.06 | blast007 | which one? |
| 00:11.08 | Erroneous | JeffM: at least your problems are something we have SOME control over :) |
| 00:11.09 | blast007 | 70-620? |
| 00:11.14 | drrobotnik | Are you joking? By far it is the most buggy os. I prefer NT 4. |
| 00:11.26 | JeffM | drrobotnik, yes but they don't sell that anymore |
| 00:11.39 | JeffM | and marketing wants us vista certified |
| 00:11.40 | Erroneous | NT4 had its own share of issues |
| 00:11.46 | drrobotnik | Too bad they dont sell it anymore. |
| 00:11.52 | blast007 | "where's the device manager?" |
| 00:11.55 | Erroneous | and we don't support it anymore, whereas we do support vista (theoretically) |
| 00:12.03 | drrobotnik | Only issue was lack of directX and openGL |
| 00:12.03 | JeffM | Erroneous, yes we hav controll over it, and I probalby broke it :) |
| 00:12.11 | Erroneous | and marketing wants the shiny logo |
| 00:12.15 | drrobotnik | and Plug and play. |
| 00:12.20 | blast007 | drrobotnik: and device manager |
| 00:12.30 | JeffM | and vendor support |
| 00:12.34 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:12.36 | Erroneous | plug and play is kind of a serious issue, y'know :) |
| 00:12.51 | JeffM | "no sir, we don't make nt drivers for that video card" |
| 00:13.18 | Erroneous | and given that we had all our NT servers set up to reboot every weekend, I suspect there were a few reliability issues too |
| 00:13.29 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:13.38 | drrobotnik | I started up the server, it closes on opening |
| 00:13.53 | blast007 | run in a command prompt and read the error then |
| 00:14.04 | blast007 | s/in/from/ |
| 00:14.30 | drrobotnik | Well, one issue is the lack of right click in VNC from my mac. |
| 00:14.37 | drrobotnik | Left |
| 00:14.38 | drrobotnik | Typo |
| 00:14.43 | drrobotnik | no |
| 00:14.45 | drrobotnik | Nevermind |
| 00:14.56 | blast007 | plug in a real mouse |
| 00:15.05 | blast007 | your OS supports more than one button, ya know |
| 00:15.07 | Erroneous | decides we need to hire someone else before we do windows 7 certification, and make the new guy do it :) |
| 00:15.17 | drrobotnik | PS2 into a USB port? |
| 00:15.19 | JeffM | Erroneous, dave can do it |
| 00:15.28 | Erroneous | dave has a lot to do |
| 00:15.35 | drrobotnik | That wont work. I have one usb mouse someplace. |
| 00:15.37 | JeffM | drrobotnik, get a 3 button USB mouse |
| 00:15.44 | JeffM | aka a real mouse |
| 00:15.52 | JeffM | noone uses PS2 anymore |
| 00:15.53 | Erroneous | or one of those nifty ps/2->usb converters |
| 00:16.01 | JeffM | most motherobards don't even have the port |
| 00:18.12 | drrobotnik | does the log have to be in the BZFS folder or in the config folder? |
| 00:18.16 | drrobotnik | I did it like this |
| 00:18.18 | JeffM | drrobotnik, no |
| 00:18.23 | JeffM | it has NOTHING to do with bzxflag |
| 00:18.27 | drrobotnik | > "C:/log.txt" |
| 00:18.28 | JeffM | it's a dos box thing |
| 00:18.43 | JeffM | probalby don't need the quotes |
| 00:18.53 | Erroneous | they won't hurt anything |
| 00:18.59 | Erroneous | but you can't do it in a shortcut |
| 00:18.59 | JeffM | but yeah that shold work |
| 00:19.03 | Erroneous | you have to do it from the commandline |
| 00:19.07 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:19.08 | Erroneous | or a batch file |
| 00:19.18 | JeffM | hence it being a dos box thing ;) |
| 00:19.27 | drrobotnik | grrrrr. still does not work. I am editing the shortcut. |
| 00:19.33 | JeffM | you can't do that drrobotnik |
| 00:19.37 | JeffM | you have to do it in the terminal |
| 00:19.42 | JeffM | or use a batch file |
| 00:19.42 | drrobotnik | ok |
| 00:19.48 | Erroneous | quotes himself: <Erroneous> but you can't do it in a shortcut |
| 00:19.52 | drrobotnik | cmd.exe............ |
| 00:19.54 | JeffM | it's a feature of the dosbox |
| 00:19.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:20.08 | Erroneous | or use a batch file |
| 00:20.18 | JeffM | witch calls the dosbox on start :) |
| 00:20.19 | Erroneous | then you don't have to type it every time |
| 00:20.33 | Erroneous | dosbox != cmd :) |
| 00:20.38 | JeffM | close enough |
| 00:20.42 | drrobotnik | What about run? |
| 00:20.44 | JeffM | for "coloquial" use |
| 00:20.49 | drrobotnik | will that work or no. |
| 00:20.51 | JeffM | drrobotnik, probalby not |
| 00:20.56 | Erroneous | dunno. probably not |
| 00:20.57 | JeffM | make a batch file |
| 00:21.02 | drrobotnik | ok then |
| 00:21.41 | drrobotnik | I opened a new txt file. I will save it as a .bat |
| 00:21.57 | drrobotnik | So, what should the first line be? -config? |
| 00:22.13 | JeffM | cd |
| 00:22.17 | JeffM | to the dir where bzflag is |
| 00:22.24 | JeffM | or the full bzflag path |
| 00:22.34 | JeffM | it's basicly the same as the shortcut |
| 00:22.37 | blast007 | or just put the bat file inside the bzflag directory ;) |
| 00:22.41 | blast007 | then you don't have to CD |
| 00:22.59 | JeffM | yeah then just bzfs -conf yayay yada |
| 00:26.22 | drrobotnik | I give up. the pc is being so picky. I guess it is vnc. |
| 00:26.34 | JeffM | doubtfull |
| 00:26.51 | JeffM | why are you hosting on windows anyway? |
| 00:27.36 | drrobotnik | A. I hate Linux. I tried hard to like it. Just too much work to get 1 app working |
| 00:27.48 | JeffM | yet you use a mac.. that's funny |
| 00:27.54 | drrobotnik | I know it is unix |
| 00:27.58 | JeffM | windows is not the best OS for hosting bzflag |
| 00:28.01 | JeffM | it will have issues |
| 00:28.12 | JeffM | and you will have to use the command promt a lot |
| 00:28.13 | Erroneous | bzfs on windows is fussy |
| 00:28.18 | drrobotnik | hm |
| 00:28.21 | drrobotnik | I gtg |
| 00:28.27 | Erroneous | requires lots of care and feeding |
| 00:28.29 | JeffM | dinner time I'd guess |
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| 00:54.41 | spldart | Vista is ausom?!?! |
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| 01:01.13 | awilcox | spldart: hi. |
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| 01:09.53 | spldart | Hi Dee Ho! |
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| 01:23.30 | blast007 | spldart: yeah, I like vista |
| 01:23.40 | blast007 | though I don't use it much, so maybe that's why |
| 01:25.47 | spldart | Don't mind me right now.. I'm being an e.d. |
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| 02:28.45 | brlcad | viva la revolución! |
| 02:29.14 | brlcad | yay logging |
| 02:29.15 | brlcad | who what? |
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| 02:35.51 | spldart | viva la victory |
| 02:43.01 | spldart | Viva le shocker? |
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| 03:08.42 | awilcox | Viva la confusión |
| 03:09.07 | awilcox | viva la vida loca! :p |
| 03:09.40 | AAA_awright | Where do you get to set the spawn policy? |
| 03:10.04 | awilcox | in the bzfs config, probably. |
| 03:10.16 | AAA_awright | I can't see any config opition for it |
| 03:10.33 | AAA_awright | except -sb |
| 03:12.04 | AAA_awright | I want to enable Dangerous spawn, just for kicks :D |
| 03:15.56 | awilcox | 21 months ago, \NEWS file modified: "BZFlag 2.1.x * Added 'Dangerous' server-side spawn policy - Sean Morrison" |
| 03:16.06 | awilcox | AAA_awright: so first I have to ask, are you on trunk? |
| 03:16.14 | AAA_awright | Yes |
| 03:16.44 | awilcox | good boy! now if you are smart enough to compile trunk and run it, you are smart enough to Use The Source, Luke and figure out how to turn it on yourself :p |
| 03:16.58 | AAA_awright | Heh |
| 03:17.16 | AAA_awright | I'm lookin, there is no good way it seems... |
| 03:17.49 | awilcox | Hm. |
| 03:18.00 | awilcox | This is going to sound strange but I can't believe Jeff has a last name O_o |
| 03:18.13 | AAA_awright | Heh |
| 03:18.21 | DTRemenak|RDP | what, you just thought he was "the jeff" |
| 03:18.32 | awilcox | DTRemenak|RDP: yes :P |
| 03:18.53 | awilcox | DTRemenak: just like you are the crazy coder and I am the wilcox :P |
| 03:18.58 | AAA_awright | Yeah, you didn't know it's M2501? |
| 03:19.04 | awilcox | or I am at least a Wilcox. |
| 03:19.37 | awilcox | needs to have 'anotherwilcox' as his backup nick |
| 03:19.38 | DTRemenak | AAA_awright: -spawnPolicy <policy> |
| 03:20.02 | AAA_awright | DTRemenak: k, In trunk right? I don't see it in 2.0 |
| 03:20.08 | DTRemenak | turnk |
| 03:20.10 | DTRemenak | trunk even |
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| 03:20.22 | AAA_awright | k |
| 03:20.43 | awilcox | you know office would have said 'Did you mean _turnkey_?' |
| 03:20.43 | AAA_awright | svn up and compile... watch... fun. |
| 03:20.59 | AAA_awright | Anyone ever watch the output of make long enough to see faces and abstract art? |
| 03:21.13 | DTRemenak | never did quite enough LSD for that |
| 03:21.22 | awilcox | AAA_awright: I've never gotten that high. |
| 03:21.27 | AAA_awright | ;) |
| 03:21.28 | awilcox | aw DT stole my funny :P |
| 03:21.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:21.55 | awilcox | however I've gotten it to go fast enough to look like the matrix |
| 03:22.05 | DTRemenak | "make -s -j3" ftw |
| 03:22.25 | AAA_awright | Hm, that would be an interesting piece in a "modern" gallery... "Gnu on black canvas" |
| 03:22.28 | awilcox | DTRemenak: actually it was doing xproto (or whatever they call it now) on lappy, didn't even run -j3 |
| 03:22.41 | DTRemenak | awilcox: -s means "silent" :P |
| 03:22.51 | DTRemenak | prefers his makes -s |
| 03:22.52 | awilcox | haha. |
| 03:23.10 | awilcox | likes seeing output just to know the stupid thing is still _doing_ something...at least on the laptop |
| 03:23.24 | DTRemenak | or >/dev/null |
| 03:23.32 | awilcox | dangit I have this quad-core and I've not even compiled bz on it :( |
| 03:23.33 | DTRemenak | if -s is broken |
| 03:23.47 | AAA_awright | -s still outputs a little |
| 03:24.01 | DTRemenak | yeah...it should output subdir changes, but nothing else |
| 03:24.02 | AAA_awright | from make, not gcc I think is what it does |
| 03:24.18 | awilcox | we need nightly tarballs. svn is pain on Win32. |
| 03:24.26 | DTRemenak | for some projects (like bzflag for a while) it had no effect whatsoever (that's when I did >/dev/null) |
| 03:24.43 | DTRemenak | awilcox: tortoise or ankh |
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| 03:24.44 | AAA_awright | awilcox: Use TortoiseSVN? |
| 03:24.50 | DTRemenak | if it's a windows system, use windows tools |
| 03:24.57 | AAA_awright | Exactly |
| 03:24.58 | awilcox | ankh is good for inside VS.NET. |
| 03:25.00 | DTRemenak | don't try to use a hammer on your screws |
| 03:25.29 | awilcox | tortoise is quite annoying, but meh what choice do I have. |
| 03:25.31 | awilcox | ~bzsvn |
| 03:25.31 | ibot | bzsvn is, like, http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 03:25.36 | DTRemenak | sadly true |
| 03:25.43 | DTRemenak | is not a fan of shell extensions |
| 03:25.49 | DTRemenak | but it's the "windows way" |
| 03:25.51 | DTRemenak | so meh |
| 03:25.53 | awilcox | too many hooks for my comfort :P |
| 03:26.16 | awilcox | I mean I've specifically killed tortoise only to have it reappear as soon as I launch explorer |
| 03:26.21 | AAA_awright | If it is implemented correctly, it is the ideal way. You are supposed to use the file explorer to do that sort of stuff... |
| 03:26.28 | awilcox | doooooood...if I killed the task it means I want it dead! |
| 03:26.39 | AAA_awright | That said how many extensions actually follow a standard |
| 03:27.17 | awilcox | actually WinZIP does it pretty well, as does most Microsoft extensions. |
| 03:27.21 | AAA_awright | awilcox: You have to use the A-Bomb kill option. If that fails, try Chuck Norris. (sorry) |
| 03:27.43 | awilcox | a little overkill for a stupid tortoise. |
| 03:28.46 | DTRemenak | tortoises are tough |
| 03:28.49 | awilcox | "You must restart this computer for changes to effect." |
| 03:28.54 | DTRemenak | how else do they live for centuries? |
| 03:29.02 | awilcox | ...Say no, open explorer, boom. it's done. |
| 03:29.15 | awilcox | I hate useless reboot prompts, it doesn't even need a reboot |
| 03:29.16 | JeffM | if you don't want explorer integration, then don't use tort |
| 03:29.27 | JeffM | you can try to just use ankh |
| 03:29.30 | JeffM | it may work on it's own |
| 03:29.41 | awilcox | JeffM: I don't really see another option for Win32 UI without integrating with VS |
| 03:29.53 | awilcox | last I knew ankh was a literal Visual Studio plug-in |
| 03:29.57 | JeffM | yes |
| 03:30.11 | JeffM | there are command line SVN tools |
| 03:30.17 | JeffM | view SVN or something like that |
| 03:30.23 | JeffM | sorry gui SVN tools |
| 03:30.24 | JeffM | they suck |
| 03:30.27 | JeffM | but they exist |
| 03:30.43 | awilcox | still has horrible nightmares about kdesvn |
| 03:30.53 | JeffM | what compiler are you using? |
| 03:30.58 | awilcox | they meant well enough by that, but oh my gosh the instability. |
| 03:31.32 | awilcox | JeffM: er, VC71 most likely. unless I install 8.0 before the checkout completes |
| 03:31.46 | JeffM | then what is wrong with VC integration? |
| 03:32.28 | awilcox | I dislike VS plugins almost as much as shell extensions. |
| 03:32.49 | awilcox | it's sort of like a dog with his territory. back away from the IDE. |
| 03:32.51 | JeffM | then if you want stability, you are looking at command line |
| 03:32.56 | JeffM | just do that |
| 03:33.28 | awilcox | okay JeffM, it's been a while, which VC solution am I supposed to open :/ |
| 03:33.29 | DTRemenak | awilcox: you know c# right? why not give the SVNExpert people a hand? http://svnexpert.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:33.44 | DTRemenak | likes a lot of the design of SVNExpert |
| 03:33.49 | DTRemenak | it's not really finished though |
| 03:33.54 | JeffM | awilcox: you are in vc 2003? (7.1) ? |
| 03:34.19 | awilcox | yes. |
| 03:34.31 | awilcox | is it 'bzflag' or just 'client'? |
| 03:34.35 | DTRemenak | but it is pretty usable |
| 03:34.38 | JeffM | waht do you want to build? |
| 03:34.44 | JeffM | all of bzflag? or just the client? |
| 03:34.59 | awilcox | I want to try to play bzflag trunk on my decent computer. |
| 03:35.02 | awilcox | so just the client. |
| 03:35.19 | JeffM | then you just answered your own question |
| 03:35.30 | JeffM | but you should know that the VC7.1 project is not up to date |
| 03:35.38 | awilcox | *sigh* |
| 03:35.44 | JeffM | not many of us use it anymore |
| 03:35.48 | awilcox | does that mean it won't build? |
| 03:35.53 | JeffM | it means I don't know |
| 03:35.58 | DTRemenak | it should build |
| 03:36.05 | DTRemenak | if it doesn't, post a patch :) |
| 03:36.08 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:36.11 | awilcox | okay. |
| 03:36.17 | JeffM | I'm just letting you know that we don't use it much |
