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| 00:13.38 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19269 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:13.38 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the luaBZFS permission |
| 00:13.39 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * resolved the BZFS.cxx FIXMEs |
| 00:13.39 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * resolved the FetchURL.cxx FIXMEs |
| 00:36.44 | delusional_ | has an empty reason string. |
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| 01:18.02 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19270 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/ (CallIns.cxx README.txt): * setup some of the call-in loop types |
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| 02:02.44 | Yassen | may I ask why sound volume is unavailable? |
| 02:11.02 | JefferyM | does it play sound? |
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| 02:26.23 | Yassen | It doesn't seem tp |
| 02:26.25 | Yassen | to |
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| 02:40.53 | Yassen | I think it might be that I have no audio driver |
| 02:41.07 | Yassen | and because of that, it says that the volume is unavailable |
| 02:43.18 | Yassen | Okay, I think that was the problem |
| 02:43.28 | Yassen | I made a modification and now the sound works |
| 02:47.30 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19271 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BzVFS.cxx: * silly trepan, use fread(), not fgets() |
| 02:49.40 | Yassen | In "AudioMenu.cxx" on line 53 (if (SOUNDSYSTEM.active()){ ) I *think* prevents people who don't have audio drivers from having soun |
| 02:50.25 | Yassen | This means that people who have sound, but dont have a sound driver can't turn sound on |
| 02:51.14 | Yassen | By commenting out line 53,56,57,58 a person who doesn't have a sound driver can change volume. |
| 02:52.40 | blast007 | why would someone without a sound driver want to change the volume though? :P |
| 02:53.01 | JefferyM | how can you have sound with no driver? |
| 02:53.07 | JefferyM | that's the point of what it does |
| 02:53.16 | JefferyM | if we don't detect sound, then you should not get a volume |
| 02:53.31 | JefferyM | the problem is, why are we not detecting your sound |
| 02:53.40 | JefferyM | basicly why is direct sound failing for you? |
| 02:53.41 | Yassen | I don't know... |
| 02:53.55 | JefferyM | why is active() false? |
| 02:53.57 | Yassen | On the start screen, it says I have no sound driver |
| 02:54.07 | JefferyM | yeah, windows dosn't have one |
| 02:54.10 | JefferyM | cus it's all dsound |
| 02:54.12 | Yassen | "Audio driver: " |
| 02:54.16 | JefferyM | the driver is for linux |
| 02:54.23 | JefferyM | that's what it's suposed to say |
| 02:54.26 | JefferyM | but active should return true |
| 02:54.36 | Yassen | so you have to test for win32 before doing the .active() |
| 02:54.48 | JefferyM | no |
| 02:54.48 | blast007 | no |
| 02:54.58 | JefferyM | the sound system is abstracted |
| 02:55.10 | JefferyM | it will use the windows platform system inside of active |
| 02:55.45 | JefferyM | use the debuger, set a breaktpoint and step into Active |
| 02:55.47 | JefferyM | see what it does |
| 02:56.18 | blast007 | Yassen: do you get sound with 2.0.10? |
| 02:56.23 | Yassen | yes |
| 02:56.37 | blast007 | what about the latest 2.99.x installer from beta.bzflag.bz ? |
| 02:56.47 | JefferyM | it's probably having to do with the dx8 upgrade |
| 02:56.52 | JefferyM | may have to to change the API |
| 02:57.08 | blast007 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.99.x/bzflag-2.99.15.20090122.exe |
| 02:57.18 | blast007 | yeah, that's possible |
| 02:57.27 | JefferyM | I may look at it later |
| 03:00.05 | Yassen | Nope, sound switched off. |
| 03:10.02 | blast007 | Yassen: okay, probably the DX API version change like jeff mentioned |
| 03:27.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19272 10/trunk/bzflag/ (24 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:27.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * made it possible to type local /slash commands when not connected to a server |
| 03:27.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the CommandFallback() call-in (might be replaced later) |
