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| 00:26.23 | pacman87 | i'm getting around 0.5 fps in 2.99 |
| 00:26.50 | Winny | sounds like you need some videocard drivers |
| 00:26.57 | pacman87 | 2.0.x is fine |
| 00:27.01 | Winny | odd |
| 00:28.06 | TD-Linux | very odd |
| 00:28.18 | TD-Linux | try flipping options in your config file |
| 00:29.56 | JefferyM__ | what video card do you have? |
| 00:30.07 | pacman87 | ok, so 2.0.x is only fine because i dropped the resolution to 1024x640 |
| 00:30.26 | pacman87 | trying to push 2.0 to 1680x1050 gives problems to (on linux) |
| 00:30.27 | JefferyM__ | ouch, onboard video? |
| 00:30.35 | pacman87 | card is geforce 6200, PCI |
| 00:30.46 | JefferyM__ | that should be able to do that res just fine |
| 00:30.53 | pacman87 | it can on windows |
| 00:30.57 | spldart | easily |
| 00:31.02 | JefferyM__ | how much ram does it have? |
| 00:31.11 | pacman87 | 128 MB |
| 00:31.12 | JefferyM__ | or is it hypermemory/turbocache |
| 00:31.22 | pacman87 | nothing fancy |
| 00:31.32 | JefferyM__ | yeah should run fine |
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| 00:31.38 | JefferyM__ | it won't be stelar, but it should run |
| 00:32.24 | spldart | IIRC I've run both 6200 a-le and 5200 fx @ 1420x1080 in linux with no prob. both 2.99 and 2.0.x |
| 00:32.42 | pacman87 | spldart: what driver? |
| 00:32.49 | spldart | the 5200 can get a tad slow on a busy map |
| 00:33.00 | spldart | I'd have to reboot.. but the non-free driver for debian |
| 00:33.01 | JefferyM__ | well sounds like windows beats linux ;) |
| 00:33.02 | spldart | etch |
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| 00:33.28 | spldart | I haven't tried 3d stuff in lenny yet |
| 00:33.36 | TD-Linux | my 8600gt was pretty bad with bzflag |
| 00:33.39 | TD-Linux | ~40 fps |
| 00:33.43 | TD-Linux | then one day it magically got better |
| 00:33.53 | TD-Linux | pacman87, what nvidia driver are you using? |
| 00:33.56 | spldart | confuzzling |
| 00:34.01 | pacman87 | latest non-free |
| 00:34.06 | TD-Linux | you sure? |
| 00:34.09 | TD-Linux | what version exactly? |
| 00:34.28 | pacman87 | 177.80 |
| 00:34.38 | TD-Linux | alright, I'm only at 173.14.12 |
| 00:35.06 | L4m3r | spldart: I'm getting about the same fps with lenny |
| 00:35.19 | spldart | So your lenny experiment has gone well? |
| 00:35.24 | TD-Linux | make sure no background processes are taking your CPU |
| 00:35.24 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 00:35.26 | pacman87 | i'm running kde4 on slackware, if that matters |
| 00:35.27 | TD-Linux | or videocard for that matter |
| 00:35.28 | spldart | excellent |
| 00:35.31 | TD-Linux | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 00:35.33 | TD-Linux | kde4 |
| 00:35.35 | TD-Linux | that matters lots |
| 00:35.36 | TD-Linux | compositing? |
| 00:35.45 | L4m3r | had to figure out the new wireless package... everything else worked |
| 00:35.45 | spldart | I'm already running it on my workstation now. I like it. |
| 00:35.49 | L4m3r | no more Adept though :( |
| 00:35.54 | spldart | work... workstation |
| 00:36.11 | pacman87 | i'll try turning off desktop effects |
| 00:36.15 | TD-Linux | good idea |
| 00:36.26 | TD-Linux | also kde4 + nvidia, as you know, has major performace issues |
| 00:36.29 | TD-Linux | 177.80 helps |
| 00:36.36 | TD-Linux | but also is more gpu intensive |
| 00:36.38 | pacman87 | testing, brb |
| 00:36.44 | L4m3r | still no kde4 in lenny :( |
| 00:36.50 | TD-Linux | well it's not kde 4 precisely, it's qt |
| 00:37.00 | TD-Linux | even without compositing, all the widgets are hardware-accelerated |
| 00:37.07 | spldart | Hrm.. if it matters ALL my testing of non-free in debian has been gnome. |
| 00:37.22 | L4m3r | gnome is poopy |
| 00:37.25 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:37.32 | L4m3r | so is fglrx :( |
| 00:37.40 | pacman87 | well, that fix 2.0 |
| 00:37.45 | pacman87 | let's try 2.99 |
| 00:37.47 | spldart | I love it.. it's the right balance for me at this time |
