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| 00:04.47 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6be8a8b5 |
| 00:16.24 | Lukstr | thridPerson :P |
| 00:16.25 | Lukstr | nice |
| 00:16.52 | JeffM | that's old |
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| 00:19.02 | JeffM | spldart, fixed |
| 00:19.35 | spldart | danke :) |
| 00:25.03 | spldart | no cia? |
| 00:26.03 | JeffM | no |
| 00:26.47 | spldart | Was it something I said? |
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| 00:38.20 | spldart | Musta sat on the remote |
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| 01:30.15 | Thumper_ | blast007: so I can see the symbols in plugins after the dlopen call (in load1Plugin) but when I step into it the line numbers don't match - so something is foobared |
| 01:31.17 | Thumper_ | and I can't set break points on the plugin bz_Load() function or the constructor since the symbols aren't loaded yet and all that executes before I get control back (when executing the dlopen call) |
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| 03:07.08 | Thumper_ | blast007: plugin debug builds are borked. working on a fix |
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| 03:15.45 | Thumper_ | brlcad: how does -g get into the regular bzflag build options for gcc ? I don't see it - but it magically gets in there for ./configure --enable-debug |
| 03:16.04 | brlcad | -g -O2 is the default |
| 03:16.10 | brlcad | from autoconf |
| 03:16.29 | Thumper_ | hmm that doesn't seem to be true for plugins... or I clobbered it somewhere |
| 03:16.29 | brlcad | we tack on additional options from there |
| 03:16.59 | brlcad | if CFLAGS/CPPFLAGS is set to anything, the defaults will not be set |
| 03:17.01 | Thumper_ | -g is missing so the debug symbols are whacked for plugins (or we simply don't have line number info) |
| 03:17.14 | Thumper_ | ok I'll see if I can fix that |
| 03:17.36 | brlcad | the way bzflag handles it is rather bogus |
| 03:17.45 | brlcad | the autoconf defaults are bogus imho |
| 03:18.11 | brlcad | I would opt to forcibly override them in our configure.ac and set them specifically to what we want |
| 03:18.18 | Thumper_ | is an autoconf/autotools novice but I'm trying to make it work anyway :) |
| 03:18.21 | brlcad | (even if it's to set -g -O2) |
| 03:18.47 | brlcad | ahh, plugins has my override hack already |
| 03:18.55 | brlcad | so it removed the defaults |
| 03:19.10 | brlcad | so debug needs to tack on a -g |
| 03:19.26 | Thumper_ | yeah I did it manually and it works |
| 03:19.30 | brlcad | where it says -O0 |
| 03:19.30 | Thumper_ | just have to fix the build now |
| 03:19.44 | Thumper_ | also need to fix the host for plugins since it seems to be unset/missing |
| 03:19.59 | brlcad | -g is all that --enable-debug really should do, imho |
| 03:20.11 | Thumper_ | not -O0 too ? |
| 03:20.22 | Thumper_ | since debugging -O2 can be 'harder' |
| 03:20.24 | brlcad | since you could conceivably want debug+optimized or debug sans optimized |
| 03:21.07 | brlcad | you can still get useful debugging with optimized, depends what you're trying to do |
| 03:21.08 | Thumper_ | ok - I'd like it to at least work first - :) so I'm just trying to get -O0 -g working for now |
| 03:21.39 | Thumper_ | add a param to set the optimization level? or how else would you control it? |
| 03:21.39 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7792c0d8 |
| 03:22.34 | brlcad | commits plugins/configure.ac |
| 03:22.38 | brlcad | misses CIA-35 |
| 03:23.04 | spldart | does too |
| 03:23.29 | brlcad | Thumper_: one flag for debug, one for optimized .. they each control their respective options (so you can mix them as you need) |
| 03:23.35 | Thumper_ | throws his puts his configure.ac change aside and updates to see what brlcad did |
| 03:23.45 | brlcad | I just added -g :) |
| 03:25.12 | spldart | webadmin.cpp:110: error: 'bz_getPlayerCallSign' was not declared in this scope |
