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| 00:25.36 | Ratfink | I noticed that in some maps, you can't jump as high in certin places as in others. |
| 00:25.43 | Ratfink | How is this done? |
| 00:25.57 | Winny | Ratfink: either gravity or jump velocity |
| 00:26.19 | Ratfink | But it's just in some places in the map! |
| 00:26.45 | Winny | that's impossible... I think |
| 00:26.52 | Ratfink | no it's not |
| 00:27.04 | Ratfink | join on jefenry's easter island |
| 00:27.07 | Ratfink | go to the pond |
| 00:27.10 | Ratfink | I'll show you |
| 00:27.18 | me1 | physics |
| 00:27.19 | me1 | the object |
| 00:27.29 | me1 | look in the wiki, it has some info there |
| 00:27.33 | me1 | Ratfink, ^ |
| 00:27.38 | Winny | physics effects you right when you drive onto it |
| 00:27.45 | Winny | not when you jump |
| 00:27.59 | Ratfink | Oh! I get it! It's just like this: |
| 00:28.19 | Ratfink | physics |
| 00:28.19 | Ratfink | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.24 | me1 | Winny, you can make it so they don't jump as high if they jump off an object |
| 00:28.32 | Ratfink | linear 0 0 -10 |
| 00:28.33 | Ratfink | end |
| 00:28.35 | TD-Linux | negative z velocity yeah |
| 00:28.38 | me1 | yep |
| 00:28.39 | TD-Linux | reduces jump height |
| 00:28.48 | Ratfink | thanks |
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| 00:30.37 | TD-Linux | deserter |
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| 00:39.40 | Winny | mm |
| 00:39.43 | Winny | dessert |
| 00:40.25 | spldart | mmMMmm chocolate pudding |
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| 03:10.31 | TD-Linux | spldart, WOW |
| 03:10.37 | TD-Linux | guess what I _just_ made |
| 03:10.46 | spldart | ? |
| 03:10.56 | TD-Linux | chocolate pudding |
| 03:11.02 | spldart | yum |
| 03:11.29 | spldart | Unless your talking post 'the big flush' then eeeeeyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuwwwaaaaaaaaaahhh |
| 03:12.55 | spldart | is on SGA S3 E17 |
| 03:14.54 | TD-Linux | no, the tasty kind :P |
| 03:15.44 | spldart | :) |
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| 08:32.51 | brlcad | burps and blinks |
| 08:33.02 | brlcad | I survived the drive home! |
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| 08:42.50 | a_meteorite | short_circuit: SGA S3E8 here :) |
| 08:59.34 | Manu | ~coffee brlcad |
| 08:59.35 | ibot | ACTION steals some of TD-Linux's special coffee and gives it to brlcad on a silver platter. |
| 09:19.09 | brlcad | :) |
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| 14:16.16 | JPT | hi, i've got a question concerning the teleporters... it was a long time ago, i made some maps for bzflag (version ~2.0.4). I just found these maps and i'm setting up a server (2.0.12)... why are the teleporters in the map not working anymore ? |
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| 14:19.58 | TD-Linux | brlcad, I don't drink coffee :) |
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| 14:30.12 | JPT | okay, where can i find the changelogs ? |
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| 15:18.05 | BulletCatcher | JPT: The 2.0.12 "bzw" man page describes the new link syntax, which uses tele_name:f and tele_name:b to identify the front and back sides. |
| 15:18.17 | JPT | hmm... |
| 15:18.33 | JPT | so i'll have to rewrite the teleporter part... okay... |
| 15:18.34 | blast007 | take out the name on the teleporters |
| 15:18.52 | blast007 | (unless the links use names) |
| 15:18.56 | JPT | that won't be a problem... that can be done in 10 minutes.. |
| 15:19.00 | BulletCatcher | Yes, you do have to change the bzw file. |
| 15:19.37 | JPT | i've got a different problem... it's about global groups... mine are still existing and i included them in the groupdb... |
| 15:20.08 | JPT | but if i join the server, i'm not automatically serveradmin.. |
| 15:20.22 | BulletCatcher | You have a + instead of @ ? |
| 15:20.27 | JPT | yes |
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| 15:20.50 | Constitution | did you grant the group you're a member of the BAN or SHORTBAN permission? |
| 15:21.07 | JPT | in fact, the group has ALL permissions.. |
| 15:21.14 | JPT | so ban and shortban should be included |
| 15:21.53 | JPT | mhh... |
| 15:22.04 | JPT | okay... i should check my groups again.. |
| 15:22.08 | BulletCatcher | Does a /showgroup command show that you are a member of the group? |
| 15:22.17 | BulletCatcher | (in game) |
