| 00:03.49 | JeffM | still be trivial to do as a plugin |
| 00:07.13 | epyon | ~pastebin |
| 00:07.13 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 00:08.14 | epyon | JeffM: how "ugly" do you consider such code? : http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1183832 |
| 00:08.39 | epyon | I just wonder wether to keep it or use a normal list of classes instead. |
| 00:08.46 | JeffM | depends what it's uses for? |
| 00:09.02 | JeffM | macros in themseves are evil |
| 00:09.20 | JeffM | classes or templates are always better |
| 00:09.24 | epyon | To save typing the same again and again for each operation |
| 00:09.32 | epyon | No idea how to template that though |
| 00:09.38 | JeffM | that's what autocomplete is for :) |
| 00:10.09 | epyon | If I turn on autocomplete on this junk I have a 200ms lag between each keystroke xP |
| 00:12.05 | epyon | This is how it looks without the macro : http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1183834 |
| 00:12.44 | blast007 | set up keyboard macros then ;) |
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| 00:15.51 | JeffM | that makes more sense |
| 00:16.01 | JeffM | and would be easier to debug |
| 00:16.07 | JeffM | you are only typing these in once right? |
| 00:16.19 | JeffM | then you'll use them as functors |
| 00:18.03 | Flash | doesn't see how that improves over * / + - |
| 00:18.11 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r18471 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Expression.h src/Expression.cxx): |
| 00:18.11 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * Expression.h/cxx style fixup |
| 00:18.11 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * ExpressionTemplate for multi-expression expressions |
| 00:18.11 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * Code cleanup |
| 00:18.28 | epyon | Yeah, functors would probably be more logical, maybe next time. |
| 00:18.30 | JeffM | indeed, why not use operators, or is this for like a math parser? |
| 00:22.48 | Flash | gah. lex/yacc |
| 00:27.49 | Flash | epyon: on the surface, it feels like "elegance" for elegance' sake. I'm digging pretty deep to figure out what the Expression classes are accomplishing |
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| 00:32.22 | epyon | Flash: they form the parse tree for the yacc grammar |
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| 00:42.16 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * Rule doxycomments |
| 00:42.16 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * Rule style cleanup |
| 00:42.16 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * Rule Log messages |
| 00:42.16 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: * deletePointerVector safety check for NULL |
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| 01:53.32 | Flash | something isn't right in the bzwgen makefiles... it doesn't do dependency checking. My make didn't detect the change to Rule.h |
| 01:54.59 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18474 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/globals.h: write one deletePointerVector in terms of the other |
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| 01:56.59 | Flash | epyon: ping |
| 02:05.57 | epyon | Flash: my knowledge about makefiles ends at knowing how to run "make" and "make clean" :/ |
| 02:06.10 | Flash | no, I wanted to ask you about deletePointer |
| 02:06.19 | Flash | mostly, it seems like a waste of code |
| 02:07.00 | Flash | deletePointerVector is marginally useful, since it includes iterating over the vector |
| 02:07.32 | Flash | but I don't see any value in "deletePointer(p)" over "delete p" |
| 02:07.49 | epyon | safety |
| 02:07.54 | Flash | what safety? |
| 02:08.05 | epyon | null checking and null assignment |
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| 02:08.26 | Flash | checking for null is pointless, and you only use it in dtors, so null assignment is also pointless |
| 02:08.36 | Flash | delete 0 is defined to be safe |
| 02:08.46 | epyon | um, so? |
| 02:08.50 | Flash | (it's in the DEVINFO actually ;-) |
| 02:09.07 | epyon | Then tell me why OGRE uses this: |
| 02:09.11 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.11 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.11 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.14 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.21 | epyon | sorry, wrong paste :P |
| 02:09.28 | Flash | ~pastebin |
