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| 01:22.55 | delusional | ~seen ahs3 |
| 01:23.12 | ibot | ahs3 <n=alvin@adsl-065-005-193-158.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 303d 2h 41m 12s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
| 01:23.42 | delusional | what? he changed his IRC name? |
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| 02:13.49 | Winny | blast007, BZBB admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13015 - spam |
| 02:16.12 | AHA | heh |
| 02:32.46 | blast007 | geez |
| 02:38.27 | blast007 | gone, thx Winny |
| 02:38.32 | Winny | sure |
| 02:38.45 | blast007 | wonder if we have any real users from that ISP..oh well ;) |
| 02:40.07 | Winny | ;) |
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| 04:16.49 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18500 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/data/fonts/DejaVu.License: Add Subversion svn:eol-style=native property. |
| 04:35.12 | Flash | hey BulletCatcher... is that what causes files to come up in "DOS" mode when I view them... wrong property? |
| 04:35.21 | Flash | and if so, can you tell me how to fix it? |
| 04:42.50 | rtfm | "On 2008-09-04 at 04:00 UTC, Subversion service write operations will be offline for no more than 24 hours." |
| 05:14.51 | BulletCatcher | Flash: "svn propinfo -v dir/file" to see properties, "svn propset svn:eol-style native dir/file" to set a text file to native line endings, then commit as usual. |
| 05:16.09 | Flash | should all files have the native EOL property? |
| 05:16.22 | BulletCatcher | Only text files. |
| 05:16.26 | Flash | the "offending" files I've seen are all windows-only (I think) |
| 05:16.46 | BulletCatcher | Oh. Some of them are deliberately set to CRLF. |
| 05:17.01 | Flash | but shouldn't native work also? |
| 05:17.19 | Flash | that would be CRLF on windows, no? |
| 05:17.48 | BulletCatcher | Older versions of MSVC couldn't deal with the wrong line endings. |
| 05:18.18 | blast007 | Flash: but if someone on linux makes the .zip or tar.gz, it will have the linux line endings |
| 05:18.31 | blast007 | source .zip, that is |
| 05:18.35 | BulletCatcher | What he said. |
| 05:19.19 | JeffM | dosn't mean anything for trunk |
| 05:19.27 | JeffM | since it's VC8+ |
| 05:22.20 | BulletCatcher | So it shouldn't be a problem if we were to change, say, the .vcproj files in trunk to native, right? |
| 05:22.21 | BulletCatcher | On the other hand, there isn't a strong reason to do so. |
| 05:22.22 | blast007 | JeffM: is the Release_Distribution target known to be broken? |
| 05:22.36 | JeffM | blast007: haven't tried it in a while |
| 05:22.39 | JeffM | what does it do? |
| 05:22.44 | blast007 | I had like 680 errors |
| 05:22.48 | JeffM | ouch |
| 05:22.50 | blast007 | linker errors |
| 05:22.54 | JeffM | hmm |
| 05:22.55 | JeffM | odd |
| 05:22.56 | BulletCatcher | 640 should be enough :-) |
| 05:23.01 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:23.12 | JeffM | what was one of em? |
| 05:24.21 | blast007 | game.lib(ServerList.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: bool __thiscall PingPacket::read(int,struct sockaddr_in *)" (?read@PingPacket@@QAE_NHPAUsockaddr_in@@@Z) |
| 05:24.26 | blast007 | from the bzflag project |
| 05:24.40 | JeffM | hmm looks like the deps aren't set right |
| 05:24.51 | blast007 | yeah, I wasn't sure how to fix it |
| 05:24.59 | JeffM | fullbuild or just bzflag.sln? |
| 05:25.05 | blast007 | bzflag.sln |
| 05:27.44 | JeffM | so far all I have is missing glew |
| 05:28.10 | blast007 | hmm |
| 05:28.17 | JeffM | but it's still going |
| 05:28.19 | blast007 | k |
| 05:28.27 | JeffM | it's doing bzfs and bzflag right now |
| 05:28.30 | blast007 | I even did a new checkout and tried that |
| 05:28.34 | JeffM | oooo lookit that |
| 05:29.05 | blast007 | I've seen some stuff like this too: |
| 05:29.06 | blast007 | ftgl_static.lib(FTTextureFont.obj) : MSIL .netmodule or module compiled with /GL found; restarting link with /LTCG; add /LTCG to the link command line to improve linker performance |
| 05:29.49 | blast007 | not sure if it's related or not |
| 05:30.56 | JeffM | does regular release work? |