| 15:23.10 | JPT | okay... maybe it's a conflict |
| 15:23.10 | Constitution | JPT: using +ALL will also give you HIDDEN (or is it HIDEADMIN? can never remember), and that will hide your admin status |
| 15:23.21 | JPT | that might be possible, too |
| 15:23.34 | Constitution | what you want is "groupname: +ALL -HIDDEN" (or HIDEADMIN, whichever it is) |
| 15:23.37 | JPT | but as servermaster and group-owner, i'm member of the ban-group, too... |
| 15:23.43 | JPT | so there might be a permission conflict |
| 15:23.58 | BulletCatcher | The /showperms command will show your actual permissions. |
| 15:24.06 | JPT | okay... i'll check again.. |
| 15:24.48 | JPT | mhh...nice thing.. |
| 15:25.09 | JPT | just removed the hidden permission and after a reload, the server tells me i've no permission *g* |
| 15:25.15 | BulletCatcher | The correct name of that permission is HIDEADMIN. |
| 15:25.28 | JPT | okay |
| 15:25.55 | JPT | haha... okay |
| 15:25.57 | JPT | problem solved |
| 15:26.00 | BulletCatcher | yay |
| 15:26.02 | JPT | thank you :) |
| 15:26.05 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 15:26.17 | Constitution | beats "hideadmin" into his head |
| 15:26.32 | JPT | i'll write it down, too.. |
| 15:26.47 | JPT | i had the problem the last time i used global groups, but that's years ago.. |
| 15:28.42 | BulletCatcher | I should try to get into the habit of doing /showperms whenever I visit a new server to see if they did something silly like EVERYONE: ALL :-). |
| 15:29.14 | Constitution | "/hostban *.net" ;) |
| 15:30.04 | BulletCatcher | That wouldn't work if everyone has ANTIBAN! |
| 15:30.13 | Constitution | oh, true |
| 15:30.49 | JPT | xD |
| 15:30.53 | JPT | just do /shutdownserver |
| 15:30.56 | JPT | that's more funny |
| 15:31.09 | JPT | mhh.. or.. wasn't there something like superkill ? |
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| 15:32.34 | Constitution | morning JeffM |
| 15:33.12 | BulletCatcher | JPT: yes, /superkill will "kick all players off the server" |
| 15:33.22 | JPT | mhh...okay.. |
| 15:33.28 | JeffM | hallo |
| 15:33.32 | JPT | hallo |
| 15:35.30 | BulletCatcher | I recommend a review of the "server administrative commands" section of the bzfs man page. |
| 15:39.14 | JPT | mhh.. the old link system was kind of more easy... all teleporters in my map have nearly the same names... "teleporter copy" ,... |
| 15:45.21 | JeffM | eewwwww a bzedit users |
| 15:46.17 | JPT | sure.... |
| 15:46.30 | JPT | that was years ago.... was pretty funny.. |
| 15:46.50 | JPT | sitting about 3 hours on a map.... with one soundtrack repeating over and over again.. |
| 15:47.32 | JPT | mhh... as far as i can see, i'll have to change.... 44 teleporters.. |
| 15:49.01 | JeffM | IIRC you can still use link IDs |
| 15:50.46 | JPT | hmm... just a question, because i was sent a link (thats not working right now)... is there a tool that's converting old tele-links into the new ones ? |
| 15:51.33 | JPT | i'll get the bzedit and rename the teles ... brb *g* |
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| 16:27.48 | brlcad | TD-Linux: therein lies at least one flaw in your drinking habits? :) |
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| 16:49.41 | blast007 | JeffM: you can, if you don't have a 'name' on the teleporter |
| 16:50.27 | JPT | so removing the name of the teleporter enables me to keep the old links ? |
| 16:50.37 | blast007 | yes |
| 16:50.49 | JPT | that's too easy to not be tried ... |
| 16:51.05 | blast007 | 10:18:34 <+blast007> take out the name on the teleporters |
| 16:51.05 | blast007 | 10:18:51 <+blast007> (unless the links use names) |
| 16:52.04 | JPT | the map is about 2-3 years old... there are only numbers used by links.. |
| 16:53.41 | blast007 | k |
| 16:57.32 | JPT | yes |
| 16:57.38 | JPT | teleporters work now... thanks :) |
| 16:57.47 | blast007 | np |
| 16:57.48 | JPT | that's much easier than rewriting more than 60 links |
| 16:58.04 | JPT | writes a short php script for converting the other maps |
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| 17:01.18 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 17:07.08 | SportChick | JeffM: you're sooo mean |
| 17:08.20 | TD-Linux | SportChick: what's with your random JeffM insults lately? :P |
| 17:08.54 | SportChick | TD-Linux: he's evil :) |
| 17:09.07 | SportChick | TD-Linux: and they arent' as random as you suppose |
| 17:09.44 | SportChick | TD-Linux: besides, he knows I luv him anyway :) |
