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| 00:20.25 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19104 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/ (SDLDisplay.cxx SDLWindow.cxx SDLWindow.h): |
| 00:20.25 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * replaced the 'mx' & 'my' global vars with SDLWindow static vars |
| 00:20.25 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * re-indented some of SDLDisplay.cxx |
| 00:21.33 | leeguy921 | would i be correct in saying that all packets have a fixed size? there is a length field, but all of the variable length fields are padded with NULLs |
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| 00:22.55 | SoundlessChaos | hey guys |
| 00:23.11 | trepan | leeguy921: that doesn't sound right (also, you probably meant NULs :) |
| 00:23.21 | SoundlessChaos | got a question.. and eed a little help with setting up my bzfs server.. |
| 00:23.25 | SoundlessChaos | need* |
| 00:23.45 | SoundlessChaos | or am i in the wrong room? |
| 00:24.03 | trepan | SoundlessChaos: specific question? |
| 00:24.32 | SoundlessChaos | well when i start my server up.. i get the mouse enhancments thing.. |
| 00:24.45 | SoundlessChaos | you know what i mean? |
| 00:24.55 | trepan | nope |
| 00:25.11 | trepan | accel limit or some such? |
| 00:25.15 | SoundlessChaos | yes |
| 00:25.17 | SoundlessChaos | that. |
| 00:25.19 | SoundlessChaos | so i set a limit |
| 00:25.25 | SoundlessChaos | and it doesnt do anything. |
| 00:25.35 | leeguy921 | i always called them NULLs, but the wiki says NUL. hmmm.... |
| 00:25.39 | SoundlessChaos | i cant do the bzfs-conf and path to file thing cuz i cant type in the box |
| 00:25.44 | trepan | NUL for the char, NULL for the pointer |
| 00:25.49 | leeguy921 | ah |
| 00:26.00 | leeguy921 | i guess u learn something new every day |
| 00:26.11 | trepan | unless you sleep through the entire day |
| 00:26.16 | Winny | SoundlessChaos: define the acceleration limit in your configuration file then restart the server |
| 00:26.17 | leeguy921 | i do that |
| 00:26.31 | leeguy921 | at least until school starts again |
| 00:26.50 | SoundlessChaos | well i dk how to make the server point to the config. |
| 00:27.02 | leeguy921 | the -conf option i think |
| 00:27.23 | SoundlessChaos | well i cant type tht in the box |
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| 00:27.29 | SoundlessChaos | it wont let me type nothing. |
| 00:27.31 | SoundlessChaos | in the server box |
| 00:27.42 | leeguy921 | no, u start the server with that option |
| 00:28.01 | SoundlessChaos | how tho exactly?? so what i dont double click bzfs?? |
| 00:28.01 | leeguy921 | you type: |
| 00:28.01 | leeguy921 | bzfs -conf /path/to/config/file |
| 00:28.12 | leeguy921 | no, u need to start it from command line |
| 00:28.23 | leeguy921 | or modify ur shortcut |
| 00:28.41 | SoundlessChaos | ohhh now i see now it makes sence.. okay and say if i dont wanna type that evey time.. can i make a batch file that will auto run that when i click it? |
| 00:29.18 | SoundlessChaos | so wait i can modify the bzfs shortcut?? |
| 00:29.36 | leeguy921 | i suppose you could, but i would just make a shortcut to point to it with the target: c:\program files\bzflag\bzfs -conf /path/to/config |
| 00:29.58 | SoundlessChaos | how do i make that tho. like what type of file. |
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| 00:30.37 | leeguy921 | assuming you are in windows, right click somewhere, go to new->shortcut, and browse for the bzfs.exe file |
| 00:30.47 | SoundlessChaos | k i am in windows |
| 00:30.56 | leeguy921 | it usually in c:\program files\bzflag |
| 00:31.01 | SoundlessChaos | yeah |
| 00:31.49 | SoundlessChaos | k gt the shortcut |
| 00:31.49 | leeguy921 | once you have made the shortcut, go to its properties, and add "-conf /path/to/config/file" to the end of it |
| 00:31.52 | SoundlessChaos | and i clicked next |
| 00:31.57 | leeguy921 | to the end of the target box |
| 00:32.06 | leeguy921 | k |
| 00:32.11 | SoundlessChaos | and then i should be good? |
| 00:32.18 | harveyfrank | hello |
| 00:32.22 | SoundlessChaos | hey harvey |
| 00:32.24 | leeguy921 | as long as you add that parameter, yes |
| 00:32.33 | SoundlessChaos | okay i thank you so much for the help. |
| 00:32.39 | leeguy921 | np |
| 00:33.04 | SoundlessChaos | so i do bzfs.exe then space -conf/path/to/file |
| 00:33.12 | leeguy921 | yes |
| 00:34.18 | leeguy921 | oop, it would actually be path\to\file on windows(cos they use backslashes....STILL) |
| 00:34.43 | SoundlessChaos | well i did it but it said im useing inccorect parameters |
| 00:34.47 | SoundlessChaos | for the shortcut |
| 00:34.51 | SoundlessChaos | so it took out all the slashes |
| 00:35.20 | leeguy921 | yeah, i it does that if you put forward slashes in it |
| 00:36.01 | leeguy921 | if you put the config file in the same directory as bzfs.exe, you can just use "-conf config.txt" assuming the file is config.txt |
| 00:36.03 | SoundlessChaos | still says the same error |
| 00:36.19 | SoundlessChaos | its bzfs.conf |
| 00:36.38 | leeguy921 | where is it located? |
| 00:36.49 | SoundlessChaos | Program Files-BZFlag2.0.10-misc |
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| 00:37.07 | SoundlessChaos | C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\misc |
| 00:37.09 | SoundlessChaos | thats where |
| 00:37.36 | leeguy921 | hmm... so the parameter will be "-conf misc\bzfs.conf" |
| 00:37.51 | SoundlessChaos | thats all? |
| 00:37.54 | SoundlessChaos | no programfiles |
| 00:38.19 | leeguy921 | i think so, i cant remember how windows does it. to be safe, you could put the "absolute" path in |
| 00:38.36 | SoundlessChaos | any spaces allowed in these paths. |
| 00:38.40 | SoundlessChaos | cuz it still says the error |
| 00:38.58 | leeguy921 | wrap the whole thing in quotes if you are using spaces. i think |
| 00:39.21 | leeguy921 | there needs to be a space after -conf aswell |
| 00:39.29 | leeguy921 | before the path |
| 00:40.06 | SoundlessChaos | okay so hang on here. |
| 00:40.09 | leeguy921 | k |
| 00:40.45 | leeguy921 | i think the whole command should be: "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\bzfs.exe -conf C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\misc\bzfs.conf" |
| 00:40.46 | SoundlessChaos | said make sure path and file naem are correct |
| 00:40.53 | leeguy921 | with quotes |
| 00:41.10 | harveyfrank | soundless is a butt |
| 00:41.31 | SoundlessChaos | said the speified path is incorrect |
| 00:41.56 | leeguy921 | is it BZFlag2.0.10 or BZFlag-2.0.10??? |
| 00:42.02 | SoundlessChaos | so do i put the path in start in or target? |
| 00:42.24 | SoundlessChaos | the first one |
| 00:43.01 | leeguy921 | 1 mo, im gonna try it. lol |
| 00:43.45 | SoundlessChaos | k |
| 00:46.19 | leeguy921 | right, it seems like you can use the indirect path. so the target box should contain: "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\bzfs.exe -conf misc\bzfs.conf" |
| 00:46.19 | leeguy921 | start in should say: "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\" |
| 00:46.19 | leeguy921 | all of this WITH quotes |
| 00:47.03 | leeguy921 | blast007: thanks for pointing me to the protocol.h file |
| 00:47.43 | SoundlessChaos | gives me that same damn error |
| 00:47.53 | SoundlessChaos | the name in the target box is too big or what not |
| 00:48.47 | leeguy921 | weird....1 m |
| 00:48.49 | leeguy921 | o |
| 00:53.22 | leeguy921 | ah, problem solved. |
| 00:53.26 | leeguy921 | "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\bzfs.exe" -conf misc\bzfs.conf |
| 00:53.38 | leeguy921 | the quote needs to go BEFORE the parameter |
| 00:53.59 | SoundlessChaos | on both?? |
| 00:54.27 | leeguy921 | no, there should only be a parameter in the target field. start in should say ""C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.10\" |
| 00:54.36 | SoundlessChaos | k that let me save it |
| 00:54.39 | SoundlessChaos | but when i double click |
| 00:54.45 | SoundlessChaos | it still has the accel limit |
| 00:54.58 | SoundlessChaos | so whats the way to make the config be read. |
| 00:55.22 | leeguy921 | the config should be read as soon as it starts |
| 00:55.38 | SoundlessChaos | well it still has the note with the acell stuff |
| 00:55.41 | leeguy921 | by default it says "no acceleration limit has been set" |
| 00:55.57 | leeguy921 | have you added an accel limit to bzfs.conf |
| 00:55.59 | SoundlessChaos | i have it set to 50 50 |
| 00:56.25 | leeguy921 | just make sure you put it in bzfs.conf rather than bzfs_conf. |
| 00:56.34 | SoundlessChaos | i did. |
| 00:57.28 | SoundlessChaos | got it |
| 00:57.49 | SoundlessChaos | again |
| 00:57.52 | SoundlessChaos | thanks again |
| 00:58.23 | leeguy921 | so it works now |
| 00:59.10 | SoundlessChaos | weird |
| 00:59.15 | SoundlessChaos | i cant connec tto my own server |
| 00:59.32 | leeguy921 | oh, jesus.... |
| 00:59.36 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 00:59.44 | leeguy921 | what it say? |
| 00:59.46 | SoundlessChaos | im ona router so its only one of two things. |
| 00:59.53 | SoundlessChaos | error trying to connect |
| 01:00.02 | SoundlessChaos | either my ports blocked. |
| 01:00.06 | SoundlessChaos | or i need to not use udp |
| 01:00.23 | leeguy921 | or you are on the wrong port. |
| 01:00.24 | SoundlessChaos | the console in the command ine is fine |
| 01:00.30 | SoundlessChaos | 5154 |
| 01:00.47 | leeguy921 | whats the address? |
| 01:01.14 | leeguy921 | should be localhost or 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:01.15 | SoundlessChaos | 98.212.233.144:5154 |
| 01:01.27 | leeguy921 | if its on the same machine |
| 01:01.33 | SoundlessChaos | you mean my router adress |
| 01:01.54 | leeguy921 | if you are on the same machine as the server, you can just use the loopback address |
| 01:02.03 | SoundlessChaos | wich is? |
| 01:02.08 | leeguy921 | which is 127.0.0.1 or localhost for short |
| 01:02.22 | SoundlessChaos | but will i be able to see any others who join? |
| 01:02.32 | leeguy921 | and dont put the port number after the address with a colon |
| 01:02.45 | leeguy921 | yes you will be logging on like anyone else |
| 01:04.04 | SoundlessChaos | not showing up on server list btw. |
| 01:05.43 | leeguy921 | you wont show up on the server list unless you have the -public thing in the bzfs.conf file enabled |
| 01:05.51 | me1 | SoundlessChaos, for it to show up on the server list you need to forward port 5154 (or whatever port you are using for bzfs) in your firewall/router |
| 01:05.58 | leeguy921 | ah, and that |
| 01:06.29 | leeguy921 | for details, see portforward.com |
| 01:07.42 | SoundlessChaos | ive forwarded the port. |
| 01:07.46 | SoundlessChaos | still not showing on list |
| 01:07.51 | SoundlessChaos | i can join thru local host |
| 01:07.57 | SoundlessChaos | just i need to find it on the list |
| 01:09.35 | SoundlessChaos | yeah so i can join thru localhost |
| 01:09.41 | SoundlessChaos | but i cant find it on the main servers list. |
| 01:10.30 | leeguy921 | have you added -public "THIS IS A SERVER" to bzfs.conf? |
| 01:11.41 | SoundlessChaos | it said to do -publicaddr |
| 01:11.55 | leeguy921 | you need that aswell |
| 01:12.14 | SoundlessChaos | so wait.. what do i do then all i have is -publicaddr |
| 01:12.43 | leeguy921 | underneath, add -public "SoundlessChaoss server" |
| 01:13.08 | SoundlessChaos | yes i have the -public |
| 01:13.13 | SoundlessChaos | its there. |
| 01:13.17 | SoundlessChaos | just not on server list |
| 01:13.47 | leeguy921 | restarted the server? |
| 01:14.50 | leeguy921 | right, the problem isnt the public thing, the port hasnt been set up. i cant access it from here, and i know your IP |
| 01:14.51 | SoundlessChaos | yes just did heres my question |
| 01:14.55 | SoundlessChaos | for publicaddr |
| 01:15.09 | SoundlessChaos | should there be quates before and after the IP? |
| 01:15.12 | leeguy921 | no |
| 01:15.21 | SoundlessChaos | k and should the port be there? |
| 01:15.28 | leeguy921 | yes with a colon |
| 01:15.33 | SoundlessChaos | yes i have that |
| 01:15.43 | SoundlessChaos | and a sace i asume betwen the addr and the IP |
| 01:15.47 | SoundlessChaos | space* |
| 01:16.04 | leeguy921 | did you forward the port to that machine? or just unblock it? |
| 01:16.18 | leeguy921 | also, your windows firewall may be gettin in the way |
| 01:16.21 | SoundlessChaos | i went to my router |
| 01:16.27 | SoundlessChaos | and forwarded the port 5154 |
| 01:16.31 | SoundlessChaos | on udp. |
| 01:16.33 | leeguy921 | to what address? |
| 01:16.42 | leeguy921 | you need it on TCP as well |
| 01:16.49 | SoundlessChaos | oh shit thats why so i need both? |
| 01:17.14 | leeguy921 | yes bzflag uses TCP for loggin in, and udp for tracking positions and stuff |
| 01:18.15 | SoundlessChaos | thank you servers on the list and running |
| 01:18.16 | SoundlessChaos | :) |
| 01:18.21 | leeguy921 | yay |
| 01:18.34 | leeguy921 | im there |
| 01:18.38 | SoundlessChaos | lol im bout to be |
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| 01:58.03 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: please watch your language on this channel. |
| 02:12.47 | SoundlessChaos | sorry blast.. |
| 02:12.50 | SoundlessChaos | wasnt aware.. |
| 02:15.42 | SoundlessChaos | dos anyone know where to get the betas of 2.99?? |
| 02:15.46 | SoundlessChaos | i cant seem to find them. |
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| 02:17.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 02:17.12 | leeguy921 | here are the windows builds: |
| 02:17.13 | leeguy921 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/ |
| 02:18.09 | me1 | if you want an up to date copy of 2.99, you should compile your own |
| 02:19.42 | leeguy921 | hes runnin windows, and compiling on windows sounds unpleasant |
| 02:19.56 | SoundlessChaos | yes...yesit does |
| 02:20.02 | temp_dist | not as bad as eating glass |
| 02:20.09 | SoundlessChaos | ude be surpised.. |
| 02:20.56 | me1 | leeguy921, yes, but he *won't* fine current builds for 2.99 |
| 02:21.22 | leeguy921 | not current, no |
| 02:21.42 | leeguy921 | but still featuring the shiny new graphics!!! |
| 02:21.57 | me1 | nope |
| 02:22.22 | SoundlessChaos | so is this compiled? |
| 02:22.22 | me1 | iirc, the only windows build for 2.99 was when it was still called 2.1.x |
| 02:22.42 | me1 | tho there might have been 1 more |
| 02:23.25 | SoundlessChaos | so whens this new ome supposed to be out? |
| 02:23.29 | SoundlessChaos | one* |
| 02:23.40 | fatass | when it's done |
| 02:23.43 | leeguy921 | when they work out the kinks |
| 02:24.14 | leeguy921 | where is the linux source? |
| 02:24.18 | leeguy921 | i found it before |
| 02:24.24 | me1 | sourceforge |
| 02:24.35 | SoundlessChaos | ive got it running now so wait can i runa server for this thing yet? |
| 02:24.44 | leeguy921 | is the code in SVN for 2.99? |
| 02:24.46 | leeguy921 | yes |
| 02:24.47 | me1 | and it's just "source," you can compile it on many platforms, not just linux. |
| 02:24.55 | me1 | leeguy921, svn trunk is 2.99 |
| 02:25.00 | leeguy921 | ty |
| 02:25.06 | me1 | for 2.0.x, it's in the 2_0 branch folder |
| 02:26.55 | leeguy921 | im still crawling through the bzflag source for the protocols. |
| 02:26.55 | leeguy921 | maybe i should be working with the bzflag 3 protocol(i hear there are changes) |
| 02:27.24 | me1 | many |
| 02:27.30 | SoundlessChaos | this is cool. |
| 02:27.36 | SoundlessChaos | seems they have added mementum to the tanks. |
| 02:27.41 | SoundlessChaos | but theres only one server |
| 02:27.50 | SoundlessChaos | and its a stupid map |
| 02:28.03 | leeguy921 | you can have momentum in bzflag 2 |
| 02:28.13 | me1 | SoundlessChaos, did you compile yourself? if not, that version is old |
| 02:28.24 | SoundlessChaos | i didnt compile no... |
| 02:28.31 | SoundlessChaos | nits an ollld version yes |
| 02:28.36 | SoundlessChaos | like.. september |
| 02:28.44 | me1 | i'm surprised there still is a server, then :P |
| 02:29.01 | SoundlessChaos | idk how to compile sorry.. |
| 02:29.45 | SoundlessChaos | brb tho.. and if anyone has the newer one.. passit along plz |
| 02:29.47 | leeguy921 | if you were on mac/darwin, the process is usually as simple as going into the dir, typing ./configure |
| 02:29.47 | leeguy921 | then make |
| 02:29.48 | leeguy921 | then make install |
| 02:30.15 | me1 | from the stories i hear, compiling bzflag on macos is the worst |
| 02:31.12 | SoundlessChaos | anyone have a compiled newer version?? |
| 02:31.18 | TkTech | me1: O: Not rly |
| 02:31.32 | TkTech | never had any issue with it, except with an outdated libcurl |
| 02:32.17 | me1 | TkTech, oh, cool. :D (/me erases that previous comment) |
| 02:32.40 | SoundlessChaos | okay so in everyons words hows the new version look? |
| 02:32.46 | SoundlessChaos | like the latest compilation. |
| 02:33.30 | leeguy921 | shiny. it's not only the look they are changing. they are giving the whole thing an overhaul |
| 02:33.45 | SoundlessChaos | the tanks look the same? |
| 02:33.56 | leeguy921 | i think the models are a little more detailed |
| 02:34.02 | leeguy921 | im not sure though |
| 02:34.17 | leeguy921 | maybe there will be IPv6 support |
| 02:35.05 | SoundlessChaos | anyone have suggestions on where to get maps? |
| 02:35.35 | TkTech | SoundlessChaos: Notepad, lol |
| 02:35.42 | SoundlessChaos | rofl |
| 02:35.47 | SoundlessChaos | ya dont say lol |
| 02:36.10 | me1 | SoundlessChaos, there is a "map releases" forum on the bzbb. |
| 02:36.34 | SoundlessChaos | the weird thing is i cant find bzbb lol |
| 02:36.43 | temp_dist | SoundlessChaos: bzflag.planet-mofo.com:4040 has about 1400 old and very old maps that were released in various forums |
| 02:36.46 | me1 | Though I think that it has been subject to some purging, as some posts i remember are missing |
| 02:37.06 | temp_dist | it's a mapchange server that any registered player can change |
| 02:37.09 | leeguy921 | whoa, this release is over 11MB in gzipped format |
| 02:37.21 | leeguy921 | it's bigger than 2.0.12 |
| 02:37.25 | SoundlessChaos | so thats another thing i wanted to ask... |
| 02:37.28 | me1 | SoundlessChaos, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=BZFlag+Forums&l=1 |
| 02:37.32 | SoundlessChaos | how do i make a map change server |
| 02:37.45 | leeguy921 | i think it's a plugin |
| 02:37.49 | leeguy921 | for the server |
| 02:37.53 | TkTech | leeguy921: Is there actually a release for the beta? Or SVN fetch only |
| 02:38.03 | leeguy921 | SVN, no release |
| 02:38.14 | SoundlessChaos | oh dang i got google pwned |
| 02:38.36 | TkTech | I can't use google, its blocking me because my queries look like an automated attack |