| 02:09.29 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 02:09.30 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.30 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.31 | epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.33 | epyon | grrrr |
| 02:09.39 | epyon | stupid linux middle button |
| 02:09.43 | epyon | #define OGRE_DELETE(p) { if(p) { delete (p); (p)=NULL; } } |
| 02:10.03 | Flash | because a lot of C programmers can't get used to the fact that C++ allows delete 0 |
| 02:10.14 | epyon | OGRE uses this everywhere where delete should be. |
| 02:10.56 | Flash | see #5 in DEVINFO |
| 02:11.41 | Flash | besides, macros like that are evil |
| 02:12.06 | epyon | Well, tell me the reason then for the macro in OGRE, I can't believe they make such a fundamental waste all over the code, just because C users aren't used to C++ |
| 02:12.14 | Flash | OGRE_DELETE(p+1) |
| 02:12.41 | Flash | I can't justify why OGRE does or doesn't do something, but bzflag doesn't check for NULL before delete |
| 02:12.42 | epyon | deletePointer is safe against that |
| 02:13.52 | Flash | setting a variable to a value in a destructor is pointless. Checking for null before delete is pointless |
| 02:13.56 | Flash | that's all I'm saying |
| 02:14.23 | Flash | also, I noticed that you put a lot of destructor code in the header instead of the body |
| 02:14.38 | Flash | generally, code should be in the .cxx file, unless there's a performance need for it |
| 02:14.41 | epyon | NULL-ing it isn't pointless, if it's not in a destructor |
| 02:14.58 | Flash | that's true, but every use of deletePointer I could find was in a dtor |
| 02:15.04 | epyon | as yet |
| 02:15.14 | epyon | I didn't propagate it over the code yet |
| 02:15.39 | Flash | there are better ways to manage memory.... |
| 02:15.45 | TD-Linux | AAA_awright: if you're still there, I made that icon with wings3d and povray |
| 02:15.48 | TD-Linux | I have an animated one too |
| 02:15.58 | TD-Linux | I can give you the source files if you want |
| 02:16.12 | TD-Linux | might be difficult to find though... those would be on my backup drive :) |
| 02:16.59 | epyon | Flash: if it were my choice, I'd use boost::shared_ptr instead :P |
| 02:17.21 | Flash | I'm not familiar with shared_ptr; in most cases std::auto_ptr will work |
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| 04:09.55 | Flash | epyon: OperationMultifaces is a base for several classes; it is constructed with a StringVector* _facerules parameter. |
| 04:10.38 | JeffM | epyon: we told you that you could use boost |
| 04:10.48 | Flash | is it correct that it takes ownership of the allocated StringVector* ? It looks like this is part of the interface to yacc and it's not immediately clear who owns the memory |
| 04:10.58 | JeffM | and Flash the SoC is over, if you want to work on that code you can |
| 04:11.06 | Flash | I am ;-) |
| 04:11.14 | JeffM | k |
| 04:11.32 | JeffM | and boost is fine, we've told him like 30 times |
| 04:21.44 | epyon | Yeah, now that I have all the time I've got, maybe it's time to switch to boost xP |
| 04:23.03 | epyon | One thing that'd be nice would be to use spirit to parse the grammar files to remove the yacc/bison dependency. But spirit is a huge package -_- |
| 04:23.28 | epyon | JeffM: what did libBZW finally use? |
| 05:23.39 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18475 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/OSFile.h src/OSFile.cxx): Mostly whitespace. Changed to use new/delete instead of malloc |
| 05:28.32 | JeffM | epyon: spirit |
| 05:28.38 | JeffM | you were told many times tho |
| 05:30.20 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18476 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:30.20 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: Fix memory management (delete[] vs delete, unnecessary allocations). |
| 05:30.20 | CIA-37 | BZFlag: Some whitespace (lots more is needed) |
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| 06:12.41 | epyon | Flash: have you tested wether the plugin string feedback works? I tried simple solutions with the string passing, but they either didn't compile or didn't work |
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| 12:45.34 | donny_baker | i think most everone here agrees with this article, but it is good to be riminded why you should check-in early and often |
| 12:45.38 | donny_baker | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001165.html |
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| 13:18.21 | brlcad | donny_baker: thanks |