| 03:27.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the gl.PushPopAttrib() call-out -- for convenience |
| 03:27.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the gl.PushPopName() callout -- for convenience |
| 03:27.08 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the bz.ReadImage() call-out |
| 03:27.10 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added the bz.GetKeyToCmds() call-out |
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| 03:38.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19273 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/PlatformSound.cxx: set the sound system active flag a little sooner, since some of the stuff at the end of the startup will check to see that startup didn't fail. |
| 03:50.27 | Yassen | oh noes, having problems with the CommandFallback() |
| 03:50.44 | Yassen | "LocalCommand.cxx(34) : error C2039: 'CommandFallback' : is not a member of 'EventHandler'" |
| 03:51.26 | trepan | did you update the entire tree? |
| 03:51.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19274 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/lua/ (66 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:51.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * renamed the lua source .c files to .cxx for g++ compilation |
| 03:51.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: (this also means that lua will use exceptions instead of |
| 03:51.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: longjmp()'s for its errors, so the stack will be unwound) |
| 03:53.29 | trepan | no more 'extern "C" { }' junk too :) |
| 03:54.20 | Yassen | uh oh |
| 03:54.34 | Yassen | will this mean that the VC++ files need to be modified again ? |
| 03:54.39 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 03:54.40 | trepan | yup |
| 03:55.18 | JeffM2501 | done |
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| 03:56.10 | Yassen | yeah, that CommandFallback thing isn't working... |
| 03:56.19 | trepan | svn up include/EventHandler.h |
| 03:56.28 | trepan | or whatever your equivalent is |
| 03:57.41 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19275 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/lua.vcproj: c -> cxx for lua |
| 03:58.04 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19276 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzfs/lua/LuaHeader.h lua/LuaExtras.cxx lua/LuaInclude.h): * lose the 'extern "C" {}'s |
| 03:58.56 | trepan | JeffM2501: thanks |
| 03:59.03 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:59.13 | JeffM2501 | ctrl + shift + h FTW ;) |
| 03:59.29 | trepan | heh |
| 03:59.41 | JeffM2501 | it is just a text file |
| 04:00.00 | trepan | you do seem to be fond of that change ;-) |
| 04:00.12 | JeffM2501 | I prefer cpp to cxx |
| 04:00.20 | JeffM2501 | but keeping them all the same makes a couple things easier |
| 04:00.39 | JeffM2501 | vc dosn't like sharing thigns like globals between c and c++ files |
| 04:00.47 | JeffM2501 | they use different name munchers or whatever |
| 04:01.04 | trepan | symbol mangling? |
| 04:01.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah that I think |
| 04:01.13 | JeffM2501 | somone told me why once |
| 04:01.23 | JeffM2501 | it had to do with legacy compatability with the old c compiler |
| 04:01.39 | JeffM2501 | so all C files get done using that setting and it's not compaabile in all ways with the C++ one |
| 04:01.40 | trepan | ClassA.doStuff() ClassB.doStuff() |
| 04:01.51 | JeffM2501 | functions and stuff work, but variables shared between files don't or something |
| 04:02.26 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. link errors in clientLua.. wierd |
| 04:02.38 | Yassen | "EventHandler.cxx(342) : error C2039: 'CommandFallback' : is not a member of 'EventClient'" |
| 04:02.42 | trepan | you might have to clean out your old object files |
| 04:02.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 04:02.51 | trepan | i had to ... |
| 04:02.51 | JeffM2501 | Yassen: we saw it the first time |
| 04:02.53 | JeffM2501 | deal with it |
| 04:02.56 | trepan | it's the 'externs' |
| 04:03.00 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 04:03.15 | trepan | extern "C" {} removes the c++ mangling |
