| 00:05.55 | whodaman- | ~bzflist |
| 00:06.07 | whodaman- | Blizz_work, congrats ^^ |
| 00:06.32 | Erroneous | KingofCamelot: pong |
| 00:19.07 | brlcad | hugs SportChick back |
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| 01:20.04 | KingofCamelot | DTRemenak, ping |
| 01:21.00 | spldart | ping pong ping pong |
| 01:21.01 | whodaman- | lol ^^ |
| 01:21.02 | spldart | :( |
| 01:21.11 | KingofCamelot | :P |
| 01:21.30 | KingofCamelot | spldart, ping |
| 01:21.35 | spldart | Oh snap |
| 01:21.39 | spldart | Now I'm involved |
| 01:21.40 | whodaman- | lol |
| 01:21.43 | KingofCamelot | Haha |
| 01:21.55 | spldart | *, pING |
| 01:22.21 | spldart | is editing text ;-p |
| 01:23.00 | Thumper_ | spldart: pong |
| 01:23.14 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:23.41 | spldart | NoW iTs HiTtInG tHe FaN1!1! |
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| 02:01.36 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC participants: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/bzflag/about.html |
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| 02:01.36 | spldart | No |
| 02:01.44 | whodaman- | lo |
| 02:01.46 | whodaman- | ll |
| 02:01.55 | spldart | ABs..please st |
| 02:01.56 | AlbinoBlacksheep | yes |
| 02:02.25 | AHA | AlbinoBlacksheep, do you have a question to ask us? |
| 02:02.30 | AHA | are are you here just to annoy us? |
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| 02:05.10 | CBG | Any reason why the shot line (leading/trailing) in radar changes size in line with radar zoom while the shot size itself does not? |
| 02:06.10 | CBG | ie: shot size is the same number of pixels on the screen no matter how far you're zoomed in or out, but the further you zoom in, the longer the traling/leading line appears. |
| 02:07.07 | CBG | fwiw, I believe the line is crrect, the shot is wrong - shots look too large when you're zoomed out or to small when zoomed in. |
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| 03:26.27 | Blizzard- | whodaman- congrats? |
| 03:27.31 | whodaman- | Blizzard-, you're map was #1 |
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| 03:30.15 | Blizzard- | whodaman- again? hmm, guess people actually like it |
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| 03:46.18 | brlcad | delusional_: you were auto-delisted again because of bounces |
| 03:58.45 | delusional_ | i never got an email, vrlcad |
| 03:58.57 | delusional_ | brlcad |
| 03:59.11 | delusional_ | it's gottaa be my isp |
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| 05:20.27 | spldart | sourceforge having issues? |
| 05:20.57 | BulletCatcher | scheduled downtime, I understand |
| 05:21.07 | spldart | oki doki |
| 05:25.00 | brlcad | 12 hour max |
| 05:29.10 | BulletCatcher | http://sourceforge.net/community/forum/topic.php?id=2993&page has the outage notification |
| 05:40.49 | BulletCatcher | CBG: The width of shots and their lines on radar is kept constant, regardless of zoom, simply to ensure they are visible. |
| 05:40.51 | BulletCatcher | Adjusting the length of shot lines with the zoom helps players correctly infer the timing aspects of shot travel. |
| 05:46.20 | pacman87 | then shouldnt the shot lines be scaled to match the shot speed? |
| 05:47.07 | pacman87 | firing while going backwards should be a shorter line that firing going forwards |
| 05:47.16 | pacman87 | s/that/than/ |
| 05:48.34 | think_tank | i like that reasoning |
| 05:49.02 | BulletCatcher | Yes, it would be even better if shot line length were scaled to the actual speed. It is not currently done that way. |
| 05:51.36 | BulletCatcher | I sometimes wish that the end of the leading shot line would be fixed at the shot's eventual end, but that might be too helpful for good gameplay. |
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| 05:52.14 | pacman87 | what about ricos? |
| 05:53.32 | BulletCatcher | Having leading shot lines follow ricos would definitely make things too easy for targets. |
| 05:54.02 | pacman87 | i'm fairly certain that falls under the 'cheats' heading |
| 05:54.26 | BulletCatcher | yup |
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| 08:43.38 | CBG | BulletCatcher: That's a terrible excuse for a terrible idea. |
| 08:44.03 | CBG | Set a minimum shot size but let it scale up when you zoom in. |