| 05:32.08 | blast007 | I can try |
| 05:32.53 | JeffM | oooo. the net project is jacked |
| 05:33.00 | JeffM | right click on it and try to open it |
| 05:34.53 | blast007 | on the .vcproj file? |
| 05:35.00 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:35.13 | blast007 | I was able to open it |
| 05:35.21 | JeffM | when in release_distro? |
| 05:36.14 | JeffM | in the sln it's set to try and build with release_distro as the target |
| 05:36.16 | JeffM | but it dosnt' have one |
| 05:36.18 | blast007 | okay...so maybe I'm not doing what you're wanting ;) |
| 05:36.21 | JeffM | it only has debug and release |
| 05:36.26 | blast007 | oh |
| 05:36.36 | blast007 | okay, I noticed that :) |
| 05:36.57 | JeffM | so it never actualy builds net |
| 05:37.03 | JeffM | and can't link to it |
| 05:37.10 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18501 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzflag.sln: net dosn't have release_distribution so have it use regular release |
| 05:37.13 | JeffM | that fixes it |
| 05:37.23 | blast007 | k |
| 05:38.11 | JeffM | fullbuild was set correctly |
| 05:38.16 | JeffM | that's why I never saw it |
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| 14:05.12 | RatOmeter | hasn't Sk3letr0n just about earned a masterban yet? |
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| 14:21.57 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18502 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Fix a few inconsistencies with plugins (SAMPLE_PLUGIN was referred to in chatlog, and webstats in webReport) |
| 14:23.04 | BulletCatcher | RatOmeter: Sk3letr0n was added to master-bans.txt on August 11, but a restart or a "/masterban reload" command must be done on each server to make the change take effect. |
| 14:23.31 | rtfm | BulletCatcher: the masterban list is updated on a server every 30 minutes |
| 14:25.16 | rtfm | at least, afaik |
| 14:26.06 | BulletCatcher | I can't find the code that would do that. |
| 14:26.56 | rtfm | yeah, neither can I |
| 14:27.16 | rtfm | that's rather stupid though |
| 14:27.43 | BulletCatcher | Yes. Automatically reloading it once a day or so would be a good idea. |
| 14:33.09 | rtfm | guess I'm so used to the serverControl plugin reloading the masterban for me ;) |
| 14:38.05 | BulletCatcher | That would do it if the server owner has his own process for updating a local copy of the master ban file. |
| 14:38.23 | rtfm | yup |
| 14:39.18 | rtfm | maybe the solution is to get more people running servers on Windows. That way, because of the constant reboots, the masterban list will get updated more often. |
| 14:39.21 | rtfm | ducks |
| 14:39.25 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 14:39.38 | spldart | LOL |
| 14:51.31 | RatOmeter | rtfm ;) |
| 14:53.40 | rtfm | for those interested, I just posted a 2.99.5 windows installer on the Game Releases and Versions forum |
| 14:53.48 | rtfm | built from today's source |
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| 15:04.02 | rtfm | whoops, helps if I actually *test* my installer |
| 15:09.16 | BulletCatcher | That's crazy talk! |
| 15:14.51 | rtfm | was missing a DLL for sure. Might be something else wrong with it, but I need to test on the machine downstairs (which doesn't have Visual Studio installed) |
| 15:16.01 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18503 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 15:16.01 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: Keep flags within the world boundary. |
| 15:16.01 | CIA-50 | BZFlag: This change is the most critical part of SF patch #1912871. |
| 15:24.52 | rtfm | wonder if I need some other msvc* DLL file |
| 15:27.05 | rtfm | bah, guess I'll ask JeffM later |
| 15:29.13 | BulletCatcher | My eyes! It is too early in the morning for a theme like Blue Tangerine at http://my.bzflag.org/serverlist.php . |
| 15:29.43 | rtfm | BulletCatcher: hehe.. |
| 15:30.09 | rtfm | think it was defaulting to 'industrial' before, but I wanted to wake everyone up ;) |
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| 16:03.24 | lukstr | oh man irssi confuses me so much |
