| 00:01.46 | L4m3r | seems to me that it'd be easier to just not use http |
| 00:01.56 | L4m3r | but that could get complicated |
| 00:02.03 | L4m3r | (it's just for the list, right?) |
| 00:02.10 | JefferyM | no |
| 00:02.14 | spldart | Jeff: I can understand.. This is the first time by any means ;) |
| 00:02.16 | JefferyM | maps, image,s etc.. |
| 00:02.28 | L4m3r | ah, that's a point I guess |
| 00:02.31 | JefferyM | auto update |
| 00:02.36 | JefferyM | yeah lots of stuff |
| 00:02.49 | JefferyM | I mean it's not like HTTP is some crazy protcoll ;) |
| 00:02.56 | JefferyM | it's kinda well known |
| 00:03.07 | JefferyM | just the curl people like to write some WACKY code for it |
| 00:03.15 | spldart | s/is/isn't |
| 00:03.42 | JefferyM | HTTP is pretty easy to get |
| 00:03.49 | JefferyM | it's worrdy sure, but it's pretty simple |
| 00:05.59 | JefferyM | actualy if I made the curlmanager use the windows calls, we'd pick up stuff like proxy server settings from the OS |
| 00:06.07 | JefferyM | so it'd be better then cURL |
| 00:06.32 | JefferyM | but then I'd have to make larger changes to the curlmanager |
| 00:11.27 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19525 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): get curl working on windows again. |
| 00:12.53 | JefferyM | spldart, try that |
| 00:13.00 | JefferyM | you'll probably have to do a rebuild all |
| 00:15.03 | Erroneous | JefferyM: did they update the dsp/dsw projects they ship? |
| 00:15.12 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.15 | Erroneous | might give you some idea of how to handle the changes |
| 00:15.16 | JefferyM | yeah, but I didn't see that till later ;) |
| 00:15.29 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:15.29 | JefferyM | if that dosn't work I'm going to revert and start over with them |
| 00:15.56 | Erroneous | I've found that the most reliable way to update our projects is to check the diffs in the dsp/dsw and do roughly the same changes |
| 00:16.10 | Erroneous | upgrading from the dsp/dsw will not work right though, just as a warning |
| 00:16.16 | JefferyM | is the only reason we keep curl around for windows? |
| 00:16.18 | Erroneous | did some funky build stuff |
| 00:16.38 | Erroneous | no, all platforms need it |
| 00:16.49 | JefferyM | yeah but the others check for a local one |
| 00:16.51 | JefferyM | and use it |
| 00:16.58 | Erroneous | many don't have it |
| 00:16.58 | JefferyM | and IIRC everyone else has it |
| 00:17.01 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 00:17.02 | Erroneous | solaris, for instance |
| 00:17.16 | JefferyM | oh no.. that one client would have to get a dependency ;) |
| 00:17.17 | Erroneous | mac does, most linux distros these days do, but they didn't in the past |
| 00:17.32 | Erroneous | it's gotten pretty popular |
| 00:17.36 | JefferyM | the idea of using the windows stuff on windows makes a little sense to me, for proxy support |
| 00:17.38 | spldart | lotsa warnings but no errors so far |
| 00:17.46 | JefferyM | but it'd be a fair amount of work |
| 00:17.51 | Erroneous | yeah, it would |
| 00:18.14 | JefferyM | but it would also fix some of the problems I have with the current curl implemntation ( no central controll over how many jobs to do at one time ) |
| 00:18.50 | Erroneous | it wouldn't fix those problems in a cross-platform way though |
| 00:19.02 | JefferyM | the changes I'd make to the code woudl |
| 00:19.08 | JefferyM | I'd change how WE use curl |
| 00:19.13 | JefferyM | to make it simpler |
| 00:19.31 | JefferyM | there would be one URL manager that had ether a curl or windows backend |
| 00:19.51 | JefferyM | and you'd just add the jobs to that one thing, not derive off a new manager for each thing you want to do |
| 00:20.16 | JefferyM | then that one manager can run as many at once as the user wants, with a user setting |
| 00:20.30 | JefferyM | so fast peopel could get lots of images at a time, and slow could have it do it one at a time, etc.. |
| 00:20.37 | JefferyM | and every use would pick up on that |
| 00:20.46 | JefferyM | kinda like how the API does it |
| 00:20.55 | JefferyM | it just has one url manager for all plugins |
| 00:21.03 | JefferyM | and a setting for how many jobs to do at once |
| 00:21.12 | JefferyM | then I coudl thread that backend :) |
| 00:23.51 | spldart | Yah know... when I run a build my processor stays at power save... like half full speed clock.. I have to get like 7 to 10 processes calling on the cpu at once in order to get windows to clock up to full speed on the cpu... EE 2k8 alone will not do it. |
| 00:24.08 | spldart | BTW.. nice fix |
| 00:24.23 | spldart | ========== Rebuild All: 24 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 skipped ========== |
| 00:24.39 | spldart | lotsa warnings but meh |
| 00:27.02 | spldart | If it will do anyone any good. If not please ignore. :Warnings from this build: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m4088790e |
| 00:29.56 | Will07c5 | I figured out the dead reckoning bug, now to submit a patch |
| 00:31.36 | Will07c5 | I'll probably try fixing another one since that one was stupidly simple :P |
| 00:44.18 | JefferyM | Will07c5, what was the problem with it? |
| 00:44.42 | JefferyM | spldart, the error is that it can't write a file |
| 00:45.45 | Will07c5 | when it checked to see if the tank hit the ground there was a < instead of a <= |
| 00:46.00 | JefferyM | what line? |
| 00:47.12 | Will07c5 | 1298 in Player.cxx |
| 00:47.21 | Will07c5 | I submitted the patch |
| 00:47.36 | Will07c5 | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2710713&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 00:48.43 | JefferyM | how did you do the testing on it? |
| 00:49.07 | Will07c5 | printf statements :P |
| 00:49.24 | JefferyM | well 1) I mean with multiple clients and 2) dude, use a debuger |
| 00:49.56 | Will07c5 | I used multiple clients |