| 03:36.23 | awilcox | so maintaining VC71 isn't worthless. |
| 03:36.30 | JeffM | with the free version of VC8 most people use 8 |
| 03:36.53 | DTRemenak | it's not worthless if people use it |
| 03:37.12 | DTRemenak | we will gladly accept patches for it...it's not like it's totally noncompliant like 6 was. |
| 03:37.17 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:37.25 | JeffM | I just said a lot of us don't use it |
| 03:37.31 | awilcox | ah okay. |
| 03:37.35 | awilcox | whee it's building! |
| 03:37.51 | awilcox | wonders what libraries he was supposed to download that it is going to choke on not having. |
| 03:38.03 | DTRemenak | should be nothing |
| 03:38.08 | JeffM | do you have direct x from april of 2007? |
| 03:38.25 | DTRemenak | as long as he doesn't have a NEWER one it's fine |
| 03:38.26 | JeffM | yeah it will build ares and curl |
| 03:38.34 | awilcox | ummm |
| 03:38.39 | awilcox | runs dxdiag |
| 03:38.41 | DTRemenak | a stock install of any professional version of VS should build out of the box |
| 03:38.57 | JeffM | it may be configured to use glew and curses |
| 03:39.01 | DTRemenak | if you have downloaded a newer DirectX SDK it may not build |
| 03:39.07 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:39.18 | awilcox | I don't have a DirectX SDK installed. |
| 03:39.23 | DTRemenak | yes you do |
| 03:39.25 | awilcox | just raw, stocker Visual C++ 2003 |
| 03:39.29 | JeffM | then you have dx 3 |
| 03:39.30 | DTRemenak | exactly :) |
| 03:39.32 | awilcox | so probably I have November 2002 |
| 03:39.33 | JeffM | thats what it ships with |
| 03:39.40 | JeffM | or is it 5 now? |
| 03:39.41 | awilcox | ah nice. |
| 03:39.42 | DTRemenak | 5 |
| 03:40.02 | JeffM | 3 was vc6 |
| 03:40.04 | awilcox | so new DXSDK is broken? is there something I can fix there, I'm half-decent with DirectX |
| 03:40.12 | DTRemenak | it renamed stuff |
| 03:40.21 | awilcox | as long as it has nothing to do with 3D... |
| 03:40.22 | DTRemenak | so we either break it for stock installs, or break it for new SDKs |
| 03:40.39 | DTRemenak | there's no way to get it to work with both (aside from multiple configurations, which we are NOT going to do) |
| 03:40.48 | JeffM | the dxinput was merged int dx8input and needs to be redone to get the older interface from that. |
| 03:41.08 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I don't belive that is true, I think we just have to get the older interfaces from the COM objects. |
| 03:41.15 | DTRemenak | if we use dinput8 it will no longer build on stock installs of VS2003 or 2005 |
| 03:41.18 | awilcox | er, what about that think you do with common controls, oh shoot how is that |
| 03:41.21 | DTRemenak | since they don't have DX8 |
| 03:41.29 | awilcox | #if DXVER > APR_2007 |
| 03:41.54 | JeffM | awilcox: the problem is that newer versions don't have the same headers |
| 03:41.56 | DTRemenak | awilcox: how do you get that, without including any directx headers? :) |
| 03:42.03 | JeffM | dxinput.h dosn't exist anymore |
| 03:42.11 | awilcox | ohhhh. |
| 03:42.14 | awilcox | 3D fatal error C1083: Cannot open source file: '\bzflag\src\other\ftgl\src\FTTextureGlyph.cpp': No such file or directory |
| 03:42.14 | DTRemenak | the headers define the version information that you use to figure out whether you can include the headers. catch-22 |
| 03:42.29 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:42.39 | DTRemenak | brlcad broke it! :P |
| 03:42.40 | JeffM | awilcox: if the file dos't exist pull it from the proejct |
| 03:42.49 | JeffM | that's what I said, that one isn't maintained ;) |
| 03:43.00 | JeffM | so it may have files missing, or files that don't exist |
| 03:43.01 | DTRemenak | did we fix 8? |
| 03:43.05 | DTRemenak | bets not |
| 03:43.09 | awilcox | I also have many, many c:\bzflag\src\other\ftgl\src\FTGL\ftgl.h(110): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'FTGL/FTPoint.h': No such file or directory |
| 03:43.22 | DTRemenak | mmm, then you have something out of date |
| 03:43.44 | awilcox | DTRemenak: O_o I just downloaded Tortoise and checked out what, five minutes ago?! |
| 03:43.51 | brlcad | sounds like you've not run autogen.sh |
| 03:43.59 | awilcox | brlcad: ... |
| 03:44.01 | DTRemenak | brlcad: VC |
| 03:44.03 | JeffM | brlcad: on windows, that' be a neat trick |
| 03:44.05 | JeffM | ;) |
| 03:44.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:44.07 | brlcad | ah |
| 03:44.12 | JeffM | sounds like you broke windows is more like it |
| 03:44.14 | brlcad | nobody uses that ;) |
| 03:44.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:44.21 | JeffM | builds |
| 03:44.24 | awilcox | lol. |
| 03:44.26 | DTRemenak | updates |
| 03:44.36 | awilcox | yay, so for once I found an important bug :P |
| 03:44.40 | DTRemenak | wow. what are these binaries doing in svn? |
| 03:44.44 | brlcad | awilcox: it's not a bug |
| 03:44.53 | brlcad | just build system files aren't updated for all of the new files/layout |
| 03:45.05 | awilcox | it's a bug with the build system. |
| 03:45.07 | brlcad | it was massively reorganized |
| 03:45.16 | JeffM | awilcox: no, you were TOLD they were outdated |
| 03:45.18 | awilcox | s/a bug/an omission/ |
| 03:45.20 | brlcad | that's not even what I'd call a build system bug |
| 03:45.29 | DTRemenak | brlcad: mac/libraries/*.a are supposed to be in svn? |
| 03:45.38 | JeffM | brlcad: so what moved? |
| 03:45.42 | awilcox | JeffM: I was told that ftgl.h was going to be outdated? |
| 03:45.48 | brlcad | JeffM: pretty much everything |
| 03:45.56 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yeah ... *ahem* |
| 03:45.57 | JeffM | awilcox: you were told your build would be outdated |
| 03:46.00 | brlcad | that's part of the merge |
| 03:46.13 | JeffM | great... thats so very helpfull |
| 03:46.28 | brlcad | JeffM: fortunately everything is in src/ |
| 03:46.40 | brlcad | including header files |
| 03:46.46 | JeffM | eww |
| 03:46.55 | brlcad | points at sam :) |
| 03:47.11 | DTRemenak | is he responsible for these binaries too? :P |
| 03:47.21 | brlcad | no, that's henry (orig author) |
| 03:47.42 | JeffM | and FTGL is not maintaing a proejct for VC7.1 anymore? |
| 03:47.44 | DTRemenak | doesn't particularly like having 5mb of binaries for a platform he doesn't even use downloaded all the time :) |
| 03:48.14 | DTRemenak | ...and two copies of the freetype sources... |
| 03:48.18 | awilcox | okay so can I take the VC71 tree and become maintainer or is that gonna be a big job? |
| 03:48.25 | brlcad | two copies? |
| 03:48.27 | brlcad | looks |
| 03:48.31 | JeffM | awilcox: no, we don't work that way |
| 03:48.35 | JeffM | you'll have to wait |
| 03:48.40 | JeffM | it's basicly all busted now |
| 03:48.43 | DTRemenak | mm, maybe just headers |
| 03:48.53 | awilcox | oh okay so basically I picked a bad day to try and build. |
| 03:49.06 | JeffM | awilcox: bad month |
| 03:49.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:49.13 | awilcox | ah okay. |
| 03:49.31 | JeffM | brlcad: will changes I make be merged back into FTGL? or should I make them in that tree and make a patch? |
| 03:49.47 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17140 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/mac/Libraries/: begone, vile beasties |
| 03:50.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM: FTGL is in 3D for us right now |
| 03:50.18 | JeffM | ohh yeah |
| 03:50.25 | JeffM | I did that didn't I? ;) |
| 03:50.26 | brlcad | JeffM: yeah either way .. or I can add you all to ftgl |
| 03:50.51 | JeffM | cus the projects you have in the ftgl dir are just wrong |
| 03:51.03 | DTRemenak | so we get to maintain it separately unless we want to merge their project file in (which may or may not be a good idea) |
| 03:51.18 | brlcad | not surprised, sam has been hitting up linux, I've been hitting up mac |
| 03:51.22 | JeffM | DTRemenak: well we have an "in" with them now |
| 03:51.33 | DTRemenak | like I said, may or may not :) |
| 03:51.44 | DTRemenak | if it was gonna stay unmaintained, definitely not |
| 03:51.50 | brlcad | "them" is pretty much sam and I .. and even more him than me by far ;) |
| 03:51.59 | awilcox | wonders if it would be more sane to run linux in that shiny new VMware server and try and build on that |
| 03:51.59 | brlcad | he's been seemingly working on it full-time with another guy |
| 03:52.00 | JeffM | see |
| 03:52.28 | JeffM | brlcad: so how do you want it to roll? you want us to use the FTGL projects and fix them? or keep our own seperate system as we have now? |
| 03:52.48 | DTRemenak | awilcox: heh, this month that might be ok, last month I broke the autotools build system :P |
| 03:53.08 | JeffM | if we share, I have to change how the windows build is setup ( VC8 and 7.1 dirs) |
| 03:53.09 | brlcad | what's merged in now is a pristine upstream, so it'd make sense to make the mods in either place and merge to the other .. I've been doing it both ways |
| 03:53.24 | brlcad | if you apply to bz, I'll merge over or I can add you so you can apply directly |
| 03:53.26 | JeffM | brlcad: well the mods to make bzflag work won't be in that folder |
| 03:53.32 | JeffM | cus we have our own project for ftgl |
| 03:53.35 | brlcad | ah |
| 03:53.39 | JeffM | not in /src/other/ftgl/ |
| 03:53.48 | JeffM | we build ftgl from soruces in lib3D |
| 03:53.56 | DTRemenak | we can tie in to their project if we need to |
| 03:54.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:54.06 | DTRemenak | it's not a huge deal |
| 03:54.09 | brlcad | that's your domain, whatever you want |
| 03:54.15 | JeffM | can I get commit? |
| 03:54.23 | brlcad | yup |
| 03:54.36 | JeffM | it's SF? |
| 03:56.31 | brlcad | you'll need to sign a contributors agreement and make at least five non-trivial patches, post them to the tracker, have the review board vote on the modifications, find a commit proponent |
| 03:56.33 | JeffM | ewww. raw trunk too |
| 03:56.41 | brlcad | okay, added |
| 03:56.59 | JeffM | proponet? |
| 03:57.06 | brlcad | was joking |
| 03:57.17 | JeffM | I know, what does that word mean tho ;) |
| 03:57.21 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:57.26 | brlcad | ~dict proponent |
| 03:57.31 | DTRemenak | someone who is in favor of |
| 03:57.32 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17141 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: use the global score update message instead of packing our own in the API |
| 03:57.38 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:57.55 | brlcad | tim is a karma proponent |
| 03:58.27 | DTRemenak | heh, we sure ended up with a lot of "working-but-ugly" network code |
| 03:58.32 | brlcad | DTRemenak: how 'bout you while I got the page up |
| 03:58.44 | DTRemenak | sure, but not urgent |
| 03:58.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM seems to be taking care of this one |
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| 03:59.32 | brlcad | done |
| 03:59.35 | DTRemenak | places where we pack buffers but leave the first two bytes empty and stuff |
| 03:59.36 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1054 10/trunk/msvc/ (21 files in 2 dirs): move 2005 build files to VC8 dir so we can have more then one windows build system |
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| 03:59.42 | DTRemenak | cleans |
| 03:59.59 | brlcad | pondered converting ftgl to cmake |
| 04:00.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:00.12 | JeffM | eww |
| 04:00.17 | brlcad | it's nice cause it's so tiny .. you can do almost anything to it, and have it rebuilt in a minute :) |
| 04:00.19 | DTRemenak | cmake does not have to be ugly |
| 04:00.29 | brlcad | (ftgl that is) |
| 04:00.30 | DTRemenak | osg is just a really bad implementation :) |
| 04:00.49 | brlcad | yeah, i've seen a couple projects that are pretty nice and clean |
| 04:00.54 | DTRemenak | hardcoded paths everywhere and such |
| 04:01.07 | DTRemenak | brlcad: if you ever want to see the *wrong* way to do it, check out osg :) |
| 04:01.19 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:01.46 | brlcad | from what I've played with so far, it still takes just as much effort to get something nice/working/cross-platform as the autotools, but you end up needing to know less magic |
| 04:02.26 | brlcad | would still probably rather write a recursive studio buildfile generator for automake though first |
| 04:03.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1055 10/trunk/msvc/vc8/ (6 files): fix busted line endings |
| 04:04.02 | JeffM | geeeezzzzuuus |
| 04:04.12 | awilcox | maybe I'm wrong (and it's better to have DOS newlines anyways for Windows files) but can't VC use UNIX newlines? |
| 04:04.12 | JeffM | AdditionalLibraryDirectories="..\Build,D:\cots\freetype-2.0.5\objs" |
| 04:04.14 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1056 10/trunk/mac/Libraries/: begone, vile beasties |
| 04:04.19 | JeffM | D!!! |
| 04:04.25 | DTRemenak | heh...speaking of wrong ways to do things :) |
| 04:04.30 | awilcox | oh my gosh. |
| 04:04.45 | awilcox | pounds some sense, and a G drive, into brlcad. |
| 04:04.51 | JeffM | it wasn't him |
| 04:04.56 | awilcox | oh. |
| 04:05.04 | JeffM | I'm pondering just rebuilding these entire projects |
| 04:05.10 | awilcox | takes the G drive and sense out of brlcad and pounds it into whoever did that |
| 04:05.31 | Flash | brlcad: 15 hours later... that helped, but not enough: http://flash.pastebin.ca/1008989 |
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| 04:05.51 | JeffM | brlcad: environ vars for the Freetype dirs ok brlcad ? |
| 04:06.37 | brlcad | even if I were on windows, which I am not or at least rarely ever am any more other than compile-testing, hard-coding paths still wouldn't my thing |
| 04:06.54 | brlcad | JeffM: lets just say I'm not gonna object |
| 04:06.59 | JeffM | k |
| 04:07.17 | Flash | BulletCatcher: I guess it requires patch 1956498 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1956498&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 04:07.17 | JeffM | it's obvious these haven't been used in a long time, so I doubt anyone will |
| 04:07.27 | Flash | I'll include it next time |
| 04:07.49 | brlcad | Flash: interesting, that's the same problem we had with BZ a while back |
| 04:08.13 | brlcad | there's a bug in 10.5 that makes it vomit if you include both the opengl framework and /usr/X11/lib |
| 04:08.29 | brlcad | s/bug/"limitation"/ |
| 04:10.47 | awilcox | doesn't wanna think about what Macintosh vomit would look like D= |
| 04:10.51 | JeffM | is there any reason to keep a single threaded target? |
| 04:11.04 | JeffM | IIRC ms is getting rid of ST runtimes |
| 04:11.47 | awilcox | so they are completely abandoning performance for single-core machines. |
| 04:12.02 | JeffM | awilcox: has nothing to do with that |
