IRC log for #bzflag on 20081025

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00:24.24DTRemenak|laptopJeffM: I got accelerated gl working on this machine in windows
00:24.31JeffMcool
00:24.32JeffMhow?
00:24.36DTRemenak|laptopisn't exactly using stock drivers anymore
00:25.36JeffMfun
00:25.51DTRemenak|laptoppieces of the original Lenovo 3470 drivers, with the current ATI 3450 driver core acceleration pieces, plus some more current power management stuff from the current Lenovo 3650 drivers
00:26.07JeffMfrankendriver
00:26.11DTRemenak|laptopone of a kind, baby
00:26.17DTRemenak|laptopbut it woks
00:26.28DTRemenak|laptopworks even.  don't think it cooks chinese food...yet.
00:26.37JeffMheh
00:26.47JeffMdid I mention that mine worked out of the box?
00:26.50DTRemenak|laptopheh
00:27.07DTRemenak|laptopgibbs runs surprisingly well on it
00:27.29JeffMhah, I still have 3 days left on my license
00:27.32DTRemenak|laptopme too
00:31.02DTRemenak|laptophopes he doesn't ever get asked what driver version he is using by any support people
00:31.17JeffMlike you'd call them
00:31.40DTRemenak|laptopgood point
00:31.46JeffMgoes to use the internets outside till dinner
00:31.48JeffMroom booring
00:32.09DTRemenak|laptopyay portability
00:34.56DTRemenak|laptopmmm, bzflag runs pretty well too
00:35.25DTRemenak|laptopobserves that some fixing is needed for the server list
00:35.46JeffMyeah it has been busted for a while
00:35.49JeffMbut it works
00:35.52JeffMso we can show it off
00:40.41spldart:-D
00:44.39JBdiGrizJeffM: Getting ready to head to Amarin Thai?
00:44.58JeffMJBdiGriz, I am sitting by the pool ready
00:45.10JBdiGrizShould I drive up to the hotel, or meet you there?
00:45.26JeffMI have a car and the plan is for me to collect the other misfits from here and drive over
00:45.31JeffMso there is probably just fine
00:45.46JeffMthey are suposed to be down here at 6:15
00:45.51JBdiGrizFair enough. I'm not sure how much parking is around the restaurant.
00:46.04JeffMyour guess will be better then min
00:46.10JeffMtho we are all hale and can walk ;)
00:46.31JBdiGrizI'll plan on leaving from here in a few minutes.
00:46.36JeffMcrap, I don't have your biz cards with me, I'll have to bring them tomorow
00:47.02JBdiGrizI'll manage to get by with the actual business cards for an evening.
00:47.05JeffMyou and DTR ended up with more of them then sean and me
00:47.11JeffMI'm sure you will :)
00:47.17JeffMthey are somewhat gehto
00:47.37JBdiGrizWhy would I need more than you or Sean? That seems backwards.
00:48.12JeffMprinting error
00:48.22JeffMI thought I was printing 2 sheets at a time and I was doing 4
00:48.45JeffMso I ran out before I expected to
00:49.09JeffMI brought 5 extra shirts tho in case we want to give any out
00:49.40JeffMdid you guys sign up for nametags?
00:50.17JBdiGrizI did. I finally decided I should include the IRC alias, even though it is mostly for in game.
00:50.27JeffMheh
00:50.47JBdiGrizAnother friend of mine will find it highly amusing.
00:55.38CIA-38BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18780 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: spelling
00:55.51Winnyjeff fixing a spelling error? the irony!
00:55.53Winnyducks
00:56.23JeffMspellcheck in vc baby!
00:56.36JeffMfrom the POOL!
00:56.40Winny:o
00:56.59JeffMis like all representing you bastards n's stuff
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00:59.55JBdiGrizMake sure you drink enough beer to represent them
01:00.08JeffMthat's the goal
01:00.14JeffMwell cider if I can
01:00.30JeffMlh says she has some for me cus I went and brought DnD stuff
01:00.59JBdiGrizIt's amazing what she will do for little men
01:01.14JeffMbehold the power of tiny tiny men!
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01:09.56JeffMhmmm may need a new event to do stats properly, something just before a player part so we can stamp the score
01:10.56JeffMbrlcad, dtremenak you guys ready for dinner?
01:13.50DTRemenak|laptopsure, be out in a min
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01:50.22me1what is, if there is one, the local variable for the "limit" of the player camera/view?
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02:29.37BulletCatcherme1: BZDB variable displayFOV has the current field of view, and defaultFOV is the maximum.  You can adjust it within limits using the mouse wheel while holding down the control key.
02:31.13BulletCatcherOr toggle between max and min using the B (binoculars) key.
