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| 01:45.06 | possible248 | What is the BZFlag community's feelings towards custom BZFlag clients? Not cheat clients, but just non-official ones? |
| 01:45.23 | possible248 | I imagine that such a client would be difficult to verify as a non-cheat-client, thus negative feelings would go to it |
| 01:45.44 | TD-Linux | people are fine with it |
| 01:45.50 | TD-Linux | the developers have to test somehow ;) |
| 01:45.57 | TD-Linux | I run a custom build |
| 01:46.33 | possible248 | Hmm, but I'm planning a BZFlag client that completely departs from tradition, regarding the UI |
| 01:46.45 | possible248 | See, as a bit of a joke, I've been thinking about developing a client for Google Android phonse |
| 01:46.47 | possible248 | *phones |
| 01:46.58 | possible248 | Due to hardware limitations, it would pretty much just be the radar |
| 01:47.40 | TD-Linux | go ahead |
| 01:48.13 | possible248 | Wow, I love open-source gaming. |
| 01:48.16 | TD-Linux | doesn't the android have some 3D though? |
| 01:48.35 | possible248 | Hmm |
| 01:48.55 | TD-Linux | most BZFlag maps are low poly enough that you might be able to get away with it |
| 01:49.36 | possible248 | You may have just increased the awesomeness of my idea a hundred times over |
| 01:49.39 | amathis | wants bzflag for the TI-83 |
| 01:49.46 | amathis | :D |
| 01:49.46 | TD-Linux | amathis, heh |
| 01:49.50 | TD-Linux | because |
| 01:49.54 | TD-Linux | I wrote it :D |
| 01:49.59 | TD-Linux | or at least, I started it |
| 01:50.05 | possible248 | wait, really? |
| 01:50.05 | tj13820 | wants bzflag for the ipod touch then! |
| 01:50.08 | TD-Linux | I made a vector engine |
| 01:50.12 | TD-Linux | 2D only |
| 01:50.12 | amathis | what? bzflag for the TI-83 :P |
| 01:50.23 | TD-Linux | but I managed to get it to shift and rotate |
| 01:50.31 | TD-Linux | hand-coded in z80 assembly language :D |
| 01:50.41 | possible248 | Nice, man. :D |
| 01:50.57 | TD-Linux | I didn't go any farther with it though, because it was a huge pain |
| 01:51.04 | possible248 | BZFlag for the iPod Touch/iPhone would be totally amazing. |
| 01:51.15 | possible248 | Think of all the ways multi-touch could be used in the UI |
| 01:51.16 | tj13820 | use the accelerometer to drive |
| 01:51.18 | me1 | yeah |
| 01:51.28 | tj13820 | home button to shoot |
| 01:51.29 | TD-Linux | I'm tempted to port it to the Wii |
| 01:51.31 | tj13820 | or jump |
| 01:51.34 | amathis | it would be cool to play bzflag with one of those touch screen phones (with the pen) |
| 01:51.40 | TD-Linux | problem is BZFlag is rather tied to OpenGL |
| 01:51.46 | tj13820 | i tried getting it to work on Palm OS |
| 01:51.47 | me1 | tj13820, no, to jump you 'bump' the ipod upwards |
| 01:51.48 | tj13820 | *fail |
| 01:51.53 | TD-Linux | the Wii has a lower-level graphics API |
| 01:51.56 | tj13820 | hehe me1 yeah |
| 01:52.05 | possible248 | Hm |
| 01:52.08 | TD-Linux | I *think* I can write an OpenGL wrapper around it though |
| 01:52.31 | tj13820 | i could see it as the most popular app for the itouch/phone |
| 01:52.52 | TD-Linux | sadly, iphone dev needs $100 + mac |
| 01:52.56 | tj13820 | yeah |
| 01:53.00 | possible248 | In which manner is BZFlag tied to OpenGL? |
| 01:53.02 | TD-Linux | + app store approval to distribute |
| 01:53.07 | possible248 | Would a client written from scratch still have to deal with it? |
| 01:53.12 | TD-Linux | no |
| 01:53.13 | tj13820 | unless you use a non-mac apple install |
| 01:53.25 | TD-Linux | the existing code uses OpenGL all over |
| 01:53.31 | possible248 | Ah |
| 01:53.36 | TD-Linux | however it has gotten increasingly separated since last time I played with it |
