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| 00:54.47 | spldart | Yay! Hostname :) |
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| 00:57.57 | dexter- | hihi |
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| 01:38.26 | lukstr | thought he'd drop in as it's been quite a while and he's been quite busy lately, with school and all, and thought: "Hey, it's Thanksgiving (in Canadia), so I may as well take a minute to say hello to the BZFlag folk." And that's exactly what he did. |
| 01:38.41 | JeffM | who? |
| 01:38.44 | lukstr | Hello, BZFlag folk |
| 01:38.52 | JeffM | ;) |
| 01:38.54 | me1 | Hello lukstr |
| 01:39.01 | temp_dist | heya lukstr |
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| 01:39.49 | lukstr | new shirt design eh? |
| 01:39.53 | JeffM | yep |
| 01:40.40 | CIA-42 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18739 10/trunk/custom_plugins/irclink/irclink.cpp: do a better job of building up the IRC nick for players that are in channels. |
| 01:40.49 | lukstr | is there a place a denizen of the internet could go to see this new logo? |
| 01:40.55 | JeffM | bzbb |
| 01:40.57 | JeffM | and the store |
| 01:41.01 | lukstr | huzzah |
| 01:41.44 | JeffM | http://store.bzflag.bz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=26 |
| 01:42.09 | lukstr | pretty swank |
| 01:42.25 | lukstr | if you guys come up with a huge front-of-shirt design I may partake |
| 01:42.49 | temp_dist | just wear this one backwards |
| 01:42.51 | JeffM | last time I had those printed they screwed em up :( |
| 01:42.59 | lukstr | aw |
| 01:43.15 | JeffM | L4m3r is stuck with his orange back logo only shirt |
| 01:43.21 | lukstr | I wear sweaters a lot so it ends up looking like a plain shirt with the neat design hidden from the world |
| 01:43.28 | JeffM | but on the + side, he's vissible from space |
| 01:44.28 | lukstr | JeffM: I wrote a small socket library, I'll fire you off a copy later if you're interested |
| 01:44.29 | L4m3r | JeffM: you think that's bad, I saw a shirt that was an even brighter orange |
| 01:44.38 | lukstr | I have a Safety Orange hoodie |
| 01:44.52 | L4m3r | and it was a button-down, even. I just might buy it to wear to work on Halloween, with a black tie :P |
| 01:44.53 | JeffM | lukstr, how is it different then what we have? or others? |
| 01:45.03 | lukstr | probably not at all |
| 01:45.11 | lukstr | mostly from acadamia |
| 01:45.15 | JeffM | fun |
| 01:46.06 | lukstr | Just in case you had any tips or anything ;) |
| 01:46.11 | lukstr | sockets are surprisingly easy |
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| 01:46.39 | JeffM | doing just TCP? or TCP and UDP? |
| 01:46.46 | lukstr | TCP only so far |
| 01:46.54 | JeffM | that would be the easy part ;) |
| 01:47.01 | lukstr | alas I must go, But I may be back, if not tonight, then tomorrow. |
| 01:47.03 | lukstr | heh |
| 01:47.08 | JeffM | have fun |
| 01:47.15 | lukstr | I figured as much, they're mostly managed for you... anyways, later all |
| 02:04.18 | JeffM | Erroneous, go home! |
| 02:04.38 | Erroneous | alright alright |
| 02:29.24 | Flash | Winny: python ho |
| 02:29.34 | Winny | Flash: hm? |
| 02:29.46 | Flash | 16:22 < Winny> anyone in here using python on OS X? |
| 02:29.56 | Winny | had issues with 2.6? |
| 02:31.18 | Winny | Flash ^ |
| 02:31.43 | Flash | not using 2.6; 2.5.1 |
| 02:31.53 | Winny | ah, k |
| 02:32.02 | Winny | IDLE doesn't seem to work on OS X, FYI |
| 02:32.30 | Winny | (in 2.6) |
| 02:34.38 | Flash | did you read the whole note you linked? Seems to have a workaround |
| 02:35.07 | Winny | an official link shouldn't be broken is my point ;) |
| 02:35.08 | Winny | err |
| 02:35.12 | Winny | official release |
| 02:35.26 | Flash | don't beat your head against what should be |
| 02:35.52 | Flash | "Pragmatics must always take precedence over elegance, because nature is not impressed" |
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| 04:22.24 | bz38 | someone help me pls |
| 04:23.07 | temp_dist | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page |
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| 04:23.28 | JeffM2501 | dude again? |
| 04:23.30 | JeffM2501 | seriously? |
| 04:23.45 | bz38 | no just a little question this time |
| 04:23.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:23.58 | bz38 | does currentFlag return a number or the flag abbv? |
| 04:24.02 | JeffM2501 | bye |
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| 04:31.13 | a_meteorite | blinks, wonders what happened, goes back to Stargate |
| 04:38.00 | Abominable | a_meteorite, Battle Star Galatica ftw! |
