| 00:00.09 | a_meteorite | ok, I'm going to leave it at that. there are others in here with proper web design experience and know what I'm talking about. |
| 00:00.09 | Winny | give up and use tables? CSS based layouts are easier to maintain and create than table based layouts |
| 00:00.24 | brlcad | anyways, not going to get caught up in a pointless discussion -- especially if what you're saying is not in the least bit constructive thusfar |
| 00:00.43 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite, I think I understand what you are getting at, but your argument is nonsensical... you cannot have a CSS-based layout |
| 00:00.45 | a_meteorite | my constructiveness came from suggesting spacing |
| 00:00.47 | a_meteorite | that's all. |
| 00:01.06 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: uh, okay. I'm going to point you to google before a dev gets pissed at me. |
| 00:02.01 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite, this discussion intrigues me, #bzchat maybe? |
| 00:02.12 | TD-Linux | err #bzflag-chat |
| 00:04.13 | brlcad | that's all indeed, it was everything afterwards that wasn't constructive |
| 00:05.04 | brlcad | easy to poo poo the status quo when it requires no effort on your part |
| 00:05.07 | brlcad | if you want to make it better, it's been said many times over that the website needs to be worked on |
| 00:05.51 | brlcad | and, I've probably been doing web work longer than you've touched a computer, if you must resort to character attacks instead of making a technical point |
| 00:06.13 | a_meteorite | we did work on something better, specifically me and Winny |
| 00:06.19 | a_meteorite | it was rejected |
| 00:06.23 | brlcad | it wasn't better |
| 00:06.37 | brlcad | it was getting better, but there wasn't follow-through |
| 00:06.59 | a_meteorite | uh, okay. I don't think I have anything more to add.. |
| 00:08.56 | trepan | blast007: hehe, hadn't seen that one before ;) |
| 00:09.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:09.05 | brlcad | a_meteorite: which is a shame, you have the ability to make it better |
| 00:13.53 | brlcad | delving into a debate of css-based layouts over tables and the implications/limitations of each isn't exactly fruitful if the design/layout itself is still crap |
| 00:14.16 | brlcad | current site is (arguably) slightly less crappy now (but still crap) |
| 00:14.38 | brlcad | a css layout wouldn't make it any less crap, it'd just change the smell |
| 00:15.07 | a_meteorite | granted |
| 00:15.30 | blast007 | writes down that analogy |
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| 00:24.22 | blast007 | weee, looks like the main site on .bz is still using CVS ;) (though I think I did sync the SVN copy up a while ago) |
| 00:24.54 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 00:25.26 | blast007 | not sure how that'll work exactly.. there's an SVN checkout in there already for the master-bans.txt file |
| 00:27.50 | blast007 | apparently that won't work at all ;) |
| 00:28.02 | blast007 | "svn: '.' is already a working copy for a different URL" |
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| 01:19.47 | spldart | Crud. I've managed to bunk something in either my 3d settings for the gpu or bzflag settings but I've managed to slow down to about 15 fps :( |
| 01:31.37 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19439 10/trunk/web/mainsite/images/ (6 files): add the new button-style images for the main page |
| 01:37.10 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19440 10/trunk/web/mainsite/images/teleporterAnatomy.gif: add the nifty teleporter description image |
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| 01:55.13 | spldart | fixed... a tv capture card destroyed my 3d performance. |
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| 03:36.14 | brlcad | blast007: you said you sync'd them? looks like admin/ has a lot of differences |
| 03:36.36 | blast007 | I said I *thought* I did ;) |
| 03:43.49 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19441 10/trunk/web/mainsite/general.css: few stylistic tweaks, set a serifless font, get rid of body padding, add a class for the menu, make the copyright tiny |
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| 04:57.19 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19442 10/trunk/web/mainsite/getin/index.php: clean up text on getting involved from scratch. link to wiki and hint at patch work more. |
| 05:01.33 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19443 10/trunk/web/mainsite/index.php: update the main page to utilize the new 'button' images instead of displaying news. also kill an unclosed table. |
| 05:08.29 | Constitution | brlcad: I would be happy to volunteer time and effort in an official or unofficial capacity for GSoC this summer if bzflag is an accepted org... would love to give something back after the great summer I had last year |
