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| 00:07.13 | Happy_Alice | JeffM ? have u already checked the patch i have submitted ? :-) |
| 00:07.26 | JeffM | haven't had chance to yet, sorry |
| 00:07.46 | JeffM | other stuff keeps comming up |
| 00:08.02 | JeffM | I'd like DTRemenak to look at it to find out what the asian langs don't work |
| 00:08.05 | Happy_Alice | nvm ... i will wait my turn |
| 00:08.17 | JeffM | heh, it's not a turn thing |
| 00:08.31 | JeffM | I'm not the only one that can look at it |
| 00:08.40 | JeffM | it's defentaly something I think we can get in for 3.0 |
| 00:08.54 | JeffM | and I don't think 3.0 is waiting on just that so there is time :) |
| 00:09.12 | JeffM | has spent the day cursing at mono on BSD |
| 00:09.17 | Happy_Alice | but u are the only one who seemt to be interested, JeffM |
| 00:09.27 | JeffM | naw, I'm just the vocal one :) |
| 00:09.41 | Happy_Alice | i like the vocal dev :-) |
| 00:09.46 | JeffM | SoC is over so thats a load off of more of the devs |
| 00:09.58 | JeffM | bzflag has always done slow dev work |
| 00:10.25 | Happy_Alice | hehe... i will be patient :-) |
| 00:10.38 | JeffM | it'll get in, it is good work |
| 00:11.13 | Happy_Alice | thank you, JeffM. These words touch me really |
| 00:11.40 | JeffM | you also showed us some big flaws with libgame |
| 00:11.42 | JeffM | and that's a good thing |
| 00:11.46 | JeffM | I think we need a libClient |
| 00:11.57 | JeffM | that handles the common things between the 3 client types |
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| 00:33.02 | Ratfink | JeffM, I have noticed a minor problem with the Narrow flag. |
| 00:33.09 | JeffM | and that is? |
| 00:33.24 | Ratfink | If you go right next to a wall, you can see through the wall. |
| 00:33.42 | JeffM | well you are inifnately thin ;) |
| 00:33.50 | JeffM | but yeah that's been an issue for a very long time |
| 00:34.03 | a_temp_dist | it's a feature! |
| 00:34.08 | JeffM | not really |
| 00:34.14 | JeffM | but fixing it is non trivial |
| 00:34.21 | Ratfink | I figured that. |
| 00:36.02 | delusional | I think you should be able to see team flags, at al times, through walls. for o other reason than play would be improved. CTF has always been vague |
| 00:36.14 | JeffM | the proper fix would be to change collisions to make sure that you are always at least one depth buffer segment outside the object. |
| 00:36.22 | delusional | and there should be a bigger announcement of which team has your flag |
| 00:36.32 | JeffM | delusional: there is a hud marker that does that in 3.0 |
| 00:36.42 | delusional | is it bigger? |
| 00:37.03 | JeffM | it's like a big triangle over where the flag is on your screen, even if it's behind stuff |
| 00:37.23 | Ratfink | delusional: it is easy to see what team has your flag if you use the score list. |
| 00:37.25 | JeffM | if it's off the screen it points to the side its' on |
| 00:37.31 | JeffM | waypoint style |
| 00:37.44 | delusional | i tried 2.99 last night but it froze my whole comp twice... the escape key seems to be the problem.. intel mac |
| 00:37.46 | Ratfink | Sounds like the diamond on the mouse box. |
| 00:38.29 | delusional | cool I LIKE THAT |
| 00:38.59 | a_temp_dist | delusional: I was able to build 2.99 for intel mac a couple weeks ago |
| 00:39.00 | JeffM | Ratfink: it replaces that |
| 00:39.16 | delusional | build isnt a problem anymore.. rhanks devs. |
| 00:39.23 | JeffM | there are font loading issues, systems with low video memory may have issues bringing up menus |
| 00:39.33 | delusional | yeah, i know |
| 00:39.33 | Happy_Alice | i can confirm a_temp_dist didi it! |
| 00:39.37 | delusional | i know |
| 00:39.41 | delusional | i tried anyway |
| 00:39.52 | JeffM | it an intel video chipset? |
| 00:40.23 | delusional | my mac was ordered the day intel macsbecame available for sale.. arrived 3 days later |
| 00:40.30 | JeffM | what mac is it? |
| 00:40.32 | JeffM | a mini? |
| 00:40.33 | delusional | jan 4 2--6 |
| 00:40.41 | JeffM | or an imac? |
| 00:40.46 | delusional | jan 4 2006 |
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| 00:40.52 | delusional | imac |
| 00:40.57 | JeffM | what size? |