| 03:27.23 | Thumper_ | is there any way to speed up the autogeh.sh and configure step? zzzzzzzz |
| 03:27.30 | Thumper_ | autogen.sh* |
| 03:27.34 | spldart | lol |
| 03:28.22 | brlcad | Thumper_: heh, sure .. |
| 03:28.23 | Thumper_ | (that now feels like the slowest part of my compile :) |
| 03:28.25 | brlcad | buy a faster machine ;) |
| 03:28.40 | Thumper_ | just did... |
| 03:28.45 | Thumper_ | which is why it now stands out more :) |
| 03:28.59 | brlcad | configure can be made faster, find unnecessary tests and eliminate them |
| 03:29.14 | brlcad | autogen.sh's time is closely tied to the complexity of configure |
| 03:29.28 | brlcad | and the number of Makefile.am files |
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| 03:36.02 | Thumper_ | brlcad: thx that works |
| 03:36.33 | Thumper_ | spldart: webadmin build fixed |
| 03:36.49 | brlcad | should commit his versioning changes before he forgets that he did them (weeks ago) |
| 03:37.40 | Thumper_ | \o/ finally debugging plugins (really) works |
| 03:38.04 | spldart | is still retesting linux debug test... Not goin to test windows debug build tonight ;-) |
| 03:39.11 | spldart | Power keeps blinking over here |
| 03:41.07 | Thumper_ | has a timing problem |
| 03:41.17 | temp_dist | 1 2 3 |
| 03:41.23 | Thumper_ | goes to check on the roast in the slow cooker that's going to be finished it's 10 hour cycle... at 3AM |
| 03:41.31 | spldart | still having webadmin build problems |
| 03:41.36 | Thumper_ | svn up |
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| 03:42.14 | spldart | curses the slow build |
| 03:42.36 | spldart | But yeah.. I'm fixed |
| 03:42.46 | spldart | That sounded wrong |
| 03:51.02 | brlcad | a curses interface to the build? that could be interesting |
| 03:51.37 | spldart | punny |
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| 04:29.31 | Thumper_ | spldart: your teleporters on war towers seem to go nowhere |
| 04:31.17 | Viza | hey Thumper |
| 04:33.26 | spldart | umm... that map has worked for over a year :confused: |
| 04:33.34 | spldart | who broke teleporters |
| 04:33.55 | Thumper_ | do the teleporters have Name entries? |
| 04:33.57 | blast007 | I noticed something like that with a map on my server as well.. |
| 04:34.09 | Thumper_ | JeffM changed the way names behave on teleporters |
| 04:34.13 | blast007 | ah |
| 04:34.20 | Thumper_ | if you're using old style links then just delete the Name entries |
| 04:34.25 | blast007 | though the ones on the map I'm running aren't using names |
| 04:34.28 | blast007 | so should that matter? |
| 04:34.33 | blast007 | the links, that is |
| 04:34.37 | blast007 | the teleporter objects are |
| 04:34.42 | Thumper_ | it matters if hte name entries are broken like foxburrow was :) |
| 04:34.53 | blast007 | guess I'll try that |
| 04:34.56 | Thumper_ | if a name is specified the links use the names... and if the names are just wrong it breaks |
| 04:35.08 | Thumper_ | just deleting the names from the teleporter stanzas is the quickest fix |
| 04:35.46 | blast007 | the names in this map aren't really valid anyway |
| 04:35.53 | Thumper_ | so just lose em :) |
| 04:35.54 | blast007 | they're just "Teleporter" and "Teleporter Copy" etc |
| 04:36.09 | Thumper_ | yeah that's what I had |
| 04:36.16 | Thumper_ | in foxburrow when it stopped working |
| 04:36.33 | Thumper_ | that name wasn't used before jeff made the change that makes them more consistent... |
| 04:37.06 | blast007 | k |
| 04:37.51 | Thumper_ | wonders where his "j"'s went in the trunk client |
| 04:38.41 | Thumper_ | Thumper: oining as a tank from 1.2.3.4 just looks wrong :) |
| 04:38.48 | blast007 | yay, it works |
| 04:46.31 | spldart | poop |
| 04:46.49 | spldart | so there isn't compatibility of 2.0 maps to the trunk code? |
| 04:47.43 | blast007 | spldart: this was 2.0.x |
| 04:47.49 | blast007 | (as well) |
| 04:48.05 | Thumper_ | it changed in branch too |
