| 00:00.13 | dossjh | i ran an older version on the comp before...but i was using fedora |
| 00:00.13 | dossjh | so i think its not hardware |
| 00:01.09 | JeffM | well let me add some loging and see where it gets to |
| 00:01.29 | dossjh | ok |
| 00:03.30 | JeffM | download this |
| 00:03.31 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/bzflag.zip |
| 00:03.34 | JeffM | unzip it |
| 00:03.40 | JeffM | and put the exe in your install dir |
| 00:04.01 | JeffM | then run it and see if it says TestngComplete before it died |
| 00:04.27 | dossjh | ok...downloading... |
| 00:07.51 | dossjh | it said testing complete |
| 00:07.58 | JeffM | then it ain't the test |
| 00:09.25 | dossjh | so that means the graphics are most likely not the problem? or does it not mean that? |
| 00:09.39 | JeffM | I don't think it's graphics |
| 00:09.59 | dossjh | well...im still not getting the 2.0 directry....so its before that write |
| 00:10.02 | JeffM | if you run bzflag with -d -d -d does it every say "bzflag version" in the command line? |
| 00:10.08 | JeffM | well the write is much later |
| 00:10.31 | dossjh | no |
| 00:10.41 | JeffM | k |
| 00:10.42 | dossjh | i doesnt have any output |
| 00:10.46 | JeffM | then let me do another build |
| 00:10.51 | dossjh | ok |
| 00:10.59 | dossjh | thanks alot for your help man |
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| 00:11.43 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/bzflag-2.zip |
| 00:11.45 | JeffM | grab that |
| 00:11.51 | JeffM | and lets see what it says |
| 00:12.10 | JeffM | look for "resources dumped" |
| 00:12.25 | dossjh | ok...its downloading |
| 00:12.39 | JeffM | if you don't see that |
| 00:12.50 | JeffM | look for "pre-cache" and "post-cache" |
| 00:13.35 | dossjh | ok...its halfway downloaded...slow inet :P |
| 00:14.56 | dossjh | it said resources dumped |
| 00:15.09 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 00:15.24 | JeffM | well we are getting closer then :) |
| 00:15.30 | dossjh | :) |
| 00:15.58 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1154 10/trunk/docs/ (Makefile.am ftgl.dox tutorial.dox): * Simplify EPS creation rules. |
| 00:16.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1155 10/trunk/docs/ (5 files): |
| 00:16.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Work around a Doxygen bug that creates fake latex references whenever we |
| 00:16.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: use "FTGL" in section names, and fails to remove the "%" in HTML pages |
| 00:16.19 | CIA-33 | FTGL: whenever we use "%FTGL". Fixing HTML pages is easier. |
| 00:16.34 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1156 10/trunk/docs/projects_using_ftgl.txt: * Add ~40 entries to the list of projects that use FTGL. |
| 00:16.54 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1157 10/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * Start protecting FTBuffer members using getters and setters. |
| 00:17.46 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/bzflag-3.zip |
| 00:17.55 | JeffM | lets see what that one says dossjh |
| 00:17.59 | dossjh | ok |
| 00:20.55 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1158 10/trunk/msvc/vc8/ (FTGLDemo.vcproj trackball.vcproj): fix release mode configurations |
| 00:21.49 | dossjh | start error log is the last thing it says |
| 00:22.07 | JeffM | really.. wow |
| 00:22.45 | dossjh | it looked really werid that time though..like little blocks...instead of letters...i had to do -echo to find that out |
| 00:23.12 | dossjh | i think its cause it was scrolling so fast |
| 00:24.19 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/bzflag-4.zip |
| 00:25.44 | dossjh | ok...i guess at least we are getting close... :/ |
| 00:28.48 | dossjh | so JeffM ...the last thing it says is Start startup log |
| 00:29.01 | JeffM | ahh good |
| 00:29.21 | KTL | mmm 12 euro shipping costs mmm |
| 00:29.32 | JeffM | yeah it went up |
| 00:30.29 | KTL | discount coupon?? |
| 00:30.33 | KTL | do i get a discount? :D |
| 00:30.39 | JeffM | no |
| 00:31.32 | KTL | mmm paypal ... mmm never used that, guess that will be the blocking factor |
| 00:31.53 | JeffM | dossjh, ok good, it was suposed to say some other stuff, but you died so we have at least got to the point |
| 00:31.58 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/bzflag-5.zip |
| 00:32.16 | JeffM | KTL, you don't have to make an account IIRC, you can just pay with it via credit card. |
| 00:32.19 | dossjh | downloading... |
| 00:32.43 | KTL | aaaaah shipping costs is 24 eurosss |
| 00:32.48 | KTL | makes a total of 36 |
| 00:32.51 | JeffM | KTL, what are you getting? |
| 00:33.05 | KTL | i dont dare to continue anymore, a shirt of 36 euro |
| 00:33.17 | JeffM | 24 euros for shipping |
| 00:33.20 | JeffM | that dosn't make sense |
| 00:33.23 | JeffM | 24$ maybe |
| 00:33.28 | KTL | euhm |
| 00:33.31 | KTL | myes oki, dollar |
| 00:33.40 | KTL | not that it makes a lot of difference |
| 00:33.46 | JeffM | yeah it does |
| 00:33.50 | JeffM | have you SEEN our exchange rate |
| 00:33.58 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.07 | JeffM | exactly |
| 00:34.14 | KTL | oki enough difference to proceed |
| 00:34.18 | JeffM | heh |
| 00:35.43 | KTL | visa or mastercard, no previous experience with those even |
| 00:36.09 | JeffM | umm that depends on what kind of card you have |
| 00:36.26 | dossjh | ok... JeffM ...it did something werid that time |
| 00:36.52 | JeffM | yes it will get wierder as I hack more stuff in ;) |
| 00:36.58 | JeffM | what did it do? |
| 00:37.00 | dossjh | in the stdout.txt file it has numbers spreed out through the version info and such...and the last one i see is 7 |
| 00:37.06 | JeffM | good |
| 00:37.11 | JeffM | that's the last number I loged |
| 00:37.15 | dossjh | oh wait no |
| 00:37.19 | dossjh | i see Finish startup log |
| 00:37.22 | JeffM | bahh |
| 00:37.30 | JeffM | ok then it's MOTD |
| 00:37.44 | dossjh | what? |
| 00:37.46 | JeffM | are you behind a proxy server or some kind of firewall that blocks connecitons on port 80? |
| 00:37.58 | dossjh | umm...yes |
| 00:38.04 | dossjh | i have a total hack of a network |
| 00:38.20 | JeffM | then that would be your problem |
| 00:38.24 | JeffM | curl is crashing |
| 00:38.37 | dossjh | there is no way to make it work...i only want to play lan games |
| 00:39.02 | JeffM | once you get a config yeah |