| 02:38.48 | TkTech | lol. Dynamic IP win. |
| 02:38.51 | spldart | o_O |
| 02:40.18 | TkTech | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Rotating_Maps |
| 02:40.42 | TkTech | There's also a plugin on the forum somewhere for timed rotates |
| 02:42.22 | leeguy921 | im runnin autogen.sh as we speak |
| 02:42.34 | SoundlessChaos | whats that? |
| 02:42.43 | spldart | linux build first step |
| 02:43.32 | SoundlessChaos | anyone know if the copper kingdoms ma has been relased? |
| 02:43.35 | SoundlessChaos | map* |
| 02:45.00 | leeguy921 | geez, bzflag is one hell of a project(i think this whenever i run "make" |
| 02:45.27 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 02:45.35 | SoundlessChaos | its big ill give it that |
| 02:45.59 | TkTech | pfft |
| 02:46.04 | TkTech | trying building SecondLife |
| 02:46.07 | TkTech | *try |
| 02:46.14 | SoundlessChaos | rofl |
| 02:47.40 | leeguy921 | damn, what do i do to get the OpenGL development files for building in fedora?? |
| 02:48.14 | SoundlessChaos | hmm if i make my conf file open with notepad.. |
| 02:48.17 | SoundlessChaos | wil it still work? |
| 02:48.25 | leeguy921 | yes |
| 02:48.29 | SoundlessChaos | deven ifi save it as a notpad |
| 02:48.32 | SoundlessChaos | even* |
| 02:48.45 | leeguy921 | it only needs to be saved as bzfs.conf |
| 02:48.56 | leeguy921 | the editor you use doesnt matter |
| 02:49.00 | SoundlessChaos | but the openwith thing |
| 02:49.28 | TkTech | huh? Its a plain text file |
| 02:49.29 | leeguy921 | its windows which remembers, it doesnt actually have the preferred application stored in the file |
| 02:49.55 | TkTech | yeah...its not like MACTYPE on Mac OS |
| 02:50.17 | spldart | notepad in windows and nano in linux work great... And there are many other options for your .conf files |
| 02:51.07 | TkTech | nano is easy to get, use yum install nano (centos, redhat, ect) or apt-get install nano (ubuntu, ect) |
| 02:51.33 | leeguy921 | but where do i get the opengl api development files. what is the package called/ |
| 02:51.35 | spldart | ubuntu and debian type distro's should always have nano default ;) |
| 02:51.46 | TkTech | server installs won't |
| 02:51.52 | spldart | search your package manager of choice? |
| 02:51.57 | spldart | Ah |
| 02:52.12 | spldart | I've always base installed and built up |
| 02:52.30 | TkTech | leeguy932: What distro? |
| 02:52.41 | TkTech | we don't know what repo's or even your package manager is, can't really help you |
| 02:53.25 | leeguy921 | fedora |
| 02:53.38 | leeguy921 | its ok, i got it now |
| 02:53.47 | leeguy921 | it was libGLU |
| 02:54.03 | *** join/#bzflag Swigg_ (n=Default@24-158-73-008.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) |
| 02:54.27 | leeguy921 | shame about the console bzflag project |
| 02:54.53 | leeguy921 | maybe they could get it working on a ps3 |
| 02:55.54 | temp_dist | get linux working on a console, then BZF |
| 02:55.57 | TkTech | it works on a ps2 with the linux package |
| 02:55.58 | spldart | Man. I wont be much help in fedora |
| 02:56.11 | leeguy921 | im too young for secondlife, lol |
| 02:56.13 | TkTech | Sony sold an official linux package a few years ago |
| 02:56.27 | TkTech | so? I joined when I was several years underage |
| 02:56.36 | spldart | just torrented a dvd for linux on ps2 |
| 02:56.36 | leeguy921 | meh |
| 02:56.51 | TkTech | spldart! |
| 02:56.53 | TkTech | EPIC FAIL |
| 02:56.55 | leeguy921 | i thought it was only released in japan |
| 02:57.03 | TkTech | You want to SUPPORT linux releases |
| 02:57.04 | TkTech | buy it |
| 02:57.05 | TkTech | lol |
| 02:57.05 | blast007 | I have a copy of it |
| 02:57.11 | blast007 | TkTech: you can't buy it anymore |
| 02:57.17 | TkTech | ebay |
| 02:57.18 | blast007 | only from places like eBay |
| 02:57.19 | spldart | w0rd |
| 02:57.21 | TkTech | always several copies |
| 02:57.38 | blast007 | spldart: you won't be able to install it from a self-burned DVD |
| 02:57.59 | spldart | Huh? |
| 02:58.01 | spldart | Mod chip |
| 02:58.06 | blast007 | nvm then :P |
| 02:58.07 | leeguy921 | a native bzflag for the PS3 would be nice. who wants to write some low level graphics libraries???! |
| 02:58.14 | TkTech | why? |
| 02:58.19 | TkTech | you already have the dev pacakge |
| 02:58.20 | SoundlessChaos | applying new map to my server.. |
| 02:58.22 | TkTech | *package |
| 02:58.35 | leeguy921 | native, i mean without an OS |
| 02:59.06 | blast007 | leeguy921: sure, if you want to shell out the thousands of dollars per developer for the SDK |
| 02:59.14 | leeguy921 | me = developers!!!!! |
| 02:59.18 | spldart | >TkTech: I do support various free software. Cash and other donations. Usually through SF but sometimes otherways. |
| 02:59.29 | leeguy921 | 5 dorrar, i code long time |
| 02:59.38 | TkTech | Heh, I'm just being an ass |
| 02:59.40 | spldart | heh |
| 02:59.41 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: I haven't read all the scrollback, so this might have been answered. But if you want to try 2.99.x, you need to build from source. It's pretty easy to do it, even on Windows. |
| 02:59.59 | leeguy921 | are there any opengl bindings for lolcode?? that would be cool |
| 03:00.11 | TkTech | lol opengl bindings for brain fuck |
| 03:00.29 | me1 | blast007, direct linking to uploads gives "error forbidden 403" on the forum, example: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/bzfi0002_201.png |
| 03:00.34 | leeguy921 | dude, lang, remember!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(HIT THE DECKS!!) |
| 03:00.44 | me1 | blast007, should it do that? |
| 03:00.50 | spldart | Except for me ;) |
| 03:00.52 | leeguy921 | this monster of a package(bzflag2.99) is still compiling |
| 03:00.55 | TkTech | its a name, I'm sure they' are mature enough. |
| 03:01.01 | spldart | Language TK |
| 03:01.12 | TkTech | apparently not |
| 03:01.25 | blast007 | TkTech: doesn't mean you should say it here |
| 03:01.32 | leeguy921 | i never understood brainf*ck |
| 03:01.37 | leeguy921 | i think thats the idea |
| 03:01.49 | blast007 | me1: hmm, maybe |
| 03:01.56 | spldart | Keep the squicking language under control. |
| 03:02.07 | blast007 | there's probably an option for it |
| 03:02.17 | blast007 | me1: is there a reason you need to direct link to the file? |
| 03:02.46 | leeguy921 | hey, is there a way to do a distributed compilation across a network? |
| 03:03.01 | TkTech | distcc |
| 03:03.07 | TkTech | I have my rack running it |
| 03:03.10 | spldart | All OS's being equal... should be fine |
| 03:03.16 | trepan | leeguy921: http://distcc.samba.org/ |
| 03:03.17 | me1 | blast007, I just noticed it in some old posts, since it used to not be forbidden. |
| 03:03.18 | spldart | non windows that is |
| 03:03.19 | leeguy921 | ah, cool. ty |
| 03:04.01 | spldart | I crave tank shooting |
| 03:04.10 | spldart | runs away |
| 03:04.22 | blast007 | me1: ah |
| 03:07.44 | leeguy921 | personally i prefer C to C++ (it's not as confuzzed). is there a reason bzflag is in C++? |
| 03:08.11 | TkTech | because its much cleaner and more modular code (if you know how to program) |
| 03:08.32 | leeguy921 | but it has like a million uses for the word static |
| 03:08.34 | fatass | what, nobody here likes java, hmm? |
| 03:08.38 | leeguy921 | java w00t |
| 03:08.42 | leeguy921 | but slow |
| 03:08.48 | TkTech | my operating system is in C++, the only really fun thing is messing with virtual tables. |
| 03:09.16 | fatass | everything isn't in C++ |
| 03:09.18 | leeguy921 | im thinking about making a 2d bzflag-inspired game which runs as an applet |
| 03:09.35 | blast007 | why not 3D? |
| 03:09.37 | TkTech | fatass: Duh? |
| 03:09.55 | delusional_ | BattlePlane |
| 03:09.56 | leeguy921 | i dunno if a java applet would handle it |
| 03:09.57 | SoundlessChaos | hey ppls |
| 03:09.58 | fatass | so, your operating system isn't all in C++ |
| 03:10.00 | SoundlessChaos | im back. |
| 03:10.04 | SoundlessChaos | sheesh i need better maps |
| 03:10.04 | TkTech | leeguy921: like singleplayer tank scroller? |
| 03:10.12 | blast007 | leeguy921: there's the ability to run OpenGL in Java |
| 03:10.19 | fatass | JOGL, iirc |
| 03:10.22 | blast007 | at least to some extent |
| 03:10.23 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:10.27 | TkTech | fatass: Uh, yeah it is. main is an extern "C" and the ctor/dtor loader is in asm |
| 03:10.41 | TkTech | frankly I'm pretty sure I know what language I wrote it in was |
| 03:10.46 | blast007 | leeguy921: http://www.jmonkeyengine.com/ |
| 03:10.49 | leeguy921 | wouldnt it be kinda slow? due to all of the UDP going on at the same time |
| 03:10.51 | me1 | blast007, oh, do you know if there is purging in the "Map Releases" forum? |
| 03:10.52 | SoundlessChaos | hey anyone here use icechat as there irc client? |
| 03:10.54 | blast007 | not that it would be a *good* idea |
| 03:11.08 | fatass | there's assembly in there, though |
| 03:11.31 | leeguy921 | hows about a java version of bzflag, which is protocol compatible. |
| 03:11.39 | SoundlessChaos | that would be cool. |
| 03:11.40 | blast007 | meh |
| 03:11.41 | TkTech | no kidding? |
| 03:11.45 | SoundlessChaos | like bzflag for the ipod touch |
| 03:11.54 | blast007 | that would be a waste of time |
| 03:11.59 | SoundlessChaos | ide play it.. |
| 03:12.00 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 03:12.02 | TkTech | How would you get around my 4 lines of asm? |
| 03:12.06 | fatass | it wouldn't run on ipod/ipod touch |
| 03:12.11 | leeguy921 | and it would cost moneys....NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:12.25 | spldart | it would run? NO! |
| 03:12.42 | fatass | well, maybe it would but it's GL GS, right? |
| 03:13.03 | blast007 | GL ES, you mean? |
| 03:13.05 | leeguy921 | yeah, they have given us an SDK, but no way to download them to the actual device. damn them.. |
| 03:13.14 | fatass | ES, yeah |
| 03:13.37 | blast007 | bzflag wouldn't be ported to the iPod touch anyway |
| 03:13.48 | blast007 | it would be a new game that is similar |
| 03:13.53 | leeguy921 | it would need a complete rewrite |
| 03:13.58 | blast007 | yes |
| 03:14.01 | leeguy921 | bzflag i would think is too heavy |
| 03:14.03 | TkTech | although with the 3D accelero's it would be fun |
| 03:14.04 | fatass | it's kinda pointless |
| 03:14.26 | fatass | you wouldn't be able to control anything very well, and 3D would be pretty limited |
| 03:14.28 | leeguy921 | bzflag itself is KINDA pointless. as jeffM said |
| 03:14.38 | leeguy921 | still fun though |
| 03:14.40 | TkTech | Point: you can import C/C++ into Flash |
| 03:14.44 | me1 | blast007, do you know if there is auto purging in the "Map Releases" forum? Because I've noticed some topics that are not there. |
| 03:14.47 | TkTech | Point: Flash runs on the iPod |
| 03:14.54 | blast007 | me1: hrm |
| 03:14.55 | SoundlessChaos | okay with that outlook any game is kinda pointless. |
| 03:14.56 | blast007 | I hope not |
| 03:14.59 | leeguy921 | bzflag in flash!!! |
| 03:15.23 | leeguy921 | tell that to jeffM. |
| 03:15.52 | SoundlessChaos | who cares what jeffm thinks..?? hes just a person like us only with a differnt outlook.. we dont have to listen or follow it tho. |
| 03:16.03 | leeguy921 | sound reasoning |
| 03:16.04 | spldart | ?!?! |
| 03:16.10 | SoundlessChaos | i say bzflag has a main purpose and that is to sepreate the stupid noobs from the elite noobs |
| 03:16.12 | SoundlessChaos | xD |
| 03:16.13 | leeguy921 | how about bzflag in video game arcades. now that would be good |
| 03:16.32 | fatass | heh, i don't even play bzflag |
| 03:16.33 | SoundlessChaos | a arcade with wifi access to other players.. |
| 03:16.35 | leeguy921 | a bzflag cabinet with two sticks and jump and fire buttons |
| 03:16.36 | SoundlessChaos | cmon far reach man |
| 03:16.49 | spldart | full circle? |
| 03:17.11 | SoundlessChaos | okay guys brb. |
| 03:17.13 | leeguy921 | im still compiling this behemoth of a program |
| 03:17.27 | spldart | You = slow cpu |
| 03:17.39 | fatass | bzflag takes about 30minutes to compile on my ppc, 3 on my core2 box |
| 03:17.40 | blast007 | me1: no, pruning is disabled |
| 03:18.04 | leeguy921 | ((me->computer->age == 5) = true |
| 03:18.31 | spldart | Slow for a 5 y/0 compy |
| 03:18.35 | leeguy921 | i got an athlon 64 3700+ Top of the line. or at least it was |
| 03:18.39 | blast007 | you've got a syntax error this. Mismatched paranthesis |
| 03:18.39 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:18.42 | blast007 | there* |
| 03:18.45 | TkTech | to distribute and build on my MIMO wireless N network: wait a minute.... |
| 03:18.51 | leeguy921 | bzflag 2 compiles much faster |
| 03:18.58 | TkTech | 8.9s |
| 03:19.05 | leeguy921 | wee!! |
| 03:19.11 | spldart | BeeP |
| 03:19.12 | spldart | 1` |
| 03:19.20 | blast007 | leeguy921: we have some additional libraries that we build with 2.99.x |
| 03:19.28 | blast007 | our font system now uses TTF fonts, for instance |
| 03:19.32 | leeguy921 | yay, it's done!! |
| 03:19.38 | spldart | and |
| 03:19.40 | blast007 | so we build FTGL and FreeType |
| 03:19.41 | spldart | success? |
| 03:19.50 | trepan | blast007: unless you already have it, iirc |
| 03:19.57 | blast007 | trepan: right |
| 03:19.59 | leeguy921 | "Cant create window. exiting." lol |
| 03:20.07 | TkTech | SDL fail? |
| 03:20.14 | leeguy921 | that all it say |
| 03:20.16 | blast007 | did you build with SDL? |
| 03:20.49 | leeguy921 | do you have to specify that, if so, no i didnt |
| 03:22.20 | spldart | Did you get a SDL yes or no in your ./configure?> |
| 03:22.26 | spldart | IIRC |
| 03:22.42 | fatass | blast007: suggestion for forum, could you make the BZFlag logo at the top left clickable to return to the main page? |
| 03:22.55 | fatass | s/main page/board index/ |
| 03:22.58 | leeguy921 | cant remember. 1 mo. ill check the log |
| 03:23.05 | trepan | woot: mouse/joy/keyboard/timers, opengl, and sound all happening in LuaWorld / LuaUser |
| 03:23.32 | TkTech | Hm wait what? |
| 03:23.44 | TkTech | since when does BZ use Lua? |
| 03:23.56 | trepan | bzfs has a lua plugin in svn |
| 03:24.14 | trepan | i've got the Spring RTS stuff's ported for bz client-side (on my machine) |
| 03:24.24 | leeguy921 | no, it didnt find the sdl libs. they werent installed(this is a fresh fedora install) |
| 03:24.32 | TkTech | ah..I've never played with the source before, I'm trying to add a module to check server status in Sora (My IM client) |
| 03:24.37 | TkTech | only reason I'm interested |
| 03:24.52 | spldart | Never played with the source?~!?! |
| 03:24.54 | spldart | shame |
| 03:24.56 | spldart | ;) |
| 03:25.08 | TkTech | lol playing for like 4 years, and never bothered |
| 03:25.23 | spldart | Wow.... |
| 03:25.30 | spldart | It has been a while hasn't it. |
| 03:25.37 | spldart | I'm coming up on 5 years IIRC |
| 03:25.48 | leeguy921 | i used to mess with the source. then i got banned for a year from mofo |
| 03:25.52 | TkTech | I think I touched it once to highlight ppl with high Z and no wings |
| 03:25.53 | leeguy921 | :( |
| 03:28.06 | spldart | Nope... less than that. |
| 03:28.19 | leeguy921 | lol, it gone quiet now. |
| 03:28.19 | leeguy921 | i have changed my ways, btw. now i only code for good, for all that is righteous!!! |
| 03:28.27 | fatass | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.29 | TkTech | lame. |
| 03:28.35 | leeguy921 | lol |
| 03:28.36 | spldart | ooOOoo... seen the light and turned to white hat? |
| 03:28.41 | blast007 | fatass: that's one thing I want to do, yes. I keep trying to click on that to go to the forum index. ;) |
| 03:28.51 | leeguy921 | i suppose |
| 03:28.51 | TkTech | my company released a script thats been used for 5+ years, and had a huge vulnerability |
| 03:29.20 | TkTech | I made a quick script that used in_url (why I"m banned from google fyi, lol) to hunt down 5500+ sites and copy their Joomla config script |
| 03:29.27 | fatass | yeah, I was a bit surprised when I found out that it wouldn't return to index. |
| 03:30.05 | spldart | sniff sniff..... Bovine? |
| 03:30.22 | spldart | :~/ |
| 03:31.10 | *** join/#bzflag Constitution (n=const@bzflag/developer/Constitution) |
| 03:31.16 | fatass | hrm, i need to get some more RAM |
| 03:31.41 | leeguy921 | i haves 1 GB. it more than enough |
| 03:31.49 | spldart | ram = goodness, ram = goodness2, ram = goodness3, ;) |
| 03:31.59 | fatass | I've got two...could've gotten another 4GB |
| 03:31.59 | blast007 | TkTech: please don't discuss illegal activites here... |
| 03:32.09 | leeguy921 | illegal? |
| 03:32.15 | fatass | I spent the cash on film, though :P |
| 03:32.16 | spldart | scripts |
| 03:32.23 | leeguy921 | whats illegal? |
| 03:32.26 | leeguy921 | ah |
| 03:32.26 | TkTech | Wasn't illegal, we added a cause in the EULA to allow us site access for security fixes |
| 03:32.28 | blast007 | running scripts to steal configuration information from servers |
| 03:32.28 | spldart | that get you engaged in the darkside |
| 03:32.49 | TkTech | its run by the Bellize police department for example |
| 03:33.06 | TkTech | I did it as a demo |
| 03:34.37 | TkTech | hmm who maintains the bzflag site? |
| 03:34.45 | leeguy921 | tim riker, methinks |
| 03:34.45 | blast007 | which part? |
| 03:34.55 | blast007 | he maintains the domain |
| 03:35.02 | blast007 | not so much the site.. |
| 03:35.17 | leeguy921 | the friendly folks at sourceforge? |
| 03:35.18 | TkTech | the server instance, think they'd mind if I scraped the map release forum, one HTTP get request per 3 seconds |
| 03:35.34 | spldart | ? |
| 03:35.56 | blast007 | can't you just download the maps you want? |
| 03:36.02 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=Jeff@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM) |
| 03:36.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:36.03 | TkTech | I'm archiving them |
| 03:36.06 | leeguy921 | so, how u guys earn money when ur doin an open source project? |
| 03:36.15 | TkTech | GSoC |
| 03:36.16 | leeguy921 | aside from selling t-shirts(i got one) |
| 03:36.17 | leeguy921 | ah |
| 03:36.27 | TkTech | and we sell merchandise at Codecall, lol xD |
| 03:36.33 | spldart | Clean house |
| 03:36.35 | TkTech | loves his travel mug |
| 03:37.03 | JeffM2501 | leeguy921: we don't realy need money |
| 03:37.07 | JeffM2501 | our devs work for free |
| 03:37.09 | blast007 | TkTech: still, I'd think you wouldn't care about most of them |
| 03:37.14 | leeguy921 | how they eat? |
| 03:37.18 | JeffM2501 | they have jobs |
| 03:37.19 | blast007 | TkTech: a lot of the maps aren't that great |
| 03:37.22 | spldart | irrelevant |
| 03:37.26 | JeffM2501 | noone does bzflag full time |