| 00:50.14 | JefferyM | what was the effect you saw before you made the change? |
| 00:50.16 | Erroneous | how much lag between them? |
| 00:50.32 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 00:50.41 | JefferyM | was it all local |
| 00:50.42 | Erroneous | try with at least 300ms lag |
| 00:50.55 | Erroneous | iirc the prediction is pretty wrong |
| 00:50.56 | JefferyM | cus I agree with the change, but I don't think that one thing is all of the DR problem |
| 00:51.19 | Will07c5 | how can I make them have 300ms lag? |
| 00:51.22 | Erroneous | you don't start seeing DR bugs until you get some decent latency |
| 00:51.27 | Erroneous | use a remote server |
| 00:51.29 | JefferyM | Will07c5, use a remote server :) |
| 00:51.35 | Will07c5 | I did :) |
| 00:51.39 | Erroneous | or introduce artificial lag on your end |
| 00:51.51 | JefferyM | all your change will do is cause the tank to go one "update" below the ground before it snaps up |
| 00:52.13 | JefferyM | it's not going to affect the path in falling, where I belive you see the largest error |
| 00:52.22 | Erroneous | if your ping to the server was at least 150ms, then you had at least 300ms round trip lag, and that's fine |
| 00:52.38 | JefferyM | sorry, your change prevent us from going one update into the ground then snaping back |
| 00:52.57 | JefferyM | and tha'ts going to be hidden by the squish of landing |
| 00:53.00 | Will07c5 | none of the servers have that much lag |
| 00:53.09 | JefferyM | what was the lag? |
| 00:53.16 | Will07c5 | 54 |
| 00:54.15 | JefferyM | I'm not sure you saw the actual DR bug then |
| 00:54.15 | Will07c5 | ok |
| 00:54.15 | JefferyM | but still it's a good oversight to find :) |
| 00:54.51 | Will07c5 | basically what I saw was the tank would hit the ground then would be above the ground for a split second and then be on the ground |
| 00:55.38 | Will07c5 | so anyway is someone going to tell me how to introduce artificial lag? |
| 00:55.53 | Erroneous | what os? |
| 00:55.58 | Will07c5 | windows |
| 00:56.32 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19526 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: stop falling when we hit the ground, not when we just get below it ( thanks William Hahne ) |
| 00:56.49 | Erroneous | hm. not sure we have a good solution then, might have to write something. alternatively, find a server with more lag (like one in Europe) ;) |
| 00:57.43 | Will07c5 | hmm |
| 00:57.56 | JefferyM | download something big in the background ;) |
| 00:58.04 | Will07c5 | the server with the highest lag is 63 |
| 00:58.10 | Will07c5 | I could try that |
| 00:58.22 | Erroneous | yeah, we may not have any trunk servers running in europe right now, unfortunately |
| 00:58.24 | JefferyM | download VC 2008 EE, that'll take a while :) |
| 00:58.51 | Will07c5 | I could try torrenting something |
| 00:58.53 | JefferyM | or run a speed test from broadbandreports.com in the background |
| 00:58.54 | Erroneous | if you're running through a router that supports it, you can turn on network buffering |
| 00:59.08 | JefferyM | there are lots of ways to add lag |
| 00:59.15 | JefferyM | use wireless :) |
| 00:59.18 | Erroneous | most consumer routers don't, 'cause it sucks...introduces lag ;) |
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| 01:01.09 | JefferyM | svn update the full bzflag tree in the background :) |
| 01:01.31 | Will07c5 | is curl fixed on windows? |
| 01:01.42 | JefferyM | built for me :) |
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| 01:05.29 | Erroneous | if you're interested in a technical solution, you can use DLL injection to override the windsock send and receive methods to buffer for a certain amount of time |
| 01:05.40 | Erroneous | winsock even |
| 01:06.15 | Erroneous | but we don't have anything "ready-made" for that |
| 01:06.28 | JefferyM | hmmm.. I wonder why BulletCatcher didn't include all the files in the curl distro |
| 01:06.35 | JefferyM | they have a working vcproj |
| 01:06.45 | Erroneous | we can't use their vcproj anyway |
| 01:06.53 | JefferyM | cus of ares |
| 01:06.59 | Erroneous | and staticness |
| 01:06.59 | JefferyM | but we can probalby modify it :) |
| 01:07.16 | Erroneous | sure...and it would be even easier to diff for changes |
| 01:07.33 | JefferyM | that is harder then it sounds |
| 01:07.37 | JefferyM | I have to get to there repo and do it |
| 01:07.53 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: you told me to use a debugger, normally I would, but I don't know how you get visual studio to break at a specific point in time from within the game |
| 01:07.57 | JefferyM | cus our linux devs didn't include the files in our tree :( |
| 01:08.07 | Erroneous | if we checked it in every time, we could, though |
| 01:08.09 | JefferyM | Will07c5, F9 |
| 01:08.23 | Will07c5 | thanks |
| 01:08.25 | JefferyM | Erroneous, or if we just you know didn't exclude the friggin files :) |
| 01:08.38 | Erroneous | JefferyM: yeah, that's what I mean :) |
| 01:08.55 | JefferyM | Will07c5, there is also that wonderfull "Debug" menu, explore it, love it |
| 01:10.09 | Will07c5 | sorry normally I use eclipse + gdb so I don't know as much about visual studio |
| 01:10.26 | JefferyM | you can compile bzflag on liunux |
| 01:10.34 | JefferyM | then you could use gdb :) |
| 01:10.41 | Will07c5 | no linux on this computer :( |
| 01:10.43 | Erroneous | you can on windows too |
| 01:10.49 | Erroneous | eclipse+gdb, I mean |
| 01:10.58 | Will07c5 | yeah I know |
| 01:10.59 | Erroneous | a bit bizarre to set up, but it will work |
| 01:11.00 | JefferyM | this is true, it's just a little more tedius to setup |
| 01:11.12 | Will07c5 | but visual studio was handy so I've been using that |
| 01:11.21 | JefferyM | it is indeed |
| 01:11.22 | Erroneous | mingw+msys is more straightforward on windows if you're big on gdb |
| 01:11.26 | JefferyM | it has a very nice debuger |