| 01:53.46 | tj13820 | you *could* get bzadmin to work on a itouch with less effort, as it is terminal/text based, correct? |
| 01:54.03 | TD-Linux | bzadmin can probably already run on itouch :P |
| 01:54.12 | tj13820 | that was my thought |
| 01:54.12 | tj13820 | hehe |
| 01:54.19 | tj13820 | has devtools for os x |
| 01:54.20 | tj13820 | :) |
| 01:54.29 | tj13820 | i'll try that sometime |
| 01:54.34 | TD-Linux | iphone uses Darwin, right? |
| 01:54.37 | tj13820 | yes |
| 01:54.39 | TD-Linux | should just be a recompile away |
| 01:54.41 | tj13820 | a stripped version |
| 01:54.42 | amathis | does anyone play the old versions of bzflag? are there any servers |
| 01:54.50 | TD-Linux | a couple maybe |
| 01:55.04 | tj13820 | like 10 i think |
| 01:55.05 | possible248 | Since Android apps are written in Java, I'll probably write my client from scratch anyway |
| 01:55.08 | tj13820 | (last time i checked) |
| 01:55.09 | amathis | I played bz for the first time the other day and it overwhelmed me |
| 01:55.20 | amathis | *first time since like 2004 |
| 01:55.24 | possible248 | I just lust after the idea of playing BZFlag while doing something normal, like ordering a sandwich |
| 01:55.38 | tj13820 | hehe |
| 01:55.43 | amathis | pick up the phone :P |
| 01:55.50 | tj13820 | i'd be a complete geek and walk down the hall going "Vrooooooooooom" |
| 01:55.57 | possible248 | rofl |
| 01:56.00 | tj13820 | driving my little tank |
| 01:56.05 | possible248 | that's what she said |
| 01:56.07 | possible248 | (sorry) |
| 01:56.10 | tj13820 | she did :x |
| 01:56.30 | tj13820 | then she saw... |
| 01:56.44 | tj13820 | anyway... i'll try a compile for ipods of bzadmin |
| 01:57.02 | tj13820 | that'd be nice for my trip to Hershey |
| 01:58.07 | possible248 | Whenever a call would come in on the phone, the player would have to pause |
| 01:58.21 | me1 | an obv can't pause |
| 01:58.45 | tj13820 | maybe a "freeze" mode |
| 01:58.49 | tj13820 | or instant pause |
| 01:59.02 | tj13820 | due to the limitations of the platform it may be necessary |
| 01:59.31 | me1 | insta-pause sounds messy, how about if you get a phone call, too bad, still 5 secs? :P |
| 02:00.10 | tj13820 | hah |
| 02:00.38 | tj13820 | i would say that if you are forced out of the game, it pauses; if you hit the home button it is treated like F12 |
| 02:00.59 | me1 | or an option- you can't receive calls while playing, and it leave a message- |
| 02:01.15 | possible248 | Hee |
| 02:01.24 | possible248 | BZFlag addicts enabling that option would cease to use their phone as a phone |
| 02:01.29 | me1 | "Be back in a bit, took break from Real Life(tm) to 'flag a little" |
| 02:01.38 | possible248 | *snicker* |
| 02:02.03 | tj13820 | to enable "instapause" i only see one variable in which would need changed |
| 02:02.10 | tj13820 | pauseCountdown = 5.0f; in playing.cxx |
| 02:02.23 | me1 | there is a 5 second countdown for a reason |
| 02:02.28 | tj13820 | (which is appropriatly labeled DO NOT CHEAT) |
| 02:02.32 | tj13820 | heh |
| 02:02.47 | possible248 | Say, where can I find the API information to write my BZFlag client? |
| 02:03.13 | tj13820 | with any BZFlag install you get the API |
| 02:03.19 | possible248 | Oh, thanks |
| 02:03.25 | possible248 | Hey, 24 is on |
| 02:03.30 | possible248 | leaves |
| 02:06.21 | tj13820 | i don't see where you would put anything to control movement though |
| 02:06.34 | tj13820 | commandsimplementation.cxx maybe? |
| 02:06.39 | sniper15 | tilt to move? |
| 02:07.20 | tj13820 | to move forward with swiping on the screen and moving with the accelerometer |
| 02:07.35 | tj13820 | this might be my summer project :P |
| 02:07.39 | sniper15 | heh |
| 02:07.47 | sniper15 | sounds like a good one |
| 02:07.48 | tj13820 | i'm intrigued |