| 00:38.02 | TD-Linux | I started with kde 3 |
| 00:38.10 | TD-Linux | then I used gnome for a while |
| 00:38.13 | TD-Linux | then went to kde 3 again |
| 00:38.27 | TD-Linux | I'm still at kde 3 because I need to upgrade to 177.80 to make kde 4 usable |
| 00:38.42 | TD-Linux | has been pondering a vertical panel on the right edge of his monitor... |
| 00:38.55 | spldart | I'm a leaner kinda x-environment kinda guy. fluxbox on the lean side then skip over ice to gnome |
| 00:39.05 | spldart | for the heavy stuff |
| 00:40.22 | pacman87 | well, that fixed it |
| 00:40.24 | pacman87 | thanks |
| 00:40.34 | pacman87 | but the UI is a bit laggy still in 2.99 |
| 00:40.35 | spldart | what.. turning off the widgets? |
| 00:40.43 | pacman87 | turning off desktop effects |
| 00:40.47 | spldart | aj |
| 00:40.48 | pacman87 | mainly just transparency |
| 00:40.48 | spldart | ah |
| 00:40.59 | spldart | interesting... |
| 00:41.07 | spldart | will have to experiment with that. |
| 00:41.22 | spldart | Dog gone! Gallup pole keeps calling :( |
| 00:41.23 | TD-Linux | oh, so you still have compositing |
| 00:41.24 | TD-Linux | interesting. |
| 00:41.48 | TD-Linux | spldart, take advantage of it and skew the poll by voting multiple times! |
| 00:41.53 | pacman87 | i'm not sure what the precise definition of 'compositing' is |
| 00:42.01 | spldart | What do I look like? Acorn>!?!?!? |
| 00:42.31 | TD-Linux | 3d effects |
| 00:42.37 | TD-Linux | if you turned off all desktop effects |
| 00:42.41 | TD-Linux | you would have compositing off |
| 00:42.45 | Winny | Nope, you don't look like an organization that helps underprivaledged register to vote, spldart |
| 00:42.51 | pacman87 | i don't think i had any 3d effects on |
| 00:43.11 | spldart | HAAAHaaahahahhahaha ..!!!! that's funny Winny. I didn't know yah had it in yah ;-p |
| 00:43.16 | TD-Linux | transparency counts |
| 00:43.24 | TD-Linux | real transparency is impossible without compositing on |
| 00:43.25 | Winny | spldart: it's true, Look at the facts. |
| 00:43.51 | TD-Linux | helps the underpriveleged to vote, it sure does :> |
| 00:43.56 | pacman87 | i think KDE4 just calls compositing 'desktop effects' |
| 00:44.23 | spldart | Lets not delve to deeply into politics here.. I'm just making a current news pun without saying anything about any party. I really don't think we should get specific about parties in here. |
| 00:44.40 | Winny | I never did |
| 00:44.57 | spldart | Actually. Indirectly.. you did.. |
| 00:45.05 | spldart | But that's beside the point. |
| 00:45.08 | spldart | To OT |
| 00:45.22 | Winny | uh.. ok then |
| 00:48.24 | spldart | Poop. 'I lost the game.' |
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| 00:56.38 | pacman87 | what do you think about moving the reload timer? https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/bzfi0003.png |
| 00:57.23 | pacman87 | if it's centered on the horizon, it can obscure incoming shots |
| 01:00.56 | spldart | Hrm. Move it in chat box? make it smaller and put it elsewhere/. |
| 01:01.43 | me1 | pacman87, at that current position, it would be obscured by my chat box ;) |
| 01:01.55 | Winny | yep |
| 01:01.56 | pacman87 | top corner then? |
| 01:02.10 | Winny | I've always thought of moving it next to the score |
| 01:02.17 | spldart | has to think outside the 'box' on this one ;) |
| 01:02.21 | Winny | it's not something you need to see all the time, why not move it out of the way |
| 01:02.37 | Winny | or only make it visible when you're reloading |
| 01:02.50 | spldart | oo |
| 01:02.53 | spldart | that's an idea |
| 01:03.07 | spldart | then nada when you still have a shot in reserve |
| 01:03.07 | pacman87 | doesnt' solve my original problem, though |
| 01:04.24 | pacman87 | even when i have a shot saved, i still like to check the others |
| 01:04.27 | spldart | Considering the dynamics of the game over the last few years it's hard putting anything anywhere and not having it get in the way in some situation or other :-/ |
