| 00:00.00 | JefferyM | 30fps also adds 33ms to your lag |
| 00:00.46 | blast007 | my intel 855 can get 50 to 70 @640x480 in 2.0, at least on some maps |
| 00:01.01 | JefferyM | it is all map dependent |
| 00:01.28 | JefferyM | and I forsee maps only getting more complex/ graphicaly intensive in the future, not less. |
| 00:01.53 | blast007 | yeah, I think my most recent favorite typically has less than 2000 tris on screen |
| 00:02.02 | JefferyM | a low end nvidia card will probaly bump you over the 100's of fps |
| 00:02.29 | JefferyM | unless the CPU is slow too |
| 00:03.37 | spldart | What would be a good mininum cpu nowadays? |
| 00:03.49 | spldart | Well.. for 2.99 when it comes out |
| 00:04.15 | JefferyM | one should expect something in the 1.5gig + range I would think |
| 00:04.25 | JefferyM | I mean friggin netbooks are now shipping with 1.6s |
| 00:04.34 | spldart | true |
| 00:04.47 | JefferyM | your problem is your older bus and arch |
| 00:04.55 | me1 | JefferyM, would that be 100+ with lowest graphics, "high", "med" or "exp"? |
| 00:05.06 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/spring/jpg/sepia.jpg -- from a while back (with aliasing a la Matrix) |
| 00:05.14 | blast007 | me1: the 7600gt in my other laptop can do 100+ at 1440x900 |
| 00:05.18 | JefferyM | me1, on real hardware I would not expect it to change much based on quality |
| 00:05.29 | blast007 | at exp quality |
| 00:06.17 | me1 | trepan's cheating! |
| 00:06.21 | me1 | :P |
| 00:06.22 | spldart | I know nvid 5200 and 6200 on a busy busy map with long shots and some meshes/textures is around 50 fps. A much lighter map is 80 to 100 or more. |
| 00:06.38 | JefferyM | the fill time for a shaded triangle and a textured triangle isn't much different in modern hardware that uses shader units for everything. |
| 00:06.46 | JefferyM | it just changes where it gets it's data from |
| 00:07.00 | JefferyM | spldart, that's probably due to your CPU |
| 00:07.10 | JefferyM | and your AGPness |
| 00:07.27 | JefferyM | remember you are like 3-4 gens behind |
| 00:07.57 | spldart | Not so much... tried both cards in two rigs.. one dual cpu with overclocked bus and the other a single cpu with non oc bus. both k7 socket... not much diff... it's either agpness or card itself |
| 00:08.18 | JefferyM | how much was the bus OCed by? |
| 00:08.35 | JefferyM | and yeah, dual vs single CPU isn't going to change us at all |
| 00:08.38 | JefferyM | we are single threaded ;) |
| 00:09.04 | spldart | 10% with tight memory settings as appossed to stock clock and less tight memoryt |
| 00:09.05 | me1 | I can say that I get 30-(sometimes) 50 with powersaver off on my 6200 :\ |
| 00:09.07 | spldart | didn't seem to help |
| 00:09.18 | JefferyM | from what speed to what speed? |
| 00:09.21 | spldart | forgot about the lack of smp support |
| 00:09.47 | spldart | Oh.. Single at 1.9ghz.. dual at 2.3 ghz all k7 barton |
| 00:10.00 | JefferyM | I doubht that changed the AGP bus much |
| 00:10.07 | JefferyM | not enough to change performce |
| 00:10.13 | JefferyM | it's probalby still waiting on the ram |
| 00:10.13 | spldart | ic |
| 00:10.23 | JefferyM | you just can't feed that card fast enough |
| 00:10.32 | JefferyM | PCI-E FTW |
| 00:10.43 | spldart | That's why the memory timings... even remember it still.... 16 16 6 3 3 2 3 |
| 00:10.47 | JefferyM | you run DDR or SDR? |
| 00:10.50 | spldart | latency 2.5 > 2.0 |
| 00:10.54 | spldart | DDR |
| 00:11.16 | JefferyM | the k7 doesn't do full dual Channel IIRC |
| 00:11.29 | spldart | board takes 2100... I put in 2700 then later 3300 and really tightened the timings.. |
| 00:11.30 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:11.45 | JefferyM | timings just help with sync to bus clocks |
| 00:11.46 | spldart | Not sure about the 762/768 chipset |
| 00:11.56 | JefferyM | you really need to get to a newer arch |
| 00:12.04 | JefferyM | DDR2 and full dual channel support |
| 00:12.06 | spldart | I will be soon |
| 00:12.08 | JefferyM | then you can feed a good card |