| 02:08.03 | tj13820 | the OpenGL is where i'd need some help :P |
| 02:08.05 | amathis | oh my |
| 02:08.35 | tj13820 | amathis: ? |
| 02:08.54 | amathis | oh, sorry.. wrong window |
| 02:09.09 | amathis | ..and juggle 10 things... |
| 02:09.32 | tj13820 | lol |
| 02:20.11 | blast007 | you won't see BZFlag on an iPhone |
| 02:20.53 | blast007 | tj13820: there isn't an API to help write the client.. |
| 02:21.01 | blast007 | the API provided with 2.0.x is for server plugins |
| 02:21.11 | blast007 | s/write the/write a/ |
| 02:21.54 | blast007 | for the iPhone, it would be a game similar to BZFlag |
| 02:22.14 | tj13820 | so i would need an "API for iphone" |
| 02:22.21 | blast007 | what? |
| 02:22.32 | blast007 | you need an SDK, not an API |
| 02:23.33 | blast007 | to run applications on the iPhone or iPod touch, you need to shell out $100 for a developer license (or whatever they call it) |
| 02:23.46 | blast007 | and to develop apps for them at all, you need an Intel Mac |
| 02:24.00 | blast007 | and may be limited to 10.5 |
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| 02:28.53 | tj13820 | i have all of that haha |
| 02:34.30 | blast007 | k |
| 02:34.42 | blast007 | then have fun writing bzflag from scratch :) |
| 02:35.18 | blast007 | do they support C/C++ for the iPhone SDK? or is it all objective C? |
| 02:35.42 | tj13820 | i think it supports C++ |
| 02:35.45 | tj13820 | it *should* |
| 02:35.51 | tj13820 | along with CoCoa |
| 02:39.50 | Think_Differentl | doesn't see much point in porting bzflag to mobile devices |
| 02:40.09 | tj13820 | to try it |
| 02:40.10 | tj13820 | lol |
| 02:40.28 | blast007 | it won't be BZFlag |
| 02:40.29 | tj13820 | it'd be just about the ONLY app that is goes so far to be multiplatform |
| 02:40.33 | blast007 | it will be a different game |
| 02:41.15 | blast007 | do you really think we'd have time to maintain an iPhone port too? |
| 02:41.33 | Think_Differentl | not like that many people would want to play it |
| 02:42.54 | tj13820 | ... |
| 02:42.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19391 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/lua/src/ (lstate.cxx lua_extra.h): |
| 02:42.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * initialize and copy the LUAI_EXTRASPACE |
| 02:42.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: (this doesn't really need to be per-thread, it could be in the global lua_State) |
| 02:43.15 | trepan | as for the mesh vs. box/base/tele collision fix, it's 1 character :) |
| 02:43.19 | trepan | but it has side effects |
| 02:43.35 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:50.25 | trepan | probably going to add _bumpSpeedFactor as well |
| 02:55.58 | spldart | Did someone ask for a MD5 hash for 'DXSDK_Nov08.exe' this morning? I got [38c6525744336058f7033433ee1ad217] I used WinMD5Free v1.2 |
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| 03:15.19 | Quol | waves |
| 03:16.04 | sniper15 | waves back |
| 03:16.29 | spldart | looks around pensively |
| 03:16.38 | Quol | hey there sniper and spl :) |
| 03:16.48 | spldart | :) |
| 03:17.00 | sniper15 | =) hi Quol |
| 03:17.28 | Quol | you guys up to anything interesting this evening? |
| 03:17.37 | sniper15 | Making a new map |
| 03:18.04 | sniper15 | How about you? |
| 03:20.52 | Quol | php stuff - lots of it these days for me :) |
| 03:21.11 | sniper15 | cool |
| 03:22.34 | spldart | has nothing interesting to report but a rough day at work... that contained another knock down drag out fight between owners. It kinda sucked hehe |
| 03:22.47 | trepan | Quol: php, condolences |
| 03:23.14 | Quol | lol trepan :) thx... |
| 03:24.28 | Quol | actually - I find that it isn't soo bad these days - although no namespaces does make it messy...but with proper conventions - you can get around those things... |