| 01:04.58 | spldart | Perhaps an audio que but I think we have only a fat chance on that possibility. |
| 01:05.08 | pacman87 | anything wrong with the top-right corner inside the box? |
| 01:06.30 | spldart | Pardon the potential misunderstanding... Chat box? radar box? |
| 01:06.50 | me1 | mouse box |
| 01:06.53 | pacman87 | mouse box |
| 01:06.54 | spldart | ah |
| 01:07.05 | spldart | I didn't think that would be a thought |
| 01:07.24 | pacman87 | or on the outside of the box, aligned with the top |
| 01:07.25 | spldart | seems like there is aldready enough goin on near your point of aim.. jmho |
| 01:07.32 | pacman87 | so just moving vertically upward |
| 01:07.37 | pacman87 | from the current position |
| 01:07.51 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:07.53 | pacman87 | set it up as a player option? |
| 01:08.03 | spldart | Now that is a good idea :) |
| 01:08.21 | pacman87 | keep a 'classic' choice |
| 01:08.33 | pacman87 | though that'd be a bit more coding |
| 01:08.56 | spldart | Some maps pose a higher risk of shots being obscured by the classic position than others |
| 01:11.26 | pacman87 | have to see what jeff/tim think |
| 01:11.47 | spldart | runs off to play somewhere |
| 01:11.58 | pacman87 | spldart: where? |
| 01:12.01 | pacman87 | 2.99? |
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| 01:32.48 | spldart | oh.. sry no.. some 2.0 |
| 01:36.42 | TD-Linux | indeed, most shots are larger than the indicators |
| 01:36.58 | TD-Linux | it's only on a fast-shot map that it would matter I think |
| 01:37.10 | TD-Linux | also note 2.99 has different shots that might be easier or harder to see |
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| 02:26.51 | Guest3321 | -bzfquery |
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| 02:59.04 | JeffM2501 | use /msg ibot then the query, it works a lot better |
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| 04:41.48 | blast007 | Guest3321: if you are, you should avoid running IRC as root |
| 04:42.44 | blast007 | (same suggestion goes for running bzfs) |
| 04:47.55 | a_meteorite | that's a general rule, minimize root usage :) |
| 04:48.17 | a_meteorite | only to when it's really needed, even then, usually you can get by with another user just for that purpose (possibly even a chroot) |
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| 04:48.34 | a_meteorite | except for certain special usages |
| 04:48.45 | Swigg_ | Hey met |
| 04:48.51 | a_meteorite | yo |
| 04:48.52 | Swigg_ | Dumb question: |
| 04:49.18 | Swigg_ | If you ban a player and they say they want the ban to be permenant, what do you do? |
| 04:49.24 | a_meteorite | no dumb questions, just dumb answers :) |
| 04:49.42 | a_meteorite | why would the player in question being banned WANT the ban to be permanent? |
| 04:49.52 | Swigg_ | stubborn obstinance |
| 04:49.58 | a_meteorite | anyways, for the time, just use 0, this is assuming you have the ban permission (not shortban) |
| 04:50.05 | a_meteorite | so /ban player 0 reason |
| 04:50.17 | Swigg_ | Didn't want to do it permenantly; I gave them 3 days |
| 04:50.48 | a_meteorite | my suggestion for cheaters or anyone with a bit of technical knowhow to do a 7d-14d ban |
| 04:50.53 | Swigg_ | so I wrote them a note telling them their ban time and they asked me to make it permenant |
| 04:51.00 | a_meteorite | because they'll bypass it and you'll end up with LOTS of clutter on the banlist |
| 04:51.06 | a_meteorite | I've seen some banlists that crash clients, hehe |
| 04:51.26 | Swigg_ | oh yeah when it gets too full... the /reports are bad about that |
| 04:51.40 | a_meteorite | indeed |
| 04:51.45 | Swigg_ | fills up the cache and then *kick*! |
| 04:52.04 | Swigg_ | dude, why is BZFX down? |
| 04:52.14 | a_meteorite | I need to fire the servers back up |
| 04:52.15 | Swigg_ | it's been out all weekend |
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| 16:43.23 | MindstormsKid | JeffM, how come i never see you playing bzflag? :/ |
| 16:44.41 | JeffM | because I would not be on a server you would be on |
