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| 00:03.01 | SoundlessChaosMB | so now i got a question for ya guys. |
| 00:03.08 | SoundlessChaosMB | as im on comcast.. we have a 250 gb limit cap. |
| 00:03.19 | SoundlessChaosMB | on upload or w.e for bandwidth |
| 00:03.30 | SoundlessChaosMB | im wondering if the server will eat up that much ina month |
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| 00:04.41 | Winny | SoundlessChaosMB: probably not |
| 00:04.54 | Winny | Missile Wars uses about 300gb in a month, but it's pretty much full all the time |
| 00:04.59 | SoundlessChaosMB | well i mean i also run skypew usualy about 9 hours out of the day with it |
| 00:05.15 | SoundlessChaosMB | i have a max player setting of 20. |
| 00:05.59 | Winny | Skype doesn't use much bandwidth |
| 00:06.11 | SoundlessChaosMB | and the servers offline when im asleep. |
| 00:06.25 | SoundlessChaosMB | so it prolly runs bout 5 to 10 hours a day |
| 00:06.53 | Winny | you won't use all your bandwidth |
| 00:07.11 | Winny | there are very few servers that use more then 100gb a month |
| 00:08.00 | Flash | you may need to check your acceptable use policy though |
| 00:08.13 | Flash | I believe Comcast doesn't want you hosting anything on a personal account |
| 00:08.30 | SoundlessChaosMB | there a bunch of whiney lil babies |
| 00:08.47 | JefferyM | what is your speed upstream? |
| 00:08.47 | Winny | you agreed to their EULA when you signed up |
| 00:08.48 | Flash | perhaps, but they own the service and they can shut you down |
| 00:08.52 | SoundlessChaosMB | they called me |
| 00:08.58 | SoundlessChaosMB | they said you cant use ventrillo.. |
| 00:09.11 | JefferyM | then you can't |
| 00:09.24 | SoundlessChaosMB | lol |
| 00:09.26 | SoundlessChaosMB | thats lame tho |
| 00:09.30 | JefferyM | so |
| 00:09.30 | Flash | if you want hosting, you probably need a different service |
| 00:09.33 | JefferyM | pick a different ISP |
| 00:09.35 | SoundlessChaosMB | 2600 |
| 00:09.37 | Winny | I should also add - most popular servers are hosted on dedicated server, in a datacenter |
| 00:09.38 | SoundlessChaosMB | is my upstream |
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| 00:09.52 | JefferyM | that seems very high for a home upstream |
| 00:10.00 | SoundlessChaosMB | yeah i know |
| 00:10.02 | Flash | I think he slipped a digit |
| 00:10.06 | JefferyM | what is your downstream? |
| 00:10.24 | SoundlessChaosMB | i didnt slip anything ill do another speed test here hang on and ill show ya the results with the photo they give me |
| 00:10.35 | Wyk3d | Happy New Year! :) |
| 00:11.47 | SoundlessChaosMB | http://www.speedtest.net/result/381707408.png |
| 00:12.05 | JefferyM | for that much upstream you have crap downstream |
| 00:12.10 | JefferyM | but whatever |
| 00:12.27 | Winny | 4mbit down? ouch |
| 00:12.40 | SoundlessChaosMB | its sup[posed to be 6. |
| 00:12.43 | JefferyM | yeah you'd expect 10 to 20 go go with that |
| 00:13.07 | JefferyM | but yes, depending on usage, it could be very easy for your server to eat 250 gig in a month |
| 00:13.22 | JefferyM | how many shots did you do? |
| 00:13.29 | SoundlessChaosMB | 10 |
| 00:13.30 | Winny | not terribly likely, though |
| 00:13.37 | SoundlessChaosMB | i had 20.. but thats cuz of my friends config |
| 00:13.38 | JefferyM | more shots eat more bandiwth |
| 00:13.48 | JefferyM | it depends on how much it's used |
| 00:13.56 | Winny | most servers don't stay popular enough for long enough to eat that much |
| 00:14.02 | JefferyM | this is true |
| 00:14.10 | Flash | I'm surprised... I got similar upload but 17k download |
| 00:14.46 | SoundlessChaosMB | k ill make my shots 3 |
| 00:15.05 | Winny | yeah, looking at sagonet's bandiwdth graph we used about 260gb in November |
| 00:15.14 | Winny | that's 25-30 players more or less all the time |
| 00:15.37 | JefferyM | depending on what else he does on the system, he could eat that up |
| 00:15.43 | Winny | true |
| 00:15.46 | SoundlessChaosMB | just skype. |
| 00:15.55 | JefferyM | a bandwith intesive task |
| 00:15.56 | Winny | text or voice? |
| 00:16.02 | SoundlessChaosMB | voice |
| 00:16.08 | iShock | Winny, what about missile wars |
| 00:16.10 | Flash | well, all this is moot if your acceptable use policy forbids it |
| 00:16.16 | Winny | even then, it won't use more then 10gb a month I'd imagine |
| 00:16.26 | Winny | iShock: ? |
| 00:16.30 | JefferyM | if they have already called you, they are watching you |
| 00:16.34 | iShock | Winny, how much does missile war goes through? |
| 00:16.45 | Winny | "looking at sagonet's bandiwdth graph we used about 260gb in November" |
| 00:16.50 | SoundlessChaosMB | idc if they watch me i find it a bit of bull that i cant even use vent... |
| 00:16.53 | SoundlessChaosMB | thats what gets me.. |
| 00:16.58 | RatOmeter_ | Shooosh. Got bz from SVN trunk to build with VC++ 9. funky stuff with the DX SDK includes and libs, though |
| 00:16.59 | iShock | Oh, missile wars = sagonet .. I didn;'t know that! |
| 00:17.10 | Winny | iShock: sagonet is the server provider we use |
| 00:17.22 | iShock | K. |
| 00:17.22 | JefferyM | SoundlessChaosMB, you don't own the connection, they can limit it to whatever they want |
| 00:17.23 | Flash | you need to understand that your opinion doesn't matter a whit with regards to your legal agreement |
| 00:17.27 | Winny | SoundlessCha: if you don't like it you can change ISPs to one that is less restrictive |
| 00:17.32 | SoundlessChaosMB | i find that bull tho.. |
| 00:17.37 | JefferyM | so? |
| 00:17.38 | SoundlessChaosMB | they didnt have a problem last month |
| 00:17.47 | SoundlessChaosMB | just all of a sudden corpration wide they did the cap. |
| 00:17.50 | JefferyM | they wern't watching you last month, now they are |
| 00:17.58 | JefferyM | sure, they are out of bandwith |
| 00:18.10 | Winny | you pay for a residential connection for residential activities. running a server is a business activity due to it's intensity |
| 00:18.15 | JefferyM | just because the connection to you has so much bandwith, dosn't mean that THEY have enough to cover everyone |
| 00:18.27 | Winny | yea, ISPs oversell bandwidth |
| 00:18.37 | Winny | because most people don't use anything close to their cap |
| 00:18.53 | SoundlessChaosMB | ikll make the shots 3 |
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| 00:19.31 | RatOmeter_ | There's a little re-org going on in the b/w dept. Wholesalers undercutting each other while losing money, all the while the retailers are bumping prices |
| 00:19.39 | RatOmeter_ | weird market |
| 00:21.09 | SoundlessChaosMB | so say if i run this server for 8 to 19 hours daily also on skype for that amount of time and have 3 shots.. and have a max player set to 20 player.. lets say its maxxxed out on players for a full month each day 8 to 19 hours.. and with skype 8 to 10 hours. |
| 00:21.14 | SoundlessChaosMB | what are my odds of it going over. |
| 00:22.17 | SoundlessChaosMB | 10 hours sorry.. |
| 00:22.22 | SoundlessChaosMB | typeing at an angle here. |
| 00:23.56 | Winny | calculate it |
| 00:24.17 | SoundlessChaosMB | idk how much bandwidth my server even uses.. |
| 00:28.27 | Flash | here's a relevant prohibited activity from the comcast AUP: use or run dedicated, stand-alone equipment or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises local area network (âPremises LANâ), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited equipment and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and |