| 03:25.19 | trepan | after python, lua, erlang, etc... php was just plain painful for me |
| 03:26.43 | Quol | ya - I did a lot of python the previous year - there are some really nice things with it...once you have experienced python lists - every other list in every other language is painfull |
| 03:27.26 | trepan | once i got used to lua, i _needed_ first class functions and closures :) |
| 03:27.36 | Quol | even tried to like the django framework...but it was just too young when I was using it - but still, very nice.. |
| 04:08.44 | SportChick | wonders if brlcad is awake still |
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| 04:27.59 | spldart | Heh. |
| 04:28.41 | spldart | Tiz amusing that I check on the channel after slapping my face to stay awake just a tad longer and read that ;) Must... fight... sleeep... |
| 04:32.56 | Constitution | sleep is good |
| 04:33.03 | Constitution | I am very fond of sleep |
| 04:37.00 | spldart | has resorted to utubing limp bizkit, rage against machine and korn |
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| 05:27.51 | brlcad | SportChick: yep |
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| 05:52.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19392 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 05:52.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: * moved the speed/rotation clamps so that they clamp all methods |
| 05:52.56 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: (this also fixes a (forcedSpeed < -0.5f) bug) |
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| 06:25.20 | amathis | wonders why he hasn't played with python till tonight. |
| 07:12.58 | jorgenpt | Python's nice. :) |
| 07:16.32 | amathis | yeah, no crap |
| 07:16.54 | amathis | I was bored this evening an though to myself.. I have been hearing about python for years and never even looked at a line of code |
| 07:17.02 | amathis | *and thought |
| 07:17.22 | amathis | I looked at a block of code, didn't see any semicolons or brackets and I had to go further |
| 07:17.45 | amathis | is coming from a php mindset |
| 07:17.59 | jorgenpt | hehe |
| 07:18.07 | jorgenpt | I think it's a love/hate kinda thing. |
| 07:18.17 | jorgenpt | Either you like the way they use indents, or you hate it. |
| 07:18.28 | amathis | yeah, I think it is intuitive |
| 07:18.40 | amathis | or maybe that isn't the right word |
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| 14:27.09 | brlcad | flames the idiots on the gsoc mailing list |
| 14:43.24 | jorgenpt | :p |
| 14:43.27 | jorgenpt | hugs brlcad |
| 14:43.34 | jorgenpt | When're the deadlines for gsoc applications? |
| 14:49.47 | brlcad | hey jorgenpt |
| 14:49.54 | brlcad | ~gsocfaq |
| 14:50.06 | brlcad | hrm |
| 14:51.15 | brlcad | ~gsoctimeline is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 14:51.16 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 14:51.53 | jorgenpt | Cool |
| 14:51.57 | brlcad | ~gsocfaq is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 14:51.58 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 14:51.58 | jorgenpt | You'll apply this year as well? :) |
| 14:52.06 | brlcad | still being discussed |
| 14:52.19 | brlcad | maybe, but if we do, probably only 2 or 3 students |
| 14:52.26 | brlcad | and no "new code" |
| 14:52.34 | brlcad | only refactoring and improvements on existing code |
| 14:52.48 | brlcad | like improving a prior gsoc project, or making things more stable, etc |
| 14:54.20 | jorgenpt | Okay |
| 14:54.24 | jorgenpt | Why is that? |
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| 15:01.59 | brlcad | jorgenpt: we need to stabilize so we can make a release |
| 15:02.06 | jorgenpt | Ah. :) |
