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| 02:39.29 | pi31415926535 | do we talk about gsoc in here? |
| 02:39.39 | pi31415926535 | or theres another channel for bzflag? |
| 02:41.04 | MindstormsKid | In here. |
| 02:41.21 | JeffM | yep here |
| 02:42.02 | pi31415926535 | i was curious about Integrated BZFS web interface (aka BZ's WebAdmin plugin) |
| 02:42.10 | JeffM | k |
| 02:42.17 | pi31415926535 | are we supposed to make a web site for this project? |
| 02:42.20 | JeffM | no |
| 02:42.29 | JeffM | it's not really a "site" |
| 02:42.36 | JeffM | the plugin has it's own HTTP server |
| 02:42.46 | JeffM | and generates pages from a template system |
| 02:42.48 | JeffM | but it's pretty basic |
| 02:43.06 | JeffM | the plugin would have to be extended to do a lot more, return more info about the server, have more features etc.. |
| 02:43.16 | JeffM | and then the templates would need to be updated to use those features |
| 02:43.45 | pi31415926535 | i have worked with c, c++, python |
| 02:43.47 | JeffM | part of the proejct would be researching what server owners would want to admin via the web |
| 02:43.50 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 02:43.56 | JeffM | python isn't involved at all |
| 02:44.36 | pi31415926535 | and won the first place in the world at ieee student branch website contest so thats why i was interested in this project |
| 02:44.42 | JeffM | umm ok |
| 02:44.48 | JeffM | the entire plugin is made in C++ |
| 02:45.08 | JeffM | tho most of the HTML comes from the templates |
| 02:45.23 | pi31415926535 | ok JeffM i'll prepare a proposal now for this project |
| 02:45.26 | pi31415926535 | thanks a lot |
| 02:45.30 | JeffM | sure |
| 02:46.01 | JeffM | please submit it as soon as possible, even if its' basic |
| 02:46.05 | JeffM | you can edit it later |
| 02:46.08 | pi31415926535 | ok |
| 02:46.17 | JeffM | time is running out and google wants to get an idea on the number of applications |
| 02:47.03 | ameer | Hi I was wondering im trying just to compile bzflag but getting some errors trying to link to dinput.lib and my dx sdk only has dinput8.lib so I tried linking to that but now im getting some other errors, does anyone know what to do about this? |
| 02:47.14 | pi31415926535 | ok i'll do it right now |
| 02:47.18 | JeffM | ameer: what version of bzflag? |
| 02:47.37 | ameer | 2.0.12 |
| 02:47.54 | JeffM | that's the older codebase, it needs the directX SDK from april 2007 or BEFORE |
| 02:47.58 | ameer | oh okay |
| 02:48.08 | JeffM | later SDKS only work with our dev version 2.99.x |
| 02:48.17 | ameer | thanks I'll get a newer vs then |
| 02:48.39 | JeffM | we have a 2.0.10 binarys for windows on the download site |
| 02:48.47 | JeffM | there isn't any real changes for windows in .12 |
| 02:49.14 | ameer | okay |
| 02:49.46 | JeffM | the 2.0.x codebase is a little bit of a pain to get buildin with the current MS tools, our dev codebase is setup a lot better and builds right out of the box |
| 02:50.16 | JeffM | 2.0.x was built with VisualC++ 2003, and some specific manual setups |
| 02:50.27 | dlgsoc2009 | I'm having some problems compiling the dev version on windows. I just installed the DirectX SDK, but Visual Studio still gives me errors. It can't find, for instance, "dsound.h" and I can't find it in the SDK include directory either. |
| 02:50.43 | JeffM | then you didn't install the SDK ;) |
| 02:50.54 | JeffM | did you install the FULL SDK? |
| 02:51.26 | dlgsoc2009 | I installed the one on the page that the readme pointed to |
| 02:51.51 | dlgsoc2009 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/directx/aa937788.aspx |
| 02:51.53 | JeffM | but when it installed did you have it install evertything or just what you thought it would need? |
| 02:52.11 | dlgsoc2009 | Everything |
| 02:52.28 | JeffM | do you have a folder in a location similar to this? C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft DirectX SDK (March 2009) |
| 02:52.38 | dlgsoc2009 | Yes |
| 02:52.48 | JeffM | is there an include dir in there? |
| 02:52.55 | dlgsoc2009 | Yes |
| 02:53.08 | JeffM | does dsound.h exist in there? |
| 02:53.24 | dlgsoc2009 | No |
| 02:53.31 | JeffM | then your SDK did not install properly |
| 02:53.49 | dlgsoc2009 | Alright, I'll rerun the set up and see if I missed an option |
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| 02:59.43 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: i've submitted it, thanks |
| 03:00.12 | JeffM | have you read our wiki page on what is expected of students? |
| 03:00.41 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: no |
| 03:00.53 | JeffM | you need to |
| 03:01.19 | pi31415926535 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009#Proposal_Ideas i've only found this one |
| 03:01.57 | JeffM | so then you read the link at the top that says "getting started, preparing a submission, and the application process " |
| 03:01.59 | pi31415926535 | you are talking about this one right? http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 03:02.08 | pi31415926535 | ok i'll read it right now |
| 03:02.17 | JeffM | as it sits I pretty much have to mark your application as invald |
| 03:02.26 | JeffM | that is nowhere near enough detail |
| 03:04.00 | dlgsoc2009 | JeffM: Just reinstalled the SDK, verified everything was installed, but dsound.h is still missing |
| 03:04.11 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: then I don't know what to tell you |
| 03:04.14 | JeffM | it installed for me |
| 03:05.56 | JeffM | pi31415926535: as it sits now, you have shown that you don't really understand the proejct at all, I mean that's underastandable given that you've only talked about it here for like 10 min. |
