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| 00:18.45 | spldart | End of cheater? |
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| 01:30.38 | Flash | does anyone know how to create a footnoote in wiki? |
| 01:43.26 | spldart | This? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footnotes |
| 01:43.44 | spldart | What now.. bzflag's wiki? |
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| 02:10.30 | JeffM | Constitution, I've thought of another way to test your collision code when its' done. we can use it for server side bots only. and see if they die in a reasonable manner |
| 02:11.27 | short_circuit | ah : |
| 02:11.30 | Constitution | ah, good idea |
| 02:11.31 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18136 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): do more physics and bad collisions on server side players. |
| 02:13.18 | JeffM | then we part a client and bot next to each other,take potshots and see if they look the same :) |
| 02:14.26 | short_circuit | park |
| 02:14.41 | short_circuit | hrm |
| 02:14.47 | short_circuit | gotta boot a rig |
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| 02:22.35 | Flash | short_circuit: looks like our wiki doesn't support those footnote primitives |
| 02:24.49 | short_circuit | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m31352d0b |
| 02:24.54 | short_circuit | err |
| 02:24.58 | short_circuit | unrelated |
| 02:25.02 | short_circuit | build issues |
| 02:26.03 | Flash | unused parameters are syntactic sugar; should never be treated as errors except by the most pedantic ;-) |
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| 02:28.03 | short_circuit | debug build as always |
| 02:28.15 | short_circuit | Making sure everything is clean |
| 02:28.25 | short_circuit | May have to get creative on the footnotes hehe |
| 02:28.28 | Flash | I guess the Mac version of debug doesn't have that setting, because I never see those |
| 02:28.43 | short_circuit | are you enabling debug? |
| 02:28.45 | Flash | yes |
| 02:28.47 | Flash | always |
| 02:28.48 | short_circuit | hrm |
| 02:28.51 | short_circuit | intersting |
| 02:29.17 | short_circuit | I don't know mac but thought it was more link linux than windows by a long shot |
| 02:29.42 | Flash | I'm sure it is; they are both unices at heart |
| 02:29.48 | short_circuit | Anywho.. that was configure --enable-debug |
| 02:29.50 | Flash | eunuchs |
| 02:29.57 | short_circuit | mmmmMMMMMMmmmmm unix |
| 02:30.22 | Flash | You do know that the name "unix" was derived from "castrated multics" by the original AT&T developers |
| 02:30.32 | short_circuit | ... For I have seen the light and the light has set me free! |
| 02:31.02 | short_circuit | No.. I know of most of the split off by linux from unix but didn't know that. |
| 02:31.36 | short_circuit | Not that I care more than just having a viable alternative from microsquash |
| 02:32.03 | short_circuit | My work PC is linux 99.99 % of the time |
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| 02:32.54 | Flash | PC actually has little to no meaning any more |
| 02:33.08 | short_circuit | Right?! |
| 02:33.11 | Flash | but JeffM is back so you can let him fix it |
| 02:33.15 | JeffM | not all computers are personal ;) |
| 02:33.46 | short_circuit | is just a lowly tester, hoster, server and tinker |
| 02:33.46 | Flash | JeffM: bzfsAPI.cxx unused parameters line 2795 |
| 02:33.51 | JeffM | so fix it |
| 02:33.54 | short_circuit | ...tenor , scholar, spy |
| 02:34.02 | short_circuit | LOL |
| 02:37.59 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18137 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: unused vars ( for now ) |
| 02:38.01 | JeffM | wow you guys are slow |
| 02:41.05 | JeffM | short_circuit, all you do is comment out the unused var names |
| 02:41.28 | short_circuit | k |
| 02:41.42 | short_circuit | ...Mental note..... |
| 02:42.36 | short_circuit | But is that always the appropriate action? |
| 02:42.43 | JeffM | yes |
| 02:42.48 | short_circuit | ok |
| 02:42.49 | JeffM | since it's unused |
| 02:43.00 | JeffM | unused means unused :) |
| 02:43.03 | short_circuit | Well.. |
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| 02:43.32 | short_circuit | There seems to be logically more than one reason it may be unused. But Maybe I'm oversimplifying the error. |
| 02:43.58 | short_circuit | Anywho |
| 02:43.59 | short_circuit | noted |
| 02:44.14 | JeffM | dosn't matter, if it's unused, you can't hurt anything by commenting it out ;) |
| 02:44.22 | short_circuit | True. |
| 02:44.39 | short_circuit | Someone can always come in and uncomment and fix |
| 02:45.05 | JeffM | yeah when the developer finishes the code, they will ucomment it and use it |
| 02:45.17 | short_circuit | Grr.. |
| 02:45.31 | short_circuit | needs to reapply his mem tweaks on the linux boxen |
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| 02:48.56 | JeffM | or buy a new system ;) |
| 02:49.26 | JeffM | just FYI, I recently priced a Dell quad core with 3 gigs of ram, 569$ with OS |
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| 02:49.49 | short_circuit | grrrrrrr |
| 02:50.23 | short_circuit | This Sony Bravia for a monitor and some other compy cards for upgrades have my |
| 02:50.29 | short_circuit | 'fun' budget |
| 02:50.32 | short_circuit | at a standstill. |
| 02:50.59 | JeffM | sell one of those kids |
| 02:51.00 | short_circuit | sry.... typing from floor on the desk cuz i have several other rigs that are requiring my attention. |
