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| 00:38.34 | spldart | pokes CIA-34 |
| 01:02.18 | a_meteorite | hugs CIA-34 |
| 01:02.26 | CIA-34 | hugs a_meteorite |
| 01:03.35 | spldart | ~larts CIA-34 |
| 01:04.10 | JeffM2501 | the bot isn't busted |
| 01:04.16 | JeffM2501 | it's the website/script system |
| 01:05.20 | spldart | err oh |
| 01:05.32 | JeffM2501 | hugs CIA-34 |
| 01:05.32 | CIA-34 | hugs JeffM2501 |
| 01:05.35 | JeffM2501 | see they work fine |
| 01:05.40 | JeffM2501 | they just have no input from the site |
| 01:05.53 | JeffM2501 | the site was busted so it's ghuging thru all the commits |
| 01:05.57 | spldart | puts ibot and CIA-34 in a deathmatch with each other |
| 01:06.07 | spldart | sry |
| 01:06.09 | spldart | I'll stop |
| 01:06.18 | JeffM2501 | now noone can laugh at my template system :) |
| 01:06.23 | JeffM2501 | goes to buy hardwarez |
| 01:06.37 | spldart | needs to find another project to do |
| 01:07.50 | spldart | Hrm.. My next hardware is gonna be components to build a regulator for my solar panel to run various devices @ various voltages |
| 01:08.04 | Lukstr | transformer? |
| 01:08.28 | spldart | Solar = DC so unless I wanna do an inverter then no |
| 01:09.02 | spldart | I'm thinking simpler and do a darlington power transformer with an array of zener diodes and a rotary encoder to make a selectable regulator |
| 01:09.10 | spldart | GAH |
| 01:09.16 | spldart | s/tranformer/transistor |
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| 01:41.44 | TD-Linux | spldart, you're using linear regulation from a solar panel? |
| 01:45.14 | spldart | essentialy a simple emitter follower series linear regulator using a darlington device. |
| 01:45.25 | spldart | will brb... gotta go to teh grocery store for a sec |
| 01:57.37 | AAA_awright | ~lart AAA_awright |
| 01:57.37 | ibot | farts in AAA_awright's general direction |
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| 02:02.25 | brlcad | la negra tiene tumbao |
| 02:04.40 | spldart | is back... btw small little solar panel.... 15 watts |
| 02:08.38 | a_meteorite | what for? |
| 02:08.46 | spldart | fun |
| 02:09.06 | spldart | R U asking about my panel or something else? |
| 02:09.12 | TD-Linux | I would use some dedicated solar power circuitry :P |
| 02:09.18 | TD-Linux | stuff that draws ideal voltage/current |
| 02:09.23 | spldart | to much money for only 15 watts |
| 02:09.28 | TD-Linux | with dc-dc converter |
| 02:09.35 | TD-Linux | 15 watts is a pretty hefty solar panel |
| 02:09.38 | spldart | and I wanna run everything from 3 volts to 18 |
| 02:09.41 | TD-Linux | must have cost you a few hundred? |
| 02:09.46 | spldart | and dc dc converters have some losses |
| 02:09.51 | spldart | Nah |
| 02:09.56 | TD-Linux | not nearly as much loss as a linear regulator :P |
| 02:10.10 | TD-Linux | spldart, where are these cheap solar panels you speak of ? |
| 02:10.48 | spldart | It's really hard to make a dc to dc converter that can handle 24 all the way down to 10 volts in and still deliver a regulate and selactable 3 6 9 12 and 15 volts |
| 02:11.02 | spldart | In fact... nothing is available for that and I'd have to build it myself |
| 02:11.44 | spldart | 15 watt solar panel for 130 bux + tax @ Fry's |
| 02:12.24 | spldart | I realize the efficiency isssues with an emitter follower series regulator but I'm also aware of the design issue with a dc to dc converter that can fit the bill |
| 02:13.19 | spldart | I've been designing and building custom DC to DC converters for 12volt to various voltages based on the TL494 and SG3525 PWM ic's for like 15 to 17 years... |
| 02:14.16 | spldart | If I had only one task.. such as charge my laptop.. I'd do it |
| 02:14.56 | spldart | I could perscribe 12 to 24v in and 16 volt out and be done. not so hard and yeah. over 90% efficient |
| 02:15.19 | spldart | the panel has an open voltage or 25 volts or so and a 15 watt output @ like 10 volts |
| 02:16.39 | TD-Linux | okay yeah I see |
| 02:16.44 | TD-Linux | to me 130 isn't cheap though :P |
| 02:18.03 | spldart | BTW.. it's for completely wireless operation of devices... Charge the motorcyle battery, run a radio, charge my little Pana Toughbook CFM, charge the cell phone etc etc without need of grid power |
| 02:18.40 | TD-Linux | sounds like fun |
| 02:18.48 | TD-Linux | I want something like that, smaller though |
| 02:18.50 | spldart | Nerd fun |
| 02:18.55 | spldart | Oh |
| 02:19.17 | TD-Linux | just to charge a few AAs maybe, or power small electronics |
| 02:19.22 | brlcad | kicks CIA-34 |
| 02:19.23 | spldart | Then look into the 'survivalist' catalogs.. they have folding solar panels that can be small yet still deliver some juice |
| 02:19.30 | TD-Linux | those are the only things I usually need off grid power |
| 02:19.49 | TD-Linux | and the only ones I can afford :P |
| 02:20.20 | spldart | I was beating CIA up earlier but JeffM chastised me saying it wasn't it's fault :-p |
| 02:20.40 | spldart | Something about the commit updates aren't getting out of svn or whateva |
| 02:20.48 | CIA-34 | ow |
| 02:20.55 | spldart | err.. sorucefroge |
| 02:20.57 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:21.06 | spldart | needs to shut up now... |
| 02:26.02 | a_meteorite | brlcad: your kicking kicked my and your CIA off! |
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| 02:39.41 | brlcad | a_meteorite: cia is massively overloaded atm, I was checking to see if I need to reset it (and that told me that I did) |
| 02:39.44 | brlcad | load is massive |
