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| 00:49.31 | zee877 | have they made 2.0.12 for mac? |
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| 00:55.31 | lodxcol | can't you build it from source |
| 01:19.10 | a_meteorite | iirc 2.0.12 only contained fixes for linux and/or an update required to push new versions out to some distros |
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| 03:56.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18987 10/trunk/bzflag/ (99 files in 17 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:56.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * bumped BZ_PROTO_VERSION to 0071, BZ_REV to 12 |
| 03:56.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: (also changed the AC_INIT() value this time ;-) |
| 03:56.11 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added the 'text' world object type |
| 03:56.12 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * updated the FontManager to use map<> for looking up font faces |
| 03:56.16 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added the ability to load URL sourced fonts into the FontManager |
| 03:56.18 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * added getOpacity() to FontManager |
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| 04:04.06 | trepan | not mentionned in the log -- changed most of the lua plugin call-in names |
| 04:04.12 | trepan | oops |
| 04:07.37 | AAA_awright | git commit --append ftw |
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| 04:31.13 | delusional | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `DynamicWorldText.cxx', needed by `DynamicWorldText.o'. Stop. |
| 04:32.01 | trepan | ah, waiting for a build on bzflag.bz to find those errors ... thanks ;-) |
| 04:32.30 | delusional | URL sourced fonts, Quite Nice |
| 04:32.49 | delusional | manpge niceness too. |
| 04:33.05 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18988 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (DynamicWorldText.cxx DynamicWorldText.h): * added missing files, thanks delusional |
| 04:33.22 | trepan | bzdb ref'ed world objects ... 'bzdb' is key ;-) |
| 04:33.41 | delusional | hmm, i think thats the second time i got in there. |
| 04:33.45 | trepan | add top-3-scorers boards, etc... |
| 04:34.27 | trepan | also useful for the craptastic demo lobby server i'm setting up (as compared to what could be done after the next _big_ commit ;-) |
| 04:36.47 | trepan | 11 minutes for ./autogen.sh |
| 04:37.40 | TD-Linux | aieee |
| 04:37.43 | delusional | example worlds are always nice. I'm hoping I'll see a demonstration of tangability. |
| 04:38.01 | TD-Linux | mine takes two minutes tops |
| 04:38.18 | trepan | will have a text demo world, once the compile is done (before 3.0 is released? :) |
| 04:38.33 | delusional | he |
| 04:39.16 | trepan | you can also billboard the text, and use most of the normal material properties (noshadow, noculling, dyncol, etc...) |
| 04:39.32 | trepan | no radar though |
| 04:40.39 | delusional | lua.cpp:19:22: error: fetchurl.h: No such file or directory |
| 04:40.39 | delusional | lua.cpp: In function 'bool CreateLuaState(const std::string&)': |
| 04:41.35 | trepan | i should setup a 'clean' svn dir to catch these glitches faster ;-) |
| 04:41.37 | trepan | thanks |
| 04:42.46 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18989 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/lua/ (fetchurl.cpp fetchurl.h): * added missing files; thanks again to delusional |
| 04:43.30 | AAA_awright | or use svn status.... |
| 04:43.33 | trepan | have listserver query lua plugin code done using those files ... |
| 04:44.22 | trepan | AAA_awright: i committed to 100 files, i've got dozens lying around that aren't committed |
| 04:44.43 | trepan | easy enough to lose track of a couple ... that's why i do an external build |
| 04:45.06 | AAA_awright | O.o |
| 04:45.17 | trepan | while i'm here, MsgPause & MsgShotEnded seem borked |
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| 04:45.26 | trepan | and i'm seeing more updates than expected |
| 04:45.33 | AAA_awright | Yeah, I would have done this in a new branch. Even as bad as SVN is with branches, branch. |