| 02:51.02 | JeffM | you have a bunch |
| 02:51.08 | short_circuit | I do :/ |
| 02:51.15 | short_circuit | I recently did |
| 02:51.29 | short_circuit | To a guy I thought I could trust..... You can guess the rest. |
| 02:51.51 | short_circuit | P4 400 fsb 1/2 gig complete system. |
| 02:52.04 | short_circuit | err |
| 02:52.05 | JeffM | I meant your meat kids ;) |
| 02:52.11 | short_circuit | I thought yo meant compies |
| 02:52.13 | short_circuit | hehehehhehe |
| 02:52.19 | short_circuit | LOL |
| 02:52.30 | short_circuit | Flesh and blood = nhonononononon |
| 02:52.45 | short_circuit | :) |
| 02:53.29 | JeffM | aww.. the deal ended, it's up to 679 :( |
| 02:53.36 | short_circuit | Well. I'm happy with a 40" lcd monitor for now |
| 02:53.53 | short_circuit | And the projector.. Even though it's antiquted it is a commercial model |
| 02:54.11 | short_circuit | Which means I can put the superbowl on the side of my neighbors house ;) |
| 02:54.37 | JeffM | heh, better then what I have |
| 02:54.45 | JeffM | homeward bounds |
| 02:54.51 | short_circuit | Safe commute |
| 02:55.53 | short_circuit | refreshes the 'hurricane dolly' radar loop. |
| 02:55.59 | short_circuit | Might be an intesting night. |
| 03:06.21 | TimRikerOLS | hmm.. debian bug report notes that the fonts are not free. We should switch to DejaVu or similar. |
| 03:07.31 | TimRikerOLS | means just vera... |
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| 03:40.00 | bugQ | no commit, but progress has been made |
| 03:40.08 | bugQ | now, though, sleep is imperative |
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| 04:00.37 | short_circuit | Oh really |
| 04:00.42 | short_circuit | said after the fact |
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| 11:59.39 | roboter5a | hi, what's the name of the libcurl package which is needed to compile bzflag 2.0.12? |
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| 15:12.20 | BulletCatcher | roboter5a: Distros have different names for development packages. On Fedora it would be curl-devel . |
| 15:31.25 | roboter5a | hm, okay |
| 15:34.29 | blast007 | libcurl3-dev on debian |
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| 15:50.07 | BulletCatcher | blast007: I am making notes for the README file. What is the name of the SDL development package (providing GL/gl.h and GL/glu.h) on Debian? |
| 15:51.41 | BulletCatcher | (that would be the opengl package, actually) |
| 15:52.32 | BulletCatcher | I also need the name of the SDL development package. |
| 15:54.16 | Blizzard- | Birdie: Ping |
| 15:58.09 | Thumper_ | we're sorry your 180 seconds to respond have expired. |
| 15:59.02 | Wyk3d | BulletCatcher: libsdl1.2-dev and libgl1-mesa-dev/libglu1-mesa-dev .. on ubuntu but that's debian based afaik |
| 15:59.31 | BulletCatcher | thanks |
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| 17:04.24 | tj13820 | i'm trying to compile BZflag 3.0 in ubuntu for BZFS. it is asking for FreeType2, what package is it in? |
| 17:07.40 | spldart | You mean 2.99? |
| 17:07.42 | JeffM | the freetype2 dev package |
| 17:08.10 | tj13820 | all i see is libfreetype6-dev |
| 17:08.17 | tj13820 | which is version 2.6 |
| 17:08.22 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:08.24 | tj13820 | okay |
| 17:08.31 | tj13820 | do i have to re-do autogen? |
| 17:08.45 | JeffM | no |
| 17:13.16 | BulletCatcher | If you just need the server (bzfs) and not the client you can use the --disable-client option to ./configure to avoid the freetype requirement. |
| 17:14.23 | spldart | Man. Etch is way back @ 2.2.1-5 |
| 17:15.15 | tj13820 | i got it. autogen fixed it for some reason |
| 17:16.29 | Viza | etch? what's the surprise? :p |
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| 17:18.11 | BulletCatcher | According to http://freetype.sourceforge.net/index2.html the latest FreeType version is 2.3.7. 2.3.6 included security fixes, but we only have 2.3.4 in trunk. |
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| 17:21.48 | SilverFox | sup? |
| 17:22.11 | blast007 | hello |
| 17:22.59 | think_tank | prepares for "*** SilverFox has quit IRC" |
| 17:23.11 | SilverFox | why is that? |
| 17:23.46 | think_tank | blast has a tendency to scare away the folk who come on and say "hello". |
| 17:24.02 | SilverFox | I see. |
| 17:24.06 | think_tank | aka "sup" |
| 17:24.36 | think_tank | we admire him for that particular ability |
| 17:25.37 | spldart | I know i know. I started using etch like 6 to 8 months before it released. I need to start experimenting with Lenny soon. |
| 17:26.17 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18138 10/trunk/bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): |
| 17:26.17 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: add a server side version of hitBuilding to WorldInfo |
| 17:26.17 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: consolidate common collision callbacks into the collision manager from the client side world. |
| 17:29.28 | Blizzard- | brad: ping |
| 17:29.50 | SilverFox | has quit IRC |
| 17:30.55 | think_tank | thats only one *, not three * |
| 17:31.14 | SilverFox | you're smarter than you look. |
| 17:31.35 | think_tank | Blizzard-> send him a PM if you need a group add |
| 17:31.56 | Blizzard- | think_tank: thanks |
| 17:35.58 | SilverFox | so... what's new in bzflag land? |
| 17:36.11 | JeffM | SCIENCE! |
| 17:36.27 | SilverFox | oh really? |
| 17:36.31 | JeffM | always |