| 04:48.22 | blast007 | are the bzw docs wrong then? |
| 04:48.26 | Thumper_ | sometime in 2.0.11 |
| 04:48.30 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.30 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.30 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.48 | Thumper_ | i think it's still right |
| 04:48.55 | Thumper_ | there are 2 places to specify the name |
| 04:49.01 | blast007 | then why did the name tag screw up linking? |
| 04:49.05 | Thumper_ | and if you don't specify one they just get numbered 0,1,2,3,.. |
| 04:49.28 | Thumper_ | the name example_teleporter now overrides the teleporter [name] |
| 04:49.30 | Thumper_ | it was ignored before |
| 04:49.35 | blast007 | :/ |
| 04:49.44 | blast007 | so the docs are wrong then :) |
| 04:49.53 | blast007 | it should say that either are used for linking |
| 04:50.03 | Thumper_ | ah /me didn't read the [ ] around 'name' |
| 04:50.24 | blast007 | however, I'd think that numbered links should still work, even if a name *is* specified |
| 04:50.32 | Thumper_ | so yeah JeffM broke it when he made it more consistent with all other objects :) |
| 04:50.35 | blast007 | the map I was having issues with didn't use names link the links. it used numbers |
| 04:50.46 | Thumper_ | the default (with no names) is you just get numbers |
| 04:50.56 | blast007 | well, in effect, he probably broke every single map created with BZEdit |
| 04:51.12 | Thumper_ | that's how foxburrow was too - just used numbers since originally the name line was ignored |
| 04:51.21 | Thumper_ | and no name was specified on the teleporter line |
| 04:51.25 | blast007 | I think the new way is wrong |
| 04:51.29 | blast007 | numbered should still work |
| 04:52.05 | Thumper_ | could be |
| 04:52.23 | Thumper_ | it breaks backwards compatibility for some maps (as we found out) |
| 04:52.29 | Thumper_ | and it's part of 2.0.12 now :/ |
| 04:52.36 | blast007 | probably *lots* of maps |
| 04:52.49 | blast007 | since BZEdit creates a 'name blah' tag |
| 04:52.54 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 04:53.13 | blast007 | and usually people don't change those, so it's stuff like "Teleporter" and "Teleporter Copy" |
| 04:53.51 | blast007 | 2.0.14 "Stupid Teleporters!" |
| 04:53.58 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 04:54.30 | Thumper_ | 2.0.14 "Beam me up Scotty!" |
| 04:54.45 | blast007 | 2.0.14 "Last one, we swear!" |
| 05:00.24 | spldart | ok.. branch changed? |
| 05:00.31 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 05:01.27 | spldart | branch changed compatibility with the maps it hosted? That's just wrong |
| 05:01.31 | spldart | very wrong |
| 05:01.45 | spldart | goes to shut off his server |
| 05:03.18 | spldart | shame too... 55 days uptime and counting |
| 05:05.08 | Thumper_ | plugs spldart in..... dzzzrrrsstsSTTTS! (sparks fly) |
| 05:05.09 | Thumper_ | oops |
| 05:06.05 | short_circuit | :-p |
| 05:06.36 | BulletCatcher | Thumper_: The invisible "j" problem is mentioned in the BUGS file. Search for "Vera". |
| 05:06.41 | short_circuit | is preparing for his next 'computer built into a nightstand' project |
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| 05:07.06 | blast007 | short_circuit: computer built into a waffle iron! |
| 05:07.19 | Thumper_ | BulletCatcher: thanks. |
| 05:07.25 | short_circuit | Nay! Tiz not manly enough |
| 05:07.51 | Lukstr | I still like the computer built into a whiskey bottle mod |
| 05:07.56 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:08.16 | Lukstr | http://www.techgadgetforums.com/files/whisky_bottle_pc_2.jpg |
| 05:08.26 | short_circuit | has a PCchips M825 with barton xp 2500+ and Radeon 9000 with tv out, ralink wireless card and some extra hdd's to start with |
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| 05:13.00 | blast007 | I have a little KVM that I've been toying with the thought of building a computer into |