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| 13:36.07 | Flash | Lukstr: still have reference questions? |
| 13:38.46 | Flash | someone tell bugQ that bzu_standardPerms returns a temporary (copy) vector, so binding a reference to it (webadmin.cpp:159) is a really BAD idea |
| 13:40.19 | Flash | never mind, fixed it for him |
| 13:40.38 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18251 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/webadmin.cpp: binding a reference to a temporary value is a bad idea |
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| 13:46.56 | short_circuit | heh |
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| 13:50.34 | Chestal | Flash: is there a reason why the function does not return a const reference, but a copy in the first place? |
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| 14:15.02 | Thumper_ | ~botmail for bugQ bzu_standardPerms returns a temporary (copy) vector, so binding a reference to it (webadmin.cpp:159) is a really BAD idea -- Flash says "never mind, fixed it for him" |
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| 15:16.54 | Lukstr | Flash: No, but I wouldn't mind you taking a look at my code and telling me if you see any terrible things going on ;) |
| 15:17.00 | Lukstr | http://libbzw.blogspot.com |
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| 15:35.50 | SportChick | brlcad: pingy |
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| 15:47.15 | spldart | ---The sinking feeling--- Our company just lost a huge client over the large mistake of the manager :-( |
| 15:48.12 | Winny | :/ |
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| 15:49.33 | spldart | That damn manager is out of state right now too... Prolly for the best. |
| 15:50.04 | spldart | Man. That client was a real PITA to deal with but represented 65% of earnings in my dept. |
| 16:07.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r18252 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:07.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Made use of the project dependencies instead of manually specifying libs to links with |
| 16:07.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Split the socket set iteration from ListenSocket into SocketHandler |
| 16:07.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Added support for connecting to remote hosts with ConnectSocket |
| 16:07.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Other cleanups and fixes for reusability |
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| 16:33.03 | Wyk3d1 | i'm guessing it's not normal that after I'm shot I sometimes spawn under the map after and then get "destroyed by the server" ? |
| 16:33.19 | blast007 | Wyk3d1: on Metropolis? |
| 16:33.29 | blast007 | yeah, that's not *supposed* to happen :) |
| 16:33.42 | Wyk3d1 | i did not check the name of the serv when i joined sec :) |
| 16:33.59 | blast007 | lots of tall buildings and a road and such? |
| 16:34.52 | Wyk3d1 | yep, metropolis |
| 16:34.56 | Wyk3d1 | indeed |
| 16:35.55 | Wyk3d1 | so it's known issue then .. |
| 16:36.48 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 16:49.30 | BulletCatcher | CBG: Since default bullets are a full unit in diameter I can see the advantage of a scaled representation of that size on radar: it would tend to reduce the skill needed for dodging. |
| 16:49.32 | BulletCatcher | I think it is better for the game to leave in this particular learning element, as it improves the incentive for people to become long-term players. |
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| 16:58.48 | BulletCatcher | I have similar misgivings about the showShotGuide feature that has already been added to trunk. |
| 16:59.28 | pacman87 | BulletCatcher: what's that do? |
| 17:00.31 | BulletCatcher | It draws a thin line from the center to the edge of the radar in the direction your shot will go. It is very handy for aiming lasers. |
| 17:00.53 | BulletCatcher | Too handy, I think. |
| 17:03.40 | pacman87 | ah, i think i tried to turn that off last time i played 2.99 |
| 17:04.01 | pacman87 | it was messing up my leading my shots |
| 17:04.20 | BulletCatcher | Then maybe it isn't all bad. :-) |
| 17:04.38 | pacman87 | though it was nice for aiming around building corners |