| 00:41.03 | delusional | 20 |
| 00:41.13 | JeffM | hmmm that could have intel or ATI |
| 00:41.17 | JeffM | depending on what you got |
| 00:41.33 | delusional | graphic chipset? |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:41.41 | delusional | ATI |
| 00:41.48 | JeffM | how much video memory? |
| 00:42.51 | JeffM | looks like it should be an X1600 with 128 |
| 00:42.54 | JeffM | that should be fine |
| 00:43.02 | delusional | ATY,RadeonX1600 |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM | probably a driver bug |
| 00:43.17 | delusional | 256 MB |
| 00:43.24 | JeffM | be nice to report it to apple |
| 00:43.24 | delusional | VRAm |
| 00:43.34 | JeffM | since it takes the machine down, it has to be the driver |
| 00:43.45 | JeffM | user apps are not suposed to be able to kill the entire system |
| 00:44.03 | delusional | it freezes when i hit the escap e key.. this has been like 4 months |
| 00:44.06 | JBdiGriz | Was the machine frozen, or just the GUI? |
| 00:44.39 | a_temp_dist | delusional: try again and give it more time |
| 00:44.50 | JBdiGriz | If you only have one machine, it's hard to tell the difference. |
| 00:44.51 | a_temp_dist | I think I had that problem - it's trying to build all the fonts |
| 00:44.55 | a_temp_dist | when you hit esc |
| 00:45.01 | JeffM | delusional: same timeframe when we switched to FTGL |
| 00:45.04 | delusional | the entire machine... i hit the key combo to kill the app... wauted... tried again.. waited.. had to hold the power key |
| 00:45.22 | Ratfink | I have a problem with all servers. Usually after about 10 minutes or so I disconnect and get a message that says "Server unexpectedly disconnected". Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 00:45.26 | JeffM | yeah that tells me that the driver dosn't like something that FTGL does |
| 00:45.34 | JeffM | and no openGL call should kill the machine |
| 00:45.52 | delusional | i'll report it to apple.. if you write the report |
| 00:46.08 | JBdiGriz | That key combo tries to bring up a window to force quit the machine. If the GUI is dead, you won't see anything happen. |
| 00:46.10 | JeffM | I would not know what to write, I don't have a mac anymore |
| 00:46.25 | JeffM | JBdiGriz on the other hand is much more knowledgable ;) |
| 00:46.33 | delusional | even when the escape key works.. it takes about five seconds... |
| 00:46.44 | JeffM | yeah the pause we know about |
| 00:46.52 | JeffM | it rebuilds the font tables every time you hit a menu |
| 00:46.56 | JeffM | and that takes time |
| 00:47.02 | JeffM | but it should not crash the system |
| 00:47.12 | JeffM | can you ssh into the machine? |
| 00:47.21 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure how reliable any report of mine about ATI drivers might be. |
| 00:47.39 | JeffM | JBdiGriz: heh, you may slip in "sucks" a couple times? |
| 00:47.52 | JBdiGriz | OTOH, if you have a problem with some other graphics cards, I might be able to help a bit more. |
| 00:48.19 | delusional | well// i'll try again and wait even longer..... could be the wireless keyboard? after it froze i was thinking i could plug in the wired KB |
| 00:48.20 | JeffM | "and your ridiculous insistance on using ATI chipsets..." |
| 00:48.45 | JeffM | install windows, see if you have the same problem |
| 00:48.53 | delusional | no yjankyou |
| 00:48.54 | JBdiGriz | See JeffM, you are good at writing those reports. :D |
| 00:49.17 | JeffM | heh |
| 00:49.30 | JeffM | no, just slightly psycic |
| 00:49.40 | JBdiGriz | It goes with psycho |
| 00:49.50 | JeffM | had to write a report to the mono on BSD people today |
| 00:49.59 | delusional | i'll go with a lower resolution.... if i disappear you know why |
| 00:50.52 | Ratfink | I have a problem with all servers. Usually after about 10 minutes or so I disconnect and get a message that says "Server unexpectedly disconnected". Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 00:51.03 | JeffM | we saw you say that the first time |
| 00:51.08 | JeffM | its' probably your router |
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| 00:52.24 | Ratfink1 | I have the same problem with IRC. |
| 00:53.03 | JeffM | then that REALY means it's a problem with your router ;) |
