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| 00:03.34 | bryjen | ~bzpastebin |
| 00:03.34 | ibot | hmm... bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel |
| 00:04.45 | bryjen | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m54260798 |
| 00:05.48 | bryjen | deadoxygen :( |
| 00:10.33 | blast007 | heh |
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| 01:16.08 | donny_baker | anybody else see this, bzflag is mentioned: http://codingexperiments.com/archives/72 |
| 01:16.50 | donny_baker | nothing spectacular.. but it is mentioned with a screenshot |
| 01:18.28 | me1_ | that screenshot is overused |
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| 01:47.16 | F687s | agrees with me1_ wholeheartedly. (At least make something that doesn't look 1.x-ish) |
| 01:49.56 | me1 | thinks they should at least get their own screenshot. That one is cool and all, but it's used waay to much |
| 01:51.31 | F687s | What version was it taken with? |
| 01:52.21 | F687s | (after learning) Why do we have a screenshot from 1.10 when the game's approaching 3.0? |
| 01:53.12 | me1 | F687s, it's not "ours" It's a site saying bzflag is cool. |
| 01:54.06 | F687s | s/we/should anybody possibly/ # ;-) |
| 01:54.41 | me1 | Because on the internet, nothing grows old? |
| 01:55.19 | me1 | That plane game on that page is like, 212 mbyts |
| 01:55.27 | me1 | er.. mbytes |
| 01:56.39 | F687s | FlightGear always seems to crash on me. (Probably because I'm a horrible pilot ;-) |
| 01:58.31 | me1 | hehe |
| 02:01.53 | me1 | whats throttle? |
| 02:04.23 | me1 | needs to get a joystick |
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| 02:42.03 | delusional_ | ahs3- your new map, king of the ring is one of my favorite new maps in a long time... but i havent had time to play it... right now it doesnt want to correctly download the map when i join. Possibly a cache problem? |
| 02:48.54 | awilcox | delusional_: there's a new map that's actually fun? :( |
| 02:49.28 | delusional_ | this map is pretty good |
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| 02:50.49 | delusional_ | team KOTH on a sort-of circular map |
| 02:51.07 | delusional_ | im surprised there arent more circular maps |
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| 03:11.04 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17157 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (MatchManager.cxx MatchManager.h): conform to existing bzflag style, add missing footer |
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| 04:21.27 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17158 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (40 files): more style consistency cleanup |
| 04:33.41 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17159 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files): caught a few style straglers that were missed |
| 05:00.54 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r17160 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (8 files): more style pollution cleanup |
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| 05:03.09 | Flash | brlcad: absolutely no difference |
| 05:03.25 | Flash | config log: http://flash.pastebin.ca/1012416 |
| 05:03.37 | Flash | build output http://flash.pastebin.ca/1012417 |
| 05:04.02 | Flash | two odd things are "nothing to build in freetype" and it's still linking in the system freetype |
| 05:05.36 | brlcad | Flash: getting the system freetype would *be* the problem, so have to figure out why that is happening |
| 05:05.50 | brlcad | so long as it's using system, it's going to get the X11 path |
| 05:07.19 | Flash | what annoys me is the system freetype-config explicity appends -L/usr/X11/lib, but libtoollize converts -lfreetype to /usr/X11/lib/libfreetype.dylib (making the -L pointless) |
| 05:07.22 | brlcad | according to your configure output, it did correctly turn off system freetype |
| 05:07.41 | Flash | ok, I'll try yet another pristine build |
| 05:08.46 | Flash | is this unique to OS 10.5, or has noone else tried a Mac build? |
| 05:09.12 | brlcad | freetype-config is in your cached results, hence part why it's still busted |
| 05:09.55 | brlcad | unique to 10.5, apple started using a new Xorg r7 X11 version |
| 05:11.44 | Flash | I see; found the cache: ac_cv_path_FT2_CONFIG=${ac_cv_path_FT2_CONFIG=/usr/X11/bin/freetype-config} |
| 05:11.47 | brlcad | there are lots of things wrong with that install of X11, several bugs reported |
| 05:12.00 | brlcad | just no update since release |
| 05:12.18 | brlcad | if you run autogen.sh it should invalidate your caches |