| 04:45.43 | trepan | AAA_awright: that's nice |
| 04:47.25 | JeffM2501 | svn branches fine |
| 04:47.41 | delusional | it built complete this time |
| 04:48.56 | trepan | cool |
| 04:49.16 | trepan | now, to see if it crashes for ya ... os ? |
| 04:51.20 | delusional | intel mak |
| 04:51.29 | delusional | there are no servers to join |
| 04:51.35 | delusional | OSX 10.5 |
| 04:52.13 | JeffM2501 | start one |
| 04:52.33 | AAA_awright | starts one |
| 04:53.18 | AAA_awright | erm... when it builds. |
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| 04:56.57 | delusional | no crash yet. it looks interlaced, plus everything is double-vision, almost like anaglyph, but there is no bleu/red color |
| 04:57.11 | trepan | huh? |
| 04:57.35 | trepan | you test the version before that commit? |
| 04:58.00 | delusional | no, latest build |
| 04:58.04 | delusional | now it crashed |
| 04:58.39 | delusional | same crash I've been having for weeks... |
| 04:58.42 | delusional | 2008-11-27 23:57:37.188 bzflag[87165:10b] *** -[NSLayoutManager glyphRangeForTextContainer:]: given container does not appear in the list of containers for this NSLayoutManager. |
| 04:58.44 | delusional | Bus error |
| 04:59.01 | trepan | ah, probably not my fault; woohoo |
| 04:59.06 | trepan | and :-( |
| 05:02.19 | delusional | yeah, it's looks just like anaglyph is enabled, but there's no red-blue separation for the 3-d glasses..... double vision. |
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| 05:15.35 | delusional | heh... for years i've been saying "don't tell the newbs how to open their router ports. It's an intelligence test." believing that if they're not smart enough to open ports, they're not smart enough to serve. ... Now since i switched to verizon FIOS, i have not been able to open ports. |
| 05:17.22 | JeffM2501 | I thought you had a dedicated server somewhere? |
| 05:19.05 | BulletCatcher | For what it's worth, on my Fedora Linux system I see no regressions in a brief test of r18989. |
| 05:22.34 | trepan | regressions = no new problems? |
| 05:22.43 | BulletCatcher | Correct. |
| 05:22.50 | delusional | i dont have the latest bzfs on that server. |
| 05:23.15 | trepan | bzfs is compiled, now i have to wait for the lua plugin... test map soon enough |
| 05:23.36 | trepan | BulletCatcher: and thanks, good to know |
| 05:23.45 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 05:28.49 | trepan | server's up |
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| 05:41.11 | iShock | Hey guys, what do I need to update on linux for updated drivers and better fps/less lag/jitter? |
| 05:41.21 | delusional | i managed to get a /saveworld before crashing.... looks like I'm not getting the abadon font. |
| 05:42.17 | BulletCatcher | iShock: what video card do you have? |
| 05:42.27 | iShock | Intel 945GM |
| 05:42.28 | iShock | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20061102 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 05:42.34 | iShock | Is what BZFlag gives me |
| 05:43.52 | iShock | Anyone? |
| 05:43.57 | trepan | delusional: that would be my fault, as was another last-minute stupid thing that i did to cause the text/box problem (it wasn't that way but moments before I committed ;-) |
| 05:44.16 | iShock | trepan has ideas! |
| 05:45.01 | delusional | ishock, that's for sure... not crashing in observer mode. |
| 05:45.21 | iShock | crashing in obs? What'd you do? |
| 05:45.44 | iShock | You seriously think there hasn't been any updates for OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20061102 x86/MMX/SSE2 since 11/02/2006?? ... |
| 05:46.01 | BulletCatcher | I googled for "intel 945gm driver linux" and got lots of hits. Perhaps one of them would help. |
| 05:46.26 | iShock | I did that |
| 05:46.30 | iShock | I ended up with a .exe |
| 05:47.20 | BulletCatcher | What Linux distro do you use? |
| 05:47.26 | iShock | Xubuntu |
| 05:48.10 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18990 10/trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TextSceneNode.cxx: |
| 05:48.10 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: * fixed the gstate for text fonts (the builder blending is required, |