| 00:39.11 | JeffM | well ish |
| 00:39.22 | dossjh | ... ? |
| 00:39.23 | JeffM | we are an interent game so by default we at least TRY to check the internet |
| 00:39.33 | JeffM | the server list will try to hit the internet too |
| 00:39.48 | JeffM | and if your network crashes the MOTD then it'll crash the list too |
| 00:39.55 | JeffM | so you won't be able to list lan games ether |
| 00:40.07 | JeffM | let me think |
| 00:40.11 | dossjh | ok |
| 00:40.16 | dossjh | :(...thanks |
| 00:41.05 | JeffM | will your network support HTTP on port 80 to localhost? |
| 00:41.14 | JeffM | even if it returns a failure |
| 00:42.20 | JeffM | try this |
| 00:42.27 | dossjh | i think it will |
| 00:42.30 | JeffM | grab the 2.0 folder from your computer that works |
| 00:42.42 | dossjh | was just doing that :) |
| 00:42.45 | dossjh | done |
| 00:42.48 | JeffM | copy that to the same place on one that dosn't |
| 00:42.54 | JeffM | then open the config in a text editor |
| 00:43.00 | JeffM | find anywhere that says HTTP |
| 00:43.07 | JeffM | and change the URL to 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:43.19 | JeffM | and take out the # in front of the line |
| 00:43.27 | JeffM | should be the list URL and the motd url |
| 00:44.04 | JeffM | you could also try to add set disableMOTD 1 in the file |
| 00:44.49 | JeffM | but yeah even for lan play we assume that we can at least try to check HTTP on port 80 |
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| 00:45.19 | dossjh | yeah...htat makes since |
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| 00:46.10 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1159 10/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 00:46.10 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Provide a helper class for walking potentially-multibyte unicode strings. |
| 00:46.10 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Provide support for multibyte encodings (UTF-8, UTF-16) in FTFont and derived classes, and in FTSimpleLayout. |
| 00:46.10 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * Put a few UTF-8 strings in non-latin codeplanes in FTGLDemo (toggle at compile-time) for testing. |
| 00:46.11 | CIA-33 | FTGL: * FTSimpleLayout should be tested extensively before release. I would be surprised if I didn't break at least one unusual use case. |
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| 00:47.22 | dossjh | well |
| 00:47.32 | dossjh | that made it so i can get to the main menu |
| 00:47.36 | dossjh | thanks alot :) |
| 00:47.42 | JeffM | I wonder what about your network setup crashes curl |
| 00:47.48 | JeffM | how wierd is your setup? |
| 00:47.54 | dossjh | well... |
| 00:48.00 | dossjh | not very really |
| 00:48.01 | JeffM | I mean we realy should not crash |
| 00:48.28 | dossjh | im sharing a dial up connection via a proxy server |
| 00:48.42 | dossjh | called proxy+ |
| 00:49.00 | JeffM | you have an overly agressive firewwall that kills anything that tries raw net access? |
| 00:49.07 | JeffM | cus we'll just open a socket on 80 |
| 00:49.13 | JeffM | and try to connect |
| 00:49.16 | dossjh | no firewall at all |
| 00:49.19 | JeffM | if it fails we should be cool |
| 00:49.21 | JeffM | wierd |
| 00:49.23 | dossjh | i dont need it cause of the proxy |
| 00:50.23 | dossjh | it is strange that it crashes....maybe something wrong with the fail handeling...shouldnt be a really problem...who reallys plays from behind a proxy |
| 00:50.41 | JeffM | you can't |
| 00:50.45 | JeffM | we don't support them |
| 00:50.55 | JeffM | could also be an old version of curl, since 2.0.x is older |
| 00:50.57 | dossjh | obviously :P |
| 00:51.06 | JeffM | well I mean curl dosn't |
| 00:51.11 | JeffM | well curl does |
| 00:51.14 | JeffM | our networking does not |
| 00:51.17 | JeffM | we have 2 networking system |
| 00:51.24 | JeffM | one for play none for web |
| 00:51.41 | dossjh | yeah....well... |
| 00:51.57 | dossjh | i dont think its a bug |
| 00:52.21 | dossjh | an error message would be really cool tho :) |
| 00:52.38 | JeffM | it's not dying in our code |
| 00:52.42 | JeffM | so we can't throw an error |
| 00:52.42 | dossjh | ohhh |
| 00:52.50 | JeffM | we use a 3rd party HTTP lib |
| 00:52.51 | dossjh | its the libcurl thingy |
| 00:52.51 | JeffM | curl |
| 00:52.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:52.59 | dossjh | yeah i heard of it |
| 00:53.13 | JeffM | if we could detect the error we'd not crash and just not do the MOTD |
| 00:53.21 | JeffM | that's what is "suposed" to happen |
| 00:53.24 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1160 10/trunk/src/FTFont/FTFont.cpp: no need to shadow variables |
| 00:53.50 | JeffM | we are setup to basicly just ingore stuff that fails, so that lan games should work. that's why I wonder what about your network crashes curl |
| 00:54.27 | dossjh | could be the proxy server |
| 00:54.34 | dossjh | it has werid secrutiy settings |
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| 00:55.00 | dossjh | maybe is not failing nicely |
| 00:55.02 | JeffM | it shold not even be getting that far |
| 00:55.45 | dossjh | does curl respect the Internet Options Proxy settings? cause if not it cant be the proxy server |
| 00:56.03 | JeffM | that that I am aware of |
| 00:56.07 | dossjh | my computer doesnt have a default gateway |
| 00:56.08 | JeffM | thats why it should just fail righta way |
| 00:56.10 | dossjh | you think that could eb it? |
| 00:56.16 | JeffM | maybe |
| 00:56.26 | JeffM | but that should just mean the socket fails |
| 00:56.27 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1161 10/trunk/src/FTLayout/FTSimpleLayout.cpp: include wctype.h to make gcc happy |
| 00:56.38 | JeffM | and that is normaly handled |
| 00:57.13 | dossjh | well...network programing is way beyond me....but if you ever wnat me to test anything i would be glad to... :) |
| 00:59.34 | Erroneous | wow...even works on linux :) |
| 01:00.22 | dossjh | i tried adding a IP number to the default gateway...it didnt help |
| 01:00.43 | dossjh | but oh well...MAYBE i can play on lan now :) |
| 01:04.57 | brlcad | yay, indy time |
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| 01:17.11 | spldart | has recieved his hoodies and the custom shirts and is very happy :-D |
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| 01:27.32 | blast007 | there was a version of cURL that had issues |