| 04:03.45 | JeffM2501 | Yassen: we can't always drop evertytyhing to work on your stuff |
| 04:04.44 | Yassen | oops, my bad, didn't see that EventClient was modified too |
| 04:04.45 | JeffM2501 | as treapan asked, did you update ALL Your code? or just one folder? or are you going to just paste the error again and say something silly like "oh noes"? |
| 04:04.57 | JeffM2501 | when you update, update it ALL |
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| 04:20.15 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19277 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/ (WinMedia.cxx WinMedia.h): return a fake audio driver name for windows, just to be like the other OSs and some docs and stuff will match (has no effect on the sound system at all) |
| 04:20.36 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19278 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: only display the audio driver name if the audio driver name exists. |
| 04:23.39 | JeffM2501 | wonders why Yassen's audio system won't start now |
| 04:35.50 | Yassen | yay, it works! Audio Driver: Direct Sound |
| 04:35.56 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:36.03 | JeffM2501 | umm that's like a hardcoded string |
| 04:36.19 | JeffM2501 | did it change your volume controll? |
| 04:36.59 | JeffM2501 | cus if anything did it was the previous change. |
| 04:37.42 | JeffM2501 | the unavailable item is only when SOUNDSYSTEM.active() returns false |
| 04:37.50 | JeffM2501 | and on windows that has no bearing on the driver |
| 04:37.57 | JeffM2501 | cus there is only ever one driver |
| 04:38.00 | JeffM2501 | "windows" |
| 04:50.46 | blast007 | JeffM2501: hmm, I get "Sound Volume: Unavailable" with my 2.99.x installer on my Vista laptop |
| 04:50.52 | blast007 | so maybe it's some Vista issue? |
| 04:51.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm using vista |
| 04:51.08 | blast007 | k |
| 04:51.24 | JeffM2501 | set a breakpoint in the startup method of platform sound |
| 04:51.47 | blast007 | I'll need to get a development environment set up on that system |
| 04:51.59 | JeffM2501 | well try my last change first |
| 04:52.09 | JeffM2501 | it may have affectd some stuff |
| 04:52.17 | blast007 | k |
| 04:52.32 | blast007 | I'll see about trying that tomorrow or friday |
| 04:52.38 | JeffM2501 | no big |
| 04:53.33 | JeffM2501 | I mean I, DID change the sound system from 2.0.x slightly |
| 04:53.44 | JeffM2501 | it's all abstracted into the sound manager |
| 04:53.49 | JeffM2501 | but it should be calling the same code |
| 04:55.33 | blast007 | if I get bored, maybe I'll build 2.0.x with the newer directX and see if that kills audio ;) |
| 04:55.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm using the new dx and I get sound just fine |
| 04:56.05 | blast007 | I mean for my system |
| 04:56.21 | blast007 | what sound card do you have? |
| 04:56.31 | JeffM2501 | I techincaly have 3 of them |
| 04:56.52 | JeffM2501 | onboard, a creative card, and a USB headset |
| 04:56.58 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:57.12 | JeffM2501 | it was using the creative card |
| 04:59.01 | blast007 | is using onboard Realtek HD audio |
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| 05:49.17 | temp_dist | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `src/lapi.c', needed by `lapi.lo'. Stop. |
| 05:49.36 | JeffM2501 | redo your makefile |
| 05:49.40 | temp_dist | k |
| 05:49.41 | JeffM2501 | autogen, etc. |
| 05:52.20 | trepan | in src/other/lua/.deps/: sed -i 's/\.c/.cxx/' * |
| 05:52.30 | trepan | (that's the quick way :) |
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| 06:40.52 | brlcad | yeah, a .c to .cxx conversion isn't so trivial, have to do a full-blown distclean, then redo autogen.sh |
| 06:41.10 | brlcad | confuses the automatic dependency tracking |
| 06:41.47 | trepan | strange that it works then, where is the 'automatic dependency tracking' housed? |
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| 06:54.55 | brlcad | in the deps dir, your sed trick also does the fix for that particular case/dir |
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| 14:58.42 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ping |