| 00:12.22 | spldart | Well... newer but still off bleeding edge |
| 00:12.33 | spldart | eyeing some quad core processors |
| 00:12.39 | JefferyM | q6600's are under 200$ |
| 00:12.42 | spldart | 2+ gig range |
| 00:13.26 | spldart | I'm so behind... Not a single pci express in the house... fastest slot here is a pci 66/64 |
| 00:14.21 | spldart | Those mods and tweaks I mentioned did increase work speed in encoding/ editing and benchmarks.. markedly |
| 00:14.37 | JefferyM | sure cus that mostly stays on the CPU |
| 00:15.31 | spldart | Well.. This tax return has a new compy on the tab for ME. Wife got her's. I'm do. |
| 00:15.41 | JefferyM | due |
| 00:15.46 | spldart | even |
| 00:15.47 | spldart | heh |
| 00:23.22 | Think_Differentl | newegg was selling some 6600GTs for only $20 |
| 00:23.31 | Think_Differentl | those should handle lua fairly well |
| 00:24.15 | JefferyM | they have some shaders sure, but I would not use the term "fairly well" |
| 00:24.15 | spldart | heh |
| 00:24.17 | Think_Differentl | well, for $20 |
| 00:24.25 | JefferyM | better to spend 50 |
| 00:24.33 | spldart | I forgot about how terribly my current rig does with lua |
| 00:24.37 | JefferyM | it's not lua |
| 00:24.41 | trepan | with relief shaders |
| 00:24.42 | JefferyM | it's what you CAN do with lua |
| 00:25.19 | JefferyM | 45$ gets you a 9400 |
| 00:25.26 | spldart | Hrm.. budget.. I'm thinking 80 for card, 135 for mobo, 150 for cpu, 60 for power supply. hrm |
| 00:25.45 | JefferyM | spldart, spend 200 on the CPU |
| 00:25.50 | spldart | really? |
| 00:25.52 | spldart | that much? |
| 00:25.53 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:26.01 | JefferyM | you'll get the mobo for under 100 |
| 00:26.07 | JefferyM | what CPU were you going to get? |
| 00:26.09 | JefferyM | a phenom? |
| 00:26.15 | spldart | undecided |
| 00:26.22 | JefferyM | don't bother with AMD |
| 00:26.28 | spldart | I'd like more than 2 cores |
| 00:26.32 | spldart | realy? |
| 00:26.39 | JefferyM | then you'll spend 200 on a q6600 |
| 00:26.41 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:26.50 | JefferyM | for your price range they are crap |
| 00:27.27 | spldart | Wow... memory is still very cheap |
| 00:27.32 | JefferyM | yes |
| 00:28.09 | spldart | Does xp play nice multi core? cuz I'm still not willing to go vista.. although I'll spend most of my time in linux |
| 00:28.16 | JefferyM | sure |
| 00:28.27 | JefferyM | XP can run as many cores as you have |
| 00:28.31 | JefferyM | but up to 2 CPUs |
| 00:28.36 | JefferyM | CPU != core |
| 00:28.39 | spldart | xp pro corporate |
| 00:28.48 | JefferyM | ANY xp |
| 00:28.59 | spldart | sweet |
| 00:29.01 | JefferyM | windows 2000 it is not |
| 00:29.20 | spldart | windows 2000 it is just very similar to. |
| 00:29.27 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:29.39 | JefferyM | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128347 |
| 00:29.40 | spldart | still got a copy of that laying around here heh |
| 00:30.03 | JefferyM | and a q6600 and 4 gigs of DDR2 1066 and you'll be fine |
| 00:30.29 | spldart | gigabyte has treated me ok |
| 00:30.44 | JefferyM | they are pretty much intel refrence boards these days |
| 00:30.49 | JefferyM | they are fairly solid |
| 00:30.57 | JefferyM | specialy for the price |
| 00:31.13 | Think_Differentl | likes his asus board |
| 00:31.32 | spldart | I'm an msi fan myself |
| 00:32.02 | spldart | but I gotta supress my 'rage against the machine mentality to go pentium. It's also why I'm resisting vista hehe |
| 00:32.22 | JefferyM | they arn't pentiums anymore |
| 00:32.25 | Think_Differentl | vista isn't too bad |
| 00:32.25 | JefferyM | that line is dead |
| 00:32.49 | Think_Differentl | except for the low end Core 2s that are marketed as pentium dual cores |
| 00:32.50 | spldart | s/pentium/intel |
| 00:32.54 | JefferyM | get an OEM CPU, and slap this thing on it, and then OC the crap outa it, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200024 |