| 05:13.04 | blast007 | http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Belkin-Omniview-PS2-F1D064 |
| 05:13.25 | Lukstr | that's frightening |
| 05:13.43 | Lukstr | why not build a 2-in-1-case PC and integrate the kvm |
| 05:13.58 | blast007 | the KVM part doesn't work afaik |
| 05:14.02 | Lukstr | hah |
| 05:14.14 | Lukstr | in that case, I like your plan better |
| 05:14.14 | blast007 | I got it from a trash pile :P |
| 05:15.30 | blast007 | but I could probably wire up the front power button and the two selector buttons to the mobo |
| 05:15.40 | blast007 | as well as the lights on the front (there's 4) |
| 05:15.52 | blast007 | just a matter of finding out which pin goes where :) |
| 05:16.37 | short_circuit | fun stuff |
| 05:17.11 | blast007 | main issue is that the power button is a hard switch |
| 05:20.00 | short_circuit | as in a latch on and latch off mechanism? |
| 05:22.11 | short_circuit | If so you can dismantle it and usually you will find a small bit of metal.. in the shape of a U perhaps that once removed makes the swtich momentary instead |
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| 14:33.38 | Wyk3d | i might be missing something but recvfrom in udpReceive is nonblocking and it doesn't handle cases when the entire packet is not sent all at once ? .. i.e it just drops it ? |
| 14:35.34 | brad | whodaman: ? |
| 14:40.48 | Wyk3d | oh wait .. unlike tcp, udp packets are sent in one piece or not at all ? |
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| 14:52.11 | whodaman | brad,nevermind |
| 14:54.07 | brad | k :-) |
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| 20:47.33 | KingofCamelot | blast007, ping |
| 20:57.32 | KingofCamelot | Any mentors around? |
| 21:07.32 | KingofCamelot | None? Heh |
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| 21:23.39 | Winny | KingofCamelot, try pinging them :) |
| 21:25.59 | blast007 | KingofCamelot: sup? |
| 21:32.06 | KingofCamelot | Just giving you mentors a heads up. I'm going to have to play it by ear the next few days. Just moved into a new place on Tuesday, and now there's a wild fire a few miles away that's looking like we may get evacuated in the next few days. |
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| 21:32.26 | Winny | not a very wise choice of residence ;) |
| 21:32.29 | KingofCamelot | And the power got knocked out for a few hours last night, so I'm not sure how much work I'll be getting done the next few days. |
| 21:32.35 | KingofCamelot | Depends on how things go. |
| 21:32.41 | KingofCamelot | @Winny, heh, indeed. :P |
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| 21:33.55 | KingofCamelot | Looks cool at night though...until you realize that there's 2400 acres burning only about 3 miles away from you. :P |
| 21:35.01 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:36.51 | KingofCamelot | And while trying to find somewhere to buy a flashlight last night my car got rear-ended by some chick who was watching the fire and not the road, heh. |
| 21:37.17 | Winny | nice |
| 21:49.32 | Lukstr | I guess it's not really smore material, eh? |
| 21:50.14 | Winny | Lukstr: he could toss you in to find out :) |
| 21:50.32 | KingofCamelot | :P |
| 21:51.16 | Constitution | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376003,00.html |
| 21:51.22 | Constitution | oops sorry, wrong window |
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| 22:02.16 | Paul_PL | hello all |
| 22:02.56 | whodaman | Hi Paul_PL |
| 22:05.55 | Lukstr | howdy |
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| 22:19.13 | bugQ | what characters does phpBB allow for usernames? |
| 22:19.45 | bugQ | or, what chars consist valid callsigns |
| 22:20.10 | whodaman | good quetion |
| 22:20.22 | whodaman | question* |
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| 23:05.06 | bugQ | sweet. all valid in urls/html |
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