| 01:27.43 | blast007 | meh, was scrolled up :P |
| 01:45.44 | CBG | did that nutter with the 64GB G4 ever come back and apologise...? |
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| 01:53.53 | javawizard2539 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.57 | javawizard2539 | ack, sry everyone |
| 01:54.01 | CBG | you better be |
| 01:54.07 | javawizard2539 | Don't start it again |
| 01:54.26 | CBG | oh please... How can I be angry while playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zowm3pf7mPo ? ;) |
| 01:55.03 | CBG | Ah, this one's better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnOn2U52V9k&feature=related |
| 01:55.33 | javawizard2539 | Ok, I thought you were getting mad at me |
| 01:55.47 | javawizard2539 | But it's cool |
| 01:55.51 | CBG | I would if it weren't for the fond memories. |
| 01:56.31 | CBG | Why don't we have anything even half as good as this on TV anymore? Kids these days have sod all to watch, no wonder they're out beating up grannies? |
| 01:59.14 | javawizard2539 | I haven't watched TV in around 2 years, so I'm not one to provide a good opinion on that subject |
| 01:59.24 | CBG | Zomg.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfaTsMUvVlU |
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| 02:02.23 | javawizard2539 | Which provides me with an endless stream of criticism from people I know who tell me to "get with the real world that watched TV at least once per week" :) |
| 02:02.40 | javawizard2539 | *watches |
| 02:14.37 | forrestv | is there any documentation of the bzflag protocol? |
| 02:17.46 | javawizard2539 | forrestv, IIRC there's some really out-of-date documentation |
| 02:17.52 | javawizard2539 | and at that it's significantly wanting |
| 02:18.04 | javawizard2539 | http://my.bzflag.org/w |
| 02:18.07 | javawizard2539 | It's somewhere on there |
| 02:20.21 | blast007 | forrestv: why? |
| 02:20.33 | blast007 | the most up to date documentation will be the code itself :) |
| 02:20.56 | blast007 | 2.99.x/3.x.x has a different protocol in some areas |
| 02:20.56 | forrestv | blast007, i was using that first :) |
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| 02:21.41 | Djpenguin | Where can I find the config file for 2.10 on Macs? |
| 02:22.10 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Config_File |
| 02:23.54 | Djpenguin | It doesnt seem to have a file in application support :\ |
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| 02:24.23 | Think_Differentl | Djpenguin, what Library are you looking in? |
| 02:26.57 | forrestv | where is the address of the list server stored? |
| 02:27.34 | blast007 | forrestv: if you want to set a different one, you can just use add -list http://yourlist/ when you launch bzflag |
| 02:28.00 | forrestv | blast007, i don't. i want to know what the current one. |
| 02:28.05 | forrestv | *is |
| 02:28.10 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 02:29.19 | forrestv | thanks |
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| 02:31.58 | blast007 | hi KingofCamelot |
| 02:32.05 | KingofCamelot | hey |
| 02:32.44 | KingofCamelot | how's it going? |
| 02:33.10 | blast007 | going good |
| 02:33.37 | KingofCamelot | good to hear |
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| 03:39.47 | Flash | Djpenguin: what do you need? My mac runs with no special config file |
| 03:39.59 | Flash | or do you mean where is it located so you can edit it? |
| 03:40.03 | Djpenguin | Flash: I figured it out |
| 03:40.07 | Djpenguin | Wrong library ^^ |
| 03:40.17 | Djpenguin | and where was it located |
| 03:40.29 | Flash | ~Library/Application Support/BZFlag/... |
| 03:40.32 | Djpenguin | yeah |
| 03:40.40 | Djpenguin | was wrong library that i was looking |
| 03:40.52 | Flash | means ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/... |
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| 05:46.40 | Wyk3d | Flash: ping |
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| 06:15.03 | Flash | Wyk3d: pong.... zzzzzz |
| 06:17.36 | brlcad | yeesh |
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| 06:19.46 | Wyk3d | damn time zones :) |
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| 06:22.17 | blast007 | brlcad: mysql down? |
| 06:33.31 | Mets | bb down? |
| 06:33.43 | think_tank | yes |
| 06:34.09 | Mets | ah, yeah blast beat me, didn't see that |
| 06:34.29 | think_tank | you'll have to settle for yahoo tic-tac-toe for now |
| 06:34.41 | Mets | lol |
| 06:37.20 | brlcad | blast007: shouldn't be |
| 06:37.32 | brlcad | oop, I didn't check the services, sorry |
| 06:37.38 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:39.20 | brlcad | back up |
| 06:39.40 | blast007 | hehe, only 38 servers on the list right now ;D |
| 06:39.41 | brlcad | disks filled up, didn't check the web services |
| 06:40.04 | brlcad | should make an auto-daemon watcher for mysqld like he has for httpd |
| 06:45.00 | Manu | blast007: not down, fat bits ;) |
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| 07:12.08 | sam | DTRemenak: yay for UTF-8! |
| 07:12.57 | DTRemenak | I just hope I didn't break anything else :) |
| 07:13.11 | DTRemenak | is pretty happy with it overall though |
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| 07:48.29 | mib_sgfila | hi |
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| 08:37.21 | Lukstr | sneakers is a good movie |
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| 09:05.36 | sam | DTRemenak: you should put the relevant copyright information in FTUnicode.h |
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| 12:44.29 | ThePurplePanzer | Question: I'm working on a 3 team map, and want to turn off the rectangular map border on radar - how can I do this? |
| 12:45.15 | ThePurplePanzer | (I think I saw a map by trepan that showed his triangular border, not the default square one.) |
| 12:46.25 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.44 | delusional | turn the walls off, on radar, i mean |
| 12:46.58 | ThePurplePanzer | I think I did that, but there is still a rectangular trace - I'll double check |
| 12:48.52 | delusional | freeCtfSpawns is an oft-overlooked portion of the world def. |
| 12:54.42 | delusional | if you make large transparent pyramids to prevent spawning in the corners, don't forget to add noculling in the material. and make th e pyrs a bit larger than it looks like they should be. |