| 05:48.10 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: even if FTGL does its own blending, last minute removal that went awry) |
| 05:49.29 | BulletCatcher | You might try asking over in the #xubuntu channel. They are more likely to be able to give you the specific help you need. |
| 05:49.41 | iShock | #Xubuntu is dead |
| 05:50.26 | trepan | delusional: fwiw, the map should be fixed now |
| 05:50.53 | iShock | trepan, what do voices do with bzflag? |
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| 05:52.48 | delusional | double-vision http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/psych/bzfi0001.png |
| 05:53.16 | delusional | it's not just the text, it's everything |
| 05:53.42 | trepan | neat |
| 05:54.10 | delusional | menus too |
| 05:54.23 | trepan | console looks fine though |
| 05:54.56 | iShock | trepan, what do voices do with bzflag? |
| 05:55.06 | trepan | huh? |
| 05:55.06 | delusional | do you want a pastebin of mine? |
| 05:55.13 | delusional | voices? |
| 05:55.23 | iShock | Like, do they maintain bzflag or jus help with it |
| 05:55.32 | trepan | + ... depends on the voice |
| 05:55.44 | iShock | You, then :> |
| 05:55.57 | delusional | oh, voice on this channel |
| 05:56.42 | delusional | it doesnt mean much, really. |
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| 05:56.52 | trepan | delusional: now you've hurt my feelings :) |
| 05:57.30 | delusional | you've done it to me plenty of times. |
| 05:58.22 | delusional | i finally learned to ask at least partially intelligent questions, and get much better results now. |
| 06:05.50 | BulletCatcher | TextSceneNode.cxx:449: warning: converting to 'int' from 'const float' |
| 06:05.51 | BulletCatcher | It is not clear to me whether it would be better to use a cast or to change TextSceneNode::fontSize from int to float. |
| 06:06.46 | delusional | the saved world loads on my local bzfs nicely. should I be able to use /set _text vartest? |
| 06:08.43 | BulletCatcher | (or perhaps WorldText::fontSize should be changed from float to int?) |
| 06:14.08 | trepan | na, just forgot the cast |
| 06:14.56 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18991 10/trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/TextSceneNode.cxx: * added a cast to remove a warning |
| 06:15.10 | delusional | heheheh /set _text is gonna be TONS of fun! |
| 06:15.23 | trepan | take a look at the man page? |
| 06:15.46 | iShock | What can I do to improve my fps? |
| 06:15.59 | trepan | shell out $20 for a real video card |
| 06:15.59 | blast007 | get a real video card |
| 06:16.22 | iShock | I have $2 |
| 06:16.34 | blast007 | get 0 more, and you're set! |
| 06:16.35 | iShock | Something involving my computer instead of buying new crap would be nice :> |
| 06:16.39 | delusional | lower your bzflag graphis settings. |
| 06:16.59 | blast007 | the 945 should be able to handle bzflag at lower resolutions, at least in Windows |
| 06:17.22 | trepan | delusional: i made embedding ansi color codes quite easy |
| 06:17.24 | blast007 | I have no idea how good the linux drivers are, but I can maintain 60+ FPS on some maps with most everything turned on in-game |
| 06:17.52 | trepan | added some fake escape codes (ex: \r -> red, \_ -> underline) |
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| 06:18.16 | iShock | blast, I turn shit down on linux and can't get 40 and can't get that in Windows either |
| 06:18.18 | trepan | also note \s -> space (in case you run into somewhere that you'd need it ;-) |
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| 06:18.27 | blast007 | iShock: language.. |
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| 06:18.56 | blast007 | iShock: what CPU do you have? |
| 06:19.02 | iShock | Acer Aspire |
| 06:19.17 | blast007 | no, CPU, as in, processor |
| 06:19.28 | iShock | Idk :< |
| 06:20.07 | blast007 | figure out via a 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 06:20.29 | iShock | lee@Vertex:~/Desktop/mesa$ cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:20.29 | iShock | processor: 0 |
| 06:20.47 | blast007 | (don't paste the whole thing) |
| 06:20.58 | blast007 | 'model name' might help |