| 04:12.12 | JeffM | has to do if the runtimes are setup to be threaded |
| 04:12.21 | JeffM | threading existed LONG before multicore |
| 04:12.24 | awilcox | multithread is a BEAR to code for in win32. |
| 04:12.35 | awilcox | forcing people to code for it...is insane. |
| 04:12.43 | awilcox | then again who even writes raw Win32 anymore, it's all .NETified |
| 04:12.48 | JeffM | again you assume far too much and make yourself look stupid |
| 04:12.52 | JeffM | they don't force anything |
| 04:12.56 | brlcad | awilcox: it's shiney white and acrylic |
| 04:13.06 | JeffM | it just means that IF you do threads, the runtimes will work with them |
| 04:13.11 | JeffM | if you don't, then it's still cool |
| 04:13.29 | DTRemenak | if they offer static targets, they need ST static |
| 04:13.48 | JeffM | k |
| 04:14.01 | DTRemenak | otherwise trying to use it from an ST-runtime project will result in curiously difficult to debug linker errors |
| 04:14.08 | JeffM | true nuf |
| 04:14.11 | JeffM | I'll keep em |
| 04:15.14 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1057 10/trunk/msvc/ (config.h demo.cpp vc8/config.h vc8/demo.cpp): move the config.h and demo file up so they can be shared with all MSVC builds. |
| 04:17.40 | JeffM | this.. is going to take a bit |
| 04:21.05 | Flash | brlcad: if it's like the BZflag issue, it may be because 10.5 doesn't have a universal SDK, but it does include a 10.4 universal |
| 04:22.52 | Flash | actually, I went looking for the OpenGL framework and couldn't find it. I figured the X11 stuff was the only option |
| 04:22.57 | Flash | but that doesn't make sense |
| 04:23.04 | Flash | since most mac ISN'T X11 |
| 04:23.57 | brlcad | Flash: it's because there's a libGL in both the framework and in X11 so it gets stuck in a loop |
| 04:23.58 | JeffM | DTRemenak: does a single threaded DLL make sense? |
| 04:24.12 | brlcad | it should not be using X11 at all |
| 04:24.21 | brlcad | and should autodetect the framework, you don't look for it |
| 04:24.40 | DTRemenak | I don't know anybody who uses ST DLL runtimes...there's no advantage to it |
| 04:24.58 | Flash | I was poking around last night trying to find the libs that FTGL said it couldn't find |
| 04:25.16 | DTRemenak | ST static is a lot smaller and somewhat faster |
| 04:25.22 | DTRemenak | you lose both those by going DLL anyway |
| 04:25.40 | JeffM | may not care that much :) |
| 04:26.49 | JeffM | in the end, we may not even be able to use the FTGL project |
| 04:26.59 | JeffM | since it will look for an external Freetype |
| 04:27.19 | JeffM | but this should at least make it a clean upgrade for us to sync to |
| 04:28.54 | DTRemenak | not to mention actually working, for them |
| 04:29.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:29.32 | JeffM | wow only 108 warnings :) |
| 04:29.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:29.59 | DTRemenak | I can go through the warnings if you want to work on the 7.1 projects |
| 04:30.10 | JeffM | hah |
| 04:30.26 | JeffM | dude I have only JUST goten one of the sub projects to start to compile :) |
| 04:30.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:30.45 | JeffM | it's all cast stuff |
| 04:31.04 | DTRemenak | casts are frequently the wrong way to fix those warnings |
| 04:31.14 | JeffM | hence why I am ignoring them |
| 04:31.16 | DTRemenak | has been purging excess casts from bzflag when he sees them |
| 04:31.21 | Flash | goes out on a limb |
| 04:31.24 | JeffM | brlcad: what version fo freetype do you guys use? |
| 04:31.28 | Flash | C-style casts are evil |
| 04:31.28 | JeffM | .10? |
| 04:31.44 | DTRemenak | Flash: C++-style casts are too long to type :P |
| 04:31.47 | JeffM | freetype234_D.lib ? |
| 04:31.59 | Flash | C++ casts are intentionally annoying, I think |
| 04:32.05 | DTRemenak | but agreed, in concept |
| 04:32.08 | Flash | to make sure you REALLY need to cast |
| 04:32.30 | Flash | but you can function-cast pretty easily for most conversions |
| 04:33.13 | DTRemenak | REALLY fights the urge to rewrite RecordReplay from the ground up |
| 04:33.26 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:33.27 | Flash | DTRemenak: I remember why I'll need a message factory |
| 04:33.37 | Flash | to construct messages from received buffers |
| 04:34.12 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I don't even have a single threaded option in VC8! |
| 04:34.22 | DTRemenak | JeffM: yeah, for 8 don't use it |
| 04:34.27 | DTRemenak | they deprecated it |
| 04:34.47 | JeffM | ok, then I'm changing the default for FTGL from ST to MT |
| 04:35.06 | JeffM | I have to see what the default FT2 builds tho |
| 04:36.28 | brlcad | DTRemenak: do it! |
| 04:36.28 | DTRemenak | Flash: seems to me that could be avoided by an appropriate constructor also |
| 04:36.53 | Flash | but you don't know which ctor to invoke until you inspect the packet |
| 04:36.55 | brlcad | JeffM: whatever is available, latest for testing at least |
| 04:36.59 | DTRemenak | ahh, true |
| 04:37.37 | Flash | brlcad: I think I comprehend the problem. -L/usr/X11/lib is before the OpenGL framework. |
| 04:37.43 | JeffM | brlcad: I'm getting there CVS tree |
| 04:37.57 | Flash | FreeType is in /usr/X11/lib |
| 04:38.04 | DTRemenak | proposes an ugly solution involving RTTI and a bigass union, just to make Flash cringe |
| 04:38.15 | Flash | cringes |
| 04:38.26 | Flash | does RTTI even work on all supported platforms? |
| 04:38.56 | DTRemenak | mmm...not sure |
| 04:38.59 | DTRemenak | wouldn't count on it |
| 04:39.23 | Flash | envisions a more elegant solution, with registered handlers for each message type so the message handling is more event-driven |
| 04:39.42 | DTRemenak | roughly what we have now on the server side, iirc |
| 04:39.56 | Flash | perhaps in pieces, not systematic |
| 04:40.05 | Flash | there are some functions that would serve as callbacks |
| 04:40.10 | Flash | but then there's a lot of in-line code |
| 04:40.28 | DTRemenak | we have handler classes for most incoming messages |
| 04:40.40 | DTRemenak | not sure how they're invoked though |
| 04:41.15 | Flash | DTRemenak: if you have a chance, look at my last patch |
| 04:41.59 | DTRemenak | it looked large, so I put off reviewing it until I have a bunch of free time :) |
| 04:42.35 | DTRemenak | but yeah, I'll take a look at it |
| 04:43.44 | Flash | the broad-brush strokes are that all network interaction are through the NetListener class and callbacks |
| 04:44.04 | Flash | brlcad: I got this from henry: The Mac paths to opengl are different to linux. The autoconf file is using <opengl> when it should be using <OpenGL/opengl> |
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| 04:45.44 | brlcad | Flash: there are several things wrong with what you wrote, failure to parse |
| 04:46.11 | brlcad | and where are you talking to henry? |
| 04:46.26 | Flash | I followed the instructions in the error and sent my config.log to henry via e-mail |
| 04:46.37 | Flash | he replied to me: The Mac paths to opengl are different to linux. The autoconf file is using <opengl> when it should be using <OpenGL/opengl> |
| 04:47.47 | Flash | I can apologize for failure to parse, but I'm not sure I can to anything else to help it |
| 04:48.50 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17142 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): clean up a few more old-style packers |
| 04:49.39 | brlcad | Flash: patience, or look at the m4/gl.m4 test -- configure needs to NOT add /usr/X11 to the search paths |
| 04:49.56 | brlcad | it could be the default system X11 tests |
| 04:50.05 | brlcad | we don't do those in BZ because of those kinds of problems |
| 04:50.23 | Flash | I will be patient. I don't understand autoconf/configure at all |
| 04:50.36 | Flash | I write Makefiles by hand (but not cross-platform) |
| 04:51.43 | brlcad | it's really not that complicated .. the problem is either in the configure.ac file or in one of the m4 macro files |
| 04:51.57 | brlcad | not really much different than makefiles that include other makefiles |
| 04:52.06 | brlcad | just that it's using m4 syntax instead of make syntax |
| 04:52.16 | brlcad | which is just a simply macro language |
| 04:52.23 | brlcad | with some basic shell scripting |
| 04:54.26 | JeffM | brlcad: what do you know about the unit tests? |
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| 04:55.39 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1058 10/trunk/msvc/vc8/ (4 files): build as a VC8 DLL again |
| 04:59.02 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17143 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Flag.h src/common/Flag.cxx): unbreak RecordReplay. nuts. |
| 04:59.51 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17144 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfsMessages.cxx bzfsMessages.h): remove setGeneralMessageInfo and inline the only legitimate use of it, to discourage people from using it. |
| 05:03.08 | awilcox | short_circuit: if you could take a minute from frying things, may I pm you? |
| 05:06.28 | AAA_awright | Is -spawnPolicy something that could be a server variable? |
| 05:07.03 | AAA_awright | Additionally, couldn't it be modularized even more to be in plugins? |
| 05:08.41 | DTRemenak | it is accessible by plugins now, iirc |
| 05:09.08 | AAA_awright | It's accessible, but would it be a fitting idea to have plugins define their own, without overriding anything. |
| 05:09.50 | AAA_awright | s/\./\?/ |
| 05:10.38 | DTRemenak | it could be done. would require moving some things around. |
| 05:10.42 | awilcox | AAA_awright: that is an ugly regex, use the nice perl extensions :) s$.$?$ |
| 05:10.54 | AAA_awright | Regex ftw |
| 05:11.31 | Flash | I needed an ugly regex today: s/\/\//#/ |
| 05:11.36 | AAA_awright | DTRemenak: I don't know what it would offer above the current solution, but something to consider I think. |
| 05:11.51 | AAA_awright | replace // with # ? |
| 05:11.55 | AAA_awright | Oh, comments :) |
| 05:12.00 | DTRemenak | moving it about creates a few ugly problems |
| 05:12.02 | brlcad | JeffM: nothing, I don't use them |
| 05:12.26 | DTRemenak | nothing unresolvable, just stuff having to do with the API's header requirements |
| 05:12.41 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1059 10/trunk/msvc/vc71/ (. ftgl.sln ftgl_dll.vcproj): start a vc7.1 build |
| 05:13.23 | DTRemenak | and given that plugins already have a way to set the spawn position, I'm not sure what value it offers |
| 05:14.24 | AAA_awright | Using 2.99, I noticed that the console reads Player: Jumping allowed when you can't jump |
| 05:14.41 | DTRemenak | that's a rather unfortunate bit of UI |
| 05:14.57 | AAA_awright | There is no "Jumping disabled" equivalent, should there be? |
| 05:15.08 | DTRemenak | no...if you had J, you could jump :) |
| 05:15.42 | DTRemenak | most likely we should do a bunch more actual work and have those messages actually indicate your tank state (i.e. player->canJump) |
| 05:15.56 | L4m3r | I think the point is that your ability to jump can now be changed during the game |
| 05:16.16 | L4m3r | or that was the thought anyway |
| 05:16.18 | DTRemenak | right...the allowed/disallowed messages currently indicate only your permissions, not your abilities |
| 05:16.24 | DTRemenak | but it is bad UI |
| 05:16.26 | AAA_awright | addMessage(tank, allow & AllowJump ? "Jumping allowed" : "Jumping forbidden"); |
| 05:16.34 | AAA_awright | Looks like faulty logic somehow? |
| 05:16.46 | DTRemenak | no, it's valid |
| 05:16.48 | DTRemenak | iirc |
| 05:16.52 | DTRemenak | allow is a bitmask |
| 05:16.55 | L4m3r | hm |
| 05:16.56 | DTRemenak | AllowJump is a flag |
| 05:17.01 | JeffM | brlcad: I'm sorry, but are you sure that this version of FTGL actualy works? |
| 05:17.02 | L4m3r | maybe the flag is wrong? |
| 05:17.09 | AAA_awright | Yeah, and the bit is set to 1 when it should be 0? |
| 05:17.19 | DTRemenak | have you disallowed jumping for a player? |
| 05:17.28 | L4m3r | or the bit is off by one, so it really shows the permission for spawning or shooting or something :P |
| 05:18.05 | AAA_awright | or it is !0 or something stupid |
| 05:18.12 | DTRemenak | have you disallowed jumping for a player? |
| 05:18.28 | AAA_awright | I cannot jump on the client, does that count? |
| 05:18.28 | DTRemenak | by default I don't think there's any way at all to do that |
| 05:18.30 | DTRemenak | no |
| 05:18.34 | DTRemenak | it's not ABILITY |
| 05:18.36 | DTRemenak | it's PERMISSION |
| 05:18.49 | DTRemenak | the server grants permission to jump even if the game style says no jumping |
| 05:18.54 | DTRemenak | it does not grant the ability |
| 05:19.13 | AAA_awright | Should that be merged then? |
| 05:19.26 | DTRemenak | so it will say Allowed even if you are unable |
| 05:19.28 | AAA_awright | allow looked like the game style mask |
| 05:19.37 | AAA_awright | not mask, uh |
| 05:19.47 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17145 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/3D.vcproj: get lib3d to build with the new FTGL |
| 05:20.00 | JeffM | thar be some warnings for ya DTRemenak ;) |
| 05:20.07 | DTRemenak | woot |
| 05:20.09 | JeffM | 236 of em |
| 05:20.20 | DTRemenak | did you sync the FTGL project in bzflag? |
| 05:20.24 | JeffM | nope |
| 05:20.30 | JeffM | that's just making it build the old way |
| 05:20.33 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:20.35 | DTRemenak | k |
| 05:20.49 | JeffM | getting FTGL to build right.. that's going to take it's own kind of special fun ;) |
| 05:21.04 | DTRemenak | doesn't do it for me :S |
| 05:21.21 | DTRemenak | still can't open FTGL/ftgl.h |
| 05:21.37 | DTRemenak | so no warnings, just a couple thousand errors :) |
| 05:21.42 | JeffM | odd |
| 05:22.13 | JeffM | one sec |
| 05:22.28 | DTRemenak | include dirs are wrong |
| 05:22.35 | JeffM | it dosnt' have ../../src/other/ftgl/src |
| 05:22.36 | DTRemenak | still point to inc when they should point to src |
| 05:22.40 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 05:22.51 | JeffM | bahh I didn't hit all configs |
| 05:22.53 | JeffM | one sec |
| 05:23.37 | AAA_awright | Also, Dangerous spawn policy is dropping me outside of the field about 1/2 of the time |
| 05:23.45 | DTRemenak | sounds like a bug |
| 05:23.48 | DTRemenak | patches welcome |
| 05:23.54 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17146 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/3D.vcproj: what is good for debug is good for all configs |
| 05:23.54 | AAA_awright | I'll look into it |
| 05:24.06 | DTRemenak | supposes it would be pretty dangerous out there...to your connection :) |
| 05:24.38 | AAA_awright | And Jeff, when not busy, did you say that the client waits for permission to enable spawning, or displaying the press whatever to spawn message? |