| 12:55.51 | delusional | hmm i just checked, and your right, the radar signature remains with noWalls. even with set _wallHeight 0 |
| 12:57.21 | ThePurplePanzer | My 2.0.10 server doesn't like _noWalls, and _wallHeight 0 still shows the rect. I *know* there's a way to do it, I've seen it; I should have saved the map |
| 12:57.32 | ThePurplePanzer | (Got to run out for about 15 min) |
| 12:57.43 | delusional | nowalls goes in world |
| 12:57.54 | delusional | http://my.bzflag.org/w/World_%28object%29 |
| 12:58.40 | delusional | heh, i gotta run about fifteen minutes ago. |
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| 13:11.05 | delusional | It appears the noWalls doesn't do anything..... noWalls was added in 2.0.0 (?) and was superseded in 2.0.4 (?) by _wallHeight I'm not 100 percent sure what the expected behavior of noWalls is. I do know i'd like it to remove the radar signaure. |
| 13:12.21 | SpazzyMcGee | delusional: nowalls removes the walls |
| 13:12.34 | SpazzyMcGee | _wallHeight just flattens them |
| 13:12.56 | SpazzyMcGee | with noWalls you can actually drive out of the map boundry |
| 13:13.11 | SpazzyMcGee | (and get kicked) |
| 13:13.41 | SpazzyMcGee | Plus you don't see a box on the radar with noWalls, which is useful if you have an irregular shaped world. |
| 13:14.13 | delusional | spaz, that last statement appears to be incorrect |
| 13:14.50 | SpazzyMcGee | it is definitely correct. I used it on mars and juggernaut |
| 13:15.47 | SpazzyMcGee | join 4888 as an observer and roam outwards. |
| 13:15.59 | SpazzyMcGee | You will never cross a boundary wall |
| 13:16.56 | delusional | GAh I forgot the capital W |
| 13:18.18 | SpazzyMcGee | so basically _wallHeight is for replacing the fence, like we did on passion. noWalls is for having a non-square world. |
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| 13:39.03 | ThePurplePanzer | Got it, and noWalls works just fine! Thanks very much. |
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| 14:20.10 | sam | does anyone know whether there are maps with a highly uneven ground? |
| 14:21.03 | SpazzyMcGee | There are few, seeing as you can't drive up slopes. |
| 14:21.12 | sam | I was rather impressed by how BJS looks like (http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=151566) |
| 14:23.24 | SpazzyMcGee | There are heavily textured maps. |
| 14:23.52 | SpazzyMcGee | try louman's mystic valley? |
| 14:36.20 | sam | oh, pretty |
| 14:37.21 | sam | except I don't see a thing even on a gamma=2.2 screen :-) |
| 14:37.32 | sam | s/even// |
| 14:41.27 | whodaman- | :P |
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| 15:57.19 | JBdiGriz | I wonder if these guys would like to contribute to an open source effort to show off their technology http://www.tsns.com |
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| 16:24.13 | KTL | the vertices line in a bzw file, suppose 4 numbers follow, the 4th number, is that a reference to the 3rd vertex of a second triangle? |
| 16:26.55 | SpazzyMcGee | depends if you're talking about a face or a tristrip |
| 16:27.32 | KTL | ah i might want a tristrip then |
| 16:27.53 | SpazzyMcGee | Tristrips are drawinfo. They won't work as a normal face |
| 16:28.29 | SpazzyMcGee | Faces go clockwise, I think. |
| 16:28.37 | SpazzyMcGee | Somebody verify that. |
| 16:28.49 | Lukstr | tristrip? |
| 16:29.02 | JeffM2501 | tristrip! |
| 16:29.22 | Lukstr | how do they go clockwise? they alternate? |
| 16:29.32 | JeffM2501 | he meant regular faces |
| 16:29.39 | JeffM2501 | strips do alternate |
| 16:29.48 | Lukstr | oh |
| 16:30.34 | Lukstr | I thought faces were defined counter-clockwise? |
| 16:31.01 | BulletCatcher | It depends on whether you are looking at the front or the back. :-) |
| 16:31.13 | Lukstr | uhh |
| 16:31.22 | Lukstr | looking from the front |
| 16:31.27 | BulletCatcher | From the front, I think it is counter-clockwise. |
| 16:31.32 | Lukstr | if you do it clockwise you're looking at the back face |
| 16:31.58 | SpazzyMcGee | OK, It's anti-clockwise then |
| 16:33.19 | JeffM2501 | KTL, what part of the map are you editing? something in a draw info or a face? |
| 16:34.45 | KTL | (phonecall, /me is multitasking) |
| 16:44.24 | JeffM2501 | drawinfos are harder to code by hand |
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| 16:44.34 | JeffM2501 | modeltool suports them if they come from some tool |
| 16:44.54 | JeffM2501 | but the speed increase won't be THAT much |
| 16:46.51 | CIA-33 | FTGL: 03dtremenak * r1162 10/trunk/src/FTUnicode.h: Copyright notices as requested by sam |
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| 16:47.12 | sam | DTRemenak: suggested, only suggested :) |
| 16:48.13 | DTRemenak | didn't know whether ftgl was under per-file or as-a-whole copyright anyway |
| 16:49.33 | DTRemenak | 'tis good to know |
| 16:53.01 | sam | I don't think anyone ever made a decision, but it's just weird to only have Henry's 2001-2004 copyright on a brand new file he didn't even touch |
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| 17:08.11 | KTL | what was that option again that allowed tanks to climb pyramids and meshes? |
| 17:08.25 | KTL | -set _noClimb 0 dit not help |
| 17:08.59 | blast007 | that's the one |
| 17:09.06 | blast007 | you have to jump to climb up |
| 17:09.08 | BulletCatcher | That *is* the option. Did you restart the server after the change? |
| 17:09.24 | blast007 | and sometimes you have to pull the mouse back a ways if it's really steep |
| 17:09.49 | KTL | it's ok, wunderbar, now i go climbing like a monkey in my newly generated shapes |
| 17:09.58 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 17:26.10 | Lukstr | exits the building. |
| 17:26.19 | Lukstr | See you all Monday when the fun begins |
| 17:26.35 | BulletCatcher | Enjoy a final weekend of freedom! |
| 17:31.02 | SpazzyMcGee | Does a drawinfo with angvel start rotating from when the server starts or the first player joins? |
| 17:31.17 | SpazzyMcGee | I know it's synced across clients |
| 17:31.42 | SpazzyMcGee | And does it always start from the same place in it's trejectory? |
| 17:31.49 | SpazzyMcGee | *trajectory |
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| 17:43.47 | KTL | the meshes from a bzworld |
| 17:44.10 | KTL | i cant specify ... surfaces with 4 points i guess? |
| 17:44.22 | KTL | it would result in a curved surface ... |