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| 02:40.08 | spldart | Oh... |
| 02:40.12 | spldart | Really |
| 02:40.16 | spldart | heh |
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| 02:41.23 | brlcad | i've had a simple lsof running for nearly 20 minutes now |
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| 02:45.15 | blast007 | brlcad: fun |
| 02:45.42 | short_circuit | interesting |
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| 02:53.41 | brlcad | kills cia |
| 02:58.28 | brlcad | alright, that's a bit better, load is still insane though |
| 02:58.30 | brlcad | hugs CIA-33 |
| 02:58.36 | CIA-33 | hugs brlcad |
| 03:09.22 | brlcad | and down she goes |
| 03:10.23 | brlcad | does a full reset |
| 03:12.01 | JBdiGriz | How much scotch does a full reset take? |
| 03:13.30 | a_meteorite | until you see sparks |
| 03:13.30 | brlcad | about 30 proof |
| 03:14.08 | brlcad | wow, talk about pavlovian conditioning |
| 03:14.12 | brlcad | my mouth is watering |
| 03:14.17 | brlcad | mmm. |
| 03:14.19 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:14.28 | JBdiGriz | :D |
| 03:17.55 | brlcad | okay, cia loading back up now .. |
| 03:23.01 | brlcad | wow, nearly 50k people on freenode atm |
| 03:25.08 | blast007 | is that counting my 5k trojaned Windows 95 machines? (jk) :P |
| 03:27.33 | brlcad | isn't that what quakenet is for? :) |
| 03:29.08 | brlcad | wee, about half the bots are joined |
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| 03:31.56 | Flash | what messages are valid/expected over UDP from a non-connected client/user? |
| 03:57.08 | brlcad | Flash: don't really recall, but they should be in the proto doc |
| 03:58.38 | Flash | sadly, the protocol handling is scattered about several places |
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| 03:59.43 | brlcad | hence the need for the doc ;) |
| 04:00.01 | brlcad | they're all Msg prefixed though |
| 04:00.37 | Flash | at this point, I'm just trying to abstract the network handling from everything else |
| 04:00.38 | JeffM | brlcad: how goes the CIA? |
| 04:00.57 | Flash | but there's protocol stuff right at the point of raw socket read |
| 04:03.53 | JeffM | it's so that pings get back as fast as possible and UDP was kinda an afterthought |
| 04:04.33 | Flash | I can't say that the ping is actually "handled" at the socket level, but it is detected at least |
| 04:04.47 | JeffM | it's all the UDP stuff |
| 04:04.56 | JeffM | part of it is because UDP is connectionless |
| 04:05.10 | JeffM | so we have to parse the packet a little to know who it's from |
| 04:05.15 | JeffM | before we can route it at a message level |
| 04:05.32 | JeffM | where TCP we can know cus of the socket |
| 04:05.32 | Flash | I was going to hide tcp/udp, but I can't quite do that |
| 04:05.44 | JeffM | yeah it's not that simple |
| 04:06.08 | JeffM | that's why some game libs just do UDP and do there own TCP style renegotiation on top |
| 04:06.11 | JeffM | then they can hide all that |
| 04:06.27 | Flash | the first roadblock I ran into is kicking people who send shots over TCP (when require UDP is on) |
| 04:06.44 | JeffM | consider udp to always be on now |
| 04:06.53 | JeffM | we no longer maintain that switch, nor should we |
| 04:07.08 | Flash | so which messages are allowed over TCP? |
| 04:07.26 | JeffM | all the ones that are not in needforspeed |
| 04:07.47 | JeffM | tho I'd not kick anyone for sending anything over TCP |
| 04:08.22 | JeffM | by default the clients will send speedy messages UDP |
| 04:08.33 | JeffM | the server and cluient should receive messages from ether or |
| 04:08.52 | JeffM | in case we change our minds later ;) |
| 04:09.42 | Flash | my thought was to hide the receipt of data inside NetHandler and expose portions of what was received using a protocol-specific message framer |
| 04:10.01 | Flash | it was going to hide if the message came from tcp or udp |
| 04:10.09 | JeffM | the server should not care how it got the message |
| 04:10.09 | Flash | it sounds like you support that |
| 04:10.18 | JeffM | we should jsut be able to send speedy or not |
| 04:10.21 | JeffM | that's all we need |
| 04:10.30 | JeffM | how you got the message no longer matters |
| 04:10.48 | JeffM | requireUDP is an old lan->internet flag |
| 04:10.53 | JeffM | we are all internet now |
| 04:11.00 | JeffM | and lans can be treated like fast internet |
| 04:22.00 | JeffM | awww... no more ankh for a while :( |
| 04:23.06 | JeffM | DTRemenak: can you be my voice of sanity? upgrade the plugins to VC8 so they can be part of the default build(and cus VC8ee is free) or dupe the proejcts as VC8 versions? or only build em with 7.1? |
| 04:24.36 | JeffM | and currently we are a hodgepodge of 7.1 and 8 projects in trunk |
| 04:27.08 | JeffM | hmmm it was actualy DTRemenak that checked in the first VC8 plugin. so that means he can't complain :) |
| 04:27.24 | JeffM | anyone here use VC7.1 still, and not have 8? |
| 04:30.04 | DTRemenak | won't complain...probably want to ask blast007 |
| 04:30.14 | DTRemenak | I have vc8 everywhere |
| 04:30.42 | JeffM | he must have 8 as he build on windows before we fixed the 7.1 build for awilcox |
| 04:31.35 | DTRemenak | just 'cause he has it doesn't mean he wouldn't complain ;) |
| 04:31.46 | JeffM | heh |
| 04:32.06 | DTRemenak | and if he has no problem with it, I'd go for upgrading BZWTestLauncher too |
| 04:32.17 | JeffM | ahh, did you fix it up? |
| 04:32.18 | DTRemenak | could make a bunch of stuff shorter/nicer with .NET2 constructs |