| 17:36.46 | SilverFox | I see you're still making commits. That's great. |
| 17:37.09 | JeffM | lies! |
| 17:37.53 | SilverFox | its not great, or you're not making changes/improvements? |
| 17:38.28 | blast007 | the cake is a lie |
| 17:38.53 | SilverFox | you're a nutty bunch. I'm gonna go get lunch. |
| 17:39.01 | pacman87 | JeffM is committing cake? i didn't know svn supported that filetype |
| 17:39.36 | SilverFox | cake is a metaphor for style of code. |
| 17:39.38 | SilverFox | fluffy. |
| 17:39.40 | SilverFox | and moist. |
| 17:39.51 | SilverFox | Just like its author. |
| 17:40.03 | JeffM | you need to play more video games |
| 17:40.07 | spldart | o_O |
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| 18:17.31 | menotume | SilverFox, hmm, sounds somewhat familiar |
| 18:17.40 | menotume | :P |
| 18:18.12 | SilverFox | hello meno! |
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| 18:23.03 | Manu | hi SilverFox, long time no see :) |
| 18:25.50 | SilverFox | ya, indeed. |
| 18:26.02 | SilverFox | Life has been busy/hectic. |
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| 18:37.09 | spldart | Hello bugQ |
| 18:37.24 | bugQ | hi. |
| 18:37.53 | spldart | Do you have some time. We really need to speak. we = several mentors. |
| 18:37.58 | bugQ | ok. |
| 18:39.09 | Thumper_ | hi bugQ |
| 18:39.10 | spldart | Some questions have been raised about your testing process and the direction your goin with your work |
| 18:39.26 | spldart | Also about your blog entries being quite vague. |
| 18:39.55 | Thumper_ | it would help (me) alot if you could post what you plan to do in the next day or two in your posts so we can follow your train of thought |
| 18:40.03 | spldart | One issue about the blog is it would be nice for you to elaborate further on the spefics of how your proceeding |
| 18:40.05 | Thumper_ | it seems to me most of the posts are 'this is what I did in the past 24 hours' |
| 18:40.13 | spldart | right |
| 18:40.18 | Thumper_ | but doesn't really indicate what your next steps are |
| 18:40.18 | bugQ | I see |
| 18:40.37 | spldart | We were also curious in your elaborating on how your testing what your doing right now. |
| 18:40.42 | Thumper_ | in some cases we can redirect your efforts a bit so you don't spend time on something that isn't all that useful |
| 18:41.01 | spldart | And more specifically about your immeadiate future tests. |
| 18:41.03 | Thumper_ | (like researching PUT/DELETE stuff awhile back - JeffM did all that about a week before you and we could have saved you all that time) |
| 18:41.12 | bugQ | right. |
| 18:42.11 | Thumper_ | if you post daily then just a blurb about what you plan to do in the next day or two is all I'm looking for. If you change direction during the day just follow up with another post - I check your blog regularly |
| 18:42.30 | bugQ | all right |
| 18:42.32 | spldart | Me too. |
| 18:42.34 | Thumper_ | s/check/read/ |
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| 18:42.59 | Thumper_ | so you'll be testing - a short list of what you're testing would help alot :) |
| 18:43.05 | spldart | Can you elaborate one what your testing process is right now with your project? |
| 18:44.21 | MPS_ | who to tell to report a game? |
| 18:44.57 | spldart | bugQ: Are you able to focus on this discussion right now? I'm not getting much feedback from you. |
| 18:45.12 | bugQ | well, right now, I'm browsing the pages that my plugin serves and checking the source code against what I expect the templates to produce |
| 18:45.45 | bugQ | after that's working fine, I'll focus on functionality |
| 18:45.52 | spldart | And how is that goin |
| 18:45.59 | spldart | Ah.. |
| 18:46.13 | bugQ | lots of bugs so far :) |
| 18:46.21 | spldart | When do you think you will have something that can actually be functioning.. and testable |
| 18:46.24 | MPS_ | brad: ping |
| 18:46.45 | bugQ | testable in what sense? |
| 18:47.02 | Thumper_ | bugQ: if you run into a bug that you can't fix immediately maybe you want to make a buglist somewhere (maybe jsut a BUGS file in your webadmin plugin dir) so we can see what the issues are |
| 18:47.14 | bugQ | ah, ok |
| 18:47.35 | spldart | Well.. How about how much of the plugin's output is getting successfully read by your source code now? |
| 18:47.36 | Thumper_ | that way we'll see you identify issues, (assuming you commit the file :) and when you resolve it |
| 18:47.48 | Thumper_ | that'll help us see what it is you're done |
| 18:47.52 | Thumper_ | s/done/doing/ |
| 18:48.40 | spldart | A BUGS file would be great :) |
| 18:48.52 | bugQ | spldart: it's hard to tell, because I'm also having issues with keeping a session |
| 18:49.02 | Thumper_ | right now I don't have a feel for what issues you're facing |
| 18:49.09 | spldart | Ah |
| 18:49.25 | spldart | Who have you come to with the session problem? |
| 18:49.35 | Thumper_ | and if you are having session problems it may not be something you need to be fixing (say it's in the HTTPServer stuff and we can help get that working better) |
| 18:49.39 | spldart | Several of the mentor's could be a great help on that issue. |
| 18:49.44 | bugQ | k. |
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| 18:53.05 | spldart | What's goin on with the session? timeout, error, gone for pizza? |
| 18:53.45 | bugQ | it seems like the browser never gets a cookie. |
| 18:54.05 | spldart | And it ends with that? |
| 18:55.05 | spldart | Have you spoken with Jeff on that cookie issue? |