| 03:37.55 | leeguy921 | bzflag coders dont eat - they use quantum tunneling. |
| 03:38.33 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 03:38.36 | spldart | Did either of you have something to contribute at this time? |
| 03:38.58 | leeguy921 | i wanted to say i bought a shirt |
| 03:39.16 | spldart | Nice aren't they? |
| 03:39.20 | JeffM2501 | cool, thanks |
| 03:39.31 | TkTech | I'll contribute a JSON interface |
| 03:39.40 | JeffM2501 | what is that? |
| 03:39.46 | TkTech | since it would make intergrating with Sora easier |
| 03:40.03 | TkTech | query for server details and stats using JSON |
| 03:40.18 | JeffM2501 | whatever sora is |
| 03:40.33 | TkTech | oh, my IM client |
| 03:40.36 | JeffM2501 | you are more then welcome to write whatever you wish for bzflag and submit it as a patch |
| 03:40.56 | TkTech | hmm will do |
| 03:40.56 | blast007 | parsing the current method isn't easy enough? |
| 03:41.00 | trepan | TkTech: probably an easy server plugin to write |
| 03:41.06 | leeguy921 | yay, bzflag 2.99 is workin! |
| 03:41.16 | spldart | Congrats |
| 03:41.18 | blast007 | ah, per server |
| 03:41.23 | JeffM2501 | goes to break it |
| 03:41.30 | blast007 | was thinking on the list server |
| 03:41.32 | TkTech | blast007: if its json and can just copy-paste my existing imeem interface and reuse it |
| 03:41.34 | spldart | 8-] |
| 03:41.40 | TkTech | oh, lol, no, per server |
| 03:41.52 | blast007 | but yeah, like trepan said, server plugin |
| 03:42.00 | leeguy921 | hey, i jus got kicked cos of lag |
| 03:42.02 | blast007 | we support HTTP plugins in 2.99.x |
| 03:42.07 | blast007 | leeguy921: yeah, that's one of the bugs |
| 03:42.10 | TkTech | oo :D |
| 03:42.15 | blast007 | feel free to find/fix it ;) |
| 03:42.19 | JeffM2501 | wow, when you PM someone from a thread, it forwards the thread too |
| 03:42.23 | JeffM2501 | that's great |
| 03:42.39 | TkTech | AGH BLEH |
| 03:42.45 | blast007 | yeah, it's like a completely different forum |
| 03:42.47 | TkTech | Couldn't figure out why it didn't finish building |
| 03:42.52 | blast007 | overall I'm impressed |
| 03:42.57 | TkTech | I lost ServerItem |
| 03:43.08 | TkTech | stupid build cache fail |
| 03:43.12 | leeguy921 | only once have i done any proper software development, and that was me on my own last summer doing a scholarship. |
| 03:43.26 | TkTech | leeguy921: What language can you program in? |
| 03:43.26 | JeffM2501 | blast007: the PM system seems to have gotten a lot of love |
| 03:43.27 | leeguy921 | so, words like trunk are new to me |
| 03:43.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah |
| 03:43.35 | leeguy921 | i can do C, java, assembly |
| 03:43.45 | TkTech | asm? x86? Mips? PPC? |
| 03:43.47 | blast007 | the ban system could be even better, but it's at least mildly improved |
| 03:43.59 | JeffM2501 | now to find the thread delete button :) |
| 03:44.09 | fatass | no love for basic? |
| 03:44.19 | leeguy921 | anything really. i havent memorised many opcodes, but i am familiar with the systems |
| 03:44.20 | blast007 | JeffM2501: also, there's an option to either retain or delete posts when we delete a user :) |
| 03:44.25 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 03:44.28 | TkTech | blast007: Does it support Lua server plugins? |
| 03:44.29 | spldart | I love basic ;) |
| 03:44.32 | TkTech | with the HTTP interface? |
| 03:44.41 | blast007 | TkTech: I have no idea about the lua stuff |
| 03:44.45 | TkTech | lol Basica was my first langague |
| 03:44.46 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: yes and no |
| 03:45.01 | fatass | applesoft basic ftw |
| 03:45.09 | JeffM2501 | you can use HTTP in a lua plugin, but you don't get the same features as the C++ http servers |
| 03:45.16 | JeffM2501 | you have to handle it all in lua for now |
| 03:45.33 | JeffM2501 | at some point we'll expose the HTTPD Vdir system to lua |
| 03:45.38 | JeffM2501 | since lua is very new |
| 03:46.39 | leeguy921 | QBasic was my first language. on windows 3.1!!! |
| 03:46.42 | TkTech | I <3 Lua. At one point I made a very basic loader that just setup pmode, nulled the TSS, setup the GDT, ect... and loaded the Lua bin interpretter |
| 03:46.48 | JeffM2501 | that is not something to brag about leeguy921 |
| 03:46.56 | TkTech | lol Windows 3.1 with tabworks |
| 03:47.03 | leeguy921 | yeah... |
| 03:47.15 | leeguy921 | at least it more stable than vista |
| 03:47.16 | TkTech | Jeff: Well I guess I'll work on exposing a few more methods |
| 03:47.26 | blast007 | heh.. I probably first did stuff with QBasic or GWBasic on a 4MHz 8086 |
| 03:47.29 | TkTech | something I can contribute, and read through the source well I do it |
| 03:47.35 | JeffM2501 | the vidr stuff is in it's own class in pluginutils |
| 03:47.42 | spldart | Ah... memorires |
| 03:47.43 | leeguy921 | i got a 'laptop' with an 8088 in it |
| 03:47.48 | spldart | 8086 pwnage |
| 03:47.50 | JeffM2501 | you just provide a dreived class that handles the few things you want |
| 03:47.53 | JeffM2501 | it's very simple |
| 03:47.57 | leeguy921 | its an olivetti M-15 personal computer |
| 03:48.23 | leeguy921 | mips pwns 8086 |
| 03:48.24 | TkTech | :-( What did bzflag do to my build cache |
| 03:48.31 | leeguy921 | RISC is the future |
| 03:48.35 | TkTech | I'm manually fetching and linking the build parts from the machiens |
| 03:48.38 | TkTech | *machines |
| 03:48.56 | TkTech | ARM drives me nuts |
| 03:49.02 | TkTech | having to handle the call stack yourself...ugh |
| 03:49.10 | spldart | .... |
| 03:49.11 | leeguy921 | what is all this junk about the jazelle extensions/ |
| 03:49.28 | leeguy921 | u need a license to run an opcode or something... |
| 03:49.51 | leeguy921 | ive never worked with ARM, but have done a lot of readin |
| 03:49.59 | TkTech | no... |
| 03:50.04 | TkTech | it requires payment for the specs |
| 03:50.14 | TkTech | like a lot of things (Like the USB Wireless draft) |
| 03:50.19 | TkTech | *shivers* |
| 03:50.27 | leeguy921 | damn USB |
| 03:50.29 | TkTech | My OS only supports USB enumeration |
| 03:50.37 | TkTech | I haven't written any class drivers yet |
| 03:50.39 | leeguy921 | my eeepc only has usb ports |
| 03:50.47 | TkTech | reading through the fun 600 page OCHI specs |
| 03:50.51 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you 2 should discuss that kinda stuff in private |
| 03:51.00 | leeguy921 | lol |
| 03:51.05 | TkTech | or he could just #osdev, my home, lol. |
| 03:51.12 | spldart | right |
| 03:51.12 | TkTech | *just join |
| 03:51.15 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 03:51.30 | spldart | run gosub, run. |
| 03:51.34 | leeguy921 | whatever doubles my polymorphic boat |
| 03:51.37 | fatass | any chance of my design getting on the shirts? :P |
| 03:51.54 | blast007 | fatass: sure, if you draw them yourself |
| 03:52.01 | fatass | yay |
| 03:52.02 | blast007 | here's a marker |
| 03:52.04 | spldart | Any chance of #bzflag getting back to purely #dev talk? |
| 03:52.08 | spldart | hehee |
| 03:52.10 | leeguy921 | good point |
| 03:52.15 | blast007 | spldart: unlikely |
| 03:52.15 | TkTech | Hmm, has anyone attempted to flash import BzFlag? Prbly a few thousand missing links, but not that hard to link the SDL methods in a wrapper class to flash |
| 03:52.20 | spldart | poooo |
| 03:52.32 | TkTech | spldart: Becaus the irc convention is to have dev on #bzflag-dev |
| 03:52.33 | blast007 | TkTech: uh, no. Just, no. |
| 03:52.33 | JeffM2501 | fatass: we are not selling shirts at all like we used to, it'll be a while |
| 03:52.45 | trepan | spldart: i still say there should be a #bzdev channel, limited audience ;-) |
| 03:52.48 | fatass | maybe I should buy one to help it along |
| 03:53.02 | spldart | sounds like a plan trepan |
| 03:53.21 | spldart | TkTech.. maybe convention but not under your control ;) |
| 03:53.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan: why? so it can be silent for 2 months, then a day of chat? ;) |
| 03:53.50 | TkTech | lol, I can send an email to victs and have this channel de-registered if I beg enough |
| 03:53.52 | trepan | heh, ya -- sounds about right |
| 03:53.58 | SoundlessChaos | question for jeff here as im sure he shall know. |
| 03:53.59 | JeffM2501 | at least this isn't the help channel anymore |
| 03:54.02 | blast007 | TkTech: huh? |
| 03:54.16 | SoundlessChaos | any idea how to run a plugin on a server.. im curious as to how to do it.. |
| 03:54.18 | spldart | TKTech... the threats... even when veiled.. are getting tiresome |
| 03:54.23 | leeguy921 | how about a simple etiquette code like random chat yeilds to bzflag chat which yeilds to bzflag-dev talk |
| 03:54.25 | TkTech | nothing, lol. I helped write some of the services on freenode |
| 03:54.30 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: bzfs -loadplugin pluginpath |
| 03:54.31 | blast007 | TkTech: that's nice. |
| 03:54.39 | SoundlessChaos | thanks :) |
| 03:54.46 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: we too know a number of the staff |
| 03:55.03 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: just like the docs say |
| 03:55.53 | TkTech | What threat are you talking about? if the channel isn't being used for its purpose move dev to #<group>-dev and use #<group> for discussion |
| 03:56.03 | SoundlessChaos | call melazy.. but i like help from real people.. dont ask me why.. im just weird.. and that doesnt bother me :) |
| 03:56.09 | JeffM2501 | I am well aware of the format |
| 03:56.19 | JeffM2501 | this channel is slightly more then the dev channel |
| 03:56.23 | TkTech | I'm not even talking to you :( |
| 03:56.27 | JeffM2501 | that is it's primary reason |
| 03:56.29 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 03:56.38 | JeffM2501 | dev talk defers to all others |
| 03:57.20 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: it wasn't you I was worrying about bothering |
| 03:57.50 | SoundlessChaos | okay now im stuck i have the theif kills plugin but its got two files with it one a .so and ones a cpp never encounterd these before ive only dealt with the .DLL that come standard with bzflag |
| 03:58.07 | JeffM2501 | you need to build it for windows |
| 03:58.21 | SoundlessChaos | fun. |
| 03:58.46 | TkTech | .so is the shared library format used on *nix encompassing an ELF binary |
| 03:59.14 | SoundlessChaos | keep in mind ima noob when it comes to building.. |
| 03:59.27 | TkTech | .so = linux .dll = windows |
| 03:59.37 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: you probably can't do it |
| 03:59.41 | SoundlessChaos | so to make this .so go to .dll |
| 03:59.43 | JeffM2501 | you can't |
| 03:59.46 | JeffM2501 | you need a compiler |
| 03:59.47 | TkTech | ignore the .so |
| 03:59.53 | JeffM2501 | simplest thing to do is ask the author for a dll |
| 03:59.54 | TkTech | you need to build from source |
| 04:00.16 | JeffM2501 | where did you get the plugin? |
| 04:00.19 | TkTech | is their a makefile, or do you ONLY have the .so and ,.cpp |
| 04:00.35 | SoundlessChaos | the only .so |
| 04:00.37 | SoundlessChaos | and cpp |
| 04:00.42 | fatass | what's the point of trying to get 3.x to build other than for development? |
| 04:00.48 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: you don't use makefiles on windows |
| 04:00.57 | TkTech | JeffM2501: Cygwin. |
| 04:00.57 | JeffM2501 | please let people who know what they are talking about speak |
| 04:01.01 | SoundlessChaos | thought makefiles where mac |
| 04:01.07 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: won't be compatable with the win bin I make |
| 04:01.09 | TkTech | Plus there are converors to msvc |
| 04:01.17 | JeffM2501 | dude, just let me work please |
| 04:01.27 | SoundlessChaos | so your saying this isnt possible at all for me to compile this thing? |
| 04:01.28 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: send me the files and I'll build one for you |
| 04:01.40 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: no, it just needs a lot more stuff then you have |
| 04:01.46 | JeffM2501 | and a very involved process |
| 04:01.51 | SoundlessChaos | k how am i too send these to ya i can upload them and give ya the link with in 2 mins? |
| 04:01.56 | JeffM2501 | you'd need to get a compiler, etc... |
| 04:01.58 | JeffM2501 | email |
| 04:02.05 | SoundlessChaos | and your email is? |
| 04:02.06 | JeffM2501 | jeffm 2501 at gmail |
| 04:02.08 | SoundlessChaos | kk |
| 04:02.14 | JeffM2501 | or PM it on the fourms |
| 04:03.00 | spldart | Am I mistaken.. I thought the build was for Fedora. Maybe I mixed two usernames up :( |
| 04:03.03 | SoundlessChaos | guessing the spaces there are underscores..?? |
| 04:03.05 | TkTech | Any particular reason BZFlag-Info.plist is created by the configure script ?_? |
| 04:03.14 | JeffM2501 | wait, you are hosting on windows? |
| 04:03.21 | TkTech | spldart: Same :( |
| 04:03.22 | JeffM2501 | or linux? |
| 04:03.34 | SoundlessChaos | windows for me.. |
| 04:03.36 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 04:03.38 | spldart | Oh |
| 04:03.39 | spldart | ok |
| 04:03.43 | JeffM2501 | then all is sane :) |
| 04:03.58 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: because Tim set it up that way |
| 04:04.12 | SoundlessChaos | okay the spaces in your email are they underscores..?? |
| 04:04.17 | JeffM2501 | no spaces |
| 04:04.19 | TkTech | hmm...no reason not to add one to the SVN repo |
| 04:04.35 | JeffM2501 | what does it buy us? |
| 04:04.41 | TkTech | so you can just build off the bat with the XCode project instead of having to half-do-it with the command line |
| 04:04.46 | leeguy921 | i g2g - bed time, bye all |
| 04:04.48 | *** part/#bzflag leeguy921 (n=lee@host217-42-28-209.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 04:04.54 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: you can build from xcode |
| 04:04.57 | TkTech | its missing from the XCode project because you need to run configure to build it |
| 04:04.59 | JeffM2501 | it calls the configs |
| 04:05.07 | JeffM2501 | xcode calls configure ;) |
| 04:05.09 | TkTech | No, it checks dependancies prior to first build |
| 04:05.19 | JeffM2501 | it should call a prescript to generate everything |
| 04:05.27 | JeffM2501 | but that's brlcad's baby |
| 04:05.39 | spldart | That's right... It was Leeguy921 that was trying to build in fedora... Sry all |
| 04:05.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not suposed to require any command line |
| 04:05.41 | TkTech | I just pulled it fresh from svn, it complains about the missing .plist before running any custom script |
| 04:05.52 | TkTech | you need to go back and run ./configure |
| 04:05.54 | JeffM2501 | then send him a message with your concern |
| 04:06.05 | TkTech | whats his IRC nick, I'll leave a memo |
| 04:06.15 | JeffM2501 | first one in the list ;) |
| 04:06.26 | TkTech | ...lol... |
| 04:06.57 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: where did you get the plugin from? |
| 04:07.00 | JeffM2501 | the forums? |
| 04:07.04 | SoundlessChaos | yes |
| 04:07.08 | SoundlessChaos | you got that mail fast |
| 04:07.16 | JeffM2501 | I have not gotten it yet |
| 04:07.17 | JeffM2501 | what thread? |
| 04:07.19 | JeffM2501 | paste the link |
| 04:07.25 | JeffM2501 | I'll just build for windows and attach it |
| 04:07.28 | JeffM2501 | then everyone can have it |
| 04:07.42 | SoundlessChaos | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=12669 |
| 04:08.13 | TkTech | left him a message and my reasoning |
| 04:08.21 | TkTech | know what time he's usually on? (GMT) |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM2501 | random |
| 04:08.31 | JeffM2501 | he'll get it |
| 04:08.35 | JeffM2501 | you in some kind of rush? |
| 04:08.39 | TkTech | Yes |
| 04:08.41 | TkTech | Of course |
| 04:08.49 | JeffM2501 | then you are in the wrong place |
| 04:08.55 | TkTech | What, IRC? |
| 04:09.00 | JeffM2501 | bzflag |
| 04:09.22 | TkTech | Get a sense of humor man :( I do OS Dev as my primary hobby, I'm used to incredibly slow going |
| 04:09.58 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: what version are you running? |
| 04:10.19 | SoundlessChaos | 2.0.10 |
| 04:10.33 | JeffM2501 | hopes this works |
| 04:12.00 | Flash | TkTech: xcode is NOT the way to do bzflag development |
| 04:12.07 | JeffM2501 | Flash: sure it is |
| 04:12.12 | JeffM2501 | it is a viable option |
| 04:12.21 | JeffM2501 | just because you don't use it dosn't mean other can't |
| 04:12.23 | Flash | or, more precisely, the xcode project is nascent |
| 04:12.27 | JeffM2501 | it may suck |
| 04:12.54 | Flash | I don't use it because EVERY time you want to build, it runs configure again |
| 04:13.05 | JeffM2501 | that just makes it suck more |
| 04:13.08 | Flash | and you can't provide arguments to configure without changing the project |
| 04:13.12 | TkTech | ...then improve it |
| 04:13.12 | JeffM2501 | but if it dosn't work, we should NOT even have it |
| 04:13.13 | Flash | hence my statement |
| 04:13.20 | JeffM2501 | so it's valid for him to point out problems |
| 04:13.29 | Flash | it is useful for a final step to create the double-click app |
| 04:13.42 | JeffM2501 | not if it dosn't work ;) |
| 04:13.49 | TkTech | well...you should do it in three stages as the easiest way |
| 04:14.00 | TkTech | use a lock file for one |
| 04:14.00 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: we really don't care much about the mac build |
| 04:14.07 | Flash | let me rephrase: patches welcome |
| 04:14.07 | JeffM2501 | only one person really does the final |
| 04:14.08 | temp_dist | is there a db for http://stats.bzflag.org/currentplayers.php ? |
| 04:14.15 | temp_dist | like http://my.bzflag.org/db?action=LIST is for the serverlist? |
| 04:14.16 | TkTech | Flash: lol |
| 04:14.22 | JeffM2501 | temp_dist: sure, but why? |
| 04:14.51 | temp_dist | for a bzadmin rewrite |
| 04:15.01 | JeffM2501 | temp_dist: what do you mean? |
| 04:15.41 | TkTech | Flash: My idea is to have the xcode project call one build script which checks the last build state of configure and check if it actually needs to run again (bless bash scripting) skipping over it if it doesn't |
| 04:16.02 | Flash | ok |
| 04:16.17 | TkTech | and get gcc to output its dependancy list so it doesn't rebuild everything :( |
| 04:16.19 | temp_dist | JeffM2501: I am helping with a project to rewrite bzadmin, and the server and player lists are being considered as features |
| 04:16.33 | JeffM2501 | temp_dist: no external apps will have access to it |
| 04:16.45 | temp_dist | ah - OK thx then |
| 04:16.46 | JeffM2501 | it's just used as storage for the poll system and those pages |
| 04:17.04 | JeffM2501 | we will have an API query page for the push stats system when it is ready |