| 04:32.20 | JeffM | cus today you said no |
| 04:32.22 | JeffM | ok |
| 04:33.27 | DTRemenak | it's just really easy to add new stuff and be unable to downgrade. it should be ok to upgrade and not check anything in (sorry if that wasn't clear) |
| 04:33.58 | DTRemenak | sometimes the upgrade process itself is not-quite-reversable too |
| 04:34.15 | DTRemenak | doesn't think .NET1.1 was really "finished" |
| 04:34.19 | JeffM | heh |
| 04:35.23 | brlcad | cia is all resettored |
| 04:35.39 | JeffM | what happened to it? |
| 04:35.49 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17189 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (65 files in 37 dirs): upgrade plug ins to vc8 so they are consistent with the main build |
| 04:36.08 | JeffM | tortoiseSVN 1.5 is so prudy now :) |
| 04:36.47 | brlcad | a new linux distro registered their hook with it the day before yesterday |
| 04:37.02 | JeffM | and flooded the crap out of it? |
| 04:37.12 | brlcad | and proceeded to merge in a major git branch from upstream |
| 04:37.32 | brlcad | which caused about 10000 commits to get registered/queued up |
| 04:37.38 | JeffM | oooo so we can blame this all on git? awesome |
| 04:37.39 | brlcad | that's a lot of email processing |
| 04:39.37 | a_meteorite | what a reason for AAA_awright to consider |
| 04:39.46 | AAA_awright | Hm? |
| 04:39.54 | a_meteorite | remember our little git discussion? :) |
| 04:40.21 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17190 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (6 files in 3 dirs): upgrade plug ins to vc8 so they are consistent with the main build |
| 04:40.37 | AAA_awright | Heh. That is bad engineering, that is what that is >_> |
| 04:41.21 | AAA_awright | Hint to CIA: Honors system doesn't work for rogue software systems |
| 04:43.34 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17191 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (10 files in 10 dirs): plugin_utils moves to vc8 dir so use that instead of vc71 |
| 04:44.04 | JeffM | there we go. |
| 04:44.12 | brlcad | it held up, it was just so busy handling their request that it was an utterly massive backlog, massive load |
| 04:44.30 | JeffM | it still running on that VM> |
| 04:44.32 | JeffM | ? |
| 04:44.34 | brlcad | yeah |
| 04:44.41 | JeffM | wow |
| 04:44.47 | brlcad | seriously should move it, but .. feh |
| 04:44.49 | JeffM | realy should get its own machine |
| 04:44.58 | JeffM | how hard would it be to move? |
| 04:45.04 | brlcad | it's got so many little pieces |
| 04:45.30 | brlcad | it really is a custom hack job that's grown over time |
| 04:45.40 | JeffM | NOOOO! ;) |
| 04:45.49 | JeffM | who do we know that works like that? ;) |
| 04:46.00 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:46.34 | JeffM | well time to see if my template system actualy works :) |
| 04:47.30 | brlcad | i thought about offering up .bz but cia's a bit of a bloated pig |
| 04:47.51 | brlcad | would be better put to the test on something beefier |
| 04:48.23 | JeffM | if it's a VM it should be cake to move the VM right? |
| 04:48.34 | JeffM | just to a fatter machine or something |
| 04:48.57 | blast007 | JeffM: I'll probably be going up to VC8 at some point here |
| 04:49.09 | blast007 | just have to get around to installing it |
| 04:49.10 | JeffM | blast007, so you don't have it? |
| 04:49.13 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 04:49.18 | brlcad | dunno, I'd try moving the files themselves first .. the bigger problem would probably be all the cia connectivity |
| 04:49.20 | JeffM | well then there is some incentive ;) |
| 04:49.26 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:49.38 | JeffM | I won't do the launcher till you do tho |
| 04:49.47 | JeffM | unless doing that will make you upgrade ;) |
| 04:49.54 | blast007 | nope |
| 04:49.59 | blast007 | that won't make me ;) |
| 04:50.04 | blast007 | just don't have time right now |
| 04:50.43 | JeffM | well that and it dosn't build when upgraded too 8 :) |
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| 04:55.34 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17192 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/reportTemplates.cpp: skip comments |
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| 05:07.15 | AlexanderLAW | hi there, I've looked at changes related to problem with non-ANSI world filenames in bzfs |
| 05:07.49 | AlexanderLAW | maybe it would be better to update it in this way: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m2a42ac76 |
| 05:10.52 | AlexanderLAW | with it we dont need wstring for other platforms |
| 05:11.37 | JeffM | what is wrong with wstring? |
| 05:11.47 | JeffM | we want to actualy use wstring everywhere I'd thing |
| 05:11.49 | JeffM | think |
| 05:12.01 | JeffM | it's ok to have config check for it |
| 05:12.03 | JeffM | really |
| 05:12.39 | AlexanderLAW | ok, i just thought it was first occurence in your code |
| 05:12.50 | JeffM | it is |
| 05:12.53 | JeffM | that's not a bad thing ;) |
| 05:14.39 | AlexanderLAW | so then i wonder if std::wstring(string.c_str()); in #else (_WIN32) performs correct ANSI-to-Unicode conversion for other platforms |
| 05:15.13 | JeffM | it probalby dosn't |
| 05:15.16 | JeffM | but they will fix that |
| 05:15.20 | JeffM | no worries |
| 05:15.23 | BulletCatcher | I'll start on the configure change in a few minutes after I svn update. |
| 05:15.41 | AlexanderLAW | ok, i understood |