| 05:25.37 | AAA_awright | x position (-2.53472e+14) is out of bounds (400 + 10) |
| 05:25.46 | AAA_awright | Wow |
| 05:25.48 | Flash | just a tad |
| 05:26.01 | AAA_awright | Say that again |
| 05:26.04 | AAA_awright | :/ |
| 05:26.09 | Flash | just a tad |
| 05:26.36 | Flash | tad == -2.53472e+14 |
| 05:26.51 | Flash | ~dict tad |
| 05:27.04 | Flash | ~dict tad 2 |
| 05:27.11 | awilcox | ~dict 2 tad |
| 05:27.12 | AAA_awright | -253472000000000 |
| 05:27.23 | awilcox | little bugger. lol. |
| 05:27.26 | Flash | looks a lot like 1 |
| 05:28.01 | awilcox | AAA_awright: that is assuming a lot of zeros. I highly doubt it is that precise :p |
| 05:28.09 | Flash | how can "tad" be defined as "little tad" |
| 05:28.24 | awilcox | Flash: my Webster is full of circular references |
| 05:28.35 | AAA_awright | Obviously precision was lost, but the point is that is a long walk back to the playing field |
| 05:28.53 | Flash | from negative dimensions |
| 05:28.53 | awilcox | yeah |
| 05:29.18 | AAA_awright | Is any specific unit used? One tank length, about a meter? |
| 05:29.27 | AAA_awright | and/or |
| 05:29.37 | awilcox | Uint32.MinValue: The value of this constant is -2,147,483,648 |
| 05:29.58 | awilcox | ^ I do believe that's smaller (larger?) than a 32-bit unsigned integer can even compute. |
| 05:30.03 | brlcad | JeffM: yeah, I tested it |
| 05:30.13 | JeffM | k |
| 05:30.47 | brlcad | heck, it's working in bz atm too (tested after merge) |
| 05:30.56 | JeffM | k |
| 05:31.01 | JeffM | vc8 should be good then |
| 05:31.02 | AAA_awright | Ha: x position (-9.76135e+28) is out of bounds (400 + 10) |
| 05:31.09 | awilcox | ah ha! |
| 05:31.16 | awilcox | AAA_awright: I know exactly precisely what that number is |
| 05:31.21 | awilcox | The value of this constant is negative 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 |
| 05:31.31 | AAA_awright | It is always the x-position, and it is only on the first join |
| 05:31.42 | awilcox | oh bugger, that is more than a 64-bit unsigned integer can handle |
| 05:31.46 | Flash | look for an uninitialized variable |
| 05:32.08 | AAA_awright | Makes sense, only on the first spawn |
| 05:32.26 | awilcox | -9.22337e+18 would be the limit for 64-bit |
| 05:32.49 | Flash | the exponent should be much larger for 64 bit floating point |
| 05:32.56 | AAA_awright | what type does bzfs use though? Thought it was a floating point number |
| 05:33.06 | awilcox | wait wait. I mean _signed_ math, gah |
| 05:33.07 | AAA_awright | IEEE 64 bit floating point? |
| 05:33.45 | AAA_awright | Naw, bzfs would want a fixed point anyways... so an integer |
| 05:33.52 | awilcox | um, this one me stumped |
| 05:34.22 | AAA_awright | Aha, there is no "testPos[0] = testPos[1] = testPos[2] = 0.0f;" declaration in the constructor. |
| 05:34.24 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17147 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/3D.vcproj: include the proper files for FTGL |
| 05:34.24 | awilcox | Double.NegativeInfinity: The value of this constant is the result of dividing a negative number by zero. This constant is returned when the result of an operation is less than MinValue. |
| 05:34.45 | awilcox | but...but...Microsoft could not have defined infinity. |
| 05:35.36 | L4m3r | actually they did, but Marketing decided that Vista should be cheaper than that |
| 05:35.43 | awilcox | haha |
| 05:35.44 | Flash | lol |
| 05:35.46 | AAA_awright | :D |
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| 05:36.08 | awilcox | but this is negative infinity. |
| 05:36.36 | awilcox | and AAA_awright: you just said this couldn't be floating point because an integer is what is overflowing. |
| 05:36.58 | AAA_awright | initalizing testPos[] did nothing |
| 05:37.17 | AAA_awright | Also, it has been saying "flag dropped out of bounds" |
| 05:37.39 | AAA_awright | oh, and it should be a floating point, see the .h file: |
| 05:37.49 | AAA_awright | float testPos[3]; |
| 05:38.00 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17148 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): if one is going to use size_t all over the place, one should be prepared to use size_t *all over the place*. |
| 05:38.08 | awilcox | so "x position (-9.76135e+28) is out of bounds (400 + 10)" is really a floating point x position? |
| 05:38.11 | AAA_awright | That would explain the random exponents |
| 05:38.21 | Flash | DTRemenak: lol |
| 05:38.25 | Flash | and agreed |
| 05:38.40 | L4m3r | ~lart size_t |
| 05:38.40 | ibot | keeps mailing size_t free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 05:38.51 | AAA_awright | ~lart |
| 05:39.02 | Flash | ~lart ~lart |
| 05:39.02 | ibot | rm -rf's ~lart |
| 05:39.27 | AAA_awright | interesting, is ~lart everyone what I think it is? |
| 05:39.34 | L4m3r | is there some stupid moot technical reason that C uses size_t? |
| 05:39.55 | Flash | so they can change it to a 64 bit quantity some day |
| 05:40.00 | L4m3r | it seems much more logical to use a few extra keystrokes to say "unsigned int" |
| 05:40.09 | AAA_awright | No technical reason, but so it isn't a fixed type, and it is more descriptive. |
| 05:40.10 | Flash | but less precise |
| 05:40.48 | AAA_awright | You can't accidentally pass your file descriptor to a size parameter (not without a warning at least). I hope. Haven't tried. |
| 05:41.11 | AAA_awright | ~lart ibot |
| 05:41.11 | ibot | takes a big bite out of aaa_awright's jugular vein |
| 05:41.17 | awilcox | ~lart himself |
| 05:41.17 | ibot | plops himself into a giant vat of herring |
| 05:41.20 | L4m3r | I don't see why that would be a catestrophic error |
| 05:41.40 | L4m3r | now, sticking your size var into the slot where the FD is supposed to go could be a problem in some cases :P |
| 05:41.50 | DTRemenak | size_t is useful for actual sizes. avoids very difficult to debug situations with overflows on 65-bit systems and signed variables. |
| 05:42.00 | DTRemenak | yeah, those newfangled 65-bit systems... |
| 05:42.04 | DTRemenak | detypoes |
| 05:42.06 | awilcox | oh teh noes |
| 05:42.08 | AAA_awright | heh |
| 05:42.19 | awilcox | 65-bits! now all of AWOS is obsolete (again!) |
| 05:42.33 | L4m3r | 64 bits with an evil bit? |
| 05:42.36 | AAA_awright | Oh noes. Time to write a new compiler. |
| 05:42.43 | Flash | you mean AWOS is not scalable? |
| 05:43.24 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1060 10/trunk/msvc/vc8/ (ftgl.sln ftgl_static.vcproj): build a static lib as an option |
| 05:43.50 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1061 10/trunk/msvc/vc8/ftgl_dll.vcproj: put our stuff in build not debug |
| 05:45.34 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17149 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/ (FTFace.cpp FTFont/FTFontGlue.cpp FTGlyph/FTGlyphGlue.cpp): now for C4800 - casting to bool is slow |
| 05:46.18 | AAA_awright | L4m3r: I am thinking 64 bits with an armageddon bit |
| 05:47.05 | AAA_awright | Just in time for, oh, judgment day |
| 05:47.57 | Flash | casting to bool is slow? |
| 05:48.34 | DTRemenak | yes, for strict compilers |
| 05:48.57 | DTRemenak | it involves a memory allocation and write |
| 05:49.15 | DTRemenak | where you can just use (i != 0) and save it the trouble |
| 05:49.48 | Flash | are there really compilers like that? |
| 05:49.52 | DTRemenak | VC |
| 05:50.01 | JeffM | ones that follow strict standards |
| 05:50.06 | awilcox | most compilers allow a strict mode |
| 05:50.28 | DTRemenak | it's what the standard says you have to do. the only allowed values for bool are true and false...no storing "3" |
| 05:50.43 | Flash | learns something new |
| 05:50.52 | DTRemenak | it's kinda silly in a way |
| 05:50.56 | DTRemenak | obsessively typesafe |
| 05:51.11 | brlcad | true, false, and "maybe" |
| 05:51.22 | awilcox | Flash: yes, AWOS is extensible, but I have no 65-bit processor and no cross-compiler :p |
| 05:51.28 | Flash | well, operator bool can be defined for user types, so conversion to bool for int as an explicit store kind of makes sense |
| 05:51.51 | DTRemenak | didn't say it didn't make sense :) |
| 05:51.57 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1062 10/trunk/msvc/vc8/ (ftgl_demo.sln ftgl_demo.vcproj ftgl_demo_2.vcproj): make the demos build, and pair it down to just one set of build targets, release and debug |
| 05:52.00 | DTRemenak | just that it was silly and obsessively typesafe :) |
| 05:52.03 | Flash | I was thinking it |
| 05:52.07 | brlcad | negative true divided by false |
| 05:52.09 | JeffM | there, that at least builds for VC8 |
| 05:52.20 | DTRemenak | yeah, you can't do arithmetic with bool types anymore either :) |
| 05:53.05 | DTRemenak | so no more cheap divide-by-BOOL-as-the-ultimate-assert hacks ;) |
| 05:53.37 | JeffM | brlcad: I don't have glut so I couldn't test the demos, but they should be closer to building now |
| 05:53.45 | JeffM | the dll and static libs will build fine |
| 05:53.50 | JeffM | the default is for dll |
| 05:54.01 | brlcad | aiight, cool |
| 05:54.22 | JeffM | statics are done as ftgl_static.lib and ftgl_static_D.lib |
| 05:54.53 | JeffM | and it requires the environ FREETYPE to be defined for where the freetype dir is |
| 05:55.38 | JeffM | you don't seem to have a windows readme |
| 05:56.22 | awilcox | cites brlcad for windows discrimination. |
| 05:56.34 | brlcad | I don't discriminate |
| 05:56.37 | brlcad | I ignore it |
| 05:56.42 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:56.43 | awilcox | neglect! |
| 05:56.46 | awilcox | that's even worse :P |
| 05:56.53 | JeffM | you want one in the MSVC dir or root? |
| 05:57.24 | JeffM | for the tosh you have one in the mac dir |
| 05:57.26 | DTRemenak | grrr...is it really necessary for FTPoint to use doubles everywhere? |
| 05:57.28 | JeffM | I can just emulate that |
| 05:58.00 | DTRemenak | are single-precision floats just not accurate enough for drawing? :S |
| 05:58.23 | brlcad | JeffM: i'd put it in the msvc dir to be consistent |
| 05:58.30 | brlcad | the mac readme is that way at least |
| 05:58.36 | brlcad | even with a .txt |
| 05:58.42 | brlcad | crazyness |
| 05:59.03 | JeffM | whoot |
| 05:59.03 | BulletCatcher | Flash: your SF patch 1956498 does, indeed, make 1957744 compile cleanly. |
| 05:59.05 | BulletCatcher | However, the server appears to receive nothing from the client. The last message (with -ddd) is "Address 127.0.0.1 resolved to localhost". |
| 05:59.29 | Flash | hmmm. |
| 06:00.15 | Flash | well, I haven't been able to build (clean) since I made the patch |
| 06:00.28 | Flash | so I can't verify |
| 06:00.46 | Flash | do you maybe have something incompatible in your version? |
| 06:01.19 | BulletCatcher | Anything is possible, but my pending local changes are unrelated. |
| 06:01.50 | BulletCatcher | And without your patch, my tree is happy. |
| 06:02.20 | Flash | don't svn up then ;-) |
| 06:02.52 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1063 10/trunk/msvc/README.txt: a readme for those that like to read and learn and grow. |
| 06:02.54 | BulletCatcher | I am currently at 17137. |
| 06:03.16 | awilcox | agh, can someone CTCP TIME Chestal? |
| 06:03.35 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17150 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/FTPoint.cpp: if you're gonna use doubles internally, use doubles *consistently* internally |
| 06:03.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03JeffM2501 * r1064 10/trunk/msvc/README.txt: mention the joy of the build dir. |
| 06:03.56 | JeffM | awilcox: he's in germany |
| 06:04.05 | awilcox | okay. |
| 06:04.16 | JeffM | awilcox: the vc7.1 build may work now |
| 06:04.42 | JeffM | brlcad: I may have broke your makefile system |
| 06:04.53 | JeffM | as I didn't do anything with the .am files |
| 06:05.17 | DTRemenak | cheaps out a bit |
| 06:05.39 | Flash | BulletCatcher: if I can make sense of svn, I made the patch from 17138; I was going to compile it against trunk/LATEST, but it's broken for me now |
| 06:05.59 | brlcad | JeffM: fair enough |
| 06:06.09 | awilcox | yay |
| 06:06.11 | awilcox | tests |
| 06:06.22 | blast007 | brlcad: now go break the VC build ;) |
| 06:06.31 | brlcad | not likely broken, though -- it doesn't validate missing files for a dist yet |
| 06:07.15 | BulletCatcher | Flash: the top of your 195774 patch says it is against r17137 |
| 06:07.28 | awilcox | seems like five billion warnings just scrolled by, but ftgl compiled \o/ |
| 06:07.34 | *** join/#bzflag mib_4vvmc5 (i=7deefe40@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae8a68071eaebc24) |
| 06:07.43 | blast007 | awilcox: hehe |
| 06:08.14 | brlcad | blast007: heh |
| 06:08.23 | brlcad | nix build works |
| 06:08.26 | Flash | so it does. I guess 17138 is what broke me |
| 06:08.29 | awilcox | whoops |
| 06:08.29 | awilcox | bzflag fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'freetype234_D.lib' |
| 06:08.34 | brlcad | lubs the 2 minute turn-around |
| 06:08.57 | JeffM | ahh I guess we don't have freetype for 7.1 |
| 06:09.01 | JeffM | I'll ahve to do that tomroow |
| 06:09.01 | Flash | lubes brlcad so he doesn't chafe |
| 06:09.27 | awilcox | can someone email me freetype234_D.lib? :P |
| 06:09.47 | blast007 | build it ;) |
| 06:09.57 | mib_4vvmc5 | Chestal: U there? |
| 06:10.11 | awilcox | compared to what I just heard, that sounds like a _lot_ of fun |
| 06:10.17 | JeffM | awilcox: there is a project in src/other you can build it |
| 06:10.25 | awilcox | oh okay |
| 06:13.07 | JeffM | it's just missing from the client only sln |
| 06:13.17 | awilcox | ah |
| 06:13.46 | awilcox | if I build the entire bzflag, will it build it? or do I need to go digging? |
| 06:13.52 | JeffM | should |
| 06:13.58 | blast007 | it has been for me |
| 06:14.08 | blast007 | but I haven't built in over a month |
| 06:14.23 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17151 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/client.sln: build freetype with the client only build |
| 06:14.31 | awilcox | yep yep, is building freetype now |
| 06:15.34 | awilcox | augh, IE just freaked. |
| 06:15.40 | Flash | BulletCatcher: I'm reverting a pristine build to 17137 so I can verify |
| 06:16.09 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I was just looking to see how you could do that. I assume you don't need help. |
| 06:16.19 | Flash | figured it out, thanks |
| 06:16.26 | Flash | svn update --revision nnnn |
| 06:16.36 | awilcox | entire bzflag.sln built 100% correctly without error |
| 06:16.41 | awilcox | yay! |
| 06:17.43 | JeffM | cool I can sleep then |
| 06:18.00 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17152 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/ (11 files in 5 dirs): provide methods for retrieving point elements in single-precision float form, and use them where applicable. this is rather expensive, but it was happening before, just invisibly. better to make it obvious. |