| 16:04.13 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:05.51 | DTRemenak | alt+# switches windows |
| 16:06.23 | blast007 | as well as alt+q to alt+o, once you get more than 10 |
| 16:06.42 | DTRemenak | figured it was probably a safe bet he hadn't gotten there yet :) |
| 16:06.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:08.39 | DTRemenak | the right side of the status bar indicates which windows have activity. e.g. if it says "[Act: 4]" you can press Alt+4 to see what's going on on that window. |
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| 16:16.31 | blast007 | DTRemenak: any idea what causes an error like this? |
| 16:16.33 | blast007 | http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/17/29920080903gf4.png |
| 16:17.08 | DTRemenak | blast007: you don't have the correct revision of the runtime dlls |
| 16:17.09 | blast007 | I have msvcp80.dll and msvcr80.dll copied into the install directory |
| 16:17.23 | blast007 | hmm, wonder if some of my libs are built with old version |
| 16:17.26 | DTRemenak | 8.0 needs to be distributed by SxS, not to the app dir |
| 16:17.27 | blast007 | versions* |
| 16:17.46 | blast007 | SxS? |
| 16:18.13 | DTRemenak | side-by-side assemblies |
| 16:18.42 | blast007 | I tried also installing the Visual C++ 2005 redist package |
| 16:18.42 | DTRemenak | e.g. check c:\windows\winsxs on a normal windows installation |
| 16:19.00 | DTRemenak | make sure it's the same revision of the redist as you are building with |
| 16:19.07 | DTRemenak | i.e. if you have SP1 installed, you need the SP1 redists |
| 16:19.12 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:20.36 | blast007 | should we be distributing the redist package with BZFlag instead of the DLLs? |
| 16:21.10 | blast007 | I'll try the SP1 redist here quick, as soon as my VM boots |
| 16:21.56 | DTRemenak | yes, if we are building with vc8 we need to use the redist |
| 16:22.12 | DTRemenak | vc7 is the wierd one |
| 16:22.41 | DTRemenak | "install to the app dir" - cause that just makes so much sense for shared code ... |
| 16:25.25 | blast007 | okay, now I'm getting "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0150002). Click on OK to terminate the application." |
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| 16:25.41 | DTRemenak | fun |
| 16:27.11 | blast007 | could it be an issue if, say, GLEW was built with an older version of VC++? |
| 16:27.27 | DTRemenak | not usually |
| 16:27.38 | blast007 | k |
| 16:27.56 | DTRemenak | could be that some of the libs you're linking to are built debug, and the app is built release |
| 16:28.15 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:28.28 | DTRemenak | could be a manifest error |
| 16:28.36 | DTRemenak | could be an unclean build |
| 16:28.50 | blast007 | it runs on my development system, but it had 7.1 and 8.0 ;) |
| 16:29.04 | blast007 | k |
| 16:30.52 | blast007 | well, probably not glew |
| 16:30.56 | blast007 | none of the bins work |
| 16:31.05 | blast007 | rebuilds |
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| 16:34.10 | blast007 | JeffM2501: what PDCurses do you use for release builds? |
| 16:34.33 | JeffM2501 | I duno |
| 16:34.36 | JeffM2501 | there is one that works |
| 16:34.38 | JeffM2501 | and one that dosn't |
| 16:34.52 | blast007 | they have 4 different prebuilt ones.. :/ |
| 16:34.59 | JeffM2501 | I think the one I use I got from DTRemenak that he built |
| 16:35.14 | blast007 | k, guess I'll just build my own |
| 16:36.23 | Abominable | I'm having an issue starting a server. |
| 16:36.39 | Abominable | When I try to start a server on a port, it says there's already one running. |
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| 16:37.03 | Abominable | So I try to connect to it/find it and they're is not one running under that port. |
| 16:37.15 | blast007 | did you change the port number with -p and also in -publicaddr? (the last one doesn't cause the error, just makes the server list as the right port) |
| 16:37.16 | JeffM2501 | what port? |
| 16:37.23 | Abominable | I check for an open screen for that port, and there's not and there isnot one open. |
| 16:37.30 | JeffM2501 | what port are you using? |
| 16:37.36 | Abominable | 4701 |