| 05:16.19 | JeffM | there is a function to convert on linux if they have wstring, once BulletCatcher gets the configure thing in then we can call that function in the case where wstring is avialbable |
| 05:17.40 | AlexanderLAW | and then i wonder, does std::ifstream accept filename in unicode on other OSes? |
| 05:19.00 | JeffM | if they don't we can add more code to the text utils feature ;) |
| 05:19.20 | AlexanderLAW | i see that microsoft's implementation does - probably it performs some analysis determining is it ANSI or UNICODE, but I dont think other implementations do |
| 05:20.02 | AlexanderLAW | thats why i propose to add #ifdef _WIN32 where we have new std::ifstream called |
| 05:21.18 | AlexanderLAW | I dont think that this ifstream feature should be fixed in the convert_to_wide function |
| 05:21.53 | AlexanderLAW | i think convert_to_wide should always convert string to wstring on every platform |
| 05:22.14 | JeffM | then that should work with the stream right? |
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| 05:22.52 | AlexanderLAW | yes, if we convert ansi to unicode on win32, it will work |
| 05:23.33 | AlexanderLAW | so we can just use convert_to_wide for win32 or not use it at all |
| 05:23.45 | JeffM | what is wrong with everyone going to a wstring? |
| 05:24.19 | AlexanderLAW | i dont think that std:ifstream accepts unicode filename everywhere |
| 05:24.47 | AlexanderLAW | in it's declaration we see just char * |
| 05:24.52 | JeffM | then we need to find out ;) |
| 05:25.04 | AlexanderLAW | probably yes |
| 05:25.05 | JeffM | and maybe add more config options |
| 05:28.13 | BulletCatcher | autogen.sh now fails for me: configure.ac:191: required file `plugin_utils/VC71/Makefile.in' not found |
| 05:28.39 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: look at that line |
| 05:29.54 | BulletCatcher | It's actually plugins/configure.ac |
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| 05:30.25 | brlcad | and ... |
| 05:31.06 | BulletCatcher | I'm going to have to check the docs on AC_CONFIG_FILES ... |
| 05:32.16 | BulletCatcher | Should I just remove the reference to plugin_utils/VC71/Makefile ? |
| 05:33.20 | BulletCatcher | Since the VC71 directory is now completely gone, it must be a "yes". |
| 05:34.11 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: yeah |
| 05:34.32 | BulletCatcher | I'll do that and move on. |
| 05:34.38 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I want to read an entire file into a std::string how can do that with streams and make you not cringe? |
| 05:36.15 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: where is there a refrence to it? |
| 05:36.19 | JeffM | in the root of plugins? |
| 05:36.33 | BulletCatcher | Removing the two lines in plugins/configure.ac with "VC71" in them has made autogen.sh happy again. |
| 05:37.17 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17193 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/configure.ac: use VC8 dirs |
| 05:41.47 | BulletCatcher | I am compliling r17193 now. It will take about 15 minutes and then I will be ready to start on the wstring configure change. |
| 05:42.06 | JeffM | I don't think there is any rush |
| 05:43.33 | BulletCatcher | oooh. Big compiler error in src/date/buildDate.cxx |
| 05:43.58 | JeffM | so fix it |
| 05:44.08 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 05:49.15 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17194 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:49.15 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: the old report template was actualy for the player stats, so move it over to websStats. |
| 05:49.15 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: make report.tmpl into a report template for webReport |
| 05:49.15 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: add a login.tmpl for loging into the webReport |
| 05:56.35 | AlexanderLAW | if you don't mind, regarding std::ifstream constructor - it just has two versions - char * and wchar_t *, and wstring.c_str() returns wchar_t *, so i was wrong thinking about some internal analysis |
| 05:56.56 | AlexanderLAW | and it should be ok to use wchar_t version where it's available |
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| 06:05.34 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17195 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (11 files in 10 dirs): use VC8 dirs for libs and headers |
| 06:06.04 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17196 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_files.cpp: casting for VC8 buildness |
| 06:07.10 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17197 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/ (reportTemplates.cpp reportTemplates.h): |
| 06:07.10 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: don't use double pointers for templates |
| 06:07.11 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: generate the pages using templates |
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| 08:54.13 | Lukstr | disappears for the weekend. Holiday! |
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| 09:59.45 | BulletCatcher | In the top-level configure.ac file, immediately following line 422 with AC_LANG(C++), add this line: |
| 09:59.49 | BulletCatcher | AC_CHECK_TYPES([std::wstring],,,[#include <iostream>]) |
| 10:03.45 | BulletCatcher | The remaining bugs in the unix implementation of convert_to_wide() will have to be solved by someone with more c++ experience than I have. |