| 06:21.19 | iShock | model name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz |
| 06:21.43 | blast007 | well, slower than mine a bit (I have a Pentium M @ that same speed) |
| 06:22.13 | iShock | How much do you get |
| 06:22.31 | blast007 | 40 to 60+ (vsync is on, so I'm not sure how high it would go) |
| 06:22.44 | iShock | vsync? |
| 06:24.59 | blast007 | vertical sync |
| 06:25.25 | blast007 | makes it sync the redraw of the game to the refresh of the screen, to prevent tearing |
| 06:25.39 | blast007 | not even sure if I can turn it off |
| 06:25.42 | iShock | Meh, I'm just trying to make this fairer, it's hard enough for a newbie, but when everyone else can triple your fps with some to spare .. |
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| 06:59.02 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18992 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * avoid stipple shadow color changes |
| 07:05.16 | delusional | I'm seeing a thin horizontal line in the text's color, as the text passes the center of the screen |
| 07:07.09 | delusional | that could be related to my continuing double vision. |
| 07:07.29 | trepan | screenshot? |
| 07:11.09 | delusional | http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/psych/bzfi0002.png |
| 07:11.24 | delusional | and the double vision has gone away, in windowed mode. |
| 07:11.45 | delusional | the earlier screenie was windowed mode |
| 07:12.05 | delusional | double-vision is still there in fullscreen |
| 07:12.22 | delusional | in the new screenie, you can see the line on the H |
| 07:15.10 | trepan | that is odd, always in the middle of the screen, always the same length? |
| 07:16.19 | delusional | definitely odd |
| 07:16.51 | delusional | seems it's there whenever the double-vision goes away... and thats not following any rhyme or reason that i can see |
| 07:17.44 | trepan | i wonder if that line distortional has anything to do with underlined text |
| 07:18.08 | trepan | is it there in worlds without text? |
| 07:18.32 | trepan | or, i can change that text for ya (bzdb) |
| 07:19.27 | delusional | http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/psych/bzfi0003.png another |
| 07:20.11 | trepan | ah, you're running your own, cool |
| 07:20.23 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.32 | trepan | see if it makes a diff (when you can see the prob) |
| 07:21.18 | delusional | no change |
| 07:21.34 | delusional | i can make the doublevision come back by hitting escape. |
| 07:21.46 | delusional | then bzflag crashes |
| 07:22.03 | blast007 | delusional: is that a debug build? |
| 07:23.35 | delusional | it is not |
| 07:26.30 | delusional | I'll reconfigure and rebuild |
| 07:34.30 | delusional | when it crashes, you wnant output of terminal? or the core file? |
| 07:34.54 | blast007 | put the core file through gdb |
| 07:35.11 | blast007 | then do 'bt' to get a backtrace |
| 07:35.14 | blast007 | (iirc) |
| 07:35.20 | blast007 | then pastebin that |
| 07:47.10 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.46 | delusional | then I hit escape, and double vision returns |
| 07:48.51 | delusional | even joined as a player it wont crash |
| 07:50.51 | delusional | ahh... fulscreen crashes it |
| 07:52.16 | delusional | I don't see a core file.. where is it? |
| 07:53.36 | BulletCatcher | The core file should be in your current directory. |
| 07:53.46 | delusional | saame as bzflag |
| 07:53.55 | delusional | thats where i'm looking |
| 07:59.15 | blast007 | (assuming your ulimit setting allows the creation of core files) |
| 08:00.29 | delusional | yeah, i've gotten them before |
| 08:00.33 | blast007 | k |
| 08:03.04 | Flash | I don't think the FTGL/FontSizer bug has been addressed... random crashes are possible/likely |
| 08:04.17 | trepan | another crash bug to keep in mind is: /set _<tab> |
| 08:09.29 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03jwmelto * r18993 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: Add space to debug output |
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| 08:58.02 | CIA-43 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r18994 10/trunk/bzflag/man/bzw.5.in: * fixed the reset codes for the text object description |