| 03:06.17 | JeffM | we expect our students to do some prework and research and actualy understand what they are proposing. |
| 03:06.33 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: thanks for the help i'm really new to every concept about open source and gsoc. I'm trying to swallow information as much as I can. |
| 03:06.38 | JeffM | specialy on that proejct, as it is the one that was started by the studnet we had to fail last year |
| 03:06.49 | JeffM | pi31415926535: just don't jump the gun too much :) |
| 03:07.05 | JeffM | you've got the app in, so now you can research and expand it |
| 03:07.11 | JeffM | and do all the things the wiki says |
| 03:07.32 | pi31415926535 | i will |
| 03:07.42 | JeffM | how long ago did you learn about SOC? |
| 03:08.10 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: what OS are you on and what version of Visual C++ do you have? |
| 03:08.45 | dlgsoc2009 | XP, using 2008 Express Edition |
| 03:08.52 | JeffM | hmm should be fine |
| 03:10.07 | JeffM | techinaly dsound is being desuported soon, but it's still installed |
| 03:11.32 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: its been approx 3 weeks since i've started to use linux, 2 weeks on IRC and a week for SOC |
| 03:11.52 | JeffM | pi31415926535: any reason you waited so long to come here and talk about the proejct? |
| 03:12.16 | dlgsoc2009 | Oh well. My application probably wouldn't have been accepted anyway. Thanks for the help anyway. |
| 03:12.25 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: why do you say that? |
| 03:13.40 | Will07c5 | dlgsoc2009: maybe you should try an older version of the SDK |
| 03:13.52 | JeffM | hang on, I'm packing up what you need |
| 03:13.55 | JeffM | you are on 32 bit right? |
| 03:13.58 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: i was interested in a specific project in another organisation. i didn't want any other project. but a guy that really knows the stuff talked in the channel. and they are going to give the project to him |
| 03:14.24 | pi31415926535 | so i had to select another project |
| 03:14.31 | JeffM | pi31415926535: they have chosen already, intersting, they arn't suposed to do that, what proejct was it? |
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| 03:15.07 | pi31415926535 | they didn't but they will. because he wrote one of the prerequisities himself that they wanted to complete the project |
| 03:15.22 | pi31415926535 | face recognition support to KDM using PAM |
| 03:15.28 | JeffM | still everyone is suposed to have a chance :) |
| 03:15.32 | JeffM | but ok, fair enough |
| 03:15.48 | JeffM | flesh out that proposal and go through the checklist and you'll have a better shot here. |
| 03:16.10 | dlgsoc2009 | JeffM: Because I know nothing about open source development. I'm completely lost. And yes, I'm on 32-bit. |
| 03:16.23 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: i'm reading (6 AM no sleep i love open source :P) |
| 03:16.34 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: http://www.awesomelaser.com/dsound.zip |
| 03:16.43 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: always a good time to learn :) |
| 03:16.55 | JeffM | pi31415926535: best of luck |
| 03:17.08 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: what idea were you interested in? |
| 03:18.33 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: thank you =) |
| 03:19.11 | spldart | I keep wanting to recite pi 35 more digits when I see his username 8-0 |
| 03:19.16 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:19.49 | dlgsoc2009 | JeffM: Cleaning up the code. The ideas list says that the OpenGL calls and the game logic are mixed together. Separating them seemed like something I could do. |
| 03:20.06 | JeffM | you are going to submit that as one proposal? |
| 03:20.13 | JeffM | cus we see that as 2 proejcts |
| 03:20.17 | dlgsoc2009 | Even if I'm able to get it to compile though, I don't know that I can get familar enough with the code to write a detailed enough proposal by Friday. |
| 03:20.22 | JeffM | 1 to remove the game code, and another to do the GL |
| 03:22.51 | dlgsoc2009 | I was thinking of writing two applications. |
| 03:22.56 | JeffM | ok good |
| 03:23.11 | JeffM | we've had a couple people try to do it as one, and had to have them rework them |
| 03:23.29 | JeffM | did those files get you further in your build? |
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| 03:27.09 | dlgsoc2009 | Yes, thank you. It's linking now |
| 03:27.39 | JeffM | cooleo |
| 03:28.20 | JeffM | one of these days we'll have to ether swap everyone to openAL or mod the backend for windows to use XAudio2 |
| 03:28.30 | JeffM | but that may be wierd cus I think it's managed |
| 03:29.03 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: can you tell me the svn adress for bzflag? |
| 03:29.13 | JeffM | ibot bzsvn |
| 03:29.13 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 03:29.18 | JeffM | bingo bango bongo |
| 03:29.59 | dlgsoc2009 | OK, it looks like the last think I need is curses.h |
| 03:30.10 | JeffM | dlgsoc2009: what build target are you using? |
| 03:30.14 | JeffM | debug or debug distrobution? |
| 03:30.37 | dlgsoc2009 | debug distribution |
| 03:30.42 | JeffM | use debug |
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| 03:30.47 | JeffM | it'll build without curses |
| 03:30.58 | JeffM | distro wants a couple other thigns we use for a full binary build |
| 03:31.03 | JeffM | but you don't need it for basic dev |
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| 03:34.29 | pi31415926535 | ibot bzbugs |
| 03:34.39 | JeffM | dosn't work like that |
| 03:34.48 | pi31415926535 | :) sorry |
| 03:34.54 | JeffM | there is a bugs file, and a bug tracker on sourceforge |
