| 00:01.08 | blast007 | step 1) have patience |
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| 00:11.17 | Winny | the sound will travel from your speakers to your ears in time |
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| 00:44.07 | spldart | Darn that 600 to 700 someodd mph that sound requires. (depending on altitude and humidity of course) |
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| 01:07.59 | a_meteorite | spldart: sonic BOOM! |
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| 01:57.59 | spldart | wince |
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| 02:42.56 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19310 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/glew_parse.lua: * parses glew.h to generate glew.lua |
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| 06:07.27 | jcp | Is there any point in having a bzflag hall of fame for the highest score? |
| 06:07.38 | jcp | It seems to me that it's been dominated by cheaters |
| 06:07.45 | jcp | ...which renders it kind of pointless. |
| 06:08.32 | sniper15 | And player who run a server with a SR mult radius and a ton of bots... |
| 06:08.45 | sniper15 | or should I say players |
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| 06:31.15 | brlcad | jcp: it's generally not dominated by cheaters |
| 06:31.26 | jcp | Hmm |
| 06:31.28 | brlcad | you can game the high school pretty easily .. just put a bunch of bots on a server |
| 06:31.30 | jcp | It has been ever since I'd heard of it |
| 06:31.40 | jcp | s/school/score I assume |
| 06:31.44 | jcp | But that's exactly the point |
| 06:31.52 | brlcad | that's not the point you made |
| 06:31.55 | brlcad | that's not cheating |
| 06:31.57 | jcp | Why have it if it's being gamed so much that it can't serve it's intended purpose at all |
| 06:32.00 | brlcad | it's just dumb |
| 06:32.03 | jcp | Exactly |
| 06:32.20 | brlcad | yet not exactly what you said |
| 06:32.24 | brlcad | say what you mean :) |
| 06:32.34 | jcp | In my book, high score gamer = cheater |
| 06:32.55 | jcp | Cheating their way up the high score table |
| 06:32.56 | brlcad | well your book doesn't count when it comes to defining who is and isn't a cheater fortunately :) |
| 06:33.04 | jcp | :) |
| 06:33.16 | jcp | ok then, why have it if "gamers" are always getting to the top? |
| 06:33.22 | jcp | It kinda makes it pointless to have |
| 06:33.37 | jcp | sniper15: Exactly my point |
| 06:33.42 | brlcad | well think of it this way -- it's generally people with a lot of time on their hands |
| 06:33.56 | jcp | That game it or that get a legit high score? |
| 06:34.29 | brlcad | if they didn't have that pointless metric to waste time on, they might put that counter-productive energy into other activities that are even more disruptive |
| 06:36.20 | brlcad | it is a pointless metric as-is regardless and there's not a robust way to prevent abuse anyways (on *any* of the stats) .. so what? take the stats site down altogether? that would be worse given there is some value there |
| 06:37.53 | jcp | The whole site? heck no |
| 06:38.02 | jcp | I was talking about the high score thing |
| 06:38.07 | brlcad | so was I |
| 06:38.17 | jcp | Then what is the value that you see there? |
| 06:38.30 | brlcad | did you read what I wrote? |
| 06:38.43 | jcp | Yes |
| 06:38.47 | jcp | What am I missing? |
| 06:39.24 | jcp | The stats site is a good thing to have up |
| 06:39.28 | jcp | obviously, there's value in it |
| 06:39.35 | jcp | The hall of fame is what I was rather confused about |
| 06:40.17 | brlcad | so don't look at it and you won't be confused :) |
| 06:40.41 | jcp | erg |