| 17:44.50 | KTL | quads |
| 17:45.37 | BulletCatcher | Correct. Such a "surface" would be modeled as 2 triangles. |
| 17:46.18 | KTL | mmm i got something like a spiral stair now, but tanks don't like the stairs so i try to make it one spiraled surface |
| 17:47.50 | BulletCatcher | I don't think you can have a truly smooth curve in BZFlag. The best you can do is lots of tiny flat surfaces. |
| 17:52.23 | KTL | what can i do to avoid that my tank gets ... eaten/captured by a mesh? it gets stuck and gets expelled at the other side |
| 17:55.39 | blast007 | inside/outside points maybe |
| 17:56.08 | KTL | mmm cool |
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| 18:54.37 | BulletCatcher | I have seen neither positive nor negative feedback to the freetype/ftgl config patch I previewed 2 days ago at http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m37fc00a0 . Should I take that as permission to commit, or do I need to be more patient? |
| 18:57.14 | donny_baker | JeffM2501: the shirt is awesome... fits great |
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| 19:01.16 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: it looks fine to me |
| 19:01.38 | brlcad | only nitpick is whether #include "FTGL/..." is necesary |
| 19:02.05 | BulletCatcher | The FTGL/ prefix is necessary on my Fedora system. |
| 19:02.07 | brlcad | since (presumably) the ftgl headers could have been installed anywhere so configure should be testing for the include/FTGL path |
| 19:02.30 | BulletCatcher | Hmmm |
| 19:02.36 | brlcad | it's not necessary, it's never necessary :) |
| 19:02.46 | brlcad | it's just a matter of the search path |
| 19:03.45 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. Let me see if I can do a better job with the FTGL include path. |
| 19:08.39 | Manu | brlcad: right, I removed FTGL/ from the source and just changed configure.am to add the right path when using system |
| 19:08.55 | Manu | brlcad: what about using pkg-config? |
| 19:09.10 | whodaman- | Global is down |
| 19:09.29 | brlcad | if ftgl docs said that "we always install into FTGL subdir" like SDL folks do, I could see a good case for it -- without that, though, it's just as likely to break other systems |
| 19:09.42 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 19:09.57 | whodaman- | I can't connect |
| 19:10.01 | whodaman- | neither can all the others |
| 19:10.11 | brlcad | not "all" the others, ibot just did |
| 19:10.22 | whodaman- | brlcad, back :) |
| 19:10.55 | brlcad | i suspect some router just reset somewhere on the intarwebs |
| 19:11.06 | BulletCatcher | On Fedora I can't find a direct way to determine the exact directory conaining the FTGL 2.1.2 .h files. |
| 19:11.20 | Manu | brlcad: I tried pkg-config ftgl --cflags and looks like it's buggy :/ (in the stable ftgl version) |
| 19:11.23 | brlcad | Manu: pkg-config works.. when you have pkg-config and the right rule installed ;) |
| 19:11.44 | brlcad | Manu: so you want to fix it then? |
| 19:11.45 | Manu | brlcad: the rule is in the ftgl package ;) |
| 19:11.56 | Manu | the ftgl? |
| 19:11.57 | BulletCatcher | The best I could do would be to parse the output of a "rpm -ql" command |
| 19:12.00 | brlcad | sure |
| 19:12.09 | Manu | brlcad: it's fixed in svn I guess :) |
| 19:12.51 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: you shouldn't need to I'd think .. where's that FTGL dir? |
| 19:13.03 | brlcad | Manu: ah, then no worries! |
| 19:13.10 | brlcad | can't fix what's already released |
| 19:13.24 | Manu | brlcad: but not in the stable (and old) ftgl released in 2004 IIRC ;) |
| 19:13.39 | Manu | brlcad: you can do a fix release ;) |
| 19:13.41 | brlcad | nods a "it's not our problem" :) |
| 19:13.48 | Winny | wow, trepan posted on the forum |
| 19:14.23 | donny_baker | yeah... but is was basically, I did that years ago ;) |
| 19:14.24 | BulletCatcher | It is /usr/include/FTGL as expected. |
| 19:14.24 | brlcad | Manu: yeah, eventually .. soon as sam finishes up his new layout stuff and the unicode stuff is tested we can probably push out an update release |
| 19:15.11 | BulletCatcher | I could test for /usr/include/FTGL and blindly fall back to /usr/include if that fails, but I don't see a better way. |
| 19:15.56 | BulletCatcher | I don't have any other distros handy for comparison. |
| 19:16.17 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: see the SDL header checks, I'd think we could do something nearly identical |
| 19:16.35 | brlcad | since they did both "SDL.h" and "SDL/SDL.h" at one point so you end up needing to check for both |
| 19:16.41 | brlcad | donny_baker: which forum? |
| 19:16.55 | donny_baker | bzbb |
| 19:16.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:17.02 | brlcad | *forum* |
| 19:18.16 | donny_baker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.44 | brlcad | ah, thanks |
| 19:20.50 | BulletCatcher | Okay. If /usr/include/FTGL/FTGL.h exists then I'll have it add -I/usr/include/FTGL . |
| 19:21.33 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: ehm, you did see the SDL header check? :) |
| 19:21.47 | brlcad | you shouldn't rely on /usr/include |
| 19:21.59 | brlcad | you're just checking if FTGL/FTGL.h exists |
| 19:22.54 | BulletCatcher | Yes. That's how it will be implemented. :-) I'll post a preview of the next version. |
| 19:23.04 | brlcad | then modify the patch to use either accordingly -- that's more reliable given there's no pkg-config or ftgl-config to call upon |
| 19:24.16 | BulletCatcher | I should be able to make this work without changing src/3D/FontManager.cxx from its current state. |
| 19:24.50 | brlcad | will be surprised :) |
| 19:25.39 | BulletCatcher | Current state as of r17242, not as modified by my previous patch preview. |
| 19:25.40 | brlcad | with a header check of FTGL/ftgl.h, it could be in /usr/include /usr/local/include /usr/share/include and a number of other valid "system" places depending on the OS |
| 19:26.26 | BulletCatcher | does "svn revert src/3D/FontManager.cxx" |
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| 19:53.39 | Mets | is there a way to list out all of the localset variables, like /set does with server variables? |
| 19:54.05 | ruskie | tried /localset ? |
| 19:54.56 | Mets | yes it didn't do anything :p |
| 19:55.40 | think_tank | afaik, /localset has no effect whatsoever in my ancient 2.0.2 client |