| 00:53.03 | JeffM | or ISP |
| 00:53.04 | JeffM | what router do you have? |
| 00:53.04 | Ratfink | I have no idea. |
| 00:53.23 | JeffM | that is probably part of your problem |
| 00:53.33 | Ratfink | Unless the wireless router is what you mean.(Embarresed) |
| 00:53.46 | JeffM | umm yeah |
| 00:54.01 | Ratfink | In which case it is a belkin G+ MIMO |
| 00:54.07 | JeffM | I'm sorry |
| 00:54.12 | Ratfink | Why? |
| 00:54.19 | JeffM | blelkin |
| 00:54.25 | JeffM | wireless can be iffy |
| 00:54.34 | JeffM | try connecting directly |
| 00:54.47 | Ratfink | I would, but this is a shared computer. |
| 00:54.48 | JeffM | if that fixes it, you just have RF interferance |
| 00:55.04 | JeffM | change channels on the network, move stuff, etc.. |
| 00:55.21 | JeffM | how long does it take to have the problem? |
| 00:55.35 | Ratfink | I said about 10 minutes |
| 00:55.40 | Ratfink | Sometimes more or less. |
| 00:55.42 | JeffM | and you can't wire it in for 10 min? |
| 00:56.14 | Ratfink | I don't know how. It's not my computer. |
| 00:56.27 | JeffM | then ask the owner |
| 00:56.39 | Ratfink | Okay. |
| 00:56.50 | JeffM | why ask a question if you are unable to even try doing the answer? |
| 00:57.18 | Ratfink | I didn't know what the answer was. |
| 00:57.47 | Ratfink | If I did, I wouldn't ask. |
| 00:58.00 | JeffM | did you expect somethign like us saying "oh just type /set _netNoSuck true" ? |
| 00:58.09 | Ratfink | lol |
| 00:58.09 | delusional | hey... I made it to 2.99 and back.... when I hit escape key it makes the psssssst sound that bzflag is supposed to make, but it also makes the OSX sound for "invalid input" i think it's called sosumi.... |
| 00:58.11 | Ratfink | no |
| 00:58.26 | JeffM | any issue with networking is going to require you to do things to the computer. |
| 00:58.36 | Ratfink | I have to go now. |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM | good luck |
| 00:58.46 | Ratfink | Thank you. |
| 00:58.49 | JeffM | delusional: you are on 10.5? |
| 00:58.59 | delusional | still 10.4 |
| 00:59.05 | JeffM | hmm |
| 00:59.09 | a_temp_dist | delusional: try starting in windowed mode - and not changing to fullscreen |
| 00:59.10 | JeffM | then I dunno |
| 00:59.19 | delusional | ok temp |
| 00:59.19 | a_temp_dist | the fonts won't have to redraw themselves |
| 00:59.33 | a_temp_dist | and you'll be able to see the terminal action |
| 00:59.48 | delusional | also the J character does not display... i'm sure you know that already |
| 01:00.26 | a_temp_dist | i don't have that problem |
| 01:00.29 | JeffM | umm, since that is the first letter in my name, I think I'd notice it |
| 01:00.52 | JeffM | and I wrote the first draft of the font manager.... |
| 01:01.33 | JeffM | sounds like your system is jacked |
| 01:01.42 | delusional | in windowed mode there is no delay.... but the sosumi sound still plays when i hit escape |
| 01:02.26 | delusional | when i hit ANY function key, i hear sosumi |
| 01:03.17 | delusional | apparently no other keys do that... just the top row |
| 01:03.30 | JeffM | yeah apple is wierd about them |
| 01:03.40 | JeffM | it's possible you may need the newer sdlmain |
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| 01:09.22 | delusional | hmm, i could have also screwed SDLmain during a failed attempt to install openscenegraph |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM | sdlmain handles the input |
| 01:09.42 | JeffM | there are 2 versions |
| 01:09.50 | JeffM | your version has to match the version of SDL you have |
| 01:09.54 | JeffM | we have our own internal one |
| 01:10.13 | JeffM | if you updated your SDL, but didn't add the new SDLmain to bzflag, you could have issues |
| 01:10.57 | delusional | well, i'm not going to attempt to correct it. |
| 01:11.16 | delusional | i just dont have the skills |
| 01:11.18 | JeffM | are you using the current libSDL? |
| 01:13.14 | delusional | spotlight doesnt show me any file names libsdl |
| 01:13.58 | JeffM | it would be a framework |
| 01:14.03 | delusional | and even if i had it, i wouldn't know how oto tell if it was correctly linked |
| 01:14.30 | JeffM | sounds like dev code is not the thing for you given the amount of effort you are willing to put into it |