| 00:33.08 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl, those are pentiums ;) |
| 00:33.29 | spldart | Hehe.. I still have all my watercooling stuff laying around |
| 00:33.36 | Think_Differentl | anyways, I'd go AMD for a really low budget machine. |
| 00:33.42 | spldart | That can buy you some overclocking and then some |
| 00:33.50 | JefferyM | you don't need to Water cool it |
| 00:33.59 | JefferyM | your ram will crap out before that does |
| 00:34.01 | spldart | Esp active watercooling... water temp at around 15 F |
| 00:34.06 | spldart | ah |
| 00:34.16 | JefferyM | I"m getting 2.75 gig out of that crap cooler |
| 00:34.26 | JefferyM | it's the ram that won't go anymore |
| 00:34.27 | spldart | all bus oc? |
| 00:34.39 | JefferyM | some of each |
| 00:34.45 | spldart | I suppose multiplier is hopelessly locke... |
| 00:34.48 | JefferyM | nope |
| 00:34.50 | spldart | you got some multiplier? |
| 00:34.54 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:35.03 | spldart | I thougt that was locked |
| 00:35.06 | spldart | hard |
| 00:35.18 | JefferyM | it was when you last bought hardware ;) |
| 00:35.23 | JefferyM | things change |
| 00:35.35 | spldart | Some things change |
| 00:35.42 | JefferyM | I Have 2 sets of this ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298 |
| 00:35.45 | JefferyM | and it's about capped |
| 00:35.51 | spldart | Apparently I don't :( |
| 00:36.26 | Think_Differentl | you can OC q6600s by raising the multiplier? |
| 00:36.27 | brlcad | TD-Linux: edit the src/bzflag/.deps/XfireGameClient.po .. change the .cpp to .cxx |
| 00:36.31 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:36.39 | JefferyM | at least that's what the guy that did mine did |
| 00:36.49 | JefferyM | I'm at 2.7soomething |
| 00:36.57 | Think_Differentl | hm, my E6600 won't do that. I can push it to 400*9 though |
| 00:36.59 | JefferyM | and it caps out at like 55deg at load |
| 00:37.17 | JefferyM | so it's not temp |
| 00:37.29 | spldart | for me that's warm.. but obviously fine for most |
| 00:37.38 | JefferyM | the CPU redlines at 100 |
| 00:37.45 | spldart | Geez |
| 00:37.49 | Think_Differentl | I wouldn't run it above 75 though |
| 00:37.54 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:37.58 | JefferyM | 55 is fine for it |
| 00:38.01 | spldart | i consider 35 c warm and don't like goin past it |
| 00:38.02 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:38.15 | Think_Differentl | spldart, then get a low power AMD :P |
| 00:38.16 | JefferyM | you'll idle hotter then that |
| 00:38.27 | JefferyM | yeah and watch it suck at performance ;) |
| 00:38.32 | spldart | That's what I have now.. kinda. |
| 00:38.35 | Think_Differentl | for everyday use, it's fine. |
| 00:38.37 | spldart | dual k7 barton mobiles |
| 00:38.38 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:38.43 | JefferyM | you can go cheaper with AMD for sure |
| 00:38.50 | JefferyM | but he's doing lots of video |
| 00:38.52 | spldart | amd sux now though? |
| 00:38.53 | JefferyM | and that's not everyda use |
| 00:38.56 | Think_Differentl | I bought a 4850e 45w, clocks down to 1GHz idle most of the time |
| 00:39.01 | spldart | video encoding |
| 00:39.17 | JefferyM | the current top end phenoms are now just cutting even with the top end core2s |
| 00:39.23 | JefferyM | but the I7's still beat them |
| 00:39.27 | Think_Differentl | yeah, you should get a c2q |
| 00:39.41 | JefferyM | bang for buck the q6600 still holds it |
| 00:39.50 | Think_Differentl | although, I'd like to see what happens with GPGPU |
| 00:39.57 | JefferyM | if you want to spend a little more you can get like a q9650 and get a faster FSB |
| 00:40.20 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl, it'll be a lot faster at a few specific things and sucky for many others |
| 00:40.28 | Think_Differentl | yeah |
| 00:40.58 | Think_Differentl | at least AMD has a winner in the GPU division |
| 00:41.04 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:41.15 | JefferyM | the 48xx line is the best bang for buck for sure now |