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| 10:17.43 | whodaman | brlcad, thanks for the heads up in ##bzpro. We'll take care of that right away |
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| 12:04.19 | short_circuit | argh! Linux build is still brokeded |
| 12:47.09 | spldart | Perhaps we should add an unofficial 5154 to this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers |
| 12:49.43 | spldart | although it is in the comprehensive list http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 12:53.03 | donny_baker | spldart: go for it, the port is officially registered |
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| 13:07.42 | spldart | Done.... 5154 tcp,udp BZFlag Official |
| 13:08.30 | spldart | now to make the name an active link |
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| 13:17.51 | spldart | Think I got it :) |
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| 13:53.09 | Thumper_ | the bzflag daily build goes *boink* <- some template compile error. I'll look at it tonight if nobody beats me to it |
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| 14:04.23 | brlcad | whodaman: np |
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| 16:02.14 | L4m3r | Thumper_: yup, mine too. (yay, it was actually a build error and not an ld segfault) |
| 16:02.42 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: Did the mac build ever get fixed (freetype errors)? |
| 16:15.56 | delusional | jbdigriz, the last thing i saw about it was this, BulletCatcher> I have a hackish workaround at http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m265f9349, but I'm sure I can come up with a more elegant solution. |
| 16:16.23 | delusional | two days ago |
| 16:28.30 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: notyet |
| 16:30.49 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17198 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_utils.cpp plugin_utils.h): |
| 16:30.49 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: add char* versions of tolower |
| 16:30.49 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: fix whitespace |
| 16:40.53 | BulletCatcher | JeffM: here is the top-level configure.ac fix for wstring: |
| 16:40.57 | BulletCatcher | AC_CHECK_TYPES([std::wstring],,,[#include <iostream>]) |
| 16:41.17 | BulletCatcher | Add it immediately following line 422 with AC_LANG(C++). |
| 16:41.21 | JeffM | you promice not to break anything? |
| 16:41.41 | BulletCatcher | I make no such promise, but it helps. |
| 16:41.54 | spldart | ;-) |
| 16:41.54 | blast007 | with that fix, there's still something wrong with src/common/TextUtils.cxx:70 |
| 16:41.55 | JeffM | so you plan on breaking things? |
| 16:42.14 | BulletCatcher | I don't intend to break anything, either. |
| 16:42.36 | JeffM | good enough |
| 16:42.48 | BulletCatcher | I promise not to *intentionally* break anything. |
| 16:42.53 | JeffM | sf site is hella slow |
| 16:43.09 | spldart | been so for a long while :( |
| 16:43.10 | JeffM | SF name is bulletcatcher? |
| 16:43.21 | BulletCatcher | I am bullet_catcher at SF. |
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| 16:44.07 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3c80c513 |
| 16:44.33 | JeffM | commit the fix yourself, ;) |
| 16:44.33 | blast007 | latest source there, with that AC_CHECK_TYPES fix |
| 16:44.49 | BulletCatcher | I will! |
| 16:45.02 | BulletCatcher | reads "svn help comit" output. |
| 16:45.04 | JeffM | just be carefull, check with people on what you want to change/fix for now, and congtrats |
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| 16:45.10 | BulletCatcher | Thanks. |
| 16:45.21 | JeffM | and set your auto props |
| 16:45.28 | BulletCatcher | Auto-props are already set. |
| 16:45.46 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:50.11 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r17199 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: Test for availability of the std::wstring type. |
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| 16:54.51 | SpazzyMcGee | Are the T shirts in yet? |
| 16:55.05 | JeffM | no |
| 16:55.09 | JeffM | they were made this week |
| 16:55.15 | JeffM | so they are being shiped |
| 16:55.29 | SpazzyMcGee | cool |
| 16:59.27 | JeffM | well no they were suposed to be here monday but they are being slow :( |
| 17:02.10 | spldart | This morn would have been perfect for that hoodie... chill in the air and all.. Me feels like xmas is coming :-D |
| 17:02.43 | JeffM | yeah I expected them to be here monday |
| 17:02.51 | JeffM | in the origonal plan |
| 17:02.57 | JeffM | then you'd all have them this week |
| 17:03.09 | JeffM | I expect them next week now |
| 17:03.23 | spldart | Oki doki |
| 17:03.53 | JeffM | next time I'm adding in a week for "fudge" |
| 17:05.07 | Erroneous | mmm, fudge |
| 17:05.59 | spldart | meh.. Brownies are better :-p |
| 17:14.51 | JeffM | greatly abbuses the this pointer |
| 17:19.32 | Flash | forces JeffM to learn Python so he can abuse self |
| 17:20.49 | JeffM | you can have pointers in python? |
| 17:21.02 | Flash | not really; everything is references |
| 17:21.29 | Flash | but in a class, you must explicitly define the "this" argument for a method, and it is traditionally "self" |
| 17:21.38 | JeffM | I printing this into a string so I can use it as a unique virtual dir ;) |
| 17:21.44 | Flash | def hello(self) : print self |
| 17:22.18 | Flash | poor man's object reference ;-) |
| 17:22.40 | Flash | not safe between invocations, but good enough within an execution |