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| 12:35.20 | ts | bzbb admins: Please check this user's avatar: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32387 |
| 12:53.10 | Cobra_Slow | do you search for such pictures all day long? ;) |
| 12:53.34 | CBG | Nothing wrong with that... |
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| 13:57.51 | delusional | double-vision: http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/psych/bzfi0001.png would that have something to do with the -multisample bzflag option? |
| 14:15.42 | brad | bye listserver.. |
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| 14:22.46 | joevano | brad: did it go shopping? :P |
| 14:24.09 | delusional | >dns shop.com |
| 14:24.36 | delusional | ugh, that's argooon's operator. |
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| 14:25.16 | joevano | delusional: Argoon isn't here |
| 14:25.20 | joevano | :P |
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| 14:30.07 | dexter- | ~bzfs |
| 14:30.08 | ibot | it has been said that bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://my.bzflag.org/w/Creating_A_Server, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 14:30.23 | dexter- | er |
| 14:30.29 | dexter- | Is global down or just me? |
| 14:33.51 | delusional | its down |
| 14:35.52 | dexter- | so am I :( |
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| 14:40.28 | RatOmeter_ | list server appears to be down |
| 14:44.33 | RatOmeter_ | last bits of a traceroute: |
| 14:44.38 | RatOmeter_ | Tracing route to bzflag.org [66.111.56.50] |
| 14:44.40 | RatOmeter_ | over a maximum of 30 hops: |
| 14:44.42 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.43 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.45 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.46 | RatOmeter_ | ] |
| 14:44.48 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.50 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.52 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.53 | RatOmeter_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.45 | CBG | yes, it's down. |
| 14:45.55 | CBG | thanks for the spam |
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| 14:49.32 | RatOmeter_ | any time, CBG. Good thing my poor judgment didn't cause any active conversations to become discontinuous |
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| 15:01.09 | dexter- | lol CBG |
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| 15:14.54 | joevano | ~seen brlcad |
| 15:14.55 | ibot | brlcad <n=sean@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 1h 36m 55s ago, saying: 'mornin' claymore '. |
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| 15:31.33 | maxbaldwin | Hello |
| 15:32.05 | maxbaldwin | Is there a good site with a bunch of sample maps? |
| 15:32.31 | delusional | plenty |
| 15:32.40 | delusional | links on the way |
| 15:32.44 | maxbaldwin | What do you reccomend? |
| 15:32.48 | maxbaldwin | ok. |
| 15:33.43 | delusional | first, check map releases on the bzbb forum |
| 15:34.08 | joevano | maxbaldwin: you can also save a map from within your client |
| 15:34.44 | maxbaldwin | joevano: like, save a different server's map? |
| 15:34.46 | joevano | after you join a map, hit <esc>, Then go to 'Options... Save World' |
| 15:34.52 | maxbaldwin | oh, cool |
| 15:34.59 | maxbaldwin | that might work better... |
| 15:35.13 | joevano | that does not mean you can host the map, but you can look at the map code :) |
| 15:35.17 | delusional | or type /saveworld mapName.bzw |
| 15:35.27 | maxbaldwin | oh. :\ |
| 15:35.33 | joevano | start with simpler looking maps... for your sanity |
| 15:36.30 | joevano | maxbaldwin: maps have several different kinds of licenses, some are open but many are not |
| 15:36.46 | maxbaldwin | joevano: I used the sample one from BZE's editor... gave me a freaking migraine. So yeah, simple is way better. |
| 15:36.58 | joevano | take MissleWars for example, that is not available for hosting without permission from the author |
| 15:37.15 | joevano | but you can download it and look at the code |
| 15:37.44 | joevano | to find maps you can host (if that is a way you want to start) there is a map release thread on the forums |