| 01:11.38 | Erroneous | but VS is a really nice tool :) |
| 01:11.49 | JefferyM | homeward bounds |
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| 01:12.32 | delusional | no errors or warnings in my OSX build at all... but sunday when i started with completely new source, i had those warnings about symbols being defined more than once, that bulletcatcher mentioned this morning. ....sure has been windy in here lately. |
| 01:13.10 | trepan | which symbols? |
| 01:13.38 | delusional | linkers... one moment... |
| 01:14.43 | delusional | i dont have that info.. ask bulletcatcher, |
| 01:14.59 | delusional | i suppose i could get new source again, if you want me to. |
| 01:15.44 | trepan | make distclean ? |
| 01:15.59 | trepan | actually, just remove the execs (if it's linkage errors) |
| 01:16.17 | trepan | rm src/bzflag/bzflag; make |
| 01:17.23 | delusional | I use the xcodeproj, .... what the hay, I'll start new and make a pastebin when it's ready |
| 01:17.59 | trepan | remove the exec, and press GO, or whatever you do for xcodeproj |
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| 01:47.00 | delusional | here you go trepan, I got all new source. |
| 01:47.42 | delusional | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m75b1ed1a |
| 01:47.43 | trepan | 30 minutes instead of 15 seconds ;-) |
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| 01:48.38 | delusional | i reserve the right to do dishes during a compile. |
| 01:48.46 | trepan | "symbols being defined more then once" ? |
| 01:49.09 | delusional | I just report, I dont do analysis |
| 01:49.51 | trepan | that's what you reported ... but where did you find it? |
| 01:51.43 | delusional | maybe bulletcatcher fixed it since sunday |
| 01:52.48 | trepan | sounds reasonable |
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| 02:04.45 | brlcad | delusional: the SDLmain.m is probably because you're on 10.5? -- either way, it's fairly benign and will get fixed when we upgrade our sdlmain |
| 02:06.21 | brlcad | those ranlib warnings are benign, and the libtool warning is similarly benign (though knowing which lib would help there) |
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| 02:28.52 | Carnage00 | is there an admin for bztanks.net "incomming" map, a player keeps using f5 to go through walls |
| 02:29.41 | PositiveG | is it zerosk8er? |
| 02:30.31 | Carnage00 | the black diamond |
| 02:30.33 | PositiveG | Swigg is on |
| 02:30.40 | PositiveG | black diamond? wow |
| 02:31.00 | delusional | brlcad, you got me thinking (imagine that) and I fixed the libtool warning myself... I NOW have libtool 1.5.22 |
| 02:31.02 | Carnage00 | he does everytime is has flag to get outside of base |
| 02:31.05 | Carnage00 | swigg is afk |
| 02:32.13 | PositiveG | ah |
| 02:32.15 | PositiveG | I see |
| 02:32.31 | PositiveG | try #bztank |
| 02:36.10 | Carnage00 | so many #'s |
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| 03:00.51 | bfly2000 | hey im interested in the gsoc project is there anyone around i can talk to? |
| 03:01.00 | JeffM | sure |
| 03:01.41 | JeffM | you can talk here |
| 03:01.44 | JeffM | we do it all public |
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| 03:01.54 | bfly2000 | oh |
| 03:01.55 | bfly2000 | ok |
| 03:01.57 | JeffM | and dcc? like it needs to be secure ;) |
| 03:02.23 | bfly2000 | ive never really used mirc before haha |
| 03:02.27 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:02.37 | JeffM | what ideas were you interested in? |
| 03:02.56 | bfly2000 | well im looking at the easy ones, liek modularization of logic and such |
| 03:03.08 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:03.17 | JeffM | tho I think the openGL one will be simpler |
| 03:03.19 | bfly2000 | but basically right now im just wondering if i have the ability to contribute |
| 03:03.26 | JeffM | it's eaiser to find GL code then 'game' code |
| 03:03.32 | JeffM | sure, anyone can |
| 03:03.35 | bfly2000 | because right now i only have experience with java |
| 03:03.44 | bfly2000 | but im taking C++ in spring |
| 03:03.53 | JeffM | well we don't have any java code |
| 03:04.09 | JeffM | but C++ isn't that hard |
| 03:04.12 | bfly2000 | im just wondering if ill be able to transition that quickly |
| 03:04.17 | bfly2000 | like from a class enviroment |
| 03:04.19 | JeffM | that's up to you |
| 03:04.29 | JeffM | we use classes ;) |
| 03:04.48 | bfly2000 | oh i meant school enviroment, to the real thing |
| 03:04.50 | bfly2000 | like a dev team |
| 03:04.51 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:04.54 | JeffM | it's a change |
| 03:05.04 | JeffM | you don't go off and do a proejct and come back when you are done |
| 03:05.07 | JeffM | it's day to day work |
| 03:05.12 | JeffM | commiting as you go |
| 03:05.24 | bfly2000 | i plan to have a lot of free time to devote to it |
| 03:05.29 | bfly2000 | since id see it as a job |
| 03:05.34 | JeffM | that is a plus |
| 03:05.57 | bfly2000 | but i dont have much to show in terms of past experience, which it seems most others do |
| 03:06.11 | Will07c5 | JeffM: I think the confusion regarding the dead reckoning bug was because I actually had already reproduced the bug in question but mistakenly thought I had fixed it :P (yes I did test, there just must've been too little lag at the time) |
| 03:06.30 | JeffM | bfly2000: you would need a strong appplication, and a good patch. |
| 03:06.50 | JeffM | Will07c5: yeah that's what I figured, it was still a good thing to find :) |
| 03:07.01 | JeffM | just not the entire ball of wax :) |
| 03:07.21 | JeffM | bfly2000: there are other projects that use more java |
| 03:07.32 | JeffM | IIRC thousand parsec has a java client |
| 03:09.16 | bfly2000 | well the reason i was interested in this project, is it seemed like it had a few easier project ideas that would be a good starting point, but seeing as id be getting the C++ language down right before gsoc started, id have no way of really writing a strong patch |