| 06:18.03 | awilcox | gah |
| 06:18.09 | awilcox | the whole thing just buggered out. |
| 06:18.19 | awilcox | DTRemenak: care to help remind me how to debug this sucker? |
| 06:18.43 | DTRemenak | start it in the debugger. if it crashes, it will crash inside the debugger. |
| 06:19.06 | DTRemenak | if it's not crashing, then set a breakpoint where you think the problem is and step through the code. |
| 06:19.20 | awilcox | okay I did that |
| 06:19.29 | awilcox | "This application has failed to start because LIBCURL.dll was not found." |
| 06:19.39 | awilcox | I am thinking that starting from debugger is, as usual, broken. |
| 06:20.03 | DTRemenak | set it to use the bzflag.exe from the root directory, not the build directory |
| 06:20.12 | DTRemenak | it's a user option so we can't ship it that way |
| 06:20.47 | awilcox | Unhandled exception at 0x7c812a5b in bzflag.exe: Microsoft C++ exception: __non_rtti_object @ 0x0012dbbc. |
| 06:20.57 | DTRemenak | ooh |
| 06:20.59 | DTRemenak | fun |
| 06:21.05 | awilcox | hehe! |
| 06:21.23 | DTRemenak | where did it break into? |
| 06:21.34 | awilcox | http://rafb.net/p/0fW2Kw93.html |
| 06:21.48 | awilcox | it broke into malloc. sounds fun. |
| 06:21.49 | DTRemenak | yay, not my fault |
| 06:21.55 | DTRemenak | FTGL stuff |
| 06:22.17 | awilcox | who do I ping-to-death about that? |
| 06:22.28 | DTRemenak | aw crap |
| 06:22.33 | DTRemenak | ftgl is using rtti |
| 06:22.40 | DTRemenak | grumbles |
| 06:22.50 | awilcox | that stands from run-time type information, yes? |
| 06:22.54 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 06:22.55 | awilcox | *for |
| 06:23.10 | awilcox | and I'm guessing that this is a bad idea, because it crashes malloc |
| 06:23.41 | blast007 | I'm guessing it's bad because DTRemenak said "aw crap" ;) |
| 06:23.55 | brlcad | it's not good :) |
| 06:24.14 | awilcox | now do I get to have a blast or do I get a run in with a burly cad? |
| 06:24.16 | brlcad | means either have to turn on rtti in bz or kill the rtti pieces in ftgl |
| 06:24.36 | Lukstr | rtti, oh dear |
| 06:24.39 | DTRemenak | rtti is on in the VC8 projects |
| 06:24.47 | brlcad | hum |
| 06:24.55 | DTRemenak | not sure how to turn it on in 7.1 |
| 06:25.04 | blast007 | can check |
| 06:25.06 | brlcad | oh, got it |
| 06:25.40 | DTRemenak | dynamic_casts |
| 06:25.40 | blast007 | has a feeling this svn up is gonna have a lot of files.. |
| 06:25.52 | brlcad | i have 7.1 if push comes to shove |
| 06:25.57 | brlcad | at least I think I do |
| 06:26.09 | DTRemenak | I can check at work if it gets that bad :) |
| 06:26.44 | blast007 | what should RTTI be turned on in? all projects? |
| 06:26.59 | DTRemenak | yeah, you'll need it globally |
| 06:27.11 | DTRemenak | otherwise we'll have fun crashes when passing objects around |
| 06:27.35 | DTRemenak | I do seem to have turned it on at least once before though... |
| 06:27.37 | DTRemenak | http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.vcproj?r1=1.56&r2=1.57 |
| 06:28.35 | awilcox | can I try it locally and report back so that you don't kill trunk? |
| 06:28.47 | awilcox | or is it not that easy? |
| 06:28.59 | DTRemenak | ah, looks like it's only off for 3D |
| 06:30.01 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17153 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC71/3D.vcproj: RTTI goodness for 3D |
| 06:30.05 | DTRemenak | try that |
| 06:30.37 | DTRemenak | and maybe it's not so critical to have on everywhere, seeing as how those projects have been like that for a while... :) |
| 06:30.45 | AAA_awright | Laters |
| 06:31.03 | awilcox | I enabled 3D RTTI by myself before you committed that...and I see bzflag 2.99.x menu! |
| 06:31.08 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 06:31.13 | awilcox | 7.1 fully works. |
| 06:31.17 | awilcox | now let's play :D |
| 06:31.25 | awilcox | (or let _me_ play0 |
| 06:31.41 | blast007 | just so I know, where is that option at? |
| 06:31.56 | DTRemenak | I have no clue :) |
| 06:32.00 | DTRemenak | copied and pasted |
| 06:32.13 | DTRemenak | yay for human-readable project files! |
| 06:32.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:32.28 | awilcox | blast007: right-click project, properties, C/C++ -> language -> Enable RTTI "Yes (/GR)" |
| 06:33.05 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I'm assuming FTGL changelog is autogenerated? |
| 06:33.11 | blast007 | ah, thanks awilcox |
| 06:33.39 | brlcad | DTRemenak: yeah, I just ran svn2cl.sh |
| 06:33.58 | RudyValencia | new beta version of bzflag? |
| 06:34.07 | blast007 | RudyValencia: not a beta yet ;) |
| 06:34.21 | RudyValencia | more like alpha? |
| 06:34.25 | blast007 | I guess |
| 06:34.28 | RudyValencia | ah' |
| 06:34.33 | blast007 | I haven't checked in a while |
| 06:34.39 | Flash | barely compiling at this point... pre-alpha |
| 06:34.48 | RudyValencia | maybe, as they call it, "svn version" |
| 06:35.15 | awilcox | trunk version :p |
| 06:35.38 | awilcox | DTRemenak: normally I would say this was a disappointment as I see no new features...but then I realised...I connected through my work internet connection that normally blocks bz! |
| 06:35.43 | RudyValencia | hugs awilcox and DrakeDragonwick :D |
| 06:35.50 | awilcox | wootdances |
| 06:35.54 | Flash | enjoys watching dual-core CPU meters while compiling |
| 06:36.16 | awilcox | Flash: I only got VC to use one core :( |
| 06:36.17 | DTRemenak | yeah, we do a client-first connect now, so setups that use port triggering will work |
| 06:36.26 | DTRemenak | 8.0 can use two :) |
| 06:36.30 | Lukstr | Flash: sounds like some sort of processor porn |
| 06:36.33 | awilcox | compatibility with ISA Server for the win |
| 06:36.55 | Flash | eye candy is not necessarily porn |
| 06:37.08 | Lukstr | lies |
| 06:37.14 | awilcox | Flash: do that new superpi on quad-core |
| 06:37.22 | awilcox | funnnnnnn |
| 06:37.48 | awilcox | DTRemenak: this is amazing, when is it gonna be released so I can play bz again :p |
| 06:37.56 | blast007 | it probably wouldn't be as fun on my quad system as it is on yours ;) |
| 06:37.59 | blast007 | only 700MHz each |
| 06:38.15 | awilcox | shows blast007 a LGA 771 quad-core Xeon @ 2.00GHz each |
| 06:38.21 | blast007 | weee |
| 06:38.45 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1065 10/trunk/src/ (20 files in 5 dirs): |
| 06:38.45 | CIA-33 | FTGL: VC build fixes from bzflag revs 17848-17852. |
| 06:38.45 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * size_t consistency |
| 06:38.45 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * avoid coercing from int to bool |
| 06:38.46 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * make casts from double to float explicit rather than implicit, mostly by way of a few new getter functions in FTPoint, or avoid if possible. |
| 06:38.46 | blast007 | mine are Xeons too, at least, but PIII's |
| 06:38.51 | awilcox | finally I can have flash things going while doing filters in photoshop and not feel bogged done |
| 06:38.52 | awilcox | *down |
| 06:38.55 | blast007 | how much RAM can that board take? |
| 06:39.01 | blast007 | mine tops out at 16GB |
| 06:39.17 | DTRemenak | hm, seems to work :) |
| 06:39.17 | awilcox | blast007: mine can do 32GB -- it's the S5000XVNSATAR |
| 06:39.27 | RudyValencia | Are motherboards still ATX, or have they moved to BTX? |
| 06:39.28 | awilcox | blast007: 8 fully-buffered DDR2/667s |
| 06:39.41 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:39.53 | blast007 | mine is 16 slots, ECC SDRAM |
| 06:40.04 | blast007 | I think 100MHz? |
| 06:40.09 | awilcox | RudyValencia: this is a "full" ATX. it barely fits in the monster case it is designed for |
| 06:40.16 | blast007 | only has a gig in the machine |
| 06:40.27 | RudyValencia | Full seven-slot ATX? |
| 06:40.28 | Flash | BulletCatcher: works for me |
| 06:40.33 | awilcox | something like 10x14" or so |
| 06:40.40 | RudyValencia | Hm. |
| 06:40.45 | RudyValencia | Mine is probably that size too. |
| 06:40.57 | Flash | try -dddd |
| 06:40.59 | awilcox | RudyValencia: it has two PCI-X, two PCI-e, one PCI-e x16 for the video card, two LGA 771 sockets, 8 DIMM sockets |
| 06:41.04 | awilcox | it's a big board |
| 06:41.07 | blast007 | I have no idea how big mine is... |
| 06:41.16 | BulletCatcher | Flash: r17137 + your two patches are okay for you? |
| 06:41.21 | blast007 | mine has a RAM riser board :) |
| 06:41.21 | Flash | yes |
| 06:41.28 | awilcox | blast007: mine has a RAM fan :P |
| 06:41.28 | Flash | completely clean + 2 patches |
| 06:41.31 | blast007 | hehe |
| 06:41.41 | blast007 | my fans hotswap ;) |
| 06:41.52 | awilcox | my can, but that would have been 200$ extra that I didn't need |
| 06:41.54 | Flash | my fans send me presents |
| 06:42.02 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I'll take out some of my local mods just to be sure. |
| 06:42.05 | awilcox | actually it's still an option, and if I want to pay the 200$ I can get them |
| 06:42.06 | Flash | if I had any... |
| 06:42.15 | blast007 | awilcox: cool |
| 06:42.26 | awilcox | I also have 6 SATA ports, and the ability to add 4 more with hotswap capability |
| 06:42.30 | blast007 | it would be of use to me, if I actuall had spare fans :) |
| 06:42.35 | Flash | BulletCatcher: thanks for looking at it, though |
| 06:42.46 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 06:43.03 | blast007 | I missed an eBay auction for a complete set of fans, CPU, and 4GB of RAM for my system... it went for $50 :( |
| 06:43.15 | blast007 | CPUs* |
| 06:43.52 | awilcox | wows |
| 06:44.07 | blast007 | hmm, wonder how that works... if I have more than ~4GB of RAM in that system... |
| 06:44.10 | blast007 | it's not 64-bit |
| 06:44.32 | blast007 | would each CPU grab it's own 4GB? |
| 06:44.33 | awilcox | it's possible |
| 06:44.37 | blast007 | if I had 16? |
| 06:44.41 | DTRemenak | blast007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 06:44.49 | awilcox | I don't know how it works, but I know that XP/2003 can do 16GB under 32-bit |
| 06:45.06 | blast007 | DTRemenak: k |
| 06:45.18 | awilcox | oh right, that funky bit in the IA-32 |
| 06:45.21 | Lukstr | awilcox: what? |
| 06:45.27 | Lukstr | under 32-bit? |
| 06:45.39 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 06:45.44 | Lukstr | isn't that an oxymoron? :P |
| 06:45.44 | blast007 | aww, I have the 400MHz bus version of the Pentium M :( |
| 06:46.10 | DTRemenak | XP can only handle 4 in any case |
| 06:46.20 | DTRemenak | they turn on PEA only for NX/XD |
| 06:46.26 | DTRemenak | PAE even |
| 06:46.28 | blast007 | hrmm |
| 06:46.44 | DTRemenak | 2k3 can handle 4, 32, or 64 depending on edition |
| 06:47.06 | sam | DTRemenak: isn't the "true" you put at src/FTFont/FTFontGlue.cpp line 171 a mistake? |
| 06:47.06 | Lukstr | xp64 can handle 4 terabytes |
| 06:47.18 | blast007 | but could they use the whole 4GB with PAE? or is it still counting the other memory in there? |
| 06:47.40 | awilcox | DTRemenak: I can only get xp to read 2.5GB, is there a reason? |
| 06:47.57 | blast007 | awilcox: other devices |
| 06:48.01 | blast007 | like your video cards |
| 06:48.02 | Lukstr | what else do you have? |
| 06:48.14 | DTRemenak | sam: no, that was intentional |
| 06:48.15 | awilcox | that's actually starting to matter. ~120 firefox tabs + IE + Photoshop + iTunes + VS + Word + Excel + Visio + VMware = I'm using 3GB right now |
| 06:48.19 | DTRemenak | it's a bool on the other end |
| 06:48.28 | DTRemenak | so it was coercing 1 to bool |
| 06:48.36 | awilcox | Lukstr/blast007: I have a 512MB GeForce 8600GTS |
| 06:48.43 | awilcox | that pwns in bzflag and FSX |
| 06:48.56 | DTRemenak | unless something is bizarrely different here than for you :) |
| 06:49.05 | blast007 | awilcox: I have a 7900GTO ;) |
| 06:49.15 | DTRemenak | awilcox: have PAE enabled? |
| 06:49.17 | awilcox | ;) |
| 06:49.21 | DTRemenak | and have PAE-enabled applications? |
| 06:49.25 | awilcox | DTRemenak: I don't have it disabled...uh... |
| 06:49.35 | awilcox | I have no idea what to do here. |
| 06:49.50 | Lukstr | awilcox: check your bios |
| 06:49.51 | awilcox | Is TaskMgr PAE-enabled? it is what is telling me I have 2.5GB |
| 06:49.58 | sam | DTRemenak: it wasn't a 1 it was an l :) |
| 06:50.00 | Lukstr | what mobo do you have? |
| 06:50.11 | DTRemenak | sam: aw, damn, then that's a mistake for sure! :) |
| 06:50.26 | sam | DTRemenak: no pb :) |
| 06:50.30 | awilcox | Lukstr: Intel S5000XVNSATAR, and the memory thing is turned on in the BIOS |
| 06:50.37 | awilcox | Windows 2003 recognised all 4GB when it was installed |
| 06:50.39 | Flash | thinks variables named l are a bad idea |
| 06:51.02 | awilcox | bbiab |
| 06:51.10 | Lukstr | points flash to C obfuscation contests... |
| 06:51.35 | sam | DTRemenak: also be careful, you added a few tabs here and there, it breaks indentation on editors with tab width == 8 |
| 06:52.03 | DTRemenak | ah, my bad. guess brlcad hasn't gotten to you with the emacs/vi indent block yet? |
| 06:52.47 | sam | I don't use the automatic stuff |
| 06:53.08 | DTRemenak | I have too many projects to set anything manually :( |
| 06:53.18 | Lukstr | awilcox: did you enable the northbridge's memory remap? |
| 06:53.26 | blast007 | hugs exTabSettings |
| 06:54.17 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17154 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/FTFont/FTFontGlue.cpp: l != 1, depending on your font of course |
| 06:54.44 | Lukstr | I only program in fonts where the 0's have slashes through them ;) |
| 06:54.46 | sam | I grew used to adapting to whatever insane coding style people use |
| 06:54.53 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1066 10/trunk/src/FTFont/FTFontGlue.cpp: l != 1, depending on your font of course |
| 06:55.52 | DTRemenak | VC is all or nothing - it either applies your settings to lines you change, or it forces you to actually type out your indentation |
| 06:55.54 | sam | FTGL wasn't that bad, except the unbalanced foo( bar) parentheses which I shamelessly got rid of |
| 06:56.08 | DTRemenak | yay, purge those unbalanced parens! :) |
| 06:56.17 | DTRemenak | wishes someone would do that for bzflag |
| 06:57.23 | sam | sed -i 's/( */(/' **/*.cpp **/*.[ch] |
| 06:57.26 | sam | and done :) |
| 06:57.58 | Lukstr | ~sed++ |
| 06:58.10 | DTRemenak | s/cpp/cxx/ first for bzflag :) |
| 06:58.45 | Lukstr | x's look more like plusses than p's ;) |
| 06:58.56 | DTRemenak | p looks more like "plus" :) |
| 06:59.09 | Lukstr | quit fabricating your lies |
| 06:59.24 | DTRemenak | notes that C# files are .cs not .c# or .ctt |
| 06:59.51 | Lukstr | let's restrict this debate to _good_ languages only ;) |
| 07:00.00 | DTRemenak | c# is not a bad language |