| 01:15.01 | delusional | effort i can do... skills thats another matter |
| 01:15.38 | AAA_awright | What decides sending PlayerUpdate versus PlayerUpdateSmall in 2.0? |
| 01:17.11 | JeffM | BZDB_NOSMALLPACKETS |
| 01:17.47 | AAA_awright | I mean, it seems to send out pu first, then switches to ps after ~8 seconds |
| 01:18.05 | AAA_awright | Any simple reason? |
| 01:18.12 | AAA_awright | looks for that in the source |
| 01:18.41 | JeffM | it just checks the var |
| 01:18.41 | JeffM | it ain't that complex |
| 01:19.11 | AAA_awright | Then why do I record it switching over mid way through? |
| 01:19.26 | JeffM | dunno |
| 01:19.28 | JeffM | debug and see |
| 01:20.00 | AAA_awright | Hm, there isn't anything that would switch it too |
| 01:20.11 | JeffM | bingo |
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| 02:30.13 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r18484 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/debian/ (buildsnap control copyright rules): divide out data package - Debian #491982 |
| 03:16.31 | Flash | delusional: the last time I tried 2.99 it locked up my Mac too |
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| 03:22.11 | Flash | delusional: also, the default font is broken |
| 03:22.23 | Flash | you can substitute another font and your J will come back |
| 03:24.03 | Flash | I have this line in my ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/3.0/config.cfg: set consoleFont Virtue |
| 03:28.47 | Flash | any progress on the lag issue? |
| 03:31.40 | Flash | I just got a 5,000 second jitter: http://imagebin.ca/view/BVz8q7D.html |
| 03:34.13 | Flash | delusional: oops... must be the wrong config; I still am missing "j" |
| 03:35.44 | Flash | also, F12 quits pretty quickly (much better than bringing up the menu |
| 03:36.45 | a_meteorite | Flash: haha that's awesome... 50,000 seconds |
| 03:36.59 | Flash | oh, did I miss a place? |
| 03:37.05 | a_meteorite | er |
| 03:37.16 | Flash | how far can the speed of light travel in 50,000 seconds? |
| 03:37.22 | Flash | am I playing a server on the moon? |
| 03:37.44 | a_meteorite | no you didn't |
| 03:38.07 | a_meteorite | ~5000/60 |
| 03:38.08 | ibot | 83.333333333333 |
| 03:38.26 | Flash | ~5000/3600 |
| 03:38.26 | ibot | 1.388888888889 |
| 03:38.28 | JeffM | jitter is change in lag |
| 03:38.50 | Flash | so in the course of 15 seconds my lag changed 1.4 hours? |
| 03:39.03 | JeffM | jitter computation is jacked up |
| 03:39.10 | JeffM | but yeah, if you had a bad packet |
| 03:39.14 | JeffM | it could throw the count off |
| 03:39.17 | JeffM | or something |
| 03:39.43 | Flash | that calc is done on the server, right? |
| 03:40.07 | JeffM | no |
| 03:40.14 | JeffM | IIRC it's client |
| 03:40.33 | JeffM | server does a computation as well for kicking |
| 03:40.35 | Flash | so the client reports its lag/jitter and then the server kicks for bad connection? |
| 03:40.42 | Flash | hmmmm |
| 03:40.45 | JeffM | they should do the computations in tandem |
| 03:40.54 | Flash | why would the client need to know? |
| 03:41.06 | Flash | isn't the server's view all that matters? |
| 03:41.08 | JeffM | to display it |
| 03:41.13 | JeffM | pffff, we wish |
| 03:41.22 | JeffM | remember, bzflag is a lan game ;) |
| 03:41.38 | JeffM | check the code tho it's all been redone a couple times |
| 03:41.44 | JeffM | I don't fully understand it |
| 03:41.48 | Flash | can you point me in the right direction? |
| 03:42.08 | JeffM | well common sense would say start at the jitter display and jitterkick code |
| 03:42.17 | JeffM | then backtrack it |
| 03:42.18 | Flash | ok, I'll find it |
| 03:42.32 | JeffM | that would be what CTRL + SHIFT + F is for :) |
| 03:45.34 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18485 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Score.cxx: |
| 03:45.34 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: Change default (0 kills, 0 deaths) to 0% |
| 03:45.34 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: A player who hasn't played doesn't deserve a ranking, and this has been abused |
| 03:45.34 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: in Rabbit Hunt games where rabbit can be chosen by the ranking. |