| 17:23.01 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.31 | Erroneous | generally sharing pointers with the world is a poor idea from a security perspective |
| 17:23.58 | JeffM | well then the plugin should set a dir name ;) |
| 17:24.11 | Flash | man tempnam |
| 17:24.19 | JeffM | man NotWindows |
| 17:24.31 | JeffM | I could just use rand too |
| 17:24.32 | Flash | ~lart Windows |
| 17:24.32 | ibot | judo chops Windows |
| 17:24.39 | Flash | doesn't do Windows |
| 17:24.43 | JeffM | so? |
| 17:24.44 | JBdiGriz | Definitely "Man, not Windows" |
| 17:24.52 | Flash | lol |
| 17:25.19 | Erroneous | JeffM: so MSDN _tempnam ;) |
| 17:25.24 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.26 | JeffM | happy? |
| 17:25.44 | Flash | does Windows have drand48() ? |
| 17:26.16 | JeffM | it's a vdir name in case the plugin dosn't provide a name |
| 17:26.21 | JeffM | rand will be fine |
| 17:26.31 | Erroneous | no, Flash |
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| 17:58.21 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17200 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (plugin_HTTP.cpp plugin_HTTP.h): automaticly generate an index page for all installed plug ins with links to the various vdirs they use. |
| 18:06.57 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17201 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_HTTP.cpp: let plugins define a description to use on the index page by setting VDIR_index_description as a clip field |
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| 19:07.54 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17202 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/BZWTestLauncher/ (BZFSPoller.cs frmMain.cs frmMain.resx): make realtime server output smoother |
| 19:09.58 | blast007 | ooooo |
| 19:10.08 | blast007 | I didn't even check what else you added |
| 19:10.26 | blast007 | does this mean that you don't have to hit "stop" to view output? |
| 19:11.33 | Erroneous | yeah, it collates the stdout and stderr streams, bolds errors, and pushes it all to the textbox in realtime |
| 19:11.56 | Erroneous | rather nifty if I do say so myself. might have gone overboard with the threading though :) |
| 19:12.07 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:14.05 | Erroneous | takes four threads to get acceptable responsiveness...since ReadLine blocks, we have one thread for stdout, and one for stderr, and to prevent flooding the textbox we have another to push updates when required at ~20Hz |
| 19:17.48 | Flash | threaded programming is an interesting mix of simplicity and complexity |
| 19:18.18 | Flash | you could have achieved the same thing with clever select() usage, but having the threads you describe is simpler |
| 19:18.29 | Flash | yet having multiple threads is inherently more complex |
| 19:20.53 | Flash | what is the state of server-side threading? Is it functional or only partially implemented? |
| 19:21.19 | Erroneous | we have no threads :) the build framework is all there, just nothing uses it |
| 19:21.24 | Erroneous | on the server anyway |
| 19:21.34 | Erroneous | on the client it's used by screenshot compression |
| 19:21.40 | Flash | there are some #ifdef (USE_THREADS) places |
| 19:21.44 | Flash | on the server |
| 19:22.07 | Erroneous | yes. afaik nothing was ever actually hooked up. more of an experiment than anything. |
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| 19:24.36 | Erroneous | hm, actually looks like TCP recieve code was hooked up. not sure how well it works or what it accomplishes |
| 19:24.48 | Flash | that's where I am |
| 19:25.08 | Flash | since I'm reworking it, I wanted to know if I had to actually support both threaded and non-threaded models |
| 19:25.40 | Erroneous | USE_THREADS is not defined by configure in any circumstances that I'm aware of |
| 19:26.33 | Erroneous | certainly not by our pthread detection (which sets HAVE_PTHREADS |
| 19:29.23 | Erroneous | so it's all essentially dead code anyway |
| 19:30.08 | Flash | I suspect what I'm doing will fall into the "too large to evaluate as a patch" in any event, but do you suggest I remove the #if blocks? |
| 19:30.30 | Erroneous | yes, if they get in your way :) |
| 19:31.00 | Erroneous | i.e. if what you are doing would break functionality in the USE_THREADS case, it is better to remove it altogether |
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| 19:46.12 | Flash | that was fast |
| 19:46.35 | Winny | someone say "That's what she said" |
| 19:46.36 | Flash | usually "bbl" implies the elapsing of some time... |
| 19:54.27 | L4m3r | I didn't have to reconnect to the VPN after restarting X :P |
| 19:56.50 | Flash | do you think there is value in the semi-fine-grained reporting of what kind of network error caused the server to drop a client? |
| 19:57.31 | Flash | ECONNRESET/EPIPE Read Error Disconnected |
| 19:58.11 | Flash | the end result is that the player gets dropped, and I don't want to expose that level of interface detail if I don't have to |
| 20:11.05 | Erroneous | it can be worthwhile when troubleshooting to know why the player was dropped |
| 20:14.49 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17203 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/templates/ (login.tmpl report.tmpl): have the templates generate valid HTML |
| 20:16.25 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17204 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/reportTemplates.cpp: |