| 07:00.00 | sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.07 | Lukstr | such an angry language |
| 07:00.40 | blast007 | Lukstr: there's even some C# in the bzflag project ;) in the tools/ directory |
| 07:00.40 | sam | C# is really, really sweet |
| 07:00.43 | DTRemenak | smart, not angry :) |
| 07:00.49 | sam | the more you do C++ the more you like C# |
| 07:00.58 | DTRemenak | blast007: less c# than python :) |
| 07:01.29 | blast007 | DTRemenak: heck, there better be... there's a whole client/server written in Python |
| 07:01.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:01.37 | Lukstr | it's certainly excellent in many cases, but I find c/c++ much more flexible |
| 07:01.39 | DTRemenak | not that it works... :) |
| 07:01.49 | blast007 | DTRemenak: ... parts of it work :) |
| 07:01.56 | blast007 | I got it to view map files |
| 07:02.03 | DTRemenak | yup...that's about all it's good for :) |
| 07:02.11 | blast007 | even that was a pain |
| 07:02.18 | DTRemenak | just getting it to RUN is a pain |
| 07:02.23 | blast007 | I actually had to fix some code that belonged to python.. |
| 07:02.26 | DTRemenak | and that's after the fixes I checked in |
| 07:02.44 | sam | C++, more flexible? I'll believe that the day I have partial classes and private members that are really private |
| 07:03.01 | Lukstr | heh, who needs C# when you have C and JNI ;) |
| 07:03.23 | Lukstr | runs, ducks, covers tracks |
| 07:03.33 | DTRemenak | C++ templates are superior to C#'s. on the other hand, C# has these nifty delegate things... :) |
| 07:04.15 | Lukstr | too much typing in C# |
| 07:04.20 | Lukstr | (as in keys) |
| 07:04.39 | Lukstr | for us non-IDE people, at least |
| 07:04.40 | sam | C# has . instead of ->, that's less typing :) |
| 07:05.12 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: considering you can generally do something in 1/3 the lines, it seems to be less typing ;) |
| 07:05.42 | Lukstr | well, in the time I used it, it wasn't very pleasant ;) |
| 07:05.54 | blast007 | I'll be doing more C# once the new XNA SDK comes out with Zune support :) |
| 07:05.57 | Lukstr | I could probably just blame .NET and the company for that though |
| 07:06.01 | sam | of course using a 3rd generation language without an IDE isn't going to be pleasant |
| 07:06.05 | DTRemenak | 2.0 is vastly improved over 1.0 too. you DO get templates, and other interesting features. |
| 07:07.18 | Lukstr | I was mostly using our company SDK |
| 07:07.30 | DTRemenak | ah. can't vouch for the quality of that |
| 07:08.05 | Lukstr | me neither |
| 07:08.05 | Lukstr | it wasn't too pretty |
| 07:08.05 | DTRemenak | also, P/Invoke does tend to be burdensome, if you have to do a lot of calls to legacy libraries |
| 07:08.05 | Lukstr | but being able to completely manipulate a device was a lot of fun |
| 07:08.34 | Lukstr | that sounds very familiar and irritating |
| 07:08.57 | Lukstr | I think part of the SDK was in C++ |
| 07:08.58 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1067 10/trunk/src/ (FTCharmap.cpp FTFace.cpp): * Fix indentation by replacing a few tabs with spaces. |
| 07:08.59 | DTRemenak | the solution to that is to use all .NET libraries :) |
| 07:08.59 | Lukstr | Ohh that's right |
| 07:09.11 | Lukstr | but what if I don't want to use .NET at all? |
| 07:09.22 | DTRemenak | then why on earth are you using C#? |
| 07:09.24 | Lukstr | in a microsoft-less world! |
| 07:09.26 | Flash | what if you don't want a Windows server? |
| 07:09.37 | DTRemenak | .NET is NOT tied to Microsoft, or Windows |
| 07:09.42 | DTRemenak | only WF is |
| 07:09.50 | Flash | is there a server implementation for non-windows? |
| 07:09.56 | DTRemenak | mono |
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| 07:10.21 | sam | we wrote C# bindings for FTGL by the way :) |
| 07:10.26 | DTRemenak | awesome :) |
| 07:10.50 | sam | well, .NET bindings rather, I guess you can use Visual Basic or F# or whatever other insanity, too |
| 07:10.52 | DTRemenak | Flash: mod_mono if you're looking at web stuff |
| 07:11.00 | DTRemenak | mono proper otherwise |
| 07:11.27 | DTRemenak | is not a fan of ASP though |
| 07:11.46 | Lukstr | had a summer full of Microsoft last summer... :( |
| 07:11.49 | blast007 | PHP ftw! |
| 07:11.49 | DTRemenak | heh, F# |
| 07:12.05 | DTRemenak | is not a fan of PHP either :P |
| 07:12.20 | Lukstr | likes the idea of PHP, but not the implementation... |
| 07:13.04 | DTRemenak | mod_python ftw! :) |
| 07:13.29 | ruskie | http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/debian/ms_php_perl <-- rofl |
| 07:13.48 | Lukstr | indeed |
| 07:16.44 | Lukstr | oh dear |
| 07:17.02 | Lukstr | just booted up a PC and it beeped like it was dying some sort of HAL death |
| 07:18.51 | blast007 | as long as it doesn't start calling you "Dave" |
| 07:19.01 | Lukstr | hahahaha the fan just exploded |
| 07:19.07 | Lukstr | it fell OFF the video card |
| 07:19.09 | Lukstr | and out of the case |
| 07:19.12 | blast007 | o.O |
| 07:19.15 | Lukstr | not good |
| 07:19.23 | Lukstr | let's hope it can run fanless |
| 07:23.43 | blast007 | Lukstr: quick, turn off your screen so it doesn't draw anything! |
| 07:24.27 | Lukstr | oh it's not drawing anything anyways |
| 07:26.58 | Lukstr | haha it boots |
| 07:27.07 | Lukstr | unplugging the fan apparently fixed all issues |
| 07:27.10 | Lukstr | O.o |
| 07:29.19 | Lukstr | mmm, PIII 600MHz 256MB RAM |
| 07:29.23 | Lukstr | top of the line back in the day |
| 07:34.36 | Lukstr | this isn't good |
| 07:34.41 | Lukstr | video card getting very hot fanless |
| 07:36.24 | BulletCatcher | Flash: Even on an all-but-pristine r17137, your two patches still cause my bzfs to not respond to the client. It will probably be a couple of days before I have more time to spend on this, so feel free to move on without me. |
| 07:39.30 | blast007 | Lukstr: yeah, the heatsink on that GPU isn't designed for passive cooling ;) |
| 07:40.37 | Lukstr | hehehe |
| 07:41.03 | Lukstr | Interesting, it appears there is no nic. I wonder how I used to browse the internet on this thing, or I should figure out which of my friends stole it |
| 07:41.46 | blast007 | it uses sneakernet for packet delivery |
| 07:43.31 | Lukstr | but where |
| 07:43.37 | Lukstr | is the sneakernet interface card! |
| 07:45.17 | Lukstr | ohhhh I remember now |
| 07:45.32 | Lukstr | we stole it for my first server after I convinced my dad he'd survive on just the wireless dongle. |
| 07:45.35 | Lukstr | This is less good. |
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| 07:57.10 | Lukstr | blast007, and others who might be interested in my first server: http://i25.tinypic.com/350qrlu.jpg |
| 07:57.26 | Lukstr | I have captions to go with the numbering |
| 07:57.27 | CIA-33 | exTabSettings: 03dtremenak * r4 10/trunk/extabsettings/exTabSettings/Connect.cs: allow expandtab parameter for projects that choose not to embed tabs in their indent style (like FTGL) |
| 07:58.22 | DTRemenak | there. now if you ever DO get ex/emacs style blocks, JeffM and I will respect them automatically :) |
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| 08:02.30 | Lukstr | there, added captions to my junk box: http://i31.tinypic.com/2qvcw1h.jpg |
| 08:09.32 | awilcox | Lukstr: that looks like my 486 case. and my 486's case layout, too. |
| 08:10.04 | Lukstr | I have no idea who's been drinking with my BSDAdventure but I demand an answer for that bottle cap |
| 08:10.38 | Lukstr | that's actually my first desktop PC |
| 08:10.40 | Lukstr | :( |
| 08:11.32 | Lukstr | I should copyright my electrical tape drive bay |
| 08:14.48 | Lukstr | this is most unfortunate indeed. It seems, aside from cutting the case outright, the most direct method to retrieving the NIC is by removing everything else first. |
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| 08:24.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1068 10/trunk/msvc/ (Makefile.am vc8/Makefile.am): |
| 08:24.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Move msvc/Makefile.am back to its proper place. |
| 08:24.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Add the new visual studio build files to the distribution. |
| 08:29.11 | CIA-33 | exTabSettings: 03dtremenak * r5 10/trunk/extabsettings/Readme.txt: doc new capability |
| 08:29.11 | CIA-33 | exTabSettings: 03dtremenak * r6 10/trunk/extabsettings/exTabSettings/Connect.cs: set default to use tabs (as per microsoft defaults) |
| 09:34.44 | awilcox | DTRemenak: when you wake up tomorrow, explain to me what a C# project has to do with ex tab settings. |
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| 10:00.50 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1069 10/trunk/src/FTVectoriser.cpp: * Fix an unsigned int / size_t mismatch in FTVectoriser. |
| 10:01.28 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1070 10/trunk/demo/simple.cpp: * Show how to subclass FTFont classes in the simple demo. |
| 10:02.17 | sam | awilcox: it's a visual studio plugin written in C# |
| 10:10.34 | awilcox | sam: ah, okay. |
| 10:10.50 | awilcox | can't believe he's been up for 18 hours and can still think. |
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| 11:19.18 | spldart | Aaah... My linux router has fallen victim to the ever lovable inflated capacitor ;-] |
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| 11:52.50 | bz10 | Hello |
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| 11:53.03 | delusional_ | hello bz10, do you have a question? |
| 11:53.17 | bz10 | are you Optic Delusion? |
| 11:53.21 | delusional_ | I am |
| 11:53.36 | bz10 | Im Dont kill me im a beginer |
| 11:53.47 | whodaman | heh |
| 11:54.11 | delusional_ | ahh, if you want your account to be reinstated, you are going to have to beg. |
| 11:54.34 | bz10 | to beg.? |
| 11:54.42 | delusional_ | you've been banned for spamming this channel, and asking the same questions over and over |
| 11:55.17 | whodaman | Really, for being insanely ignorant. |
| 11:55.35 | spldart | w0rd |
| 11:55.49 | bz10 | what is beg. ? |
| 11:56.23 | delusional_ | ask, while saying please a lot. |
| 11:58.00 | bz10 | I know : I have to register me new |
| 11:58.27 | whodaman | beg = betteln |
| 11:58.34 | whodaman | bz10, Du bist Deutsch? |
| 11:58.40 | bz10 | ja |
| 11:58.51 | whodaman | Wo ist/war dein Problem? |
| 11:59.01 | bz10 | also ich ähh |
| 11:59.07 | bz10 | Ich wurde gebannt |
| 11:59.18 | bz10 | Mein Account wurde deaktiviert |
| 11:59.36 | whodaman | Okay, du wei?t warum? |
| 11:59.42 | bz10 | weil ich im chat ausversehen 12 mal dasselbe geschrieben habe |
| 12:00.07 | whodaman | Okay, hast du dich schon oeffentlich hier dafuer entschuldigt? |
| 12:00.10 | whodaman | ......... |
| 12:00.23 | whodaman | Wow, he really deserves nothing else than he gets. |
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| 12:01.51 | bz10 | Wenn ich was schreibe , sehe ich es erst nach 5 minuten |
| 12:02.13 | whodaman | bz10, dann besorg dir BITTE einen richtigen Klienten. |
| 12:02.15 | whodaman | Windows? |
| 12:02.17 | whodaman | Linux? |
| 12:02.17 | bz10 | Und dann war ich sauer und habe es 12 mal geschrieben |
| 12:02.19 | whodaman | OS X? |
| 12:02.23 | whodaman | Ja, ich verstehe. |
| 12:02.31 | bz10 | Windows Linux |
| 12:02.37 | whodaman | . |
| 12:02.39 | whodaman | Welches? |
| 12:02.49 | bz10 | im normalen Fall 304 Geöffnete Prozesse |
| 12:02.58 | bz10 | Windows UND Linux |
| 12:03.03 | whodaman | okay. |
| 12:04.14 | bz10 | Also das ist nicht schön: Wenn ich mich einlogge , kann ich es nicht. Wenn ich spiele kommt ein - anstatt ein+.Und ich darf nix schreiben |
| 12:04.23 | bz10 | Bisschen streng - Oder? |
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| 12:05.04 | whodaman | bz10, naja, ganz ehrlich, du hast leute wirklich provoziert |
| 12:05.05 | whodaman | http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 12:05.14 | whodaman | Lade dir dort einen RICHTIGEN IRC klienten runter |
| 12:05.23 | whodaman | Dann hast du keine Verz?gerung mehr. |
| 12:05.24 | bz10 | was ist X-chat? |
| 12:05.31 | whodaman | X-Chat ist ein IRC programm |
| 12:05.52 | bz10 | was ist ein Client? |
| 12:06.02 | whodaman | Au?erdem solltest du auf einem offiziellen match server, egal ob GU, pillbox oder ducati, IMMER im observer mode joinen |
| 12:06.03 | whodaman | Ok? |
| 12:06.11 | whodaman | Sonst st?rst du nur. |
| 12:06.15 | bz10 | weià ich |
| 12:06.24 | whodaman | Dann machs |
| 12:06.28 | bz10 | Ãbringens : Ich bin Kein beginner |
| 12:06.29 | whodaman | ein klient= ein programm |
| 12:06.33 | whodaman | Doch, bist du |
| 12:06.35 | bz10 | nur mein Name ist das |
| 12:06.47 | whodaman | 1. Du bist einer 2. Aender dein Name |
| 12:06.52 | whodaman | der ist nur provokant |
| 12:07.17 | whodaman | Ich bin hier kein Admin |
| 12:07.20 | bz10 | Und nun: Habe es Installiert |
| 12:07.30 | whodaman | Ok, dann machs auf |
| 12:07.54 | bz10 | habe es |
| 12:08.04 | whodaman | Dann verbinde |
| 12:08.22 | bz10 | mit was? |
| 12:08.28 | whodaman | mit irc.freenode.net |
| 12:08.29 | whodaman | #bzflag |
| 12:08.41 | bz10 | IRC.net? |
| 12:08.55 | whodaman | irc.freenode.net |
| 12:09.14 | whodaman | Wenn du dein Konto zurueck haben willst, musst du mit einem Admin reden.... donny_baker, blast007, JeffM, brlcad etc. |
| 12:09.53 | bz10 | ich frage donny_baker |
| 12:09.54 | spldart | Well.. It wasn't just an inflated cap.... One stick of memory has developed errors. |
| 12:10.20 | whodaman | bz10, du musst dich hier auch einfach an die Regeln halten |
| 12:10.27 | whodaman | im IRC sowie auch im Spiel |
| 12:11.16 | bz10 | Suche nach irc.ircnet.com |
| 12:11.48 | whodaman | Was? |
| 12:11.52 | whodaman | I said irc.FREENODE.net |
| 12:11.54 | whodaman | ok? |
| 12:11.59 | bz10 | Verbunden. Anmeldevorgang läuft... |
| 12:13.55 | bz10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.39 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1071 10/trunk/ (.gitignore demo/ demo/Makefile.am demo/c-demo.c docs/): * Create a C demo to show how the C bindings work. |
| 12:14.39 | bz10 | * Du sprichst jetzt in #bzflag |
| 12:14.58 | whodaman | bz10, ich bin ne Weile weg. |
| 12:15.05 | whodaman | spldart is here to help ;) |
| 12:16.47 | bz10 | ok |
| 12:16.52 | bz10 | und ähh |
| 12:16.59 | bz10 | was soll ich nun machen? |
| 12:17.07 | bz10 | Mit XChat? |
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| 12:19.13 | bz10 | hello? |
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| 12:22.40 | spldart | I did what? |
| 12:22.51 | spldart | heads out the door... taking kids to school |
| 12:55.01 | spldart | is sliightly back but needs to shower and leave for work soon. |
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| 13:05.11 | bz71 | Hello? |
| 13:05.44 | spldart | Hi |
| 13:05.54 | bz71 | hi |
| 13:06.31 | spldart | will bbl |
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| 13:09.58 | bz71 | bye |