| 03:46.32 | JeffM | didn't we talk about making that an OPTION? |
| 03:46.35 | JeffM | not the default? |
| 03:46.58 | Flash | perhaps.... I forget |
| 03:47.03 | JeffM | we did |
| 03:47.06 | JeffM | don't change the default |
| 03:47.11 | JeffM | make a command line option to set it |
| 03:47.14 | Flash | but as soon as you have 1 kill/death it doesn't matter.... ok, I'll fix it |
| 03:48.15 | JeffM | you have been the only person to express an opinion about the default in all the time of rabbit hunt, so while I understand the need for a setting, I don't think we should change the default as it seems most people are happy with it |
| 03:48.20 | JeffM | in fact make it a bzdb var |
| 03:48.25 | JeffM | then it can be dynamic |
| 03:51.55 | TimRiker | feels so dynamic |
| 03:52.35 | TimRiker | JeffM: planning to get another 2.0 debian package out. probably won't even stamp a new release as the date code is in the debian version info. |
| 03:52.49 | JeffM | TimRiker: sounds like fun |
| 03:53.09 | TimRiker | moving data files to a -data deb. but the bigger issue is the non-free font open bug. |
| 03:53.39 | TimRiker | makeing a bzflag meta package, bzflag-client, bzflag-data, and bzflag-server. not moved that change to head yet, but I will. |
| 03:53.52 | TimRiker | er trunk. :) |
| 03:53.54 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:54.03 | JeffM | days of head are long gone |
| 03:54.38 | TimRiker | you know what I meant though.. :) |
| 03:55.21 | JeffM | I actualy thought you were meaning head in debian |
| 03:55.30 | JeffM | untill you said trunk |
| 03:55.56 | TimRiker | heh |
| 03:56.54 | TimRiker | deb tools claim bzflag does not use libs Xi, X11, SM, ICE or Xext. (this is a SDL build) |
| 03:57.11 | JeffM | probably |
| 03:57.15 | JeffM | would not suprise me |
| 03:57.23 | JeffM | yay for less dependencies |
| 03:57.25 | TimRiker | would be nice if we didn't link against libs we don't actually use. just reduces the depends. |
| 03:57.36 | JeffM | trunk may do that |
| 03:57.44 | TimRiker | not sure if SDL can do GL on any non-X modes though. |
| 03:57.45 | JeffM | as it's a problem on the mac too |
| 03:58.01 | JeffM | SDL should be able to do GL anywhere IIRC |
| 03:58.05 | TimRiker | ponders bzflag on the console. |
| 03:58.26 | TimRiker | aabzflag anyone? |
| 03:58.29 | JeffM | it may not display it ;) |
| 03:58.38 | JeffM | tho I belive SDL depends on X |
| 03:59.06 | TimRiker | yeah, but that's implicit, not explicit. not a biggie, just passing on the comment. :) |
| 03:59.51 | JeffM | goes back to running more .exe files on bsd |
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| 04:24.06 | Flash | does anyone use the cmd-line svn client? |
| 04:25.33 | Flash | or more precisely, if you modify the list of files below the "do not modify here" line, does it have an effect on what it committed? |
| 04:36.18 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r18486 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/debian/ (changelog.in control rules): debian release with -data deb |
| 04:53.26 | Flash | can the client have (read) access to server BZDB vars? |
| 04:53.51 | blast007 | it gets all the ones that start with _ |
| 04:54.31 | Flash | ok, because the score calculation is done on both the client and the server, and I set a BZDB var for the server and I want the client to use it. That's OK? |
| 04:55.17 | blast007 | why is the client doing any calculation for score? |
| 04:55.24 | Flash | why ask why? |
| 04:55.38 | Flash | I thought about that, and figured to fix it would be a protocol change |
| 04:56.00 | blast007 | change protocol then ;) |
| 04:56.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:56.12 | Flash | I'm not averse, just taking it one step at a time |
| 04:56.20 | blast007 | technically, you're "changing protocol" anyway |
| 04:56.23 | JeffM | client should not to ANY score calcs in trunk now |
| 04:56.26 | Flash | how's that? |
| 04:56.27 | JeffM | if it does they get blown out |
| 04:56.27 | blast007 | protocol isn't just the network protocol |
| 04:56.39 | JeffM | proto is game behavor |
| 04:56.43 | Flash | ok |