| 00:28.39 | Flash | so you can't run a server. period. |
| 00:29.10 | SoundlessChaosMB | comcast is lame. |
| 00:29.15 | Flash | so change |
| 00:29.29 | SoundlessChaosMB | ony provider from here to 6 counties |
| 00:29.30 | Flash | that's what you are paying for; for hosting you'll probably pay more |
| 00:29.54 | Flash | comcast business is different. I'm sure they'll sell you business service |
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| 00:50.34 | me1 | is the new post icon perminant? |
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| 00:56.06 | RatOmeter__ | so, Winny, eject_ck couldn't get bz 2.99.x to run without WAN connectivity? |
| 00:56.15 | RatOmeter__ | or was it 2.0.10? |
| 00:56.46 | RatOmeter__ | and has anything changed between those revs that would fix his problem? |
| 00:58.02 | RatOmeter__ | has built, not without some pain, Win32 exe from trunk and has not been able to reproduce the problem |
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| 01:12.38 | Winny | ~me1++ |
| 01:13.09 | me1 | hmm? |
| 01:13.48 | me1 | *headdesk* http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=132653#p132653 |
| 01:14.22 | me1 | Winny, ? |
| 01:15.15 | Winny | me1: your post in the new bzanywhere thread |
| 01:15.20 | me1 | ah |
| 01:15.25 | me1 | yeah |
| 01:15.32 | Winny | :P |
| 01:16.26 | RatOmeter__ | Winny, now I'm wondering why blast007 directed me to SVN trunk version when eject_ck was suffering problems with 2.0.10 |
| 01:16.39 | Winny | RatOmeter__: ask him |
| 01:17.14 | RatOmeter__ | RightO. consider him asked as I included his nick in my last :) |
| 01:18.23 | Winny | :) |
| 01:25.23 | RatOmeter__ | goes to test the problematic state with 2.0.10 |
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| 01:42.03 | RatOmeter_ | blast007: I'm not getting it. Not able to reproduce eject_ck's problems starting bz 2.0.10 on WinXP Pro, without a WAN connection |
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| 01:57.38 | JeffM | ratOmeter_ it can geek if you don't have a nic |
| 01:57.47 | JeffM | it's been fixed in trunk |
| 01:59.29 | RatOmeter_ | good info. I could pull the NIC on the next try of 2.0.10. blast007 suggested/implied that I should try trunk, but if it's been fixed... |
| 02:02.23 | JeffM | it's a curl issue |
| 02:02.28 | JeffM | we don't check a return code |
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| 02:03.12 | RatOmeter_ | since I went to the trouble of building from SVN trunk, is there anything else I could debug? ;) |
| 02:03.32 | Winny | hands RatOmeter_ a fly swatter |
| 02:03.52 | RatOmeter_ | ouch, I know I wasn't ready, but that was a pretty fast handoff |
| 02:03.55 | JeffM | bugs file |
| 02:04.03 | RatOmeter_ | aye, cap'n |
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| 02:30.54 | iShock | FatLizard! |
| 02:56.29 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzlua.jpg |
| 02:56.31 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzWorld.lua |
| 02:56.51 | trepan | the lua logo is being done by LuaUser in the DrawScreen() call-in |
| 02:56.51 | iShock | .lua? |
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| 03:54.30 | RatOmeter_ | too bad I'm too dense to understand the significance of trepan's last postings |
| 03:58.38 | JeffM | client side scripting |
| 04:23.53 | TD-Linux | trepan, a billboard |
| 04:23.55 | TD-Linux | ! |
| 04:25.01 | TD-Linux | trepan, will a primitive-drawing library be included? |
| 04:25.05 | JeffM | I belive it's drawn in screen space |
| 04:25.08 | JeffM | like hud |
| 04:27.24 | trepan | gl.Billboard() is available, but ya, DrawScreen() is screen space (actually setup as 3D screen space, that shifts if the window position shifts) |
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| 04:28.04 | trepan | ie: setup for 3D GUIs |
| 04:28.58 | trepan | TD-Linux: primitive? OpenGL is the basic API, with some minor twists |
| 04:29.34 | TD-Linux | I mean stuff from 1.x - standard look for teleporters, boxes, pyramids |
| 04:29.40 | TD-Linux | ... does that matter anymore? |
| 04:30.32 | trepan | you could write the primitive emulation in lua |
| 04:30.41 | trepan | *primitives |
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| 04:39.28 | JeffM | TD-Linux, why would you want to draw 1.x map primitives directly on the client with out telling the server about them? |
| 05:00.33 | MindstormsKid | 9,8HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! |
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| 05:00.41 | sammyh | Happy New Year ! |
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| 05:06.19 | menotume | bye, will bb next year :P |
| 05:06.29 | MindstormsKid | :P |
| 05:08.37 | JeffM | dosn't he know that our charter expires at the end of 2008? we won't be here |
| 05:12.32 | MrDudle | JeffM |
| 05:12.59 | MrDudle | what charter? |
| 05:13.49 | JeffM | for the org that manages the copright |
| 05:14.02 | MrDudle | for bzflag? |
| 05:14.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:14.24 | JeffM | we won't be a project anymore |
| 05:14.28 | MrDudle | 0.o |
| 05:14.40 | MrDudle | why was 3.0 in the development then? |
| 05:15.45 | MrDudle | JeffM: I assume it's gonna be registered with another company? |
| 05:16.07 | JeffM | thought we could get it in time and that we'd be renewed |
| 05:16.13 | JeffM | porbably not |
| 05:16.26 | JeffM | if we can't make a release who would want us? |
| 05:17.22 | JeffM | we've accepted money for the project too, so that complicates it |
| 05:17.31 | MrDudle | i'm very confused |
| 05:18.52 | JeffM | it's compicated |
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| 05:21.02 | MrDudle | uhm JeffM |
| 05:21.09 | MrDudle | you know simply stating something is copyright |
| 05:21.11 | MrDudle | makes it copyright |
| 05:21.13 | MrDudle | right? |
| 05:21.15 | MrDudle | you know that |
| 05:21.34 | JeffM | that's only the restults of the project |
| 05:21.45 | MrDudle | JeffM i can copyright anything :P |
| 05:21.46 | JeffM | not the project itself |
| 05:21.50 | Constitution | what good is claiming copyright for our org if the org doesn't exist? |
| 05:21.56 | JeffM | exactly |
| 05:22.04 | javawizard2539 | Good point |
| 05:22.06 | JeffM | enfocement becomes inefective |
| 05:22.20 | JeffM | but yes, the old code won't go away |
| 05:22.27 | JeffM | just org stuff |
| 05:22.38 | javawizard2539 | wait a sec |
| 05:22.41 | javawizard2539 | What's this about? |
| 05:22.50 | javawizard2539 | just arrived a few seconds ago and suspects he missed something |
| 05:22.53 | JeffM | charter only lasts till 2008 |
| 05:23.40 | MrDudle | Constitution: An orginization can exist purely by claiming it does :P |
| 05:24.08 | Constitution | I dunno man, JeffM is the legal expert around here |
| 05:24.14 | JeffM | only if it is oragized |
| 05:24.16 | JeffM | we are not |
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| 05:25.25 | Constitution | I heard there is a BZFlag Oil, Co. that wants to grab the trade name |
| 05:25.32 | MrDudle | lol |
| 05:25.33 | Constitution | some gas station company |
| 05:25.40 | MrDudle | Constitution: Non-profit is different |
| 05:25.54 | JeffM | we are not a non profit org |
| 05:26.00 | JeffM | we have accepted money |
| 05:26.05 | MrDudle | Donations |
| 05:26.10 | JeffM | nope |
| 05:26.11 | MrDudle | Donations = Non-profit |
| 05:26.13 | MrDudle | yes |
| 05:26.25 | JeffM | we did not take donations |