| 04:17.08 | Flash | TkTech: the xcode project is just a file; it can embed scripts; submit a patch ;-) |
| 04:17.08 | JeffM2501 | but it wont' be db access |
| 04:17.49 | SoundlessChaos | so for later use what programs do i need to build or recompile a plugin or script to work with windows? |
| 04:18.04 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: what do you mean by "script"? |
| 04:18.48 | SoundlessChaos | hell if i know as i said ima noob at this always intrested me tho alot.. i just never had the time.. i kinda do now alot more time than i did before hand so i decided maybe ide give it a shot |
| 04:19.04 | JeffM2501 | scripts are generaly bat, or bash scripts that are OS specific |
| 04:19.28 | JeffM2501 | to build on windows you need a compiler that can generate an MSVC compatable DLL |
| 04:19.37 | JeffM2501 | and the simplest would be MSVC |
| 04:19.52 | JeffM2501 | then you need the export lib from bzfs and the header file |
| 04:19.57 | JeffM2501 | and maybe pluginutils |
| 04:20.17 | JeffM2501 | in this case a project file has to be made for it too |
| 04:20.31 | SoundlessChaos | so thisisnt for the noobish ppl to do or to try as a first time experiment then i take it |
| 04:20.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:20.49 | JeffM2501 | it is development |
| 04:20.53 | SoundlessChaos | any ideas on what would help me learn to do this?? |
| 04:21.04 | JeffM2501 | learn C++ |
| 04:21.09 | TkTech | xD |
| 04:21.12 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 04:21.14 | JeffM2501 | or just yell at authors to run the newplugin script |
| 04:21.17 | JeffM2501 | instead of handrolling it |
| 04:21.21 | SoundlessChaos | sumthing tells me thats easier said than done |
| 04:21.28 | Flash | I think L4m3r has a web page that generates all the stub stuff you need to start a plugin |
| 04:21.35 | JeffM2501 | depends on how much effort you put into it |
| 04:21.36 | Flash | all you need to add then is the business logic |
| 04:21.41 | JeffM2501 | Flash: there is a script in the freaking code |
| 04:21.56 | Flash | I guess that's what the web page calls then |
| 04:22.03 | JeffM2501 | it's very simple |
| 04:22.09 | JeffM2501 | just search and replace |
| 04:22.15 | JeffM2501 | and a couple file renames |
| 04:22.25 | SoundlessChaos | so ona rough estimate.. how long does it take for one to learn c++ and where does he or she learn it from? |
| 04:22.34 | JeffM2501 | depends on how much effort you put into it |
| 04:22.40 | Flash | SoundlessChaos: how old are you? |
| 04:22.44 | SoundlessChaos | 19. |
| 04:22.44 | temp_dist | IQ of this person? |
| 04:22.49 | SoundlessChaos | 3 |
| 04:22.53 | SoundlessChaos | xD |
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| 04:23.07 | Flash | a college level course is a semester well spent if you are interested |
| 04:23.43 | SoundlessChaos | so no way possible to even begin learning this online just to get the basic steps for whats needed to do plugins? and such for bzflag |
| 04:23.52 | TkTech | just learn C, should take you less then a week - optimizations |
| 04:24.08 | TkTech | then learn templates, operator overloaders, ect |
| 04:24.10 | Flash | I find that learning a language needs an application; syntax is usually trivial to learn but you need an actual task to put it to use |
| 04:24.31 | TkTech | Reading the code for a well-done open source application is usually helpful as well |
| 04:24.38 | TkTech | if its well commented and written |
| 04:24.47 | fatass | learning C in a week isn't easy |
| 04:25.01 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: the dll is uploaded |
| 04:25.02 | Flash | do you know any other programming languages? |
| 04:25.09 | JeffM2501 | to build you don't need to know full C++ but it helps |
| 04:25.10 | SoundlessChaos | thank you jeff |
| 04:25.21 | JeffM2501 | basicly you'd need the VC 2005 EE |
| 04:25.24 | JeffM2501 | platform SDK |
| 04:25.30 | JeffM2501 | and then a project to build from |
| 04:25.31 | TkTech | ...took me what, less then 3 days, plus a few more reading the Intel docs to learn how to optimize it with SSE instructions for example |
| 04:25.35 | JeffM2501 | if the plugin has it, you are fine |
| 04:25.40 | JeffM2501 | if not, you just dupe some stuff |
| 04:26.06 | TkTech | SoundlessChaos: Like flash asked, do you have prior programming experience? |
| 04:26.19 | JeffM2501 | the installer for bzflag includes the basic API headers and libs |
| 04:26.37 | TkTech | Also, new bzflag = sexy. I like the server browser as well (all two servers, lol) |
| 04:26.46 | L4m3r | my starter script just generates more of the C++ code... adds in the handlers for the events, etc |
| 04:26.49 | JeffM2501 | that was a soc project |
| 04:27.30 | SoundlessChaos | saddly no i do not.. ull find this idiotic but my mother hated the fact i wanted to code.. and i wasnt around a computer until i was the age of 17.. that is around one she could monitore.. anyways i didnt have the cash to do a college course realy.. i knew mysql and thats nothing compared to this that just boreing and such.. so no no prior exp.. |
| 04:28.01 | JeffM2501 | there are plenty of online tutorials |
| 04:28.04 | JeffM2501 | and free tools |
| 04:28.07 | JeffM2501 | so that is a poor excuse |
| 04:28.25 | TkTech | Flash: I've made changes to the project file, what is the prefered method for dropping patches? |
| 04:28.28 | SoundlessChaos | how would i know wich to use wich to trust and so fourth one may say one thing the other another thing |
| 04:28.31 | TkTech | build a .patch? |
| 04:28.33 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: the patch tracking |
| 04:28.36 | JeffM2501 | sf |
| 04:28.42 | Flash | upload to sourceforge |
| 04:28.43 | JeffM2501 | make a ticket and upload it |
| 04:29.01 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: if that is your concern then programing is not for you |
| 04:29.13 | JeffM2501 | just start and see |
| 04:29.26 | SoundlessChaos | its not my main concern just ide like to know who would guid me best in learning is all |
| 04:29.27 | JeffM2501 | if they don't teach you valid C it won't compile and you move on to another |
| 04:29.34 | fatass | taking a course at a local community college always can help..usually they aren't too expensive |
| 04:29.41 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: if you want hand holding, a school |
| 04:29.47 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 04:29.49 | JeffM2501 | if you want to man up, then the internet |
| 04:29.55 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 04:29.55 | TkTech | *shiver* Does no one else find the new sf.net ugly as sin? |
| 04:29.57 | SoundlessChaos | nah ill stick with online any suggestions ? |
| 04:30.05 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 04:30.10 | TkTech | There are hundreds of books, and most come with example code designed for teaching |
| 04:30.15 | TkTech | it really is worth it to get a few |
| 04:30.22 | JeffM2501 | if you aren't willing to do basic reasearch like that, then programing isn't for you |
| 04:30.25 | L4m3r | it's rater difficult to become a proficient programmer using only tutorials |
| 04:30.36 | JeffM2501 | true proficency comes later |
| 04:30.39 | JeffM2501 | but you have to start somewhere |
| 04:30.47 | L4m3r | true |
| 04:30.51 | JeffM2501 | you can ether DO, or sit and talk about it |
| 04:31.15 | SoundlessChaos | sitting and talking is easy but when it comes time to back up what ya talk you kinda have out done your talking. |
| 04:31.19 | fatass | I'm learning by taking classes, I don't mind hand holding ;) |
| 04:31.29 | JeffM2501 | if easy is what you want, then C is not for you |
| 04:31.42 | TkTech | Jeff: Any suitable place to post autobuilds for the latest svn branch on mac? |
| 04:31.53 | SoundlessChaos | oh i dont expect this to be easy at all |
| 04:31.54 | L4m3r | forums, probably |
| 04:32.08 | L4m3r | note that if you distribute binaries you must also have the source available |
| 04:32.14 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: its your build, wherever you want |
| 04:32.24 | TkTech | its unchanged, just the tip build |
| 04:32.28 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: its your build, wherever you want |
| 04:32.34 | JeffM2501 | aka, we did not build it, so it's yours |
| 04:32.49 | JeffM2501 | I can't tell you where to put your stuff |
| 04:32.59 | TkTech | alright, switching routers then I'll make a post, someone might find it useful. |
| 04:33.04 | fatass | personal webserver is always a good choice |
| 04:33.26 | TkTech | fatass: or one of the 8 VPS's and 1 dedicated that run codecall.net *_^ |
| 04:33.47 | JeffM2501 | you must drive a HUGE truck:) |
| 04:34.08 | spldart | ... cuz google will block you? |
| 04:34.10 | fatass | it's only a binary build of bzflag.. |
| 04:34.46 | SoundlessChaos | and plugin is -loadplugin path/to/file.dll |
| 04:34.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:34.55 | SoundlessChaos | kk |
| 04:34.59 | JeffM2501 | seriously, take some time to read the docs |
| 04:35.02 | JeffM2501 | HAHAH |
| 04:35.13 | fatass | phew |
| 04:35.20 | L4m3r | anyway, SoundlessChaos, if taking classes is not an otion, I would recommend getting yourself a textbook, or some other structured instructinal aid |
| 04:35.34 | L4m3r | option* |
| 04:35.54 | SoundlessChaos | i shall do that i'd like to learn this stuff as i wouldnt have to bother jeff with it as much and im sure he would love that. |
| 04:36.08 | spldart | I feel a great weight lift from the force. |
| 04:36.14 | JeffM2501 | SoundlessChaos: I don't mind answering questions |
| 04:36.22 | JeffM2501 | just that we write docs for a reason |
| 04:36.32 | fatass | maybe you'll continue and help the project with the code once you get good at it ;) |
| 04:36.54 | SoundlessChaos | :) |
| 04:43.37 | Flash | if anyone with power is in the mood, patch 1945126 (https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=1945126&group_id=3248&atid=303248) should be closed as "accepted" because the change is in the baseline |
| 04:45.37 | JeffM2501 | done |
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| 04:46.28 | spldart | meh... fast on the draw, thought I'd be dead, |
| 04:48.50 | spldart | s/fast/quick |
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| 04:51.30 | TkTech | are there any specific 'features' that a new development server should be focusing on? IE, new collision detection, whatever-you-guys-have-done |
| 04:52.10 | fatass | finding bugs |
| 04:53.00 | TkTech | like I said... |
| 04:53.49 | spldart | Play, find, report or patch |
| 04:54.10 | JeffM2501 | we don't really have a very formal development tract |
| 04:54.17 | JeffM2501 | so it's whatever you want to do |
| 04:54.27 | JeffM2501 | we are suposed to be in the bug fix/test phase |
| 04:54.36 | JeffM2501 | but that hasn't held strong very well |
| 04:54.36 | TkTech | so just beat the crap out of it? |
| 04:54.43 | JeffM2501 | if thats what you want to do |
| 04:54.46 | JeffM2501 | there is a bugs file |
| 04:54.46 | TkTech | ... |
| 04:54.49 | JeffM2501 | it has bugs |
| 04:54.54 | JeffM2501 | so does sf |
| 04:55.03 | TkTech | yeah going through the tracker |
| 04:56.55 | JeffM2501 | the big thing I know of is the Z dr issues |
| 04:59.57 | TkTech | can you link me to the ticket? |
| 05:00.15 | JeffM2501 | there isn't one |
| 05:01.20 | trepan | you mean meshes vs. boxes/bases? |
| 05:01.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:01.25 | JeffM2501 | DR |
| 05:01.27 | JeffM2501 | not collisions |
| 05:01.34 | JeffM2501 | DR on falling is wacked |
| 05:01.42 | TkTech | AGH! ACK! The build is 132MiB? |
| 05:01.44 | JeffM2501 | people rubberband |
| 05:01.49 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: welcome to the mac |
| 05:01.56 | JeffM2501 | debug build not striped |
| 05:02.01 | TkTech | oh plz tell me thats unoptimized with debug symbols |
| 05:02.04 | TkTech | oh |
| 05:02.05 | TkTech | whew |
| 05:02.06 | TkTech | dear god |
| 05:03.00 | JeffM2501 | trepan: it can be shown to happen in 2.0.x but it seems to be worse in trunk, probably due to the lag comp |
| 05:03.05 | JeffM2501 | but we haven't been able to find it yet |
| 05:03.29 | JeffM2501 | it's like the remote client makes you fall faster then you do, then you snap back on your next update |
| 05:03.29 | trepan | ah ... for that kind of stuff, i'd defer until the whole server/client setup is rewritten ;-) |
| 05:03.38 | JeffM2501 | it has to be fixed |
| 05:03.42 | JeffM2501 | it's unplayable |
| 05:04.14 | trepan | who put the lag comp in ? |
| 05:04.18 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 05:04.25 | trepan | (ie: who broke the z dr) |
| 05:04.35 | JeffM2501 | as I said, it was busted in 2.0.x |
| 05:04.46 | trepan | but playable, not so now ... |
| 05:05.00 | JeffM2501 | fine pull it |
| 05:05.06 | trepan | it's an option |
| 05:05.14 | JeffM2501 | since we xcan't seem to get enough people to actualy fix bugs |
| 05:06.23 | JeffM2501 | without lag comp there isn't much diff between 2 and 3 |
| 05:06.51 | JeffM2501 | but hey since I can't seem to fix it |
| 05:06.54 | trepan | from a networking perspective, or overall? |
| 05:07.04 | JeffM2501 | from a player's perspective I feel |
| 05:07.16 | JeffM2501 | it's already a shallow release from a players perspective |
| 05:07.23 | TkTech | theres no point going backwards...no one plays this new release anyways, what does 'playable' matter |
| 05:07.35 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: we need to release it |
| 05:07.45 | JeffM2501 | and if it plays worse then the old one... |
| 05:07.49 | JeffM2501 | it's a regresson |
| 05:07.52 | trepan | agreed, especially compared to how v2.0.0 was debated :) |
| 05:08.03 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 at least had meshes |
| 05:08.07 | JeffM2501 | that was it's big thing |
| 05:08.28 | trepan | i'd say custom texturing ranked up there as well |
| 05:08.40 | fatass | couldn't you add lag comp in a later revision? |
| 05:08.40 | TkTech | waits for Havok enabled bzflag, lol |
| 05:08.48 | JeffM2501 | trepan: I glomp that with meshes |
| 05:08.53 | fatass | TkTech: why, it's a simple game |
| 05:08.55 | JeffM2501 | the entire "2.0" world style |
| 05:09.28 | TkTech | fatass: So? The beauty of open source |
| 05:09.37 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: it would be a fork |
| 05:09.43 | trepan | has something in his pocket to make 2+1=3 make more sense... but it aint' ready |
| 05:09.43 | JeffM2501 | but yes someone could do it |
| 05:09.53 | JeffM2501 | trepan: of course you do |
| 05:10.00 | trepan | after that, authoratative server; no more silliness |
| 05:10.03 | JeffM2501 | should just give you project admin |
| 05:10.03 | TkTech | pbxcp: warning: couldn't strip: /Users/tyler/bzflag_b/bzflag/build/Deployment/BZFlag.app/Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL: No such file or directory |
| 05:10.10 | TkTech | slowly fixing the mac build to strip properly |
| 05:10.18 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: we don't want it to strip |
| 05:10.19 | *** join/#bzflag iShock (i=lee@unaffiliated/ishock) |
| 05:10.27 | iShock | Can I use like ALL in a group file? |
| 05:10.28 | JeffM2501 | we want the debug info cus the mac is so unstable |
| 05:10.29 | TkTech | I'm fixing the 'deployment build' option |
| 05:10.37 | JeffM2501 | iShock: everyone |
| 05:10.39 | TkTech | debug build still builds by default |
| 05:10.44 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: I know |
| 05:10.44 | trepan | JeffM2501: why would I want that? that's the kind of thing i don't like |
| 05:10.52 | JeffM2501 | we want debug code IN deployment |
| 05:10.55 | iShock | JeffM2501: I mean, JUMBLE.OWNER: ALL, so I don't need to /password |
| 05:11.01 | JeffM2501 | trepan: cus you do the work |
| 05:11.02 | TkTech | :O |
| 05:11.06 | trepan | blinking lights, silly gfx - that's my bag |
| 05:11.09 | JeffM2501 | iShock: sure |
| 05:11.09 | TkTech | but..but... |
| 05:11.15 | Flash | TkTech: I believe that is a safely ignored warning.... |
| 05:11.15 | iShock | JeffM2501: DOes it work? |
| 05:11.21 | JeffM2501 | iShock: try and see |
| 05:11.25 | TkTech | you want to deploy a 132mb version of bzflag? |
| 05:11.30 | iShock | .... |
| 05:11.35 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: it' is there because we choose NOT to strip it |
| 05:11.36 | iShock | JeffM2501: Don't screw with me .. |
| 05:11.38 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: we are not stupiod |
| 05:11.44 | JeffM2501 | iShock: I am not, FREAKING try it and see |
| 05:11.47 | JeffM2501 | use your brain |
| 05:11.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 05:11.59 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: yes we do |
| 05:12.08 | JeffM2501 | it compresses well and bandwith is cheap |
| 05:12.15 | JeffM2501 | and the bug reports from macs help |
| 05:12.23 | JeffM2501 | the mac is our least supported platform |
| 05:12.26 | TkTech | sob...fine...I'll host the unstripped version |
| 05:12.35 | Flash | host? |
| 05:12.39 | JeffM2501 | it's your build, whatever you want to do |
| 05:12.46 | TkTech | however, I WILL still fix the xcode project to properly build a stripped version as an ooption |
| 05:12.50 | JeffM2501 | Flash: he's doing his own trunk build and posting it |
| 05:13.01 | JeffM2501 | iShock: I don't mean to be mean, but at some point you can just experiment |
| 05:13.02 | TkTech | Flash: I've setup autobuilds for the tip for macs |
| 05:13.13 | TkTech | *of the tip |
| 05:13.19 | iShock | JeffM2501: It's late and .. consider it a holiday present? |
| 05:13.19 | iShock | w/ 2 |
| 05:13.27 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 05:13.28 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19105 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: * mentionned the Z DR problem |
| 05:14.01 | TkTech | Flash: Its building strict, so it dies on all warnings |
| 05:14.02 | iShock | You can ignore the w/ 2 :P |
| 05:14.04 | JeffM2501 | trepan: my point was, you are doing a lot of work on your own, with noone else, so may as well make you an admin, you are doing what one would do anyway |
| 05:14.52 | TkTech | oh it did compress well, 33.2mb |
| 05:14.59 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 05:15.08 | JeffM2501 | we an't stupid ;) |
| 05:15.08 | TkTech | bows before Jeff |
| 05:15.41 | JeffM2501 | it's not like we are heavy on resources |
| 05:15.51 | iShock | Oh goodie, now to built bzfs 2.0.12 |
| 05:15.53 | JeffM2501 | so as long as we are under 500megs download we are way smaller then other games |
| 05:16.21 | iShock | explodes |