| 15:37.57 | joevano | http://my.bzflag,org/bb |
| 15:38.12 | joevano | also a good place to get maps to look at |
| 15:39.46 | delusional | i like this site http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/ ... some others here http://shellshock.bzflag.bz/coolbits-links.html I highly suggest the OLD manpage for beginning mappers, this is a direct download link http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/manpages_old/bzw(5)%20-%20The%20Manual%20Page%20Database.webarchive |
| 15:40.53 | delusional | use the old, simpler manual until you get the feel of it, then move to the new one. |
| 15:41.02 | maxbaldwin | I found the one on the bzbb forums, they look good. |
| 15:41.06 | maxbaldwin | *some |
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| 15:48.05 | joevano | maxbaldwin: the one bit of advice I can give (i'm not a mapper) is to test your maps along the way, especially at first |
| 15:48.28 | maxbaldwin | ok. |
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| 16:39.48 | delusional | blast and trepan, I trashed the old and did a new build with --enable-debug..... when bzflag crashes, the bzflag window closes, but the process remains running, hence no core file is created. I can give you the output of apple's "problem report", but can't use gdb |
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| 16:41.47 | trepan | delusional: i've had luck using unstripped binaries + cores |
| 16:42.11 | trepan | (when debug execs and running in gdb don't reproduce the problem) |
| 16:42.51 | delusional | let's make sure i'm doing it right.... i'm pretty sure I got the build correct.... |
| 16:43.11 | delusional | i dont need to send anything when starting bzflag other than -d? |
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| 16:48.29 | trepan | delusional: when you do get the crashes, do you use -d ? |
| 16:48.35 | delusional | yes |
| 16:49.11 | trepan | then sure, use it :) |
| 16:49.37 | delusional | it's gdb i'm not using right, /me thinks |
| 16:50.06 | trepan | when you crash without gdb, can you get a core? |
| 16:50.30 | delusional | no |
| 16:50.39 | trepan | # ulimit -a |
| 16:50.48 | trepan | core file size ? |
| 16:51.37 | delusional | file size (blocks, -f) unlimited |
| 16:52.52 | delusional | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d1b3a1221 |
| 16:54.20 | trepan | core file size (blocks, -c) 0 |
| 16:54.45 | trepan | ulimit -c unlimited; ulimit -a |
| 16:55.01 | trepan | (not recommended for everyday use ;-) |
| 16:55.52 | delusional | i dont have to run bzflag "within" gdb? |
| 16:56.28 | trepan | nope |
| 16:56.42 | trepan | running in gdb can cause its own problems when debugging |
| 16:57.43 | delusional | ok, it froze.. I'll go make some tea while it hopefully creates a core. |
| 16:57.47 | trepan | if you want to make sure cores are working: sleep 1234 & kill -SEGV $! |
| 17:00.50 | delusional | from bzflag Bus error (core dumped) |
| 17:05.02 | delusional | i still don't see the dump anywhere |
| 17:07.41 | trepan | sleep 1234 & kill -SEGV $! |
| 17:08.48 | TD-Linux | hey, I just tested your text server trepan... it's pretty awesome :D |
| 17:08.56 | TD-Linux | no mipmapping on the fonts though :/ |
| 17:09.15 | TD-Linux | not that it will really matter for most uses of it |
| 17:09.28 | trepan | or aniso -- textures are in FTGL land |
| 17:10.04 | delusional | core should be in /src/bzflag, right? |
| 17:10.40 | trepan | look in . ? |
| 17:10.52 | trepan | or wherever you ran from |
| 17:11.21 | trepan | bzflag doesn't do a chdir() that i know of |
| 17:12.26 | delusional | ah, it's in MacintoshHD/cores |
| 17:12.42 | delusional | that must be new to OSX 10.5 |
| 17:13.00 | trepan | delusional: ah, sorry, not used to mac'ish behaviour ;-) |
| 17:13.40 | trepan | TD-Linux: once i've got the stuff in place, this is what I plan to use anyways: http://spring.clan-sy.com/websvn/filedetails.php?repname=spring&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fgame%2FLuaUI%2Ffonts.lua&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 17:14.24 | trepan | hm, the brief should be updated -- doesn't use texture from BZFlag ... |