| 16:37.44 | JeffM2501 | did you add -p? |
| 16:37.50 | Abominable | Yes |
| 16:37.51 | JeffM2501 | with that port? |
| 16:38.01 | JeffM2501 | and add it to the publicaddr ? |
| 16:38.08 | blast007 | did you have a -i in your config? |
| 16:38.39 | Abominable | Ues |
| 16:38.44 | Abominable | Yes to both |
| 16:38.45 | JeffM2501 | do you have the NetXMS service running? |
| 16:38.48 | blast007 | with what IP? |
| 16:39.35 | Abominable | Hold on, I'm going to try switching the ports again, see if that does anything. |
| 16:41.34 | Abominable | I tried switching it to another port, and it didn't work. |
| 16:41.37 | Abominable | It gives me this http://pastebin.com/m473d2241 |
| 16:42.03 | JeffM2501 | the core problem that gives that error is that we can not open the socket |
| 16:42.11 | JeffM2501 | having the socket already open is the most common thing |
| 16:42.15 | Abominable | http://pastebin.com/m405cb47 |
| 16:42.22 | JeffM2501 | but there are other reasons we could not open the socket |
| 16:42.24 | Abominable | There's not one already open though. |
| 16:42.27 | JeffM2501 | 1) there arn't any left |
| 16:42.30 | JeffM2501 | or 2) permisions |
| 16:43.20 | Abominable | Hmm, I have the permissions for it and when I was given my space I was told I had ports 400-499 |
| 16:43.30 | Abominable | Dur 4700 - 4799 |
| 16:43.47 | Abominable | #1 seems plausible |
| 16:45.40 | JeffM2501 | talk to the system administrator |
| 16:45.54 | JeffM2501 | who runs it? |
| 16:46.00 | Abominable | Thanks for the help. |
| 16:46.02 | Abominable | Optic |
| 16:46.13 | blast007 | also verify that the -i matches the IP address of the server |
| 16:46.56 | blast007 | the one you have in there does not (assuming you're trying it on the mofo server) |
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| 16:48.02 | Abominable | Alright it started up, but I'm having an IP Aliases problem. |
| 16:48.13 | Abominable | Like my IP Aliases expired, but I just made a new one last night. |
| 16:48.39 | blast007 | might take 48 hours to propigate |
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| 16:49.00 | blast007 | DNS has cache, and it takes time to expire |
| 16:49.08 | Abominable | k |
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| 17:48.01 | blast007 | okay, finally got that build to work :P |
| 17:48.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:49.46 | blast007 | JeffM2501: per a discussion with DTR, I guess the proper way for VC8+ is to distribute the VC 2005 Redist package instead of the DLLs themself |
| 17:52.56 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 17:52.59 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 17:53.14 | JeffM2501 | we should have nsis detect if they are setup and call the isntaller if needed |
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| 18:14.25 | blast007 | JeffM2501: assuming we can do that :) |
| 18:14.55 | JeffM2501 | it's a common enough task that I"m sure nsis has a method for it |
| 18:15.04 | JeffM2501 | if not we can do it with a MSI script if needed |
| 18:16.09 | blast007 | http://nsis.sourceforge.net/VC_8.0_Redistributables |
| 18:16.20 | blast007 | (The comment page has some more info) |
| 18:16.25 | blast007 | so yeah, we can test for it |
| 18:16.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah figured it wasn't that hard of a task, as we ain't the only ones with the issue ;) |
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| 19:13.44 | spamrams | hey guys .. have a problem |
| 19:14.06 | spamrams | I am trying to start a single player game in linux |
| 19:14.12 | spamrams | and I am going only in observer mode |
| 19:14.23 | KTL | try another server |
| 19:14.34 | spamrams | I am connecting to my own server |
| 19:14.45 | spamrams | which I started using ./bzfs |
| 19:15.09 | spamrams | I am usign bzflag-2.0.10 |
| 19:15.19 | KTL | could the max player amount be 0 ? |
| 19:15.41 | KTL | you can connect as something else to another server i hope |
| 19:15.43 | spamrams | I started clinet using ./bzflag -solo 5 |
| 19:16.04 | spamrams | Immaterial of what server I try I always get connected as an observer |
| 19:16.12 | spamrams | I tried joining a couple of games as well |