| 06:41.03 | brlcad | I wish I could erg right now but the gym is closed |
| 06:41.07 | brlcad | and they don't have ergometers |
| 06:41.53 | jcp | :) |
| 06:45.01 | brlcad | what you maybe missed is that any one of the stats can (and would) be gamed. if the high/low score metric was removed, those folks with copious spare time on their hands would simply game the next metric in the list |
| 06:45.27 | trepan | hehe, World-Of-Goo now available for native linux :) |
| 06:45.36 | jcp | What other metrics are there that get sorted into a visible list of highs and lows? |
| 06:48.09 | Flash | trepan: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `src/lapi.c', needed by `lapi.lo'. Stop. |
| 06:50.20 | trepan | the long way: make distclean; ./autogen.sh; etc... |
| 06:50.48 | Flash | sigh. I did autogen then make clean; guess it didn't clean enough |
| 06:51.12 | trepan | the short way: cd src/other/lua/.deps; sed -i 's/\.c/.cxx/' *.Plo |
| 06:51.13 | BulletCatcher | You need to do a distclean to remove the old Makefiles. |
| 06:51.25 | trepan | (you might want to double check the sed command :) |
| 06:51.35 | Flash | too late; distclean already done |
| 06:52.11 | trepan | it's not about the Makefiles |
| 06:52.43 | trepan | the problem is rooted in the .deps/*.Plo files, and that that don't get updated for the *.c => *.cxx filename changes |
| 06:53.15 | brlcad | make clean isn't enough, has to be a distclean when just changing an extension (or do the manual sed hack for that dir) |
| 06:53.27 | brlcad | distclean wipes out the deps |
| 06:53.34 | Flash | what would happen if you just blew away the .deps dir? |
| 06:54.16 | brlcad | computer would blow up |
| 06:54.36 | Flash | this isn't windows |
| 06:54.59 | trepan | 1234567890 would become 0987654321, and the rich folks would be a little less rich |
| 06:55.06 | brlcad | computer would blow down? |
| 06:55.24 | Flash | speaking of which, did you note the passing of 1234567890? |
| 06:56.00 | BulletCatcher | There was a party over in #freenode-epoch for it. We had fun. |
| 06:56.26 | Flash | I think I may have been working and missed it; I don't do time conversions well |
| 06:56.35 | Flash | about 7.5 hours ago? |
| 06:56.51 | Flash | or 6.5? |
| 06:56.57 | BulletCatcher | 7.5 |
| 06:57.40 | Flash | it's a hard thing to explain to non-unix folks |
| 06:58.00 | BulletCatcher | perl -le 'print scalar localtime 1234567890' |
| 06:58.35 | Flash | ewwww. perl |
| 07:46.21 | biggeruniverse | flash! |
| 07:46.31 | Flash | yo |
| 07:46.34 | biggeruniverse | oh that was an hour ago |
| 07:46.41 | biggeruniverse | o/ |
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| 11:35.48 | Pommes | there's a cheater on tanks.wittydays.de:5154 |
| 11:35.52 | Pommes | nick: tilde |
| 11:36.05 | Pommes | he's never dying and flying and has ST all at the same time |
| 11:36.18 | Pommes | anyone here that can ban him? |
| 11:37.30 | Pommes | gone now |
| 11:38.08 | Manu | I joined and he ran in fear :-p |
| 11:38.37 | Pommes | ah - fine :) |
| 11:38.58 | Pommes | hehe |
| 11:41.39 | delusional_ | should still ban |
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| 18:37.27 | tj13820 | can i build bzwb in mac os x? |
| 18:37.31 | tj13820 | or will it fail |
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| 19:04.31 | trepan | http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/downloads/ip-to-country.csv.zip + SetPlayerCustomData(p, 'country', code) (ip2country plugin) |
| 19:05.06 | trepan | have a country flag texture atlas lying around here somewhere ... |
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| 19:24.02 | trepan | + https://www.torproject.org/tordnsel/ |