| 03:09.22 | bfly2000 | but thank you for your time |
| 03:09.32 | JeffM | sure thing |
| 03:09.40 | JeffM | I'm sure you can find a project that fits your needs :) |
| 03:09.53 | JeffM | don't forget you can propose your own ideas |
| 03:10.02 | JeffM | you don't have to pick from the list a project publishes |
| 03:10.11 | JeffM | the TP guys are great, I'd take a look at them |
| 03:10.54 | JeffM | it is a strategy game tho :) |
| 03:11.07 | bfly2000 | haha i definitely will thanks |
| 03:13.05 | bfly2000 | hey jeff, if i were able to throw together a simple patch this week, would that suffice, untill i got some better training this spring from my C++ course? |
| 03:13.29 | JeffM | hard to say |
| 03:13.42 | bfly2000 | the only reason im pushing C++ is because it seems to be much more of an industry standard |
| 03:13.56 | bfly2000 | and therefore much more viable |
| 03:13.58 | JeffM | we've had some bad luck in the past with students who ended up not knowing the languages they said they knew. |
| 03:14.08 | bfly2000 | ahh |
| 03:14.08 | JeffM | we don't really want to be teaching you C++ as we go |
| 03:14.14 | JeffM | but anything IS possible |
| 03:14.33 | JeffM | I'm not saying it'll count you out 100% but it would be a weak point on the application |
| 03:14.54 | bfly2000 | alright well ill try some things out and see, thanks for the help |
| 03:14.57 | JeffM | specialy for the code cleanup project, as that involves lots of C++ |
| 03:15.09 | JeffM | java is a VERY popular language, I'm sure you can find something |
| 03:15.17 | JeffM | and nothing says you can't come back to us next year :) |
| 03:15.25 | JeffM | or even after you feel more confident in C++ |
| 03:15.41 | bfly2000 | thats true, i may have to do that, or at least work in java this year |
| 03:15.54 | JeffM | but if you only have time to do a couple applications and you feel stronger in java, I personaly would go for a java project. |
| 03:17.34 | bfly2000 | yeah it seems like thats the best choice right now |
| 03:17.45 | bfly2000 | thanks good luck with the project |
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| 03:23.18 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * passed 'arguments' to custom map objects |
| 03:23.18 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: (text which follows the opening token, on the same line, |
| 03:23.18 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: ex: teleporter <args> \n body \n end) |
| 03:24.09 | Will07c5 | JeffM: I think you misunderstood my question about debugging when you answered F9 since that just sets a breakpoint (still useful since I didn't know the shortcut) I was looking for something more along the lines of being able to pause the game so I could look at the values right when the dead reckoning fails |
| 03:24.42 | JeffM | you don't really need to pause it do you? |
| 03:25.09 | Will07c5 | no pausing isn't required (since printf worked without pausing) |
| 03:25.12 | JeffM | you can use the "Break all" item to stop all threads and break the code where it is |
| 03:25.31 | JeffM | then step allong untill you get to where you need to be |
| 03:27.15 | Will07c5 | the problem is that by the time I've alt-tabed out of the window and hit the button or even pressed the shortcut the jump is over |
| 03:27.39 | JeffM | then the only other thing I can think of would be a conditional breakpoint |
| 03:28.22 | Will07c5 | that is what I've been hunting for in the menus |
| 03:28.40 | JeffM | you open the breakpoints window |
| 03:28.46 | JeffM | after you set the breakpoint you can set conditions for it |
| 03:30.59 | Will07c5 | hmm... I'm not seeing the breakpoints window in the view menu, are you using VS 2008? |
| 03:31.29 | JeffM | yes but not in the same language you are using, let me bring up bz |
| 03:31.56 | Will07c5 | I'm just going to look through the documentation like I should've initially |
| 03:32.20 | JeffM | you probably have to be IN the debuger |
| 03:32.28 | JeffM | I usualy just have it docked at a tab |
| 03:32.40 | Will07c5 | oh leave it to microsoft to complicate things like that |
| 03:32.41 | JeffM | ahh there it is |
| 03:32.49 | JeffM | debug -> windows -> breakpoints |
| 03:32.52 | JeffM | well it's a debug only window |
| 03:33.04 | JeffM | not an "all the time" one so it's under debug |
| 03:34.04 | Will07c5 | I'm not debugging right now and I can see it |
| 03:34.17 | JeffM | do you have a debug menu at the top of the screen? |
| 03:34.22 | Will07c5 | yes |
| 03:34.32 | JeffM | is tehre a windows item in that menu? |
| 03:34.33 | Will07c5 | I found the window I am just complaining about MS now |
| 03:34.34 | Will07c5 | :P |
| 03:34.37 | JeffM | should be the first item? |
| 03:34.41 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:34.51 | JeffM | it should list all the breakpoints |
| 03:35.02 | JeffM | why don't you just install ubuntu or something? |
| 03:35.56 | Will07c5 | laziness |
| 03:36.09 | Will07c5 | I actually downloaded it when I was trying to increase latency |
| 03:36.37 | JeffM | I mean if you are more comfortable in it |
| 03:36.41 | JeffM | it's cake to install |
| 03:36.44 | Will07c5 | I just need to burn it to a cd and move all the files off my second partition |
| 03:36.55 | JeffM | install it as a file on windows |
| 03:36.59 | JeffM | no need to partition :) |
| 03:37.11 | Will07c5 | oh damn I forgot you could do that |
| 03:37.14 | Will07c5 | is stupid |
| 03:37.23 | JeffM | that's how my laptop is setup, works fine |
| 03:38.01 | Will07c5 | well I think I'll do that since ubuntu > vista |
| 03:38.14 | JeffM | in your opinion :) |
| 03:38.20 | Will07c5 | true |
| 03:38.22 | Will07c5 | :P |
| 03:39.09 | Will07c5 | actually ubuntu 8.10 is worse than vista on this computer since it crashes constantly and vista never crashes |
| 03:39.27 | JeffM | what kinda machine is it? |