| 19:16.24 | spamrams | but had the same problem |
| 19:19.25 | spamrams | any suggestions? |
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| 19:27.53 | KTL | aaah |
| 19:27.54 | KTL | simople |
| 19:28.02 | KTL | most servers dont like you having robots |
| 19:28.18 | KTL | so they will reject you if you use the - solo option |
| 19:28.45 | KTL | (he left yes good i saw it) |
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| 19:34.02 | JeffM2501 | he was talking about his own server |
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| 19:59.23 | Rammy | Hello! |
| 19:59.31 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 19:59.39 | me1 | hello |
| 20:00.06 | Rammy | I have been working on Bzflags for past 3-4 months as a part of a larger research my prof is doing. |
| 20:00.26 | Winny | "BZFlag", there is no s |
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| 20:00.47 | Rammy | And we are exploring ways of porting bzflags on to machines with loew computational power like |
| 20:00.55 | Rammy | sorry :) |
| 20:01.04 | Winny | now you know :) |
| 20:01.04 | Rammy | hand held etc |
| 20:01.22 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 20:01.50 | Rammy | 1. as a benchmark appln for a seamless application |
| 20:02.01 | JeffM2501 | in general our major CPU usage is drawing |
| 20:02.11 | Rammy | exactly |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM2501 | so you are just making a fast software rendering system? |
| 20:02.28 | Rammy | and hand helds typically dont have GPUs or FPAs |
| 20:03.03 | Rammy | so I was wondering if I could offload the graphic pipeline to a local server |
| 20:03.21 | Rammy | and send back the results |
| 20:03.27 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of data |
| 20:03.39 | JeffM2501 | I'd think that'd be slower then an optimised rendering system |
| 20:03.50 | JeffM2501 | what screen size? |
| 20:03.55 | Rammy | yeah I know.. I am not expecting a 30 fm per second |
| 20:04.11 | JeffM2501 | I doubt you'll get 1 fps |
| 20:04.17 | Rammy | ha ha :) |
| 20:04.26 | Rammy | really? |
| 20:04.41 | Rammy | Its not a server over a netowkr |
| 20:04.44 | JeffM2501 | try and stream video to it the same way |
| 20:04.47 | Rammy | I mean intenet |
| 20:04.50 | Winny | JeffM2501 does not make jokes ;) |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | Winny, yes do :) |
| 20:04.59 | JeffM2501 | this just wasn't one of em |
| 20:05.05 | Winny | :) |
| 20:05.10 | JeffM2501 | Rammy, that would add massive lag |
| 20:05.38 | JeffM2501 | you are looking at 600k in data for an 8 bit image |
| 20:05.46 | Rammy | Then what would be a solution to it? considering I dun have GPUs |
| 20:05.49 | JeffM2501 | that's going to take a lot of TCP to transm,it |
| 20:05.57 | JeffM2501 | do a software rendering system |
| 20:06.09 | JeffM2501 | there are many |
| 20:06.13 | JeffM2501 | heck even mesa has one |
| 20:06.27 | JeffM2501 | you just do a lower quality rendering |
| 20:06.56 | Rammy | software rendering system? |
| 20:07.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:07.12 | JeffM2501 | you write software to do the rendering |
| 20:07.14 | JeffM2501 | on the CPU |
| 20:07.21 | Winny | as in, not the GP... beat me |
| 20:07.23 | JeffM2501 | it's how we all did 3d before we had GPUs ;) |
| 20:07.23 | Winny | grr |
| 20:07.41 | Rammy | ohh .. |
| 20:07.58 | JeffM2501 | you can take a lot of shortcuts if you write it correctly |
| 20:08.03 | JeffM2501 | heck even mesa has one |
| 20:08.08 | JeffM2501 | basicly optimise it for what you have |
| 20:08.20 | JeffM2501 | don't do textures |
| 20:08.21 | Rammy | Is there any literature on it? |
| 20:08.34 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah it's an entire FIELD of graphics programing. |
| 20:08.56 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should be going over this with your professor? |
| 20:09.01 | Rammy | and how hard would it be to port it in Bzflag |
| 20:09.12 | JeffM2501 | that's a loaded question |
| 20:09.19 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is dependent on openGL |