| 19:27.38 | trepan | ah, good, there's already a torBlock plugin ... |
| 19:29.04 | L4m3r | yes, that threat has been long since exploited |
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| 20:47.54 | brad | ~bzflist |
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| 20:48.59 | randomparticle | global down? |
| 20:51.51 | brad | its back :p |
| 20:52.04 | randomparticle | hope it stays ;) |
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| 20:56.09 | iShock | Beep |
| 20:58.08 | iShock | Anyone? |
| 21:01.36 | iShock | Annnyone? |
| 21:07.00 | iShock | D: |
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| 21:07.43 | iShock | Hey spldart |
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| 21:07.55 | spldart | I didn't do it! |
| 21:07.58 | iShock | :P |
| 21:08.07 | iShock | Do you know much about making plugins? |
| 21:08.21 | spldart | I know nothinnngg |
| 21:08.33 | iShock | ... |
| 21:09.18 | spldart | There are far more qualified peeps in here to help with plugins and since I don't wanna risk steering you wrong I have to say "no comment" heh |
| 21:10.28 | iShock | I'm just curious how hard it would be to say '<PLAYER> wins the race!' when they cap their own flag |
| 21:10.39 | iShock | Thinking of trying to make a drag-racing like thing |
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| 21:11.30 | iShock | Hi Yassen, haven't you made a plugin or two? |
| 21:12.26 | Yassen | Yes, only one that's been released on the BZBB, though. |
| 21:13.10 | iShock | K, how hard would it be to make a plugin that says '<CAPPER> captured the flag!' when he does? |
| 21:17.01 | iShock | .. |
| 21:18.31 | temp_dist | the game already says that |
| 21:18.49 | iShock | Well |
| 21:18.56 | iShock | I don't want it to say exactly that |
| 21:21.46 | iShock | And another thing |
| 21:21.55 | iShock | Does profont not come with windows builds of 2.0.10? |
| 21:27.20 | BulletCatcher | The Phoenix plugin does something when a flag is captured. It should be a useful model for the race winner idea. |
| 21:27.42 | iShock | Mk, and what about my profont question? |
| 21:28.17 | BulletCatcher | I know as little as possible about Windows. Sorry. |
| 21:32.36 | iShock | Anyone else? spldart? |
| 21:35.48 | brad | I'm using profont on windows |
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| 21:36.47 | iShock | brad, every time I set it in the conf, it just reverts to veramono |
| 21:37.15 | brad | you closed bz first, right? |
| 21:37.38 | iShock | Yes |
| 21:38.52 | delusional_ | people have used 20 of the same color teamflags for races. |
| 21:38.54 | jcp | Anyone seen Winny? |
| 21:39.09 | jcp | A cheater or something just crashed bzflagr.net |
| 21:39.20 | iShock | Sk3? |
| 21:39.25 | jcp | I don't know |
| 21:39.40 | jcp | Signed on with a bunch of observers and now the server won't respond |
| 21:39.47 | iShock | It's up for me .. |
| 21:40.15 | jcp | ok, it's back up now |
| 21:40.19 | jcp | yeah, but most of the players are gone |
| 21:41.19 | iShock | jcp |
| 21:41.21 | iShock | Not to mention |
| 21:41.24 | iShock | Seen /lagstats? |
| 21:41.43 | brad | sk3 flooded gu servers too :/ |
| 21:41.49 | jcp | Someone just flooded it again |
| 21:42.00 | jcp | So it's down again |
| 21:42.10 | jcp | Why doesn't someone give skelly a good old hostban? |
| 21:42.23 | iShock | Up |
| 21:42.28 | iShock | And he just got downed I think |
| 21:42.36 | jcp | I certainly hope so |
| 21:42.43 | jcp | It ruined the best flag pass I've made in quite a while |
| 21:43.07 | brad | he is clever enough to get around any ban |