| 05:26.28 | JeffM | we were paid by google |
| 05:26.33 | JeffM | for work |
| 05:26.38 | spldart | mmmMMmm 35 min.. |
| 05:26.55 | MrDudle | i don't think that counts JeffM |
| 05:26.59 | JeffM | it does |
| 05:27.04 | MrDudle | like a zoo JeffM |
| 05:27.09 | javawizard2539 | What about Battle Zone? The people who worked for Atari are probably scrambling to reclaim the portion of the name that bzflag took from them |
| 05:27.10 | MrDudle | a zoo is non-profit even if they sell things |
| 05:27.19 | Constitution | and all the shirts and hats we sold |
| 05:27.19 | JeffM | a zoo is a registered NPO |
| 05:27.24 | JeffM | we are not |
| 05:27.28 | JeffM | that is the problem |
| 05:27.28 | MrDudle | hmmm |
| 05:27.31 | MrDudle | become one |
| 05:27.33 | JeffM | there are legal aspects |
| 05:27.35 | JeffM | can't |
| 05:29.57 | JeffM | that needs a valid charter |
| 05:30.03 | JeffM | officers |
| 05:30.22 | javawizard2539 | project managers != officers in an organization like that? |
| 05:30.23 | JeffM | and copyright stuff. |
| 05:30.28 | JeffM | not always |
| 05:30.37 | MrDudle | So it would appear as though, you have been operating as a business but are no longer able to? |
| 05:31.30 | JeffM | indeed |
| 05:31.39 | MrDudle | That seems as if it was your main issue. |
| 05:31.46 | javawizard2539 | is thoroughly confused |
| 05:32.00 | JeffM | much of the open source commnity and project services don't like that kinda stuff |
| 05:32.01 | MrDudle | javawizard2539, the issue apparently is that they have been operating as a legal business. |
| 05:32.25 | MrDudle | So, they have lost their charter or something along that lines javawizard2539. |
| 05:32.33 | MrDudle | reminds javawizard2539 that MrDudle is stupid |
| 05:32.43 | JeffM | and gullable ;) |
| 05:33.06 | MrDudle | gullible :) |
| 05:33.35 | JeffM | we do need to become an org |
| 05:33.37 | JeffM | badly |
| 05:33.42 | MrDudle | JeffM, learn to spell. |
| 05:33.57 | JeffM | no |
| 05:34.19 | MrDudle | JeffM, I do not like being taken a fool. |
| 05:34.23 | javawizard2539 | MrDudle: Learn how not to put your target's name in every single message you send :D |
| 05:35.16 | JeffM | who said anything about a fool |
| 05:35.24 | MrDudle | JeffM, I'd suggest stop talking. |
| 05:35.28 | JeffM | no |
| 05:35.38 | JeffM | get a sense of humor |
| 05:35.39 | Winny | MrDudle: lighten up |
| 05:35.50 | MrDudle | How about no? |
| 05:36.06 | JeffM | your choice |
| 05:36.08 | MrDudle | I don't like being mislead. |
| 05:36.18 | JeffM | then why are you on the inernet? |
| 05:36.23 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:36.26 | JeffM | twas a joke, deal with it |
| 05:36.34 | javawizard2539 | MrDudle: come on, laugh at yourself |
| 05:36.35 | Winny | I hear the library is looking for employees |
| 05:36.36 | MrDudle | JeffM: This was one issue that I couldn't figure out if it was real or not. |
| 05:36.40 | MrDudle | No javawizard2539, this isn't a joke. |
| 05:36.46 | javawizard2539 | I fell for it as much as you did, and I'm laughing my head off at myself |
| 05:36.50 | javawizard2539 | Yes it is |
| 05:36.51 | MrDudle | What's wrong with being a library employee? |
| 05:36.54 | javawizard2539 | think so, at least |
| 05:37.06 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:37.37 | JeffM | MrDudle, yes.. yes it was a joke |
| 05:38.03 | MrDudle | JeffM: I've already stated I don't like being mislead. |
| 05:38.11 | JeffM | I know |
| 05:38.18 | spldart | rolls up a newspaper |
| 05:38.22 | JeffM | you said it wasn't I said it was |
| 05:38.34 | JeffM | I can't help what you do and do not like, tha'ts your biz |
| 05:39.02 | JeffM | I'm sorry if it's upset you but seriously, lighten up |
| 05:39.05 | JeffM | it's IRC |
| 05:39.19 | MrDudle | You mislead me in a very public fashion. |
| 05:39.26 | MrDudle | In a smaller venue it would have been humorous. |
| 05:39.43 | JeffM | that would be part of the joke |
| 05:40.01 | JeffM | it was not inteded JUST for oyu |
| 05:40.02 | MrDudle | Except I now look like a fool infront of 61 other chatters. |
| 05:40.11 | Winny | dude lighten up |
| 05:40.15 | spldart | really |
| 05:40.16 | Winny | it's the internet |
| 05:40.19 | BulletCatcher | shudders at the horror |
| 05:40.26 | MrDudle | Winny: I find the internet to be a very serious place. |
| 05:40.31 | JeffM | so you feel lke a fool, WHOOPTY DO |
| 05:40.36 | spldart | Well tha'ts your problem |
| 05:40.36 | JeffM | learn to lighten up and you won't |
| 05:40.41 | Winny | You fell for it, big whoop I don't care |
| 05:40.50 | MrDudle | Winny: That's fine. |
| 05:40.52 | Winny | but now you're making a stink about it.. and you look stupid |
| 05:40.59 | MrDudle | No, I look angry. |
| 05:41.02 | javawizard2539 | I would be laughing my head off if I was in your position |
| 05:41.05 | spldart | Oh.. sry |
| 05:41.11 | spldart | misread your emotions as well |
| 05:41.24 | javawizard2539 | Honestly, you look like you have absolutely no sense of humor |
| 05:41.27 | MrDudle | I wouldn't. I try and understand what is going on around me javawizard2539. |
| 05:41.30 | javawizard2539 | hopes that didn't sound to blunt |
| 05:41.34 | JeffM | you seemto be indicating that I have some sort of resposibility to make sure your feelings are taken care of? |
| 05:41.35 | javawizard2539 | I do too |
| 05:41.37 | MrDudle | Being mislead in that sort of fashion angers me. |
| 05:41.41 | JeffM | so? |
| 05:41.46 | javawizard2539 | Come on |
| 05:41.49 | JeffM | seeing names with numbers angers me |
| 05:41.50 | javawizard2539 | MrDudle |
| 05:41.55 | javawizard2539 | It's humorous |
| 05:41.58 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:42.05 | spldart | :-D |
| 05:42.08 | Winny | what do you do on april fools day? |
| 05:42.12 | spldart | duck |
| 05:42.14 | javawizard2539 | Seeing someone use their real name as part of their irc name angers me :D |
| 05:42.21 | MrDudle | I don't do April fools day. |
| 05:42.24 | MrDudle | April Fools* |
| 05:42.26 | javawizard2539 | You should |
| 05:42.29 | MrDudle | I don't. |
| 05:42.32 | javawizard2539 | it would benefit you a good deal |
| 05:42.53 | Winny | whhhy soooo.. seriousss |
| 05:42.54 | JeffM | so just because you don't, I can't? |
| 05:42.55 | javawizard2539 | unbolts MrDudle's brain and transplants his sense of humor with a clone of javawizard2539's |
| 05:43.04 | JeffM | that's basicly waht you are saying right? |
| 05:43.07 | MrDudle | JeffM: It is not April Fools day. |
| 05:43.13 | javawizard2539 | MrDudle: So? |
| 05:43.17 | JeffM | I know |
| 05:43.20 | JeffM | maybe it is for me |
| 05:43.22 | *** part/#bzflag MrDudle (n=mrdudle@71-221-20-188.farg.qwest.net) |
| 05:43.24 | Winny | woo |
| 05:43.26 | javawizard2539 | You don't have to confine jokes to april fools day |
| 05:43.27 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:43.28 | spldart | Relax java ;_) |
| 05:43.32 | javawizard2539 | thinks MrDudle has an attitude problem |
| 05:43.37 | JeffM | bets he's 12 |
| 05:43.43 | Winny | instead of letting it go.. he makes a big stink and NOW looks like a moron |
| 05:43.45 | spldart | No lack of that in here ;) |
| 05:43.47 | javawizard2539 | He's actually more like 17 |
| 05:43.51 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:43.53 | JeffM | same thing |
| 05:44.09 | javawizard2539 | He was calling you a bunch of dicks (in particular targeted at JeffM) on MsnMessenger |
| 05:44.19 | javawizard2539 | I said that he can't take a joke at all |