| 13:10.29 | whodaman | bye |
| 13:10.52 | bz71 | and what is with delusional_? |
| 13:10.59 | whodaman | he's away |
| 13:11.08 | bz71 | his name is here |
| 13:11.28 | whodaman | that doesn't mean he's near the computer |
| 13:11.38 | whodaman | not everyone in this channel are currently sitting at their computer |
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| 13:24.00 | spldart | Ah... a refreshing shower |
| 13:24.04 | spldart | Now to pack up for work |
| 13:24.07 | spldart | hehe |
| 13:24.10 | spldart | I know tmi |
| 13:24.44 | whodaman | heh |
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| 13:30.55 | spldart | off to work |
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| 13:53.56 | Flash | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 14:01.17 | Flash | BulletCatcher: which OS? |
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| 15:18.10 | bz09 | hi |
| 15:18.34 | bz09 | some here? |
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| 15:20.43 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hello? |
| 15:21.15 | Dontkillmeimabeg | 02I have a Question02 |
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| 16:07.21 | whodaman | Dontkillmeimabeg, yes? |
| 16:07.50 | Dontkillmeimabeg | yes |
| 16:08.00 | whodaman | What's your question? |
| 16:08.16 | blast007 | hi Dontkillmeimabeg |
| 16:08.20 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hi |
| 16:09.50 | whodaman | [18:08] <Dontkillmeimabeg> When i go in Start men and go to BZ flag-Server at Server Start , i cant find my server |
| 16:10.00 | Dontkillmeimabeg | yes |
| 16:10.06 | whodaman | Ok.. |
| 16:10.18 | Dontkillmeimabeg | antwort gefunden? |
| 16:10.20 | blast007 | port 5154? |
| 16:10.23 | whodaman | that's probably because you have something wrong in your config? |
| 16:10.29 | Dontkillmeimabeg | yes |
| 16:10.30 | whodaman | paste your config here |
| 16:10.36 | blast007 | no.... |
| 16:10.39 | Dontkillmeimabeg | its started |
| 16:10.43 | whodaman | pastebin.com |
| 16:10.46 | whodaman | And then link me |
| 16:10.49 | blast007 | paste it here: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 16:10.49 | whodaman | s/me/us |
| 16:10.52 | blast007 | .... |
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| 16:10.57 | whodaman | blast007, I was gonna get to....... |
| 16:10.59 | whodaman | that |
| 16:11.00 | blast007 | paste it here: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 16:11.06 | whodaman | and then link us |
| 16:11.06 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i dont have config |
| 16:11.11 | blast007 | yes you do |
| 16:11.11 | whodaman | . |
| 16:11.15 | whodaman | For your server |
| 16:11.17 | whodaman | yes, you do |
| 16:11.22 | blast007 | either command line paramaters, or your config file |
| 16:11.30 | blast007 | for bzfs |
| 16:11.31 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I start menü , there is folder bz flag |
| 16:11.40 | Dontkillmeimabeg | then folder Server |
| 16:11.41 | blast007 | okay? |
| 16:11.47 | blast007 | .. |
| 16:11.48 | Dontkillmeimabeg | There are 4 Serversarts |
| 16:11.52 | blast007 | you are using the shortcuts? |
| 16:11.58 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I start it |
| 16:12.00 | Dontkillmeimabeg | yes |
| 16:12.05 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i think |
| 16:12.23 | Dontkillmeimabeg | what name have they in serverlist? |
| 16:12.38 | blast007 | well, one has: Lazy Users HIX CTF Server |
| 16:12.56 | blast007 | that's what the HiX ones show |
| 16:13.00 | blast007 | the other two aren't public servers |
| 16:13.19 | blast007 | did you set up your router to port forward 5154 to your computer? |
| 16:13.28 | Dontkillmeimabeg | no |
| 16:13.36 | blast007 | then you aren't going to be able to run a server |
| 16:13.43 | blast007 | it's not a magic shortcut you just run |
| 16:13.47 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i cant set |
| 16:13.51 | blast007 | then you can't run |
| 16:13.52 | blast007 | sorry |
| 16:13.56 | blast007 | we can't do anything about that |
| 16:13.57 | Dontkillmeimabeg | it runs |
| 16:14.04 | blast007 | so? |
| 16:14.13 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i dont know the servername |
| 16:14.19 | Dontkillmeimabeg | there are 500 server |
| 16:14.22 | blast007 | the server is not on the list |
| 16:14.29 | blast007 | because your router is not configured |
| 16:14.32 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i dont know |
| 16:14.33 | blast007 | we can't get to your server |
| 16:14.40 | blast007 | only people on your local network can get to your server |
| 16:14.43 | blast007 | it's as simple as that |
| 16:14.52 | blast007 | if we can't get to it, it won't show on the list |
| 16:15.23 | blast007 | ask your parents to configure the router for you |
| 16:16.51 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Start Server [HIX(public)] |
| 16:16.59 | Dontkillmeimabeg | then it runs |
| 16:17.04 | blast007 | yes, it does |
| 16:17.08 | blast007 | but it is NOT magic |
| 16:17.14 | blast007 | it will not make your router work |
| 16:17.20 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:17.29 | *** kick/#bzflag [Dontkillmeimabeg!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 16:18.46 | whodaman | hah |
| 16:18.51 | whodaman | nice |
| 16:19.00 | whodaman | He PMs me with "IM NOT A BEGINNER JUST HELP ME" |
| 16:19.11 | blast007 | lol |
| 16:19.30 | spldart | He got a very long ban on my server yesterday for spam and crap talk |
| 16:19.48 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 16:20.03 | whodaman | like....why don't you just change you damn name?! |
| 16:20.03 | spldart | He is getting to be quite the nuisance |
| 16:22.22 | JeffM2501 | because then he could not get a rise out of people |
| 16:28.46 | BulletCatcher | Flash: I am on 64-bit Fedora 8. |
| 16:41.28 | JeffM2501 | hmm looks like our shirt order will run late :( |
| 16:42.36 | JBdiGriz | How many shirts are on backorder? |
| 16:42.40 | JeffM2501 | 0 |
| 16:42.43 | JeffM2501 | art problems |
| 16:42.58 | JeffM2501 | dude could not open the inkscape SVGs |
| 16:43.07 | JeffM2501 | so I had to resave them and resend |
| 16:43.20 | JBdiGriz | I wouldn't worry if 0 people are waiting, "Don't worry, be happy" :) |
| 16:43.40 | JeffM2501 | well the entire order will basicly slip a couple days |
| 16:43.51 | JeffM2501 | it's bulk shipped to me |
| 16:44.16 | JeffM2501 | I saved them as "plain" svg and eps and resent them |
| 16:44.20 | JeffM2501 | hopefully it'll work |
| 16:44.51 | JBdiGriz | Was there any difference between the art from the first order and the second order? |
| 16:45.07 | JeffM2501 | yes, more art for the new items |
| 16:45.17 | JeffM2501 | polo shirt, hat, etc.. |
| 16:47.05 | JeffM2501 | hopefuly I'll get a proof soon |
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| 16:55.09 | blast007 | heh, seems they did pick a new name |
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| 17:00.53 | Ashvala | Hello |
| 17:01.03 | Ashvala | Anyone here? |
| 17:01.06 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 17:01.09 | JBdiGriz | ~ask |
| 17:01.10 | ibot | somebody said ask was Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 17:01.19 | Ashvala | Are you an Admin? |
| 17:01.28 | JeffM2501 | of what? |
| 17:01.36 | Ashvala | map or a server |
| 17:01.36 | JeffM2501 | I am an admin of some things |
| 17:01.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:01.46 | Ashvala | BZadmin... |
| 17:01.53 | Ashvala | Ok... Do me a favor |
| 17:01.56 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin is software |
| 17:02.12 | Ashvala | BZFlag Map or a BZflag Server! |
| 17:02.22 | JeffM2501 | what is your question |
| 17:02.24 | JeffM2501 | just ask it |
| 17:02.29 | JeffM2501 | in plain simple english |
| 17:02.37 | Ashvala | Look... Have you heard of Yonu? |
| 17:02.44 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:02.50 | Ashvala | Ok... NM |
| 17:02.57 | blast007 | o.O |
| 17:02.58 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 17:03.10 | Ashvala | Please dont swear! |
| 17:03.13 | JeffM2501 | would it be possible for you to be any more confusing? |
| 17:03.38 | Ashvala | More? Yes... Less? No Idea =) |
| 17:04.00 | blast007 | Ashvala: we can't help if you don't know what you want |
| 17:04.11 | blast007 | if we don't* |
| 17:04.16 | Ashvala | I wanna have YONU banned |
| 17:04.20 | JeffM2501 | how about you do me a favor and try to actualy communicate in a clear manner |
| 17:04.23 | JeffM2501 | Ashvala, from where? |
| 17:04.32 | whodaman | Ashvala, join ##bzmediation |
| 17:04.45 | whodaman | We'll talk about all the bans there. |
| 17:04.46 | JeffM2501 | servers are privately run |
| 17:04.50 | JeffM2501 | whodaman, don't |
| 17:05.53 | JeffM2501 | you guys, please never mention that channel here. again. |
| 17:06.00 | Ashvala | Jeff... U were kicked! |
| 17:06.03 | JeffM2501 | I Know |
| 17:06.06 | Ashvala | I mean Banned! |
| 17:06.12 | JeffM2501 | I am well aware of it |
| 17:06.22 | JeffM2501 | if you want to discuss a ban, talk to the owner of the server |
| 17:06.33 | JeffM2501 | who owns the server? |
| 17:06.41 | Ashvala | BenFish |
| 17:06.47 | JeffM2501 | then talk to him in priovate |
| 17:06.50 | JeffM2501 | private |
| 17:06.58 | JeffM2501 | give him real reasons and then it will be up to him |
| 17:07.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple as that |
| 17:07.28 | Ashvala | Ok... |
| 17:07.32 | blast007 | what were they doing? noticed they were on my server too |
| 17:07.36 | Ashvala | Do you know how to contact him |
| 17:07.45 | JeffM2501 | Ashvala, simplest is a PM on the fourms |
| 17:08.50 | JBdiGriz | blast007: It's better to take it to a different channel, or pm |
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| 17:08.58 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:09.18 | Ashvala | Oh... Ok |
| 17:10.43 | blast007 | Ashvala: see my PM |
| 17:10.52 | Ashvala | ok |
| 17:11.45 | blast007 | (on IRC, not the forum, if that wasn't clear) ;) |
| 17:12.00 | Ashvala | i know i even replied |
| 17:12.05 | blast007 | k |
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| 17:20.41 | RedBull | hey! |
| 17:20.45 | blast007 | hi |
| 17:21.09 | RedBull | just testing this. I'm on my phone =] |
| 17:22.24 | RedBull | can I make my own IRC form? |
| 17:22.40 | blast007 | sure, run your own web server and install CGI:IRC |
| 17:22.48 | blast007 | or use mibbit |
| 17:23.08 | KungFu | X-Chat |
| 17:23.13 | JeffM2501 | there is lots of info on it on the googles |
| 17:24.58 | KungFu | www.google.com |
| 17:25.02 | JeffM2501 | we know |
| 17:25.05 | JeffM2501 | can we help you? |
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| 17:25.12 | TheRedBaron | misreads and sees ##bzmeditation |
| 17:25.22 | TheRedBaron | where one seeks bz zen ? |
| 17:25.46 | TheRedBaron | "Be one with the rico my son" |
| 17:26.05 | Erroneous | meditates upon bz |
| 17:26.09 | TheRedBaron | "The radar is your friend - embrace the radar" |
| 17:26.29 | JeffM2501 | I would not know, since I am autobanned from there for the sheer nature of talking.. I just love how impartial they are |
| 17:26.53 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should make a meditation one, to help them ;) |
| 17:27.08 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: clearly, you have not embraced the radar |
| 17:27.18 | JeffM2501 | sure I did |
| 17:27.27 | JeffM2501 | how do you think it got crushed? |
| 17:27.47 | spldart | feels the love pulsing through this #room :-/ |
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| 17:30.01 | JeffM2501 | not all days are filled with love and joy |
| 17:30.28 | JeffM2501 | webchat usualy sees to that |
| 17:30.53 | KungFu | ??? |
| 17:31.14 | JeffM2501 | oh MY what ever made you think we were talking about you? |
| 17:31.31 | TheRedBaron | ~cookie JeffM2501 |
| 17:31.34 | KungFu | re you meaning me? |
| 17:31.52 | JeffM2501 | KungFu, I did not mention you specificly, no |
| 17:32.03 | blast007 | woah, pingmania |
| 17:32.03 | KungFu | .k |
| 17:32.08 | TheRedBaron | blast007: yea :( |
| 17:32.08 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:32.23 | TheRedBaron | I just thought JeffM2501 needed a cookie - so I was trying to send him one |
| 17:33.03 | JeffM2501 | naw I'm fine |
| 17:33.07 | JeffM2501 | thanks tho |
| 17:33.10 | Erroneous | mmm, cookies |
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| 17:33.24 | JeffM2501 | just curious why someone has a bit of a gilt trip? ;) |
| 17:33.32 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:33.33 | KungFu | cookies? |
| 17:33.56 | Erroneous | cookies. gooey, warm, freshly baked cookies. |
| 17:34.08 | KungFu | send they via e-mail |
| 17:34.32 | KungFu | :-) |
| 17:34.52 | KungFu | want cookies!!! |
| 17:36.04 | KungFu | are some or any here? |
| 17:36.36 | blast007 | any cookies? no |
| 17:36.43 | blast007 | any people? sure |
| 17:37.06 | KungFu | are you think , cookies write here too? No! |
| 17:37.25 | KungFu | or? |
| 17:38.02 | KungFu | no cookies can write |
| 17:38.04 | JeffM2501 | And you people say I type badly..... |
| 17:38.23 | JeffM2501 | are you asking if CGI IRC uses cookies? |
| 17:38.36 | *** join/#bzflag cookies (n=551fbbb7@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:38.38 | KungFu | nothing |
| 17:38.55 | JeffM2501 | ok.. this isn't going to get old soon |
| 17:39.01 | JeffM2501 | blast007, can we shut it down for a day? |
| 17:39.09 | blast007 | probably |
| 17:39.13 | KungFu | what shutdown? |
| 17:39.13 | JeffM2501 | I think we should |
| 17:39.18 | JeffM2501 | KungFu, web IRC |
| 17:39.26 | blast007 | I'll see what I can do |
| 17:39.34 | cookies | hi all |
| 17:39.38 | KungFu | hi |
| 17:39.40 | JeffM2501 | KungFu, don't |
| 17:39.41 | blast007 | cookies: hi KungFu |
| 17:39.46 | JeffM2501 | just don't |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM2501 | I am not in the mood |
| 17:40.42 | Erroneous | could just ban it for a day |
| 17:40.50 | JeffM2501 | I think we should require fourm reg for webIRC |
| 17:40.59 | Erroneous | sounds good to me |
| 17:41.06 | JeffM2501 | since it's suposed to be for players to ask for help |
| 17:41.08 | JeffM2501 | not this abbuse |
| 17:41.24 | blast007 | JeffM2501: okay.. so you need a webhead that knows perl ;) |
| 17:41.35 | JeffM2501 | have the mainpage link point to a wiki page that says how to register etc.. |
| 17:41.42 | JeffM2501 | blast007, or just hide the links |
| 17:41.55 | JeffM2501 | only show them on the fourm page |
| 17:42.00 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the simplest |
| 17:42.06 | blast007 | hmm |
| 17:42.09 | Erroneous | Tim's good with perl :) |