| 03:35.05 | JeffM | but before you make a patch you really need to work on that proposal |
| 03:38.09 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: gsoc is really not that important for me as long as i can contribute to some software |
| 03:38.36 | pi31415926535 | but ofcourse it would be very nice =) |
| 03:39.55 | dlgsoc2009 | Alright got it built |
| 03:39.58 | dlgsoc2009 | thank you |
| 03:40.01 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:40.34 | dlgsoc2009 | So now I just need to familiarize myself with the code to the point where I can write a detailed enough proposal? |
| 03:40.51 | JeffM | you've read the wiki page too right? |
| 03:41.32 | dlgsoc2009 | The Google Summer of Code page? |
| 03:41.43 | JeffM | our wiki page with the checklist for students |
| 03:42.02 | dlgsoc2009 | Yes |
| 03:42.14 | JeffM | cool |
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| 04:03.30 | ParadoxG | I was just wondering approximately how many people are applying for the game logic modularization idea? |
| 04:04.53 | brlcad | ParadoxG: what number would be few enough for you to apply? :) |
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| 04:07.04 | ParadoxG | probably less than a sea of applicants |
| 04:07.56 | JeffM | there is less the a sea then |
| 04:07.58 | JeffM | more like a puddle |
| 04:08.25 | ParadoxG | The main idea is to refactor the existing code then? |
| 04:08.33 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:10.09 | ParadoxG | What if you haven't played the game much? (i.e. and are not very good) |
| 04:10.30 | JeffM | I don't see how that affects coding |
| 04:10.38 | JeffM | it's not like you shoot pointers ;) |
| 04:11.07 | pacman87 | my tank shoots null pointers. segfaults everywhere! |
| 04:12.04 | ParadoxG | Lol, I guess by the end of the summer I'll be great with all the testing I'll have to do :) |
| 04:13.43 | JeffM | it's just refactoring |
| 04:13.52 | JeffM | what the code is "suposed" to do is already there |
| 04:20.38 | ParadoxG | Thanks everyone, goodnight! |
| 04:20.44 | JeffM | haev fun |
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| 04:36.53 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: my machine is still compiling since i've talked to you :D |
| 04:37.09 | JeffM | what kinda machine is it? |
| 04:37.16 | pi31415926535 | Sysinfo for 'storm': Linux 2.6.25.20-114 running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU T8300 @ 2.40GHz at 2401 MHz (4788 bogomips), HD: 62/183GB, RAM: 2862/3034MB, 158 proc's, 2.10d up |
| 04:38.10 | JeffM | should not take that long on that system |
| 04:38.34 | JeffM | I build in about 10 min |
| 04:38.39 | JeffM | maybe 15 |
| 04:38.54 | pi31415926535 | maybe because theres like 200 tabs opened in firefox =) |
| 04:39.05 | JeffM | why? |
| 04:39.18 | pi31415926535 | all documents i'm reading |
| 04:40.02 | JeffM | that seems excessive |
| 04:40.03 | pi31415926535 | + eclipse is open to i'll close that one now |
| 04:40.39 | pi31415926535 | aha its done great! |
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| 04:55.46 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: i have two monitors and it selects the left one. can i change that or do i have to change my default monitor settings? |
| 04:56.09 | pi31415926535 | i mean bzflag selects my screen at the left |
| 04:59.05 | JeffM | not really |
| 04:59.17 | JeffM | it'll pick whatever sdl thinks is the "main" |
| 05:00.13 | BulletCatcher | You could run BZFlag in a window instead of full-screen, then drag the window to the right. |
| 05:00.35 | JeffM | yeah that'd be about it |
| 05:01.53 | JeffM | that's one thing I like about OpenTK, they enumerate the displays in addition to the video modes :) |
| 05:03.31 | pi31415926535 | great |
| 05:03.57 | pi31415926535 | i wish it could use both screens :D |
| 05:04.10 | JeffM | it dosn't work out out that well |
| 05:04.24 | JeffM | your target ends up being in the middle of both of them |
| 05:05.01 | pi31415926535 | no i mean having some panels and configurations or some devices at the left |
| 05:05.12 | pi31415926535 | and at the right my main window |
| 05:05.15 | JeffM | that's been talked about |
| 05:05.26 | JeffM | SDL currently dosn't support multiple displays |
| 05:05.35 | JeffM | so it'd be hard to do for some platforms |
| 05:05.42 | pi31415926535 | hmm |
| 05:06.51 | JeffM | maybe one day |
| 05:08.04 | trepan | pi31415926535: you rounded poorly :) |
| 05:10.18 | BulletCatcher | The existing "-view three" option to bzflag suggests that supporting multiple displays is a plausible future feature. Patches welcome. :-) |
| 05:10.22 | pi31415926535 | i didn't round it =) just trimmed |
| 05:10.23 | pi31415926535 | :D |
| 05:14.23 | BulletCatcher | It seems that SDL 1.3 is supposed to support multiple displays, but that version may not be released before BZFlag 3.0. |
| 05:15.57 | JeffM | yeah they are working on it |
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| 05:16.03 | JeffM | it was a SOC proejct last year |
| 05:18.53 | nightstrike | so much competition :| |
| 05:20.20 | JeffM | happens every year |
| 05:20.44 | JeffM | thats why we sugest more then one app, there is always dupes |
| 05:21.43 | JeffM | there are only 13 students applied so far, that's less then last year |
| 05:21.48 | JeffM | and a lot less then the year before |
| 05:24.34 | BulletCatcher | Are there any guidelines for whether a mentor's review of an application should be public or private? I'm not sure how public the "public" reviews are. |
| 05:24.47 | JeffM | the students can see them |
| 05:25.04 | BulletCatcher | All students can see all applications? |
| 05:25.06 | JeffM | basicly if you want the student to give more info, then it's public |