| 17:05.14 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r18253 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * Added test code for connecting |
| 17:05.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18254 10/trunk/db/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:05.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Convert the player stats page to Smarty, and adjust the layout of the page. |
| 17:05.25 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: Define the baseURL so that links in the header work. |
| 17:05.49 | blast007 | the line would be useless when doing a turning jump attack |
| 17:06.42 | BulletCatcher | Yes. The shot guide only helps directly aimed shots. |
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| 17:07.11 | BulletCatcher | It lets you keep your eyes on the radar rather than aiming out the window. |
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| 17:38.26 | Winny | hardware emergency: can anyone in here think of a reason that a USB stick, when plugged in, will have the light go on for maybe 1/2 a second then not be recognised by the computer? |
| 17:38.47 | JeffM | it is broken |
| 17:38.55 | Winny | my mom took the wrong stick to get pictures printed and now it doesn't work |
| 17:39.00 | Winny | :/ |
| 17:39.05 | JeffM | kerpoof |
| 17:39.09 | Winny | great |
| 17:39.10 | JeffM | I've had it happen many times |
| 17:39.56 | JeffM | flash drives should not be considerd relyable storage |
| 17:40.22 | Winny | whee |
| 17:41.01 | Winny | of course time machine doesn't back up USB sticks.. oh well |
| 17:41.06 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:41.09 | JeffM | that's your job ;) |
| 17:41.18 | JeffM | you were working off a flash drive? |
| 17:41.30 | Winny | had some stuff from school on there |
| 17:41.41 | JeffM | flash drives are for transport only |
| 17:41.44 | JeffM | never work off them |
| 17:41.49 | JeffM | 1) slow, 2) poof |
| 17:41.53 | blast007 | pfft, you should be using floppies! |
| 17:42.00 | blast007 | oooh, or maybe zip drives! |
| 17:42.02 | JeffM | no just copy it to the local machine, and work |
| 17:42.05 | JeffM | then copy back |
| 17:42.11 | JeffM | then you have the last backup |
| 17:42.21 | JeffM | it's a lot faster when working too |
| 17:42.26 | blast007 | yeah.. |
| 17:42.51 | Winny | oh well, good excuse for a nixe new 16gb one ;) |
| 17:43.03 | JeffM | you transport 16 gigs of data? |
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| 17:43.25 | Winny | we're not allowed to write to the drives at school... we need to bring a drive with us |
| 17:43.37 | blast007 | Winny: you don't have any network storage? |
| 17:43.38 | JeffM | wow. that sucks |
| 17:43.45 | Winny | blast007: indeed |
| 17:43.50 | blast007 | meh |
| 17:44.03 | JeffM | yeah they should give you a home dir, and some local profile space (desktop) that is wiped each login |
| 17:44.08 | blast007 | my school gave us a few hundred megs of space |
| 17:44.27 | Winny | we got about 30mb.. until this year when it dissappeared and no explaination was given |
| 17:44.28 | blast007 | do you have your own logins at school? |
| 17:44.53 | olgem | Our school didn't have any quotas, or any read/write permission enforcement. I was banned from using the school computers for pointing this out. |
| 17:44.53 | JeffM | just take your laptop to school |
| 17:45.12 | Winny | I suppose |
| 17:45.18 | JeffM | then it's all your own stuff |
| 17:45.27 | blast007 | take your mac pro! and a 30" screen! |
| 17:45.30 | JeffM | that is the main reason for getting a laptop to TAKE it places. |
| 17:52.22 | CBG | BulletCatcher: I added a line like that myself back in 2.0.6 or thereabouts. I believe, after discussions here with the devs, that it was decided not a "cheat" as it was simply an extension of an existing line. |
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| 19:38.00 | randomparticle | not a very good picture, but: http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1FpjvcS8z7RPuVzI2pf3RPohBfPm0 |
| 19:38.26 | randomparticle | circles instead of squares for tanks in the radar. i.e., it's the hittable part of the tank that is shown |
| 19:39.01 | Winny | I thought tank hit zones were square |
| 19:39.07 | randomparticle | no |