| 16:45.17 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 16:46.32 | MindstormsKid | <_< |
| 16:46.52 | MindstormsKid | wonders how that is possible |
| 16:47.22 | JeffM | what version do you use? |
| 16:48.35 | MindstormsKid | 2.0.10 |
| 16:51.01 | JeffM | therein would be the how |
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| 18:13.41 | JeffM | allright, LAST CALL for shirts |
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| 19:09.43 | pacman87 | reload timer, take two: https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/bzfi0005.png |
| 19:13.10 | brlcad | pacman87: hm, interesting |
| 19:13.13 | BulletCatcher | That looks fine. Too bad it doesn't improve your aim. :-p |
| 19:13.22 | pacman87 | that was observer |
| 19:13.28 | pacman87 | (so it wasn't my aim ;) |
| 19:13.43 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 19:13.56 | brlcad | what happens when they fill the box? |
| 19:14.04 | brlcad | get skinnier, underflow, overflow? |
| 19:14.15 | pacman87 | as in, all the way to the bottom? |
| 19:14.20 | brlcad | yep |
| 19:14.23 | pacman87 | probably overflow |
| 19:14.38 | brlcad | lots of folks make that box really tiny |
| 19:15.12 | pacman87 | my reason is that i wanted to get the reload timer off of the horizon |
| 19:15.18 | pacman87 | so i could see incoming bullets better |
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| 19:16.35 | brlcad | how about just moving it up then? align it to the top, but on the outside |
| 19:17.15 | brlcad | or something that just looks better altogether, completely different design/placement ;) |
| 19:17.16 | pacman87 | well, currently, it's centered at the midpoint, and overflows top/bottom evenly |
| 19:17.23 | brlcad | nods |
| 19:17.38 | pacman87 | and the bottom is bad cause of the chat box |
| 19:18.15 | brlcad | which is why I suggested the top like you have it, but just outside the box so there aren't box-size and overlap issues |
| 19:18.32 | pacman87 | ok, i'll give that a shot |
| 19:18.49 | brlcad | pun intended? :) |
| 19:18.56 | pacman87 | of course |
| 19:19.26 | brlcad | then flag me when you've got another screenie ;) |
| 19:19.33 | BulletCatcher | Centered at the top of the mousebox rather than centered on the horizon might do it. |
| 19:19.59 | pacman87 | BulletCatcher: i'll try one like that, too |
| 19:27.44 | pacman87 | brlcad: https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/bzfi0006.png |
| 19:28.02 | pacman87 | BulletCatcher: https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/bzfi0009.png |
| 19:32.17 | BulletCatcher | I like brlcad's (top of mousbox aligned with top of shot indicators) better, assuming it expands downward. |
| 19:32.29 | pacman87 | yes |
| 19:33.33 | brlcad | yeah, that looks alright |
| 19:33.56 | brlcad | though pixel-perfect alignment would be nice :) |
| 19:34.21 | pacman87 | i kept the same height for the 'inside the box' image |
| 19:34.32 | brlcad | right, which included a little padding |
| 19:34.36 | pacman87 | do you want the top of the first shot on the same pixel line as the mouse box? |
| 19:34.42 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:34.52 | BulletCatcher | picky, picky! |
| 19:34.59 | brlcad | OCD |
| 19:35.20 | BulletCatcher | CDO <- letters in alphabetical order |
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| 19:37.47 | pacman87 | can you run bzflag from the compiled location without a 'make install'? |
| 19:38.29 | JPT | sure |
| 19:38.34 | JPT | why not ? |
| 19:38.39 | pacman87 | where is it? |
| 19:38.54 | brlcad | src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 19:39.18 | brlcad | hola kierra :) |
| 19:39.25 | pacman87 | well, that would make sense |
| 19:40.02 | kierra | hola brlcad ;) |
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| 19:46.07 | pacman87 | brlcad: https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/bzfi0010.png |
| 19:46.12 | pacman87 | or one pixel higher? |