| 17:21.08 | JPT | script is done. http://nopaste.info/6f304c182b.html |
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| 17:40.27 | TD-Linux | rofl at your echo at the bottom :P |
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| 18:09.51 | JPT | hehe |
| 18:10.14 | JPT | i just want it to work *g* |
| 18:10.38 | JPT | it could be more case insensitive |
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| 18:14.04 | JPT | .tv 20:15 |
| 18:14.13 | JPT | argh..wrong channel :) |
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| 18:51.29 | zomane | hey |
| 18:52.03 | brlcad | ho |
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| 18:52.30 | brlcad | run kirun |
| 18:52.33 | brlcad | how's it going? |
| 18:52.41 | zomane | this is not bzw channel but in bzw i cannot find anyone, so I will ask here, so dont beat me much :) |
| 18:53.24 | zomane | going ... messy :) |
| 18:54.03 | zomane | can someone tell me why when i put in bzw size 400 I get bigger world |
| 18:54.23 | zomane | if i use -set _worldSize 400 |
| 18:54.48 | MindstormsKid | erm |
| 18:54.50 | BulletCatcher | "size 200" is the same as "-set _worldSize 400" |
| 18:55.01 | zomane | but why ? |
| 18:55.15 | BulletCatcher | That's just the way it works. |
| 18:55.25 | zomane | :) k |
| 18:55.38 | kirun | I'm OK... was that aimed at me or did tab complete foil your plans? |
| 18:56.24 | brlcad | zomane: that's jeff's pet peave -- I think any bzflag topic is kosher in here |
| 18:56.32 | zomane | now i must redefine all boxes...thanks for help |
| 18:56.45 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 18:57.21 | spldart | Sounds like one counts x,y = 0 to units to wall and the other defines the world as a whole |
| 18:57.53 | BulletCatcher | That's pretty much it. |
| 18:58.30 | BulletCatcher | When the "size" value is parsed it is doubled to get _worldSize. |
| 18:59.16 | zomane | _worldSize looks better I will use it from now on ;) |
| 19:00.09 | BulletCatcher | In 3.0 _worldSize may go away. I recommend using size. |
| 19:00.36 | zomane | heh, ok that is good reason to use size |
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| 20:48.03 | zomane | can i get a little help again ...please |
| 20:48.19 | zomane | I making an a arc |
| 20:48.49 | zomane | in wiki i see parameter "spin angle", so i try it , but .. |
| 20:49.15 | zomane | ...server says warning (line 243): unknown object parameter "spin" - skipping |
| 20:49.32 | JeffM | spin is usualy part of a group instance, not an object |
| 20:50.20 | zomane | so i cant use it in arc definition ? |
| 20:50.29 | JeffM | I don't belive so |
| 20:51.22 | zomane | so i must define a group with an arc inside ? |
| 20:52.41 | trepan | spin angle nx ny nz # (repeatable) |
| 20:53.27 | zomane | yeah trepan i trying to use it but ... |
| 20:53.56 | zomane | i do that in arc "spin angle 0 1 0" |
| 20:54.21 | trepan | spin 90 0 1 0 ? |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM | angle is the angle |
| 20:55.17 | zomane | ooo as i expected im wrong |
| 20:55.39 | zomane | thanks |
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| 21:16.33 | zomane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:45.36 | delusional | question about image permissions.. I want to use an APOD image... here's their permissions page http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/lib/about_apod.html .... the operative sentence is this quote "NASA images are in the public domain.".... so does that mean if i wanted to use an image that image has "NASA" in the credits |
| 21:46.30 | delusional | Ive been looking at lots of images.. and if it does NOT say NASA, it always has the name of the copyright holder http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080925.html |
| 21:46.50 | Flash | public domain means use it for whatever purpose |
| 21:47.06 | Flash | NASA has to do that because taxpayer dollars paid for it |
| 21:47.20 | delusional | also.. i'd like to ask for my 3 day old submission to be approved |
| 21:47.55 | brlcad | Flash: technically, they don't have to release the image at all too :) |
| 21:48.17 | brlcad | or they could actually acquire copyright through a contractor |
| 21:48.52 | brlcad | so the statement is still useful, unambiguous and simple |
| 21:48.55 | Flash | it's like the difference between GoogleEarth and WorldWind (or whatever it's called now). The NASA-developed one is free |