| 04:56.54 | Flash | but we only version network interface, right? |
| 04:57.03 | JeffM | yes an no |
| 04:57.10 | JeffM | we bump that version on game only changes too |
| 04:57.21 | JeffM | it's kinda a catchall "compatability" thingy |
| 05:00.54 | JeffM | the client can read all vars |
| 05:01.01 | JeffM | just look at _tankSpeed ;) |
| 05:03.15 | BulletCatcher | Flash: I suspect that modifying the list of files shown in the commit message will have no effect, and svn will commit them all. |
| 05:03.17 | BulletCatcher | I have sometimes had to temporarily revert modified files that I was not ready to commit because of the built-in recursive nature of the svn commit operation. |
| 05:07.11 | Flash | BulletCatcher: fortunately, it was a non-issue this time; usually I explicitly commit files if I have others I'm not ready for |
| 05:07.47 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18487 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Make the default rank a BZDB parameter (_defaultRank) that can be set as desired |
| 05:08.48 | BulletCatcher | Ah. In my case I was committing property changes on directories, but I did not want to commit changes to files underneath. There is no syntax for a non-recursive commit of a directory. |
| 05:08.50 | JeffM | what did you set the defualtvalue to? |
| 05:09.08 | blast007 | _defaultRank isn't really all that descriptive ;) |
| 05:09.38 | Flash | no? it's the rank you get by default when you have no kills/deaths |
| 05:09.47 | Flash | you want _rankWhenNoKillsOrDeaths? |
| 05:09.57 | JeffM | _initalRabbitRank |
| 05:10.05 | Flash | it's not just for rabbit |
| 05:10.13 | JeffM | _initalRank |
| 05:10.17 | JeffM | _startingRang |
| 05:10.17 | Flash | although no one ever displays it, I suspect |
| 05:10.22 | blast007 | what else uses rank? |
| 05:10.33 | Flash | when you sort by "normalized score" |
| 05:10.39 | blast007 | ah |
| 05:10.52 | Flash | no other use affects gameplay, that I can think of |
| 05:10.54 | JeffM | default means something else, i'd use inital or starting |
| 05:11.01 | JeffM | but what value did you use? |
| 05:11.01 | Flash | ok, that's easy |
| 05:11.04 | JeffM | the old default? |
| 05:11.05 | Flash | .5 |
| 05:11.07 | Flash | yes |
| 05:11.10 | JeffM | cool |
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| 05:19.20 | Flash | takes forever to recompile when you change StateDatabase.h |
| 05:19.54 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18488 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Changed _defaultRank to _startingRank |
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| 06:30.09 | Flash | where's the magic code to change when making a protocol change? |
| 06:30.55 | BulletCatcher | src/date/buildDate.cxx and configure.ac |
| 06:34.14 | Flash | AC_REVISION? |
| 06:34.38 | BulletCatcher | No, just the AC_INIT line in configure.ac |
| 06:34.49 | BulletCatcher | 2.99.5 -> 2.99.6 |
| 06:34.54 | Flash | oh? |
| 06:35.10 | BulletCatcher | The revision is automatically generated by svn. |
| 06:35.40 | Flash | so I should change BZ_REV in buildDate.cxx? |
| 06:36.05 | Flash | why not just BZ_PROTO_VERSION? |
| 06:36.38 | BulletCatcher | Previous protocol updates have changed both. |
| 06:37.10 | BulletCatcher | It makes it easier to see that an incompatible change has been made. |
| 06:38.24 | Flash | any idea about the version number in package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi? |
| 06:38.39 | Flash | ir is .5_07212008 |
| 06:38.43 | Flash | *it |
| 06:38.47 | BulletCatcher | No one else has bothered with that recently. |
| 06:38.53 | Flash | oh... must be mmddyyyy |
| 06:42.03 | BulletCatcher | JeffM updated BZFlag.nsi when he built a development version for Windows. Other than that, it has not kept up with other protocol changes. |
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| 08:19.23 | Flash | BulletCatcher: I made the protocol changes, but my server is reporting BZFS0063 and my client is expecting BZFS0064 |
| 08:19.40 | Flash | looks like the server isn't picking something up (or there's a cache somewhere I need to clear |
| 08:19.44 | Flash | sleeps |