| 18:55.05 | bugQ | well, after I authenticate, I can get the main page, but if I refresh or go to another page, I'm no longer authenticated. |
| 18:55.19 | bugQ | no, I found it recently |
| 18:55.36 | bugQ | but that was my plan |
| 18:55.44 | spldart | wait.. Your do get authenticated. |
| 18:55.45 | Thumper_ | bugQ: that's the kind of thing I would just put point-form in a BUGS file and make it visible by committing it |
| 18:55.50 | spldart | s/your/you |
| 18:56.14 | Thumper_ | then if it's an issue someone else can fix they'll take care of it and you wont' have to spend a long time fighting with it |
| 18:56.44 | bugQ | oh, does HTTPServer even deal with sessions? |
| 18:56.45 | Thumper_ | of course if you can find and fix it in a reasonable amount of time then great! :) |
| 18:56.53 | bugQ | if not, it's my problem, not his |
| 18:57.00 | Thumper_ | I think it's supposed to but I'm not sure it works or not |
| 18:57.08 | bugQ | k. |
| 18:57.14 | Thumper_ | there should be a test pluging we can verify that with |
| 18:57.20 | Thumper_ | plugin* |
| 18:57.42 | spldart | In general I guess I expected to be in the, most of the hooking into session is done and we are chasing bugs from what jeffm ended up adding into code for bzfs and what your currently doing in setting up the htm to read that stream of data from bzfs plugin |
| 18:58.26 | spldart | Sry |
| 18:58.29 | spldart | run on sentence |
| 18:58.52 | spldart | code for plugin for bzfs |
| 18:59.03 | spldart | and missing punctuation |
| 18:59.25 | spldart | Getting a little ADD on yah :) |
| 18:59.53 | Thumper_ | just write it again spldart - it'll be faster than us trying to figure it out :) |
| 19:00.08 | bugQ | ya, one more time? |
| 19:01.08 | spldart | I expected what jeffm wrote that communicates to the web stuff your writing to be in a partially operating state right now that can be built and tested by anyone. That chasing bugs and getting incomplete features finished is where we would be now. |
| 19:01.33 | bugQ | ah, yes |
| 19:01.35 | spldart | We are getting very close to the end of this GSoC |
| 19:02.04 | spldart | And I'm concerned with what has been done not getting to a point where it's viable and continuing on. |
| 19:04.15 | bugQ | i get it now! that point is soon. progress just isn't very visible yet. |
| 19:06.07 | Thumper_ | What I think we'd like to see is what you're working on and what you will be working on in the next 24-48 hours. Using a BUGS or TODO.txt file committed as you update it would help make that much more visible |
| 19:06.30 | bugQ | ok. |
| 19:06.45 | Thumper_ | that way if you write something like ' - sessions seem to be broken' we might call on you with suggestions to help figure out if it's your stuff or other stuff |
| 19:06.57 | Thumper_ | and help fix it if you've stuck on it |
| 19:07.39 | Thumper_ | I'm not looking for a "here's the TODO list from today through the end of time" - I'd just like to see what you have for today and tomorrow |
| 19:07.54 | Thumper_ | and tomorrow you can add more stuff that puts you at Friday etc |
| 19:08.09 | Thumper_ | we can follow where you are much easier that way |
| 19:08.37 | bugQ | k. |
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| 19:13.10 | bugQ | oh yeah, it might help to see what issues there are by trying it out: http://89.149.202.167:8472/ |
| 19:14.05 | Thumper_ | I'm running a daily build including it at http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/ too |
| 19:14.23 | Thumper_ | but that doesn't tell us what _your_ issues are currently |
| 19:14.36 | bugQ | yes, I'm documenting them now |
| 19:14.39 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 19:25.10 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r18139 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/ (BUGS templates/header.tmpl): |
| 19:25.10 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: removed redundant slash in nav links |
| 19:25.10 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: added BUGS for webadmin |
| 19:25.28 | bugQ | that's everything that's visible so far |
| 19:27.01 | blast007 | bugQ: did you notice the changes that I made in the last day or two? |
| 19:27.19 | Thumper_ | bugQ: thx. a short blurb on your blog about what you are planning in the next 24-48 hours would be helpful too I think |
| 19:27.42 | bugQ | blast007: uh, no |
| 19:28.07 | blast007 | I fixed your loops in the templates, for one thing |
| 19:28.31 | blast007 | you hadn't included an [*EMTPY Blah] section, so that was causing issues |
| 19:28.43 | bugQ | ah. thanks. |
| 19:29.34 | blast007 | you apparently have not updated either, since I fixed the issue with it ending at the <ul> |
| 19:29.43 | blast007 | (that was the lack of the [*EMTPY Blah] part) |
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| 19:30.13 | blast007 | you also had ! instead of * for the server variables loop, and hadn't included all of the C++ code to get that working, so I got that going as well |
| 19:30.41 | bugQ | ok then. |
| 19:31.05 | blast007 | Jeff also fixed an issue with sending the data to the browser. It was sending too much due to some broken logic, which made it output garbage in certain cases. |
| 19:31.59 | blast007 | overall, I was not impressed with the fact that it was in such a broken state, and yet you were not commenting on that or asking for our help. |
| 19:32.28 | bugQ | I had not noticed those problems because I hadn't tested most of it |