| 05:25.07 | JeffM | no |
| 05:25.10 | JeffM | just there own |
| 05:25.12 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 05:25.20 | JeffM | if you want it to be just for mentors, then it's private |
| 05:25.36 | JeffM | so far I have only done public ones |
| 05:25.41 | BulletCatcher | Private means private to mentors. Got it. |
| 05:25.46 | JeffM | for private ones we use our super secret IRC channel |
| 05:25.57 | JeffM | cus we don't really use the app's ranking system when rank time comes |
| 05:26.02 | JeffM | we use a spreadsheet |
| 05:26.44 | BulletCatcher | Okay. At this point I my comments would be directed at the applicants, so public they will be. Thanks. |
| 05:31.02 | jcp | dumb bot |
| 05:31.05 | jcp | stupid bot |
| 05:31.07 | jcp | dang |
| 05:31.29 | JeffM | ? |
| 05:31.35 | pi31415926535 | JeffM: are there any servers that has players in it? |
| 05:31.46 | JeffM | pi31415926535: probably not for the dev version |
| 05:31.54 | JeffM | regular players don't have that version |
| 05:31.59 | pi31415926535 | oh ok |
| 05:32.09 | JeffM | 2.99.x is incompatable with 2.0.x |
| 05:32.16 | pi31415926535 | by the way sometimes when i go too close to the walls i see inside of them |
| 05:32.24 | JeffM | yep |
| 05:33.01 | pi31415926535 | looks like a very addicting game, but makes me dizzy |
| 05:33.20 | pi31415926535 | i wish there was a method to solve this problem |
| 05:33.35 | JeffM | it's probably a FOV issue |
| 05:33.39 | pi31415926535 | i get very dizzy and feel like vomiting after these kinds of games |
| 05:33.50 | JeffM | usualy it happens when the moving world angle dosn't match with what you are used to |
| 05:33.55 | JeffM | do you wear glasses? |
| 05:34.03 | pi31415926535 | no but i used to |
| 05:34.09 | JeffM | you have contacts? |
| 05:34.11 | pi31415926535 | i had a laser operation |
| 05:34.14 | JeffM | ahh |
| 05:34.23 | JeffM | yeah you could try to adjust your field of view |
| 05:34.41 | JeffM | or it could be an inner ear thing |
| 05:34.51 | JeffM | that just happens to some people, no mater what |
| 05:34.54 | pi31415926535 | generally lowering the frame rate solves the problem but is there an option to do this? |
| 05:35.05 | JeffM | you can turn on the energy saver |
| 05:35.08 | JeffM | and set your FPS |
| 05:35.13 | pi31415926535 | ok |
| 05:35.44 | pi31415926535 | by the way the game exits automatically when i click to my other window |
| 05:36.13 | pi31415926535 | sorry not clicking when i press f12 to call yakuake |
| 05:36.20 | pi31415926535 | on the other screen |
| 05:37.25 | pacman87 | bzflag uses F12 as 'quick exit' |
| 05:37.43 | pacman87 | so you're describing expected behavior |
| 05:37.52 | pi31415926535 | o |
| 05:37.56 | pi31415926535 | k |
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| 11:15.05 | adityav | glOutlineBoxHV is not an OpenGL function as far as i remember.. how is it used? |
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| 12:09.54 | Cygal | adityav: src/ogl/OpenGLUtils.cxx:156 |
| 12:11.47 | trepan | a distinct nomenclature for those util funcs might be preferable |
| 12:12.04 | trepan | ex: shove them into a namespace, like gl::OutlineBoxHV() |
| 12:13.26 | trepan | or bzglOutlineBoxHV() ... anything such that they aren't mistaken for real GL functions |
| 12:13.40 | adityav | yea |
| 12:46.12 | trepan | adityav: OS ? |
| 12:51.07 | adityav | I use both Ubuntu and Vista |
| 12:53.03 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/cgrep ... greps recursively through source files |
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| 12:53.42 | trepan | (ie: to help you find the next 'glOutlineBoxHV';-) |
| 12:54.09 | adityav | i went ctags way |
| 12:55.33 | adityav | but browing source code is hell. to know which class has what, and member type is very difficult... |
| 12:55.39 | nightstrike | hey guys, can you just check out my proposal again? I've made a few changes to it. Please tell me if it's ok. |
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| 13:28.06 | adityav | what is segmentedshotstrategy class? |
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| 14:49.35 | adityav | Can anyone explain me what an occluder is? specifically the BZFlag one |
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| 15:23.05 | brlcad | adityav: it's something that occludes something else ;) |
| 15:23.19 | brlcad | and yes, scenerenderer is our scene graph |
| 15:24.24 | adityav | how is it implemented? Does the geometry register callbacks with the scenerenderer, which then renders them one by one? |
| 15:31.59 | Chestal | adityav: SegmentedShowStrategy handles "normal" shots (the others are Guided Missile and ShockWave). The segments are precalculated (caused by ricos, teleporters) when the shot is created and the shot then follows a path which is a sequence of these segments |
| 15:32.45 | adityav | okie |
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| 15:46.24 | BulletCatcher | KingRobot's patch at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2721799&group_id=3248&atid=303248 indeed solves the crash-on-exit problem. Well done. |
| 15:46.32 | BulletCatcher | However, it creates two new files under src/other/ftgl/src that contain cut-and-pasted copyright statements that are very out of date. |
| 15:46.36 | BulletCatcher | "Copyright (c) 2001-2004 Henry Maddocks <ftgl@opengl.geek.nz>" |
| 15:46.42 | BulletCatcher | At a bare minimum, these are new files that should be (c) 2009, but I also suspect that there is a more appropriate copyright assignee than Henry. |
| 15:46.46 | BulletCatcher | That could be TimRiker because this is a patch to BZFlag, or (anticipating upstream acceptance) it might be sam as the current lead FTGL maintainer. |