| 05:12.45 | Flash | ok; I did a fresh pull from SVN in a new directory just to be sure. configure is running now |
| 05:14.41 | Flash | grrrrr |
| 05:14.44 | Flash | NO change |
| 05:16.53 | Flash | my newly generated cache still points to the system freetype |
| 05:21.21 | brlcad | then have to follow the configure.ac logic more closely, see where things are going awry |
| 05:21.43 | brlcad | alas, not me at least not tonight .. |
| 05:21.48 | brlcad | much wander for a bit |
| 05:23.35 | Flash | if I had to guess (and I don't speak configure.ac) I'd say that not enough variables are getting set with --enable-freetype-build |
| 05:26.17 | Flash | maybe --with-ft-prefix=<what goes here> |
| 05:32.49 | Flash | most likely in freetype2.m4 is where the issue will be solved |
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| 06:14.13 | mib_bxmgd4 | hi |
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| 08:31.03 | BulletCatcher | Flash, I can make your patch work by adding a sleep(1); statement in bzfs.cxx about line 319 between the "just read in the first N bits" comment and the call to handler->receive(). |
| 08:31.10 | BulletCatcher | Without the sleep, NetHandler::receive() returns "ReadPart" because 0 bytes were read from the socket (EAGAIN error). |
| 08:31.16 | BulletCatcher | I suspect that a select() call elsewhere is returning too soon, but perhaps the socket is supposed to be non-blocking. |
| 08:36.29 | BulletCatcher | will now sleep for 10000 seconds |
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| 10:01.57 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1104 10/trunk/src/FTContour.cpp: * Minor cosmetic fix (remove tab). |
| 10:02.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1105 10/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:02.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Put a few wrapper functions into extern "C++" braces because they return |
| 10:02.48 | CIA-33 | FTGL: references to C++ objects. |
| 10:03.22 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1106 10/trunk/BUGS: * Update BUGS. |
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| 11:18.50 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hi |
| 11:20.01 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hello? |
| 11:20.07 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hello |
| 11:20.11 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hello! |
| 11:26.54 | delusional | ~ask |
| 11:26.54 | ibot | from memory, ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 11:27.26 | Dontkillmeimabeg | hello |
| 11:28.40 | Dontkillmeimabeg | What was the first version from BZ Flag? |
| 11:30.32 | delusional | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Versions |
| 11:32.33 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I cant Download the old versions |
| 11:32.39 | Dontkillmeimabeg | but i want they :-( |
| 11:37.55 | Manu | Dontkillmeimabeg: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248 |
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| 12:17.52 | rtfm | Dontkillmeimabeg: why would you want the old versions? |
| 12:18.12 | Dontkillmeimabeg | they are nice |
| 12:18.17 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i have much versions |
| 12:20.00 | rtfm | ? |
| 12:20.52 | Manu | rtfm: because he is a beg :) |
| 12:21.08 | whodaman- | Manu, haven't you heard?! It's just his name ;) |
| 12:21.12 | Dontkillmeimabeg | no |
| 12:21.14 | Dontkillmeimabeg | yes |
| 12:21.18 | rtfm | Dontkillmeimabeg: how are the old versions nice? |
| 12:21.34 | whodaman- | 2.0.2 offers full radar - only useful thing IMO |
| 12:21.39 | rtfm | if you're meaning 1.7 and 1.10, nobody plays those :P |
| 12:21.42 | Dontkillmeimabeg | they are nice |
| 12:21.58 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i want the newest version |
| 12:22.13 | Dontkillmeimabeg | 2.99 |
| 12:22.20 | Dontkillmeimabeg | where can i download it? |
| 12:22.20 | rtfm | Dontkillmeimabeg: get it then |
| 12:22.28 | rtfm | it's in SVN |
| 12:22.31 | rtfm | you have to compile it |
| 12:22.33 | Manu | Dontkillmeimabeg: it isn't a released version |
| 12:22.49 | rtfm | but you'd have a better chance of getting hit by an asteroid during a full moon |
| 12:23.01 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i have 2 unreleased versions |
| 12:23.09 | Dontkillmeimabeg | you can download it |
| 12:23.11 | rtfm | unlikely |
| 12:23.15 | Dontkillmeimabeg | but the newest... |
| 12:23.21 | rtfm | you have versions that WERE released for testing |
| 12:23.25 | Manu | Dontkillmeimabeg: I can download it? :) |
| 12:23.32 | rtfm | just not an official release |