| 20:09.30 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted to use a software GL implemenation, like mesa, it'd be nothing |
| 20:09.46 | JeffM2501 | if you want something more optimal, it would depend on what you come up with |
| 20:09.53 | JeffM2501 | what hardware are you porting to? |
| 20:10.02 | Rammy | Ohhh.. thanks |
| 20:10.17 | Rammy | we have a ninetendo right now |
| 20:10.26 | JeffM2501 | a nindendo what? |
| 20:11.04 | Rammy | ninetendo DS |
| 20:11.29 | JeffM2501 | you have an official SDK? or you hacking it out with a crack? |
| 20:11.32 | Winny | can you even run a non-proprietary OS on that thing? |
| 20:12.00 | Rammy | wait |
| 20:12.02 | JeffM2501 | the DS has hardware acceleration and you could get/write a decent redering system for it |
| 20:12.12 | JeffM2501 | that is if you are an offical dev and have access to the SDK |
| 20:12.34 | JeffM2501 | if you are trying to hack it out by cracking the thing then you are kinda on your own, and that's a seperate deal |
| 20:12.51 | JeffM2501 | we don't really discuss cracking of hardware/software systems here, as we respect software copyright. |
| 20:13.08 | JeffM2501 | the DS is not an open platform |
| 20:14.23 | JeffM2501 | I would expect a DS port to take 6-8 months for an experienced DS developer |
| 20:14.44 | JeffM2501 | they would basicly just rewrite the entire thing for the DS |
| 20:15.03 | JeffM2501 | since you'd want to take advantage of the DS hardware/game mechanics. |
| 20:20.46 | JeffM2501 | did I break him? |
| 20:21.05 | me1 | noticed you are very discouraging. |
| 20:21.20 | Erroneous | sometimes the truth is discouraging |
| 20:21.28 | Erroneous | doesn't mean you shouldn't say it |
| 20:21.29 | JeffM2501 | I try not to be, but I hate to see people fail because they didn't know what they were getting into |
| 20:21.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:21.34 | JeffM2501 | it's VERY possible |
| 20:21.47 | JeffM2501 | it's just not going to be a "drop in" thing |
| 20:22.01 | JeffM2501 | more people start and quit because they don't know what they are getting into |
| 20:22.21 | JeffM2501 | specialy if this is a school project, it should be VERY well defined at the start |
| 20:22.39 | JeffM2501 | not just 'LOL make the game run on 'portable' hardware" |
| 20:23.05 | JeffM2501 | if his programing focus is on rendering and graphics, doing a software renderer can be very rewarding |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM2501 | if it's a general programing thing, then it will lead to nothing more then frustration |
| 20:23.33 | Constitution | breathes again |
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| 20:23.57 | JeffM2501 | Constitution, dude I swear it was the dog. |
| 20:24.15 | Winny | haha |
| 20:24.40 | me1 | heh |
| 20:24.53 | JeffM2501 | I assume google notified everyone of grades? |
| 20:25.03 | Constitution | they're posted |
| 20:25.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:25.09 | Constitution | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-bzflag/ |
| 20:25.27 | Wyk3d | by grade you mean passed/not |
| 20:25.32 | Wyk3d | ? |
| 20:25.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:25.37 | JeffM2501 | did they announce that yet? |
| 20:25.39 | Wyk3d | got that yeah :) |
| 20:25.45 | Wyk3d | still waiting for my email though |
| 20:25.47 | JeffM2501 | we submited our stuff |
| 20:25.57 | JeffM2501 | didn't know when they notified you guys |
| 20:26.06 | Wyk3d | right now, an hour ago |
| 20:26.10 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:26.19 | Erroneous | "The results of final evaluations are now available for all student participants in the web app. In order to obtain your final evaluation score, please login and check your student dashboard." |
| 20:26.24 | JeffM2501 | ya all did good work. |
| 20:26.38 | Erroneous | sees JeffM2501 keeps close tabs on gsoc-announce :P |
| 20:26.50 | JeffM2501 | dude, it has like 600 unread messages |
| 20:26.58 | Erroneous | announce? |
| 20:26.59 | JeffM2501 | I never look at it |
| 20:27.05 | Erroneous | has only had like 12 messages all year |
| 20:27.07 | JeffM2501 | I have it all in one groups folder |
| 20:27.12 | JeffM2501 | on my igoogle home page |