| 15:46.51 | BulletCatcher | Should I just accept the patch into BZFlag as is? If not, what change should we ask KingRobot to make to the copyright statement? |
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| 15:48.26 | TimRiker | these are technically patches to ftgl and not bzflag, correct? |
| 15:48.33 | BulletCatcher | Correct. |
| 15:49.04 | TimRiker | then they should follow whatever licensing and copyright ftgl wants. |
| 15:49.10 | sam | if you remind me tonight I can have a thorough look at the patch and merge them upstream |
| 15:49.19 | sam | -them+it |
| 15:50.25 | TimRiker | I'm happy to take copyright assignment if KingRobot wants, but if these are modified files that someone else already has copyright on, it would be up to the original author. We cannot remove copyright ownership from files without the copyright holders consent to assign it to someone else. |
| 15:51.42 | BulletCatcher | As far as I can tell it is original code by KingRobot, so it is clearly his final decision. |
| 15:52.45 | BulletCatcher | Too bad he isn't here right now. |
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| 15:58.16 | BulletCatcher | sam, the submitted patch uses tabs for indenting rather than spaces like other FTGL code, and includes some lines with trailing whitespace. Just FYI if you care about such details. |
| 16:00.48 | Santosh_IIIT_ | hello, I am a student from India and would like to work on the project that includes the Modularization of OpenGL logic. I would like to find some mentors whom I can contact |
| 16:05.49 | Thumper_ | Santosh_IIIT_: we're currently mentoring as a group since we're not all here all the time - please state what it is you need and we'll provide whatever help we can |
| 16:05.57 | Thumper_ | *boink*. seems he has some network issues |
| 16:06.11 | BulletCatcher | No, that was his other nick. |
| 16:06.22 | Thumper_ | ah |
| 16:07.02 | BulletCatcher | Santosh_IIIT_, have you read our basic rules and requirements at http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code_Acceptance ? |
| 16:08.39 | nightstrike_ | I think I might be have to do a dupe :| |
| 16:08.45 | nightstrike_ | just one app |
| 16:08.47 | nightstrike_ | :( |
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| 16:12.56 | sam | BulletCatcher: I do care about such janitor work patches, yes |
| 16:13.08 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 16:13.16 | sam | I thought I fixed that last week upstream, maybe I didn't push my commits |
| 16:13.44 | Santosh_IIIT_ | I am going through the link. I just heard of GSoC yesterday. |
| 16:15.26 | BulletCatcher | One of the requirements is to talk to us in IRC, so you are already off to a good start! |
| 16:16.22 | BulletCatcher | The last FTGL commit was in January, sam. |
| 16:16.36 | Thumper_ | Santosh_IIIT_: you should put together a draft app ASAP and submit it on the website. Someone will comment on it so you can edit it and flesh it out between now and the deadline |
| 16:17.19 | Santosh_IIIT_ | surely. |
| 16:18.17 | sam | BulletCatcher: definitely a missing commit, then, I'm having a look |
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| 16:20.34 | sam | BulletCatcher: done. |
| 16:21.02 | BulletCatcher | anticipates a note from CIA-11 |
| 16:21.49 | BulletCatcher | hugs CIA-11 |
| 16:21.49 | CIA-11 | hugs BulletCatcher |
| 16:22.56 | CIA-11 | FTGL: 03sammy * r1206 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Remove trailing spaces and tabs to ease syncs bzflag needs to do. |
| 16:23.23 | nightstrike_ | nightstrike kicks a football at CIA-11 |
| 16:23.26 | nightstrike_ | oops |
| 16:23.41 | nightstrike_ | pokes CIA-11 |
| 16:23.53 | BulletCatcher | try "kicks" |
| 16:24.44 | nightstrike_ | kicks CIA-11 |
| 16:24.44 | CIA-11 | ow |
| 16:24.59 | nightstrike_ | kicks CIA-11 |
| 16:25.00 | CIA-11 | ow |
| 16:25.04 | nightstrike_ | neat! |
| 16:25.16 | BulletCatcher | Don't abuse the poor bot too much. |
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| 16:25.25 | nightstrike_ | punches CIA-11 |
| 16:25.34 | nightstrike_ | hugs CIA-11 |
| 16:25.34 | CIA-11 | hugs nightstrike_ |
| 16:25.37 | nightstrike_ | aawww... |
| 16:26.01 | nightstrike_ | BulletCatcher, you're a mentor? |
| 16:26.05 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 16:26.41 | JefferyM | that means you have to say "yes master" if you are selected |
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| 16:32.41 | nightstrike_ | hehe |
| 16:32.46 | nightstrike_ | I'll say that any day! |
| 16:32.51 | nightstrike_ | how many people applying for libgame? |
| 16:33.00 | JefferyM | some |
| 16:33.38 | nightstrike_ | the wait till april 20th is going to be torturous! |
| 16:33.49 | JefferyM | you'll live :) |
| 16:34.02 | nightstrike_ | :) |
| 16:34.45 | delerious | ~torture gsoc |
| 16:34.55 | Santosh_IIIT_ | what should i mention in the application for there is no template to follow |
| 16:35.16 | nightstrike_ | there is no template for BZFlag |
| 16:35.28 | nightstrike_ | use your imagination to the fullest |
| 16:35.38 | JefferyM | Santosh_IIIT_, have you read our wiki page for students? |
| 16:35.48 | JefferyM | nightstrike_, I will say it is the most popular one so far |
| 16:36.03 | Santosh_IIIT_ | yes |
| 16:36.30 | nightstrike_ | JefferyM: Yeah, I guessed. That's what's making me so tense |
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| 16:37.07 | nightstrike_ | only you've commented on my app till now :| |
| 16:37.08 | BulletCatcher | I suggest *playing* BZFlag as a way to relax. :-) |
| 16:37.12 | JefferyM | Santosh_IIIT_, and you read the application guidelines? |
| 16:37.16 | Santosh_IIIT_ | can you send me the link once more - students wiki page |
| 16:37.26 | nightstrike_ | I'll be doing that after this friday |