| 12:23.42 | Dontkillmeimabeg | i test it |
| 12:23.48 | Dontkillmeimabeg | my vote : ITS GREAT |
| 12:23.51 | rtfm | what compiler do you have? |
| 12:24.56 | donny_baker | Dontkillmeimabeg: quit yanking our chain.. we went through all this yesterday |
| 12:26.09 | rtfm | heh |
| 12:26.19 | rtfm | self-pwned |
| 12:26.36 | rtfm | I hope their "unreleased version" crashed their OS |
| 12:28.24 | whodaman- | hah |
| 12:29.09 | Manu | rtfm: the unreleased version isn't so bad ;) |
| 12:30.03 | rtfm | how can we be sure, since it was never "released" ;) |
| 12:30.45 | Manu | heh |
| 12:31.04 | Manu | 2.99 for Jeff 2.99000000001 |
| 12:41.51 | delusional | i want to check out the new match management system so bad, but couldnt compile last weekend, will try again this weekend |
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| 13:16.11 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Hello |
| 13:18.55 | sam | seriously, how can people possibly use sourceforge? |
| 13:19.27 | Dontkillmeimabeg | YOu can use it to Download things |
| 13:19.31 | sam | each big commit I do takes several minutes and aborts with a 500 Internal Error from time to time |
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| 13:30.47 | nn64 | hi |
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| 13:42.32 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1107 10/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:42.32 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Add a few pictures to the documentation to illustrate what the font |
| 13:42.32 | CIA-33 | FTGL: objects look like. |
| 13:42.32 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Generate EPS files at build time if the LaTeX output is activated. |
| 13:43.10 | sam | 27 minutes, yay |
| 14:00.03 | Flash | BulletCatcher: the socket is supposed to be non-blocking (NetHandler.cxx:970); the pendingRead callback is invoked because the socket is set in the read fdset (line 937ff) |
| 14:00.25 | Flash | I don't know why you are getting EAGAIN (especially on a local network) |
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| 14:20.55 | sam | brlcad: last week a user wrote me an email saying "Rendering Pixmap fonts thought FTSimpleLayout isn't proper. GL is not configured correctly." |
| 14:21.13 | sam | brlcad: he hasn't answered my request for more information, maybe you can make sense of what he says? |
| 14:32.21 | sam | oh crap, it looks like some inheritance problem with virtual functions |
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| 14:59.56 | whodaman- | heh |
| 15:01.03 | Lukstr | whodaman-: at the wild nick changing? |
| 15:01.19 | whodaman- | Lukstr, I wouldn't call that wild, but yeah :) |
| 15:01.24 | Lukstr | ehh |
| 15:01.32 | Lukstr | I'm sick of getting DC'd in the night |
| 15:01.38 | Lukstr | so I'm linking my alts together |
| 15:02.59 | Lukstr | should get around to writing some perl scripts... |
| 15:03.07 | Lukstr | but first, mother's day shopping! |
| 15:03.27 | whodaman- | that's...Sunday? |
| 15:03.32 | Lukstr | yessir |
| 15:03.35 | whodaman- | ugh |
| 15:03.37 | whodaman- | I meant |
| 15:03.38 | whodaman- | yay |
| 15:03.42 | Lukstr | hahaha |
| 15:03.47 | whodaman- | :P |
| 15:06.15 | Lukstr | or perhaps I'll check out this irissi thing |
| 15:07.06 | Lukstr | desperately anticipated NOIDPREFIX implementation |
| 15:07.17 | Lukstr | s/ted/tes/ |
| 15:18.23 | think_tank | freenode scrapped plans for NOIDPREFIX |
| 15:41.24 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1108 10/trunk/ (demo/FTGLDemo.cpp test/demo.cpp): reference a font that actually exists.. alas we do not all have a /Users/henry/Development directory. at least this one will exist if X11 is installed. |
| 15:43.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03brlcad * r1109 10/trunk/AUTHORS: add daniel and jeff |
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| 16:10.06 | Lukstr | think_tank: :( * 10 |
| 16:10.19 | think_tank | nods |
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| 16:41.05 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Hello |
| 16:41.12 | JeffM | hello |
| 16:45.00 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I have a question |
| 16:45.30 | Dontkillmeimabeg | How old is BZ Flag version 1.7e0 ? |
| 16:45.45 | JeffM | e0 is early 200's IIRC |
| 16:45.50 | JeffM | 2000s |
| 16:45.53 | JeffM | why? |
| 16:46.36 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I have it |
| 16:46.55 | JeffM | so? |
| 16:47.10 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I i have to delete it? |
| 16:47.50 | JeffM | no |