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| 13:46.25 | Manu | ~coffee spldart |
| 13:46.26 | ibot | ACTION steals some of TheRedBaron's special coffee and gives it to spldart on a silver platter. |
| 13:46.35 | Manu | TheRedBaron: lol |
| 13:46.38 | spldart | :-D |
| 13:47.43 | TheRedBaron | manu is out to get me! |
| 13:48.46 | F687s | Wow, that's a big smiley face. Must be some good coffee. ;-) |
| 13:51.08 | Manu | F687s: java :) |
| 13:51.31 | Manu | TheRedBaron: was ibot, not me :/ |
| 13:51.49 | TheRedBaron | F687s: believe me - this is good coffee |
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| 14:11.50 | Flash | epyon: sorry, I couldn't make sense of that. Can you focus my attention more? |
| 14:12.17 | Flash | I didn't change any interfaces or semantics, just fixed some obvious errors and eliminated some unneeded allocations |
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| 20:57.45 | JeffM | yay, 800.80$ USD in the bzflag kitty :) |
| 20:58.52 | Winny | withdraw 72 cents and it'll be a palindrome number |
| 20:59.24 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:00.33 | JeffM | got any ideas for a new design? |
| 21:00.40 | JeffM | september is going to be design month :) |
| 21:00.53 | brlcad | heh, throw a competition |
| 21:00.55 | JBdiGriz | Back to School with BZFlag |
| 21:01.21 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, woudn't be printed in time :) |
| 21:01.27 | JeffM | this would be for late october release |
| 21:01.33 | JeffM | winter wear |
| 21:01.40 | JBdiGriz | BZFlag for the holidays ... :D |
| 21:01.46 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:02.03 | JeffM | brlcad, what to offer as a prize and under what rules? |
| 21:03.04 | Winny | 'The winner of the competition recieves one free shirt with an awesome design" |
| 21:03.31 | JeffM | shirt and hoodie I'd even do |
| 21:03.51 | Winny | what aboubt coffee mugs? |
| 21:04.02 | Winny | camo coffee mug might be interesting |
| 21:04.14 | JeffM | I can do them for about 12$ a pop |
| 21:04.16 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 21:04.24 | JeffM | I have the funds now to do that kinda stuff |
| 21:07.16 | JeffM | if we sell out of everything I'll end up with just under 1000$ |
| 21:07.32 | JeffM | tho I'm guessing I'll never get rid of all the XXL and XXXL shirts |
| 21:07.40 | brlcad | JeffM: $100 and a free t-shirt sounds enticing to me |
| 21:08.20 | brlcad | maybe make it a bzbb poll for deciding the winner? or just have a panel pick/rank/whatever |
| 21:08.30 | JeffM | panel would be my choice |
| 21:08.38 | Winny | once I find some cash I might order one of the XXL shirts... I managed to shrink the XL to M sizes |
| 21:08.45 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:08.54 | JeffM | I put them on sale :) |
| 21:09.28 | JeffM | so the design should work for shirts and hoodies. bonus points if it works on hats, and mugs |
| 21:11.24 | JeffM | this time I may want to order a couple extra hoodies to keep in stock after the pre order |
| 21:11.34 | JeffM | as people seem to "forget" them |
| 21:11.52 | brlcad | Winny: what sounds like a good prize to you? |
| 21:12.56 | Winny | maybe a t-shirt plus one (or two) of the other items of your choice? |
| 21:13.32 | JeffM | probably have like a dosen more hats made |
| 21:16.28 | JeffM | what do you think about spending some of the 2008 SoC money on printing up some cheaper single color shirts for freebies? |
| 21:16.57 | JBdiGriz | It would make you very popular at the summit. ;) |
| 21:17.02 | JeffM | indeed |
| 21:17.23 | JeffM | I can do white single color one side prints at just under 5$ a pop |
| 21:22.44 | QuantumTim | umm, I have no idea what caused this, but we just finised a match, and didn't get a game over (time rolled over to 2000 hours or something) |
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| 22:48.25 | Winny | forum admins might wanna do something about this guy's issue: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12974 |
| 22:49.01 | Erroneous | "my computer destroyed the email" |
| 22:49.05 | Winny | yeah |
| 22:49.12 | KTL | found a positive use for f5 |
| 22:49.12 | Erroneous | is that like "the telephone pole collided with my car at high speed"? |
| 22:49.20 | Winny | high technical knowledge there ;) |
| 22:52.28 | KTL | sometimes a ctf flag gets thrown in an impossible to reach spot, f5 can get it out without a flagreset |
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