| 19:57.46 | Mets | oh, wait i forgot, it's the same variables as /set |
| 19:57.59 | Mets | i think, mostly anyway |
| 20:08.47 | BulletCatcher | It seems that the old FTGL version (e.g., 2.1.2) has FTGL/FTGL.h and the trunk version has has FTGL/ftgl.h . Would that be a good way to distinguish between them at configure time? |
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| 20:12.05 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: there's no reliable way to detect that, but it shouldn't matter really as the problematic systems won't likely have it installed |
| 20:12.47 | brlcad | i'd just check for the old one since the new one can be made to be different (e.g. pkg-config or just "ftgl.h", etc) |
| 20:13.09 | brlcad | current head isn't necessarily set in stone, it can change |
| 20:13.12 | brlcad | and probably should |
| 20:13.24 | brlcad | (the header should provide the dang version |
| 20:13.57 | BulletCatcher | Okay. We'll deal with the prospect of the new version being installed on the system when that actually occurs. |
| 20:14.17 | BulletCatcher | (brlcad will not be surprised by my change, after all) |
| 20:14.28 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, you want the hat shipped to your paypal addy? or where I sent your last item? |
| 20:14.48 | Constitution | paypal address, I guess |
| 20:14.52 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:14.57 | Constitution | as long as I don't have to sign for it |
| 20:15.13 | Constitution | 'cause I'm never home during the day |
| 20:15.21 | JeffM2501 | naw I don't do signatures |
| 20:15.29 | JeffM2501 | it's mailboxable |
| 20:15.38 | Constitution | cool |
| 20:17.29 | JeffM2501 | one more hat left |
| 20:17.33 | JeffM2501 | any takers? |
| 20:17.58 | donny_baker | tankers* ;) |
| 20:18.22 | donny_baker | there is one :) |
| 20:21.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:22.10 | JeffM2501 | did have to spend 37.50$ on shipping supplies :( |
| 20:23.04 | ruskie | hat??? |
| 20:23.09 | JeffM2501 | hat! |
| 20:23.18 | ruskie | what kind... |
| 20:23.28 | JeffM2501 | ping PH03 |
| 20:23.44 | JeffM2501 | http://picasaweb.google.com/JeffM2501/Hats/ |
| 20:24.26 | spldart | kinda kewl |
| 20:24.34 | JeffM2501 | is wearing his |
| 20:24.49 | ruskie | to bad I'm atm broke... |
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| 20:24.58 | ruskie | I like those caps... |
| 20:24.58 | spldart | btw I love my hoodie :-) |
| 20:25.03 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, thse we will probalby do more of |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | I think I want to do some other colors later |
| 20:25.24 | JeffM2501 | I have no minumums on hats and stuff |
| 20:25.27 | JeffM2501 | spldart, cool |
| 20:25.30 | JeffM2501 | it all got there ok? |
| 20:25.35 | JeffM2501 | the box didn't asplodde? |
| 20:25.40 | spldart | yes it did.. Hehe no |
| 20:25.50 | JeffM2501 | it was rather full |
| 20:26.05 | spldart | Buncha happy campers here between the orders |
| 20:26.20 | JeffM2501 | your wife like hers? |
| 20:26.26 | JeffM2501 | and brlcad your's arive yet? |
| 20:26.59 | spldart | Oh yeah. We were both being goofy and acting gangster.. So my 6 y/o got into the play too. Twas thoroughly goofy |
| 20:27.21 | spldart | My teenage daughters were rolling their eyes and everything... |
| 20:27.26 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:27.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:27.33 | spldart | But they all like their shirts and stuff too |
| 20:27.37 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:27.48 | JeffM2501 | sorry it took so long |
| 20:27.50 | BulletCatcher | What more could the parent of a teenager wish for? :-) |
| 20:28.19 | JeffM2501 | the polo shirt came out the best I think |
| 20:29.03 | spldart | I can't imagine.... I mean.. that's what teenager parents live for.. embarrasing their teens :) |
| 20:30.00 | F687s | is scared to know how spldart's children ended up. |
| 20:30.18 | BulletCatcher | pwd |
| 20:30.28 | BulletCatcher | sry, wrong window |
| 20:31.01 | spldart | Not bad... Most have IQ's in the 140's.. I just found out my middle child aced her TAKS test. |
| 20:31.24 | spldart | Only child in her school |
| 20:34.41 | Manu | BulletCatcher: :) |
| 20:44.02 | Mets | whoa since when did we get ping hats |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM2501 | since the box got here on wednesday |
| 20:44.33 | JeffM2501 | I only had 6 printed |
| 20:44.36 | Mets | that's totally wearable on the golf course if it's ping :p |
| 20:45.03 | JeffM2501 | are they good? |
| 20:45.08 | Mets | ping? |
| 20:45.10 | JeffM2501 | I just picked them from the book |
| 20:45.29 | Mets | ping makes some of the best golf equipment you can buy |
| 20:45.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:45.45 | Mets | its $$$ though for sure |
| 20:45.54 | JeffM2501 | this was one of the cheapest hats |
| 20:45.57 | Mets | lol |
| 20:46.04 | Mets | well we don't have to say anything about that :p |
| 20:46.28 | JeffM2501 | they cost us 12$ to print so I'm selling them for 16 |
| 20:47.46 | Constitution | I knew I was being extorted ;) |
| 20:48.04 | JeffM2501 | our normal margins would have put it at 18 |
| 20:48.12 | JeffM2501 | but it seems that's too much to pay for a hat :) |
| 20:48.23 | Mets | hehe |
| 20:51.31 | JeffM | tho it's got a "coolmax" headband in it and I hear that is a good thing |
| 20:56.46 | Winny | Yeah, it makes you less nerdy |
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| 20:57.25 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17243 10/trunk/bzflag/ (122 files in 16 dirs): Merge FTGL from upstream r1162. Fully enables UTF-8 drawing; Russian is now usable. Other translators may wish to add special characters to their translations as appropriate. |
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| 21:15.58 | brlcad | JeffM: not yet |
| 21:17.21 | Erroneous | pokes a russian screenshot onto the forums |
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| 21:17.49 | Winny | Erroneous: In soviet russia, screenshot posts you |
| 21:20.06 | F687s | Falcon Punches Winny |
| 21:20.12 | Winny | :p |
| 21:31.03 | brlcad | woo hoo! |
| 21:31.05 | bryjen | No, in soviet russia, screen takes pictures of you! |
| 21:31.07 | brlcad | ~Erroneous++ |
| 21:31.39 | Winny | bryjen: Wouldn't it also be posting you then, too? ;) |