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| 21:43.26 | iShock | Winny attack! |
| 21:43.50 | jcp | Winny: ping |
| 21:44.12 | iShock | It's improving slowly I think |
| 21:46.59 | brad | I has idea. |
| 21:47.10 | brad | Make a plugin to only allow 2 connections per IP :) |
| 21:47.31 | brad | That would stop his bot flooding, right? |
| 21:47.45 | iShock | Yassen has one, but he's not even CONNECTED. |
| 21:47.50 | brad | heh |
| 21:47.57 | iShock | We're still getting NRs and 100ms+ jitter |
| 21:48.01 | iShock | I almost wish I wasn't on wireless |
| 21:48.07 | Yassen | Yes, I did, and it works too ;) |
| 21:48.08 | iShock | I'd whore out missile wars for a bit |
| 21:48.37 | Yassen | It has been tested on Sk3, and worked. |
| 21:48.42 | brad | post it in forum or something, Yassen ? |
| 21:48.47 | brad | would be useful |
| 21:48.48 | iShock | He did ... |
| 21:49.01 | brad | I knew that.. |
| 21:49.02 | brad | :) |
| 21:49.09 | brad | sorry, will look |
| 21:49.47 | Yassen | It's under "Plugin Releases", first thread. |
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| 21:51.12 | iShock | Just taken on MW, brad :\ |
| 21:51.21 | Winny | seeing lots of these: http://pastebin.ca/1337469 |
| 21:51.33 | brad | o_O |
| 21:51.46 | brad | that's some nasty jit, iShock |
| 21:51.54 | iShock | Yeah |
| 21:52.52 | iShock | Winny: The hell is that? |
| 21:52.53 | Winny | how do I enabled the spam kicker again? |
| 21:52.57 | Winny | iShock: no idea |
| 21:53.03 | Winny | from my ogs |
| 21:53.07 | iShock | And why is /me disabled D: |
| 21:53.48 | Winny | because I feel like it |
| 21:54.05 | jcp | Ooh, that reminds me, I forgot to file my daily report on /me... |
| 21:54.07 | brad | -spamtime & -spamwarn |
| 21:54.22 | Winny | brad: no way to do it without rebooting the server? :E |
| 21:54.31 | brad | nah :P |
| 21:54.42 | iShock | Might want to restart it anyway :\ |
| 21:54.52 | Winny | is spamtime in ms or seconds? |
| 21:54.53 | jcp | iShock: why? |
| 21:54.56 | iShock | brad: Caught why profont wasn't working |
| 21:54.57 | jcp | It won't help |
| 21:55.07 | brad | seconds, winny |
| 21:55.18 | Winny | k |
| 21:55.27 | Winny | and spamwarn is the # of warnings before a kick? |
| 21:55.41 | brad | I believe so :) |
| 21:55.43 | jcp | thinks so |
| 21:55.44 | Winny | k |
| 21:55.47 | iShock | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_Command_Line_Options |
| 21:55.47 | iShock | D: |
| 21:55.49 | jcp | heh, bra beat me to it |
| 21:55.55 | jcp | *brad |
| 21:55.57 | jcp | ouch |
| 21:56.21 | iShock | * -spamwarn warnLimit |
| 21:56.21 | iShock | Number of warnings a player/spammer gets, who violates -spamtime. |
| 21:56.52 | jcp | So essentially, if you send the same message X+1 number of times within the spam time, where X is the spamwarn value, then you get kicked, right? |
| 21:57.13 | brad | no |
| 21:57.18 | jcp | ? |
| 21:57.25 | brad | wait, yes :P |
| 21:57.30 | jcp | :D |
| 21:57.34 | iShock | * -spamtime time |
| 21:57.34 | iShock | Minimum time between player chat messages that are alike. |
| 21:57.37 | iShock | Woops |
| 21:57.42 | iShock | brad: Caught why profont wasn't working D: |
| 21:57.50 | brad | what was it iShock? |
| 21:58.01 | brad | your computer wasn't turned on? |
| 21:58.01 | iShock | #set consoleFont profont |
| 21:58.05 | brad | ahh :) |
| 21:58.10 | iShock | #set |
| 21:58.15 | iShock | Wait |
| 21:58.18 | brad | commented out...right |
| 21:58.19 | iShock | Better reason: I am a moron. |
| 21:58.32 | Winny | I'm gonna reboot with the spam settings |
| 21:58.44 | brad | use Yassen's plugin too, Winny? |
| 21:59.06 | Winny | looks |
| 21:59.27 | iShock | -votePercentage 1 |