| 20:27.16 | JeffM2501 | so I just never click it |
| 20:27.19 | Erroneous | mentors, yeah, I totally don't read that |
| 20:27.20 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm scared |
| 20:27.50 | JeffM2501 | so it's down to you and me and tim if he can go to the summit |
| 20:28.05 | Rammy | back .. sorry for the delay :) |
| 20:28.09 | Erroneous | did he submit his program survey? |
| 20:28.14 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 20:28.25 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, did you submit a program survey? |
| 20:28.54 | Rammy | Its not a ninetendo DS. I got confused. |
| 20:29.00 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 20:29.00 | Rammy | Its a freescale processsor |
| 20:29.09 | JeffM2501 | don't even know what that is |
| 20:29.14 | Rammy | witha linux port on it |
| 20:29.21 | Wyk3d | chuckles at all the possible ways of misspelling nintendo |
| 20:29.23 | JeffM2501 | but basicly the crux is this, what is the goal of your project? |
| 20:29.30 | JeffM2501 | is it graphics, or other stuff? |
| 20:29.43 | Rammy | No its not graphics |
| 20:29.55 | JeffM2501 | then just use mesa for rendering and do the rest |
| 20:30.28 | Rammy | ohh okay. but the main point of this whole game was |
| 20:30.29 | JeffM2501 | does it have x windows? |
| 20:30.36 | Rammy | yeah it doesn |
| 20:30.38 | Rammy | does |
| 20:30.42 | JeffM2501 | then should be ake |
| 20:30.44 | JeffM2501 | cake |
| 20:31.05 | Rammy | But the objective is not making it run on hand held |
| 20:31.12 | JeffM2501 | what is the objective? |
| 20:31.31 | Rammy | The objective initally was to identify modular parts in the game |
| 20:31.35 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:31.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah we don't have any of those :) |
| 20:31.41 | Rammy | and port them to different servers |
| 20:31.57 | JeffM2501 | and your prof picked bzflag? |
| 20:31.58 | Rammy | and then when a client plays with it |
| 20:32.10 | JeffM2501 | he/she must hate you guys |
| 20:32.15 | Rammy | seamlessly connect to the servers |
| 20:32.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah I get the idea now |
| 20:32.39 | JeffM2501 | we arn't really modular |
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| 20:32.55 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is close to 14 years old now, it was not made to be modular |
| 20:32.57 | Rammy | yeah I know. I have been looking into the code for 2-3 months now |
| 20:33.12 | Winny | you poor soul :p |
| 20:33.16 | JeffM2501 | we try tio make it more modular as we go, but things like rendering and gamestate are very much intermixed |
| 20:33.17 | Rammy | I added one feature |
| 20:33.21 | JeffM2501 | what was it? |
| 20:33.33 | Rammy | Like interfacing a camera with the game |
| 20:33.42 | Rammy | a camera as in feed from a web cam |
| 20:33.42 | Saturos | heya.. I was going to compile the 2.99 pre alpha thingie, but I get Permission Denied when trying to run ./autogen.sh.. I'm on OSX 10.5.4 and compiled 2.0.sth before.. any ideas? |
| 20:33.53 | JeffM2501 | Saturos, sudo |
| 20:33.54 | Erroneous | chmod +x autogen.sh |
| 20:33.58 | JeffM2501 | or that |
| 20:34.02 | Constitution | lol, sudo |
| 20:34.05 | Saturos | k, I thought about that too |
| 20:34.05 | JeffM2501 | or sh |
| 20:34.22 | Erroneous | yeah, or do "sh ./autogen.sh" |
| 20:34.40 | Saturos | ok, that last one seems to work |
| 20:34.52 | Saturos | or not |
| 20:35.06 | Rammy | so now if I have a camera connected to my comp, the texture of the game would be the things the camera point to |
| 20:36.32 | Rammy | So the camera is a separate module now :) |
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| 20:36.36 | JeffM2501 | well writing new stuff and making it modular is easier then ripping and making stuff modular |
| 20:36.52 | JeffM2501 | as Constitution and I found out with shots :) |
| 20:37.34 | Constitution | indeed |
| 20:37.41 | Rammy | ohhhh.. yeah and I pulled off the keyboard and the associated speed things to a different server too |