| 19:46.34 | pacman87 | (ignore the left/right spacing, that was just to make it easy to see the height) |
| 19:47.53 | brlcad | nods |
| 19:48.33 | brlcad | probably one more pixel .. unless you draw a hairline box around the shots ;) |
| 19:48.57 | BulletCatcher | agrees with brlcad |
| 19:49.08 | pacman87 | about the pixel, or the box? |
| 19:49.28 | BulletCatcher | I agree about both things he said. |
| 19:49.44 | pacman87 | which one is the preferred solution? |
| 19:50.06 | brlcad | hard to say what the box will make the shots look like .. more of a widget instead of free floating |
| 19:50.09 | brlcad | could be good or bad |
| 19:50.17 | BulletCatcher | I would just raise the indicators 1 pixel. |
| 19:50.19 | pacman87 | so that's a "try it and see"? |
| 19:50.27 | pacman87 | BC: that's the easier way |
| 19:50.32 | JeffM | would prefer something more like, http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/bz/hudchanges%20copy.png |
| 19:50.38 | brlcad | either try, or move it up 1 |
| 19:51.17 | brlcad | dear god jeff.. hehe |
| 19:51.26 | JeffM | I mean just look at the shot part |
| 19:51.27 | brlcad | oh, you mean the little shot box on the bottom-left |
| 19:51.31 | JeffM | the rest is other stuff |
| 19:51.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:51.39 | brlcad | gonna say |
| 19:51.50 | brlcad | wow, that's an old shot |
| 19:51.51 | JeffM | the rest is my rough idea for mousebox removal |
| 19:52.01 | brlcad | it's got the console off-by-one bug too |
| 19:52.02 | pacman87 | JeffM: good to know |
| 19:52.03 | JeffM | yeah I just drew it on top of an existing screenie I had |
| 19:52.39 | JeffM | pacman87, basilcy I think it's silly to have a LONG list of many shots, basicly I'd just like to show only the shots that are reloading, and then numerics for the ones that are fully loaded |
| 19:52.42 | pacman87 | but what about the text box overlapping the shots? |
| 19:53.01 | JeffM | I'd have to see it |
| 19:53.20 | pacman87 | in your screenshot, if the text box is ~10 lines taller |
| 19:53.22 | JeffM | also wants each hud element to be a movable object that can be customised by the end user ;) |
| 19:53.52 | JeffM | if the console is larger, I'd squish the mousebox up and all the stuff with it |
| 19:54.01 | JeffM | there should never be overlap |
| 19:54.22 | JeffM | but then my "mousebox" is sn't a mousebox |
| 19:54.25 | brlcad | the shot count really lends itself better to a horizontal layout instead of vertical boxes |
| 19:54.26 | pacman87 | ok, so like what happens in 2.0 when you have a non-transparent radar background |
| 19:54.44 | JeffM | yes there is more room horizontaly |
| 19:54.48 | brlcad | like a power bar across the top with notches for the shot count |
| 19:55.00 | JeffM | the one I drew could easly be fliped on its side |
| 19:55.39 | BulletCatcher | If we're going to let the user customize the locations of the HUD objects, then overlap should be permitted. |
| 19:55.45 | JeffM | IMHO the entire hud needs a redesign and we should not do one aspect with out looking at them all |
| 19:55.57 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, yes as an option, I'd make the default mode be a scale |
| 19:56.03 | BulletCatcher | Sure. |
| 19:56.31 | JeffM | I'd like them all to be ether freeform or "docable" to some other element |
| 19:56.39 | JeffM | like anchors on .net forms |
| 19:58.33 | brlcad | pacman87: so yeah, 1px up :) |
| 19:58.41 | pacman87 | lol |
| 19:58.49 | delusional | here's what happens if your trying make a drawinfo animation and make the export scale of your obj 400x too large http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/animate/bzfi0053.png |
| 19:58.57 | JeffM | brlcad, are you going to spend your sunday on brlcad or bzflag? |
| 19:59.10 | brlcad | i have no idea how sunday is going to work yet |
| 19:59.26 | JeffM | I have a plan I'd like try and see implemented :) |
| 19:59.31 | brlcad | otherwise it'll be my usual "well, both of course!" |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM | you and jbd work out the mac issues left on the bug list |