| 16:47.52 | JeffM | why woudl you? |
| 16:54.51 | JeffM | it's just old |
| 16:55.29 | Dontkillmeimabeg | What is the newest version? |
| 16:55.40 | JeffM | same as it was yesterday |
| 16:55.42 | JeffM | 2.0.10 |
| 16:56.07 | JeffM | that is the curent release version |
| 16:56.10 | Dontkillmeimabeg | how many versions can come in the future? |
| 16:56.12 | JeffM | 2.99.x is in development |
| 16:56.23 | JeffM | Dontkillmeimabeg, as many as we want |
| 16:56.52 | Dontkillmeimabeg | 100.000 versions |
| 16:56.57 | JeffM | there is no limit |
| 16:57.13 | JeffM | as long as someone wants to make versions, they can |
| 16:58.14 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Try to lokk on the oldest and then on the newest version |
| 16:58.30 | Dontkillmeimabeg | they are much different |
| 16:58.34 | JeffM | the oldest version of bzflag is not open source |
| 16:58.38 | JeffM | yes we have changed a lot |
| 16:59.05 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Can they change next time the Ubuntu-Problem? |
| 16:59.20 | JeffM | who is they? |
| 16:59.33 | Dontkillmeimabeg | You cant self destruct |
| 16:59.44 | JeffM | I do not understand what you are asking |
| 16:59.45 | Dontkillmeimabeg | You are much times on bases sealed |
| 16:59.55 | JeffM | there are many bugs in 2.0.x |
| 17:00.00 | JeffM | we are trying to fix them for 3.0 |
| 17:00.12 | Dontkillmeimabeg | that is good |
| 17:00.30 | Dontkillmeimabeg | what was the first version of bz flag? |
| 17:00.56 | JeffM | that was open source? or that the origonal author wrote? |
| 17:01.14 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I think Open Source |
| 17:01.25 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I dont know it better |
| 17:01.26 | JeffM | C0 I think |
| 17:01.37 | JeffM | of the 1.7 line |
| 17:01.45 | JeffM | I have B2 somewhere |
| 17:01.55 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I look on http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248 |
| 17:02.04 | JeffM | good for you |
| 17:02.55 | Dontkillmeimabeg | it was Open Source |
| 17:03.07 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Now is there a windows installer too |
| 17:03.12 | JeffM | anything on SF is from after it went open source |
| 17:03.24 | JeffM | we have had an installer for a long time |
| 17:03.47 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Is there a version , that dont need installer? |
| 17:03.55 | Dontkillmeimabeg | Download and run? |
| 17:03.57 | JeffM | no version NEEDs an installer |
| 17:04.09 | JeffM | all would run from like a zip file |
| 17:04.10 | Dontkillmeimabeg | ok |
| 17:04.19 | JeffM | the installer just makes it simple |
| 17:04.20 | Dontkillmeimabeg | I use installers |
| 17:04.24 | JeffM | good for you |
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| 18:18.13 | JeffM | the embriodery poofs seem to be decent, http://picasaweb.google.com/JeffM2501/Embroidery |
| 18:19.30 | JeffM | or at least as good as can be expected for so small |
| 18:23.15 | think_tank | Do you know the stitch count for them? |
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| 19:30.01 | JeffM | think_tank, no I do not |
| 19:30.37 | think_tank | np, just curious |
| 19:30.48 | think_tank | they look pretty solid |
| 19:31.01 | JeffM | yeah they are prety small |
| 19:31.43 | Dontkillmeimabeg | bye |
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| 19:37.15 | JeffM | anyone here from the the netherlands? |
| 19:37.41 | JeffM | or can help me with european postal addresses? :) |
| 19:39.33 | donny_baker | JeffM: looks great |
| 19:40.20 | JeffM | sadly they arn't starting production untill next week :( |
| 19:41.01 | donny_baker | well at least they will get done :) |
| 19:41.30 | ruskie | JeffM, what do you need(not from NL but could get in contact with a few or might be able to help with the eu addys) |
| 19:41.48 | donny_baker | is wearing his BZFlag shirt to the ballpark tonight... fireworks night o/ |
| 19:44.05 | JeffM | ruskie, in the address, 6500 HD Nijmegen, is HD the province? |
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| 19:44.39 | JeffM | 6500 is the postal code I think |
| 19:45.07 | ruskie | yup |
| 19:45.21 | JeffM | thanks |
| 19:45.23 | ruskie | hmm not the whole world has provinces or states... |
| 19:45.45 | ruskie | from what I can see there's HC Nijmegen and others |
| 19:45.49 | JeffM | wikipedia says it's in "Gelerlund" |
| 19:45.59 | JeffM | HD is part of the city then? |
| 19:46.04 | ruskie | possibly |
| 19:46.10 | ruskie | it's all the same postal code though |
| 19:46.23 | JeffM | well I'll throw it in |