| 21:32.26 | brlcad | that looks pretty cool |
| 21:32.30 | bryjen | not "posting" them, just sending them to the KGB |
| 21:32.42 | Winny | pft |
| 21:33.35 | bryjen | Them .po files, them .po .po files |
| 21:33.43 | bryjen | could not resist |
| 21:34.22 | brlcad | i, for one, welcome our new multibite overlords |
| 21:35.08 | bryjen | takes a bite or two out of brlcad and hand him a y |
| 21:35.36 | brlcad | plays on his words, bouncing and squealing |
| 21:35.48 | bryjen | hrm |
| 21:35.57 | bryjen | /usr/bin/doxygen doxygen.cfg stamp-eps |
| 21:36.05 | bryjen | make[5]: *** [stamp-doxygen] Segmentation fault |
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| 21:36.33 | bryjen | whilest building ftgl inside bzflag |
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| 21:39.15 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:43.15 | Erroneous | goes and closes some old l10n RFEs and bugs |
| 21:48.58 | Erroneous | kinda fun to close 6-year-old bugs as fixed :) |
| 21:53.13 | Erroneous | 'course y'know this is gonna throw the word filtering stuff off :) |
| 21:57.19 | Constitution | gotta love it when people randomly assign their bug reports to Tim, Jeff, Sean, or whoever |
| 21:58.17 | Erroneous | most of that is done automatically (subsystem maintainer logic) |
| 21:58.25 | Constitution | oh |
| 21:58.30 | Erroneous | i.e. if you enter a bug and mark it as "bzfs" it gets assigned to Tim |
| 21:58.42 | Erroneous | 'cause that just makes a whole lot of sense... |
| 21:59.05 | JeffM | should fix that |
| 21:59.07 | Erroneous | same for BZEdit stuff getting assigned to the cow |
| 21:59.50 | Erroneous | probably made sense five years ago, not so much now |
| 22:00.03 | JeffM | no it didn't then ether ;) |
| 22:00.41 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:16.02 | brlcad | i thought i fixed all of those |
| 22:16.13 | brlcad | everything was "assign to tim" by default |
| 22:16.23 | brlcad | i went through a couple years ago and unset everything |
| 22:16.41 | brlcad | at least the tim ones |
| 22:19.10 | BulletCatcher | My r17243 client does not display a lowercase "j" in the chat window. All other letters are okay. |
| 22:20.00 | BulletCatcher | Beyond that, r17243 doesn't seem to conflict with my revised configure patch. I still have 5 more configuration variations to test.... |
| 22:23.15 | Erroneous | j works fine for me. sure you don't have a sticky key or something? :) |
| 22:23.29 | BulletCatcher | It's invisible. |
| 22:23.31 | spldart | fun stuff r17243 '== Build: 1 succeeded, 2 failed, 20 up-to-date, 0 skipped = |
| 22:23.36 | spldart | vc8 |
| 22:24.36 | BulletCatcher | My guess it has something to do with the descending part below the line, but "g" is fine. |
| 22:27.07 | Erroneous | even switched through all the fonts. works for me. |
| 22:27.28 | spldart | LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file '..\..\src\other\ftgl\msvc\build\ftgl_static_d.lib' |
| 22:28.22 | BulletCatcher | I have "set consoleFontSize 24" in my config file. That may matter. |
| 22:30.01 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17244 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/msvc/vc8/ftgl_static.vcproj: for bzflag, hardcode the path to freetype. |
| 22:30.07 | Erroneous | spldart: try that |
| 22:30.25 | spldart | k |
| 22:32.20 | spldart | thank you. all good |
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| 22:33.47 | Erroneous | BulletCatcher: yeah, it seems to be vera mono at 24 that has that problem. interesting. didn't happen before? |
| 22:34.09 | BulletCatcher | I don't think so. Let me check with an older version.... |
| 22:37.19 | BulletCatcher | Well! r17242, with ftgl 2.1.2 has the same problem. |
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| 22:48.38 | brlcad | yay, all caught up with my 2006 e-mail |
| 22:48.45 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 22:49.05 | Winny | brlcad: all spam? |
| 22:49.16 | brlcad | oops, I mean 2005 |
| 22:49.25 | brlcad | *now* on to 2006 |
| 22:49.58 | brlcad | Winny: no, actual mail .. my "this is actually important and requires some action on my part eventually" inbox |
| 22:50.05 | Winny | o.O |
| 22:51.47 | KTL | detects Winny |
| 22:51.55 | Winny | good.. uh, work? |
| 22:52.18 | KTL | myes, i come to whine about euhm server config :) |
| 22:52.30 | Constitution | ~m |
| 22:52.30 | ibot | well, m is a variant of the n disease, usually found among league and CTF players. |
| 22:52.51 | KTL | please make flags and tanks spawn on buildings too, at the badgerking clone :) |
| 22:53.03 | KTL | s/please/nplease/ |
| 22:53.30 | Winny | oh right |
| 22:53.35 | KTL | btw, does anyone here have a more recent version of the badgerking map?? |
| 22:53.44 | KTL | because it's really outdated |
| 22:54.20 | KyleVE | done |
| 22:54.27 | KyleVE | (the -fb) |
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| 22:55.13 | Winny | oh crap |
| 22:55.14 | Winny | forgot -sb |
| 22:55.23 | Winny | I'm so not with it today |
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| 22:56.18 | BulletCatcher | The one-line change in r17243 to src/3D/FontManager.cxx is not compatible with FTGL 2.1.2. The error message: |
| 22:56.20 | BulletCatcher | request for member 'Xf' in 'theFont->FTFont::Advance(stripped)', which is of non-class type 'float' |
| 22:56.41 | BulletCatcher | Fix it with "#ifdef BUILD_FTGL" ? |
| 22:57.29 | KTL | it works |
| 23:01.08 | KTL | thanks! |
| 23:02.24 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: yeah, I was going to talk to sam about that one .. he changed the interface without a workaround |
| 23:02.36 | brlcad | that's why I hadn't merged head yet :) |
| 23:03.47 | Erroneous | figured we'd just require the next release anyway |
| 23:04.47 | Erroneous | BulletCatcher: it looks like a freetype problem to me. We get a bitmap back from them with a valid height and width, and correct glyph dimensions |
| 23:05.07 | Erroneous | could be a bug in the font, could be a bug in freetype |
| 23:05.20 | Erroneous | guesses font |
| 23:06.00 | BulletCatcher | The j remains invisible in r17243 when linked with Fedora's FTGL 2.1.2 and freetype 2.3.5. |
| 23:06.28 | BulletCatcher | So, yeah, the font is the likely scapegoat. |
| 23:09.02 | ndim | sneaks off before someone notices he is a Fedora Font SIG member. |
| 23:10.38 | BulletCatcher | ~hide ndim |