02:34.55me1no, the 'limits' for rendering
02:35.10me1if you get far enough away, the far away things disapear
02:35.33BulletCatcherOh.  Yes, that's completely different.
02:36.48BulletCatcherI'm not sure how I would find that number.
02:37.40BulletCatcherI found the field of view by following the Wide Angle flag code.
02:40.31me1Would it be in the config file?
02:40.37me1commented out?
02:42.06me1I'll try to find out later. :|
02:43.10TD-Linuxthat's culling
02:43.13TD-Linuxerr
02:43.20TD-Linuxfar clipping plane
02:43.40TD-Linuxit's set by default to show the whole map, plus some extra
02:43.51TD-Linuxhaving it closer increases z-buffer precision
02:44.45BulletCatcherIn observer mode it is easy to get far enough away from the map that the distant parts disappear.
02:55.41TD-Linuxyup
02:55.46TD-Linuxbad for screenshots
02:55.58TD-Linuxalso limits a skydome
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02:59.14BulletCatcherI think I found it in BackgroundRenderer::resizeSky().  The far clipping plane seems to be fixed at 3 * _worldSize .
02:59.56TD-Linuxsounds about ight
02:59.59BulletCatcherThat would be 2400 world units on a default size map, which roughly matches my recollection of how it looks.
03:00.07TD-LinuxI suppose it could be made a variable that defaults to that
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03:06.47BulletCatcherA quick test shows that the far clipping plane is at a distance of 1.5 * _worldSize .
03:11.12TD-Linuxthat probably makes more senes
03:11.23TD-Linuxso maybe you found the far clipping plane for the sky pyramid
03:11.25TD-Linuxor the mountains
03:12.02BulletCatcherI was looking at a method called resizeSky().  That should be a hint. :-p
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04:03.06echelonthere's this server on the  list that seems like a fake
04:03.18echelonit freezes up my client every time
04:03.39echelonmanetheran.com ? queen of the something map
04:09.21Constitutionechelon: works for me
04:09.33echelonhrm
04:09.37echeloni know you :D
04:09.43echelon< - titmouse
04:09.49Constitutionnobody knows me really
04:10.48Constitutionoh :)
04:10.49Constitutionhi
04:10.55echelon^_^
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04:54.50brlcadyep, 9
04:55.15brlcadbus leaves at 8:45 through till 10am
04:55.32Constitutionenjoy yourselves
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04:56.07brlcadConstitution: shame you can't make it!
04:56.19Constitutionnext year :)
04:58.32Constitutionmaybe
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04:58.46brlcadhopefully, that's be awesome
04:59.09JeffMyep.. cider in the room
05:00.10DTRemenak|laptopstarts between 9:00 and 10:00
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05:06.14JeffMok, so leaving at 8:45 ain't a bad thing
05:07.18DTRemenak|laptop9-10 is labeled "registration and breakfast"
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05:08.20JeffMI'd rather be earlyer then later  thistime
05:08.30raindogI'm trying to get my server to not allow more then one person per team, but I can't get it right.  Can anyone lend a hand,.
05:08.37brlcadif it's like last year, it was pretty usual continental fare
05:08.48brlcadraindog: see the example config file?
05:08.50JeffMraindog, what  is your -mp line?
05:08.59raindogbzfs  -s -t -j -ms 3 -st 90 -mp 1,1,1,1,1   would that work?
05:09.16JeffMif that's enough slots
05:09.21JeffMthe sample showsit
05:09.25JeffMit does 5 per
05:09.49raindogWell, I have 3 of us, and i just want us one 3 separate teams.  
05:10.00JeffMwhat happens when you join?
05:10.20JeffMwhat does -st do?
05:10.28JeffMahh shake time
05:10.40raindogactually there are 4 of us now.  I guess the default teams of two will work now.
05:10.56JeffMis it a CTF map?
05:11.02raindogWith 3 people, it would put two on one team, and one on another.
05:11.17raindogIt is just the defualt map settings
05:11.34JeffMsp ffa
05:11.37JeffMhmmm
05:11.41raindogI just started running the server today so I am still highly ignorant.  :)
05:11.53JeffMthe autoteam logic may not like one player limits
05:12.00JeffMthe -mp like SHOULD work
05:12.06JeffMbut it may be a bug
05:13.07raindogwith 4 i can leave it out and just have two teams.  I just need to sit down and test when I don't have friends wanting to play right then.  Thanks for the input though.
05:21.48pacman87raindog: you can run multiple clients on your computer for testing, F4 to minimize
05:22.40raindogI figured out you can select team when you connect to my server.  I'm so dumb.  :)
05:22.40raindogpacman87:  That would help.
05:22.41brlcadraindog: you're missing observer
05:23.52brlcadiirc, you either specify a flat count, or you specify all slot types
05:24.23JeffMyou r is c  ;)
05:24.56brlcadcaindog?