| 05:17.23 | iShock | JeffM2501: Consider it a holiday present? :< |
| 05:17.34 | JeffM2501 | I still have no clue waht you are talking about |
| 05:17.45 | iShock | The question about will ALL work for group permissions. |
| 05:18.11 | JeffM2501 | I don't know, it should |
| 05:18.15 | JeffM2501 | try it and see |
| 05:18.17 | iShock | Okay. |
| 05:18.25 | JeffM2501 | you'd be done by now if you had tried it ;) |
| 05:18.37 | iShock | Not really, have to build 2.0.12 server |
| 05:19.08 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 05:19.20 | iShock | 2.0.8 blew up in the face of matref and something else |
| 05:19.53 | blast007 | ? |
| 05:19.57 | TkTech | just build the whole project... |
| 05:20.07 | iShock | It's a server, I don't need the client or bzadmin .. |
| 05:20.35 | TkTech | what OS? |
| 05:20.42 | blast007 | iShock: I use -ALL in my groupdb |
| 05:20.43 | iShock | Who's idea was it to upgrade to phpBB 3? |
| 05:20.44 | JeffM2501 | linux probably |
| 05:20.49 | iShock | debian etch |
| 05:20.50 | JeffM2501 | iShock: the admins |
| 05:20.57 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: most servers run linux |
| 05:21.11 | iShock | Well, I like it, but I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out how to add users to groups :< |
| 05:21.12 | blast007 | iShock: But I don't know if you can use 'ALL' for anything other than removing everything |
| 05:21.19 | blast007 | iShock: that's nice |
| 05:21.28 | blast007 | but that's not going to be that way forever |
| 05:21.31 | JeffM2501 | iShock: you'll have to do that again when groupmanager gets done ;) |
| 05:21.38 | iShock | Oh god :< |
| 05:21.47 | JeffM2501 | it'll be a lot better |
| 05:21.52 | iShock | //wrists |
| 05:21.59 | JeffM2501 | not cool |
| 05:22.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: nah, we'll probably be able to convert most groups |
| 05:22.02 | JeffM2501 | change is good |
| 05:22.13 | JeffM2501 | blast007: yes but he'll have to learn how to add them again |
| 05:22.17 | JeffM2501 | cus they won't be in bzbb anymore |
| 05:22.24 | blast007 | yeah, I guess |
| 05:22.26 | JeffM2501 | people too them |
| 05:22.29 | iShock | But I won't be the only one :[ |
| 05:22.29 | JeffM2501 | the interface will change |
| 05:22.41 | JeffM2501 | iShock: you think you are the only one who adds people to groups these days? |
| 05:22.59 | iShock | No, I said I won't be the only one who'll have to learn again.. |
| 05:23.21 | JeffM2501 | you arn't now :) |
| 05:23.37 | iShock | phpBB didn't help much either |
| 05:23.56 | iShock | http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/3.0/userguide/user_control_panel.php#ucp_usergroups |
| 05:23.57 | JeffM2501 | phpbb was not made for managing usergroups for a video game |
| 05:24.09 | JeffM2501 | thats why we will be moving away from it |
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| 05:24.30 | iShock | I wish you'd use MyBB :< |
| 05:24.52 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 05:24.59 | TkTech | MyBB is far easier to modify, but its also far less used |
| 05:25.07 | JeffM2501 | so we can rewrite our entire auth system? |
| 05:25.16 | JeffM2501 | we don't modify much of the boards |
| 05:25.33 | iShock | I need a new callsign.. Any ideas? |
| 05:25.35 | blast007 | with phpBB3 I only have put in one mod |
| 05:25.51 | blast007 | iShock: how about "Uncreative"? |
| 05:25.54 | JeffM2501 | iShock: use your name |
| 05:26.13 | iShock | Lee or LeeM? |
| 05:26.23 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 05:27.00 | iShock | Since you got JeffM, I'll go LeeM |
| 05:27.47 | iShock | Thanks guys :o |
| 05:28.56 | Flash | Player::setDeadReckoning(): currentServerTime 3444.7036 ought to be greater than timestamp 3444.7036 |
| 05:29.11 | Flash | now, I'm old and addle brained, but those look equal to me |
| 05:29.21 | Flash | is that a logic flaw in the comparison? |
| 05:29.43 | TkTech | Jeff: I'm torn between the forum Development, or "Game Releases and Versions" |
| 05:30.06 | JeffM2501 | development |
| 05:31.34 | JeffM2501 | Flash: check the actual values |
| 05:31.45 | JeffM2501 | not the rounded formated ones from the print |
| 05:32.45 | JeffM2501 | aka use the debuger |
| 05:36.43 | BulletCatcher | Flash: "equal" does not satisfy "ought to be greater" |
| 05:37.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a <= |
| 05:37.08 | JeffM2501 | but then it formats them in a printf |
| 05:37.38 | JeffM2501 | so it could be 3444.703555 and 3444.703554 |
| 05:37.50 | JeffM2501 | the'd both round to 6 |
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| 05:42.58 | JeffM2501 | TkTech: how is that a fork? |
| 05:43.38 | TkTech | It will be, I'm adding my own features |
| 05:43.50 | JeffM2501 | then please change the protocoll version |
| 05:44.37 | TkTech | Several things: Movement is very jerky, if you hit enter the instant the quit prompt appears it'll crash instead of closing properly |
| 05:44.53 | TkTech | brightness settings aren't getting loaded |
| 05:45.03 | TkTech | wee ticket time |
| 05:45.23 | JeffM2501 | and can you post a link to the sources too? |
| 05:45.40 | TkTech | ...did you read the post |
| 05:45.41 | TkTech | I'll setup the SVN by tonight hopefully. Anyways, it is based on the latest tip, but I'll apply any Mac-specific patches immediately for testing as well as work on them on my own to be backported to the tip. |
| 05:46.08 | JeffM2501 | so you arn't going to have a source package, and you are adding your own stuff? |
| 05:46.14 | fatass | it might also be better to have a more direct way of getting to the files |
| 05:46.18 | JeffM2501 | can you please change the protocoll version |
| 05:46.25 | JeffM2501 | so it will be incompatable |
| 05:46.43 | fatass | scrolling through your network status isn't very convenient or obvious |
| 05:47.18 | TkTech | Jeff, it'll be fully compatible, by 'adding stuff' I mean, for example, better spatial sound support using CoreAudio |
| 05:47.35 | JeffM2501 | we ask all forks to change protocoll |
| 05:47.39 | JeffM2501 | so there is no confusion |
| 05:48.11 | TkTech | I added 'fork' so people wouldn't be confused about why it acted slightly differently |
| 05:48.25 | TkTech | also, fatass: AFTER THE FIRST NIGHTLY BUILD THE DOWNLOADS WILL BE FROM bzflag.codecall.net |
| 05:48.29 | JeffM2501 | if it does act diffeently, it is a fork |
| 05:48.32 | JeffM2501 | so that is fine |
| 05:48.36 | TkTech | thats only temporary |
| 05:48.56 | JeffM2501 | can you please change the protcoll version so it is very obvious that it is YOUR version |
| 05:49.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not required by the license but we ask |
| 05:50.18 | TkTech | Sure, but only for releases. Private builds will still be able to connect if I want to use it to play |
| 05:50.28 | JeffM2501 | all I care about is what you post |
| 05:50.39 | JeffM2501 | what you do with your stuff is your stuff |
| 05:50.59 | JeffM2501 | it's a trust issue thing |
| 05:51.19 | TkTech | Hmm? I provide the source, don't trust me just build it |
| 05:51.19 | leeguy921 | ahhh, i love open source |
| 05:51.43 | JeffM2501 | I have no way to tell that your bin is what is in your sources |
| 05:51.51 | fatass | it's not an official build, so it has to have a different protocol version |
| 05:51.55 | JeffM2501 | to limit issues, we ask that people that make changes to behavor change the protocll |
| 05:52.04 | JeffM2501 | so that players don't get confused |
| 05:52.17 | JeffM2501 | you may not think you are affecting something that matters, but one day you may |
| 05:52.27 | JeffM2501 | and it may not be apperant to you |
| 05:52.32 | JeffM2501 | that is why we ask this |
| 05:52.44 | JeffM2501 | you do not have to do it of course, as it is your project |
| 05:53.03 | JeffM2501 | but then I'd probalby pull the thread |
| 05:53.15 | TkTech | Refresh the thread |
| 05:53.23 | TkTech | for now I'll just keep it seperate. |
| 05:53.35 | TkTech | and leave that generating from your SVN as opposed to mine. |
| 05:53.52 | JeffM2501 | that makes that par simpler, thank you |
| 05:54.31 | JeffM2501 | what OS versions did you test it on? |
| 05:54.35 | JeffM2501 | .5 or .4? |
| 05:54.43 | JeffM2501 | and is it a universal or intel? |
| 05:54.53 | TkTech | 10.3.6 and 10.4.11 |
| 05:55.01 | JeffM2501 | so it's a PPC? |
| 05:55.09 | TkTech | its universal |
| 05:55.26 | JeffM2501 | you may want to say that it's untested on 10.5 |
| 05:55.49 | TkTech | modified |
| 05:56.16 | TkTech | the macbook pro is my main machine and runs 10.4.11 |
| 05:56.25 | TkTech | I'll only guarantee it on that |
| 05:56.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah 10.5 has it's own set of "fun" issues from what I've heard |
| 05:57.09 | TkTech | Its driver interface had a massive change |
| 05:57.14 | TkTech | broke just about everything |
| 05:58.07 | TkTech | unless your doing anything hardware specific, if their able to load the computer it should work fine |
| 05:58.20 | JeffM2501 | should being the operative term |
| 05:58.25 | TkTech | exactly |
| 05:58.28 | JeffM2501 | should != does |
| 05:59.24 | TkTech | testing would be improved if their was anyone else to test with, lol |
| 05:59.34 | TkTech | last two hours the only two servers have been deserted |
| 06:00.04 | TkTech | updates seem to be slower |
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| 06:01.09 | blast007 | 'updates' ? |
| 06:02.15 | TkTech | moving is slower, and really fidgety, like I'll be slammed back to where I was several frames prior constantly |
| 06:02.32 | JeffM | acceleration is on by default now |
| 06:02.32 | blast007 | eh, I haven't noticed that |
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| 06:02.46 | JeffM | and DR can have issues like we said |
| 06:03.00 | TkTech | What is DR, heh. |
| 06:03.02 | blast007 | I haven't noticed my own tank exhibiting that though |
| 06:03.07 | JeffM | dead recogning |
| 06:03.17 | JeffM | the thing that predicts where a tank will be inbetween updates |
| 06:03.28 | TkTech | I'm only at 67ping 2ms jitter, 0% loss |
| 06:03.32 | JeffM | for local clients the acceleration thing seems to be what people notice |
| 06:03.41 | JeffM | since it's not 0 anymore |
| 06:03.46 | TkTech | ah |
| 06:04.11 | JeffM | for remotes the lag comp and DR is what affects 3.0 vs 2.0 |
| 06:04.12 | TkTech | I'm used to working with havok, interpolating physics for the win. |
| 06:04.22 | JeffM | gets his umbrella |
| 06:04.39 | TkTech | Essentially your trying to make it more reliable |
| 06:05.27 | JeffM | more consistent state |
| 06:07.43 | TkTech | 'cloaked bullets'? |
| 06:07.49 | JeffM | yup |
| 06:09.11 | SoundlessChaos | grrrr |
| 06:09.30 | SoundlessChaos | tired of haveing a map where i cant get past the press middle mouse button to strt screen |
| 06:09.36 | SoundlessChaos | its just locks up and closes the server |
| 06:09.42 | JeffM | how many flags did you add? |
| 06:10.04 | SoundlessChaos | i didnt modify the maps prefrences. |
| 06:10.12 | SoundlessChaos | my server conf prolly has flags on it tho. |
| 06:10.18 | JeffM | how many flags do you have? |
| 06:10.52 | blast007 | +f good{5} doesn't add 5 flags. It adds 5 of every good flag. (Same for +f bad{5}) |
| 06:11.01 | blast007 | in case you're using those |
| 06:13.28 | SoundlessChaos | okay i have how many but ill send them thru PM with sumone.. cu its alot of lines |
| 06:13.46 | JeffM | snicker |
| 06:13.57 | blast007 | hehehe... |
| 06:14.07 | blast007 | IceChat ftl |
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| 06:14.18 | trepan | ~pastebin |
| 06:14.19 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 06:14.22 | SoundlessChaos | hehe.... |
| 06:14.28 | JeffM | can't you just count? |
| 06:14.29 | SoundlessChaos | kinda..like kicked me... |
| 06:14.30 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 06:14.32 | JeffM | is it a big number? |
| 06:14.38 | SoundlessChaos | yeah ide say so. |
| 06:14.44 | blast007 | more than 50? |
| 06:14.45 | JeffM | over 20-30? |
| 06:14.59 | SoundlessChaos | well there like2 good flags 10 bad flags |
| 06:15.07 | SoundlessChaos | is what it says |
| 06:15.12 | blast007 | +f good{2} ? |
| 06:15.13 | JeffM | using the words good and bad? |
| 06:15.21 | SoundlessChaos | yes blast |
| 06:15.25 | SoundlessChaos | and yes |
| 06:15.28 | JeffM | yeah that's too many |
| 06:15.30 | JeffM | for windows |
| 06:15.36 | SoundlessChaos | how many can it handle? |
| 06:15.37 | Winny | that adds two of EVERY good flag |
| 06:15.38 | SoundlessChaos | like the max? |
| 06:15.42 | JeffM | no way to know |
| 06:15.47 | JeffM | it's a packet limit thing |
| 06:15.50 | Winny | I got to about 20 |
| 06:15.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:15.53 | Winny | then it was cop out |
| 06:16.02 | SoundlessChaos | so i should do what 1 good flag and 4 bad? |
| 06:16.03 | JeffM | under 20 is usualy safe |
| 06:16.11 | JeffM | 1 good is like 16 flags |
| 06:16.13 | TkTech | BSD Sockets for the win |
| 06:16.25 | JeffM | TkTech: the problem exists in bsd too, just with more |
| 06:16.29 | SoundlessChaos | sooo what 1 good flag and 1 bad? |
| 06:16.35 | JeffM | SoundlessChaos: try and see |
| 06:16.44 | JeffM | TkTech: each OS has it's own buffer |
| 06:16.55 | JeffM | its' been redone in 3.0 to not have any real limit |
| 06:16.56 | TkTech | JeffM: Considering both Mac and all *nixs use the BSD socket code, heh |
| 06:17.00 | JeffM | we've tested 65k packets |
| 06:17.11 | JeffM | sorry 65k flags |
| 06:17.15 | JeffM | it breaks it up now |
| 06:17.23 | JeffM | it was trying to send all the flags as one big packet |
| 06:17.27 | TkTech | wait what, was it trying to send it all... |
| 06:17.28 | TkTech | ah |
| 06:17.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:17.39 | JeffM | windows just has the smallest buffer |
| 06:18.23 | SoundlessChaos | yeah no shit. |
| 06:18.26 | SoundlessChaos | i put 1 god |
| 06:18.27 | SoundlessChaos | 1 bad |
| 06:18.34 | SoundlessChaos | and its sending packets in debug like a mfer |
| 06:18.39 | JeffM | please watch your language here |
| 06:18.48 | SoundlessChaos | sorry...second warning.. |
| 06:18.59 | JeffM | that packet message is incoming not outgoing |
| 06:19.06 | JeffM | something is scaning your port |
| 06:19.07 | SoundlessChaos | okay but its going nuts. |
| 06:19.12 | SoundlessChaos | like holy crap nuts |
| 06:19.26 | JeffM | then something is sending you packets that arn't attached to a player |
| 06:19.28 | SoundlessChaos | ide say 70 to 80 lines passed in less than a secod |
| 06:19.38 | blast007 | what debug level are you running at? |
| 06:19.40 | JeffM | you have a local client that you left running? |
| 06:19.50 | JeffM | and was connected when you restarted the server? |
| 06:20.05 | blast007 | if you run at debug level 4, you get the raw HTTP messages to the list server as well |
| 06:20.11 | blast007 | so maybe that's what he saw |
| 06:20.19 | SoundlessChaos | im running it in 3 debug |
| 06:20.34 | blast007 | shouldn't be *too* much then |
| 06:20.44 | SoundlessChaos | its alot. |
| 06:20.50 | blast007 | then turn it down to two |
| 06:20.57 | SoundlessChaos | kk |
| 06:21.04 | JeffM | or find out if something is hitting your port |
| 06:21.25 | SoundlessChaos | im getting invalid meshface |
| 06:21.34 | SoundlessChaos | after changeing the debug to two |
| 06:21.34 | JeffM | happens |
| 06:21.47 | JeffM | not all maps are perfect |
| 06:22.03 | SoundlessChaos | well now it still isnt letting me get into game |
| 06:22.10 | SoundlessChaos | its at the press so and so button to start |
| 06:22.15 | SoundlessChaos | and then locks out and dissconects |
| 06:22.20 | SoundlessChaos | and thats with 1 good anf 1 bad |
| 06:22.23 | SoundlessChaos | and* |
| 06:22.26 | JeffM | like I said, windows isn't the best OS to host on |
| 06:22.30 | JeffM | it has issues in 2.0.x |
| 06:22.37 | JeffM | some maps may not work well with it |
| 06:22.39 | iShock | How do I enable rogue genocide? |
| 06:22.40 | TkTech | dude...just PM me your map...I'll host it |
| 06:22.46 | JeffM | iShock: load the plugin |
| 06:22.59 | iShock | Do I need to restart the server to load plugins? |
| 06:23.09 | JeffM | no |
| 06:23.09 | blast007 | not necessarily |
| 06:23.15 | blast007 | there is a /loadplugin command |
| 06:23.28 | iShock | Awesome. |
| 06:23.56 | JeffM | so dislikes winter solstace break |
| 06:24.02 | iShock | After I make it, where is the .so hidden? |
| 06:24.14 | JeffM | .lib or something like that |
| 06:24.18 | blast007 | .libs |
| 06:24.51 | iShock | Not there .. |
| 06:25.01 | blast007 | then are you sure you were set up to build plugins? |
| 06:25.21 | iShock | ...Shoot. |
| 06:25.25 | blast007 | you need libtool to be able to do that, and for 2.0.x, you have to add --enable-shared to ./configure |
| 06:26.05 | iShock | Can I do this with a server running? |
| 06:26.06 | blast007 | read the configure output at the end |
| 06:26.21 | JeffM | oh god no |
| 06:26.24 | JeffM | you have to rebuild it |
| 06:26.35 | blast007 | your server wasn't built with plugin support |
| 06:26.39 | JeffM | basicly your server or build dosnt' have it |
| 06:26.42 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:26.52 | JeffM | if you didn't turn it on, it dosn't support them |
| 06:26.59 | blast007 | if you want to verify, type /loadplugin in chat in-game |
| 06:27.08 | blast007 | it'll probably say it's an unrecognized command |
| 06:27.26 | iShock | It is. :( |
| 06:27.43 | blast007 | then yup, you have to rebuild and restart the server |
| 06:29.44 | SoundlessChaos | damnit. |
| 06:29.48 | SoundlessChaos | now i cant join my server |
| 06:29.50 | SoundlessChaos | at all |
| 06:30.00 | blast007 | is it running? ;) |
| 06:30.12 | SoundlessChaos | i can make it run if ude like. |
| 06:30.16 | iShock | I don't get it .. How can I be over 100ms lag to my server .. When it's acrossed the hall? |
| 06:30.18 | SoundlessChaos | running |
| 06:30.28 | blast007 | iShock: wireless? |
| 06:30.29 | JeffM | iShock: what is your frame rate? |
| 06:30.33 | SoundlessChaos | adress is Soundlesschaos.servegame.org:5154 |
| 06:30.52 | iShock | blast007: This is wireless, but I don't get 100+ms to canada, let alone across the hall |
| 06:30.58 | iShock | JeffM, not very high. |
| 06:31.02 | JeffM | how low? |
| 06:31.15 | iShock | Around 30 |
| 06:31.17 | JeffM | low frame rate can add fake lag |
| 06:31.28 | JeffM | since we only check for packets every frame |
| 06:32.19 | *** join/#bzflag Fiberchunks (n=Fiber@c-75-70-237-132.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 06:32.21 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19106 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: * ws, bracing (get rid of the little commits, so that the big ones aren't so big) |