| 20:16.25 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: use the full names of tags when searching for template loops and IF tests. |
| 20:16.25 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: don't get into inf. loops when doing tag tests. |
| 20:16.25 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: allow a logic tag to be the end of the template if it is valid |
| 20:16.46 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17205 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/webReport.cpp: generate valid data for the templates. |
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| 20:19.01 | JeffM | yay for no more hardcoded HTML :) |
| 20:19.04 | TJ13820 | does anyone know what just happened to Cobra Fasts server? |
| 20:19.08 | TJ13820 | it just freaked out |
| 20:20.01 | TJ13820 | it kept saying someone was killed by JeffM/Louman and they weren't on there |
| 20:20.14 | TJ13820 | the blue teams flag kept being taken by someone on the purple base |
| 20:20.15 | Flash | who WAS there? |
| 20:20.19 | TJ13820 | (Cobra fast) |
| 20:20.20 | Flash | it's a known cheat |
| 20:20.30 | JeffM | yep |
| 20:20.34 | JeffM | sounds porrly admined |
| 20:20.38 | JeffM | and someone is messing with it |
| 20:20.40 | JeffM | tell the owner |
| 20:20.42 | TJ13820 | and! someone kept making the server say "Server's shutting down" without a name |
| 20:20.44 | JeffM | or play elsewhere |
| 20:20.54 | TJ13820 | well, Cobra Fast, the admin, was there |
| 20:20.54 | JeffM | it's easy to send out bogus messages in 2.0.x |
| 20:21.13 | Erroneous | blast007: what is your opinion on upgrading BZWTestLauncher to VC#8? |
| 20:21.17 | TJ13820 | i was kindof like... eh? |
| 20:21.17 | Flash | sounds like he has it well in hand then |
| 20:21.33 | JeffM | TJ13820, then yeah sounds like he's just messing with people |
| 20:21.35 | JeffM | go elsewhere |
| 20:21.55 | TJ13820 | i liked the map, wish he'd act better as an admin as one should |
| 20:22.08 | JeffM | most children are poor owners/admins |
| 20:22.16 | JeffM | host the map yourself if it's licensed for it |
| 20:22.53 | TJ13820 | i don't have it, or know where to get it, so i might PM him or check the forums. And if anything, i'll use a BZLauncher or just play lan games with it with my brother |
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| 20:43.17 | wanda | hi, one question: can anybody explain how i 'drive with an observer' screenshot at: http://www.vanhoutens.org/B37.jpg |
| 20:49.44 | Flash | wanda: you are obviously driving with someone in the pic... what's the question |
| 20:51.08 | wanda | the question is, how comes that i was driving with an observer . i know how to select active players but not observers |
| 20:51.32 | wanda | Benfish was observer like me |
| 20:51.43 | JeffM | bug |
| 20:51.46 | JeffM | probably |
| 20:51.50 | JeffM | can you duplicate it? |
| 20:52.43 | wanda | not clearly .. maybe i was observing Benfish whe he was active .. then i was away shortly and when coming back, I had this situation on screen |
| 20:53.12 | JeffM | he can't change to observer |
| 20:53.35 | JeffM | but he probably quit and the client didn't bump you to roaming |
| 20:53.54 | JeffM | observe someone, then have the quit |
| 20:53.58 | JeffM | see what that does to you |
| 20:54.13 | wanda | ok .. will try again |
| 20:57.41 | Flash | if you are driving with someone (say slot #3) and they quit and rejoin into the same slot, you can "drive" with them |
| 20:58.30 | Flash | I've done that a number of times |
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| 20:59.29 | wanda | its reproducable here: on a second client i joined a game - on my first client i switched to observe my second client - then i rejoined as observer with the second client and get this situation ... does this fit to your explain, Flash? |
| 20:59.45 | Flash | yes |
| 21:00.14 | Manu | it's an old issue :) |
| 21:00.24 | wanda | ok .. thank you for help .. seem to be 'normal behaviour' :-) |
| 21:00.31 | Flash | yup |
| 21:00.45 | Manu | and really you aren't driving.. you are just placed in the center of the map |
| 21:00.49 | Flash | f6/f7 to drive with another |
| 21:01.52 | wanda | yes.. only the message says 'driving' |
| 21:02.28 | JeffM | so sounds like a bug |
| 21:02.29 | JeffM | report it |
| 21:02.52 | Flash | but I doubt it's worth fixing |
| 21:03.13 | Manu | wanda: are you using the latest bzflag? dunno if this was fixed |
| 21:03.15 | JeffM | I belive it is |
| 21:03.28 | JeffM | observing should be invalidated when the player leaves |
| 21:03.33 | JeffM | you observe players not slots |
| 21:03.44 | JeffM | we want to get away from the "slot" idea in as many cases as we can |
| 21:03.59 | Manu | JeffM: right, it's the same as in hunt mode |
| 21:04.03 | wanda | i use latest 2.0.10 |
| 21:04.18 | Manu | so it isn't fixed :) |
| 21:04.36 | JeffM | report it so it can be fixed in trunk |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM | or fix it in trunk :) |
| 21:04.52 | Manu | :) |
| 21:05.24 | Manu | this is a minor issue in trunk >;) |
| 21:05.37 | wanda | but in my case the rejoining was the same player ... |
| 21:06.03 | wanda | in both cases .. Benfish and when I reproduced |
| 21:06.23 | Manu | wanda: the bug is in the client, so it's always you :) |
| 21:06.44 | wanda | i mean : player vs. slot |
| 21:07.03 | JeffM | when the slot goes invalid we should bump any observers to roaming |
| 21:07.09 | Manu | can be a different player taking the same slot |
| 21:07.20 | JeffM | then if they rejoin the observer can reobserve them |