| 05:44.32 | spldart | Java. Relax :) |
| 05:44.35 | Winny | goes for 14 |
| 05:44.37 | javawizard2539 | I am |
| 05:44.52 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:45.11 | JeffM | language please |
| 05:45.16 | javawizard2539 | language? |
| 05:45.21 | JeffM | you |
| 05:45.25 | spldart | Can't say D#$%^ in here |
| 05:45.26 | JeffM | I care not what he says |
| 05:45.28 | spldart | pweese |
| 05:45.31 | javawizard2539 | erg |
| 05:45.34 | javawizard2539 | was quoting him |
| 05:45.37 | JeffM | he's a child and will act like one |
| 05:45.39 | spldart | dont' |
| 05:45.40 | JeffM | don't care realy |
| 05:45.41 | javawizard2539 | So we can say d*** (alternate for darn) |
| 05:45.48 | JeffM | if you must |
| 05:45.50 | javawizard2539 | but not a word that's not even swearing? |
| 05:45.53 | JeffM | I can't see a reason why |
| 05:45.57 | JeffM | famialy channel |
| 05:45.59 | javawizard2539 | (not that I'd say it in my own constructed sentence) |
| 05:46.11 | javawizard2539 | If anything's anti-family, d--- is |
| 05:46.13 | JeffM | basicly if it's not ok for american evening TV, not here |
| 05:46.13 | javawizard2539 | but whatever |
| 05:46.16 | javawizard2539 | d--- as in darn |
| 05:46.41 | spldart | Actually we can be more uptight than ......... prime time tv... |
| 05:46.48 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:46.55 | JeffM | that's my general rule tho |
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| 05:47.01 | JeffM | hence why I'm ok with ASS :) |
| 05:47.08 | spldart | :) |
| 05:47.22 | JeffM | but in general quoting idiots is not realy needed here |
| 05:47.30 | spldart | That darned heel was behaving like a donkey's ass. :) |
| 05:47.41 | BulletCatcher | The d-word that is a nickname for Richard is in the multilingualSwearList. That's a good enough reason not to use it here. |
| 05:47.43 | Winny | aww, but I was going to quote blast007! >:( |
| 05:47.55 | JeffM | Winny, you'll live |
| 05:48.05 | javawizard2539 | hates his internet modem |
| 05:48.14 | spldart | dsl? |
| 05:48.28 | JeffM | get a new one and stop complaining |
| 05:48.29 | javawizard2539 | which one? |
| 05:48.31 | javawizard2539 | darn* or the other one? |
| 05:48.33 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 05:48.35 | javawizard2539 | I also prefer not to use the C word |
| 05:48.37 | javawizard2539 | (aka comcast) |
| 05:48.39 | javawizard2539 | don't ban me for using it :) |
| 05:48.44 | spldart | oh |
| 05:48.48 | BulletCatcher | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.01 | javawizard2539 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.04 | spldart | */vote yes |
| 05:49.07 | spldart | ;) |
| 05:49.14 | javawizard2539 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.16 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 05:49.55 | javawizard2539 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.05 | BulletCatcher | Urg. Syntax error in my /poll command. :-) |
| 05:50.16 | BulletCatcher | Forgot the duration. |
| 05:50.34 | BulletCatcher | Never mind. /poll is correct, but /ban needs the duration. |
| 05:52.01 | javawizard2539 | realizes that superkill isn't an available poll option either... |
| 05:52.19 | spldart | T0 |
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| 05:54.42 | JeffM | ohh TimRiker must be getting that year script ready |
| 05:54.47 | spldart | 5 minutes local time. |
| 05:55.35 | temp_dist | if (days > 366) |
| 05:55.44 | spldart | :) |
| 05:56.25 | JeffM | don't forget we have a leapsecond this year |
| 05:56.35 | TimRiker | heh |
| 05:56.36 | spldart | doh.... |
| 05:57.01 | JeffM | have a good chrismass tim? |
| 06:00.24 | temp_dist | hny |
| 06:10.50 | Flash | I'm amazed that the whole "we are going away" bruhaha lasted as long as it did |
| 06:11.35 | JeffM | indeed |
| 06:11.42 | Flash | anyone who thought that an issue of that magnitude would first surface hours before the end of the world deserves a bridge in new mexico or something |
| 06:12.08 | Flash | so I'm going to blow up some tanks, before the game ceases functioning |
| 06:12.13 | JeffM | hey, don't pick on what his father does, tha'ts not cool ;) |
| 06:15.37 | spldart | :)... discharging firearms into more than adequate bullet stop for new years is a blast... and now for more "the good, the bad, and the ugly" from amc :) |
| 06:16.30 | TimRiker | JeffM: sure. still at the inlaws, catching up on email etc. |
| 06:24.43 | javawizard2539 | JeffM: The leapsecond already occured |
| 06:25.02 | JeffM | javawizard2539, for you |
| 06:25.13 | javawizard2539 | JeffM: for everyone |
| 06:25.16 | JeffM | everyone experiences the leap second differnetly |
| 06:25.20 | javawizard2539 | No |
| 06:25.24 | JeffM | yes |
| 06:25.32 | JeffM | I hope mine will be strawbery |
| 06:25.44 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 06:25.46 | javawizard2539 | oh wait |
| 06:25.47 | javawizard2539 | nvm |
| 06:25.48 | JeffM | last time brlcad had a bad leapsecond |
| 06:25.49 | javawizard2539 | hmm... |
| 06:25.58 | JeffM | he was ranting all night and had to be put in the room |
| 06:26.04 | javawizard2539 | What'd it do, crash his computer? :) |
| 06:26.21 | JeffM | computer... no |
| 06:26.36 | TimRiker | bad karma in some leap seconds. |
| 06:26.53 | TimRiker | I prefer mint myself. |
| 06:27.07 | JeffM | I think it depends on how you've lived the time since the last |
| 06:29.31 | javawizard2539 | JeffM: Just read up, NIST's website shows it occuring along with UTC |
| 06:29.36 | javawizard2539 | Even for people in other timezones |
| 06:29.46 | JeffM | Iknow |
| 06:29.56 | javawizard2539 | The it's already occured |
| 06:29.59 | javawizard2539 | is still confused |
| 06:30.03 | TD-Linux | whoa what, a leapsecond? |
| 06:30.08 | javawizard2539 | Yep |
| 06:30.16 | javawizard2539 | Occured 6 and 1/2 hours ago |
| 06:30.19 | TD-Linux | this will mess up my temporal portal :S |
| 06:30.28 | javawizard2539 | :D |
| 06:30.33 | JeffM | TD-Linux, compensation for planetery rotation |
| 06:30.48 | javawizard2539 | Actually, the fact that each year is about 3 milliseconds longer than the last will probably mess you up even more |
| 06:30.49 | JeffM | your portal works on real time, not daylight time |
| 06:30.50 | TD-Linux | aah, not exactly 1/4 |
| 06:30.51 | javawizard2539 | Exactly |
| 06:31.13 | TD-Linux | JeffM, the time portion of the portal will work fine |
| 06:31.14 | javawizard2539 | Tidal forces (whatever those are) are slowing down the earth |
| 06:31.22 | TD-Linux | but unfortunately it's not just a temporal portal anymore |
| 06:31.30 | JeffM | javawizard2539, that's called the moon |
| 06:31.46 | javawizard2539 | heh, figured it had something to do with that |
| 06:31.47 | short_circuit | An d if you look closesly |
| 06:31.52 | TD-Linux | I've extended it to also allow one to connect two portals and create a spatial portal |
| 06:31.56 | short_circuit | a couple of planets are also visible |
| 06:32.01 | short_circuit | at key times lately |
| 06:32.25 | javawizard2539 | Which reminds me... |
| 06:32.45 | javawizard2539 | There was some star (or planet, assuming the latter) that was right below the moon earlier tonight |
| 06:32.48 | javawizard2539 | Anyone know which planet that was? |
| 06:32.59 | short_circuit | venus... maybe jupiter |
| 06:33.13 | short_circuit | It was 5 degrees above the moon last evening |
| 06:33.31 | javawizard2539 | I'd think it would be jupiter |
| 06:33.33 | javawizard2539 | but yeah |