| 19:46.30 | ruskie | it's a valid address |
| 19:46.40 | ruskie | http://www.ru.nl/students/contact_and_services/addresses/ <-- atleast from a quick websearch |
| 19:52.42 | JeffM | thanks |
| 20:13.24 | Manu | ~ruskie++ |
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| 21:27.00 | KingofCamelot | Hello |
| 21:27.52 | blast007 | hi |
| 21:29.27 | KingofCamelot | I'm dropping by to let you guys know I'm still around, lol. I haven't been around because my computer died on me, but I'm getting a replacement in the next few days. So just because I'm not around doesn't mean I've disappeared. :) |
| 21:29.51 | blast007 | fun |
| 21:30.49 | Constitution | may I recommend http://www.apple.com/getamac |
| 21:31.01 | Erroneous | hah |
| 21:31.08 | blast007 | Constitution: no you may not |
| 21:31.14 | Constitution | aww |
| 21:31.15 | blast007 | but thanks for asking |
| 21:31.28 | Constitution | actually, my question was rhetorical ;) |
| 21:31.37 | KingofCamelot | :P |
| 21:31.42 | JBdiGriz | recommends http://www.apple.com/getamac, and tells blast007 to stuff it ;) |
| 21:31.49 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 21:31.54 | KingofCamelot | I'm actually on my roommate's macbook pro right now :P |
| 21:31.54 | JeffM | if he was made of money he'd not be in SoC ;) |
| 21:32.04 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:32.15 | blast007 | JeffM: or maybe he needs SoC to buy the Mac ;) |
| 21:32.30 | JeffM | blast007, does that even cover one? |
| 21:32.33 | JBdiGriz | But being in SoC means he can get educational discounts on computers |
| 21:32.38 | blast007 | shrugs |
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| 22:13.06 | L4m3r_ | macbooks are dirt cheap through UCLA when they go on sale, but the discounts on other stuff are not as significant |
| 22:13.11 | L4m3r_ | and macbooks are weak :P |
| 22:13.22 | L4m3r_ | college yuppies love 'em though |
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| 23:12.00 | scgtrp | what can i put in a map file to say that all spawns should be on top of a box instead of on the ground? |
| 23:13.22 | BulletCatcher | You'll have to set up spawn zones that are on the boxes. |
| 23:14.17 | scgtrp | spawn zones... got a wiki page on that? |
| 23:14.25 | scgtrp | (or any other page) |
| 23:14.36 | scgtrp | nm, found it |
| 23:21.39 | BulletCatcher | Flash: I uploaded a fix for the hang problem to https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1961275&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 23:21.41 | BulletCatcher | The last paragraph of the comment on that page raises a question for experienced BZFlag developers. |
| 23:23.31 | Erroneous | yes, it should be handled in receive |
| 23:24.12 | BulletCatcher | thought so :-) |
| 23:26.42 | Erroneous | if it's appropriate to handle it that way, that is. we prefer not to block wherever possible, so depending when you get it, EAGAIN should mean either "wait until you get the rest of this message" or "come back next loop itr" |
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| 23:33.56 | BulletCatcher | Looking more closely, bzfs does not properly attempt to handle the case where fewer than strlen(BZ_CONNECT_HEADER) bytes are returned on the first read. There must be a loop at that level to do that, and it could deal with the EAGAIN. |
| 23:34.09 | BulletCatcher | And then we could leave receive() alone. |
| 23:35.16 | Erroneous | if possible, rather than looping for a particular connection (which basically makes our net i/o block), we should just come back during the next iteration of the main loop. of course, if we've already recieved some of the data that's not really practical. |
| 23:35.49 | Erroneous | just something to keep in mind. "hang out for a few ms" adds up really quickly. |
| 23:36.09 | BulletCatcher | I understand. I'll think about how to make it practical. |
| 23:37.41 | BulletCatcher | The ungetc() model comes to mind. |
| 23:46.07 | BulletCatcher | In my case, since no data was received at all it should be enough just to come back in the next loop, but in this case I think the delay is between the select() and recv(), and select() seems to fire only once. |
| 23:46.35 | BulletCatcher | It could be a kernel bug, but now I'll have to go back and look some more. |
| 23:47.52 | Erroneous | ok. if we have to wait, we have to wait...that's ok too |
| 23:48.14 | Erroneous | eventually networking will be in its own thread and we will not worry about blocking |
| 23:51.47 | BulletCatcher | If I leave the usleep() where it is then it can only occur once per connection. That's a very small step down the slippery slope. |