| 03:39.34 | Will07c5 | lenovo t61p |
| 03:39.39 | JeffM | how much ram? |
| 03:39.43 | Will07c5 | 3 GB |
| 03:39.52 | JeffM | little low for good vista use |
| 03:40.04 | Will07c5 | never been a problem for me :) |
| 03:40.28 | JeffM | it's a bit low for a dev system I should say |
| 03:40.47 | JeffM | 4-8 with vista an Visual Studio makes me happy |
| 03:41.04 | JeffM | but getting that in a laptop would be "fun" |
| 03:42.16 | Will07c5 | I usually don't have trouble running 3-4 instances of visual studio along with a few firefox windows and a bunch of tabs |
| 03:42.38 | JeffM | depends on how big the thing you are developing in visual studio is ;) |
| 03:42.56 | Will07c5 | yeah I guess that is a major factor |
| 03:43.15 | Will07c5 | a lot of the projects I'm working on aren't that large |
| 03:43.41 | JeffM | what else do you work on? |
| 03:44.08 | Will07c5 | I'm currently working on a game with a few people at my school |
| 03:44.17 | JeffM | cool, what kind of game? |
| 03:45.03 | Will07c5 | it is kind of a survival horror game but you basically play as a blind guy who can "see" with sound (think daredevil) |
| 03:45.15 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:45.42 | Will07c5 | currently it lacks gameplay, since we wanted a nice looking demo to impress people and get them to join us :P |
| 03:50.50 | Will07c5 | anyway don't think that I can't be dedicated to bzflag because of this ;) |
| 03:51.02 | JeffM | never crossed my mind |
| 03:51.07 | JeffM | just curious |
| 03:52.44 | Will07c5 | anyway would you might taking a look at my opengl modularization proposal since I think it got overlooked when we were discussing bzwb? |
| 03:52.52 | Will07c5 | mind* |
| 03:55.00 | JeffM | it's rather weak |
| 03:55.06 | JeffM | and says the same thing over and over again |
| 03:55.26 | Will07c5 | ok |
| 03:55.29 | JeffM | also the order of progress is basicly wrong |
| 03:55.40 | JeffM | you should be able to split the stuff out bit by bit |
| 03:55.43 | JeffM | testing as you go |
| 03:55.51 | JeffM | then refactor the API as you go |
| 03:55.59 | Will07c5 | ah |
| 03:56.18 | JeffM | the way you have it' you are doing more of a "Go away, write code, come back and DUMP code" |
| 03:56.35 | JeffM | then test to see if you broke it |
| 03:56.42 | JeffM | to do it that way you'd be in your own branch |
| 03:56.49 | JeffM | cus it'd take you weeks for each step |
| 03:57.04 | Will07c5 | hmm... good advice |
| 03:57.04 | JeffM | where if you move it bit by bit, adding to your API as you move code, you are always buildable and current |
| 03:57.25 | JeffM | nothing says all the code has to move at once :) |
| 03:57.34 | Will07c5 | yeah I think I didn't think that over carefully enough :) |
| 03:58.04 | JeffM | you also have to remember that if you just plop down a new API or reorg in the code, few other developers will undertand it |
| 03:58.08 | JeffM | and they won't use it |
| 03:58.21 | JeffM | where if you do it over time, people get used to the methods, and it's easier to transition |
| 03:59.02 | Will07c5 | that makes a lot of sense (btw there is a big storm here so my power might go out) |
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| 04:36.50 | blast007 | Cygal: (I'm still reading all the scrollback, so this may have been answered) But I think the "two clients join, one leaves, server crashes" bug might be fixed now, as of a day or two ago |
| 04:57.44 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Will07c5 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5623 10/w/User:Will07c5: /* Draft Proposal for Modularization of OpenGL code */ |
| 04:58.35 | Will07c5 | I did some revision on my proposal, it isn't complete yet but I want to know if I'm on the right track before I continue |
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| 05:28.43 | Will07c5 | JeffM: ping :) |
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| 08:45.37 | Cygal | blast007: really? I did not see such a fix on svn since a week, but maybe. I'll check if I can reproduce it using two ips a brlcad said |
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| 09:35.12 | tupone | hmm ... why not using remainderf(currentRot, m_pi_2) (maybe some platform does not support it) |
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| 11:07.44 | Cygal | tupone: because remainderf(181,1) would say 1 |
| 11:07.50 | Cygal | the correct answer is -179 |
| 11:08.10 | Cygal | *remainderf(181.0f,180.0f) |
| 11:08.47 | Cygal | but it seems to be posix indeed. |
| 11:11.37 | tupone | remainderf(181,360) you mean |
| 11:12.22 | Cygal | indeed. |
| 11:12.29 | tupone | and check the result |
| 11:12.45 | tupone | I have not tested but man says (IIIC) -179 |
| 11:13.11 | Cygal | hey |
| 11:13.22 | Cygal | you're right indeed :) |
| 11:13.34 | Cygal | sorry |
| 11:13.55 | Cygal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.29 | tupone | drem too? |
| 11:15.05 | Cygal | drem? |
| 11:15.32 | tupone | Obsolete synonyms |
| 11:15.46 | tupone | float dremf(float x, float y); |
| 11:16.22 | Cygal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.30 | Cygal | according to (http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gnulib/dremf.html) |
| 11:17.00 | tupone | maybe we can test for it and write a macro in common.h if missing |
| 11:17.08 | tupone | or in some othe rplace |
| 11:17.32 | tupone | have to check autoconf manual |
| 11:18.27 | Cygal | trepan: what do you think? |
| 11:19.10 | Cygal | leave |
| 11:19.13 | Cygal | s |
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| 11:57.03 | ts | Ciao tupone |
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| 12:37.30 | tupone | ts: halo |
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| 13:27.14 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r19528 10/trunk/bzflag/src/net/Pack.cxx: Quell type conversion warning in GCC 4.03 |