| 14:59.23 | Thumper_ | I'm having strange issues resolving stattrack.bzflag.org - sometimes it works and sometimes I get host not found 3(NXDOMAIN) errors. |
| 15:00.09 | joevano | Searching for stattrack.bzflag.org A record at ns1.bzflag.org. [166.70.135.180]: Reports that no A records exist. [took 108 ms] Response: No A records exist for stattrack.bzflag.org, and stattrack.bzflag.org does not exist. [Neg TTL=1800 seconds] Details: ns1.bzflag.org. (an authoritative nameserver for bzflag.org.) says that there are no A records for stattrack.bzflag.org, and that the hostname stattrack.bzflag.org does not exist. The E-mail ad |
| 15:00.42 | joevano | kind of verbose.. but I think that explains it ;) |
| 15:01.10 | Thumper_ | A few minutes ago I got this (but it's not working now) |
| 15:01.12 | Thumper_ | $ host stattrack.bzflag.org |
| 15:01.12 | Thumper_ | stattrack.bzflag.org has address 8.15.7.107 |
| 15:01.12 | Thumper_ | stattrack.bzflag.org has address 63.251.179.17 |
| 15:01.12 | Thumper_ | stattrack.bzflag.org has address 65.200.200.47 |
| 15:01.12 | Thumper_ | Host stattrack.bzflag.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 15:01.15 | Thumper_ | Host stattrack.bzflag.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 15:23.07 | BulletCatcher | All of the authoritative bzflag.org nameservers say that stattrack.bzflag.org does not exist. It seems to have been that way at least since January 5. |
| 15:32.45 | brlcad | Thumper_: pong, but yeah .. what they said |
| 15:33.30 | brlcad | there is no stattrack in the dns records on .bz |
| 15:36.35 | BulletCatcher | I also noticed that ns.mecworks.com is supposed to an authoritative nameserver for bzflag.org, but is not. (A "lame" server in DNS jargon.) |
| 15:37.02 | BulletCatcher | That wouldn't affect the stattrack problem. |
| 15:44.41 | Thumper_ | brlcad: the reason this came up is from a libcurl error on the 2.99 server - stattrack.bzflag.org is referenced in bzflag/src/common/global.cxx |
| 15:51.21 | brlcad | that'd be wrong |
| 15:53.40 | brlcad | suspect someone added it with the intention of adding a dns record, but didn't get to it |
| 15:53.54 | BulletCatcher | JeffM2501 changed it from stattrack.bzflag.bz to stattrack.bzflag.org in r19027. |
| 15:53.56 | brlcad | .bz isn't primary so can't make the change here |
| 15:54.19 | brlcad | yeah, so just didn't follow through |
| 15:54.37 | brlcad | the .bz addr still has a record |
| 15:54.52 | brlcad | the .org was just never created |
| 15:55.20 | brlcad | we were migrating all names over to the .org when tim finally made .org point to .bz |
| 16:08.26 | Thumper_ | so what's the right fix for this? change global.cxx so it points at something else (what?) or add a DNS record for stattrack.bzflag.org? |
| 16:13.10 | BulletCatcher | I suggest asking Jeff when he gets here. |
| 16:14.16 | Thumper_ | ok - I'm out all afternoon - maybe I'll catch him tonight sometime |
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| 16:37.03 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19279 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/lua/Makefile.am: |
| 16:37.03 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * changed to AM_CXXFLAGS from AM_CFLAGS |
| 16:37.03 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * removed the -fPIC switch |
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| 18:23.54 | dexter- | how long listserver be down? |
| 18:26.10 | dexter- | oh yay, back |
| 18:27.39 | brlcad | o.O |
| 18:28.14 | dexter- | hey brlcad :) |
| 18:28.22 | brlcad | hi |
| 18:28.41 | JefferyM | brlcad, that error with the statserver in bzfs is intentional |
| 18:28.46 | JefferyM | the rest of it hasn't been setup yet |
| 18:29.05 | dexter- | Getting new listserver? |
| 18:29.06 | JefferyM | it's a background curl task so it should not screw anything up |
| 18:29.09 | brlcad | right, it was the "rest hasnt' been setup yet" |
| 18:29.13 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 18:29.26 | JefferyM | need to make a php page to collect the data and store it in a db |
| 18:30.15 | JefferyM | i now know how to write the php so I'll take a shot at it this weekend. |
| 18:31.27 | JefferyM | how long do we want to keep stats for? |
| 18:31.29 | JefferyM | a week? |
| 18:32.38 | brlcad | hm, I'd be a proponent to keep stats indefinitely until we have a reason or need to dump it |