| 06:33.40 | javawizard2539 | My dad was saying that venus closely trails the sun |
| 06:33.42 | javawizard2539 | or leads it |
| 06:33.55 | javawizard2539 | And it was way after the sun went down |
| 06:33.57 | short_circuit | mercury should be just next to it as viewed several hours ago.. or on the next rise |
| 06:34.14 | javawizard2539 | will watch for it tomorrow morning |
| 06:34.20 | javawizard2539 | ...or tomorrow night |
| 06:34.23 | short_circuit | may as well |
| 06:34.24 | javawizard2539 | Whichever one it shows up ad |
| 06:34.29 | javawizard2539 | *at |
| 06:34.40 | JeffM | that would depend on what time of year it is for both planets ;) |
| 06:34.47 | short_circuit | Use magnification... Better chance of seeing mercury |
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| 07:00.04 | javawizard2539 | Happy New Year! |
| 07:00.12 | javawizard2539 | darn, 4 seconds late |
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| 07:03.56 | TkTech | JeffM, you here |
| 07:04.05 | JeffM | yep |
| 07:04.57 | BulletCatcher | According to Stellarium (www.stellarium.org), that was indeed Venus near the Moon earlier in the evening. Jupiter sets much sooner after sunset. |
| 07:12.07 | javawizard2539 | goes to download Stellarium |
| 07:33.31 | javawizard2539 | Wow, this is awesome |
| 07:33.42 | javawizard2539 | thoroughly enjoys Stellarium now that he's tried it |
| 07:34.17 | iShock | Stellarium? |
| 07:36.47 | javawizard2539 | refers iShock to BulletCatcher's previous remark |
| 07:36.51 | javawizard2539 | www.stellarium.org |
| 07:36.56 | javawizard2539 | A star viewer |
| 07:37.07 | javawizard2539 | Shows which stars (and planets) are where in the sky at any given time for any given location |
| 07:42.24 | BulletCatcher | Stellarium brings you that much closer to never having to leave your computer. |
| 07:45.55 | iShock | Awesome ! |
| 07:45.58 | iShock | goes |
| 07:48.40 | brlcad | has bad leapseconds *all* the time |
| 07:49.29 | JeffM | remember that one where you came out of it thinking you were a fish? |
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| 10:08.46 | trepan | tied the engine font renderer in LuaOpenGL, world text objects are no longer needed :) |
| 10:09.28 | trepan | (and added OpenIL/ILU/ILUT as an option for lua based fonts, with outlining ...) |
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| 10:56.01 | eject_ck | Hi all |
| 10:58.21 | eject_ck | I'm trying get - "Join Game"->Find Server ... at this point I cannot get servers list. I added to config "set list http://my.bzflag.org/db ", but result same, and I noticed that after starting bzflag this file everytime overwrites by empty server list value. Can anybody help? |
| 11:28.58 | eject_ck | I want to translate bzflag to untranslated languages |
| 11:29.19 | eject_ck | I did some editing for new .po file |
| 11:29.27 | eject_ck | when I |
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| 11:30.26 | eject_ck | starting bzflag with -locale uk I see unicode codes for translated chars (I'm using win32 atm). PO file encoded in utf-8 without BOM |
| 11:31.42 | eject_ck | what requirements for encoding in .po file for bzflag ? |
| 11:33.35 | Chestal | eject_ck: for the list server problem: you could try and use a different port, in case there is some not quite so transparent proxy for you on port 80 |
| 11:34.17 | eject_ck | Chestal: I already solved this problem by adding -list |
| 11:34.45 | eject_ck | btw, can`t understand why config everytime clear set list value |
| 11:36.10 | eject_ck | Need help with .po file :), btw poedit ( i tried use it too) tell me that bzflag_xx.po contain duplicate items |
| 11:39.45 | Chestal | eject_ck: 2.0 does not really do Unicode. The .po files are supposed to be encoded as utf-8. The game then transliterates some non-ASCII characters it knows to a sequence of ASCII characters (i.e. German umlaut ä -> ae) |
| 11:40.10 | Chestal | eject_ck: if it find characters it doesn't know about I think it prints their hex value or something |
| 11:40.22 | Chestal | code is in src/common/Bundle.cxx |
| 11:40.26 | eject_ck | true |
| 11:40.36 | eject_ck | so I need use ASCII ? |
| 11:40.45 | eject_ck | what with Cyrillic ? |
| 11:41.14 | eject_ck | what I get http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzflagic7.gif |
| 11:41.22 | Chestal | 2.0 can only print ASCII characters on screen |
| 11:41.53 | Chestal | looks nice ;-) |
| 11:42.32 | eject_ck | It crash when I encoded to ANSI and translated into ukrainian some strings |
| 11:42.34 | eject_ck | :( |
| 11:42.48 | eject_ck | any ideas when somebody can add utf support? |
| 11:42.49 | Chestal | is there a good transliteration from Cyrillic to Latin? |
| 11:43.00 | Chestal | if not, then it's a wasted effort |
| 11:43.39 | eject_ck | there is no :( |
| 11:43.44 | Chestal | I think the text rendering engine in the development branch changed, it might support unicode directly, but I am not up to date with development |
| 11:44.11 | Chestal | if it does, you could work on translating for the future version |
| 11:45.20 | Chestal | I guess in a few hours some people will wake up who know more about it :-) |
| 12:53.14 | eject_ck | Chestal: are you still there ? |
| 12:53.58 | eject_ck | I'll be glad to help community with translation into Russian and Ukrainian :) |
| 12:54.13 | eject_ck | Chestal: are you bzflag developer? |
| 12:54.35 | eject_ck | brb in 2 hours, let continue then |
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| 14:20.30 | UbuntuGuyBZ | hi |
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| 14:43.02 | eject_ck | Hi all |
| 14:43.59 | eject_ck | Can anybody dell me about utf-8 support? I tried to add Ukrainian translation for bzflag which is encoded in UTF-8 and figured out that it'snot supported (thanks to Chestal) |
| 14:44.10 | eject_ck | s/dell/tell |
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| 14:55.17 | delusional_ | yo temp_dist, happy new year. |
| 14:55.33 | temp_dist | delusional_: thx, you too |
| 14:55.43 | leeguy92 | it's been new year for 13 hours here.. |
| 14:55.47 | delusional_ | how is happy alice doing with the chat translator. |
| 14:55.52 | leeguy92 | but happy new year, all the same |
| 14:57.20 | temp_dist | delusional_: the chat translator is done and elegant and gorgeous |
| 14:57.34 | temp_dist | but rejected from the project, because it violates Google TOS |
| 14:57.47 | temp_dist | we are now working on another project |
| 14:58.09 | temp_dist | a new bzadmin |
| 14:58.14 | delusional_ | oh dam, that is a tough nut to crack |
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| 14:59.35 | temp_dist | she has a pretty good start at it, functional enough |
| 15:00.08 | delusional_ | are you working on trunk? |
| 15:00.12 | leeguy92 | im still trying to decipher the network protocol from a combination of wireshark and the wiki |
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| 15:09.24 | temp_dist | delusional_:, no, it's working with the active 2.0 branch now |
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| 15:46.34 | leeguy92 | ok, im confuzzed. does anyone know what is the eighth byte of a MsgEnter message(byte 0007)? |
| 15:46.35 | leeguy92 | it isnt mentioned at all in the wiki |
| 15:59.42 | leeguy92 | ha-ha, got it! 0006 is some kind of seemingly pointless flag byte which is 0xff when the team is automatic. and 0007 is the team(which is 0xfe when automatic) |