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| 05:25.44 | JeffM2501 | Abominable: http://my.bzflag.org/w/IRCCloaks ;) |
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| 18:35.29 | KTL | I got to implement a _fast_ bsp tree and variants of it. To avoid c++ vtable cache misses I got to do without "virtual". Now I can assemble a solution in different ways: with template arguments, with function pointers or with preprocessor code. What is the best idea? |
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| 19:22.51 | cosmos | sounds like homework |
| 19:27.01 | Flash | KTL: unless you are writing a compiler (or doing homework) there's RARELY a case where the performance is worth the cost of time/complexity for doing other than virtual functions |
| 19:42.06 | KTL | Flash, a thesis about the algorithm :) it's all about efficiency |
| 19:43.11 | KTL | but i found out how to do it: a main tamplate class that inherits from a bunch of template argument types, and those have to implement the methods |
| 19:43.35 | Flash | well, I am not an expert on efficiencies (and there are several facets of "efficient")... templates are code bloat, but the compiler does the work |
| 19:43.45 | Flash | function pointers are basicially virtual functions |
| 19:44.13 | Flash | preprocessor is the worst, from a maintainability point of view (in my experience) |
| 19:44.51 | Flash | so, execution efficiency, code generation efficiency, memory utilization efficiency....? |
| 19:45.23 | KTL | execution |
| 19:45.28 | KTL | compiling is not the problem |
| 19:45.29 | Flash | efficient being defined as faster/smaller, or maximizing output work for input work or...? |
| 19:45.36 | KTL | and memory is also a benefit |
| 19:45.51 | KTL | it's the main component of a raytracer |
| 19:47.03 | KTL | if i remove all the little overheads i can compare the algorithm itself |
| 19:47.13 | Flash | ok so you don't really care about hardware costs, because it is "acceptable" to just say "get a bigger box" ;-) |
| 19:48.08 | KTL | i should be carefull with the size of the cache ... my measurements should not be influenced too much by those things ... |
| 19:48.43 | KTL | it's about the algorithm itself, i dont care much about using the code later on in larger software for example |
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| 19:50.39 | BulletCatcher | You can't ignore the details of your choice of hardware if you plan to use empirical data to support conclusions about efficiency. |
| 19:52.05 | KTL | i don't see a foolproof way to avoid hardware influence |
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| 19:53.12 | Flash | right, in the real world all optimizations are (should be) done on the basis of observed bottlenecks, in which hardware is a crucial aspect |
| 19:53.31 | Flash | sometimes just getting faster hardware is more "efficient" than coding a different algorithm |
| 19:53.44 | BulletCatcher | The best you can do is to benchmark on several different types of hardware to get a broad set of "real world" results. |
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| 19:55.18 | BulletCatcher | You may find that different algorithms are faster on different hardware. |
| 19:57.07 | BulletCatcher | I.e., on hardware X algorithm A is the fastest, but on hardware Y algorithm B is the fastest. |
| 20:00.44 | TD-Linux | in which case you multiply each score by the percent of users you expect to use that hardware |
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| 20:07.25 | lol_u | JeffM2501 are you there? |
| 20:07.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:07.38 | lol_u | Do u need to talk to me? |
| 20:07.52 | JeffM2501 | I think we are done talking |
| 20:07.57 | lol_u | Im banned though |
| 20:08.00 | JeffM2501 | yep |
| 20:08.02 | lol_u | why |
| 20:08.10 | JeffM2501 | you can't keep your lies straight |
| 20:08.14 | lol_u | ? |
| 20:09.07 | lol_u | How come you won't ban the BIG cheaters but you ban me for something I didn't do? |
| 20:09.27 | JeffM2501 | we do what we can with each case |
| 20:09.49 | lol_u | But i didn't cheat for the MILLIONTH time |
| 20:10.09 | JeffM2501 | never said you did |
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| 20:17.21 | joevano | JeffM2501: ping |
| 20:17.44 | JeffM2501 | sup? |
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| 20:48.43 | Abominable | JeffM2501, thanks for the cloak :) |
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| 21:13.56 | JeffM | any more bzflag cloak requests before I close the doc? |
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