| 21:49.06 | delusional | there are names with the NASA images, I'm guessing that that person works at nasa, or as brlcad says, is a paid contractor of NASA |
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| 21:49.18 | Flash | delusional: but the image permission line says that copyrighted images are so noted |
| 21:49.37 | brlcad | Flash: actually it's not the same, if it's the code I'm thinking of |
| 21:49.37 | Flash | Some of the images are copyrighted and to use these pictures publicly or commercially one must write to the owners for permission |
| 21:49.50 | delusional | well, does that mean my APOD images will be approved if i provide a link? |
| 21:49.58 | JeffM | Flash, just because they get funding from the govement, dosn't mean they "HAVE" to do anything |
| 21:50.05 | delusional | and that link says NASA |
| 21:50.07 | brlcad | even though the gov't can't claim copyright on original works, they can make a conditional release |
| 21:50.16 | Flash | as a general rule, I know, but that's how NASA works |
| 21:50.19 | brlcad | almost all NASA source code is released under the NOSA |
| 21:50.35 | brlcad | which is not public domain |
| 21:50.39 | brlcad | but is also not copyrighted |
| 21:50.50 | brlcad | the agreement falls under contract law |
| 21:51.43 | delusional | i dont care all that much about the details.. i just want to know if my images will be accepted by bzflag.org. |
| 21:51.56 | JeffM | what are the requirements from nasa? |
| 21:52.10 | brlcad | knows way too much about those legal particulars with BRL-CAD's open sourcing |
| 21:52.14 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:52.25 | JeffM | are the images usable with out restriction by anyone? |
| 21:52.25 | brlcad | we considered a nosa-route |
| 21:52.26 | Flash | NASA images are in the public domain, official guidelines for their use can be found here. |
| 21:52.33 | Flash | http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/features/MP_Photo_Guidelines.html |
| 21:52.50 | Flash | (the non-copyrighted ones) |
| 21:53.07 | delusional | ok that's NASA, the link I provided above was APOD-specific. |
| 21:53.10 | brlcad | yeah, their images are freebies -- their code is effectively lgpl-style stipulations iirc |
| 21:53.18 | JeffM | reads |
| 21:53.38 | JeffM | delusional, looks like it should be good for our requirements |
| 21:53.44 | brlcad | delusional: so the image you want to use -- is it nasa's or someone else? |
| 21:53.52 | delusional | OK.. as long as the APOD page does not say "copytighted" i should be good then, thanks |
| 21:54.05 | JeffM | delusional, probably depends on the author |
| 21:54.23 | JeffM | you should undersand what you are using. |
| 21:54.37 | brlcad | do you have a url to said actual image you're considering? |
| 21:54.55 | JeffM | or are you just swinging that hammer again? |
| 21:55.49 | delusional | I want to use more than a few... I've looked at a lot of the pages.. if it does not say NASA, it always says the copyright holder's name. |
| 21:56.01 | JeffM | then the copyright holder would have there own license or restrictions |
| 21:56.27 | delusional | yes.. if I see one that says copyrighted, i'll just pass it by. |
| 21:56.44 | JeffM | why not simply look at what the author permits? |
| 21:57.00 | brlcad | example, http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080924.html is public domain |
| 21:57.23 | brlcad | delusional: pass it by if it doesn't say NASA |
| 21:57.53 | delusional | if there's one that i absolutely gotta have.. I'll do the extra work to try to aquire licensing. |
| 21:57.56 | brlcad | e.g., http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080921.html doesn't say NASA so you'd have to contact Phil |
| 21:58.08 | brlcad | even though it doesn't say copyrighted |
| 21:58.30 | delusional | can I use my hammer on those eggs? |
| 21:58.43 | Swigg | Not much from NASA is actually copyrighted as most of it is publc domain by default |
| 21:58.44 | JeffM | delusional, are you scotish? |
| 21:59.44 | delusional | no, but on easter my family always have a competition to see who can be the first to crack an egg on somebody elses nead. |
| 21:59.44 | AAA_awright | The stuff from the JPL may be |
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| 23:48.54 | TD-Linux | all NASA images are public domain |
| 23:49.00 | TD-Linux | except for the NASA logo itself |
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