| 16:07.27 | Chestal | leeguy92: the team id is sent as a signed 2 byte word (two's complement), automatic is -2 |
| 16:07.46 | leeguy92 | ah...... |
| 16:08.23 | leeguy92 | 65534 different teams sounds interesting |
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| 16:25.52 | BulletCatcher | eject_ck: BZFlag already has UTF-8 support in the 2.99.x development trunk. We have no plans to add it to the 2.0.x branch. |
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| 16:52.35 | eject_ck1 | can anybody there help with translation ? |
| 16:55.22 | JeffM2501 | it would probably be best if you said from what to what |
| 17:02.03 | eject_ck1 | JeffM2501: I want add Ukrainian and Russian translation for bzflag |
| 17:02.24 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 dosn't support those character sets |
| 17:02.25 | eject_ck1 | Chestal: eject_ck: 2.0 does not really do Unicode. The .po files are supposed to be encoded as utf-8. The game then transliterates some non-ASCII characters it knows to a sequence of ASCII characters (i.e. German umlaut ? -> ae) |
| 17:02.30 | JeffM2501 | we will in 3.0 |
| 17:02.43 | eject_ck1 | When ? |
| 17:02.50 | JeffM2501 | when it's released |
| 17:03.14 | eject_ck1 | any estimates ? Can I ask developers for this support ? |
| 17:03.27 | JeffM2501 | we don't do release dates |
| 17:03.30 | JeffM2501 | but support for it is done |
| 17:03.34 | eject_ck1 | to make it more popular :) |
| 17:03.51 | eject_ck1 | JeffM2501: so I can try with -current ? |
| 17:04.03 | JeffM2501 | depends what you mean by current |
| 17:04.12 | eject_ck1 | SVN code |
| 17:04.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:04.40 | eject_ck1 | great, then quick question - what I need to build win32 under win32 :) |
| 17:04.52 | JeffM2501 | visual C++ |
| 17:05.09 | JeffM2501 | 2.99 should build fine with MSVC 2008 express edition |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM2501 | as long as you have the platform SDK and direct X |
| 17:05.31 | eject_ck1 | 2.99 have support for utf ? |
| 17:05.35 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:05.40 | JeffM2501 | that's the dev versions for 3.0 |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM2501 | utf was done a couple months ago |
| 17:06.18 | eject_ck1 | so this http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.99.x/bzflag-2.99.7.20080907.exe possibly have utf support too ? |
| 17:06.34 | JeffM2501 | that's from september |
| 17:06.36 | JeffM2501 | I doubt it |
| 17:08.16 | eject_ck1 | unfortunately I don`t have VC compiler atm, and only gprs internet available there (I'm on vaccation), so I will try build SVN only next week. |
| 17:08.52 | eject_ck1 | I promice to translate to UK and RU :), I tried bzflag first time yesterday - it's pretty cool game :) |
| 17:09.29 | eject_ck1 | JeffM2501: can I ask you to build SVN code ? |
| 17:09.47 | eject_ck1 | and share compressed ? |
| 17:09.50 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 17:09.56 | eject_ck1 | great!!! |
| 17:15.00 | me1 | JeffM2501, did you/anyone else fix the project file to use glew.h? |
| 17:15.27 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:19.01 | JeffM2501 | goes and sees how he can integrate glew into the source tree |
| 17:23.57 | eject_ck1 | where I should save .bzw file to get choice during server creation via GUI ? |
| 17:24.20 | JeffM2501 | it's different on each OS |
| 17:24.28 | JeffM2501 | I recomend using the command line for starting a server |
| 17:24.37 | JeffM2501 | we have removed that gui as it does not work well |
| 17:24.53 | eject_ck1 | winxp |
| 17:25.10 | JeffM2501 | your my bzflag files dir |
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| 17:25.35 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19111 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/glew/ (600 files in 17 dirs): GLEW is required, so add some sources so they can be built ( it ain't that big ) |
| 17:26.47 | eject_ck1 | thanks! |
| 17:31.32 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19112 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/GLEW.vcproj: vc9 project for glew |
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| 17:39.25 | JeffM2501 | the nix makefile will need to be changed to build glew if it dosn't exist |
| 17:41.03 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19113 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/World.cxx: doubles are not floats. |
| 17:43.53 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19114 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/date.vcproj: object files go in date_debug not debug |
| 17:45.03 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19115 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/man2html.vcproj: output files go in man2html_debug not debug |
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| 17:57.01 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19116 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/GLEW.vcproj: glew is one file, no need to make a lib just for that, build it into the client |
| 17:59.58 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19117 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/DynamicColor.cxx: size_t is not an int |
| 18:01.14 | JeffM2501 | blast007: good thing you upgraded just now, http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1385785 |
| 18:01.35 | TD-Linux | -mtune=i686 still is in the build options :/ |
| 18:01.57 | JeffM2501 | what does that do? |
| 18:02.12 | TD-Linux | optimizes the code to run best on pentium II |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM2501 | sounds like a good idea to me |
| 18:02.29 | TD-Linux | not really |
| 18:02.34 | TD-Linux | few people run pentium IIs anymore |
| 18:02.53 | TD-Linux | I think you want -march=i686 |
| 18:02.55 | JeffM2501 | yes, but newer CPUs can use the same optimisations |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM2501 | it's P2 (or better) |
| 18:03.11 | TD-Linux | not really |
| 18:03.19 | TD-Linux | yeah if you want P2 or better, it's -march |
| 18:03.28 | JeffM2501 | then fix it ;) |
| 18:03.39 | TD-Linux | autotools scares me |
| 18:03.46 | JeffM2501 | so? |
| 18:03.58 | TD-Linux | I guess I can find it :) |
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| 18:27.30 | Winny | yawns |
| 18:27.59 | Winny | eek, two jeffs! |
| 18:30.40 | me1 | I noticed that I lag considerably more with trunk than with 2.0.10. with trunk I had a reported lag of 3-400, while in 2.0.10 i had 73. (both on bzflag3.norang.ca) |
| 18:30.53 | JeffM | don't trust the reports |
| 18:31.01 | me1 | k |
| 18:31.14 | JeffM | you've all been trained that lag is part of gameplay |
| 18:31.24 | me1 | it kicks me, that's why |
| 18:31.37 | JeffM | dev servers should not set lag limits |
| 18:31.52 | JeffM | or anyone who is debuging will be kicked |
| 18:32.01 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 18:32.06 | Thumper_ | removes the kick... |
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| 18:34.18 | BulletCatcher | My experience with playing trunk against a real opponent indicates that the high lag is real. Tanks jump around with the corresponding difficulty in hitting them. |
| 18:34.20 | menotume | ok, who's the wiseguy007 who changed the forums? :P |
| 18:34.58 | JeffM | your mom |
| 18:35.09 | menotume | Mommy ! |
| 18:35.11 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: that's not lag, that's a DR bug |
| 18:35.24 | JeffM | but you are welcome to debug it ;) |