| 06:33.15 | SoundlessChaos | wtf.. |
| 06:33.19 | SoundlessChaos | my server runs. |
| 06:33.20 | TkTech | SoundlessChaos I'm hosting and logged into the map you sent me just fine |
| 06:33.22 | SoundlessChaos | but i cant join |
| 06:33.34 | SoundlessChaos | how so?? lol may i come see it? |
| 06:33.35 | TkTech | bzflag.codecall.net port: 5561 |
| 06:33.37 | iShock | It still says unknown command, but I've got a .so .. |
| 06:33.43 | TkTech | bloodbath runs on 5560 |
| 06:34.02 | TkTech | you can also use vps1.codecall.net if bzflag doesn't resolve for you |
| 06:34.04 | blast007 | iShock: did you restart the server with the new binary of bzfs? |
| 06:34.05 | TkTech | its the same server |
| 06:34.14 | TkTech | just using one of our storage servers to run it lol |
| 06:34.33 | iShock | blast007: Yes. |
| 06:34.44 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 06:35.00 | blast007 | if that was the case, it would give this: |
| 06:35.01 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.24 | iShock | some wya to check besides that? |
| 06:36.36 | blast007 | not that I'm aware of |
| 06:36.38 | JeffM | not really |
| 06:36.54 | JeffM | thats why we added the messages in config for 3.0 |
| 06:36.57 | JeffM | so you know for sure |
| 06:37.57 | iShock | Can the server be up for ./configure make and make install? |
| 06:38.13 | JeffM | linux should allow for file replacement |
| 06:38.36 | JeffM | why can't you take the server down? |
| 06:38.42 | iShock | no curses! no SDL! no bzadmin client binary! no bzflag client binary! |
| 06:38.53 | blast007 | try running: src/bzfs/bzfs -loadplugin plugins/SAMPLE_PLUGIN/.libs/SAMPLE_PLUGIN.so |
| 06:38.57 | blast007 | from the root of the source |
| 06:39.18 | iShock | Does it need SDL? |
| 06:39.24 | JeffM | the server does not |
| 06:39.32 | iShock | For plugins? |
| 06:39.35 | blast007 | no |
| 06:39.36 | JeffM | no |
| 06:39.42 | blast007 | only the game client needs SDL |
| 06:39.49 | JeffM | only 6 more days of this blast007 ;) |
| 06:40.00 | blast007 | starts marking his calendar |
| 06:40.20 | blast007 | hmm, or I could go on a 6 day IRC vacation! |
| 06:40.49 | iShock | Only 6 more days? Of? |
| 06:41.21 | iShock | What does the sample plugin so? |
| 06:41.22 | iShock | do* |
| 06:41.28 | JeffM | nothing |
| 06:41.32 | JeffM | did it load? |
| 06:41.49 | iShock | No errors. |
| 06:41.58 | JeffM | try it with your plugin then |
| 06:42.04 | JeffM | the same way |
| 06:42.05 | iShock | Should it say loaded? |
| 06:42.14 | JeffM | how many d's do you use? |
| 06:42.26 | iShock | None .. Stupid me. |
| 06:42.57 | iShock | How many should I? |
| 06:43.03 | JeffM | 2 or 3 |
| 06:43.32 | iShock | No messages about it loading, no errors |
| 06:43.41 | JeffM | it should say that it loaded it |
| 06:44.06 | iShock | It doesn't :S |
| 06:44.28 | iShock | ./configure --disable-client --disable-bzadmin --disable-robots --enable-shared |
| 06:44.29 | iShock | Right? |
| 06:45.04 | blast007 | right |
| 06:45.46 | TkTech | JeffM: I loaded his map fine, and we played it for a few. Attempting to connect to his server, I can't get past press 'i' to start, however I have already recieved all the flags, and the server is responsive to / commands |
| 06:46.13 | JeffM | sounds like his system sucks then |
| 06:46.20 | iShock | Bad? |
| 06:46.21 | iShock | configure: WARNING: using an internal c-ares lib. |
| 06:46.21 | iShock | configure: WARNING: Consider installing an updated library at system level |
| 06:46.21 | iShock | configure: WARNING: link is http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares/ |
| 06:46.21 | iShock | configure: WARNING: could not find an appropriate SDL version. BZflag will build without SDL |
| 06:46.24 | blast007 | bzadmin couldn't get a solid connection either |
| 06:46.26 | blast007 | iShock: no |
| 06:46.32 | blast007 | that's fine |
| 06:46.59 | iShock | So why isn't it letting me use plugins?.. |
| 06:47.24 | blast007 | so you didn't see "Plugin:plugins/SAMPLE_PLUGIN/.libs/SAMPLE_PLUGIN.so loaded" right at the very top of the output? |
| 06:47.50 | blast007 | I even see that with one -d |
| 06:47.53 | iShock | Nope. |
| 06:48.09 | blast007 | are you sure you have libtool installed? |
| 06:48.23 | iShock | Yes. |
| 06:48.31 | blast007 | guess your system sucks then |
| 06:48.38 | SoundlessChaos | okay so i changed the map Jeffm and again it does the same thing note: i ran this same map just hours ago just fine. |
| 06:48.41 | iShock | Probably. |
| 06:49.00 | JeffM | SoundlessChaos: then something is wacky with youf computer or connection |
| 06:49.14 | SoundlessChaos | why would it change now all of a sudden |
| 06:49.21 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: install linux |
| 06:49.22 | JeffM | can't say |
| 06:49.26 | SoundlessChaos | rofl |
| 06:49.31 | JeffM | we are not clarvoyant |
| 06:49.35 | blast007 | you think I'm joking :P |
| 06:49.38 | iShock | JeffM, 6 more days of what? |
| 06:49.42 | JeffM | this |
| 06:49.52 | iShock | This being bzflag? |
| 06:49.56 | JeffM | no |
| 06:50.00 | iShock | Support? |
| 06:50.07 | JeffM | no |
| 06:50.10 | iShock | 2.0? |
| 06:50.12 | TkTech | life? |
| 06:50.29 | TkTech | <(˚o˚<) |
| 06:50.37 | iShock | He ran away, maybe I'm right. |
| 06:50.52 | blast007 | 2.0 wouldn't be dead in 6 days... |
| 06:51.05 | iShock | 3.0 myb out in 6 tho |
| 06:51.07 | TkTech | servers will still be running it for months |
| 06:51.10 | iShock | </hope> |
| 06:51.11 | blast007 | iShock: hahahaha |
| 06:51.14 | JeffM | iShock: not bloody well likely |
| 06:51.19 | blast007 | 6 months, maybe |
| 06:51.19 | iShock | I know :< |
| 06:51.26 | TkTech | not to mention repos will be unlikely to official have a build copy for much longer |
| 06:51.40 | iShock | JeffM, what's 'this' then? |
| 06:51.49 | JeffM | blast knows |
| 06:51.50 | TkTech | leave him alone, if he doesn't want to tell you he won't |
| 06:52.00 | iShock | blast007: *Huggle* |
| 06:53.04 | JeffM | TkTech: repos are not the majority of our clients ;) |
| 06:53.07 | blast007 | runs away |
| 06:53.36 | iShock | NO! |
| 06:53.55 | blast007 | 'this' is a pointer. |
| 06:54.00 | iShock | make rope && tie --train-tracks blast007 |
| 06:54.06 | iShock | 6 more days of what, blast007?! |
| 06:54.10 | blast007 | this |
| 06:54.17 | iShock | And this is? |
| 06:54.21 | blast007 | that |
| 06:54.25 | iShock | ........... |
| 06:54.26 | iShock | Come on |
| 06:54.27 | iShock | srysly |
| 06:54.55 | iShock | Pong. |
| 06:54.57 | JeffM | that is not a word |
| 06:55.22 | iShock | http://vertex.cluenet.org/paste/15 |
| 06:55.40 | TkTech | if(empty(this->answer.toString())) laugh() |
| 06:55.59 | SoundlessChaos | okay so ill let my server sit over night |
| 06:56.08 | SoundlessChaos | maybe my routers screwed up from the packets. |
| 06:56.16 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: okay |
| 06:56.21 | iShock | Mebe you're just screwed up |
| 06:56.25 | SoundlessChaos | would that possibly be a issue? |
| 06:56.28 | SoundlessChaos | thats very possible |
| 06:56.32 | iShock | blast007: I am determined to find out. |
| 06:56.43 | JeffM | SoundlessChaos: anything is possible |
| 06:56.49 | iShock | JeffM, blast007, see that pastebin link? |
| 06:56.53 | blast007 | iShock: yeah |
| 06:56.54 | JeffM | iShock: and you just keep pusing what this is ;) |
| 06:56.58 | blast007 | it's warnings |
| 06:56.59 | SoundlessChaos | well what bugs me is it worked fine with this same map 45 mins ago or so. |
| 06:57.05 | blast007 | I don't have those warnings on my system |
| 06:57.05 | SoundlessChaos | until i changed a map this worked fine. |
| 06:57.12 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: then you broke it |
| 06:57.16 | SoundlessChaos | so what was so messed up with the ma i changed that it made my server not work |
| 06:57.19 | iShock | JeffM, pusing? |
| 06:57.41 | JeffM | proving |
| 06:57.42 | TkTech | I'd just remove all config/settings/binaries and redo it |
| 06:57.54 | SoundlessChaos | cuz of one map.. |
| 06:58.05 | SoundlessChaos | if thats the case then why exactly do we have windows. |
| 06:58.14 | SoundlessChaos | it should burn in hell then |
| 06:58.16 | JeffM | SoundlessChaos: maps should not change anything once you shut down |
| 06:58.17 | SoundlessChaos | sorry for the lang |
| 06:58.24 | SoundlessChaos | i shut down the server |
| 06:58.29 | SoundlessChaos | and reopned it several time |
| 06:58.30 | JeffM | windows is not a server OS |
| 06:58.34 | SoundlessChaos | still same issue |
| 06:58.46 | SoundlessChaos | windows isnt a anything if you ask me. |
| 06:58.53 | iShock | JeffM, oh, I get it, 6 more days of annoying retards! |
| 06:58.56 | SoundlessChaos | its just.. a blue screen ina hand bag waiting to happen |
| 06:59.13 | TkTech | well I'm going to bloodbath to sit for a few hours waiting for someone else to join :D |
| 06:59.20 | iShock | TkTech: wait |
| 06:59.24 | TkTech | I had a good game last night, was full |
| 06:59.32 | iShock | Tktech, bloodbath? |
| 06:59.34 | TkTech | iShock: o: |
| 06:59.44 | TkTech | bzflag.codecall.net:5560 |
| 07:00.13 | iShock | 2.0? |
| 07:00.14 | TkTech | ow, I just necro'd two 3 year old threads :( |
| 07:00.18 | TkTech | Yeah |
| 07:00.27 | TkTech | bloodbath is also running on 2.99.x |
| 07:00.34 | iShock | YES |
| 07:00.39 | iShock | BLAST, win. |
| 07:00.45 | iShock | make clean && make install |
| 07:00.51 | iShock | TkTech: Let's do 3.0? |
| 07:00.59 | TkTech | lol...sure... |
| 07:01.07 | TkTech | its horrible, but whatever |
| 07:01.12 | iShock | its awesome |
| 07:01.39 | blast007 | JeffM: this theme doesn't flag stickies in any way |
| 07:01.39 | TkTech | I'm gona play in 2, since 3 is a turd for me ATM and I want a good game, but its up and running, you can play |
| 07:02.24 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 07:02.32 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewforum.php?f=65 <-- first three are sticky, but no signs of it there |
| 07:02.50 | blast007 | I can look into it tomorrow |
| 07:03.06 | JeffM | I think the icons are just the same |
| 07:03.21 | JeffM | they have seperate entries in the table |
| 07:03.23 | blast007 | with phpBB2, it added "Sticky: " before the link, iirc |
| 07:03.39 | blast007 | I can see how the normal themes do it too |
| 07:04.23 | blast007 | ack, okay, this theme sucks |
| 07:04.27 | JeffM | wanna change it? |
| 07:04.47 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose <-- can't pick anyone to send it too |
| 07:04.50 | blast007 | just says "None" |
| 07:04.58 | blast007 | unless I'm missing something |
| 07:05.03 | JeffM | you are |
| 07:05.05 | JeffM | left side |
| 07:05.07 | blast007 | oh, on the side |
| 07:05.07 | JeffM | "usernames" |
| 07:05.11 | blast007 | that's stupid |
| 07:05.13 | JeffM | supports batches now |
| 07:05.33 | JeffM | a single line item dosn't cut it anymore |
| 07:05.34 | blast007 | that's just poor UI design though |
| 07:05.41 | JeffM | somewhat |
| 07:05.46 | JeffM | I think the old theme did that too |
| 07:05.52 | blast007 | the prosilver theme had it better |
| 07:06.02 | JeffM | I don't mind changing if you find a better one |
| 07:06.06 | JeffM | the art is prety easy to tweak |
| 07:06.39 | blast007 | this one is based off subsilver2 |
| 07:06.50 | blast007 | so it has the same quirks as that one |
| 07:07.34 | blast007 | I guess if I get bored I'll look into modding prosilver heavily |
| 07:08.59 | JeffM | I could swap to skyblue, eTech, proGlass, or avalon and be fine |
| 07:12.08 | blast007 | k |
| 07:12.33 | JeffM | proglass is probably my fav that isn't this one |
| 07:14.18 | blast007 | woo, and it's one that isn't based off of subsilver2 |
| 07:14.41 | JeffM | swap it if you want, and I'll redo the art tomorow |
| 07:14.44 | blast007 | I personally like the general look of the prosilver-based ones |
| 07:14.56 | JeffM | should just be a border color change on the ranks and a new header |
| 07:15.08 | blast007 | well, I'll do it tomorrow |
| 07:15.12 | JeffM | k |
| 07:15.24 | blast007 | (I'd need to do the quick reply mod too) |
| 07:15.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 07:17.31 | SoundlessChaos | okay so im letting my server be offline for now over night hoping this fixes my issue.. |
| 07:17.57 | blast007 | TkTech: did you have to get permission to host Bloodbath? |
| 07:19.19 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: rebooting your router might help as well |
| 07:19.29 | blast007 | but if that fixes it, then your router sucks ;) |
| 07:19.32 | SoundlessChaos | how about my computer? |
| 07:19.37 | blast007 | sure |
| 07:19.44 | blast007 | but probably one at a time |
| 07:19.45 | SoundlessChaos | kk ill try that thanks |
| 07:19.50 | blast007 | see which one fixes it, if at all |
| 07:28.28 | *** join/#bzflag QBeep (n=QB@cpe-72-190-32-30.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 07:48.48 | *** join/#bzflag Quantum (n=QB@cpe-72-190-32-30.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 07:53.00 | TkTech | back |
| 07:53.10 | TkTech | blast007: Yeah, r3lax gave me the map, lol |
| 07:54.03 | TkTech | bloodbath is already #1 on the list, lol |
| 07:54.05 | *** join/#bzflag SoundlessChaos (n=IceChat7@c-98-212-233-144.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:55.24 | TkTech | blast007: Why? |
| 07:56.26 | blast007 | I was just wondering because the was no .bzw posted there |
| 07:57.59 | SoundlessChaos | grrrr |
| 07:58.00 | TkTech | ah, he gave me one months ago, and then he sent me an updated one a few days ago |
| 07:58.02 | SoundlessChaos | no luck on the fix |
| 07:58.23 | blast007 | k |
| 07:58.28 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: fun |
| 07:58.34 | SoundlessChaos | so i did what any american should..lol i made steaks and got a beer lol |
| 07:58.52 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: figure out what you changed |
| 07:59.00 | SoundlessChaos | a map lol |
| 07:59.03 | SoundlessChaos | that was it lol |
| 07:59.05 | blast007 | (that broke it) |
| 07:59.10 | SoundlessChaos | so i reinput the map i had before |
| 07:59.11 | blast007 | o..k... |
| 07:59.21 | blast007 | right... |
| 07:59.23 | SoundlessChaos | and still wont let me past the start screen |
| 07:59.38 | blast007 | too many flags |
| 07:59.48 | SoundlessChaos | same amount i had before |
| 07:59.49 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 07:59.56 | blast007 | take them out |
| 08:00.04 | blast007 | and try then |
| 08:00.11 | SoundlessChaos | you mean the ones in the config? |
| 08:00.39 | blast007 | ALL of them... |
| 08:00.58 | SoundlessChaos | in the bzfs conf? |
| 08:01.10 | blast007 | where ever you have them |
| 08:01.25 | blast007 | how should I know where you have them? |
| 08:01.29 | blast007 | :p |
| 08:01.45 | SoundlessChaos | i have maps in the bzfs conf and i think theres maps in the map file.. that idk.. |
| 08:02.19 | blast007 | huh? you mean 'flags'? |
| 08:02.36 | SoundlessChaos | rofl.. yes omg im sorry.. tired.. and wanna get this sorted before bed.. |
| 08:02.42 | blast007 | hehe |
| 08:02.50 | blast007 | take them all out |
| 08:03.32 | SoundlessChaos | +f good{0} |
| 08:03.32 | SoundlessChaos | +f bad{0} |
| 08:03.35 | SoundlessChaos | so that? |
| 08:05.07 | blast007 | 0? |
| 08:05.13 | blast007 | ... |
| 08:05.17 | SoundlessChaos | i placed them at 0 just now.. |
| 08:05.25 | SoundlessChaos | they where 10 and 2 |
| 08:05.37 | blast007 | just remove them or comment them out |
| 08:05.44 | blast007 | 10? |
| 08:05.48 | blast007 | geez |
| 08:06.01 | blast007 | that's like 200 flags |
| 08:06.25 | SoundlessChaos | i didnt make the config.. thats my friend who sorta has a linux machine and decided hed help his win 32 buddy out with a config... grrr him |
| 08:06.43 | blast007 | it's 10 of every good flag, not just 10 flags |
| 08:07.07 | SoundlessChaos | wow that was worked. |
| 08:07.14 | SoundlessChaos | wow.. that was out of wack.. |
| 08:07.15 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 08:07.20 | SoundlessChaos | i really do need sleep lol |
| 08:07.24 | SoundlessChaos | but again it worked |
| 08:07.29 | SoundlessChaos | thanks :) |
| 08:07.41 | SoundlessChaos | so i should do what like 2 good 1 bad? |
| 08:08.02 | blast007 | you'll have to try it |
| 08:08.24 | blast007 | we already told you about this |
| 08:10.10 | SoundlessChaos | works good :) |
| 08:15.34 | TkTech | sweet, bloodbath has been resurected |
| 08:15.37 | TkTech | Anyways, night all! |
| 08:15.44 | iShock | Boobhead |
| 08:15.59 | TkTech | I'll package and push my patchs for the mac build process tomorrow when I wake up |
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| 08:21.39 | SoundlessChaos | so now i can connect im just getting the remove player stuff on the console.. |
| 08:21.44 | SoundlessChaos | that any of importance? |
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| 09:14.01 | SoundlessChaos | night guys |
| 09:14.45 | SoundlessChaos[A | is now away - Reason : Sleeping Back L8ter |
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| 15:48.49 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos[A: "remove player stuff" ? You'll have to be more specific if you want help. |
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| 17:47.30 | cods | I've not played for a long time, but "modern" maps looks boring.. Unlimited WG, tank speed increased by 300%,.. Also, there is few well designed maps remaining. Some fun is lost in this game :/ |
| 17:47.44 | cods | Fortunately, LouMan made some nice maps. |
| 17:50.36 | JefferyM | those would be munchkin maps |
| 17:54.10 | SoundlessChaos | is no longer away : Gone for 8 hours 39 minutes 24 seconds |
| 17:54.16 | SoundlessChaos | morning guys |
| 17:55.10 | hobbsc | been forever since i've played. are the leagues still active (pillbox, ducati, or 1v1)? |
| 17:56.20 | JefferyM | mostly it's gu league these days |
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| 18:04.57 | hobbsc | thanks |
| 18:08.03 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: did you see my message? |
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| 18:15.33 | SoundlessChaos | no i dont belive i did.. |
| 18:16.28 | SoundlessChaos | blast007: no i didnt. |
| 18:17.35 | JefferyM | blast007, I'm uploading proglass |
| 18:18.02 | JefferyM | I'll see if I can enable it and have it be an optional one while we get it working |
| 18:19.01 | SoundlessChaos | blast007: it says stuff like player [0] submitted reverse resolve querey player [0] removed at 2008-12-30 12:17:26: disconnected |
| 18:28.07 | JefferyM | cool, the ranks work with proglass |