05:25.14JeffMno you Recall Correctly ;)
05:25.34brlcadah, hehe
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07:04.49HighKarateKittydoes anyone know when ctf starts on MoFo
07:11.51Manuyou can join #planetmofo and ask ;)
07:12.23HighKarateKittyim on mofo right now
07:12.41HighKarateKittyand i have asked on freenode
07:13.05Flashhi kitty
07:14.32HighKarateKittyhiiii Flash
07:14.43HighKarateKittyhow are you and why not on mofo
07:14.51Flashdo I need to come spank you?
07:15.03HighKarateKittyheheheh or let me spank you
07:15.15FlashI'll never LET you... you have to earn it
07:15.27ManuHighKarateKitty: we have nothing to do with mofo, their admins can respond to you
07:16.03HighKarateKittyyes  I was hoping they would
07:17.12Manu~wake Flash
07:17.13ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Flash and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
07:17.32Flashnot ice water.... I'm waiting for SNOW
07:17.42BulletCatcher~catnip HighKarateKitty
07:17.50BulletCatchersigh
07:17.50HighKarateKittyhiii Bullet
07:18.08HighKarateKittyand make sure there is ice in that ice water :)
07:18.08FlashBulletCatcher is full... he caught plenty of my bullets
07:18.17BulletCatcherHey, Kitty.  You missed a big Lasermania game earlier today.
07:18.26HighKarateKittynooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
07:18.30HighKarateKittywaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
07:18.40HighKarateKittyshall we start one again
07:18.58BulletCatcherYes.  We need to play that map more often.
07:19.09HighKarateKittyok you want to get on?
07:19.32BulletCatcherNot now, I'm afraid.  It's bedtime for BulletCatcher.
07:19.59HighKarateKittyooh ok nighty night
07:20.27BulletCatcherzonks out
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09:51.22delusionalrunning that jackhammer tore me up, can't even do 50 pushups.
09:51.52delusionalusually cruises right past 100
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10:30.48delusionalheh, ww
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17:48.22CIA-38BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18781 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: error on other clients when somneone logs off.
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18:23.11CIA-38BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18782 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiServerListItem.cxx: don't use a fixed arrays with printf when the string can be longer then 5
18:49.21CIA-38BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18783 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDuiServerInfo.cxx HUDuiServerListItem.cxx): display something useful for servers who drop ping packets
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19:55.42Winnyplays with the subwoofer test disk
19:57.03BulletCatchercan feel it from here
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20:10.03spldart:-D
20:10.12spldartloves subwoofers
20:10.34spldart... so does Pogo
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20:22.16Winnystupid question
20:22.27Winnyhow should I clean my LCD screen? damp cloth?
20:22.33Winnyor should I use special chemicals
20:23.38Constitutionmicrofiber cloth with water if necessary
20:24.46me1Stick it in the washing machine
20:26.04brad~me1++
20:27.04BulletCatcherme1: after you left yesterday we found that the far clipping plane is fixed at a distance of 1.5 * _worldSize, which would be 1200 world units on a standard size map.
20:27.32BulletCatcherYou would have to modify the client source code to change that.
20:27.46me1where?
20:28.43BulletCatcherThe only place I found was BackgroundRenderer, but that seems to be for the background rather than the world itself.
20:31.19BulletCatcherIt is probably somewhere in SceneRenderer.cxx .
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20:47.03Flashok, I'm going to dive in the the server list... if I'm not back in 40 minutes, send someone after me
20:47.47Winnyif not back avenge death
20:48.08Flashhey, get what? I think my FontManager fix solved the Mac 10 second menu bug!
20:48.22Flashit's slow on first start, but instantaneous in game
20:48.29Flashwho else can test it?
21:12.07Flashhmmmm. any reason why a singleton would need a virtual destructor?
21:12.31JeffM_in case you derive from it
21:12.42Flashshould a singleton be derived from?
21:12.54JeffM_every class t hat is a singleton is derived from it
21:13.09JeffM_gcc wants base classes to have virtual distructors
21:13.12JeffM_it's a compiler thing
21:13.29FlashI mean, is there any reason why a class that implements the singleton pattern would need a virtual destructor?
21:13.34JeffM_no
21:13.38FlashI don't mean our Singleton class
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21:48.08JeffM_Flash, it's probalby just habbit in case it gets  derived
21:48.24JeffM_I tend  to make em all virtual cus gcc freaks when it isn't sometimes
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22:50.25CIA-38BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18785 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiServerList.cxx: don't skip whole the nav queue reconstruction when no list item is selected, just skip the selection-maintenance logic. fixes navigation confusion on initial load and tab switches.
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23:43.07TheRedBaronFlash:  because a real destructor is too dangerous in the hands of a simpleton ?
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