| 16:37.43 | nightstrike_ | I have like 3 assignment submissions and (hopefully) one more gsoc proposal to make |
| 16:37.48 | nightstrike_ | for modularization of opengl |
| 16:38.04 | JefferyM | didn't really read it all the way? didja? ;) http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 16:38.16 | JefferyM | basicly we want an overview of your project design |
| 16:38.26 | JefferyM | with a rough timeline of what you expect to get done |
| 16:38.31 | JefferyM | as well as some information about you |
| 16:38.46 | JefferyM | it should be signifigantly more then just "I want to do project X" |
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| 16:39.04 | JefferyM | it should show that you have researched the project and understand what it means |
| 16:40.14 | JefferyM | we have applications right now that will be marked as invalid if they arn't updated, and they have a lot of info about the person, but simply say "I want to do the idea you said on the web page" |
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| 16:41.43 | JefferyM | dude, you are here early Erroneous |
| 16:42.10 | Erroneous | was considering going to westec |
| 16:42.17 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 16:42.18 | JefferyM | fun |
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| 17:31.24 | ruskie | http://rafb.net/p/g7ugCo86.html <-- so any clues on this backtrace? x86_64, swrast for 3d, starts up and immediately crashes |
| 17:32.01 | blast007 | ruskie: what version of libcurl do you have? |
| 17:32.30 | ruskie | 7.19.3 |
| 17:32.50 | ruskie | using bzflag 2.0_trunk |
| 17:33.09 | blast007 | hmm, k |
| 17:33.11 | blast007 | not sure |
| 17:33.16 | ruskie | I also get a "Bus Error" message |
| 17:33.20 | blast007 | I know some of the older ones had a problem |
| 17:33.27 | ruskie | I'm guessing it might be something to do with swrast |
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| 17:41.17 | adityav | Hi, I Have submitted my proposal for mentor's review. Waiting anxiously :) |
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| 17:47.16 | JefferyM | adityav, what is the point of the bzdb setp? |
| 17:47.19 | JefferyM | step |
| 17:47.50 | JefferyM | and why do you need to replace the glVertex Calls? |
| 17:50.39 | adityav | the class would use BZDB for getting the user settings. I was thinking It can also be used for storing user's rendering system's capabilities so that we have some statistics of our playerbase |
| 17:51.07 | JefferyM | do you kow how bzdb works with the server? |
| 17:51.13 | JefferyM | there arn't entries per player |
| 17:51.18 | JefferyM | there is ONE shared db for all players |
| 17:51.23 | adityav | oh |
| 17:51.36 | JefferyM | _gravity is set for everyone |
| 17:51.47 | adityav | it's server side? |
| 17:51.51 | JefferyM | part of it is |
| 17:52.00 | JefferyM | bzdb has 2 types of entries |
| 17:52.02 | JefferyM | local and shared |
| 17:52.11 | JefferyM | local ones stay local and are per instance. |
| 17:52.21 | JefferyM | so every client has local stuff, and that is what is stored in the config |
| 17:52.30 | JefferyM | the sever has local stuff that is what it uses for it's config |
| 17:52.43 | JefferyM | but they have shared entries that form a single database |
| 17:52.44 | adityav | kk |
| 17:53.41 | JefferyM | for getting info about our ours, we use the client version string for that |
| 17:53.44 | JefferyM | and just shove the gl info in |
| 17:53.55 | adityav | our ours? |
| 17:54.08 | JefferyM | our users |
| 17:54.11 | JefferyM | now why do you want to change the glVertex calls? |
| 17:56.18 | adityav | I won't want stray rendering calls. Also, lots of game drawing uses 2/3f calls. Which i wanted to convert to array based since it puts less load on the cpu |
| 17:56.35 | JefferyM | that can happen later |
| 17:56.39 | JefferyM | don't take to much on |
| 17:56.48 | JefferyM | bzflag is a super simple game |
| 17:57.00 | JefferyM | we don't stress the GPU now anyway ;) |
| 17:57.15 | JefferyM | people get hundreds of FPSs now, they don't need thousands |
| 17:57.26 | adityav | 810 also? |
| 17:57.51 | blast007 | Intel 810? pfft, I don't think that even handles bzflag properly anymore (I had graphical glitches iirc) |
| 17:58.06 | JefferyM | yeah it has driver issues |
| 17:58.07 | JefferyM | but yeah |
| 17:58.22 | blast007 | works better with an nVidia 5200 in there ;) |
| 17:58.23 | JefferyM | adityav, many maps draw less then a couple thousand triangles per frame |
| 17:58.37 | JefferyM | I mean the maps are made out of boxes ;) |
| 17:58.43 | adityav | oh |
| 17:59.03 | adityav | I haven't really fired up the game because i spent 2 days going through the code |
| 17:59.03 | JefferyM | if we want to optimize the rendering system there is a LOT more we will do then just sending in verts as arrays |
| 17:59.15 | JefferyM | and that is another task entirely |
| 17:59.32 | JefferyM | at that point we will look at other rendering systems as well |
| 17:59.40 | JefferyM | but that should not happen untill the code is seperated |
| 17:59.48 | JefferyM | and we can look at it all together |
| 17:59.54 | adityav | kk |
| 18:00.09 | JefferyM | if the cleanup project finishes early, then sure go to town on otpimisation |
| 18:00.14 | JefferyM | but do not make it part of your proposal |
| 18:00.32 | adityav | So, i leave the calls |
| 18:00.39 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 18:00.49 | JefferyM | it's also less chance for error |
| 18:05.15 | adityav | So most of my work would be related to scenerenderer, backgroundrenderer and radar rendering. |
| 18:05.51 | JefferyM | yep |
| 18:06.03 | adityav | I will modify my proposal to remove BZDB now, and glVertex call modifications... |