| 18:28.24 | JefferyM | blast007, progrlass is an option now |
| 18:40.46 | blast007 | k |
| 18:40.54 | JefferyM | I did a crap logo |
| 18:41.01 | JefferyM | I'll work on a better one during lunch |
| 18:41.09 | JefferyM | laptop has PS, this machine does not |
| 18:41.20 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: "remove player stuff" ? You'll have to be more specific if you want help. |
| 18:41.41 | blast007 | JefferyM: sounds good |
| 18:41.54 | blast007 | I'll hack in quick reply |
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| 18:44.13 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:44.28 | JefferyM | it's not a variable width style, but I'll live |
| 18:44.40 | JefferyM | and it puts the user info back on the right |
| 18:47.46 | trepan | JefferyM: windows works fine with '/' as dir separator? (any win os we'd expect to see...) |
| 18:48.06 | JefferyM | trepan, it's suposed to |
| 18:48.11 | JefferyM | mixed dosn't work |
| 18:48.20 | trepan | good to know, thx |
| 18:48.21 | JefferyM | I haven't tested it in a long while tho |
| 18:48.36 | JefferyM | there are utils in bzflag to convert them |
| 18:48.41 | JefferyM | plugin utils and OSFile |
| 18:48.54 | trepan | std::replace, single liner |
| 18:49.33 | JefferyM | yes, but hardcoding windows #defs everywere is stupid |
| 18:49.43 | trepan | no #ifdef, always do it |
| 18:49.51 | JefferyM | always convert to windows? |
| 18:49.58 | trepan | heh, '\\' -> '/' |
| 18:50.05 | JefferyM | if that works |
| 18:50.10 | JefferyM | like I said, I haven't tested |
| 18:54.19 | SoundlessChaos | you know ive played bz to long when i stare at my command line and i can see little tank shots going inbetween the words |
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| 19:05.19 | blast007 | 02:21:38 < SoundlessChaos> so now i can connect im just getting the remove player stuff on the console.. |
| 19:05.25 | blast007 | did you want help with that...? |
| 19:05.35 | blast007 | now that I've asked three times :) |
| 19:06.12 | SoundlessChaos | well i stated what it said |
| 19:07.02 | blast007 | ah |
| 19:07.03 | blast007 | missed that |
| 19:07.09 | blast007 | that's normal |
| 19:07.17 | SoundlessChaos | okay just wanted to be sure |
| 19:07.20 | SoundlessChaos | thanks :) |
| 19:07.28 | blast007 | the list server checks in every time your server send an 'ADD' request |
| 19:07.35 | blast007 | also, stats sites query servers |
| 19:07.38 | SoundlessChaos | havent ran it in debug before so i wasnt to sure if it wwas normal or not |
| 19:07.48 | blast007 | my.bzflag.org, for example, queries every 5 minutes |
| 19:09.58 | SoundlessChaos | lol i just downloaded your tester blast..lol the one from 2007 |
| 19:10.12 | blast007 | lol k |
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| 19:11.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Hello, fellow flaggers. |
| 19:11.12 | blast007 | hello |
| 19:11.32 | Digital_Pioneer | I just compiled 2.0.12 (on Linux, obviously) and when I run it, I get this: |
| 19:11.41 | Digital_Pioneer | No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting |
| 19:11.54 | JefferyM | you are running from the source dir? |
| 19:11.55 | blast007 | so I assume you didn't install it? |
| 19:11.57 | JefferyM | src/bzflag ? |
| 19:12.02 | Digital_Pioneer | I did install it. |
| 19:12.07 | JefferyM | as root? |
| 19:12.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it's in /usr |
| 19:12.21 | JefferyM | it means we can't find the data dir |
| 19:12.29 | JefferyM | it's not where we expect it |
| 19:12.50 | blast007 | could also mean that he has a previous setting for the data directory stored in his config |
| 19:13.00 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 19:13.12 | JefferyM | tho it should not have changed between .10 and 12 |
| 19:13.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, rm -rf ~/.bzflag then? |
| 19:13.26 | JefferyM | you can try |
| 19:13.34 | blast007 | or rename it first |
| 19:13.38 | TD--Linux | ~/.bzf actually |
| 19:13.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 19:13.50 | blast007 | that way you don't lose all your settings if that's not the problem ;) |
| 19:14.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Right. :) |
| 19:14.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Same error. |
| 19:14.18 | blast007 | fun |
| 19:14.41 | Digital_Pioneer | moves .bzf back into place. |
| 19:14.43 | TD--Linux | can you see the bzflag data in /usr/share/bzflag? |
| 19:14.51 | Digital_Pioneer | I can. |
| 19:15.12 | TD--Linux | I wonder if it is looking in /usr/local/share/bzflag for some reason |
| 19:15.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Bunch of pics, sounds, and, ooh! A fonts directory. :P |
| 19:15.20 | blast007 | I have it in /usr/local/share/bzflag/ |
| 19:15.23 | blast007 | on my server |
| 19:16.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I overrode the install path. |
| 19:16.14 | Digital_Pioneer | ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 19:16.23 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:16.24 | JefferyM | bzflag is probably looking for it in a diffrent place tho |
| 19:16.35 | JefferyM | try the config thing tho |
| 19:16.39 | blast007 | try: bzflag -directory /usr/share/bzflag |
| 19:17.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, that does it. |
| 19:17.24 | blast007 | k |
| 19:17.42 | Digital_Pioneer | I could symlink it. |
| 19:17.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Assuming it's looking in local |
| 19:17.52 | blast007 | I would think that --prefix would make bzflag look there (or at least should) |
| 19:19.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, I just uninstalled, re-ran the config script, re-installed and now it works. Weird. |
| 19:19.43 | Digital_Pioneer | I swear I had --prefix=/usr on it before... :P |
| 19:19.43 | blast007 | the -directory value get stored in the config, iirc |
| 19:20.14 | blast007 | or maybe I'm thinking of -geometry |
| 19:20.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, .bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
| 19:20.35 | Digital_Pioneer | set directory /usr/share/bzflag |
| 19:20.52 | Digital_Pioneer | OK then, let's see if DNS resolution works.... |
| 19:21.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup. |
| 19:21.17 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. :) Cool |
| 19:21.22 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:22.46 | Digital_Pioneer | heads off to set a new negative high-score. |
| 19:34.10 | blast007 | JefferyM: quick reply mod in place, along with the BBCode/Smilies addition :) |
| 19:34.20 | JefferyM | cool |
| 19:34.25 | blast007 | I left out the button to toggle the quick reply box |
| 19:34.29 | JefferyM | was it simpler with this one? |
| 19:34.38 | blast007 | not really |
| 19:34.52 | JefferyM | what do you think of it? |
| 19:34.52 | blast007 | last time I was looking at the wrong template mod at first |
| 19:35.15 | blast007 | I like this style better |
| 19:35.17 | blast007 | cleaner look |
| 19:35.19 | JefferyM | k |
| 19:35.23 | blast007 | didn't like the double borders of the other one |
| 19:35.27 | JefferyM | k |
| 19:35.39 | JefferyM | any ideas what to do with the header? |
| 19:36.39 | JefferyM | Winny, you arround? |
| 19:37.32 | JefferyM | didn't he have an art svn? |
| 19:37.42 | blast007 | it would probably be a trivial mod if we, for instance, wanted a image that spanned the width of the forum instead of just the logo in to top left |
| 19:37.45 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:37.55 | JefferyM | yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 19:37.59 | JefferyM | using the same thing as the wiki |
| 19:38.05 | JefferyM | but with out that crap border |
| 19:38.08 | JefferyM | but I need the source art |
| 19:38.19 | JefferyM | and I don't remember the SVN info for that art repo |
| 19:38.29 | blast007 | I'd still like to have a logo in the top corner so there is something to click on, but have it also have a background |
| 19:38.52 | JefferyM | yeah I have a plan for that |
| 19:38.54 | blast007 | hmm, and guess I'm not really awake yet. there's already a background that goes across the width of the forum |
| 19:39.03 | JefferyM | yeah it should be easy art work |
| 19:39.05 | blast007 | so just swapping out the image really :) |
| 19:39.16 | JefferyM | and I'll have the logo image say "bzflag fourms" |
| 19:39.18 | JefferyM | so you can click it |
| 19:39.24 | JefferyM | I just need the art :) |
| 19:39.40 | JefferyM | summons saturos! |
| 19:40.42 | blast007 | *puff* "Not enough mana" |
| 19:41.18 | JefferyM | I guess not |
| 19:42.49 | ts | I could tell him to come here next time I'm seeing him playing. |
| 19:42.55 | JefferyM | it's ok |
| 19:43.14 | JefferyM | anyone know the drupal template site URL? |
| 19:43.21 | ts | Should I or shouldn't I? |
| 19:43.25 | JefferyM | no it's ok |
| 19:43.40 | JefferyM | I'll see him when I see him |
| 19:44.45 | blast007 | http://drupal.org/project/themes |
| 19:45.02 | blast007 | (stupidness.. you have to log in to filter by versions..) |
| 19:45.15 | JefferyM | no, the one winny was doing |
| 19:45.22 | JefferyM | his "new" bzflag site |
| 19:45.31 | blast007 | oh |
| 19:45.58 | JefferyM | I don't have logs anymore |
| 19:46.47 | me1 | http://busyflag.org/ |
| 19:46.59 | JefferyM | thank you |
| 19:47.02 | JefferyM | that's the image I need :) |
| 19:47.20 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 19:48.46 | blast007 | ~artsvn |
| 19:48.46 | ibot | rumour has it, artsvn is http://art.bzflagr.net/svnroot/ |
| 19:48.50 | JefferyM | hah |
| 19:48.51 | JefferyM | thanks |
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| 19:48.56 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:52.30 | ts | Is the 3 char length requirement for new user names phpbb default? |
| 19:53.52 | JefferyM | no |
| 19:53.54 | JefferyM | I turned it on |
| 19:54.02 | JefferyM | that and symbol limits |
| 19:54.14 | JefferyM | is a rat bastard :) |
| 19:54.31 | ts | Umm, BZFlag supports callsigns with 2 chars, like mine |
| 19:54.42 | JefferyM | for now |
| 19:54.53 | ts | I wonder..why restrict it to 3 chars+ |
| 19:55.09 | JefferyM | I would like to get to better names |
| 19:55.18 | JefferyM | this is the first step |
| 19:55.30 | JefferyM | we iniatlay did min 3 in bzflag but many complained |
| 19:55.38 | JefferyM | this will by our push to go back to that |
| 19:55.48 | JefferyM | same for the symbols |
| 19:55.59 | JefferyM | we can get to real identifyable names |
| 19:56.05 | ts | In 2.10.x I had a two char callsign already |
| 19:56.14 | blast007 | ts: right |
| 19:56.31 | ts | It changed from 2 to 3 then back to two |
| 19:56.48 | blast007 | it's back to 3 now |
| 19:56.54 | JefferyM | welcome to the future |
| 19:57.00 | ts | I prefer to keep my name :/ |
| 19:57.32 | ts | Sadly the password can only be changed at the same page where the username can be changed. |
| 19:57.54 | JefferyM | lots of people would prefer lots of things |
| 19:57.59 | JefferyM | some want one character names |
| 19:58.06 | JefferyM | or names that are almost all symbols |
| 19:58.21 | ts | Does that mean when I update my password, I'll invalidate my callsign? |
| 19:58.31 | blast007 | probably |
| 19:58.43 | JefferyM | invalidate, no, but it may not let you change your password |
| 19:58.43 | ts | hrm |
| 19:59.34 | JefferyM | what is the max len in bzflag? 32? |
| 19:59.47 | blast007 | I think so |
| 19:59.59 | JefferyM | think of any reason to allow more then 20 on bzbb? |
| 20:00.41 | JefferyM | goes to the food place |
| 20:01.30 | blast007 | actually it's 31, at least for the in-menu limit |
| 20:01.43 | blast007 | and no, can't think we'd need 20 |
| 20:02.04 | blast007 | more than 20* |
| 20:02.10 | ts | I think we need 2 char callsigns :( |
| 20:02.53 | ts | However I can see the non-alphabetic stuff is hard to read. |
| 20:03.02 | BulletCatcher | OldDrunkGuyInMinneapolis (24 chars) will be sad if he can't keep his callsign. |
| 20:03.56 | BulletCatcher | I'm with ts on this. I see no value in increasing the minimum callsign length from 2 to 3 characters. |
| 20:04.10 | ts | yay, one supporter :) |
| 20:04.26 | blast007 | yeah, we should go to 5 instead </kidding> ;) |
| 20:04.33 | JefferyM | 4 |
| 20:04.55 | JefferyM | I'll ponder |
| 20:05.16 | temp_work | "a temporal distraction" - waaa! |
| 20:05.31 | ts | blast007: That's ok if you also allow some trailing whitespace chars :p |
| 20:05.38 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:05.56 | BulletCatcher | Limiting (but not completely forbidding) non-alphanumeric characters should be fine. |
| 20:06.15 | blast007 | temp_work: hello "a temporal distracti" ! sup? ;) |
| 20:06.35 | temp_work | meh - I dropped the leading "a " a while ago |
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| 20:11.40 | blast007 | there is 7 one character phpbb usernames (heh..), 107 two character names, and 270 that have over 20 characters |
| 20:12.38 | blast007 | and then 21,616 in between there |
| 20:12.42 | SpazzyMcGee | how do people manage to register one character names? |
| 20:13.10 | ts | They could change at least in the old days. |
| 20:13.35 | blast007 | phpbb2 probably didn't have a limit for that |
| 20:13.46 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah, as in, change it after registration of a longer name? |
| 20:14.12 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: I'm not sure if there was a limit even for registering |
| 20:14.16 | blast007 | can't recall |
| 20:14.37 | blast007 | but maybe that would be how, yes |
| 20:15.26 | SpazzyMcGee | What is the longest callsign? |
| 20:15.55 | blast007 | 37 characters |
| 20:16.48 | ts | 37 chars? Even bzflag does not support that. |
| 20:16.51 | blast007 | JefferyM: 698 users have 3 character names |
| 20:16.56 | blast007 | ts: yeah ;) |
| 20:18.16 | ts | just imagines a 37 char long callsign in a 1024*768 display. |
| 20:18.34 | blast007 | it's the only one in there that is too long for bzflag |
| 20:18.49 | ts | I guess it would be way longer than the visible part of the scoreboard. |
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| 20:27.09 | iShock | Are there any really simple GUI map makers for linux? |
| 20:29.38 | blast007 | depends what kind of map you want to make |
| 20:30.41 | iShock | Simple boxes and pyres, preferably drag and drop |
| 20:30.55 | blast007 | look at the wiki |
| 20:31.03 | blast007 | http://my.BZFlag.org/w/ |
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| 20:34.50 | gravity | hi all |
| 20:34.52 | JeffM | bahh, can't upload to images dir again |
| 20:35.00 | gravity | anybody admin at Castle Warfare? |
| 20:35.29 | iShock | blast007: Is blender that hard to learn? |
| 20:35.35 | JeffM | iShock, for many |
| 20:36.10 | iShock | Ehhh .. well, I can spare some time to learn. |
| 20:36.10 | blast007 | JeffM: try now |
| 20:36.17 | SpazzyMcGee | gravity: what's up? |
| 20:36.29 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:36.51 | gravity | hi, spazzy. seen a pretty nasty cheater on CW, earlier today. wanted to talk to an admin |
| 20:37.15 | gravity | have you guys seen CruelDog around, lately? |
| 20:37.42 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, wait castle warfare, thought you meant missile war |
| 20:37.52 | gravity | nope. castle warfare |
| 20:38.00 | SpazzyMcGee | You want to talk to BEnfish |
| 20:38.04 | SpazzyMcGee | *benfish |
| 20:38.06 | SpazzyMcGee | I think... |
| 20:38.15 | gravity | i wish, but where is he? :) |
| 20:38.17 | blast007 | there's a contact email on the server |
| 20:38.34 | gravity | going to check. thx. |
| 20:38.43 | blast007 | contact at bztank dot net |
| 20:39.13 | SpazzyMcGee | there's an admin there now |
| 20:40.06 | JeffM | mehh.. tha'ts a little better |
| 20:40.32 | JeffM | but good enough to make proglass the default |
| 20:41.43 | JeffM | blast007, do you have any feelings about password complexity? |
| 20:42.09 | blast007 | not really |
| 20:42.24 | JeffM | I'm pondering requiring letters and numbers |
| 20:42.35 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:42.38 | blast007 | fine with me |
| 20:42.47 | tsyko_spud | JeffM: need squrrel noises as well |
| 20:42.52 | JeffM | name limit has gone down to 2 |
| 20:43.06 | me1 | JeffM, It bothers me that you are allowed to have your username as your password. |
| 20:43.15 | me1 | :P |
| 20:43.22 | JeffM | sadly I have no option to controll that |
| 20:43.31 | JeffM | I am pondering a 90 day password change tho |
| 20:43.55 | trepan | ew, pay $1 to opt out? ;-) |
| 20:44.09 | me1 | Have there been any cases where people have had their accounts stolen before? |
| 20:44.14 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM | weak passwords have been somewhat of an issue |
| 20:44.25 | trepan | how about a password strength threshold ? |
| 20:44.36 | JeffM | sadly it dosn't have that level ether |
| 20:45.31 | JeffM | proglass is now the default |
| 20:45.47 | JeffM | we'll have to tweak t he header HTML a bit |
| 20:45.53 | SpazzyMcGee | requiring letters & numbers would be better than a 90 day password change |
| 20:46.03 | JeffM | the image needs to be larger, and the gray text in the description has to be made different |
| 20:46.14 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, it wasn't instead of |
| 20:46.17 | JeffM | in addition to |
| 20:46.22 | SpazzyMcGee | ah, fair enough |
| 20:46.24 | iShock | Ooh |
| 20:46.28 | iShock | I love this theme |
| 20:46.39 | iShock | drools |
| 20:46.44 | JeffM | letters and numbers is now in effect |
| 20:46.49 | JeffM | ts, you can keep your name |
| 20:46.56 | me1 | doesn't like the fixed-width part of this theme |
| 20:47.11 | JeffM | yeah that's the one thing that bugged me |
| 20:47.18 | JeffM | but it wasn't a deal breaker |
| 20:47.48 | me1 | the "good clean fun... sorta" is blending with the image |
| 20:47.56 | me1 | (kinda hart to reaD) |
| 20:48.00 | JeffM | yeah that's why I said we have to edit the HTML |
| 20:48.07 | gravity | later all |
| 20:48.10 | JeffM | "JeffM> the image needs to be larger, and the gray text in the description has to be made different" |
| 20:48.16 | me1 | ahh |
| 20:48.19 | me1 | missed that |
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| 20:48.34 | JeffM | I'd also change the color of the "advanced search" link |
| 20:49.06 | SpazzyMcGee | I preferred the previous one |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM | I'm glad the ranks still worked |
| 20:49.14 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, it had problems |