| 18:35.56 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I think I understand the difference. |
| 18:36.17 | JeffM | yeah they both can have the same visual effects |
| 18:36.48 | JeffM | but in the MsgWhatTimeIsIt message we were never seeing large sync changes or deltas, indicating that lag was not higher, just the DR was more jumpy |
| 18:37.03 | JeffM | menotume: phpbb2 is desuported now |
| 18:37.18 | menotume | okies |
| 18:37.28 | menotume | i just needed to add someone to a group |
| 18:37.36 | JeffM | yeah it's different now |
| 18:37.41 | JeffM | overall its' a lot better |
| 18:37.42 | menotume | i see now i need to go to admin panel |
| 18:37.56 | JeffM | yeah it's all "pannels" now |
| 18:38.06 | JeffM | but there are like user searches and stuff now :) |
| 18:38.16 | menotume | ahhhh, gooooooodie |
| 18:41.35 | JeffM | at some point we need to get group management out of phpbb anyway |
| 18:46.01 | me1 | hmm.. it seems that when you pause, it takes your flag before you pause, so if you try to pause and fail (like if your in the air), it takes your flag anyway. |
| 18:46.34 | JeffM | don't do that ;) |
| 18:46.37 | JeffM | server does it now |
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| 18:56.53 | RC_cola | hi |
| 18:57.03 | menotume | colaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 18:57.13 | RC_cola | meenooooooo |
| 18:57.20 | Birdie | heya |
| 18:57.26 | RC_cola | i have a ? |
| 18:57.35 | RC_cola | hai birdie =) |
| 18:58.19 | RC_cola | jus pOpped in 2 say .. i think da header logo on da new bz forum iz alil messd upz =P |
| 18:58.40 | menotume | what is the question ? :P |
| 18:58.43 | JeffM | as messed up as that sentance? ;) |
| 18:58.45 | RC_cola | ni dunt like postin on da main forum.. so i thot i'd tel u guyz here insted =P |
| 18:58.49 | JeffM | yes it still needs a little work |
| 18:59.02 | JeffM | please speak english |
| 18:59.18 | RC_cola | yup .. messed up jus like ur an my spelling ;) |
| 18:59.21 | RC_cola | k |
| 18:59.24 | JeffM | at least I try |
| 18:59.27 | menotume | dat IS Englush for hurr |
| 18:59.32 | JeffM | no it isn't |
| 18:59.34 | JeffM | and she knows it |
| 18:59.39 | spldart | It's an abomination |
| 18:59.50 | RC_cola | i dunt need 2 try. i can. but dunt. |
| 18:59.56 | JeffM | girl or not, we tell others to not type tlike that, so we tell her too |
| 19:00.04 | JeffM | ok, well I'll go about ignoring you then |
| 19:00.06 | JeffM | have fun |
| 19:00.07 | RC_cola | anywayz.. im not here to argue |
| 19:00.10 | RC_cola | k |
| 19:00.15 | menotume | yes you are |
| 19:00.20 | RC_cola | lol |
| 19:00.34 | JeffM | considering I'm the one that MADE that header.... |
| 19:01.17 | menotume | an itz a beootyfull header |
| 19:01.31 | RC_cola | wel.. regarding da header..bzflag.org looks alil funny.. an da official forum part iz blurred out by da sun |
| 19:01.38 | JeffM | I know |
| 19:01.44 | JeffM | but now I get to leave it that way for a month |
| 19:01.51 | menotume | :) |
| 19:02.01 | JeffM | I was going to fix it today |
| 19:02.18 | RC_cola | an da motto: clean fun.. sorta.. iz prctically invisible |
| 19:02.23 | RC_cola | o okies |
| 19:02.24 | JeffM | yep |
| 19:02.35 | JeffM | maybe I'll leave it till spring |
| 19:02.46 | menotume | itz suppost to bee dat way |
| 19:02.49 | RC_cola | i thot u were gonna ignore mee.. |
| 19:03.00 | RC_cola | o wel c u meeno |
| 19:03.01 | spldart | My brain hurts |
| 19:03.05 | menotume | lol |
| 19:03.06 | JeffM | no, now I'm just going to not fix it untill you talk correctly |
| 19:03.12 | JeffM | or maybe I'll just kick you |
| 19:03.16 | RC_cola | nbye birdie c u on GU ^^ |
| 19:03.18 | JeffM | I'm not joking, please speak normal here |
| 19:03.29 | JeffM | you can do what you wish on other channels |
| 19:03.42 | menotume | that would be a first, i'd like to see her try |
| 19:03.59 | JeffM | then I guess she won't be coming here anymore then |
| 19:04.13 | Birdie | she will never talk "normal" |
| 19:04.20 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 19:04.27 | JeffM | she just won't do it here anymore |
| 19:04.45 | spldart | <Birdie> "she will never talk" |
| 19:04.46 | spldart | ;) |
| 19:05.11 | Birdie | speak*? |
| 19:05.47 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19118 10/trunk/bzflag/ (14 files in 6 dirs): glew is required, so remove HAVE_GLEW and use it. |
| 19:05.51 | JeffM | you can tell her to not bother coming here if she's going to continue that, I don't care how long she's been in the community |
| 19:06.09 | catay | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.03 | me1 | JeffM, should i submit the pausing thing to the bug tracker, or is it not a big deal? |
| 19:07.15 | JeffM | me1: I don't see it as a bug |
| 19:07.16 | spldart | Would that kinda of 'communication' also not be tolerated in bz-chat? |
| 19:07.19 | JeffM | you would have paused if you could have |
| 19:07.25 | me1 | ok |
| 19:07.27 | JeffM | spldart: slighly but not really |
| 19:07.34 | spldart | k |
| 19:07.45 | JeffM | me1: you wanted to pause, you hit the key, so step one of pausing is drop the flag |
| 19:08.02 | JeffM | just beause it failed should not mean you didn't WANT to pause ;) |
| 19:08.33 | JeffM | goes for a release build to see if that works |
| 19:09.04 | JeffM | the makefiles have to be changed, to ensure that glew is installed on all systems, so someone should work on that |
| 19:09.17 | JeffM | should turn it into a system like curl, where we build it if we don't find it |
| 19:09.38 | BulletCatcher | I'll fix configure.ac later today if no one else does it first. |
| 19:10.04 | JeffM | thanks |
| 19:10.13 | JeffM | glew is just one c file |
| 19:10.22 | JeffM | so I don't know if you even need to build a lib for it |
| 19:10.40 | JeffM | you can just include it in the client build |
| 19:11.25 | JeffM | and whatever you do, don't define GLEW_MX I found out ;) |
| 19:11.45 | BulletCatcher | notes that |
| 19:12.01 | JeffM | on windows I had to define GLEW_STATIC |
| 19:12.06 | JeffM | but I don't think that matters on the others |
| 19:12.10 | JeffM | since they don't do exports |
| 19:13.39 | me1 | JeffM, when you cancel the pause countdown, it takes your flag. is that a bug? |
| 19:14.14 | JeffM | again no, you wanted to pause, so we should boot your flag ;) |
| 19:14.26 | me1 | you cancel the countdown, tho |
| 19:14.30 | JeffM | the moment you start down the pause path I think we should take your stuff |
| 19:14.32 | BulletCatcher | What if the pause button was pressed by accident? |
| 19:14.41 | me1 | yeah |
| 19:14.42 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 19:14.57 | JeffM | ok, I could see that |
| 19:15.08 | JeffM | so just take it on the end of a valid countdown |
| 19:15.12 | JeffM | even if pause fails cus you are moving |
| 19:16.04 | BulletCatcher | If it is easy to do the "moving" check before dropping the flag, we should do that. |
| 19:17.33 | JeffM | the drop is on the server, so it really can't do much "moving" tests yet |
| 19:17.43 | JeffM | so I'd just drop it at the end of the countdown |
| 19:17.50 | JeffM | cus then you know it's not an accedental pause |
| 19:19.49 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19119 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/bzflag.vcproj: make release builds work with glew |
| 19:22.19 | iShock | Lots of revisions :o |