| 19:59.44 | JeffM | dtr and myself work out the networking issues |
| 19:59.49 | brlcad | hrm |
| 20:00.04 | JeffM | then we do a big push for real beta testing for 3.0 so we can release the sucker sometime |
| 20:00.21 | JeffM | not release at the place, but get the last of the major bugs done while we are together |
| 20:00.29 | JeffM | get font manager put back together, etc.. |
| 20:01.01 | brlcad | that mac rendering issues are teh suck for single-platform testing, needs remote debugging love, something to probe opengl, etc |
| 20:01.19 | JeffM | so all the better to do when you have 2 of you with macbooks ;) |
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| 20:01.35 | pacman87 | the HUD changes can be implemented without breaking anything between 3.0 versions, right? |
| 20:01.39 | JeffM | and an nvidia emploie right there |
| 20:01.40 | brlcad | it's almost guaranteed to be bad opengl state, but finding out where in the openglgstate it's happening could take 5 minutes or 5 days (and is usually towards the latter) |
| 20:01.41 | JeffM | pacman87, yes |
| 20:01.50 | pacman87 | so that's a low priority atm |
| 20:02.00 | JeffM | pacman87, techincaly we are in feature freeze |
| 20:02.05 | JeffM | have been for a while |
| 20:02.14 | pacman87 | i've been out of the loop |
| 20:02.16 | JeffM | but yeah if you want to make patch, go for it |
| 20:02.24 | JeffM | UI can always be added later |
| 20:02.33 | brlcad | font manager is very much related to the state management, though -- the reason it's slow is because of unnecessary rebuilding iirc |
| 20:02.49 | JeffM | brlcad, I know all the reasons, we just need to you know.. solve them |
| 20:03.27 | JeffM | we don't seem to be getting anywhere near where we should be to get it out the door |
| 20:03.34 | brlcad | how collaborative is sunday supposed to be (is it at all?)? |
| 20:03.48 | brlcad | haven't looked to see if there was an agenda, I thought lh was working on something |
| 20:03.49 | JeffM | it's a colabortive coding session from what I know |
| 20:04.04 | JeffM | my gut says we'll just be thown into a room and "work" |
| 20:04.17 | JeffM | and have lots of people around to ask |
| 20:04.32 | brlcad | I just wonder how well that'll work with half the folks not having laptops |
| 20:04.49 | JeffM | you thik that many won't bring em? |
| 20:04.50 | brlcad | will see i guess |
| 20:04.53 | JeffM | I think everyone will have em |
| 20:04.58 | brlcad | last year it was more than half iirc |
| 20:05.15 | brlcad | it was still "a lot" .. but far from everyone |
| 20:05.16 | JeffM | I think more will bring them cus of the coding aspect of sunday |
| 20:05.22 | brlcad | maybe |
| 20:05.30 | JeffM | but those would be design people ;) |
| 20:05.36 | JeffM | all of us will have laptops |
| 20:05.40 | JeffM | even Erroneous |
| 20:05.58 | JeffM | unless you would leave your baby at home? |
| 20:06.19 | brlcad | heh, I rarely leave home without it, never fly without it |
| 20:06.24 | JeffM | exactly |
| 20:06.37 | JeffM | I'm fairly certain that jbd has one as well |
| 20:06.41 | brlcad | but I'm also not traveling overseas with the thread of confiscation through customs |
| 20:06.49 | JeffM | true |
| 20:07.01 | JeffM | well if we can I think we should work on those issues |
| 20:07.12 | JeffM | as they would benifit the most from colaboration |
| 20:07.24 | JeffM | in and out of our org |
| 20:07.35 | JeffM | there would be lots more people that know apple GL there |
| 20:07.52 | brlcad | possibly, the opengl one really is sticky though |
| 20:08.03 | JeffM | it has to be fixed sometimes |
| 20:08.05 | brlcad | it's not a mystery, it's just horrible inconsistent state management |
| 20:08.12 | JeffM | and we have a very limited set of mac developers |
| 20:09.22 | brlcad | finding where it gets hosed takes a long time, and even once it's found, it's a house of cards fix .. just takes one gui refactoring and it's hosed again somewhere new |