| 21:59.28 | iShock | Oh |
| 22:01.32 | Winny | now to remember how to compile plugins without rebuilding BZFS :P |
| 22:02.43 | iShock | cd plugins/folder && make? |
| 22:03.03 | delusional_ | i just banned that loser whose filling up observer slots with dozens of bzadmins. The IP was 66.111.38.150 which rreesolves to server1.fairserve.net |
| 22:04.52 | iShock | Funny |
| 22:04.57 | brad | heh |
| 22:04.59 | iShock | We poll banned one who resolved to bzflagr.net |
| 22:05.01 | iShock | :\ |
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| 22:07.18 | Winny | k so they can spam 3 times ebfore they get kicked |
| 22:08.13 | brad | they can spam all they want if they keep changing the message :/ |
| 22:08.34 | Winny | brad; they change the message? heh... |
| 22:08.52 | brad | it only kicks if you repeat the same thing |
| 22:09.06 | brad | doing 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, etc. won't affect you |
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| 22:09.49 | Winny | brad; ah, too bad it's not just # messages in the set time |
| 22:10.16 | brad | ya, only the same messages unfortunately |
| 22:10.22 | Winny | poop |
| 22:12.34 | jcp | Winny: why not write a plugin that kicks if you send more than 3 message at all in the given time? |
| 22:13.00 | Winny | I'll look into it |
| 22:15.41 | Yassen | It'll kick you if you say the same thing in a certain period of time. |
| 22:16.21 | Yassen | So if say 1,2,1,2,1,2,1 in less than the time limit, and the kick limit is set to 3, it'll kick you. |
| 22:16.37 | sniper15 | It's the -spamwarn and -spamtime |
| 22:16.43 | brad | no Yassen? |
| 22:17.02 | Yassen | Trust me, I've been kicked for interchanging messages ;) |
| 22:17.21 | sniper15 | heh |
| 22:17.23 | iShock | Hmm. |
| 22:17.28 | brad | I just tried |
| 22:17.30 | iShock | I want to work on this, but idk if I could manage it |
| 22:17.34 | brad | no warning for different messages |
| 22:17.38 | sniper15 | yep |
| 22:17.38 | brad | only warns for same message |
| 22:17.39 | iShock | Don't even really need a plugin |
| 22:17.44 | iShock | Actually, scratch that |
| 22:17.44 | Winny | Yassen: maybe you said the 1's in less than the alloted spamtime |
| 22:17.47 | iShock | HTF plugin might work for it |
| 22:18.00 | sniper15 | I said "yes" 3 times in under 15 seconds and I got a warning |
| 22:18.33 | brad | try yes/no/yes/no really quickly |
| 22:18.48 | brad | no warning/kick |
| 22:19.30 | Yassen | Oh, I thought it did do that... |
| 22:19.48 | Yassen | Well, it's only a five second plugin. |
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| 22:23.05 | iShock | I laffed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7887577.stm |
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| 22:34.06 | spldart | Wow.. I'm glad I spend almost all my time on linux |
| 22:34.38 | sniper15 | Is anyone a admin at wittydays.de? |
| 22:35.27 | sniper15 | Someones running about 15 bzadmins and *****bob spoogepants is on |
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| 22:55.33 | delusional_ | closer to 30 bzadmins.. it fills up every empty spot |
| 22:57.12 | sniper15 | Yeah, that place needs some admins |
| 22:58.05 | blast007 | just banned them from my server |
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| 23:01.22 | jcp | Hmm, I wonder if it was the same guy that was ddos'ing bzflagr.net... |
| 23:01.40 | Winny | it was just network lag I think |
| 23:01.58 | sniper15 | Probably |
| 23:02.06 | Winny | cuz the list server was slow at the time too (we're in the same hosting facility) |
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