IRC log for #bzflag on 20081001

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01:03.24zach___hi
01:03.39zach___can someone help me with a flag zone?
01:03.46zach___just wanna make sure i have it right.
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01:17.11*** topic/#bzflag is Topic for #bzflag is: http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others || The shirt logo contest is over, may the best design win.
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01:17.15me1~yay
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05:16.29BulletCatcherHere is a bug you'll like, Flash.  Start a trunk server with "bzfs -cr" and get a random 4-team CTF map as expected.
05:16.31BulletCatcherStart it with "bzfs -cr -time 300" (to set a limit of 5 minutes per game) and the first player to join becomes the rabbit.
05:18.21BulletCatcherI assume there is some protocol madness occurring, but haven't looked into it yet.
05:27.28BulletCatcherOn the other hand, multiple players have the same view so it may just be a bzfs bug.
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05:27.33ducktape_hi
05:27.39BulletCatcherHowdy.
05:27.47ducktape_can anyone help with flag zones? lol
05:28.04BulletCatcherI can probably help.
05:28.16ducktape_ok
05:28.25ducktape_i wanna add one Geno flag to the middle of the map
05:28.41BulletCatcherSort of like Missile War?
05:28.51ducktape_yes
05:28.59ducktape_zone
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05:29.09ducktape_thats what i have..
05:29.10ducktape_erm but its wrong
05:29.14ducktape_its missing something
05:29.35BulletCatcheradd "zoneflag G 1" to it
05:30.35ducktape_k
05:30.48ducktape_and thats it right?
05:30.52BulletCatcherYup.
05:30.58ducktape_Sweetness you rock
05:31.00ducktape_:D
05:31.01ducktape_ty
05:31.09BulletCatcheryw.  Have fun.
05:31.12ducktape_k cu
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05:34.47ducktapehi
05:34.50ducktapeme again
05:35.09BulletCatcherYes?
05:35.13ducktapeok i'm looking in the wiki...
05:35.23ducktapei want Only that 1 geno flag
05:35.40ducktapehow do i get rid of the other flags but keep that geno?
05:35.54ducktapeis it a option i put in the bzw file?
05:36.17BulletCatcherYou probably have -f options to add flags.  Remove them.
05:36.37ducktapeno i dont
05:36.49ducktapebut i'm just texting it thru bzflag and the superflags option is yes
05:36.52ducktape:|
05:36.52BulletCatcherOh.  +f
05:36.53ducktapesorry
05:37.16ducktapek
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05:37.43ducktapeoops
05:37.50JeffMuse pastebin
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05:38.04ducktapeok..
05:38.05BulletCatcherThe +f option is adding the other flags.
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05:38.17ducktapei dont want other flags
05:38.19ducktapeso take it out?
05:38.21BulletCatcherYes.
05:38.26ducktapealrighty
05:38.37ducktapethanks
05:38.42BulletCatchernp
05:38.52ducktapeI think its ready for release..
05:38.53ducktapesoon
05:39.00ducktapeoh
05:39.03ducktapeone more thing
05:39.06ducktapeshot limit
05:39.25ducktapei want 1 shot
05:39.32ducktapeis that a server side thing?
05:39.37BulletCatcherAdd "-sl G 3" to limit the geno to 3 shots.
05:40.52ducktapeawesome thank you again
05:41.04BulletCatcherYou're welcome.
05:41.14ducktapenow i just need a name
05:41.16ducktape:D
05:41.23ducktapealright
05:41.25ducktapecu later
05:41.30BulletCatcherbye
05:44.32BulletCatcherI vote for "Don't Flood the Developers Channel" as a name for the map.
05:46.41JeffM2501"This nearly got me kicked.bzw"
05:47.54BulletCatcherThe mode +o would be more impressive if it had that standard movie sound effect of metal striking metal.
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18:51.54Winnyfor one small second I'm going to drop athiestism
18:51.59Winnypraise the lord!!! http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/
18:52.04WinnyK, I'm back.
18:52.17a_meteoriteforgot the capital L
18:52.25donny_bakeryeah, but they are still going to pull your app
18:52.38MindstormsKidO_O
18:53.50a_meteoriteWinny: wow, improvement
18:54.35MindstormsKidWinny: go believe or die!!
18:54.48MindstormsKid*believe
18:54.54Winnyno thanks.
18:55.03MindstormsKid:P
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19:07.26BulletCatcherWinny: Your infidelity saddens the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
19:07.39Winnyoh well
19:09.45a_meteoritehis noodly appendage shall strike you down
19:09.51KTLrofl
19:09.52a_meteorite;)
19:10.14MindstormsKidWinny: nice tshirt design
19:10.28Winnythanks
19:10.28KTLhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster_2.jpg
19:10.50a_meteoritelol
19:11.09MindstormsKidlol
19:13.20a_meteoriteHAHA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gospel_of_the_Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
19:17.27KTLa_meteorite actually knew about the noodly appendage
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19:17.31me1http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster/dp/0007231601/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1222888630&sr=8-1
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19:18.16KTLhehe
19:18.28me1hehe: http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Car-Emblem/dp/B000ER24EY/ref=pd_cp_b_1?pf_rd_p=413864201&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0007231601&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SZMYGR55M5MW9MR7MKJ
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21:32.41JeffMok so webadmin logs the following, join/part,spawn/die,map load, chat (normal and filtered), list server updates, kicks and bans, /kill, game start/end, slash commands, authentication and reports.
21:32.46JeffMis there anything else it should do?
21:38.31Abominableip logs?