| 00:41.38 | JefferyM | you can get 4850's under 200 |
| 00:41.45 | JefferyM | they are a good card |
| 00:41.46 | Think_Differentl | I should get one, but photographic equiptment is eating up my money. |
| 00:41.56 | Think_Differentl | the 8600 will do for now :) |
| 00:42.09 | JefferyM | that's what's in my laptop and it works fine |
| 00:42.14 | JefferyM | that and a 2.4 gig core2 |
| 00:42.42 | spldart | hrm... options options... well... need to wait just a bit longer |
| 00:42.46 | Think_Differentl | right now I need a new HDD. I've only got 7GB left :E |
| 00:43.02 | JefferyM | yeah you'll probably want to replace your drives too spldart |
| 00:43.13 | JefferyM | new mobos will have 1 to 0 IDE ports |
| 00:43.18 | JefferyM | it's all SATA |
| 00:43.30 | Think_Differentl | no more messy big ribbon cables! |
| 00:43.46 | JefferyM | case is so much cleaner now that I have a sata optical |
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| 00:44.16 | Think_Differentl | i've still got a IDE CD/DVD, but i recently did a build that was all SATA and it was very clean |
| 00:44.45 | JefferyM | my dvd took a poop, and I picked up a dual layer burner that also reads HD DVD and blueray |
| 00:44.54 | JefferyM | 95$ |
| 00:45.08 | Think_Differentl | heh, cheap now |
| 00:45.17 | Think_Differentl | although they'll eventually get cheaper |
| 00:45.20 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:45.24 | JefferyM | it's lightscribe too |
| 00:45.33 | Think_Differentl | nice |
| 00:45.33 | JefferyM | and I needed the drive so I figured what the hell |
| 00:45.53 | Think_Differentl | does it burn blu-ray? |
| 00:46.09 | JefferyM | no |
| 00:46.12 | JefferyM | just dvds |
| 00:46.20 | JefferyM | I have no need to burn that much data |
| 00:46.33 | Think_Differentl | those are still expensive |
| 00:46.39 | JefferyM | ya |
| 00:46.45 | Think_Differentl | i think i'll wait for blu-ray 16x or 12x if it ever comes |
| 00:47.09 | JefferyM | next is a new TV to watch stuff on |
| 00:47.14 | Think_Differentl | right now I'm low on film |
| 00:47.39 | Think_Differentl | i've heard vizios are good sets |
| 00:52.35 | spldart | back |
| 00:52.37 | spldart | well |
| 00:52.43 | spldart | I have 3 sata's so far |
| 00:52.47 | JefferyM | good |
| 00:52.54 | spldart | using pci cards to adapt |
| 00:53.00 | JefferyM | the new 3 gig sata's help a lot |
| 00:53.23 | spldart | tranfer rate? |
| 00:53.26 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:53.27 | spldart | I think there are slower |
| 00:53.38 | spldart | I got 2 250gig and a 400 gig |
| 00:53.39 | spldart | iirc |
| 00:53.39 | JefferyM | I consolodated all mine down to a new 750 and it's a lot better |
| 00:54.25 | TD-Linux | brlcad, thanks for the tip |
| 00:54.31 | spldart | maybe I'll just add all those to my fileserver and get a new one |
| 00:54.49 | TD-Linux | any good prebuilt fileservers out there? |
| 00:55.23 | spldart | I just setup debian myself... |
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| 01:18.16 | spldart | oh no! I was just looking at that hsf's pics.. I HATE thermalpipe technology... ever since panasonic pioneered it many years ago. I'd rather have a giant slab of copper on top of the cpu and fins goin everywhere... hehe |
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| 01:19.32 | delusional | I've gotta say that the switch from fios to comcast internet service has been one of the biggest fiascos I've ever been involved with. |
| 01:19.56 | temp_dist | you got rid of your fios? |
| 01:20.49 | spldart | comcast is on my 'list' for dispecable practices |
| 01:24.37 | L4m3r | why on earth would you switch from FIOS to comcast? |
| 01:25.06 | L4m3r | that's like trading a Porsche for a Ford Escort |
| 01:26.40 | delusional | It wasnt my choice, and thats all i have to say. |
| 01:26.58 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 01:27.09 | delusional | talking about it more will only make me angry |