| 21:07.44 | JeffM | the client will have to change modes automaticly based on events |
| 21:07.50 | wanda | i 'll retry with different names .. one moment |
| 21:08.11 | Manu | JeffM: or auto-switch to another alive player |
| 21:08.24 | JeffM | Manu, that is not intuitive |
| 21:08.28 | JeffM | I'd bump to roaming |
| 21:08.42 | Manu | then back to roaming mode ;) |
| 21:08.45 | JeffM | as it makes sense that you "fell off" the tank when it went away |
| 21:08.49 | Manu | :) |
| 21:09.11 | Manu | yes, same as hunt mode :) |
| 21:09.27 | Manu | when the hunted player leaves, hunt mode is disabled |
| 21:09.32 | wanda | changing player name does not make any difference |
| 21:10.36 | Manu | wanda: it has nothing to do with players names |
| 21:11.12 | JeffM | wanda, fix it, it should be a simple client change, when you get the part message for the playerID, change to roamer |
| 21:12.26 | wanda | dont know if i am able to find the particular piece of code ... but i'll try |
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| 21:35.31 | Winny | someone wanna delete a few of these smilies? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=124076#124076 |
| 21:37.48 | F687s | *goes to bathe my bleeding eyes* |
| 21:46.09 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17206 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (3 files in 2 dirs): move the template parser into a common class that can be used by all HTTPD plug-ins. |
| 22:07.55 | TD-Linux | oh now |
| 22:07.57 | TD-Linux | *oh no |
| 22:08.01 | TD-Linux | now I'm going to play bzflag |
| 22:08.06 | TD-Linux | and waste the rest of my life |
| 22:11.08 | brlcad | excellent |
| 22:11.23 | Winny | hmm, did he reply again? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=124077#124077 |
| 22:11.27 | Winny | or did someone just edit it? |
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| 22:27.08 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17207 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am: build the new template system on nix/tosh |
| 22:27.29 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17208 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/ (5 files): use the new common template system |
| 22:29.43 | Flash | when a client first connects, it's supposed to send BZFLAG\r\n\r\n. What should happen if that is NOT the first thing received? |
| 22:33.05 | JeffM | Flash, it's sent over to the non client connection handler |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM | to see if any plugins want it |
| 22:33.56 | Flash | how do you know how much is supposed to be there? |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM | you don't |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM | you sent what you got |
| 22:33.56 | Flash | ok |
| 22:34.11 | JeffM | but that entire system is basicly how my HTTPD in BZFS works |
| 22:35.04 | Flash | ripping out the raw I/O stuff is proving intricate |
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| 22:38.30 | TJ13820 | nn |
| 22:38.36 | TJ13820 | are you there? |
| 22:43.43 | TJ13820 | NN64: I need to talk to you about the hosting of "Dr's Plaza" on linuxmain port 6011 |
| 22:44.10 | TJ13820 | NN64: It is not authorized for the map to be used on your server, and your word was given to the admins it would be taken down |
| 22:44.24 | JeffM | TJ13820, best to send him a PM or email |
| 22:44.33 | TJ13820 | he ignores us |
| 22:44.36 | JeffM | it's not a public matter |
| 22:44.51 | TJ13820 | it is now, he won't respond to me privately |
| 22:44.53 | JeffM | then it's lawer time |
| 22:44.57 | JeffM | no it's not |
| 22:45.00 | JeffM | we don't run servers |
| 22:45.01 | TJ13820 | okay |
| 22:45.08 | JeffM | and this isn't a forum for you to do that in |
| 22:45.12 | TJ13820 | C&D is going to be filed |
| 22:45.15 | JeffM | good |
| 22:45.22 | JeffM | that's what the law is for :) |
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| 22:52.45 | Flash | when a client is recognized, the server sends a version packet. Any reason why that shouldn't use the BufferedMessage interface instead of writing directly to the socket? |
| 22:53.20 | Flash | or is that not a (len, code, ...) format message |
| 22:55.18 | JeffM | buffers for EVERYONE |
| 22:55.47 | Flash | I think that buffer will have to belong to NetHandler |
| 22:56.03 | Flash | since it's a "special" message |
| 22:58.52 | Erroneous | make it a normal message then ;) |
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| 22:59.12 | Flash | not at this juncture.... wouldn't be prudent |
| 22:59.28 | Erroneous | since we're flipping around the connect protocol anyway, now is the best time, no? |
| 22:59.45 | Flash | *I'm* not messing with the protocol |
| 22:59.55 | Erroneous | it's already been turned around from 2.0 |
| 23:00.00 | Erroneous | 2.0 is server-first |
| 23:00.06 | Flash | I'm trying to keep this change somewhat atomic, but it has potential to be very far-reaching |
| 23:00.25 | Erroneous | k. then do your change first, another patch later for that :) |
| 23:00.43 | JeffM | nothing says it has to be all one |
| 23:01.02 | Flash | right, but the first change has to actually work |
| 23:01.07 | Erroneous | heh :) |
| 23:01.26 | Flash | unless you want to take my work-in-progress patch and apply that now |
| 23:05.15 | BulletCatcher | Kills made by a tank carrying the PA (Power of Attorney) flag are credited 65% to a teammate and 35% to the PA. |
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