| 17:14.45 | delusional | This GDB was configured as "i386-apple-darwin"... |
| 17:14.46 | delusional | warning: sharedlibrary preload-libraries exceeded map array while processing '/cores/core.27371' |
| 17:14.56 | delusional | so i cant get to bt |
| 17:15.50 | delusional | the core is almost 700 MB |
| 17:25.11 | trepan | delusional: don't know what to tell ya ... |
| 17:26.04 | delusional | well, i'm gonna get started on the christmas decorations. |
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| 17:40.59 | TD-Linux | whoa, GL commands in lua |
| 17:51.01 | CIA-41 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18995 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (bzflag.vcproj bzfs.vcproj game.vcproj geometry.vcproj): Add the dynamic text files to the VC8 projects. |
| 17:52.28 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/volcano.lua and http://trepan.bzflag.bz/volcano.theora.ogg |
| 17:53.47 | trepan | quarter million particles with physics done on the GPU |
| 17:56.00 | trepan | (plan to copy my spring lua gl api over to bz, so the projects could share code) |
| 17:57.07 | trepan | spring already has xray shader, toon shader, depth-of-frame, outlining, etc... (probably 100+ widgets and gadgets by now) |
| 17:57.36 | trepan | *depth-of-field |
| 17:58.17 | delusional | where's a good place to find documentation on that. |
| 17:58.21 | delusional | ? |
| 17:58.47 | trepan | http://spring.clan-sy.com/wiki/Lua_Scripting |
| 17:59.52 | trepan | the OpenGL and Engine interfaces are relevant |
| 18:04.50 | delusional | how's it gonna work for us? we embed a lua plugin directly in the bzw? |
| 18:05.11 | TD-Linux | maps become scripts it looks like |
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| 18:09.56 | trepan | delusional: this will be quite different from server side plugins |
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| 18:10.27 | trepan | LuaWorld scripts are packaged in a zip file, and that zip file can be access via a lua VFS interface |
| 18:10.35 | trepan | *accessed |
| 18:11.09 | trepan | the zip file is generated by the server, and sent along with the map |
| 18:11.22 | delusional | ok |
| 18:14.20 | trepan | the file structure looks something like this: http://trac.caspring.org/browser/trunk/mods/ca/LuaRules |
| 18:14.59 | trepan | the 'plugin' files (aka: gadgets), go into LuaWorld, and are automatically loaded by gadgets.lua |
| 18:15.45 | trepan | as you can see, the CA guys have written a few of them ;-) |
| 18:16.33 | trepan | http://trac.caspring.org/browser/trunk/mods/ca/LuaUI/Widgets is where they keep the client controlled widgets |
| 18:17.20 | trepan | (equivalent to what would be bz's LuaUser) |
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| 18:25.51 | tj13820 | If no one minds my asking, when is the *expected* release date of 3.0 or how far along is the project? |
| 18:26.48 | blast007 | tj13820: January of 2015 |
| 18:27.04 | delusional | not this year. |
| 18:27.34 | tj13820 | hehe, that's fine, i just don't know as much about the progress as the devs do :P |
| 18:27.55 | tj13820 | I'm excited for the new "web administration" panel i've heard about |
| 18:29.59 | trepan | delusional: as for embedded bzw lua code, here are a couple useful lines: |
| 18:30.07 | delusional | trepan, this is quite exciting... If I only had a brain... |
| 18:30.09 | trepan | BZ.AttachMapObject('/*', '*/', function() end) -- block comment |
| 18:30.11 | trepan | BZ.AttachMapObject('-/*', '*/', function(name, data) return data end) |
| 18:30.41 | trepan | let's you use /* */ block comments, with -/* to re-enable the block |
| 18:31.12 | trepan | (those 2 lines go inside of a 'lua' / 'end_lua' pair) |
| 18:35.30 | trepan | hm, /-* might be better, for syntax highlighting |
| 18:35.43 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.34 | delusional | lots of good quotes about brains in that wizard of oz movie. |
| 18:37.23 | trepan | think i'll change to endlual, fits with endface and enddef |
| 18:37.26 | trepan | *endlua |
| 18:40.47 | delusional | I'll be able to lift plugins directly off the page you linked to? |
| 18:41.20 | trepan | might need a couple of tweaks |