| 18:33.06 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:33.13 | JefferyM | that... is easy |
| 18:33.14 | brlcad | depends just how the db is set up, but it should be able to hold more than enough |
| 18:33.19 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:33.48 | JefferyM | the cool thing is we can change the backend with out affecting the servers |
| 18:34.57 | JefferyM | time to go and fight some more mac resources |
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| 20:36.03 | dexter- | ~bzflist |
| 20:36.26 | brlcad | wow, 300 servers... jeez |
| 20:36.33 | dexter- | ya |
| 20:36.35 | dexter- | almost like NN is back! |
| 20:36.47 | brlcad | NN? |
| 20:36.59 | dexter- | don't tell me you don't remember nn :) |
| 20:37.04 | dexter- | dah..brb |
| 20:37.14 | MindstormsKid | nn is gone? |
| 20:37.17 | brlcad | oh, 'nn' |
| 20:37.23 | brlcad | nn != NN |
| 20:37.25 | MindstormsKid | :P |
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| 20:49.34 | leeguy92 | are you ppls aware of the differences between the radar in version 2.0.10 and 2.0.13? |
| 20:49.52 | JefferyM | has not ppls |
| 20:50.19 | JefferyM | and you'll have to excuse me if I left my mind reading helmet at home |
| 20:50.23 | JefferyM | but what diff? |
| 20:51.15 | leeguy92 | on the twotanks server, for example, the giant tanks are completely opaque. whilst on 2.0.10, you can see through them in a skeletal fashion. |
| 20:51.35 | JefferyM | ahh yeah |
| 20:51.37 | leeguy92 | btw, i always carry my mind reading helmet with me. very useful :) |
| 20:51.39 | JefferyM | that was intentional |
| 20:51.42 | leeguy92 | ah |
| 20:52.05 | JefferyM | depth shading was changed to be per ojbect |
| 20:52.07 | JefferyM | not per face |
| 20:52.18 | leeguy92 | to increase speed? |
| 20:52.27 | JefferyM | that may have been part of it |
| 20:52.43 | JefferyM | and to make the radar a little les like "super god view" |
| 20:52.58 | leeguy92 | ah, i see. |
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| 21:13.06 | leeguy92 | i got a new project in my head: BZBrain - evolving Neural Network driven AI |
| 21:13.11 | leeguy92 | for bzf |
| 21:13.32 | MindstormsKid | what would it do? :P |
| 21:13.52 | JefferyM | a number of schools use bz for AI classes |
| 21:13.53 | leeguy92 | it would teach itself how to become good at the game. |
| 21:14.01 | leeguy92 | ah.....hmm :( |
| 21:14.47 | MindstormsKid | JefferyM: O_o bzflag has AI? |
| 21:14.59 | trepan | roger roger |
| 21:15.00 | JefferyM | no |
| 21:15.04 | JefferyM | well yeah |
| 21:15.06 | leeguy92 | not much of an ai |
| 21:15.12 | JefferyM | it has dumb bots and roger |
| 21:15.18 | JefferyM | but people don't use OUR bots |
| 21:15.22 | JefferyM | they write there own |
| 21:15.25 | MindstormsKid | ooooh |
| 21:15.25 | JefferyM | bzrobts, etc.. |
| 21:15.34 | JefferyM | the class TEACHES them how to do AI |
| 21:16.05 | leeguy92 | so, these schools use the bzrobots thingy? |
| 21:16.18 | JefferyM | that's what it was writen for |
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| 21:16.46 | leeguy92 | i thought bzrobots was a scripting(still non-evolving) |
| 21:17.00 | JefferyM | it's a framework |
| 21:17.06 | JefferyM | it has no actual logic |
| 21:17.17 | JefferyM | it's so that you can hook your own logic process up to it |
| 21:17.25 | JefferyM | it basicly just provides a bot API |
| 21:17.38 | leeguy92 | ah |
| 21:17.43 | JefferyM | so you'd do your NN bot, and have it use bzrobts for input/output |
| 21:18.07 | leeguy92 | hmm |
| 21:18.09 | JefferyM | for actual gameplay I personaly don't like the concept of client side bots. for real gameplay "I want to add robot players" I prefer Server Side Bots. |
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| 21:20.16 | JefferyM | it should be the choice of the server owner, not the player if they want bots or not |
| 21:23.30 | trepan | ditto |
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| 21:26.49 | dexter- | brlcad, remember now? :) |
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| 21:38.18 | randomparticle | is DR in trunk still "squirrely" |
| 21:38.41 | trepan | hasn't been touch, afaik |
| 21:38.49 | trepan | *touched |
| 21:40.55 | JefferyM | randomparticle, only when you jump it seems |