| 15:02.28 | brlcad | we've intended to make a release after gsoc for over two years now |
| 15:03.23 | brlcad | participating in gsoc has introduced new work that has taken lots of time to integrate, discuss, debug, etc |
| 15:03.45 | brlcad | so we never get any closer to release stability |
| 15:04.33 | brlcad | plus it tends to burn out the main devs that could work on release stability and sucks up the available time for those that could be testing with discussions and reviews |
| 15:04.43 | brlcad | so pulling it back a big notch |
| 15:04.46 | brlcad | no new code |
| 15:04.47 | jorgenpt | Right |
| 15:06.13 | brlcad | and only a couple students so hopefully they are integrated and reviewed more effectively |
| 15:06.22 | jorgenpt | How many did you have last year? |
| 15:06.25 | brlcad | 6 |
| 15:06.40 | jorgenpt | That's a load. 4 when I was? |
| 15:06.44 | brlcad | yes |
| 15:06.58 | brlcad | even with 4, there was burnout after that winter |
| 15:07.02 | jorgenpt | Anyway, coo'. I really should spend some time with my gsoc contribution. :| |
| 15:07.15 | jorgenpt | Brb, pick up a pizza. :) |
| 15:07.23 | brlcad | mm, have fun! |
| 15:07.41 | BulletCatcher | hopes jorgenpt brought enough to share with everyone |
| 15:19.14 | brlcad | hopes jorgenpt brought enough for at least me and him ;) |
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| 16:09.08 | jorgenpt | Hehe |
| 16:09.11 | jorgenpt | Sorry guys ;-) |
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| 18:09.51 | randomparticle | i've compiled bzflag with visual studio 2008. working fine on my machine |
| 18:10.15 | randomparticle | but i won't work on another machine i tried. i including some dlls from the redist folder |
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| 18:10.23 | randomparticle | something's obviously missing |
| 18:12.28 | randomparticle | i included all these files just to be on the safe side (but not safe enough apparently): |
| 18:12.30 | randomparticle | Microsoft.VC90.CRT.manifest |
| 18:12.31 | randomparticle | msvcr90.dll |
| 18:12.31 | randomparticle | msvcm90.dll |
| 18:12.31 | randomparticle | msvcp90.dll |
| 18:12.50 | randomparticle | build was release configuration |
| 18:15.44 | JeffM | what error did it give you? |
| 18:17.52 | randomparticle | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1U73kQkrxuoPQU69IA3O8aF2Fn9Vj0 |
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| 18:20.15 | randomparticle | i don't notice this in the same folder as bzflag.exe: bzflag.exe.manifest |
| 18:21.11 | randomparticle | could that be the problem? |
| 18:21.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:21.31 | JeffM2501 | vc8 builds the manifest into the exe |
| 18:21.41 | menotume | 'application configuration is incorrect' lol, that's helpful :P |
| 18:21.47 | randomparticle | yeah, seem to recall a message to that effect |
| 18:21.47 | JeffM2501 | it acutaly is |
| 18:22.00 | JeffM2501 | did you install the VC 2008 runtimes on the other system, or just copy the DLLs? |
| 18:22.16 | randomparticle | no, just the dlls |
| 18:22.22 | JeffM2501 | that's not enough |
| 18:22.27 | JeffM2501 | run the runtime installer |
| 18:22.32 | randomparticle | ah, ok |
| 18:22.33 | JeffM2501 | they need to be registered with the system |
| 18:23.09 | randomparticle | the official bzflag installers do that now? |
| 18:23.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:23.56 | JeffM2501 | they have a note that says you have to install it manualy |
| 18:24.02 | randomparticle | ok |
| 18:24.09 | JeffM2501 | and the "official" installers don't build with 2008 |
| 18:24.20 | JeffM2501 | the last official one is for 2003 |
| 18:24.36 | JeffM2501 | the installer for trunk has a note to install it manualy |