| 01:29.25 | delusional | my old email address has been disabled. |
| 01:32.38 | JefferyM | envies Erroneous' 18 megs down :( |
| 01:33.52 | Think_Differentl | I just wish verizon would hurry up and install in my section of DC...we have fiber in the ground already. |
| 01:45.47 | spldart | I don't think I'll ever use cable again... Even if I have to resort to dsl |
| 01:46.46 | blast007 | I've had pretty good luck with my cable internet |
| 01:46.58 | blast007 | though I think my modem is dying.. |
| 01:47.12 | spldart | I'll be quitting comcast in a few months. |
| 01:48.14 | spldart | stupid contacts |
| 01:48.20 | spldart | contracts even |
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| 02:24.22 | temp_dist | in MeshObstacle.cxx at line 803 - what does this code do? |
| 02:24.36 | temp_dist | "free the bogus texcoords" ?? |
| 02:26.10 | Happy_Alice | good question. I want to know too. Because the client is still working when it is commented |
| 02:29.31 | blast007 | in trunk code? |
| 02:29.38 | Happy_Alice | 2.X |
| 02:29.40 | temp_dist | oui |
| 02:29.50 | Happy_Alice | oh..trunk too then ? |
| 02:29.56 | blast007 | 2.x being 2.0.x, or 2.99.x? ;) |
| 02:29.56 | temp_dist | si |
| 02:30.02 | temp_dist | trunk |
| 02:30.05 | blast007 | k |
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| 02:31.02 | TJ13820 | Is there anyway i could make a "Full Screen Radar" |
| 02:31.03 | trepan | look up in the code about 19 lines |
| 02:31.30 | temp_dist | trepan: // unpack hidden drawInfo data as from extra texture coordinates ? |
| 02:33.14 | TJ13820 | Rephrase: is there anyway i could edit the source to allow a full screen radar or seperate resizable radar/messages (to make radar full size and text null) |
| 02:33.31 | blast007 | TJ13820: sure |
| 02:33.46 | blast007 | why couldn't you? ;) |
| 02:33.58 | Happy_Alice | it is easy....focus on the temp question :-) |
| 02:33.58 | TJ13820 | hehe. can't think of anything atm. |
| 02:34.33 | blast007 | actually, I think there's already a patch on the SF.net tracker for separated size controls for radar and text |
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| 02:35.06 | TJ13820 | blast007: where would i find that? |
| 02:35.15 | blast007 | on the SF.net tracker for bzflag |
| 02:35.26 | TJ13820 | :x |
| 02:35.32 | blast007 | there's probably a link to it on our homepage... |
| 02:35.49 | Happy_Alice | TJ: SF = SourceForge |
| 02:36.03 | me1 | oh cool, i didn't know sf.net leads to sourceforge :D |
| 02:36.07 | blast007 | sf.net is their domain as well |
| 02:36.08 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:36.14 | Happy_Alice | now u know me1 |
| 02:36.18 | Happy_Alice | say thank u |
| 02:36.21 | blast007 | and knowing is half the battle |
| 02:36.26 | TJ13820 | i found it :P |
| 02:36.31 | blast007 | ;) k |
| 02:36.33 | TJ13820 | it's -25 and i'm tired :P |
| 02:36.34 | JeffM | the other half is VIOLENCE! |
| 02:36.38 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:36.47 | TJ13820 | the other half is... THE SCHWARTZ!! |
| 02:37.02 | blast007 | we're at three halves now |
| 02:37.24 | me1 | my name is 2/3 letters, 1/3 numbers, and 1 letter too short for jeffy here |
| 02:37.39 | Happy_Alice | Trepan: i do not understand ur answer to temp |
| 02:37.56 | temp_dist | line 784 - Mesh Obstacle.cxx - what does this section do? |
| 02:38.31 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.34 | Happy_Alice | could it be commented? |
| 02:38.40 | trepan | it is commented |
| 02:38.54 | TJ13820 | how do i add a .patch? *headesk* |
| 02:39.01 | blast007 | TJ13820: with the patch command |
| 02:39.09 | blast007 | look on google |
| 02:39.14 | TJ13820 | for msvc? |
| 02:39.16 | blast007 | there should be lots of examples |
| 02:39.20 | JeffM | tort svn does it |
| 02:39.24 | JeffM | just right click it |
| 02:39.28 | Happy_Alice | i think he is asking for the / /free the bogus texcoords |
| 02:39.48 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.58 | trepan | a hint: extra = bogus in this case ;-) |