| 18:06.09 | JefferyM | get it organised first, THEN worry about making it better |
| 18:06.10 | JefferyM | cool |
| 18:06.34 | adityav | any more details i should put into to make my proposal better? |
| 18:06.41 | JefferyM | I think it's ok for now |
| 18:06.52 | JefferyM | we'll ask for more clarification if we need it |
| 18:07.52 | adityav | cool :) |
| 18:09.07 | JefferyM | have you worked on a patch yet? |
| 18:11.01 | adityav | yes, |
| 18:11.16 | adityav | haven't uploaded, deadline got me scared |
| 18:13.21 | JefferyM | ok |
| 18:18.03 | Cygal | so the crash on exit bug has been fixed, hm. Are there other bugs from the BUGS file or the bug tracker that got fixed by the applicants? |
| 18:22.55 | JefferyM | check the commit log and patch tracker |
| 18:31.15 | Cygal | ok, if they have been committed, then I did not miss anything |
| 18:31.26 | Cygal | I was thinking of the ftgl issue, for example |
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| 18:40.52 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19563 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: |
| 18:40.52 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: Describe mouse input regression. |
| 18:40.52 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: Fix a couple of spelling errors. |
| 18:41.32 | BulletCatcher | The mouse input bug should be a good one for a GSoC applicant. |
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| 18:55.37 | nightstrike_ | does a FIXME count? |
| 18:55.45 | Cygal | yes |
| 18:55.55 | nightstrike_ | I've submitted a patch |
| 18:56.23 | nightstrike_ | the heap based priority queue one |
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| 19:03.00 | bubu^ | hello |
| 19:04.04 | blast007 | hi |
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| 19:06.47 | Cygal | BulletCatcher: I can't reproduce the bug.. mouse input here means left click, right? |
| 19:07.21 | Thumper_ | BulletCatcher: me either |
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| 19:35.55 | trepan | BulletCatcher: might it be an OS dependent bug? try setting parabolicSlope to 1 (as opposed to the default, "none") |
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| 19:54.08 | trepan | BulletCatcher: do you happen to have the BZDB 'none' variable set to something? (say, -1?) |
| 19:54.51 | CBG` | lol blast007 |
| 20:01.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19564 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: |
| 20:01.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * changed the parabolicSlope BZDB default from "none" to "" |
| 20:01.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: - note that there are other BZDB variables that use "none" |
| 20:01.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: that should probably be changed. another option is to |
| 20:01.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: make "none" a reserved BZDB keyword (or nil, null, etc...) |
| 20:01.45 | Cygal | who owns bzexcess.com? screenshot urls in the BUGS file turn out to be 404 |
| 20:01.54 | trepan | blast007 |
| 20:01.56 | me1 | blast007, |
| 20:01.57 | pi31415926535 | when you shoot to the corners of the pyramids it doesnt bounce correctly |
| 20:02.05 | pi31415926535 | is that considered to be a bug? |
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| 20:02.17 | JefferyM | what are you expecting it to do? |
| 20:02.29 | JefferyM | we don't treat the shots as solid balls, but points |
| 20:02.38 | blast007 | Cygal: hmm, let me check on that quick. I probably moved them. |
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| 20:02.52 | pi31415926535 | it choses one side then bounces from there |
| 20:03.03 | JefferyM | yeah makes sense |
| 20:03.08 | JefferyM | it's a single point |
| 20:03.11 | pi31415926535 | instead of bouncing close somewhere to the middle |
| 20:03.13 | JefferyM | not a sold ball or anything |
| 20:03.14 | pi31415926535 | hmm |
| 20:03.16 | pi31415926535 | ok |
| 20:03.20 | JefferyM | that's as it's designed |
| 20:03.30 | Thumper_ | it's a big round orb-like glowing point |
| 20:03.41 | JefferyM | otherwise you'd have small spaces where a shot could not go |
| 20:03.45 | blast007 | Cygal: try now |
| 20:03.48 | JefferyM | so it's simpler to cheat it with a point |
| 20:03.56 | Cygal | blast007: thanks, works |
| 20:04.06 | JefferyM | basicly it's so the shot never gets "stuck" |
| 20:04.07 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19565 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: * always erase from variables before leaving eval() |
| 20:04.16 | pi31415926535 | but at least i would expect to give a treshold value for the corners |
| 20:04.29 | JefferyM | then you would expect wrong |
| 20:04.34 | JefferyM | bzflag is a very simple game |
| 20:04.40 | JefferyM | with very simple code for physics |
| 20:04.44 | JefferyM | we don't try to make it realistic |
| 20:05.11 | pi31415926535 | ok |
| 20:05.25 | pi31415926535 | i was just asking |
| 20:05.43 | JefferyM | I know |
| 20:05.49 | bryjen | reality is boring ;) |
| 20:06.02 | JefferyM | it'd be a major change to gameplay if we made the shot behave differently |
| 20:06.14 | JefferyM | same thing with like shots being afffected by gravity, etc.. |
| 20:06.19 | trepan | so should "none" become a reserve BZDB variable -- with no value ? |
| 20:06.33 | JefferyM | trepan, does it screw stuff up if it's set to something wierd? |
| 20:06.54 | trepan | yup |
| 20:06.59 | JefferyM | then yeah |
| 20:07.54 | Bulldozer | So, in other news... |
| 20:08.12 | Bulldozer | Pirate Bay has been acquired by Warner Bros |
| 20:08.19 | Bulldozer | What's BZFlag doing this year? ;) |
| 20:08.22 | JefferyM | rriiiiiigggghhhhhttttt |