| 13:30.00 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19529 10/trunk/bzflag/src/net/Pack.cxx: * simplify ;-) |
| 13:30.50 | Thumper_ | trepan: heh I figured it wasn't worth bugging you with that detail |
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| 14:02.17 | trepan | Thumper_: a copy-&-paste oops :) |
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| 14:18.06 | Thumper_ | trepan: thx. I wasn't sure if that was the case or not since it compiles fine in newer versions of GCC |
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| 15:20.22 | nightstrike | hello brlcad, I'd like to fix bug ID 2494613, can you give me a few directions first? |
| 15:21.49 | joevano | nightstrike: what kind of directions you looking for? |
| 15:22.38 | nightstrike | the logic for pausing is in playing.cxx? |
| 15:22.49 | nightstrike | src/bzflag/playing.cxx? |
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| 15:47.27 | blast007 | Cygal: There was a null check added here: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx?r1=19502&r2=19501&pathrev=19502 |
| 15:47.40 | blast007 | but that might have just masked the problem instead of fixing it |
| 15:48.00 | blast007 | try taking that change out and see if you get a crash then |
| 15:48.51 | blast007 | when I was doing some other test, I noticed the client wasn't receiving the data in the same order that the server should have been sending it (server sent a MsgAddPlayer, and then a MsgPlayerData, but the client received them in the other order) |
| 15:48.58 | blast007 | haven't had time to look into that further |
| 15:55.45 | nightstrike | can someone point me to the code which cancels the pause countdown? |
| 15:56.13 | blast007 | grep -ri 'pause' . |
| 15:56.19 | nightstrike | my 'find . -exec grep' statements are becoming complicated :| |
| 15:57.26 | blast007 | were you able to reproduce that bug? |
| 15:57.38 | blast007 | (with the latest SVN code) |
| 16:03.29 | Cygal | blast007: use cscope |
| 16:03.43 | Cygal | doesn't work that bad for C++ code |
| 16:04.30 | blast007 | neither does Visual C++ ;) |
| 16:05.16 | Cygal | sory |
| 16:05.19 | Cygal | nightstrike: use cscope |
| 16:05.20 | Cygal | :) |
| 16:05.22 | Cygal | sorry* |
| 16:05.30 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 16:16.36 | nightstrike | blast007: it works at times, but not always |
| 16:17.06 | nightstrike | according to the bug, when i hit pause and then cancel the countdown, the flag's supposed to go up in the air right? |
| 16:17.46 | nightstrike | oops... hold on |
| 16:18.37 | blast007 | think it's supposed to just vanish and respawn somewhere else |
| 16:18.54 | blast007 | (well, not *supposed* to, but that's what the bug causes) ;D |
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| 16:23.15 | nightstrike | true |
| 16:23.34 | nightstrike | and it isn't 'dropping' flags even upon pausing and resuming |
| 16:23.38 | nightstrike | flags are disappearing then as well |
| 16:33.51 | trepan | nightstrike: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/cgrep |
| 16:34.39 | trepan | (i actually use a lua variant of the above these days, with pretty colors :) |
| 16:35.15 | nightstrike | I normally use 'find . -name *.cxx -exec grep "<pattern>" '{}' \; -print' |
| 16:35.49 | trepan | and i'd use: 'cgrep pattern' easier, no? |
| 16:35.55 | nightstrike | hehe |
| 16:36.07 | nightstrike | kinda used to the former :) |
| 16:36.37 | trepan | some habits are worth breaking :) |
| 16:39.40 | nightstrike | when I run './bzflag -solo 5', and I join a game, the bots sign off immediately... is this because the server has disabled bots? or is it something else? |
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| 18:05.15 | nightstrike | can someone please suggest a bug I can fix? Something relatively self contained? |
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| 18:06.26 | blast007 | are you trying to fix a bug to satisfy the patch requirement of the application? |
| 18:07.03 | nightstrike | yes |
| 18:07.26 | blast007 | because it doesn't necessarily have to be a bug fix. It could be some other change that shows you know how to navigate around a large source tree and figure out what does what. |
| 18:08.13 | nightstrike | I've done a silly typo correction through some 3 files. So I can say I 'have' a patch |
| 18:08.25 | nightstrike | Let me see if I can fix any of the FIXMEs |
| 18:08.55 | blast007 | [15:58:08] <@JefferyM> we want you to make a patch that is Some modification to our code |
| 18:08.59 | blast007 | [15:58:16] <@JefferyM> so we know you can build, run, and code, etc.. |
| 18:09.01 | blast007 | [15:58:20] <@JefferyM> it's a basic skills test |
| 18:09.36 | blast007 | just fixing typos probably wouldn't rank you very highly ;) |
| 18:09.51 | blast007 | that just shows you know how to spell, not necessarily code |
| 18:10.23 | nightstrike | yeah I know |
| 18:10.39 | blast007 | were you able to find anything out about the pause issue? |
| 18:10.39 | nightstrike | I'll find something... |
| 18:11.09 | nightstrike | not able to figure out which part of the code is dealing with with pause cancellation |
| 18:11.25 | nightstrike | then I looked into the bug where the robots in the same team, repeat whatever you say in the teamchat |
| 18:12.00 | nightstrike | trying to figure out how the chatting thing works now |
| 18:16.44 | blast007 | did you reproduce the chatting issue? |
| 18:17.14 | blast007 | (I'd recommend running a local server with at least -d so you get debug output) |
| 18:17.45 | blast007 | you can join that local server with bots by passing -solo 8 (or however many bots you want) to the bzflag client |
| 18:21.03 | nightstrike | I did reproduce the chatting issue |
| 18:21.09 | nightstrike | but I found a good thing to fix |
| 18:21.46 | nightstrike | will get back here when I'm done |
| 18:21.58 | blast007 | k |
| 18:22.07 | blast007 | what did you find to fix? |