| 20:38.37 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:40.16 | Rammy | So I am looking for more modules like this, modules which have states (the modules right now are stateless) , so that eventually when a user moves in an environment, the associated states migrate across the new servers and connect to the client |
| 20:40.26 | Erroneous | if you have multiple embedded devices with displays, it could be interesting to split off the various display elements onto independent machines |
| 20:40.35 | Erroneous | i.e. radar, console, etc |
| 20:41.06 | Rammy | Wow |
| 20:41.22 | JeffM2501 | really need libState and libClient then :) |
| 20:41.43 | Rammy | I dun understand the joke and the meaning jeff :) |
| 20:41.54 | JeffM2501 | ain't a joke |
| 20:41.58 | JeffM2501 | I want 3 libs |
| 20:42.01 | Erroneous | you'd need to play a bit with making sure the gl state didn't get screwy, and have the server send the state to all the involved machines, but other than that it should be straightforward |
| 20:42.07 | JeffM2501 | libGame, libState, and libClient |
| 20:42.23 | JeffM2501 | then a graphics engine that is buit on top of libState |
| 20:42.25 | Erroneous | maybe for 5.0 ;) |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM2501 | then we end up with a very modular system |
| 20:42.37 | JeffM2501 | we coudl use libClient already |
| 20:42.41 | JeffM2501 | since we have 3 clients |
| 20:42.42 | Winny | Erroneous: same time Dukem Nukem comes out? |
| 20:43.01 | Erroneous | Winny: no, I expect bzflag 5.0 before the universe dies of heat death :P |
| 20:43.10 | Winny | :p |
| 20:43.46 | donny_baker | Erroneous: are you generally so optimistic ;) |
| 20:43.51 | Erroneous | yes ;) |
| 20:44.34 | donny_baker | i had a request from Big Old Bucko (?) to abrove some images, told him I would say something |
| 20:44.40 | donny_baker | so I said it |
| 20:44.52 | donny_baker | approve even |
| 20:44.56 | Winny | eh? |
| 20:45.20 | donny_baker | on images.bzflag.org |
| 20:45.26 | Winny | oh yeah, textures |
| 20:45.37 | donny_baker | or reject them... it all works for me |
| 20:46.37 | JeffM2501 | I'll look at em |
| 20:46.43 | JeffM2501 | someone needs to move KoC's stuff into trunk |
| 20:48.55 | JeffM2501 | or osomeone else could just do them |
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| 20:50.34 | donny_baker | wonders who else has access |
| 20:51.00 | JeffM2501 | a number of people |
| 20:51.00 | JeffM2501 | probably even you |
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| 20:51.29 | donny_baker | if i do, i have no idea how.. i see nothing on images other than letting me submit |
| 20:51.39 | donny_baker | upload* |
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| 20:52.17 | JeffM2501 | see.. you shoulda kept your yap shut |
| 20:52.27 | JeffM2501 | wait till you login next time |
| 20:52.28 | donny_baker | hehe |
| 20:52.57 | donny_baker | on it |
| 20:53.10 | donny_baker | thanks |
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| 22:38.01 | Winny | JeffM2501: news textures for 3.0 still planned? |
| 22:38.23 | AAA_awright | news to me |
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| 22:59.05 | JeffM2501 | Winny, plan? |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | this word, I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 22:59.45 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:00.32 | Constitution | hmmm, my GSoC diff is 14,117 lines |
| 23:00.42 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:00.55 | Constitution | if people didn't know better, they'd think that's a pretty good summer of coding :P |
| 23:01.16 | JeffM2501 | I think you had a good summer of coding |
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| 23:14.04 | MindstormsKid | guess what |
| 23:14.06 | MindstormsKid | Sk3 was in Jef's four-team Aztec ballcourt and didn't cheat |
| 23:14.40 | Winny | ok, and? |
| 23:15.00 | MindstormsKid | just saying, grouchy :P |
| 23:15.04 | Winny | :P |
| 23:15.16 | MindstormsKid | ;) |
| 23:15.28 | Winny | That's actually my BZBB rank :) |
| 23:15.41 | me1 | hmm.. I wonder why? ;) |
| 23:15.49 | Winny | mystery to me |
| 23:16.18 | MindstormsKid | i know it is, that's why i said it :P |
| 23:16.24 | Winny | ;) |
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