| 20:49.26 | JeffM | it was based of an incomplete base theme |
| 20:49.30 | JeffM | and was missing stuff |
| 20:49.35 | JeffM | like icons for sticky posts |
| 20:49.39 | SpazzyMcGee | oh, right |
| 20:50.18 | SpazzyMcGee | You going to re-do the header on this theme? |
| 20:50.54 | JeffM | probably |
| 20:51.05 | SpazzyMcGee | It ought not say 'bzflag forums' twicw |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM | wonders if his text is invisible |
| 20:51.07 | SpazzyMcGee | *twice |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM | yeah that logo is just a temp |
| 20:51.34 | JeffM | probalby just make it the icon |
| 20:51.43 | JeffM | but I have to edit the template HTML first |
| 20:51.59 | blast007 | meh... this theme doesn't point out stick thread either... :/ |
| 20:52.06 | blast007 | wonder if any of them do |
| 20:52.27 | iShock | What do you mean, 'point out' |
| 20:52.34 | JeffM | yeah it does |
| 20:52.40 | JeffM | open news and announcements |
| 20:52.47 | blast007 | guess it does with the ! in the icon |
| 20:52.50 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:52.56 | JeffM | I will be redoing those icos |
| 20:53.10 | blast007 | I still like the phpbb2 way of that |
| 20:53.14 | JeffM | I don't like the scolly way |
| 20:53.18 | blast007 | with the word "Stick" before the link |
| 20:53.22 | blast007 | Sticky* |
| 20:53.27 | JeffM | wonders how to do a sticky tank |
| 20:53.36 | JeffM | maybe the icon on a postit |
| 20:53.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:55.11 | JeffM | goes back to work |
| 20:57.22 | iShock | cries |
| 20:59.42 | blast007 | JefferyM: I added 'Stick: ' before sticky thread titles on the forum view. We can remove that later, but for now, it's makes it more obvious |
| 21:00.05 | blast007 | Sticky* ... |
| 21:02.07 | hobbsc | anyone in here been interacting on that bzflag livecd thread? |
| 21:03.13 | iShock | Here comes 641MB worth of junk I don't really want.. |
| 21:05.16 | JefferyM | cool thanks |
| 21:05.33 | iShock | Long work day? ;| |
| 21:14.21 | blast007 | JefferyM: I'm gonna play around this week and see if I can get the post info moved to the left side |
| 21:14.57 | JefferyM | blast007, if you want to |
| 21:15.00 | JefferyM | I kinda like it on the right |
| 21:15.23 | blast007 | k |
| 21:15.47 | blast007 | I was making it as a copy of proglass |
| 21:15.58 | blast007 | so we could have both of them if we wanted |
| 21:16.21 | iShock | Is BZFed any good? |
| 21:16.22 | JefferyM | whatevre floats your boat |
| 21:16.28 | JefferyM | iShock, we didn't write it |
| 21:16.35 | JefferyM | it's generaly unsuported |
| 21:16.44 | blast007 | the current way will probably be fine |
| 21:16.48 | JefferyM | there is no one app that will do all map editing for you |
| 21:17.21 | hobbsc | can someone point me to information about how we're allowed to use the bzflag logo? i'm playing with susestudio to build a bzflag 'appliance' (in response to the live cd idea) and i'd like to use the logo on boot and/or as a background image |
| 21:18.14 | iShock | Eh, it gave me a reason to install GNOME at least .. |
| 21:18.14 | JefferyM | hobbsc, it's GPL |
| 21:18.14 | JefferyM | LGPL |
| 21:18.40 | blast007 | iShock: maps are just text files, so you don't technically need anything more than a text editor to make them :) |
| 21:19.07 | iShock | It's not the text editing that I have a problem with, it's keeping everything pretty, instead of looking like a randomly generated map. |
| 21:19.34 | hobbsc | JefferyM: outstanding, thanks |
| 21:19.35 | JefferyM | that is where your brain comes in |
| 21:19.47 | iShock | JefferyM: That's the problem. :' |
| 21:19.54 | JefferyM | no, it's the solution |
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| 21:20.12 | JefferyM | on linux there isn't much for basic editors that is currently supported |
| 21:20.21 | JefferyM | on windows there is the old bzedit |
| 21:20.29 | JefferyM | on the mac you have a couple half finished things |
| 21:20.35 | JefferyM | or you have blender |
| 21:20.40 | iShock | I have bzedit on windows, but it doesn't seem to drag ;< |
| 21:20.47 | JefferyM | nope it dosn't |
| 21:20.52 | JefferyM | I know of none that do |
| 21:21.06 | iShock | So how do you move stuff? |
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| 21:21.22 | JefferyM | type in where the objects go |
| 21:21.22 | JefferyM | you do math |
| 21:21.23 | JefferyM | and think |
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| 21:22.14 | iShock | ..How is that any different than notepad or gedit? |
| 21:22.27 | JefferyM | it has visual feedback |
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| 21:22.39 | JefferyM | with out starting bzfs every time you make an edit |
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| 21:31.14 | ts | JefferyM: tnx |
| 21:31.33 | SoundlessChaos | wow sumone else has comcast other than me. |
| 21:32.34 | blast007 | SoundlessChaos: you thought that you're the only customer.....? |
| 21:32.41 | javawizard2539 | I have comast |
| 21:32.43 | javawizard2539 | *comcast |
| 21:32.45 | javawizard2539 | but it sucks |
| 21:32.50 | SoundlessChaos | no i figured comcast just sucks and im the unlucky one.. |
| 21:32.54 | javawizard2539 | lol |
| 21:32.56 | javawizard2539 | er |
| 21:32.59 | javawizard2539 | didn't mean to say that |
| 21:33.06 | SoundlessChaos | comcast does suck.. |
| 21:33.08 | javawizard2539 | does not say lol on a professional channel, normally |
| 21:33.14 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:33.15 | SoundlessChaos | stupid 250 gb limit cap.. |
| 21:33.16 | javawizard2539 | It does |
| 21:33.18 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 21:33.23 | SoundlessChaos | called them last month told em to shuve it .. |
| 21:33.23 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 21:33.31 | tsykoduk | I fired comcast 8 months ago (when I started working from home) |
| 21:33.34 | SoundlessChaos | so they blocked my ventrillo from working.. |
| 21:33.38 | SoundlessChaos | so i used teamspeak.. |
| 21:33.40 | SoundlessChaos | they blocked that.. |
| 21:33.45 | SoundlessChaos | thenn they block my mail ports. |
| 21:33.49 | javawizard2539 | Our internet kept going down (like once every 5 minutes) |
| 21:33.53 | javawizard2539 | So we contacted them |
| 21:33.56 | tsykoduk | SoundlessChaos: yeah. I got the mailport block |
| 21:33.58 | javawizard2539 | they're like, you're doing something wrong |
| 21:34.11 | javawizard2539 | And then they connected and saw that our modem had re-started over 300 times that day |
| 21:34.16 | blast007 | javawizard2539: was it a bad modem? |
| 21:34.20 | javawizard2539 | And they were like "that's weird" but didn't do anything else |
| 21:34.22 | javawizard2539 | blast007: yep |
| 21:34.27 | javawizard2539 | Although we rent it from them |
| 21:34.32 | javawizard2539 | so they replaced it free of charge |
| 21:34.38 | blast007 | that's good |
| 21:34.48 | BulletCatcher | That's the situation where rental pays off. |
| 21:35.30 | BulletCatcher | On the other hand, I bought my cable modem for about 10 months worth of rental payments. |
| 21:35.59 | BulletCatcher | It has worked fine for several years, now. |
| 21:36.11 | SoundlessChaos | they said i couldnt run my own bzflag server with there srvice.. |
| 21:36.16 | SoundlessChaos | seems to be im doing it fine right now |
| 21:36.23 | SoundlessChaos | there like we will cut you off.. |
| 21:36.24 | javawizard2539 | My mom talked them down in price, though, so we pay like $40 or something for a ton of cable tv channels and internet |
| 21:36.26 | SoundlessChaos | i said try me.. |
| 21:36.46 | javawizard2539 | ($40 per month) |
| 21:37.08 | BulletCatcher | That's pretty cheap, javawizard2539. |
| 21:37.54 | BulletCatcher | pays $120/mo for cable TV + internet |
| 21:38.14 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 21:38.19 | javawizard2539 | My mom's supergood at talking people down |
| 21:38.41 | SoundlessChaos | no comment |
| 21:38.43 | SoundlessChaos | xD |
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| 22:21.09 | SoundlessChaos | anyoe here wanna help a noob??? |
| 22:21.35 | MrDudle | maybe |
| 22:21.37 | MrDudle | what's up |
| 22:21.39 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 22:21.46 | SoundlessChaos | well i need a plugin compiled .. |
| 22:21.51 | SoundlessChaos | its for windows |
| 22:22.00 | MrDudle | there went your plugin guy |
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| 22:22.11 | MrDudle | hey javawizard2539 |
| 22:22.15 | SoundlessChaos | and theres my plugin guy |
| 22:22.16 | SoundlessChaos | lol |
| 22:22.48 | MrDudle | javawizard2539! |
| 22:23.01 | joevano | SoundlessChaos: I would reccomend going through the pain of learning to compile it yourself |
| 22:23.13 | joevano | it is worth the effort, you willlearn a lot |
| 22:23.16 | SoundlessChaos | in windows... bleh.. i could in mac.. |
| 22:23.21 | SoundlessChaos | bur windows is like a headache. |
| 22:23.25 | MrDudle | SoundlessChaos i'll see if javawizard2539 can help you |
| 22:23.28 | joevano | yes it is |
| 22:23.32 | MrDudle | he's just being non responsive |
| 22:23.45 | javawizard2539 | I'm here now |
| 22:23.48 | javawizard2539 | didn't notice anything |
| 22:23.49 | javawizard2539 | Althought I'm not the best ad helping with bzflag |
| 22:23.50 | SoundlessChaos | and not to like idk throw a pitty party.. but i have a seizure disorder.. and lets just leav it at that lol |
| 22:23.58 | leeguy92 | i think you can do it with dev c+: |
| 22:23.58 | leeguy92 | http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html |
| 22:23.58 | leeguy92 | get version 4 at bottom of page(v5 been beta for about 6 years) |
| 22:23.59 | MrDudle | javawizard2539 he needs a plugin connected |
| 22:24.08 | JefferyM | leeguy92, you can not |
| 22:24.11 | MrDudle | connected not |
| 22:24.13 | MrDudle | but uh |
| 22:24.15 | leeguy92 | :( |
| 22:24.16 | JefferyM | it dosnt' generate MSVC compatable dlls |
| 22:24.21 | JefferyM | devC++ is a joke |
| 22:24.23 | MrDudle | compiled |
| 22:25.02 | leeguy92 | devc++ was my first ever IDE, i used it at computer-camp......unless you count QBasic |
| 22:25.17 | JefferyM | that dosn't make it viable for production work |
| 22:25.23 | JefferyM | sure it's ok for learning |
| 22:25.28 | JefferyM | but you can use MSVC for that too |
| 22:25.41 | leeguy92 | is there a free version of MSVC? |
| 22:25.45 | JefferyM | yep |
| 22:25.46 | JefferyM | 2 of em |
| 22:25.50 | leeguy92 | cool |
| 22:25.52 | JefferyM | 2005 and 2008 |
| 22:26.01 | leeguy92 | i prefer eclipse and codeblocks |
| 22:26.06 | JefferyM | I'm sure you do |
| 22:26.16 | leeguy92 | wot that s'posed to mean??? |
| 22:26.18 | JefferyM | he really needs .net 2003 |
| 22:27.31 | me1_ | JefferyM, I thought you guys were moving to vc9? Or was that 2.99.x only? |
| 22:27.41 | JefferyM | me1_, yeah for trunk |
| 22:27.45 | JefferyM | branch hasn't changed |
| 22:27.45 | me1_ | k |
| 22:27.48 | JefferyM | it's still on 7.1 |
| 22:28.10 | leeguy92 | so, whats the dev c++ dir for? |
| 22:28.27 | JefferyM | it has been removed |
| 22:28.30 | JefferyM | it was not supported |
| 22:28.35 | JefferyM | it was an atempt to make it work |
| 22:28.41 | JefferyM | but it didn't do stuff like support plugins |
| 22:28.44 | leeguy92 | ah |
| 22:28.45 | JefferyM | or work... |
| 22:29.12 | leeguy92 | so, you dont like eclipse/codeblocks? |
| 22:29.40 | JefferyM | I prefer a fully integrated IDE |
| 22:30.03 | leeguy92 | like xcode?(never used it) |
| 22:30.52 | JefferyM | xcode is not hoorible |
| 22:30.53 | leeguy92 | or visual basic? that's pretty integrated... |
| 22:30.57 | JefferyM | eww |
| 22:30.59 | leeguy92 | lol |
| 22:31.07 | JefferyM | VB is an abomination |
| 22:31.24 | JefferyM | on linux I prefer kdev I can get away with it |
| 22:31.27 | JefferyM | or monodev |
| 22:31.29 | leeguy92 | well put |
| 22:33.47 | SoundlessChaos | well if anyone else wants to give it a go at the proximity mine windows plugin compile.. let me know the one posted on the forums isnt working for me.. |
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| 22:46.58 | javawizard2539 | So I'm running apt-get install bzflag-server on ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:47.08 | javawizard2539 | and it's saying that bzflag-server isn't a package |
| 22:47.28 | javawizard2539 | "couldn't find package bzflag-server" |
| 22:47.31 | javawizard2539 | Any ideas? |
| 22:47.36 | me1 | try just "bzflag" |
| 22:47.44 | javawizard2539 | Tried that |
| 22:47.46 | javawizard2539 | same messag |
| 22:47.56 | javawizard2539 | s/messag/message |
| 22:48.02 | leeguy92 | apt-cache search bzflag |
| 22:48.08 | leeguy92 | that should turn up the package |
| 22:48.17 | JefferyM | run synaptic.. search for bzflag ;) |
| 22:48.29 | javawizard2539 | Nope |
| 22:48.36 | javawizard2539 | JefferyM: It's a headless box |
| 22:48.43 | JefferyM | then cache search |
| 22:48.56 | javawizard2539 | as in apt-cache search bzflag? |
| 22:49.03 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 22:49.12 | javawizard2539 | It didn't print anything |
| 22:49.15 | javawizard2539 | and apt-get still fails |
| 22:49.27 | JefferyM | you have the correct repos? |
| 22:49.32 | javawizard2539 | I think |
| 22:49.34 | davemicc | do you have universe enabled? |
| 22:49.36 | javawizard2539 | hang on a sec, I'll pastebin |
| 22:49.42 | javawizard2539 | davemicc: huh? |
| 22:50.03 | javawizard2539 | ~pastebin |
| 22:50.04 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:50.10 | javawizard2539 | hmm |
| 22:50.12 | davemicc | the universe repositories... |
| 22:50.40 | javawizard2539 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5f82e383 |
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| 22:51.44 | SoundlessChaos | anyone got any knowldge on the bzrelay plugin.. its config is a little.. well weird. |
| 22:51.48 | javawizard2539 | ok, I'm back, internet cord got yanked out |
| 22:52.37 | JefferyM | SoundlessChaos, ask the author, anything you find on the fourms is a third party plugin and we did not write or support |
| 22:52.46 | joevano | SoundlessChaos: bzrelay?.. is that that chat between 2 servers thing? |
| 22:52.48 | javawizard2539 | Do I need to add any repositories to my file? |
| 22:52.52 | SoundlessChaos | yes it is |
| 22:52.58 | SoundlessChaos | its relays irc. |
| 22:53.04 | SoundlessChaos | and so forth |
| 22:53.11 | leeguy92 | probably more reliable than my solution |
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| 22:53.21 | joevano | SoundlessChaos: unless they are both your server that plugin is very frowned upon by server owners |
| 22:53.21 | leeguy92 | not as neat, though... |
| 22:53.39 | SoundlessChaos | i have an irc room and im useing my friends server |
| 22:53.45 | javawizard2539 | ugh |
| 22:53.49 | javawizard2539 | I hate my internet |
| 22:53.51 | SoundlessChaos | his irc server and im running my own bz server |
| 22:54.02 | joevano | ok, that is fine |
| 22:54.03 | SoundlessChaos | its just this config is weird.. |
| 22:54.23 | javawizard2539 | davemicc: where are those located? |
| 22:54.52 | leeguy92 | hmm...if both servers are on the same machine, you could make a plugin which uses a named pipe(fifo) to send chat data.... |
| 22:55.18 | SoundlessChaos | there not both on the same machine i mean im in the irc room on the same machine. |
| 22:55.32 | joevano | leeguy92: been done before with a modified bzadmin client... and that removes the same server requirement |
| 22:56.36 | SoundlessChaos | so can i pastebim thus config?? |
| 22:56.41 | SoundlessChaos | this* |
| 22:57.16 | davemicc | javawizard2539, I think if you copy those lines and replace main with universe that will work |
| 22:57.28 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 22:57.47 | davemicc | run apt-get update |
| 23:01.46 | javawizard2539 | davemicc: Added universe to the end and it worked |
| 23:01.50 | javawizard2539 | (of the new line) |
| 23:01.55 | javawizard2539 | or somewhere in there... |
| 23:01.57 | javawizard2539 | either way, it works now |
| 23:03.51 | leeguy92 | the modified bzadmin client - i did that. |
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| 23:12.07 | leeguy92 | and as i have said - its not really a solution, it's pretty poorly coded(i didnt know what a pointer was back then), it was more proof of concept |
| 23:12.25 | SoundlessChaos[A | is now away - Reason : Out |
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| 23:28.56 | hobbsc | is the configuration builder web interface available on linux? |
| 23:29.10 | blast007 | hobbsc: for the bzfs configuration? |
| 23:29.24 | blast007 | it's just a web page... |
| 23:29.34 | hobbsc | ah |
| 23:29.40 | hobbsc | i'll just edit the config file manually, then |
| 23:30.42 | blast007 | and it's in our SVN under if you want it |
| 23:30.51 | blast007 | probably under bzflag/misc/ |
| 23:30.53 | hobbsc | i'll take a look at it |
| 23:30.56 | blast007 | but I wouldn't recommend using it |
| 23:31.19 | blast007 | people tend to get configurations that don't work with it because they don't understand what is supposed to be put where |
| 23:31.29 | blast007 | so I'd recommend using the documentation and hand-coding the configuration |
| 23:34.34 | hobbsc | right |
| 23:34.37 | hobbsc | i used to do them by hand |
| 23:34.42 | hobbsc | just sounded quick/dirty |
| 23:35.23 | blast007 | dirty, definately ;) |
| 23:35.50 | hobbsc | heh |
| 23:35.55 | hobbsc | i'm just looking tos et up a ducati server for a quick game with some friends |
| 23:35.56 | blast007 | probably not horrible for someone that actually knows what values to use |
| 23:35.57 | hobbsc | that or pillbox |
| 23:36.07 | blast007 | but new users typically get confused and think they need to fill in everything |
| 23:36.27 | hobbsc | it'd be slick to have pre-made configs out there, for the lazy |
| 23:37.16 | blast007 | hobbsc: write some up ;) |
| 23:38.25 | hobbsc | heh, should be trivial |
| 23:38.45 | hobbsc | i've got ducati somewhere on my backup server |
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| 23:44.36 | BulletCatcher | A Ducati-style server is easy: "bzfs -cr -mp 0,15,15,0,0,15 -a 45 38 -ms 2 -density 4 -h +r -tk" |
| 23:44.48 | BulletCatcher | That's all there is to it. |
| 23:45.55 | me1 | -density? |
| 23:46.02 | me1 | what does that do? |
| 23:47.03 | me1 | ahh |
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| 23:59.26 | hobbsc | any idea where i can download the pillbox and hix maps? |
| 23:59.45 | JefferyM | hix is in the source tree |
| 23:59.46 | JefferyM | in misc |
| 23:59.47 | me1 | hix is in svn, in misc |
| 23:59.49 | me1 | yeah |