| 18:24.04 | nightstrike | I'm gonna replace RegionPriorityQueue with a heap |
| 18:24.13 | nightstrike | as per the FIXME in RegionPriorityQueue.cxx |
| 18:24.19 | nightstrike | that's allowed right? :D |
| 18:25.46 | blast007 | sure :) |
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| 18:28.18 | CBG | That sure is a cunning plan... Make them do half the work before they get paid..! xD Silly students.... :P |
| 18:29.42 | blast007 | CBG: hehe... half the work? ;) |
| 18:29.44 | joevano | CBG: you applying? |
| 18:30.10 | CBG | No point wasting your time. I know you guys have got enough problems. :P |
| 18:31.45 | JefferyM | nightstrike, you can make any modification to the code if you want |
| 18:31.55 | JefferyM | if you cant' think of one, we'll assign you one |
| 18:32.03 | nightstrike | let me try this out first |
| 18:32.06 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:32.09 | nightstrike | heap based priority queue |
| 18:32.33 | JefferyM | the problem with a lot of the bugs is they may not be reproducable |
| 18:32.47 | JefferyM | so actualy coding up some enahcnment or new feature will be just as good |
| 18:33.22 | JefferyM | add a new flag that has it's shot end in a shockwave, or has a zig zag path :) |
| 18:33.35 | blast007 | lol |
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| 18:34.07 | JefferyM | it dosn't have to be somethign we'll accept into the mainline, just something to show that you can use "the stuff" |
| 18:34.39 | JefferyM | and I'd be more impressed with a new flag patch then somethign that just fixed a small bug that just changed a == to a != or something |
| 18:35.01 | JefferyM | since the flag patch would show that the person understands client/server and the basics of the gameplay system |
| 18:35.01 | CBG | JefferyM: such a small change can make a huge difference. ;) |
| 18:35.37 | JefferyM | CBG, yes, but any of us can find and fix those bugs, it dosn't demonstrate the applicants skill to me |
| 18:36.02 | joevano | especially something like CBG==good and CBG!=good... bet you can't fix that one JefferyM |
| 18:36.32 | JefferyM | actualy I'm fairly certain I could togle the state from good to bad with just a few lines of chat :) |
| 18:36.35 | joevano | or maybe you can :P |
| 18:36.35 | JefferyM | not that I'd want to |
| 18:37.29 | CBG | Heh. |
| 18:38.02 | CBG | But nothing beats making yourself invincible by changing a == to a !=. :P |
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| 19:07.26 | ts | I tried out svn trunk and my FPS are locked at 199, I don't remember what the reason was. Could someone please enlighten me? |
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| 19:08.40 | blast007 | ts: the FPS is limited to 200 |
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| 19:14.18 | ts | blast007: It's limited to 199 but I wonder why |
| 19:18.24 | ts | If it should be locked I would vote to 180 or 240 |
| 19:19.10 | blast007 | why? |
| 19:19.40 | blast007 | if you don't want tearing, you vsync |
| 19:19.44 | blast007 | use* |
| 19:20.06 | blast007 | locking it to a multiple of 60 won't fix tearing |
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| 19:25.08 | ts | Well, most LCD based TFTs work internally with 60Hz, vsynch can cause massive framedrops |
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| 19:31.59 | blast007 | ts: so what would forcing the limit to 180 or 240 do? |
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| 19:52.01 | ts | blast007: I thought it would prevent tearing.. |
| 19:52.07 | blast007 | not really |
| 19:52.16 | blast007 | it would just make the tear not move as much |
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| 19:54.05 | ts | blast007: If the FPS is something like 3 times the native refresh rate, why would there be tearing? |
| 19:55.52 | blast007 | because you're not syncing it to the drawing of the video card |
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| 19:59.40 | ts | Ah, I see |
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| 20:02.07 | catay | meh |
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| 21:37.28 | Yassen | I have a question about BZAdmin: Does BZFS send BZAdmin everything it would send the client, just that BZAdmin ignores the stuff it doesn't handle such as player updates? |
| 21:38.04 | a_meteorite | I believe bzfs treats bzadmin exactly as a client, yes |
| 21:38.18 | Yassen | okay, thanks |
| 21:38.20 | a_meteorite | an observer client of course, but that still means it gets lots of extra info |
| 21:49.08 | spldart | I believe you are correct A_meteor.... I seem to recall someone wanting to modify bzadmin to utilizing more of the full client observer info but it was never followed through on.. IIRC it was a daft idea. |
| 21:56.08 | a_meteorite | I was going to say so too, but I wasn't 100% sure if that was my idea or someone else's :D |
| 22:04.22 | Erroneous | trunk only sends bzadmin a subset of the messages it sends to a full client |
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| 22:18.11 | a_meteorite | ah |
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| 22:25.03 | [BCN]Baconizer | greetings |
| 22:25.05 | spldart | Ooops.. was assuming 2.0.x |
| 22:25.29 | spldart | I do that to much |
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| 22:38.31 | JefferyM | buys himself a new laptop |
| 22:41.31 | [BCN]Baconizer | ooh |
| 22:41.33 | [BCN]Baconizer | what kind? |
| 22:41.51 | JefferyM | msi wind |
| 22:42.30 | TD-Linux | when it comes, tell me how awesome netbooks are |
| 22:42.31 | thresh | too bad lenovo doesnt update thinkpads |
| 22:42.40 | TD-Linux | but they do |
| 22:42.43 | TD-Linux | or they did |
| 22:42.53 | TD-Linux | is on a t61p |
| 22:42.57 | thresh | hmm, maybe it's russian site that is outdated |
| 22:43.16 | JefferyM | if best buy dosn't lie to me, I can go pick it up sometime today |
| 22:43.33 | thresh | grrr |