| 21:41.00 | randomparticle | ok |
| 21:41.18 | JefferyM | there was a clock drift issue on windows that was fixed that smoothed out the XY |
| 21:41.38 | JefferyM | the z rubber banding seems to happen in 2.0.x as well, but to a lesser extent |
| 21:41.57 | JefferyM | 2.99 uses longer DTs due to lag compensation so it seems to show the problem more |
| 21:41.59 | randomparticle | ok. by rubber banding you mean? |
| 21:42.05 | JefferyM | bouncing back and forth |
| 21:42.23 | JefferyM | "squirrely" in your language |
| 21:42.48 | randomparticle | what would demonstrate this most clearly? |
| 21:42.56 | JefferyM | run 2 clients |
| 21:43.00 | JefferyM | conenct to a remote server |
| 21:43.11 | randomparticle | and compare |
| 21:43.14 | JefferyM | have one jump or fall in the view of the other |
| 21:43.28 | randomparticle | ok. i'll look into it, thanks |
| 21:46.32 | randomparticle | there does seem to be an issue that a very large proportion of what look like shot-throughs occur just after take-off |
| 21:46.58 | randomparticle | i wasn't sure if that was due to the relatively high speed at take-off, or there was some bug |
| 21:47.17 | JefferyM | I think all the z drs are bad, jumping and falling |
| 21:47.51 | JefferyM | tho the takeoff case may show the most number of false postives, cus the remote system will see them on the ground untill the packet gets there |
| 21:47.57 | JefferyM | no way of getting around that |
| 21:48.00 | randomparticle | yes |
| 21:48.14 | JefferyM | the DR will just put them at the correct place in z for when they took off |
| 21:48.48 | JefferyM | the thing to do would be to test the same situation in branch |
| 21:48.53 | JefferyM | I bet they have similar results. |
| 21:49.15 | JefferyM | the remote client may not see the jumper "snap" up as fast |
| 21:49.20 | randomparticle | hmm |
| 21:49.27 | JefferyM | since the DR in 2.0.x will be wrong |
| 21:51.06 | randomparticle | i may do this locally and use ipfw to simulate lag |
| 21:51.43 | JefferyM | remote server should be simple enought to connect to |
| 21:51.50 | JefferyM | since all the server is doing is a simple relay |
| 21:51.55 | JefferyM | you should not need a local one |
| 21:52.11 | randomparticle | yes |
| 21:52.24 | randomparticle | although, i can set it to a precise lag value of my choosing |
| 21:52.34 | randomparticle | that might or might not be helpful |
| 21:52.36 | randomparticle | hard to say yet |
| 21:52.44 | JefferyM | should not mater since it's got a synced clock |
| 21:52.54 | JefferyM | start simple, then go complex when you have to ;) |
| 21:53.01 | JefferyM | but whatever floats your boat man |
| 21:53.04 | randomparticle | ok :) |
| 21:53.31 | randomparticle | oh, btw.. has the rubber tank bug been eradicated? |
| 21:53.55 | randomparticle | this is where a tank bounces off a wall unpredictably when the client has a high framerate |
| 21:54.06 | JefferyM | you can't get high framerates anymore ;) |
| 21:54.13 | randomparticle | good :) |
| 21:54.30 | JefferyM | there is better clamping and segmenting of the physics code |
| 21:54.36 | JefferyM | but sadly the physics stuff hasn't been redone |
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| 22:04.42 | joevano | dexit |
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| 22:14.24 | randomparticle | global down |
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| 22:18.28 | dexter- | bleh |
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| 22:19.48 | tobylane | how do I find which version i have, on mac? |
| 22:20.05 | me1 | tobylane, it tells you on startup |
| 22:20.15 | me1 | (look in the chat box) |
| 22:20.20 | tobylane | oh ok, never noticed |
| 22:20.38 | tobylane | if there anything i should do about crashes, like report to you or apple? |
| 22:20.56 | JefferyM | what version do you have? |
| 22:21.09 | tobylane | latest |
| 22:21.12 | JefferyM | what version do you have? |
| 22:21.17 | tobylane | 2.0.10 |
| 22:21.21 | dexter- | heh |
| 22:21.25 | JefferyM | there ya go skip |
| 22:21.37 | JefferyM | what version of OSX are you on, and what mac is it? |
| 22:21.47 | tobylane | intel imac, leopard |
| 22:21.53 | JefferyM | what version of OSX are you on, and what mac is it? |
| 22:21.58 | JefferyM | specifics |
| 22:22.11 | tobylane | late 2008, 10.5.6 |