| 19:32.42 | blast007 | s/most/any/ ? ;) |
| 19:34.06 | blast007 | but anyway, I just want to remind you (and any GSoC student) that we are here to help you, so *please* ask us if you have questions, issues, etc |
| 19:34.31 | blast007 | struggling for days on an issue is not acceptable |
| 19:34.43 | bugQ | ok. |
| 19:35.32 | blast007 | it would even be nice if you would just talk every now and then and say what you are currently working on |
| 19:35.44 | blast007 | gives us an idea of the progress you are making in real-time |
| 19:45.45 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18140 10/branches/gsoc_server_listing/src/bzflag/ (6 files): |
| 19:45.45 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: support a true callback list for NavQueues instead of just one callback. refactor some. don't forget to remove callbacks you install. |
| 19:45.45 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: also fix a nasty bug wrt page up/page down in FormatMenu. |
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| 19:47.06 | Erroneous | KingofCamelot: don't forget to svn up ;) |
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| 19:55.46 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18142 10/branches/gsoc_server_listing/src/bzflag/HUDNavigationQueue.cxx: best to be safe |
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| 20:09.09 | JeffM | bugQ, why so you not want to work with us? |
| 20:09.26 | bugQ | ? |
| 20:09.39 | blast007 | do* |
| 20:09.55 | JeffM | you don't test, you don't work out issues with us, we have to drag info out of you... what's the deal? |
| 20:11.00 | bugQ | I can't really say |
| 20:11.17 | JeffM | I need you to be a lot more forthcoming with info |
| 20:11.29 | JeffM | and work a LOT closer with everyone |
| 20:11.51 | JeffM | there are people here who will GLADLY help you work out any problems |
| 20:12.22 | bugQ | all right. |
| 20:13.24 | JeffM | blast007 , spldart ,and Thumper_ are prety much there for you :) so let them help you :) |
| 20:14.05 | JeffM | I'll be a little less available for your stuff as I need to spend more time working with Constitution, but I'll answer any questions that are posed to me |
| 20:14.18 | JeffM | now I hear there are problems with sessions? |
| 20:14.33 | bugQ | ya, I'm not getting a cookie |
| 20:14.34 | JeffM | I belive HTTP test does sessions now, is it working in that? |
| 20:15.11 | JeffM | pokes code |
| 20:16.10 | JeffM | Constitution, you'll want to merge that last change I did to trunk into your branch. it adds some collision code to the server, so that it can track tanks hitting the world. |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM | blast007, do you have a running version of webreport? |
| 20:21.09 | Thumper_ | JeffM: does this help: http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/ it has webreport loaded and there are reports (plugin doesn't see the reports though) |
| 20:21.24 | Thumper_ | /viewreports from the client works |
| 20:22.05 | JeffM | k |
| 20:22.06 | spldart | bugQ Please list all templates required to make the plugin your working on function as much as is possible. |
| 20:22.08 | JeffM | that does help |
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| 20:23.26 | bugQ | spldart: ? |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM | wtf... it's returning a 404!? |
| 20:24.00 | spldart | The templates. which ones out of which directories are required to get the plugin working for bzfs |
| 20:24.04 | tj13820 | i'm getting an error for 3.0 that no Open GL rendere is available, is there a package that i need to install or is it an opensource problem? |
| 20:25.22 | JeffM | tj13820, did you install the C++ compiler? |
| 20:25.32 | bugQ | spldart: I don't know if I understand...the plugin can function with only the header and main templates |
| 20:25.35 | spldart | I'm not running my instance of bzfs on the same machine as I'm doin the build on. So. Which templates must I upload to my server through scp to my templates dir in my bzfs dir in order to fulfill the plugins requirements |
| 20:25.41 | tj13820 | JeffM: yes |
| 20:25.53 | JeffM | tj13820, what video card do you have? |
| 20:26.01 | tj13820 | VGA |
| 20:26.12 | JeffM | no what manufacture |
| 20:26.15 | spldart | more specifically tjl3830 |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM | ATI, NVIDIA, or onboard intel |
| 20:26.42 | tj13820 | It's a onboard intel |
| 20:26.49 | JeffM | then install the mesa dev package |
| 20:27.58 | bugQ | spldart: when you -loadplugin, you pass a path to the dir where all of webadmin's templates are |
| 20:28.11 | spldart | IC.. Hrm |
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| 20:28.57 | JeffM | ibot seen epyon |
| 20:29.24 | ibot | epyon <n=Epyon@90-156-93-82.magma-net.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9d 11h 38s ago, saying: 'Lukstr, "If hackers would use virtual reality, it would show a bunch of text terminals floating around" ;]'. |
| 20:29.25 | spldart | I have the webadmin templates uploaded to my bzfs dir on my server but I'm not getting a succesful startup of the plugin. Was wondering if you had any other dependencies outside the webadmin dir. |
| 20:29.37 | Wyk3d | whoa .. |
| 20:29.43 | bugQ | spldart: well, it needs HTTPServer |
| 20:29.53 | JeffM | yeah he's going to fail soon |
| 20:31.21 | spldart | I had guessed that an moved it's templates up into the common templates folder in the server |