| 23:10.39 | ibot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers ndim with it so that nobody can see what ndim is doing! |
| 23:10.52 | JeffM | we load our own fonts tho right? |
| 23:11.17 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 23:11.27 | JeffM | so that'd just be our choice of font? |
| 23:11.45 | Erroneous | yeah, and his choice of size |
| 23:12.00 | JeffM | mayhaps there is an updated font file |
| 23:14.27 | Erroneous | not likely. probably be better to switch to one of the derivatives anyway (VeraMono spawned several other fonts, i.e. DejaVuMono, which we could use) |
| 23:14.36 | JeffM | coo |
| 23:14.58 | Erroneous | and I s'pose if it's the default it won't even break old configs |
| 23:15.01 | BulletCatcher | Our copy came from GNOME, and they have nother newer. |
| 23:15.11 | BulletCatcher | nothing* |
| 23:15.20 | Erroneous | yeah, they're pretty much abandoned |
| 23:15.38 | Erroneous | try DejaVuMono, see if it has the same problem |
| 23:15.44 | Erroneous | bold variety |
| 23:15.50 | Erroneous | should look close to identical |
| 23:16.02 | Erroneous | if it works we can swap it out |
| 23:16.14 | Erroneous | then we get extended characters for free too :) |
| 23:20.37 | BulletCatcher | The "j" is visible with DejaVuLGCSansMono-Bold.ttf, but the character spacing is wider. |
| 23:20.47 | Erroneous | LGC? |
| 23:21.06 | BulletCatcher | That's the name of the file as distributed by Fedora. |
| 23:22.15 | BulletCatcher | It is the dejavu-lgc-fonts RPM, which claims http://dejavu.sourceforge.net as its upstream. |
| 23:22.52 | BulletCatcher | LGC == Latin/Greek/Cyrillic |
| 23:23.48 | Erroneous | horizontal spacing is close to identical here |
| 23:23.59 | Erroneous | but they are reported as significantly taller |
| 23:24.25 | BulletCatcher | Probably to make room for the entire "j". :-) |
| 23:24.33 | Erroneous | hah |
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| 23:38.31 | KTL | http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bz/bzfi0072.png <- made this, and it is very climbable |
| 23:39.03 | brlcad | wow.. heh |
| 23:39.04 | JeffM | that's some faces |
| 23:39.10 | JeffM | the normals correct? |
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| 23:39.34 | KTL | nothing done about normals yet, just faces, i am not a texture person, but i can add them i think |
| 23:39.38 | BulletCatcher | Very nice, KTL. |
| 23:39.40 | brlcad | thinks that might work for a dmg background |
| 23:39.52 | JeffM | normals are for lighting not textures ;) |
| 23:39.57 | KTL | ej, not just for the art, this is a way of climbing |
| 23:40.10 | KTL | euh right, anyway, texture coords are not in place either |
| 23:40.44 | KTL | i solved my fall through problem by making the ceiling faces drivethrough |
| 23:42.43 | CIA-33 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17245 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/ (6 files in 2 dirs): move WebStats over to the new template system so it can look purdy |
| 23:42.49 | KTL | http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bz/bzfi0073.png <- and top view |
| 23:43.41 | JeffM | wonders who wants to try to write templates for the web plugins :) |
| 23:45.23 | KTL | JeffM, would adding normals make it really more ... smooth? |
| 23:45.59 | BulletCatcher | Does that spiral have a huge bzw, or can it be described with a relatively simple statement? |
| 23:46.17 | KTL | 128k |
| 23:46.23 | JeffM | KTL,techicaly yeah |
| 23:46.38 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, that is a mesh, we don't have a corkscrew primitive :) |
| 23:46.45 | BulletCatcher | That fits my definition of huge. :-) |
| 23:47.00 | KTL | but, i repeat that face vertices endface again and again, i suppose it could be defined much shorter |
| 23:47.04 | JeffM | we hav box, pyramid, and mesh basicly |
| 23:47.20 | JeffM | with a couple macro type things to generate meshes for arcs and boxes |
| 23:47.44 | JeffM | ahh you need to index it |
| 23:47.53 | JeffM | if you do it in a modeler modeltool will index it up for you |
| 23:48.18 | KTL | it's just python script output |
| 23:48.25 | JeffM | I gathered |
| 23:48.35 | JeffM | dump it out of bzflag as an obj |
| 23:48.46 | JeffM | then pull the obj into modeltool to make a bzw :) |
| 23:49.06 | Erroneous | or change your script to do it |
| 23:49.46 | KTL | mmm not sure if that would be helpfull, a designer might want modified spirals |
| 23:49.51 | JeffM | brute force indexing isn't hard |
| 23:49.52 | JeffM | just slow |
| 23:50.01 | JeffM | you can do it after the fact |
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| 23:50.33 | KTL | there, http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bz/jumphigh.py, not much code |
| 23:53.36 | BulletCatcher | Oooh. bzflag-2.99.3-17243.tar.bz2 crossed the 16,000,000 byte threshold. |
| 23:55.24 | JeffM | so? |
| 23:55.38 | Winny | quick, remove some features |
| 23:55.41 | BulletCatcher | It's just a milestone. |
| 23:55.49 | JeffM | it is? |
| 23:56.04 | JeffM | how can it be a milestone when it isn't tied to any form of goal? |
| 23:56.23 | JeffM | it's as much of a milestone as todays date ;) |
| 23:56.25 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag won't qualify as bloatware until it can read e-mail. :-) |
| 23:56.38 | Erroneous | could totally do that with a plugin |
| 23:56.41 | JeffM | yep |
| 23:56.57 | JeffM | heck it coudl even be your mailserver |
| 23:57.42 | Winny | you just gace me an idea |
| 23:57.47 | Winny | a plugin that emails reports |
| 23:58.16 | JeffM | there is the webreport |
| 23:58.26 | KTL | JeffM, what are the default normals? |
| 23:58.27 | JeffM | having it mail them would not be a bad feature to add to it |
| 23:58.39 | JeffM | KTL, it tries to compute them from the face normal |
| 23:58.53 | JeffM | so it'd be a vector that faces out from the "outside" of the face |
| 23:59.07 | JeffM | to smooth it up you'd want it to be tangent to the curve |
| 23:59.08 | KTL | but since it sees no connection to other faces it will just make them perpendicular |
| 23:59.20 | JeffM | well perp to the tangent of the curvve |
| 23:59.31 | JeffM | KTL, connection dosn't matter |
| 23:59.36 | JeffM | there is no concept of 'connection" |
| 23:59.40 | JeffM | just the normal dir |
| 23:59.43 | KTL | it does not see a curve, only loose triangles |
| 23:59.49 | JeffM | I know |