| 22:22.22 | JefferyM | it using intel graphics? or the ATI card? |
| 22:22.25 | dexter- | ~bzflist |
| 22:22.38 | JefferyM | dexter-, you know you can do that in /msg right? |
| 22:22.39 | tobylane | the radeon hd |
| 22:22.42 | JefferyM | hmmm |
| 22:22.48 | JefferyM | when does it crash |
| 22:22.55 | dexter- | JefferyM, uh, ya was..missed it |
| 22:23.07 | tobylane | always between 15-40 minutes, normally between 20-30 |
| 22:23.09 | dexter- | any idea when it's gonne be back up? |
| 22:23.16 | JefferyM | when it is |
| 22:23.21 | JefferyM | it's moving to a new machine |
| 22:23.27 | dexter- | au |
| 22:23.35 | JefferyM | notice the message in the channel topic? |
| 22:23.40 | JefferyM | tobylane, odd |
| 22:24.06 | JefferyM | tobylane, apple won't care |
| 22:24.06 | dexter- | hoped it might be over |
| 22:24.13 | blast007 | does the game just crash, or does the whole machine lock up? |
| 22:24.31 | JefferyM | dexter-, if it was, then the topic would have been changed ;) notice the 02FEB in it? |
| 22:24.47 | tobylane | just the game, i can relaunch it the same way that other programs crash, and then it works fine for the same amount of time |
| 22:24.53 | dexter- | yaya, just anxious to play. sorry |
| 22:24.57 | blast007 | tobylane: okay |
| 22:25.02 | trepan | brlcad: i've got a patch that adds FTFont::ControlBlending(bool) -- the glEnable(GL_BLEND) & glBlendFunc() calls are disabled if ControlBlending(false) |
| 22:25.04 | tobylane | stuff like last server connected to is forgotton |
| 22:25.05 | JefferyM | dexter-, deal wiht it, and stop anoying people |
| 22:25.23 | dexter- | yea, i think i got the message |
| 22:25.30 | JefferyM | dexter-, you can play, just type in the address |
| 22:25.34 | JefferyM | you don't NEEED the list server |
| 22:25.42 | tobylane | dexter on my.bzflag you can see all the server addresses |
| 22:25.57 | trepan | brlcad: let's you use additive blending, makes it easier to do multitexturing with texgen on other texunits, etc... any problem with adding it? |
| 22:26.31 | dexter- | JefferyM, leagues, so ya, do need it |
| 22:26.43 | JefferyM | dexter-, tell them to set an offline group |
| 22:26.49 | JefferyM | or play elsewhere |
| 22:27.24 | blast007 | tobylane: that is the same server as the list server. So if global auth is down, then that stat site is too ;) |
| 22:27.33 | dexter- | yes, i just asked when it would be back up.. now i know |
| 22:27.40 | JefferyM | we do not know |
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| 22:27.51 | me1 | blast007, the forums is on the same server too, right? because it is up |
| 22:28.05 | menotume | what is down ? |
| 22:28.07 | blast007 | me1: yeah, it's slow though |
| 22:28.09 | JefferyM | me1 different parts are being moved at different times |
| 22:28.13 | blast007 | menotume: the stock market |
| 22:28.16 | menotume | ohhh |
| 22:28.18 | menotume | ha ! |
| 22:28.27 | tobylane | ive had the problems since i got the game, 2-3 weeks ago |
| 22:28.29 | menotume | burly cadd fooling around again ? |
| 22:28.38 | tobylane | todays the first day i authed |
| 22:28.41 | blast007 | moving to a new server |
| 22:28.58 | blast007 | hehe.. and there goes SC's IRC client ;) |
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| 22:29.02 | menotume | we've been moving to a new server for about what, 6 months ? :P |
| 22:29.11 | JefferyM | menotume, this week is the active move |
| 22:29.20 | menotume | ohhhhhh |
| 22:29.20 | JefferyM | he's HAD the second server for 6 months |
| 22:29.25 | menotume | no wonder he's hiding :P |
| 22:29.29 | blast007 | the Mac builds have debug symbols in them, correct? |
| 22:29.34 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 22:29.41 | dexter- | will this hopefully fix some issues list servers had recently? |
| 22:29.48 | JefferyM | no |
| 22:30.12 | blast007 | does it generate a backtrace automatically when it crashes? or do you still have to run it in gdb for that? |
| 22:30.15 | JefferyM | it's not much faster, but it has more disk space IIRC |
| 22:30.21 | JefferyM | blast007, gdb |
| 22:30.27 | JefferyM | same as nix |
| 22:30.40 | tobylane | i have xcode and so on if i can provide crash logs |
| 22:30.45 | trepan | blast007: you could code in backtrace_symbols() ;-) |