| 20:33.49 | spldart | How about webadmin/template found but does not contain bz_load method, error blah blah undefined symbol: bz_Load |
| 20:34.33 | bugQ | -loadplugin path/to/webadmin.so,path/to/templates |
| 20:35.42 | spldart | It's found my stuff like template.so succesfully. |
| 20:36.11 | bugQ | what's template.so? |
| 20:36.12 | JeffM | blast007, what would a reltiive link to reload the current page be? |
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| 20:36.35 | JeffM | hey look.. he lives |
| 20:36.37 | Thumper_ | er template.so is a thinko/typo |
| 20:36.39 | spldart | it's in my -dddd log |
| 20:36.42 | spldart | yeah |
| 20:36.48 | spldart | typo |
| 20:37.07 | Thumper_ | if probably found HTTPServer.so :) |
| 20:37.18 | spldart | lemme try tinkering with how I call the plugin... I know that' prolly the wrong wording... brb |
| 20:37.26 | JeffM | shuld have never rewrote the HTTP server |
| 20:37.36 | Manu | hi Epyon, what about your commits? |
| 20:37.58 | Epyon | Manu, I know, I'm going to be making up now |
| 20:38.04 | JeffM | what happend Epyon ? |
| 20:38.17 | JeffM | you haven't done anything since the 6th? |
| 20:38.39 | Epyon | JeffM, making excuses would probably be just that. One of the reasons was that I literally got stuck with my code. |
| 20:39.04 | bugQ | that sounds unnervingly familiar |
| 20:39.11 | Epyon | However, I did a lot of research, and have finally solved it. |
| 20:39.24 | JeffM | and you didn't think to talk to ANYONE about it? |
| 20:39.51 | JeffM | is less then pleased |
| 20:40.07 | Epyon | I did, to some people that work with planar graphs. As for specialists on road network generation, I don't know any. |
| 20:40.10 | Epyon | I know. |
| 20:40.10 | Manu | Epyon: we want to see daily commits, or at last the a few commits per week, to evaluate your work |
| 20:40.22 | Epyon | Manu, undrestood. |
| 20:40.24 | JeffM | Epyon, gee.. how about US. your mentors. |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM | you know... |
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| 20:40.40 | JeffM | guess we arn't good enough for you to even comunicate with. |
| 20:40.49 | JeffM | 9 days of silence on IRC |
| 20:41.17 | Epyon | So, JeffM, what would you suggest, should I keep th face data while growing the L-system, or should I read it from the generated graph afterwards? |
| 20:41.38 | JeffM | I'd generat the graph afterwords |
| 20:41.45 | JeffM | cus it's uselss in the median |
| 20:41.56 | Epyon | JeffM, intersection tests. |
| 20:41.56 | bugQ | oo, L-systems, fun |
| 20:41.57 | JeffM | the final output is a finished map |
| 20:42.16 | JeffM | ok, so you need it to continue the generation? |
| 20:42.33 | Epyon | intersection tests? Yes. |
| 20:42.39 | JeffM | or can you just generat the sections you need for the intersections on the fly? |
| 20:42.42 | JeffM | when you need to test them? |
| 20:42.46 | Epyon | Unless you want a treelike network |
| 20:42.48 | JeffM | if you need them, then keep them |
| 20:43.05 | JeffM | I would guess that the only drawback is speed/space |
| 20:43.26 | JeffM | and the tool dosn't have to be fast, so if keeping them is simpler then keep them |
| 20:43.29 | Epyon | Well, I evaluated the costs of both, and it seems that a two level graph would be the proper approach. |
| 20:43.35 | spldart | Ok.. Mabye I'm too tired of staring at monitors today and am missing something stupid... Here is a pastebin http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7545e1f7 |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM | define "proper"? |
| 20:43.57 | Epyon | Because reading the faces afterwards is a lot easier than keeping them updated while growing the graph. |
| 20:44.05 | JeffM | that I can see |
| 20:44.14 | JeffM | but what will you do for the intersectiont est? |
| 20:44.16 | JeffM | test? |
| 20:44.21 | bugQ | spldart: that's beyond me, maybe something got screwed up in compilation |
| 20:44.37 | spldart | Hrm |
| 20:44.52 | Epyon | JeffM, that's why the graph will be two level. |
| 20:45.04 | JeffM | ok |
| 20:45.19 | Epyon | Then I will be able to pay the price of doing an intersection test in a given "big" lot. |
| 20:45.20 | Thumper_ | spldart: add a / on the end of the templates param |
| 20:45.35 | Epyon | I drew it up on paper, and it should be fast enough. |
| 20:45.57 | bugQ | Thumper_: I didn't get an error on load for that, just no response via HTTP |
| 20:45.59 | JeffM | Epyon, my point is. even if you think that we don't have the background to answer you with authroy, still ASK US. |
| 20:46.15 | Epyon | Acknowledged. |
| 20:46.21 | JeffM | if you can't explain the coe to us, then the code is useless to us |
| 20:46.25 | JeffM | as how will we maintain it |
| 20:46.31 | spldart | For linux tests I build on Debian etch with .configure --enable-debug nothing special other than that. Pretty much default packages for dependencies. |
| 20:46.43 | spldart | Tried the / Thumper. but still same problem :( |
| 20:46.48 | JeffM | we are not stupid, even tho we may not have your fancy degree, we can still offer general options |
| 20:46.50 | Thumper_ | spldart: duh sorry |
| 20:46.58 | spldart | it's fine :) |
| 20:47.15 | Epyon | JeffM, that sarcasm was undeserved. |
| 20:47.35 | Manu | Epyon: just curiosity, do you use fpc? |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM | 17 days.. yeah deserved. |
| 20:47.37 | Thumper_ | so you built normally (./autogeh.sh && ./configure && make) and the plugin.so you are trying to load is from the current build? |