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| 19:34.18 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19120 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (7 files in 7 dirs): use the correct location for plug-in utils |
| 19:40.25 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19121 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: |
| 19:40.25 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: update version |
| 19:40.25 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: add comment about how we need to auto-install the VC9 runtimes |
| 19:40.25 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: add note on install to tell user to go GET the VC9 runtime. |
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| 19:44.35 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19122 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: include the stuff for plugin_utils when installing the API bins. |
| 19:45.13 | JeffM | me1: it should build now |
| 19:46.57 | JeffM | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.99.x/bzflag-2.99.14.20090101.exe for anyone that wants it |
| 19:49.09 | Winny | can anyone see this image? http://vibealicious.com/blog/wp-content/themes/WPVibe/images/footer.png |
| 19:49.18 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:49.35 | Winny | firefox? |
| 19:49.38 | iShock | JeffM made a 2.99.x windoes build?! |
| 19:50.02 | JeffM | nope, I made a pie |
| 19:50.07 | JeffM | and then shoved it into the installer |
| 19:50.10 | iShock | Ooh, apple? |
| 19:50.18 | iShock | Happy new year btw :< |
| 19:53.48 | Flash | JeffM made Apple? Who would have thunk it |
| 19:53.55 | JeffM | I never said that |
| 19:53.59 | Flash | ;-) |
| 19:54.07 | JeffM | sold my mac long ago |
| 19:56.12 | Winny | boooo |
| 19:56.38 | Flash | that's why JeffM is so grumpy ;-) |
| 19:56.59 | JeffM | bought a nice new laptop with it |
| 19:57.08 | JeffM | and learned that I like to write |
| 19:57.12 | JeffM | so I can't see that as a bad thing at all |
| 19:57.29 | Winny | ~Flash++ |
| 19:57.42 | Flash | Winny: I see it, but it is boring. What's it supposed to be? |
| 19:57.53 | Winny | ~karma Flash |
| 19:57.53 | ibot | flash has karma of 35 |
| 19:57.56 | Winny | :) |
| 19:58.13 | Flash | rank amateur... |
| 19:58.44 | Flash | ~karma brlcad |
| 19:58.45 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 19:58.49 | Flash | hmmmm |
| 19:59.02 | iShock | ~karma iShock |
| 19:59.02 | ibot | ishock has neutral karma |
| 19:59.05 | iShock | :< |
| 19:59.21 | iShock | Meanie! |
| 20:01.16 | JeffM | Winny: is there a float: for center? |
| 20:01.31 | Winny | JeffM: no, you need to do margin: 0 auto; |
| 20:04.59 | Winny | which centers stuff |
| 20:05.04 | JeffM | there, header should look better now :) |
| 20:18.21 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19123 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/glew/ (494 files in 6 dirs): Add the Subversion svn:eol-style=native property. |
| 20:19.31 | BulletCatcher | Wow. It took 13 minutes to process that commit. I was getting only about 10 kilobytes/sec upload speed. |
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| 20:31.32 | Winny | this is a total noob question |
| 20:31.57 | Winny | but let's say I have a directory, like /things/stuff and in there is a file called "item" |
| 20:32.39 | Winny | in the /things directory I have a file called "list".. what's the best way to specify the path to "list" from "item"? A full system path? |
| 20:32.55 | JeffM | ./list |
| 20:33.10 | JeffM | assuming where item is, is the current working dir |
| 20:33.21 | JeffM | if it's not, then yeah full path |
| 20:33.22 | Winny | ahh, ok.. so for each period, that's one parent folder out? |
| 20:33.33 | JeffM | no |
| 20:33.39 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.44 | JeffM | .. is up a dir |
| 20:33.55 | JeffM | if you want to go up one from the working dir, it's ../ |
| 20:34.11 | Winny | k |
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| 21:39.33 | quantumfoam | hey would this be the place to contact someone regarding access to a league server that I dont appear to have? |
| 21:40.18 | brad | what league? |
| 21:41.03 | quantumfoam | i'm in TheSimpsons and the server I couldnt spawn or talk on was longdon 58 |
| 21:41.54 | JeffM | what league? |
| 21:41.56 | quantumfoam | sry - GU League |
| 21:41.57 | JeffM | there is more then one |
| 21:42.06 | JeffM | they have there own channel |
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| 21:43.48 | qf | sry - dropped - I'm back brad |
| 21:44.01 | brad | do you have the same name on bzbb and the league site? |
| 21:44.15 | qf | yeah - quantumfoam |
| 21:45.12 | brad | you should be able to spawn/talk now |
| 21:46.26 | qf | terrific. they gave up trying to get the match going now but thanks for enabling me for the future. |
| 21:46.50 | brad | have fun :p |
| 21:48.21 | qf | hey - one more question (of the "dfu" variety) been playing for like many years and I've never figured out if you can (and if so how) to target a message to a specific user in-game. |
| 21:49.12 | catay | qf: press n and use the arrows to select user |
| 21:50.17 | qf | now thats just stupid (on my part) :-) I used to consider myself fairly technical. Now I pay other people to be and the brain muscles atrophy. |
| 21:50.24 | qf | thanks and have a good one |
| 21:50.36 | catay | yw :) |
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| 22:04.51 | leeguy92 | lo, soundless. |
| 22:18.42 | blast007 | JeffM: another reason it was good that I upgraded was because were were a couple versions behind on phpBB2 anyway ;) |
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| 23:01.20 | Winny | JeffM: dunno if this guy's avatar is legal: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=34912 |
| 23:01.29 | Winny | shows quite the sideboob |
| 23:04.22 | ts | Hehe, we had naked women going into cold water today in the tv news at 6:45pm today but yeah bzflag is a "kids" forum. |
| 23:06.24 | Winny | ts: You must be in Europe :P |
| 23:08.30 | ts | Winny: Yes, Germany..I remember an interview with kid rock being surprised we can say the "f-word" all the time and no one will be upset. ;) |
| 23:18.46 | SoundlessChaos_ | happy new years guys |
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| 23:47.10 | brlcad | Flash: mine is fixed |
| 23:47.25 | Flash | you what? |
| 23:47.31 | brlcad | karma |
| 23:47.31 | Flash | *your |
| 23:47.37 | Flash | ~karma brlcat |
| 23:47.37 | ibot | brlcat has neutral karma |
| 23:47.39 | Flash | ~karma brlcad |
| 23:47.39 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 23:47.47 | Flash | fixed as in neutered? |
| 23:47.53 | brlcad | as in unchanging |
| 23:47.59 | Flash | ah |
| 23:56.16 | Winny | ~karma learner |
| 23:56.17 | ibot | learner has karma of 98 |
| 23:56.17 | Winny | hm |
| 23:56.33 | Winny | a ha :) |
| 23:56.49 | spldart | Where can I look on my VC9 to verify my sdk/'s are linked properly? |
| 23:57.25 | JeffM | tools, options, project and build(IIRC), VC dirs |
| 23:58.24 | brlcad | ~seen learner |
| 23:58.24 | ibot | learner <n=brlcad@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 223d 18h 56m 17s ago, saying: 'not as good as 1 or 3, but probably better than 2'. |
| 23:59.02 | JeffM | I'd say learner has flown the coop |
| 23:59.21 | spldart | IC tools, options, project and solutions.... But no vc dir's. Ic a projects dir, a project templates dir and a Items templates dir slot |
| 23:59.53 | JeffM | boots the machine with EE |