| 22:30.49 | JefferyM | that would be the backtrace ;) |
| 22:30.53 | trepan | doesn't play well with g++, iirc |
| 22:30.59 | blast007 | trepan: heh |
| 22:31.12 | menotume | hehm irssi is taking the most CPU slice at mbo |
| 22:31.27 | menotume | essy ! |
| 22:31.27 | JefferyM | yeah CPU isn't our big deal with the list server |
| 22:31.40 | JefferyM | it's sqlage |
| 22:31.44 | menotume | ya |
| 22:31.58 | SportChick | menotume!! |
| 22:32.07 | menotume | irssi abuser :P |
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| 22:33.54 | JefferyM | heh, at least you don't have game processes taking up 140% of your servers CPU ;) |
| 22:33.56 | tobylane | i need sql for webadmin? |
| 22:34.04 | JefferyM | huh? |
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| 22:34.24 | tobylane | yeah i dont get that, why do multiprocess machines have 400% not 100% for fourcore |
| 22:34.51 | JefferyM | cus each core can be run at 100% |
| 22:35.04 | JefferyM | pastebin your crashlog |
| 22:35.09 | tobylane | where is it |
| 22:35.41 | JefferyM | you have to have GDB generate it |
| 22:35.42 | trepan | tobylane: depends on the tool that you're viewing it with (and OS) |
| 22:35.58 | JefferyM | you said you could get it |
| 22:36.00 | tobylane | if its not default, i havnt done it |
| 22:36.12 | JefferyM | ahh then you misinformed |
| 22:36.35 | blast007 | gdb /path/to/bzflag/binary |
| 22:36.39 | blast007 | type 'run' |
| 22:36.41 | tobylane | oh i see what i said, i mean i believe i have the tools such as gdb |
| 22:36.58 | blast007 | hmm, maybe should run in a window too ;) |
| 22:37.09 | JefferyM | yes you meant that if told how, you could get a crash log ;) |
| 22:37.50 | blast007 | so 'run -window -geometry 640x480', turn off Confine Cursor in the Input Settings, and get it to crash. Then run 'bt' in the gdb to get the backtrace. |
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| 22:39.32 | tobylane | is it meant to change the colours? |
| 22:42.27 | tobylane | got to go, ill come back tommorow with crash log, ty for all the help |
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| 22:48.56 | brlcad | trepan: don't see why not |
| 22:49.53 | essy | brlcad: got a sec? |
| 22:50.26 | brlcad | menotume: not I |
| 22:51.03 | essy | brlcad: please :) |
| 22:51.14 | brlcad | i've had it much longer than 6 months..iirc |
| 22:51.45 | brlcad | essy: sure hon', sup? |
| 22:51.52 | essy | query ok? |
| 22:52.03 | brlcad | you should know better than to ask |
| 22:52.07 | brlcad | :P |
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| 23:11.49 | trepan | brlcad: only problem is that it will require the bz ftgl build until it flows upstream |
| 23:12.11 | trepan | hm, suppose I should look into the FTGL versionning for this one as well |
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| 23:18.56 | brlcad | trepan: there's a couple other bug fixes that have to float upstream anyways |
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| 23:21.55 | trepan | ah, cool, and i'll just need to adjust the FTGL feature test @ configure.ac:1213 |
| 23:22.28 | trepan | (bz's configure.ac :) |
| 23:22.42 | trepan | should the version get bumped to 2.2.1 ? |
| 23:23.16 | brlcad | technically, I don't think 2.2.0 has gone out |
| 23:23.47 | trepan | ok, reverted that change |
| 23:23.48 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:23.56 | brlcad | last was 2.1.3~rc5 |
| 23:24.20 | brlcad | 2.2 is a pretty invasive set of changes since 2.1 |
| 23:29.42 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19280 10/trunk/bzflag/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 23:29.42 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * added FTFont::ControlBlending() to the FTGL library |
| 23:29.42 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: (disable both the glEnable(GL_BLEND) and glBlendFunc() calls) |
| 23:29.42 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * adjusted configure.ac to require FTFont::ControlBlending for system FTGL libraries |
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| 23:30.26 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19281 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/FontManager.h src/3D/FontManager.cxx): * added FontManager::setRawBlending(bool) to use the latest FTGL feature |