21:40.33JeffMthat's part of the join
21:40.59JeffM"Player John(1)[a.b.c.d] joined"
21:42.18AbominableLooks like it covers everything then.
21:45.02Think_Differentlwhat about when a player pauses?
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21:46.03AbominableApparently you can now use the F5 "cheat" using F1.
21:47.43JeffMyeah I did pause
21:47.52JeffMAbominable, there are many ways to make fake lag
21:48.21AbominableYeah, but it seems that F1 is a lot harder to detect than F5.
21:48.22JeffMthey should not be as efective in 3.0
21:48.38JeffMthe problem is not detection, it's prevention ;)
21:49.01JeffMthe 3.0 client compensates for client side lag in the sim loop
21:59.44CBGstarted learning Jave in "Software Development 2" classes at uni now, as opposed to C++ in the "Software Development 1" classes last year.
21:59.47CBGYay........ :/
22:00.53JeffMthey are putting java ABOVE C++?
22:01.24CBGHeck knows. It sucks that I have to learn it at all.
22:01.34JeffMwell IMHO java is harder
22:01.42CBGAnd crap... no? :P
22:01.43JeffMbut that's cus it sucks more ;)
22:01.47CBG;)
22:02.10JeffMif you can take a class in C# do so, it's fun
22:02.25CBGApparently, the basics are easy as sleeping, but it gets way harder when you start importing extensions and whatnot...
22:02.42JeffMyeah the core of java is simple, it gets hard when you try to actualy use it
22:02.44CBGIt's not really like that in the UK - well not my Uni at least.
22:03.07CBGWe join a course that has specific modules in it that we have to pass to pass the course and get a degree.
22:03.17JeffMit's the fact that java is almost too simple in some aspects that turn into problems when you try to do hard things with it.
22:03.49CBGvery occassionally there are other modules you can take, but they don't go towards you degree so don't think they are really woth anything other than you can just say "Oh I also did a module in ..." to an employer
22:04.05CBGand I say very ocasionally as I heard of only one such extra module available to me last year...
22:04.39CBGSo - yeah - very unlikely I could join any other programming classes.
22:05.04CBGI would just love to get into C++ at a real pace... I would really love to get thrown in at the deep end at this point.
22:05.16CBGLast year, we would cover one tiny little bit of code each week...
22:05.51CBGOne 2 hour lecture, for example, we covered "Generating a Random number". Wow.
22:06.32CBGAnd that particular lecture, we were even told to "work it out yourselves" because the lecturer was being a lazy ass.
22:06.57CBGI totally could have done that at home in 5 minutes... and we could have covered much more advanced stuff in a year of lectures.
22:07.15JeffMyeah lectures are hard, some people are slow
22:07.35JeffMin one of my classes, the lecture was still on dialog boxes, where in the lab I was making a 3d model editor
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22:07.51CBGIt's kind of scary. This is a Games Dev. course, yet after a whole year, out of three, on the course, the most advanced piece of software they have taught us to make is a simple bak program that pretty much just adds 2 and 2.
22:07.55JeffMthere he is
22:08.10CBG3D Model Editors... that's what we need to be learning man.
22:08.21JeffMspldart, blast007, brlcad , and Erroneous  can you come to #tanks4code one last time. to talk shirts.
22:09.09CBGYeah - kind of frustrating. I've always been into programming. Hadn't done much C++ before I started the course, but I was at least familiar with basic coding principles, the syntax, a qwerty keyboard, etc... Some guys in the class have trouble turning the PC on.
22:09.42CBGToo many of them are just gamers looking for an easy ride. They could pwn my ass all day in Halo 3 but struggle with the simplest of tasks in lectures. :(
22:09.54JeffMwelcome to life ;)
22:09.55spldarthehe
22:09.56CBGSorry, just had to vent. :P
22:11.17CBGHeh. Yeah, life sucks. Is there a warp pipe to skip some levels?
22:11.33CBGOr at least a cheat to spawn tanks..? xD
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22:24.49spldartHeh. I got super mario brothers in my head now... 'warp pipe'
22:26.04CBG;)
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22:51.08Winnyhehe.. http://www.google.com/search2001.html
22:56.09temp_dist42,300 results for pets.com :)
22:56.33Winny378,000 as of today
22:58.40spldartwow.. blast from the past
22:58.46me1search for bzflag was 12,400, now it's 335,000 :o
22:58.55spldartI just a search for mosfets.. Neato mosquito
23:00.38spldartKawasaki Ninja 22,000 then 2,990,000 now
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23:19.35AAA_awrightJeffM: What is the password field added to the API ? I thought a plugin could handle /identify authentication and such?
23:22.19JeffMAAA_awright, it's to notify the plugin when someone does a /password
23:22.26JeffM3.0 dosn't do /identify anymore
23:22.46JeffMthere are 3 cases where the auth notification message will be called
23:22.50JeffM/password
23:22.54JeffMglobal auth ok
23:22.59JeffMand global auth failed
23:23.22AAA_awrightJeffM: I know that, I had a (semi-failed) plugin that could do it instead, if it was needed
23:23.36JeffMeww
23:23.38AAA_awrightThat was my proposed alternative to global auth
23:23.47AAA_awrightBut idk
23:24.08JeffMthe password field that was just added was for the notiification event, that's all
23:24.48JeffMbasicly the event used to just be called for /password, but I wanted to add a hook for global auth pass/fail so I needed booleans so you knew what kind of auth it was.
23:42.09TD-LinuxWinny, http://www.google.com/search2001/search?q=apple+intel&hl=en&btnG=Search

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