| 22:43.58 | thresh | bloody russian site, models from 2007 |
| 22:44.47 | JefferyM | TD-Linux, I don't belive it will be any kind of "awesome" computer, just very portable and convinent for some things |
| 22:44.52 | JefferyM | and hella cheap :) |
| 22:46.50 | TD-Linux | portable and convenient = awesome |
| 22:47.12 | JefferyM | it's the same size as my friends HP netbook and he likes his |
| 22:47.42 | JefferyM | but larger then the little EEE |
| 22:47.49 | Epyon | JefferyM, why not Samsung NC10? |
| 22:47.50 | JefferyM | I can't type on the EEE |
| 22:48.20 | Epyon | It's not much more expensive but a lot better quality |
| 22:48.38 | JefferyM | Epyon, looks to have identical hardware |
| 22:48.57 | Epyon | Yes, but the quality of the product is much higher |
| 22:48.59 | TD-Linux | my t61p is much like the macbook pro |
| 22:49.02 | TD-Linux | except way uglier |
| 22:49.04 | TD-Linux | and half the price |
| 22:49.06 | Epyon | Doesn't feel like a plastic toy |
| 22:49.13 | JefferyM | nor did the MSI |
| 22:49.17 | JefferyM | I went and looked at it first |
| 22:49.25 | JefferyM | the EEE feels like a toy, that's for sure |
| 22:49.39 | JefferyM | I'm also not a huge samsung fan |
| 22:51.05 | JefferyM | an ambiguous statement of "quality" with out specifics isn't worth 140$ to me |
| 22:51.15 | JefferyM | that's nearly 1/2 the price of the thing in the first place :) |
| 22:51.41 | Epyon | Well, neither was I, but recently they dtarted to do really good quality laptops and lcd's |
| 22:51.58 | JefferyM | then the money is worth it for you |
| 22:52.16 | JefferyM | I have a real laptop for real laptop work, I want something cheap for simple things |
| 22:52.30 | Epyon | Also the battery seems to last longer |
| 22:52.40 | JefferyM | it's a larger battery, so that makes sense :) |
| 22:52.55 | Epyon | And that's a huge advantage for a netbook... |
| 22:53.02 | JefferyM | depends on your use |
| 22:53.03 | Epyon | 140$ more??? |
| 22:53.12 | JefferyM | compared on newegg |
| 22:53.25 | JefferyM | 299 for the wind, 439 for your samsung |
| 22:54.17 | Epyon | Wierd, the wind is like 300$ here, and the samsung I bought for like 380$... |
| 22:54.22 | JefferyM | if I traveled a lot and needed longer times then I agree a 6 cell would be worth it. |
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| 22:54.37 | JefferyM | and I may buy a 6 cell pack for the wind if I need it later |
| 22:54.41 | JefferyM | or just make one |
| 22:54.46 | Epyon | :) |
| 22:55.02 | JefferyM | the big thing was if I could type on it or not |
| 22:55.22 | Epyon | Anyway, I'm quite happy as for now with the NC10, it really does feel like "the real thing" despite it's size and Atom processor |
| 22:55.29 | JefferyM | I pondered the dell mini 12, but the ram is onboard and that made me sad |
| 22:55.59 | Epyon | And the keyboard is barely smaller than that from a normal laptop. Still it's really nice in the touch. |
| 22:56.14 | JefferyM | yeah 85% keyboards |
| 22:56.24 | JefferyM | from the specs I see on newegg, it's nearly identical to the wind |
| 22:58.33 | JefferyM | ahh it has a 93% |
| 22:58.37 | JefferyM | that looks to be the main diff |
| 22:58.51 | Epyon | yep |
| 22:58.55 | JefferyM | still not worth the price for me |
| 22:59.28 | Epyon | The price for me is the quality of the components, I plan on using it for a long while |
| 22:59.34 | JefferyM | good for you |
| 23:00.17 | Epyon | still, I'd advise you to take a look at it live before you decide on the MSI wind :) |
| 23:00.38 | JefferyM | they did not have one there that I saw |
| 23:00.43 | JefferyM | and I've already purchased |
| 23:00.48 | Epyon | Ah |
| 23:00.56 | JefferyM | I do not want to pay much more then 300$ |
| 23:00.59 | Epyon | then sorry, the advertisement was pointless :/ |
| 23:01.15 | Epyon | you wrote "buys" not "bought" :P |
| 23:01.29 | JefferyM | If I was going to go over 400 I'd get a 12 incher |
| 23:01.42 | JefferyM | that is because I was buying it right then ;) |
| 23:01.56 | Epyon | for me the ultra small size was the main advantage |
| 23:02.03 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 23:02.08 | JefferyM | that's why I like the wind |
| 23:02.18 | JefferyM | the EEE was to small |
| 23:02.23 | JefferyM | the acer seems flimsy |
| 23:02.24 | Epyon | it fits a womans handbag :) |
| 23:02.49 | JefferyM | then I'm sure your purse is happy |
| 23:02.57 | JefferyM | I don't personaly carry one |
| 23:03.21 | Epyon | the EEE has a unneccessary small screen and keyboard for it's overall size -- this is where the NC10 got it right |
| 23:03.37 | Epyon | Not for me in this case :P |
| 23:03.43 | JefferyM | you do know they make 10 inch EEE's with the exact same display |
| 23:03.59 | JefferyM | other then that keyboard and there touchpad, the system is identical to he other 10inchers |
| 23:04.14 | JefferyM | it's the same physical size as the wind |
| 23:04.16 | Epyon | I don't like the plastic "feel" of the EEE |
| 23:04.24 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 23:04.34 | JefferyM | but it's also only like 250$ :) |
| 23:04.42 | JefferyM | less if you get the 9 inch |
| 23:04.47 | Epyon | seems like something that would fall apart any moment, the msi wind is better in that regard |
| 23:05.18 | Epyon | the NC10 feels like a normal medium-class laptop but smaller |
| 23:05.36 | JefferyM | I have a normal medium class laptop |
| 23:05.41 | JefferyM | dell 1520 |
| 23:06.14 | Epyon | Well, I don't, I think I'll always be more of a desktop user for primary use -- got too addicted to multiple displays. |
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| 23:15.13 | jorgenpt | Hm. Was someone around here asking about bzrobots / talking about working on bzrobots? |
| 23:15.43 | jorgenpt | I seem to vaguely remember it, plus I have an (old) unread email from a Matt Connew about bzrobots. |
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