| 20:08.25 | JefferyM | nothing |
| 20:08.51 | Bulldozer | Ah, too bad. The WZ2100 merger was pretty good - what was that, last year? |
| 20:09.10 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:09.13 | JefferyM | it was meh |
| 20:09.20 | ruskie | maybe a spring merger ;) |
| 20:09.42 | blast007 | I like the console one |
| 20:09.45 | blast007 | liked* |
| 20:09.56 | JefferyM | that was better |
| 20:10.08 | JefferyM | I'd do a billing system |
| 20:10.11 | JefferyM | that'd be great |
| 20:10.15 | JefferyM | subscription based :) |
| 20:10.25 | JefferyM | make it so you can only play hix for free |
| 20:10.29 | blast007 | lol |
| 20:10.33 | Bulldozer | haha |
| 20:10.44 | Bulldozer | ... |
| 20:11.45 | blast007 | you'd probably have an equally strong reaction if you reversed that (every map free except HiX) |
| 20:12.03 | blast007 | league playes would amass with torches and pitchforks |
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| 20:18.22 | CBG` | http://www.fmylife.com/sex/2899 |
| 20:19.06 | blast007 | CBG`: uh.. wrong window :P |
| 20:19.18 | CBG` | Uh, yeah. |
| 20:19.21 | CBG` | Sorry. :| |
| 20:22.04 | Cygal | trepan: in fact I managed to reproduce BulletCatcher's bug. the "mousebox" he refers to is not the 5 pixel wide box, but anything that is not in the corners (this seems to be recent, I had to compile the latest svn rev to see it) |
| 20:23.45 | JefferyM | wonders why that was in CBG` s clipboard |
| 20:24.08 | CBG` | Because I wanted to paste it. :P |
| 20:24.50 | JefferyM | blast007, I'm actualy pondering having my experiemnt only allow you on one server untill you verify your email :) |
| 20:27.43 | trepan | JefferyM: looks like i was mistake, "none" is protected by string comparison for its other uses |
| 20:27.55 | trepan | Cygal: "not in the corners" |
| 20:27.56 | trepan | ? |
| 20:29.29 | trepan | and, tried r19565? |
| 20:34.20 | Cygal | hm, thought I had, but indeed, it fixes the bug |
| 20:34.23 | trepan | the "_ambientLight" / BZDB_AMBIENTLIGHT variable isn't being used; did someone have a plan for it? |
| 20:35.44 | JefferyM | plan? |
| 20:35.49 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19566 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: * r19565 seems to have fixed the inverted mouse bug |
| 20:35.52 | trepan | is there any reason to keep it? |
| 20:35.53 | JefferyM | this word, I do not think it means what oyu think it means |
| 20:36.02 | trepan | heh, good flick |
| 20:36.05 | JefferyM | if it's not used, we can always replace it if somone wants |
| 20:42.07 | delerious | hehehe, Plan? that's a good one! |
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| 20:48.25 | trepan | Cygal: wondering where the difference lies ... which OS where you testing with? what does '/localset none' tell you in the console? |
| 20:49.30 | Cygal | debian squeeze, "undefined client variable" |
| 20:50.32 | trepan | two more commands for ya, '/localset junk none' '/localset junk' |
| 20:51.32 | trepan | is also using debian/squeeze ... amd64 |
| 20:52.20 | Cygal | "junk nan none" |
| 20:52.28 | Cygal | x86 here |
| 20:53.03 | trepan | the same as i get, the 'nan' is as expected, so i'm wondering why r19565 worked ;-) |
| 20:53.54 | Thumper_ | still doesn't "get" what's wrong and can't reproduce it |
| 20:59.34 | Cygal | http://cygal.info/tmp/mouse.png with the mosue in this black cross, the tank was heading in the wrong direction |
| 21:01.48 | Thumper_ | recompiles R19560 and tries again |
| 21:02.54 | Thumper_ | still works for me :/ |
| 21:03.45 | Thumper_ | driving with the mouse all the time I assume |
| 21:05.15 | Cygal | yup |
| 21:05.20 | Cygal | with r19560 it's no longer the cross but only the mousebox.. |
| 21:08.54 | trepan | the input auto switching appears to latch to key state, until pressed/released |
| 21:13.48 | Thumper_ | goes out to get pizza |
| 21:13.49 | trepan | (if the mouse is moving while pressing one of the move keys) |
| 21:21.59 | CBG` | Where does the tank go when the cursor is in the right hand side of the black cross in that screenshot? |
| 21:33.37 | Cygal | in fact it's more complicated than just the cross with r19564 |
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| 21:35.44 | Cygal | in the upper side of the right hand, the tank goes backward, and in the lower side, it goes forward (but keeps going to the right as expected) |
| 21:36.41 | Cygal | (still with r19564, everything works fine with r19565) |
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| 21:41.01 | Cygal | does anyone know how custom tabs are created in the server list? after choosing all my settings for the tab (game mode, etc.), the "Create Tab" button doesn't respond to "Enter" and such |
| 21:47.08 | CBG` | So, it's as if the controls are flipped across the horizontal axis of the screen? |
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| 22:02.44 | delerious | cygal the enhanced server listing was part of last year's gsoc program, maybe check that out. http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-bzflag/downloads/list |
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| 22:08.37 | delerious | this page too http://my.bzflag.org/w/Enhanced_Server_Listing |
| 22:09.28 | Thumper_ | Cygal: ok now I can get it to show the bug - thx for the screenshot to clarify |
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| 23:54.02 | Thumper_ | trepan / BulletCatcher / Cygal : R19509 seems to be the commit that introduced the mouse movement weirdness |
| 23:58.32 | trepan | figured as much, i'm more interested in knowing if it's truly fixed :) |
| 23:59.02 | Thumper_ | still broken for me |
| 23:59.12 | trepan | Thumper_: for what rev? |
| 23:59.20 | Thumper_ | 19565 |