| 20:48.01 | Epyon | Manu, I've used FPC a lot before. Actually I wrote roguelikes in it. |
| 20:49.08 | spldart | Thumper. Me? Yeah |
| 20:49.23 | Manu | Epyon: I use it actually |
| 20:49.27 | spldart | I'm gonna re compile bottom up though and see if anything changes |
| 20:49.39 | Thumper_ | spldart: yes you - sorry should have directed it at you specifically |
| 20:49.48 | spldart | And if that doesn't help I'm goin hunting for this bz_Load method :devious: |
| 20:50.17 | Thumper_ | spldart: you can rebuild just the plugin - cd plugins/webadmin && make clean && make |
| 20:50.21 | bugQ | maybe stupid question, you're building for the same platform, ya? |
| 20:50.39 | spldart | bugQ: yeppers |
| 20:50.58 | spldart | Both machines are deb etch |
| 20:51.21 | spldart | with almost identical /apt/sources.list 's |
| 20:51.36 | spldart | So the package compliments are prolly near identical if not so |
| 20:51.55 | bugQ | regardless, you'd think it could find bz_Load |
| 20:52.00 | spldart | Right?>! |
| 20:52.10 | spldart | It's being a rascally little rabbit |
| 20:52.35 | JeffM | Thumper_, can you verify this for me. every page after the auth page that webreport sends you is a 404? |
| 20:53.33 | JeffM | bugQ, you never set the return code for your pages |
| 20:53.34 | Thumper_ | JeffM: um I get a page with "There are no reports, sorry" |
| 20:53.39 | JeffM | so they will default to 404 |
| 20:53.45 | bugQ | ah |
| 20:54.00 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.12 | bugQ | gotcha |
| 20:54.13 | JeffM | Thumper_, but I think it's a 404 :) |
| 20:54.18 | Thumper_ | ah |
| 20:54.18 | JeffM | with a custom body :) |
| 20:54.27 | Thumper_ | looks |
| 20:54.30 | JeffM | hence no cookie |
| 20:55.24 | bugQ | oh! |
| 20:56.21 | Thumper_ | JeffM: and I see the 404 return code where? I'm just using firefox on the page (or curl) |
| 20:56.36 | bugQ | JeffM: I wanted to use 303 to redirect and get rid of the token stuff in the url. would that still allow the cookie to go through? |
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| 20:57.12 | JeffM | bugQ, that will only happen on the first page |
| 20:57.15 | JeffM | pages after that won't have it |
| 20:57.17 | JeffM | so who cares |
| 20:57.26 | JeffM | keep it SIMPLE for your first go |
| 20:57.33 | JeffM | then once it actualy works... make it fancy |
| 20:57.37 | JeffM | Thumper_, it'd be in the headers |
| 20:57.51 | bugQ | Thumper_: this might be useful https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3829 |
| 20:58.31 | JeffM | bugQ, a better way to get rid of that would be to have weblogin do it as a post insted of a get, rather then you doing fancy stuff in the plugin |
| 20:59.04 | Thumper_ | bugQ: thx |
| 20:59.36 | JeffM | but setting it to be 200OK will fix your cookie problem |
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| 21:00.39 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r18143 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/webadmin.cpp: correct return codes |
| 21:00.42 | JeffM | Thumper_, are you debugable? |
| 21:00.46 | spldart | Got direct working tjl? |
| 21:00.49 | JeffM | bugQ, did you test that? |
| 21:01.23 | Thumper_ | JeffM: yes I think so |
| 21:01.24 | bugQ | hm. |
| 21:01.29 | Thumper_ | and I see 404 return codes |
| 21:02.33 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18144 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webReport/webReport.cpp: be sure to return a page type not a 404 when we are authed. |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM | Thumper_, get latest, rebuild webreport and set a breakpoint in BZF_API bz_APIStringList *bz_getReports(void) in bzfsAPI.h |
| 21:03.00 | JeffM | see if it finds the file |
| 21:03.15 | JeffM | basilcy does it go into the if(ifs.fail()) |
| 21:03.15 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.39 | JeffM | bugQ, did you run it, that's all I want to know |
| 21:03.56 | bugQ | no, and there's a typo -.- |
| 21:04.04 | JeffM | TEST YOUR STUFF |
| 21:04.09 | JeffM | at least freaking compile it |
| 21:04.11 | JeffM | comeon |
| 21:04.18 | bugQ | yessir |
| 21:05.37 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r18145 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/webadmin.cpp: errorfix |
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| 21:06.08 | JeffM | did it compile? |
| 21:06.23 | bugQ | ya. |
| 21:06.29 | JeffM | did you run it? |
| 21:06.39 | bugQ | ya, now I get a segfault when I try other pages |
| 21:06.47 | bugQ | awesome. |
| 21:06.50 | JeffM | does it give you the cookie? |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM | that's mostly what I care about now |
| 21:07.00 | bugQ | it does. |
| 21:07.02 | JeffM | it's good that you found other crashes |
| 21:07.04 | JeffM | ok good |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM | these are the things that I wish you'd comunicate to us :) |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM | a simple "cool, that worked, now to figure out the other segfaults" |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM | that tells us a lot |
| 21:07.47 | bugQ | k. |
| 21:08.20 | JeffM | 1) it compiles, 2) it runs, 3) it fixed that problem so I don't have to wonder, and 4) there are other problems, so if we see them they are known. 5) you are working on fixing them. |
| 21:08.55 | JeffM | we don't need a play by play, but just comments every so often help us know where you are. |