| 18:24.52 | JeffM2501 | but the idea was to try and detect it in the installer and then install it from MS if needed |
| 18:24.56 | JeffM2501 | but that work has not been done |
| 18:25.07 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzflag are you using? |
| 18:25.36 | randomparticle | i've been compiling (for the moment) from the 2.0.12 source |
| 18:26.02 | JeffM2501 | 2008 is not officialy supported in that release |
| 18:26.09 | randomparticle | compiles fine though |
| 18:26.12 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:26.21 | JeffM2501 | but as you have found there are other issues besides compiling ;) |
| 18:26.25 | randomparticle | yes |
| 18:26.33 | JeffM2501 | the rest of the system was never updated to work with the new libs |
| 18:26.49 | JeffM2501 | so asking if the "official" installers do this is a little silly ;) |
| 18:27.03 | randomparticle | ok. so is this what's needed: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9b2da534-3e03-4391-8a4d-074b9f2bc1bf&displaylang=en |
| 18:27.13 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 18:27.29 | randomparticle | no harm in trying i guess :) |
| 18:27.38 | JeffM2501 | then you too will have the joy of the CLR |
| 18:30.27 | randomparticle | i hurrah, works. tx |
| 18:31.29 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:33.19 | randomparticle | i think once before (different program) i did get away with bundling a few dlls. don't know why it worked that time |
| 18:33.47 | randomparticle | maybe i'd already installed the runtime when installing something else |
| 18:33.56 | menotume | *bingo* :P |
| 18:35.08 | randomparticle | i notice 2.0.10 comes with these: msvcp71.dll |
| 18:35.08 | randomparticle | msvcr71.dll |
| 18:39.54 | randomparticle | i've wondered for a while... when run windowed on windows |
| 18:40.01 | randomparticle | the window doesn't have close or minimize button |
| 18:40.11 | randomparticle | why is that? |
| 18:40.59 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x is built with 2003 |
| 18:41.02 | JeffM2501 | aka VC 7.1 |
| 18:41.09 | JeffM2501 | they don't require the install of the runtimes |
| 18:41.15 | randomparticle | ok |
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| 18:41.29 | JeffM2501 | MS has been doing a slow upgrade to the new way of runtime registration |
| 18:42.26 | JeffM2501 | VC8 allowed ether installation, or just throwing the files in the dir with a proper manifest, VC9 requires the install basicly |
| 18:42.32 | JeffM2501 | cus the runtimes are now tied to the CLR |
| 18:42.53 | JeffM2501 | in the end it's good, cus you only end up with one set of runtimes |
| 18:45.42 | randomparticle | Avira is still tagging the Nov DirectX SDK as infected |
| 18:45.54 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 18:46.17 | randomparticle | it's got the right md5 and sha-1 checksums though, so it hasn't been tainted at my end |
| 18:46.26 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 18:46.55 | JeffM2501 | it probaby detects code that changes or accesses the system level stuff, and an MS SDK will do that ;) |
| 18:47.24 | randomparticle | could be. the avira support people wanted me to upload it as a sample. it's 500MB. fat chance of me doing that :) |
| 18:47.34 | JeffM2501 | send them a link |
| 18:47.38 | JeffM2501 | it's freely available |
| 18:47.40 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 18:48.08 | JeffM2501 | it would be odd that they not know what the direct X SDK would be, even by common sense |
| 18:48.43 | randomparticle | they seemed to show a bit more urgency when i mentioned the possibility of emailing microsoft about it |
| 18:48.59 | JeffM2501 | I highly doubt ms would care |