| 19:39.08 | Winny | err, rectangular |
| 19:39.20 | randomparticle | from above they are circular. at least, as of 2.0x |
| 19:39.22 | JeffM | the shot hit zone is not the same as the driving hit zone |
| 19:39.30 | JeffM | the driving one is a cylinder |
| 19:39.34 | JeffM | the shot is a box |
| 19:39.46 | JeffM | tho for turning I belive a box is used |
| 19:39.52 | randomparticle | cylinder is incorrect |
| 19:40.11 | JeffM | then what is it? |
| 19:40.12 | randomparticle | it's a sphere with the top and bottom lopped off |
| 19:40.16 | JeffM | ahh yeah |
| 19:40.26 | randomparticle | but from above, just a disc |
| 19:40.34 | JeffM | hopefully that will all change someday |
| 19:41.05 | randomparticle | i could never figure out why there were squares on the radar. tanks aren't square and hit zones aren't either. so my patch fixes that |
| 19:41.32 | JeffM | because it's suposed to be an aproximation |
| 19:41.40 | JeffM | not a godview |
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| 19:43.26 | randomparticle | there is nothing viewable in bzflag that shows what part of a tank to hit. |
| 19:43.38 | randomparticle | so i like the circle/disc idea :) |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM | nor is there in most FPS games ;) |
| 19:43.54 | randomparticle | indeed |
| 19:43.55 | JeffM | but whatever floats yoru boat |
| 19:45.14 | randomparticle | it might float other people's boats too :) |
| 19:45.18 | JeffM | yep |
| 19:45.39 | randomparticle | hmm.. the interface is strangely slow in trunk |
| 19:45.40 | JeffM | hence the joy of open source |
| 19:45.49 | JeffM | fonts probably |
| 19:45.53 | randomparticle | ah |
| 19:46.04 | JeffM | they are all diffreent |
| 19:46.06 | randomparticle | takes about 1 second to bring up the join menu |
| 19:46.08 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 19:46.14 | randomparticle | 2600xt |
| 19:46.18 | JeffM | under what OS? |
| 19:46.26 | randomparticle | os x |
| 19:46.42 | JeffM | you may need to set the bitmap font thing in the config |
| 19:46.42 | randomparticle | it's very much slower than in 2.0.10 |
| 19:46.51 | JeffM | the entire font system was redone |
| 19:46.58 | randomparticle | why's it so slow? |
| 19:47.00 | JeffM | now uses TTF files |
| 19:47.12 | JeffM | cus ATI can't draw a textured quad to save it's life |
| 19:47.25 | JeffM | and probably state issues |
| 19:47.31 | JeffM | those are still being worked out |
| 19:47.52 | randomparticle | ok. i'll try the bitmap font thing. what's the config command please? |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM | tlooking |
| 19:48.46 | JeffM | UseBitmapFonts |
| 19:48.54 | randomparticle | tx |
| 19:49.59 | randomparticle | still slow |
| 19:50.04 | JeffM | I also recall there being issues with it recreating a lot of fonts wen the first menu is made |
| 19:50.06 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 19:50.10 | JeffM | probalby just bugs then |
| 19:50.13 | randomparticle | it's when i'm playing and hit escape to bring up the menu |
| 19:50.20 | randomparticle | as i say, at least a second for it to appear |
| 19:50.30 | JeffM | every time or the first time? |
| 19:50.35 | randomparticle | every time |
| 19:50.49 | randomparticle | feels like software rendering, but all the rest is fast |
| 19:51.02 | randomparticle | i.e., decent framerate in game |
| 19:51.20 | JeffM | works fine for me |
| 19:51.31 | JeffM | probalby state stuff tho |
| 19:51.44 | JeffM | ATI handes state changes diffrently then nvidia |
| 19:52.10 | randomparticle | the new version of bzflag is aimed at nvidia users? :) |
| 19:52.33 | JeffM | no |
| 19:52.42 | JeffM | reember where I said the word "bugs" |
| 19:52.59 | JeffM | the font system is under development |
| 19:53.12 | randomparticle | ok. so i need to find out what it's doing during that second or so |
| 19:53.25 | JeffM | if you want to to work on that problem... yeah |
| 19:53.54 | JeffM | I sugest you look over how the entire font manager and FTGL works |
| 19:54.59 | JeffM | and you'll want to talk to brlcad about it as wel |
| 19:55.10 | JeffM | he's been doing a lot of the development on it |
| 19:55.16 | JeffM | he's actualy one of the maintainers for FTGL now |