| 02:40.14 | temp_dist | I guess you need to have written it to understand it |
| 02:41.11 | blast007 | is there a specific reason you're wanting to know? |
| 02:41.24 | blast007 | is there a bug? are you trying to improve/change it? |
| 02:41.39 | temp_dist | sure, will that reason change the answer? |
| 02:42.09 | Happy_Alice | trepan..i have commented //bogus blah blah and the //remap blah blah. The code is still working |
| 02:42.45 | trepan | char* blob = new char[123456789]; ... do stuff ...; // COMMENTED delete[] blob; |
| 02:42.52 | trepan | guess what ... still works |
| 02:43.08 | trepan | but it's wasteful |
| 02:43.12 | trepan | the comment says: // free the bogus texcoords |
| 02:43.21 | Happy_Alice | no no |
| 02:43.24 | Happy_Alice | not that |
| 02:43.32 | trepan | then what? |
| 02:43.48 | Happy_Alice | may i paste the code somewhere? |
| 02:43.54 | trepan | ~pastebin |
| 02:43.55 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 02:43.55 | blast007 | ~bzpastebin |
| 02:43.56 | ibot | rumour has it, bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel |
| 02:44.07 | Happy_Alice | what that? ok.... |
| 02:44.17 | blast007 | pick a pastebin, any pastebin! ;) |
| 02:45.19 | Happy_Alice | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7712422f |
| 02:45.42 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19214 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshObstacle.cxx: * comment phrasing |
| 02:46.04 | trepan | Happy_Alice: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:46.14 | Happy_Alice | understand |
| 02:46.34 | trepan | randomly commenting code and performing what is probably incomplete testing to see whether or not it works seems odd to me |
| 02:46.46 | Happy_Alice | not ramdomly |
| 02:47.29 | Happy_Alice | i read it first (thank u for the idiot) and because it makes no sens for me, i have tested it with the comments |
| 02:48.07 | JeffM | please use real words |
| 02:48.47 | Happy_Alice | sorry...i am waiting for my 3rd lesson of english |
| 02:48.55 | Happy_Alice | very soon |
| 02:49.13 | JeffM | I am still sure that you know that "u" is not a word ;) |
| 02:49.30 | Happy_Alice | sorry |
| 02:49.36 | Happy_Alice | i wont do it again |
| 02:50.24 | trepan | you english is pretty good, i know those born into english that have worst spelling/grammar than you ;) |
| 02:50.45 | trepan | *your ... see? :) |
| 02:50.47 | Happy_Alice | thx i like ur comment (<--- for JeffM) |
| 02:51.32 | trepan | don't poke the gorilla |
| 02:51.43 | Happy_Alice | but more seriously... i just want to understand this part of code i have commented |
| 02:51.51 | trepan | than read it |
| 02:52.00 | Happy_Alice | and the next step ? |
| 02:52.04 | trepan | if there's a variable you don't know, go find it |
| 02:52.12 | JeffM | step thru it with a debuger |
| 02:52.16 | JeffM | that's what they are there for |
| 02:52.55 | Happy_Alice | well....as i said. These lines seems unuseful. My question is : are they useful ? |
| 02:53.19 | Happy_Alice | seem* |
| 02:53.25 | trepan | yes, they are |
| 02:53.54 | trepan | maybe this will help ... |
| 02:54.33 | trepan | drawInfo's were "hacked" into a gap in the MeshObstacle data, without having to change the protocol version |
| 02:55.28 | trepan | fake/extra/bogus texcoords are added to house the drawInfo data |
| 02:55.39 | trepan | s/house/store |
| 02:56.31 | trepan | a similar trick was done for group instance material maps and group name strings; that one has been fixed |
| 02:57.31 | trepan | i'd forgotten about the drawInfo one, but i'd be more likely to remove drawInfos then i would be to "fix" the pack/unpack algo |
| 02:58.09 | temp_dist | drawInfos are used to manipulate objects? |
| 02:58.26 | temp_dist | change the characteristics? |
| 02:58.52 | JeffM | no, it defines the info to draw it |
| 02:58.56 | JeffM | LOD, etc.. |
| 02:59.16 | temp_dist | ok |
| 03:00.43 | Happy_Alice | thank you for the answer |
| 03:02.08 | Think_Differentl | what is needed to build on windows? visual studio 2k8? |