| 18:41.30 | trepan | one thing that i've done different is texture handling |
| 18:41.38 | trepan | *differently |
| 18:41.40 | delusional | thats freaky awesome. |
| 18:42.00 | trepan | but with the magic of lua, you could make gl.Texture() look the same as spring's version |
| 18:42.17 | trepan | lua is _really_ good at wrapping existing functions |
| 18:43.30 | trepan | do local oldFunc = gl.Texture; gl.Texture = function(...) doMyStuff(); oldFunc(...) end; end |
| 18:43.51 | trepan | now any call to gl.Texture() use the wrapped version |
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| 18:49.41 | delusional | now all i need is page explaining what the plugins are supposed to do. ...and for bzflag to stop crashing, do you think the reason i can't get the stack to debug is beacuse the core is to large? or do I need to correct environment for gdb? |
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| 18:49.53 | delusional | when i do this... gdb ~delusional/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 18:49.59 | delusional | it says this... |
| 18:50.14 | delusional | warning: Unable to read symbols for "@executable_path/../Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL" (file not found).warning: Unable to read symbols from "SDL" (not yet mapped into memory). |
| 18:50.14 | delusional | Reading symbols for shared libraries .................. done |
| 18:51.39 | blast007 | that's probably fine |
| 18:52.21 | blast007 | but just a note: you might get stuck in full-screen mode if you run from within GDB and it crashes |
| 18:52.40 | blast007 | do you have another machine you can debug from? |
| 18:53.06 | blast007 | (i.e., SSH to your mac from that other machine and run gdb/bzflag from there) |
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| 20:42.14 | mmarshall | On the desert war server there are a couple of players who when they get MG their shots go *clear across the map*, but when I get MG the range is *much* shorter. Am I missing something or are these guys cheating? |
| 20:43.43 | blast007 | are you just firing one spray of bullets, are are you holding down the fire button? |
| 20:44.15 | mmarshall | Spray? Is the range longer when you only shoot one? |
| 20:44.23 | blast007 | seems like it's just the settings they have used. It might reload before the bullets finish traveling. |
| 20:44.42 | blast007 | so if you don't refire the same bullets, they will travel further (however, you might not see them go that far) |
| 20:45.01 | mmarshall | I see. |
| 20:45.21 | mmarshall | Is there a slash command to show the server settings? |
| 20:45.33 | mmarshall | (Or how they differ from the defaults?) |
| 20:49.24 | blast007 | /diff |
| 20:49.29 | blast007 | shows the ones that are changed |
| 20:49.33 | blast007 | or /set to see them lal |
| 20:49.34 | blast007 | all* |
| 20:54.36 | mmarshall | thanks |
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| 20:55.46 | mmarshall | Ok, _mGunAddRate is quite a bit higher than _mGunAddVelocity. |
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| 23:00.43 | Flash | delusional: I always run with -window when I'm debugging on the mac. There is no way to get keyboard focus from a full-screen app |
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| 23:09.22 | ibunny | lets seee... |
| 23:09.24 | ibunny | hello! |
| 23:09.43 | me1 | good bye |
| 23:09.44 | me1 | :( |
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| 23:09.50 | ibunny | it happens |
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| 23:10.14 | ibunny | go... |
| 23:10.31 | me1 | seemed to forget an all importiant > |
| 23:10.53 | ibunny | whats so importian ?? |
| 23:11.00 | ibunny | +t |
| 23:11.26 | ibunny | brlcad, hey |
| 23:11.49 | ibunny | 6 hours! thats not goin to answer me... |
| 23:12.46 | ibunny | oh well i have come to say HI!... oye manu manu... apuraaa di algo :)# |
| 23:12.51 | ibunny | bye ppl |
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| 23:58.49 | delusional | flash... for some reason the generated core file is un-usable by GDB, got any clues on that? warning: sharedlibrary preload-libraries exceeded map array while processing '/cores/core.27371' |
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