| 20:09.41 | brlcad | really needs an engine, it's all stemming from the customness |
| 20:10.04 | brlcad | i mean the quick-fix is to hard-code lighting off since that's the crash-causer |
| 20:10.16 | JeffM | well then do you want to delay 3.0 untill we replace the rendering system? |
| 20:10.30 | brlcad | of course not |
| 20:10.47 | JeffM | then lets get the thing hacked up some more and shove it out the door :) |
| 20:10.50 | brlcad | just saying it might not be an effective collaboration day |
| 20:10.54 | brlcad | to work on *that* problem |
| 20:10.59 | JeffM | ok |
| 20:11.11 | brlcad | font manager is a good one, menus delays another easy one |
| 20:11.11 | JeffM | I think we should have an idea of what to work on tho |
| 20:11.17 | JeffM | that's my main gaol |
| 20:11.33 | JeffM | the networking issues are great for collab cus they NEED Multiple input |
| 20:11.35 | brlcad | networking is a bit harder but certainly doable there |
| 20:11.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:11.52 | JeffM | we can set up a debug server on mirkwood and get some real lag for testing |
| 20:12.16 | JeffM | and .de as well |
| 20:12.42 | brlcad | so you're saying I might want to have my login credentials sorted out? :P |
| 20:13.01 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:13.06 | JeffM | actualy we can do it all on mirkwood |
| 20:13.23 | JeffM | I just want us to have a list of things before we get there |
| 20:13.24 | brlcad | we could do it all lan for that matter |
| 20:13.28 | JeffM | to make the most of the time |
| 20:13.37 | JeffM | yes we could, but some real lag would make me feel better |
| 20:13.45 | JeffM | rather then hacking up some flag lag tester |
| 20:14.05 | JeffM | I think we'll start with lan, and then move to wan to make sure it works with real lag |
| 20:14.26 | blast007 | get someone to host a server on 56k if you want some good lag testing ;) |
| 20:14.33 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:14.53 | JeffM | mirkwood should provide decent enough lag for "real world" testing |
| 20:15.03 | JeffM | at least enough to work out the major DR issues we have right now |
| 20:19.28 | mmarshall | http://snad.ncsl.nist.gov/nistnet/ |
| 20:19.45 | JeffM | we don't need that |
| 20:19.53 | JeffM | we just need to do basic debuging ;) |
| 20:19.55 | JeffM | but thanks |
| 20:20.24 | mmarshall | Ok, I thought I saw something about needing to test with lag :) |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM | we can do that using real remote servers |
| 20:25.32 | a_meteorite | Cobra_Slow: lane change |
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| 20:42.43 | echelon | i'm not being identified.. is there a lag? |
| 20:43.11 | me1 | î [echelon] is identified to services |
| 20:43.21 | echelon | no, i mean on bzflag |
| 20:43.42 | me1 | does this happen on all servers? |
| 20:43.45 | echelon | umm |
| 20:43.59 | blast007 | list server seems to respond to me |
| 20:44.00 | blast007 | try again |
| 20:44.20 | blast007 | could also see if this loads for you: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 20:48.25 | echelon | hrm.. seems to be a problem with the compound |
| 20:49.01 | echelon | it's not getting the token |
| 20:49.18 | blast007 | does the server appear on the list? |
| 20:49.32 | blast007 | hmm, yup, it does |
| 20:49.34 | echelon | yeah, bz.l4m3r.net |
| 20:50.28 | me1 | it doesn't seem to identify me either |
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| 21:53.26 | Winny | bzbb admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13252 |
| 21:53.29 | Winny | spammer @ bottom |
| 21:53.47 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13005 |
| 21:54.11 | Winny | and some stuff in the maps section too |
| 21:55.16 | blast007 | haha... puppy linux, and then pet products spam.. |
| 21:57.00 | a_meteorite | I should hire that spammer |
| 21:58.06 | a_meteorite | He's more relevant than I am |
| 21:58.57 | blast007 | baleeted! |
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