| 19:55.52 | randomparticle | apostrophes aren't allowed in callsigns. would that be a good idea? |
| 19:56.09 | JeffM | huh? |
| 19:56.11 | randomparticle | i see people using other symbols in lieu of them occasionally |
| 19:56.22 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 19:56.48 | randomparticle | i tried apostrophes, but those callsigns are never accepted |
| 19:57.27 | randomparticle | this is ruining the english of a generation :) |
| 19:59.08 | randomparticle | "Non-printable characters and quotes are not allowed in callsigns." |
| 20:00.50 | randomparticle | example callsign: bzflag's most noobish player |
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| 20:28.05 | AAA_awright | ibot_: ping |
| 20:28.18 | AAA_awright | hm |
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| 21:49.09 | bugQ | is gdb going bonkers on me or am missing something? |
| 21:49.25 | bugQ | I'm getting segfaults at HTTPServer:414 and 428 |
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| 22:01.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r18255 10/branches/gsoc_bzauthd/ (19 files in 8 dirs): |
| 22:01.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Moved the auth protocol specific defines into bzAuthCommon |
| 22:01.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Removed the tcp-net and moved the files into bzAuthCommon |
| 22:01.03 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: * Added code to initialize the SocketHandler in the client |
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| 22:02.17 | Wyk3d1 | error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: __thiscall SocketHandler::~SocketHandler(void)" (??1SocketHandler@@QAE@XZ) referenced in function "void __cdecl `dynamic atexit destructor for 'authSockHandler''(void)" (??__FauthSockHandler@@YAXXZ) |
| 22:03.01 | Wyk3d1 | but I did define the destructor :-/ |
| 22:03.17 | Wyk3d1 | and it's linked in .. |
| 22:03.29 | JeffM | does it need to be virtual maybe? |
| 22:03.40 | Wyk3d1 | no, nothing inherits from it |
| 22:03.57 | JeffM | does it inhert from anything? |
| 22:04.36 | Wyk3d1 | no |
| 22:04.44 | Wyk3d1 | and tried with virtual and it's the same |
| 22:05.06 | Wyk3d1 | just virtual __thiscall SocketHandler::~ ... |
| 22:05.17 | JeffM | wierd |
| 22:06.40 | Wyk3d1 | i did class SocketHandler; |
| 22:06.40 | Wyk3d1 | extern SocketHandler authSockHandler; |
| 22:06.45 | Wyk3d1 | in ServerList.h |
| 22:06.46 | Wyk3d1 | and |
| 22:06.55 | Wyk3d1 | SocketHandler authSockHandler; |
| 22:06.59 | Wyk3d1 | in ServerList.cpp |
| 22:07.22 | Wyk3d1 | it's not a singleton |
| 22:07.23 | JeffM | then there must be a project that includes ServerList.h |
| 22:07.30 | JeffM | but not the CPP |
| 22:08.02 | Wyk3d1 | if it doesn't get link errors from accessing members of ServerList |
| 22:08.07 | Wyk3d1 | then it shouldn't get any from that |
| 22:08.36 | Wyk3d1 | i.e if it links with the game project it should have the definition |
| 22:08.53 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 22:09.50 | Wyk3d1 | it's the bzadmin project's link error |
| 22:10.11 | Wyk3d1 | .. i think, given that the messages arrive out of order due to the parallel build :-/ |
| 22:10.41 | JeffM | you can change the order it shows the log in |
| 22:11.36 | Wyk3d1 | how ? |
| 22:11.48 | JeffM | should be a pulldown in the output window |
| 22:12.02 | JeffM | can't bring it up now cus he's installing VC9 |
| 22:13.25 | Wyk3d1 | there's a "Build Order" in the pulldown indeed |
| 22:13.31 | Wyk3d1 | seems to work |
| 22:13.37 | JeffM | yeah that thing |
| 22:14.33 | Wyk3d1 | so yeah bzflag and bzfs compile fine |
| 22:14.37 | Wyk3d1 | but bzadmin fails |
| 22:14.48 | JeffM | bet bzadmin is missing some file or lib or something |
| 22:15.01 | JeffM | bzadmin includes a number of things from the client IIRC |
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| 22:16.11 | Wyk3d1 | yep, that was it :) |
| 22:16.20 | Wyk3d1 | added the dependency to bzAuthCommon to bzadmin |
| 22:16.24 | Wyk3d1 | and it links now |
| 22:16.36 | JeffM | cool |
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| 23:46.58 | whodaman- | Anyone know what the worldsize of a duc map is? |
| 23:46.59 | whodaman- | 500? |
| 23:56.24 | Danji | . |
| 23:56.56 | whodaman- | Thanks Danji |
| 23:56.59 | whodaman- | Now I know! |