| 18:49.33 | randomparticle | i wonder if it happens often |
| 18:49.48 | JeffM2501 | AV apps screwing up and flaggin stuff bad, sure |
| 18:50.19 | JeffM2501 | specialy dev stuff |
| 18:50.59 | JeffM2501 | your normal comercial level AV app isn't going to be that smart, and is going to take a "better safe then sorry" approach |
| 18:51.14 | JeffM2501 | heck, at work I set entire dirs as exclusions for our AV stuff |
| 18:51.29 | JeffM2501 | "no.. don't check every obj file that is made during a compile" |
| 18:53.42 | randomparticle | is dinput.lib still a requirement with 2.99.x? |
| 18:53.54 | JeffM2501 | no dinput8 is ;) |
| 18:54.05 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x uses an older dx sdk then 2.99 |
| 18:54.10 | randomparticle | great |
| 18:54.17 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x can't use anythign newer then april 2007 |
| 18:54.32 | randomparticle | i did try tweaking it a bit to get it working. got it to compile ok, but it fell over on launch |
| 18:54.40 | JeffM2501 | 2.99 was upgraded to use the newer dx8 interface cus the 7 one was deprecated in the lib |
| 18:54.50 | JeffM2501 | you can turn off the joystick stuff |
| 18:54.57 | JeffM2501 | should be a define for it |
| 18:55.04 | randomparticle | ok |
| 18:55.16 | JeffM2501 | we made no effort to ensure that 2.0.x and 2.99.x have compatable build systems |
| 18:55.34 | JeffM2501 | the goal for 2.99.x was to make it easy to build with the current SDKs and free MS tools |
| 18:56.22 | randomparticle | is this the define: #define USE_DINPUT 1 |
| 18:56.29 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 18:56.36 | JeffM2501 | does not remember much about older code |
| 18:56.57 | randomparticle | there's also some BROKEN_DINPUT thing kicking about |
| 18:57.02 | JeffM2501 | yep |
| 18:57.07 | JeffM2501 | old code |
| 18:57.10 | JeffM2501 | in an old product ;) |
| 18:57.36 | JeffM2501 | it was a poor attempt to fix the lib change introduced after april 2007 |
| 18:57.44 | amathis | :P |
| 18:59.19 | randomparticle | i noticed when i compiled the libcurl dynamics, libcurl_imp.lib was produced rather than libcurl.lib (in addition to libcurl.dll) |
| 18:59.56 | JeffM2501 | using what libcurl? |
| 19:00.30 | randomparticle | this: http://curl.haxx.se/download/curl-7.19.3.zip |
| 19:00.49 | JeffM2501 | umm ok then |
| 19:00.51 | JeffM2501 | ask them ;) |
| 19:00.59 | JeffM2501 | it's probably the import lib |
| 19:01.10 | JeffM2501 | and they named it diffrently so it would not confilct from the static lib |
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| 21:03.50 | Shaba1 | Hey guys |
| 21:04.12 | Shaba1 | I am surprized that #bzflag is the most populous channel on freenode!!! |
| 21:05.25 | Think_Differentl | you must have read the list wrong |
| 21:05.40 | Shaba1 | I just did a /list Think_Differentl |
| 21:05.43 | Think_Differentl | #linux is probably one of the largest, along with ##hardware |
| 21:05.50 | Shaba1 | with min8-max99 |
| 21:05.55 | Shaba1 | and sorted by users |
| 21:06.05 | Shaba1 | bzflag came up at the top of the list |
| 21:06.17 | me1 | max99 is what's blocking you |
| 21:06.21 | Think_Differentl | oh, well, but it's still not the most populated |
| 21:06.24 | me1 | try max 3000 |
| 21:06.25 | me1 | or so |
| 21:06.35 | Think_Differentl | hardware has 185 right now |
| 21:06.46 | Think_Differentl | linux has 800 some |
| 21:06.56 | Shaba1 | wishes he had time to play bzflag |
| 21:06.59 | me1 | I know #ubuntu has around 1.5K |
| 21:07.11 | Shaba1 | I have had it on my machine for two years now and think I have played it twice |
| 21:07.13 | Shaba1 | :( |
| 21:07.32 | Shaba1 | Oh well I do have a question |
| 21:07.46 | Shaba1 | Any blender users here. |