| 21:09.33 | JeffM | like if you were working at a real compnay, the water cooler chat :) |
| 21:12.24 | bugQ | ah, it's only for helpmsg |
| 21:12.27 | bugQ | funky |
| 21:14.47 | spldart | dissappeared because of a drive read error on the rig is has to his left while working on the build |
| 21:15.01 | JeffM | kick it |
| 21:15.01 | spldart | s/is/he |
| 21:15.25 | spldart | Its a fairly new 500 gig drive I don't wanna :( |
| 21:15.26 | spldart | hehe |
| 21:16.45 | spldart | I'm starting to get a sinking feeling about 500 gig of data being reloaded on a remanufactured drive after being wihout for 2 or 3 weeks grr |
| 21:17.46 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03bugQ * r18146 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/BUGS: blast007 fixed one, JeffM solved one, and I found one |
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| 21:22.57 | bugQ | what's a 'G' in a svn up log? |
| 21:23.31 | bugQ | neverming |
| 21:23.34 | bugQ | d |
| 21:23.53 | Erroneous | merged |
| 21:24.09 | Erroneous | "svn help up" should mention it |
| 21:24.15 | bugQ | it does :) |
| 21:24.25 | Erroneous | coo |
| 21:24.30 | JeffM | hmmm.. think that 0.001 is too close a tolerance for tank->object collisions? |
| 21:25.19 | JeffM | that's 1mm |
| 21:25.21 | donny_baker | JeffM: we should shoot for 5 0's that is 99.99999% accurate than ;) |
| 21:25.33 | JeffM | donny_baker, it's an aproximation anyway :) |
| 21:26.03 | JeffM | basicly to figure out where a tank collides I do a binary search on the start and endpoints of the path |
| 21:26.10 | JeffM | and recurse |
| 21:26.37 | JeffM | and if the distance of the segment is less then 0.001 I stop and just return the position that is "clear" |
| 21:26.44 | Erroneous | suspects that 0.01 would be just fine |
| 21:26.49 | JeffM | yeah I think so too |
| 21:26.55 | Constitution | JeffM: ok... you are referring to r18138? |
| 21:27.16 | JeffM | Constitution, I dunno. the one where I added hitBuilding to worldinfo |
| 21:27.52 | JeffM | you'll probalby want to move this funciton the API into game too, as it can be handy |
| 21:27.52 | Constitution | ok got it |
| 21:27.57 | bugQ | oh, that reminds me, can c++ optimize tail calls? |
| 21:28.23 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 21:28.29 | bugQ | sweet |
| 21:28.30 | JeffM | you give it 2 tank postions/rotations and it will tell you if it hits something, and set the postion/rotation to the place where it hits. |
| 21:28.50 | JeffM | not that you are doing much with tanks yet |
| 21:29.06 | JeffM | I think all you need is the ray collide for shots |
| 21:29.36 | Gnurdux | bugQ, its in -O2 i think |
| 21:29.46 | Gnurdux | theres also an option like --optimize-tail-calls |
| 21:29.48 | Gnurdux | or somesuch |
| 21:30.06 | bugQ | of course, a flag for everything |
| 21:34.08 | bugQ | yikes, brb |
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| 21:45.58 | bugQ | crazy dog |
| 21:50.58 | spldart | wooohooo.. bios was corrupted mid operation and all of a suddden there was no 500 gig drive.. fixed and back. I guess my mobo is about to fail on this machine to my left. |
| 21:52.20 | spldart | Perhaps that corrupted my build too.. checking now |
| 22:04.00 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r18147 10/branches/gsoc_collisions/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge in r18138 from trunk. |
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| 22:33.50 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18148 10/trunk/bzflag/ (7 files in 5 dirs): |
| 22:33.50 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Move the angular velocity computation to game ( in new MotionUtils ) |
| 22:33.50 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: Do velocity smoothing for all input modes. |
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| 22:44.19 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r18149 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (10 files in 5 dirs): |
| 22:44.19 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * a quick and dirty face extraction algorithm for face extraction |
| 22:44.19 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: from any graph |
| 22:44.19 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * added additional methodes to the graph classes |
| 22:44.19 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * various minor fixes and corrections |
| 22:48.16 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18150 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/MotionUtils.h src/game/MotionUtils.cxx): methods to compute the max speed for linear and rotary motion |
| 23:07.48 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18151 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): move momentum and friction computations to libGame so they can be used anywhere. |
| 23:08.25 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18152 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: do more work to compute server side bot motion states. |
| 23:19.10 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18153 10/branches/v2_99_net_branch/ (include/NetHandler.h src/net/NetHandler.cxx): Remove unused NetListener::close methods |
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| 23:58.24 | Flash | when you have a file that is completely different for Windows and all the unices, does it make sense to have a huge #ifdef or should there be two different files (perhaps in platform)? |