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| 15:10.55 | blast007 | Flash: I find that sometimes I have to run 'make clean' inside of src/date/ to get protocol version changes to take effect |
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| 16:05.10 | bugQ | Wow, this is horrible. |
| 16:05.14 | bugQ | Have I failed yet? |
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| 16:07.10 | blast007 | bugQ: what's horrible? |
| 16:07.50 | bugQ | Well, I said on my dev blog that I'd be working on the project, which I haven't been able to do yet, because of school and everything else. |
| 16:08.27 | bugQ | Also, the power went out at my house and I had to get to Barnes&Noble to get internet again. |
| 16:09.02 | bugQ | And I just found out that the deadline for final evals is tomorrow, not today. :P |
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| 17:09.06 | BulletCatcher | Flash: when everything is working properly, in src/bzfs/Makefile the bzfs_DEPENDENCIES line will include ../date/libDate.la and then src/bzfs/bzfs will be newer than src/date/libDate.la after a top-level "make" command. |
| 17:09.52 | BulletCatcher | Also, be sure you are running the bzfs you just built. |
| 17:11.51 | BulletCatcher | If all else fails, a "make distclean" followed by autogen, configure, make will get the job done. That should be done anyway after changing the top-level configure.ac file. |
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| 17:52.07 | TJ13820 | Hi, i just compiled bzflag 2.0.13 on Ubuntu 8.04 and no Plugins will compile/work. all i get is a "plugin".a and "plugin".la |
| 17:52.37 | TJ13820 | I tried --enable-share --enable-plugins but to no avail. Shouldn't plugins compile by default? |
| 17:53.47 | blast007 | did you look in plugins/pluginname/.libs (or .lib, I forget) ? |
| 17:53.57 | TJ13820 | yes, same thing. |
| 17:54.05 | TJ13820 | .la and .l |
| 17:54.07 | TJ13820 | .a* |
| 17:54.08 | blast007 | do you have libtool installed? |
| 17:54.13 | TJ13820 | yes |
| 17:54.23 | blast007 | --enable-shared should work for 2.0.x |
| 17:54.29 | blast007 | you passed that to configure? |
| 17:54.41 | TJ13820 | yeah |
| 17:54.54 | TJ13820 | does the source need chmodded? |
| 17:55.19 | blast007 | eh |
| 17:55.31 | blast007 | no |
| 17:55.34 | TJ13820 | okay |
| 17:55.41 | TJ13820 | then it should just "work" |
| 17:55.51 | TJ13820 | i'll try again |
| 17:55.53 | blast007 | assuming your system is set up right, yes ;) |
| 17:56.02 | TJ13820 | how do you remove the old bzflag compilation? |
| 17:56.12 | blast007 | 'make clean' |
| 17:56.21 | TJ13820 | no, in the system, not the source folder |
| 17:56.36 | blast007 | you did a 'make instal' ? |
| 17:56.40 | blast007 | make uninstall |
| 17:56.49 | blast007 | (as root, of course) |
| 17:57.03 | TJ13820 | ah |
| 17:57.05 | TJ13820 | that's it |
| 17:57.07 | TJ13820 | thank's |
| 17:57.09 | blast007 | np |
| 17:59.04 | TJ13820 | finished configuring with the folling: curses: -lncurses SDL bzadmin bzflag client |
| 17:59.09 | TJ13820 | so it should work now |
| 18:04.23 | blast007 | maybe |
| 18:04.45 | blast007 | the ending status stuff doesn't mention plugins, even if they are going to build |
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| 18:30.30 | TJ13820 | blast007: plugins compiled this time, but now i have a "BZ_Load method error" do i need to CHMOD the plugins executable? |
| 18:34.00 | TJ13820 | nevermind |
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| 20:26.21 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r18489 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/debian/copyright: debian copyright clarification - (Closes #497434) |
| 20:33.05 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r18490 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/debian/buildsnap: allow PKGVER setting |
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| 21:02.14 | Flash | where does the server keep its persistent BZDB database? |
| 21:02.44 | Flash | my client and server are now talking to each other, but the server doesn't see the name change for _startingRank |
| 21:02.52 | Flash | it still has _defaultRank |
| 21:02.58 | Flash | or the client does? |