| 17:42.13 | JeffM2501 | but yeah hooking it into authwould be great |
| 17:42.25 | JeffM2501 | the problem could be with nick collisions |
| 17:42.44 | blast007 | CGI:IRC probably already deals with that |
| 17:42.48 | blast007 | appends numbers or something |
| 17:42.55 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 17:43.14 | TheRedBaron | CGI:IRC alerts you if the nick is already in use |
| 17:43.16 | JeffM2501 | the link in the header of the fourms could be disabled for non reg |
| 17:44.33 | JBdiGriz | If it's for players to ask for help, why don't we redirect them to the chat channel, rather than the development channel? |
| 17:45.15 | JeffM2501 | cus this is suposed to be dev AND help |
| 17:45.25 | JeffM2501 | but that's been discussed |
| 17:45.35 | JeffM2501 | we'd have to do better at monitoring |
| 17:45.54 | JBdiGriz | The guys in the chat channel are very helpful, and good at monitoring |
| 17:46.08 | JeffM2501 | we can try that |
| 17:46.09 | JBdiGriz | They can also push the development questions back to us. |
| 17:46.23 | JeffM2501 | so we make chat the default |
| 17:46.41 | JBdiGriz | How do the people who are in both channels feel about it? |
| 17:47.04 | JeffM2501 | it's prety full now adays |
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| 17:48.35 | JBdiGriz | And you and Erroneous are both ops over there as well, so you can continue to abuse^h^h^h^hssist the people who show up. |
| 17:48.55 | Erroneous | never pays attention over there |
| 17:50.18 | JeffM2501 | where is the config for webIRC? |
| 17:56.10 | JeffM2501 | chatbox link won't show unless you login now |
| 17:56.34 | JeffM2501 | and the wiki says to login |
| 17:56.59 | JeffM2501 | where is the sidebar for my.bzflag.org? |
| 17:58.03 | blast007 | JeffM2501: use grep, cuz I have no idea |
| 18:01.23 | JeffM2501 | there we go all done |
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| 18:19.06 | JBdiGriz | purple_cow: Do you have an extra room? |
| 18:19.17 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: ? |
| 18:19.28 | JeffM2501 | he got a job up there ;) |
| 18:19.30 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501 says I should crash at your house. |
| 18:20.02 | purple_cow | I've got a couch, but not really an extra room |
| 18:20.15 | JeffM2501 | was mostly joking |
| 18:20.39 | JBdiGriz | was joking as well, and wanted to see if purple_cow was paying attention |
| 18:20.45 | JeffM2501 | he usualy is |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, you should bribe them with video cards |
| 18:21.20 | JBdiGriz | purple_cow: Have you seen Iron Man yet? |
| 18:21.27 | purple_cow | of course |
| 18:21.42 | JeffM2501 | is scanlime working on building a suit yet? |
| 18:21.52 | JeffM2501 | with a USB interface |
| 18:21.54 | purple_cow | I don't think he's seen it yet, actually |
| 18:21.57 | JBdiGriz | Which theaters around here are digitally enabled? |
| 18:22.45 | purple_cow | most of them, I think. I usually end up going to the one on shoreline |
| 18:23.18 | JBdiGriz | goes to check Google maps, since he's still learning the area. |
| 18:31.26 | blast007 | hmm, any objects to reorganizing the web apps in our SVN? |
| 18:31.35 | blast007 | objections* |
| 18:31.52 | blast007 | maybe have them all in a services/ directory? |
| 18:32.04 | blast007 | so, like services/imagesubmit/ |
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| 18:38.09 | Constitution | sounds good to me |
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| 19:40.38 | TJ13820 | who owns Linuxmain.net? |
| 19:40.44 | TJ13820 | at port 6020? |
| 19:41.35 | Winny | nn owns linuxmain.net |
| 19:41.39 | Winny | go talk to him |
| 19:41.43 | whodaman- | hf |
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| 19:51.52 | awilcox | spldart: pingy :) |
| 19:52.05 | spldart | pongy |
| 19:52.35 | awilcox | spldart: is pogo feeling any better today? |
| 19:52.53 | spldart | yeppers... |
| 19:53.01 | awilcox | aw good. |
| 19:53.08 | spldart | She's probably off picking up the 3 youngest from school right now :) |
| 19:53.30 | awilcox | :D |
| 19:53.45 | awilcox | if and when she has any free time have her ping me ok? |
| 19:54.16 | spldart | oki doki |
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| 20:16.49 | EvanEjk | is it agents the rules or illegal to use the /saveworld thing and rehost the server? |
| 20:18.43 | Constitution | it's generally not a good idea unless you have the explicit permission of the map author |
| 20:19.40 | TheRedBaron | Constitution: eh? |
| 20:19.53 | Constitution | and if they've expressly forbidden it, then it's not a good thing at all |
| 20:21.11 | Constitution | TheRedBaron: yes? |
| 20:24.41 | Winny | EvanEjk: You need to check the map license first |
| 20:24.52 | EvanEjk | how would I do that |
| 20:24.58 | Winny | if you are unsure, ask the map maker or server owner. |
| 20:25.07 | EvanEjk | ok |
| 20:27.04 | Winny | frankly, if the map is already hosted, there's not really a reason to make another clone of it on the serverlist |
| 20:27.52 | TheRedBaron | Constitution, Winny, I think this post disagrees with you: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10575 |
| 20:28.19 | Winny | TheRedBaron: that only effects maps posted on the forums |
| 20:32.29 | TheRedBaron | EvanEjk: see if the map you want is on the forums then |
| 20:35.44 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, that is only for maps hosted on the fourms |
| 20:35.55 | JeffM2501 | map authors can license there maps however they want |
| 20:36.04 | JeffM2501 | EvanEjk, what map is it? |
| 20:38.35 | L4m3r | while generally legal, map 'jacking without permission is widely considered a douche move |
| 20:39.15 | L4m3r | unless, say, the author has long since vanished from the community and the map isn't hosted anywhere else |
| 20:39.58 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, it is not "legal" or "illiegal" |
| 20:40.04 | JeffM2501 | with regards to the project |
| 20:40.12 | JeffM2501 | we don't run servers or say how they are run |
| 20:40.14 | L4m3r | I mean with regard to copyright |
| 20:40.25 | JeffM2501 | that's up to the license and the author |
| 20:40.35 | JeffM2501 | it's not a nice thing |
| 20:40.39 | L4m3r | yeah, it depends on the map |
| 20:41.06 | L4m3r | hence "generally" :P |
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| 20:45.58 | blast007 | EvanEjk: check my PM on here |
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| 20:58.59 | SportChick | scrolls back to see why she was pinged |
| 20:59.07 | Winny | SportChick! |
| 20:59.20 | SportChick | hiya Winny |
| 20:59.32 | TheRedBaron | hides |
| 21:00.13 | brlcad | hey SportChick |
| 21:00.25 | SportChick | hiya brlcad |
| 21:00.30 | SportChick | eyes TheRedBaron suspiciously |
| 21:00.42 | TheRedBaron | bribes SportChick with a cookie |
| 21:00.59 | SportChick | doesn't accept cookies from married men :p |
| 21:01.08 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:01.14 | brlcad | SportChick: you missed a lovely racist bigot that needed some kline love |
| 21:01.20 | SportChick | (which is a very round-about way of saying "congrats, TheRedBaron") |
| 21:01.26 | SportChick | brlcad: was it jimbob? |
| 21:01.29 | SportChick | and what channel? |
| 21:01.34 | brlcad | SportChick: yup |
| 21:01.51 | SportChick | brlcad: which channel? |
| 21:01.52 | brlcad | oh various, numist was apparently talking to him but he's since disconnected |
| 21:02.05 | SportChick | yes, I saw that being discussed elsewhere |
| 21:02.15 | TheRedBaron | SportChick: even if the Mrs made the cookies? |
| 21:02.16 | SportChick | he spammed #freenode too |
| 21:02.26 | SportChick | TheRedBaron then she can give them to me :p |
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| 21:03.45 | Erroneous | distributes cookies to the whole channel |
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| 21:04.16 | Winny | Erroneous: 3rd party cookies? |
| 21:04.38 | SportChick | hiya Tupone |
| 21:04.42 | SportChick | hugs Erroneous |
| 21:04.47 | Tupone | ciao SportChick |
| 21:04.59 | Erroneous | hugs SportChick |
| 21:05.02 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: how *is* val? |
| 21:05.17 | SportChick | the wedding photos were beautiful btw |
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| 21:06.33 | TheRedBaron | SportChick: she is doing great. |
| 21:06.49 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: pls give her a big hug from me :) |
| 21:08.06 | TheRedBaron | will |
| 21:09.05 | Winny | SportChick, there |
| 21:09.07 | Winny | oops |
| 21:09.14 | awilcox | :o |
| 21:09.17 | awilcox | TheRedBaron is married!? |
| 21:09.20 | Winny | there's some guy in #freenode whose joining and posting random links |
| 21:09.46 | Winny | and then excess flooding, heh |
| 21:12.45 | Winny | SP3 is on windows update |
| 21:14.04 | brlcad | woot |
| 21:14.10 | Winny | downdates |
| 21:14.26 | brlcad | finally takes the time to learn split irssi windows and shakes fist at no veritcal split support |
| 21:16.08 | Constitution | takes it brlcad uses emacs |
| 21:16.20 | brlcad | of course |
| 21:16.36 | brlcad | don't leave home without it |
| 21:16.54 | JBdiGriz | don't leave /home without it |
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| 21:19.12 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1072 10/trunk/demo/simple.cpp: * Minor fixes to the simple demo. |
| 21:19.30 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1073 10/trunk/src/FTContour.cpp: |
| 21:19.30 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Make FTContour:FTContour comply with the FreeType specification and |
| 21:19.30 | CIA-33 | FTGL: remove duplicate points in the Bézier curves. Fixes weird rendering |
| 21:19.30 | CIA-33 | FTGL: errors with some fonts. |
| 21:19.44 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1074 10/trunk/src/FTContour.cpp: |
| 21:19.44 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Refactor FTContour::ComputeOutsetPoint so that it's twice as short, even |
| 21:19.44 | CIA-33 | FTGL: with the additional comments. |
| 21:26.55 | blast007 | EvanEjk: you there? |
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| 21:34.52 | F687s | Uh, <http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=123752#123752> |
| 21:34.57 | F687s | Is there something I'm missing? |
| 21:36.12 | Constitution | it already made a topic with that sort of accusation, so that's just spam as far as I'm concerned |
| 21:36.19 | Winny | great. now coldblooded is going to start spamming |
| 21:36.29 | blast007 | meh |
| 21:42.00 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1075 10/trunk/demo/simple.cpp: on recent MS compilers one must include stdlib.h before glut.h |
| 21:43.39 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1076 10/trunk/msvc/ (demo.cpp vc8/ftgl_demo.vcproj vc8/ftgl_demo_2.vcproj): make the windows demo build (on vc8 at least) |
| 21:45.28 | awilcox | nooooo |
| 21:45.32 | awilcox | huggles vim tightly |
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| 21:49.18 | JeffM2501 | Winny, you mean on the fourms? or elsewhere? |
| 21:51.59 | TJ13820 | does anyone know of where i might be able to get NN's power BZAdmin for linux? His link no longer works |
| 21:52.14 | JeffM2501 | TJ13820, send him a pm and ask |
| 21:52.18 | Winny | JeffM2501: I bet he's gogint to find every thread ALEXFRANCE posted in and go "omg he band me" |
| 21:52.19 | TJ13820 | okay |
| 21:52.39 | JeffM2501 | Winny, you didn't asnwer my question, cus he posted one post that I have seen |
| 21:52.43 | JeffM2501 | has he done others? |
| 21:52.53 | Lukstr | gives awilcox a delicious cookie |
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| 22:03.14 | Winny | SP3 restart..brb |
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| 22:09.09 | awilcox | mmm |
| 22:09.12 | awilcox | Lukstr: thanks :D |
| 22:09.38 | Winny | yay, SP3 |
| 22:09.40 | Winny | it's zippy |
| 22:09.53 | awilcox | Winny: is it really faster than SP2? |
| 22:10.12 | Winny | feels faster |
| 22:10.18 | awilcox | has been runnin for at least 20 days, doesn't believe in restarting -- evar -- and needs a big reason to restart |
| 22:10.19 | Winny | although it got rid of my vista theme.. not that that matters |
| 22:10.27 | Winny | was tired of it anyways |
| 22:10.32 | Winny | classic windows looks nice |
| 22:10.51 | awilcox | Winny: Vista Transformation Pack? |
| 22:10.55 | Winny | yeah |
| 22:11.03 | awilcox | heh I have that right now on my sp2 :P |
| 22:11.07 | Winny | :) |
| 22:11.32 | awilcox | I prolly wouldn't mind the "classic" XP look but I LOVE the Segoe UI font. |
| 22:11.55 | awilcox | I have always cringed at Tahoma, and MS Sans Serif looks 'rough' on a TFT, but this. This was MADE for TFTs. |
| 22:12.09 | Winny | Tahoma is awesome |
| 22:14.25 | L4m3r | cleartype :P |
| 22:20.43 | TJ13821 | get the Luna theme that has Royal for XP |
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| 22:33.26 | Winny | there we go |
| 22:36.56 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1077 10/trunk/msvc/ (8 files in 2 dirs): get rid of the (broken and obsolete) windows-specific demo, and obsolete VC6 readme (which has been superceded by the global msvc readme). build the normal and simple demos in visual studio too. |
| 22:37.41 | Erroneous | yay, working ftgl demos |
| 22:38.22 | brlcad | woot |
| 22:38.26 | donny_baker | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 22:43.04 | JeffM2501 | at least you had glut to test em |
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| 22:48.32 | TD-Linux | I like DejaVu Sans for my LCD |
| 22:48.51 | Winny | comic sans |
| 22:48.55 | Winny | :P |
| 22:51.32 | awilcox | eesh |
| 22:51.45 | awilcox | neither of those looks very good on LCDs :P |
| 22:51.53 | awilcox | Verdana doesn't look so bad though. |
| 23:01.02 | Winny | I <3 Tahoma |
| 23:22.02 | spldart | I have the best wife EVAR!!!!!!! http://70.240.240.206:8080/bzcake.html |
| 23:22.59 | spldart | I came home to that from work 8-0 |
| 23:23.35 | Constitution | lol |
| 23:24.13 | spldart | Bogeys are 'oreo's', tracks are 'fruit by the foot', flag is slice outta bread, chocolate cake and homemade icing with food coloring |
| 23:24.35 | spldart | Turret is 'ding dongs' |
| 23:24.47 | L4m3r | omg, spldart, lol |
| 23:24.57 | L4m3r | post that on bzbb :P |
| 23:25.10 | spldart | w0rd.. I'll do that |
| 23:25.56 | spldart | hrm.. which topic does that belong on bzbb |
| 23:26.11 | L4m3r | screenshots/artwork methinks. especially the latter :P |
| 23:28.01 | Winny | bugs and problems |
| 23:28.14 | Winny | "Help! My tank is dissapearing, and for some reason I'm no longer hungry" |
| 23:31.12 | spldart | lmao |
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| 23:50.26 | awilcox | ZOMG |
| 23:50.28 | awilcox | spldart: <3 |