| 03:02.14 | Think_Differentl | (trunk, that is) |
| 03:02.21 | JeffM | sure |
| 03:02.27 | JeffM | and direct x |
| 03:02.33 | JeffM | the readme is there for a reason |
| 03:02.42 | Think_Differentl | haven't gotten the code yet |
| 03:03.22 | Think_Differentl | thanks |
| 03:03.33 | JeffM | wonders why he writes docs in the first place |
| 03:03.44 | temp_dist | to practice your spelling |
| 03:03.53 | Happy_Alice | and grammar |
| 03:03.55 | JeffM | no, I write short stories to do that |
| 03:04.08 | Happy_Alice | oh i have seen your blog |
| 03:04.09 | Think_Differentl | for the people that aren't lazy |
| 03:04.17 | Think_Differentl | who actually read the docs |
| 03:04.31 | JeffM | those don't exist |
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| 03:14.11 | spldart | blessed silence |
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| 03:26.50 | TJ13820 | * JeffM wonders why he writes docs in the first place - so you can remember what you want to say, when people do infact ask you the questions pertaining to those docs. :) |
| 03:28.40 | JeffM | and I bother to do that WHY? |
| 03:32.28 | TJ13820 | for the betterment of mankind? |
| 03:32.41 | TJ13820 | the advancement of human intelligence |
| 03:32.47 | JeffM | no |
| 03:32.47 | TJ13820 | (or lack there of) |
| 03:32.56 | TJ13820 | hehe |
| 03:33.08 | TJ13820 | You disagree with part, or whole? |
| 03:33.16 | Think_Differentl | to have an excuse for 3.0 taking so long? |
| 03:33.17 | TJ13820 | ;) |
| 03:33.27 | Think_Differentl | just kidding! |
| 03:33.34 | TJ13820 | *ooooooooooooooooh* |
| 03:33.43 | TJ13820 | *snaps fingers* it is ON! |
| 03:33.44 | TJ13820 | hehe |
| 03:37.57 | TJ13820 | tort svn is giving me errors... |
| 03:37.58 | TD-Linux | you'd be suprised how many people read docs |
| 03:38.18 | TJ13820 | can't find /bzflag-2.0.10/src/bzflag/.svn/entries |
| 03:38.36 | TJ13820 | "/bzflag-2.0.10/bzflag isn't a working directory |
| 03:38.42 | TJ13820 | *on windows |
| 03:49.03 | TD-Linux | umm |
| 03:49.11 | TD-Linux | I don't think your directory is from SVN |
| 03:49.17 | TD-Linux | you have to do a clean checkout from SVN |
| 03:49.26 | TD-Linux | you can't use a tarball |
| 03:49.31 | TJ13820 | ah |
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| 04:15.21 | jorgenpt | Fail ;D |
| 04:15.24 | jorgenpt | Eh, wrong window. |
| 04:18.21 | TJ13820 | what version of bzflag was out on the 3rd of december 2006 or 03/12/2006? |
| 04:18.25 | TJ13820 | *the patch is old :( |
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| 04:19.27 | TJ13820 | woah |
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| 04:19.31 | TJ13820 | wb |
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| 04:24.28 | blast007 | TJ13820: look at the SF.net bzflag downloads page if you want to know what version was out at that time |
| 04:24.33 | TJ13820 | i did. should be 2.0.6 |
| 04:24.49 | TJ13820 | but i think it requires a specific revision |
| 04:24.54 | TJ13820 | mismatched lines |
| 04:25.40 | blast007 | what requires a specific revision? |
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| 04:25.52 | blast007 | oh, the patch? |
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| 04:26.19 | blast007 | manually merge it in |
| 04:26.19 | TJ13820 | I am assuming this patch for radar/panel size |
| 04:26.20 | TJ13820 | yes |
| 04:26.26 | TJ13820 | But i do not know what revision |
| 04:27.06 | TJ13820 | i can't see the code. it gives me errors and then stop merging |
| 04:27.24 | TJ13820 | stops* |
| 04:28.12 | TJ13820 | Controlpanel.cxx GUIOptionsmenu.cxx and bzflag.cxx all rail |
| 04:28.13 | TJ13820 | fail* |
| 04:28.37 | blast007 | merge it manually |
| 04:28.51 | TJ13820 | okay. How do i get the code? |
| 04:28.58 | blast007 | open the patch in notepad... |
| 04:29.01 | blast007 | it's just text |
| 04:29.03 | TJ13820 | k |
| 04:29.16 | blast007 | then you'll have to manually search for where to make the changes |
| 04:31.35 | TJ13820 | also, looking at the code, there is no BZDB string to save the setting. |