| 05:16.32 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19444 10/trunk/web/mainsite/document.php: increase to 90%, remove/cleanup some of the menu items, shorten the list, remove the useless menu header, tweak the style to line up more exactly. |
| 05:23.17 | brlcad | Constitution: fantastic |
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| 05:32.19 | steerpike | not being identified |
| 05:32.47 | steerpike | not getting a server list either |
| 05:34.44 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19445 10/trunk/web/mainsite/cgi-bin/moin_config.py: merge what's currently being used |
| 05:35.26 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 05:36.02 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19446 10/trunk/web/mainsite/oldwiki/ (66 files in 5 dirs): merge in the oldwiki/ from current live site |
| 05:36.07 | Constitution | I haven't been able to get it for about 10 minutes |
| 05:36.44 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19447 10/trunk/web/mainsite/admin/PEAR/ (10 files): dunno if it's actually used, but merge from live site |
| 06:10.51 | brlcad | blast007: how about now? |
| 06:11.22 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 06:11.23 | blast007 | looks good now |
| 06:12.27 | Constitution | ~brlcad++ |
| 06:12.40 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19448 10/trunk/web/mainsite/document.php: meh, utilizing two databases |
| 06:19.55 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19449 10/trunk/web/mainsite/admin/ (11 files): merge in the live site treating it as authoritative, hopefully not bustaging anything that was previously fixed but not posted. |
| 06:20.58 | brlcad | now it should be fully syncd |
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| 14:25.41 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r19450 10/trunk/web/mainsite/: add the master-bans checkout as an svn:externals, ignore the symlink |
| 14:28.51 | brlcad | now everything can be kept up to date again |
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| 15:10.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5567 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* [[Google Summer of Code/2009|2009 (more details here)]] */ show some excitement |
| 15:15.34 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5568 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* BZFlag participation in GSoc */ note the slot counts, note that we really don't want new code |
| 15:15.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5569 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code: /* The application review process */ old date |
| 15:19.48 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5570 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code: remove toc, add header with 2009 info |
| 15:28.51 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5571 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: organize into high and other priority projects, emphasize code cleanup and refactoring over new code projects |
| 15:29.08 | brlcad | dexter-: we don't yet have a 2009 flyer |
| 15:29.11 | brlcad | you're welcome to work on one |
| 15:29.45 | dexter- | I think you'll regret that offer..i'm not that talented in photoshop :P |
| 15:34.36 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5572 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: add bug hunting/fixing specifically |
| 15:36.18 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5573 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: add a rough difficulty measure |
| 15:36.27 | brlcad | dexter-: I won't regret it if it sucks and we don't use it |
| 15:36.39 | brlcad | seriously, give it a try.. maybe you'll come up with something good |
| 15:36.56 | brlcad | it should try to utilize the 2009 logo theme |
| 15:36.57 | dexter- | yea, never easy when you know what satu did though, heh |
| 15:37.28 | dexter- | for the general GSOC? |
| 15:42.02 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5574 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: modularization of the graphics code |
| 15:42.05 | brlcad | for bzflag, like what saturos did last year |
| 15:44.21 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5575 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: note previous projects |
| 15:46.01 | Winny | why not just update the one from last year? |
| 15:46.09 | Winny | it's not like you need a new poster every single year |
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| 15:50.07 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5576 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: expand on some of the implied requirements |