| 21:07.50 | Shaba1 | I tried to download the new version of bzedit |
| 21:07.54 | Shaba1 | and the link was bad |
| 21:12.14 | blast007 | new version of bzedit? |
| 21:13.21 | Shaba1 | Sorry blast007 |
| 21:13.31 | Shaba1 | I meant BZWToolkit |
| 21:13.41 | Shaba1 | and it seems now that the site is up |
| 21:14.02 | blast007 | thst was a tool by Teppic, iirc |
| 21:14.11 | joevano | ah, but as an editor it is far from complete |
| 21:14.34 | joevano | BZWToolKit... i was thinking BZWorkbench |
| 21:14.44 | blast007 | blender one |
| 21:14.49 | joevano | yeah |
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| 21:16.28 | Shaba1 | joevano: what is BZWorkBench |
| 21:19.44 | Shaba1 | Nevermind joevano I found it |
| 21:19.45 | brlcad | ~bzwb |
| 21:19.57 | brlcad | hrmph |
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| 21:46.51 | Erroneous | ~bzworkbench |
| 21:46.52 | ibot | well, bzworkbench is a bzflag world file editor being developed by jude-, or http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 21:47.24 | me1 | is it 'bz workbench', or 'bzw orkbench"? |
| 21:48.12 | me1 | I always read bzworkbench, but i want to say bzw orkbench |
| 21:52.13 | me1 | spammer :( -- http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=36100 |
| 21:53.42 | me1 | blast007, :( |
| 21:57.55 | brlcad | ~bzwb is see bzworkbench |
| 21:57.56 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 21:58.27 | me1 | ~bzwb |
| 21:58.28 | ibot | somebody said bzwb was see bzworkbench |
| 21:58.46 | brlcad | ~bzwb |
| 21:58.47 | ibot | hmm... bzworkbench is a bzflag world file editor being developed by jude-, or http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 21:59.03 | brlcad | needed a swifter kick |
| 21:59.27 | me1 | heh |
| 22:00.23 | me1 | meh, good thing about rolly chairs that kick back- their comfy. Bad thing: when you stretch, you fall backwards :x |
| 22:00.41 | me1 | hmm, they're, not their. |
| 22:02.19 | joevano | me1: cleaned up and I continue to ban china from the forums.. it is the only place the spammers are connecting from |
| 22:02.26 | joevano | sorry china bzflag players |
| 22:05.06 | me1 | do all people with "forum admin" (ie, red names) have the powa to delete users/posts/etc.? |
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| 22:07.02 | joevano | me1: yep, that is what a forum admin is |
| 22:07.37 | joevano | i am nut sure all red names are forum admins.. there are also moderators for specific forums, like GU League |
| 22:07.47 | joevano | not* |
| 22:07.48 | me1 | good to know, i thought it was only jeff and blast :\ |
| 22:07.58 | me1 | well, in the group, forum admins |
| 22:08.41 | joevano | jeff, blast, me, learner, fiberchunks, l4m3r, erronous and a couple others |
| 22:33.00 | SportChick | tackles brlcad and force-feeds him sushi |
| 22:33.59 | brlcad | yay! |
| 22:34.11 | brlcad | likes being force-fed things he likes |
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| 23:27.36 | Erroneous | joevano, me1: all red names are admins, see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=leaders for the full list |
| 23:38.57 | brlcad | er, who is CaptianAwesome... :) |
| 23:39.03 | brlcad | sounds like a jeffism |
| 23:39.11 | brlcad | spelled like a jeffism |
| 23:39.34 | me1 | hehe, was thinking the same thing :P |
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| 23:42.05 | Yassen | Is is possible to leave the active input device on Auto, but not get all the white spam that says "Mouse movement" or "Keyboard Movement" ? |
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| 23:49.25 | Erroneous | Yassen: nope. it only outputs those when the input changes, so something's most likely not right with your setup (mouse might be oversensitive, for instance) |