| 04:31.41 | TJ13820 | I may create one ;) |
| 04:54.49 | TJ13820 | wow is it nice ;) |
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| 07:35.28 | I_Died_Once | for /ban during play....? |
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| 12:47.38 | trepan | does bzflag run on any PDP endian machines? (3412) |
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| 13:27.04 | brlcad | probably not with the opengl requirement, but otherwise there's nothing that prevents it that I can think of |
| 13:27.30 | brlcad | the net serialization in bz supports it so theoretically you could put a bzfs on a pdp |
| 13:27.41 | brlcad | running via simh perhaps |
| 13:28.33 | trepan | i've provided swapBy2, swapBy4, and GetEndian() -> "little" | "big" | "pdp" | "unknown" |
| 13:29.12 | brlcad | there's that same code in src/net/htond.c |
| 13:29.30 | brlcad | it wasn't pushed up into a public interface only because nothing else needed it at the time |
| 13:29.46 | brlcad | bz_byteorder() |
| 13:30.05 | trepan | not quite, and poor little lua doesn't understand doubles |
| 13:30.25 | trepan | (not since i wiped them from its memory) |
| 13:30.26 | brlcad | the logic for htonf is almost identical |
| 13:31.05 | brlcad | mathes up with the hton[ils] routines in behavior |
| 13:33.14 | trepan | good to know there's a nboPackDouble() though, thanks |
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| 13:55.08 | brlcad | trepan: if you need htonf, lemme know and I can add what I have |
| 13:55.30 | trepan | brlcad: thanks, but i'm going to leave some of it in lua land |
| 13:55.36 | brlcad | k |
| 13:55.38 | trepan | just going to provide the swap primitives |
| 13:55.52 | trepan | don't really need to do that either, could be done in lua |
| 13:56.06 | trepan | but for large meshes and such, probably worth have the C side routines |
| 13:56.14 | brlcad | nods |
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| 20:46.04 | JefferyM | ibot, nslookup awesomelaser.com |
| 20:46.09 | JefferyM | whoot |
| 20:47.07 | Erroneous | hah |
| 20:55.31 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:55.58 | JefferyM | cus awesome.me was taken |
| 20:58.58 | JefferyM | gonna have to come up with a cool logo |
| 21:03.19 | JefferyM | anyone wanna make me a logo? |
| 21:12.32 | JefferyM | guess this will do for now, http://www.awesomelaser.com/ |
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| 23:10.23 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19215 10/trunk/bzflag/ (41 files in 6 dirs): |
| 23:10.23 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * merged the lua plugin into the bzfs executable |
| 23:10.23 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: (although it still uses the bzfsAPI for all of its events) |
| 23:10.23 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * added the '/luabzfs < status | disable | reload >' server-side command |
| 23:15.02 | trepan | should test that with plugins disabled ... |
| 23:19.36 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19216 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/LuaHeader.h: Add the Subversion eol-style=native propery. |
| 23:19.39 | BulletCatcher | Missed just one. |
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| 23:20.49 | trepan | i guess ~/.subversion/config ain't all that ;-) |
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| 23:29.01 | delusional | Making all in lua command /bin/sh failed |
| 23:29.31 | JefferyM | GAHH |
| 23:29.42 | trepan | delusional: ./configure'd ? |
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| 23:30.08 | delusional | I used the xcodeproj maybe i'll re-configure |
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| 23:54.18 | spldart | 'Lua lua, oh no, |
| 23:54.19 | spldart | Me gotta play now, |
| 23:54.19 | spldart | Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said |
| 23:54.19 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.19 | spldart | Me gotta play now' [/singsong] |