| 21:03.24 | Flash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.44 | Flash | or it doesn't matter because I've clearly screwed up the protocol |
| 21:05.24 | Flash | when I join a second tank, he sees the first tank with 10,028 TKs .... I'm not a nice player, I guess |
| 21:06.02 | Flash | (the first letter of the callsign is being interpreted as a value) |
| 21:07.14 | Flash | note for blast007 and BulletCatcher I did a make maintainer-clean followed by ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-freetype-build --enable-debug && make |
| 21:07.30 | Flash | so ANY unresolved make dependency issues should have been obliterated |
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| 21:25.54 | blast007 | did you update the version string in src/date/BuildDate.cxx ? (iirc, it's there) |
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| 21:42.28 | donny_baker | Thumper_: :) |
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| 21:47.08 | Thumper_ | hi donny_baker |
| 21:51.13 | WWCD | need help in planet mofo, pls? |
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| 22:07.40 | BulletCatcher | Flash: The only thing I can think of is that you are running the wrong bzfs binary. Perhaps you have an older version running that you forgot to kill. |
| 22:07.41 | BulletCatcher | A "strings bzfs | grep Rank" command should show you the name of your BZDB variable in any particular executable. |
| 22:09.14 | BulletCatcher | Either you are running the wrong version or it was built wrong. The "strings" command should help determine which it is. |
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| 22:16.02 | BulletCatcher | Another thing: "default" is 7 characters and "starting" is 8. An over-the-wire mismatch by one byte could easily manifest itself as the high TK count. |
| 22:30.09 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18492 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/global.cxx: One last instance of _defaultRank -> _startingRank. |
| 22:30.18 | BulletCatcher | That ought to fix it. |
| 22:30.19 | Flash | oops |
| 22:30.35 | Flash | yes,that makes sense |
| 22:31.09 | BulletCatcher | The "strings" command on bzfs showed both variable names. |
| 22:40.51 | Flash | but I rebuilt and had the same issue. I'm pretty sure (one of) my problem(s) is the change I'm trying to make to the protocol isn't symmetric yet |
| 22:41.20 | Flash | I really want to encapsulate all the messages, but that's too big a change at this time on trunk |
| 22:41.57 | BulletCatcher | is not yet done building r18492 |
| 22:45.07 | Flash | yes, it definitely is my protocol change |
| 22:45.23 | Flash | ok, time to back it all out and start again |
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| 23:28.27 | Flash | here's another weird rabbit hunt question: should you blink if you have the highed (kills-deaths) score, but not the highest rank? |
| 23:29.16 | Flash | ponder that, while I have a neighborhood cookout |
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| 23:40.54 | spldart | Party in my neighborhood. The block, lets just say very bad person, just moved out. :) |
| 23:41.36 | BulletCatcher | Hope Osama bin Laden doesn't move in. ;-) |
| 23:43.11 | spldart | Terrible ;) |
| 23:44.11 | spldart | I am a bit concerned about rif raf. The bad neighbor defaulted on her mortgage. Means that sucker will be up very cheap. Cheaper than the rest of us bought in at. |
| 23:45.44 | BulletCatcher | Housing prices are down everywhere, but it is a problem only if you want to sell soon. They'll go back up. |
| 23:47.13 | spldart | One can hope :) For now I'm enjoying a lower tax cuz of a lowering county appraisal on housing. Since i'm in for the long hall I'm not concerned about resell value |
| 23:47.30 | spldart | s/hall/haul |
| 23:47.59 | BulletCatcher | Same here. |
| 23:48.06 | spldart | Kewlio |
| 23:51.07 | Think_Differentl | spldart, buy two houses ;) |
| 23:52.30 | spldart | hehe.. I'm struggling as it is. Mouths to feed and all that :) |
| 23:55.03 | BulletCatcher | This is interesting: it looks like all of the the .wav files in the data directory acquired an ending newline somewhere in the transition from branch to trunk. |
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