| 15:50.18 | brlcad | Winny: well you could do that, certainly better than nothing |
| 15:50.29 | brlcad | are you volunteering? :) |
| 15:51.42 | dexter- | brlcad, i don't know what theme that is, though - that was my question |
| 15:52.52 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5577 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: emphasize the labels |
| 15:52.56 | brlcad | dexter-: it's on the gsoc flyer page on the gsoc site, you can start there |
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| 15:55.49 | dexter- | yea, saw |
| 16:12.04 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5578 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Additional Project Ideas */ bzrobots continuation |
| 16:30.10 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5579 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: the venerable two-tank idea returns |
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| 16:33.32 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5580 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: multiple display support |
| 16:35.40 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5581 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: cross-server communications |
| 16:37.23 | JefferyM | don't forget bzworkbench |
| 16:38.04 | brlcad | it's already there |
| 16:38.15 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5582 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: add profile management back and slew of acceptance testing |
| 16:38.31 | JefferyM | do you think one idea would be to fill out more stuff on WebAdmin |
| 16:38.39 | brlcad | sure |
| 16:38.42 | JefferyM | basicly do the work we expected bug to do |
| 16:38.59 | JefferyM | the core of webadmin is done, it just needs functional love |
| 16:39.04 | brlcad | that was Integrated BZFS web interface iirc, yes? |
| 16:39.18 | JefferyM | probably |
| 16:39.38 | JefferyM | the plugin is now called just WebAdmin |
| 16:41.45 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5583 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: webadmin |
| 16:42.47 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5584 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Lots o' Bug fixing */ emphasize |
| 16:44.23 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5585 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* High-Priority Project Ideas */ emphasize that they are all much more desirable than the rest |
| 16:45.38 | JefferyM | weighs the differences between axiom and tau |
| 16:48.39 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5586 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: expecting at most three students |
| 16:50.18 | brlcad | any other ideas? |
| 16:50.49 | brlcad | specific cleanup projects? |
| 16:51.03 | brlcad | (not already covered) |
| 16:51.03 | JefferyM | you have graphic code cleanup? |
| 16:51.08 | brlcad | yep |
| 16:51.27 | JefferyM | finish server side players |
| 16:53.09 | brlcad | players or server-side state management? |
| 16:53.31 | JefferyM | server side players is an API feature we have now |
| 16:53.36 | JefferyM | bots in plugins |
| 16:53.43 | brlcad | I know, just making sure which one you meant |
| 16:54.12 | JefferyM | we havent' started server side state management ;) so finishing it would be hard ;) |
| 16:54.28 | brlcad | you started a little bit of it last year |
| 16:54.45 | JefferyM | shots? |
| 16:55.13 | JefferyM | 2 people have tried to track shots, nether of them have had much sucsess :/ |
| 16:56.59 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Learner 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5587 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: server-side players |
| 16:57.05 | brlcad | o.O |
| 16:57.26 | brlcad | you mean having the server track shots? or track down the shot bugs |
| 16:58.46 | brlcad | i had the server tracking shots a few years ago as part of the position update culling / network optimization .. tracking them is easy, being authoritative was the hard part then (no way to kill players) |
| 17:02.30 | JefferyM | no, I mean is that what you are saying I tried to do a bit of last year? |
| 17:02.57 | brlcad | yeah, you moved a fair bit of logic over to be server-side |
| 17:03.36 | JefferyM | I tried to and failed |
| 17:03.38 | brlcad | it was a while ago now |
| 17:03.44 | JefferyM | then const did and got a little more |
| 17:03.50 | brlcad | yeah, but lots/most of that is still there |
| 17:04.10 | JefferyM | there being in SVN sure, There being "in trunk" not on your life |
| 17:04.21 | brlcad | my point was just that we (you) had started |
| 17:04.28 | JefferyM | if you want a state tracking probject, it would be the continuation of what const start |
| 17:04.38 | JefferyM | I'd crapcan my branch |
| 17:04.44 | JefferyM | it was a bad direction |
| 17:05.20 | brlcad | nods |
| 17:05.44 | brlcad | well, we should be under the microscope very shortly now |
| 17:06.20 | JefferyM | is brlcad applying this year as well? |
| 17:06.21 | brlcad | ponders tailing the logs for google.com gsoc page loads |
| 17:06.52 | JefferyM | so how much money did we get from last year after the man takes his cut? |
| 17:07.30 | brlcad | yeah, but having another guy is taking over most of the admin this year |
| 17:07.39 | JefferyM | cool |
| 17:08.09 | brlcad | it's about 2k |
| 17:08.28 | brlcad | haven't crunched the numbers to get the exact count yet |
| 17:09.30 | JefferyM | you pondered setting up the org anymore? |
| 17:15.07 | brlcad | yeah just not recently, that stalled after we ran into problems with the gaming group |
| 17:15.24 | brlcad | which never went anywhere, glad it smelled bad enough from the start |
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| 17:51.41 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r19451 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ComposeDefaultKey.cxx: quell warning |
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| 18:17.50 | trepan | ... as i'm probably the worst offender in that category |
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| 18:36.06 | RatOmeter | so who's responsible for all the mixed tabs & spaces? ;) |
| 18:37.12 | Evilroneous | DEVINFO |
| 18:41.36 | RatOmeter | :) |
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| 19:05.35 | recon69 | hi, |
| 19:06.10 | recon69 | anyone about? |
| 19:07.07 | RatOmeter | I'm about 170 pounds. Not sure that counts. |
| 19:07.24 | blast007 | RatOmeter: do you have a specific question? |
| 19:07.30 | blast007 | er |
| 19:07.36 | blast007 | recon69* |
| 19:07.44 | blast007 | silly tab complete ;) |
| 19:07.48 | RatOmeter | :) |
| 19:08.32 | recon69 | well, was just looking for some info on procedural textures in cs and happened on bzflag. I did not know you where using the CS engine. after reading a bit I though i might have a plugin you could use for realtime stars/moon. |
| 19:09.48 | recon69 | I made it my self so the coding could be better, but it works, does not use to much resources and should be relative easy to Incorporated if your interested. |
| 19:12.07 | blast007 | There was a branch that made use of CS, but it's not used in our official versions, nor was the branch feature complete afaik |
| 19:13.37 | recon69 | haa, so i'm in the wrong place, no problem. |
| 19:14.20 | blast007 | we do have a rather complex sky system already as well ;) |
| 19:15.14 | RatOmeter | the wiki page for the CS branch hasn't been updated for 2 years and still shows some serious todos hanging |
| 19:15.33 | blast007 | yeah, I think Tupone was the one working on that |
| 19:15.58 | RatOmeter | yep. No SVN commits in 22 months either |
| 19:16.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:16.34 | recon69 | RatOmeter: some of the links when to your pages so I got the wrond idea :) |
| 19:17.21 | recon69 | never mind :) |
| 19:17.33 | brlcad | you're welcome to keep working on it ;) |
| 19:19.20 | recon69 | why? if it been 22 months since last update of CS branch it would seem dead, and seems the main branch is in good shape. |
| 19:21.50 | trepan | "good shape" ? |
| 19:21.56 | trepan | :) |
| 19:39.10 | brlcad | recon69: that'd be a recursive excuse to not work on it (because nobody is working on it) -- I'm saying *you* could work on it if you want |
| 19:39.22 | brlcad | having bzflag work with a rendering engine is still a long-term goal |
| 19:46.36 | recon69 | brlcad: sorry, was off playing bzflag :) how do you jump :) |
| 19:46.57 | brlcad | i don't, i shoot jumpers |
| 19:47.16 | blast007 | tab |
| 19:47.17 | trepan | the default is the 'tab' key, if the server supports jumping, or if you have the Jump flag |
| 19:52.04 | recon69 | ok, thx. well, I'll stop taking up you time. bzflag looks a lot better that the last time i played it. good work :) |
| 19:52.22 | recon69 | bye |
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| 19:57.25 | RatOmeter | I assign the 'v' key to jump because it's handy right next to 'b'. |
| 19:57.45 | RatOmeter | I still jump too often, though. perhaps I should assign '~' to jump ;) |
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| 20:42.11 | Wyk3d | how up to date is the BUGS file ? |
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| 20:50.44 | spldart | I'm sure it has some stuff that is prolly out of date. But latest bugs? dunno |
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| 21:23.48 | JeffM | owww...... |
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| 21:26.36 | JeffM | is she cute? |
| 21:26.58 | Winny | dunno - use your imaginagtion |
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