| 00:25.13 | Think_Differentl | a_meteorite, Dell and Acer hardware is pretty much standard off the shelf stuff from ECS |
| 00:25.19 | Think_Differentl | sometimes gigabyte |
| 00:25.44 | Think_Differentl | dell's monitors pwn, though. not quite as much as apple's but they're also a lot cheaper. |
| 00:29.05 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19613 10/trunk/bzflag/src/lua/ (6 files): |
| 00:29.05 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * the -devlua command line switch now allow the 'luaBzOrgURL' |
| 00:29.05 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: BZDB variable to override the standard LuaBzOrg URL |
| 00:33.09 | Winny | Jack Bauer!! T - Minus 30 minutes! |
| 00:35.20 | trepan | that's still in the cables ... ew |
| 00:39.32 | Winny | don't be hatin on jack bauer |
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| 01:06.15 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Constitution 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5683 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: Add myself to the mentors list |
| 01:09.01 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19614 10/trunk/bzflag/src/lua/LuaBzOrg.h: * remove cruft |
| 01:14.31 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: Except they ruin it with the crappy PSUs. |
| 01:14.50 | a_meteorite | And Maxtor HDs (in lots of Dells, at least). |
| 01:15.27 | a_meteorite | The amount of PSUs I've seen gone and even taking the hardware with them... and Maxtor HDs, don't even get me started on those. |
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| 01:47.16 | Erroneous | wanders around reviewing people's patches |
| 01:48.16 | Erroneous | and please note that the requirement is to have a patch *submitted* not necessarily *accepted* (and certainly not on the first try)...so don't panic :) |
| 01:49.07 | Erroneous | and if I ask a question in the comments, it's because I'd like to know the answer, not necessarily because you did something wrong |
| 01:53.56 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19615 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): * added event loop types to EventHandler |
| 01:58.27 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19616 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 01:58.27 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * globally fixed 'recieved' spelling |
| 01:58.27 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: (I before E, except after C; but not always :) |
| 02:01.38 | delusional | when i was a radio operator in the army, they taught us to spell it RCVD, and XMIT |
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| 02:11.42 | JeffM | brlcad: you arround? |
| 02:12.16 | JeffM | or can anyone tell me what's in the .app on OSX? |
| 02:21.26 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19617 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Form1.Designer.cs Paths.cs ServerLoger.cs): |
| 02:21.26 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: anchor the password so it moves with the dialog size properly. |
| 02:21.26 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: have the server logger not use the exe path for CWD on OSX (may be a cause of some problems with frameworks) |
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| 02:32.35 | Will07c5 | JeffM: I don't know if this is too late but here is the contents of a random app file I have https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/hahne1/www/appcontents |
| 02:33.22 | JeffM | I'm mostly curious if the server in the bzflag.app runs with out setting the current working dir to where it is |
| 02:33.36 | Constitution | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d5d502ad5 |
| 02:34.06 | JeffM | Constitution: can you run the server directly from the app with a full path? |
| 02:34.18 | Will07c5 | I can't tell you since vmware doesn't seem to want to run mac os today :P |
| 02:34.40 | JeffM | it's not supposed to run macOS ANY day ;) |
| 02:34.49 | Constitution | JeffM: yes |
| 02:34.52 | Will07c5 | it actually does work |
| 02:35.05 | JeffM | Constitution: and if you cd INTO the dir where bzfs is, does it run from there? |
| 02:35.11 | Will07c5 | I don't think it works on this computer though since it is an AMD machine |
| 02:35.17 | Constitution | yes it works either way |
| 02:35.17 | JeffM | Will07c5: legaly it is not supposed to |
| 02:35.22 | JeffM | Constitution: hmmm |
| 02:35.30 | Will07c5 | JeffM: sssssh :P |
| 02:35.32 | JeffM | Constitution: have you tried StartBZFS yet |
| 02:36.58 | MindstormsKid | Is it just me or is pastebin.bzflag.bz getting a spam attack? |
| 02:38.51 | Will07c5 | JeffM: it is actually a legally gray area if you purchase mac os x from a store and then hack it |
| 02:39.16 | JeffM | the eula says that it can only run on apple hardware IIRC ;) |
| 02:39.18 | JeffM | not so gary |
| 02:39.20 | JeffM | gray |
| 02:39.47 | Will07c5 | whether or not a EULA is a binding contract is a legally gray area |
| 02:40.05 | JeffM | it too is not gray, it simply has not been disproven in court yet ;) |
| 02:40.17 | Will07c5 | meaning it is gray :P |
| 02:40.28 | JeffM | no, gray means the wording COULD allow it |
| 02:40.29 | Constitution | JeffM: nope, does it work on mac? |
| 02:40.40 | JeffM | Constitution: tis a mono app, should run on anything |
| 02:40.56 | Constitution | I'll try it |
| 02:40.59 | Will07c5 | bah I don't care enough to argue this further |
| 02:41.02 | JeffM | Will07c5: you are simply working on the assumtion that you have a valid license ;) |
| 02:41.05 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:41.27 | Will07c5 | I'd rather finish fixing DR ;) |
| 02:44.57 | Erroneous | in soviet russia, DRs fix YOU :P |
| 02:46.28 | JeffM | oh display lists how I love thee :) |
| 02:46.29 | Erroneous | beats a hasty retreat after that pun |
| 02:47.18 | Will07c5 | doesn't get the pun |
| 03:04.46 | DTRemenak | does it help if I write it "Dr.'s"? |
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| 03:07.10 | Will07c5 | feels stupid |
| 03:08.27 | Will07c5 | but thanks, now I don't have to keep wondering what the pun was :) |
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| 03:29.49 | Will07c5 | JeffM: just so you know compiling startbzfs with monodevelop on linux results in this error: [Task:File=/home/william/dev/workspace/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/Prefrences.cs, Line=15, Column=67, Type=Error, Priority=Normal, Description=`System.PlatformID' does not contain a definition for `MacOSX'(CS0117)] |
| 03:30.02 | Will07c5 | if that line is removed it compiles and runs fine |
| 03:30.26 | JeffM | Will07c5: how old is your code man? |
| 03:30.49 | Will07c5 | yeah just as I pressed enter I realized that |
| 03:31.02 | Will07c5 | svn updates |
| 03:31.10 | Will07c5 | sorry about that |
| 03:33.44 | JeffM | yeah for some reason the mono on a lot of linuxes don't include that enumeration for some stupid reason |
| 03:33.59 | JeffM | so I changed the test around to have OSX be if it wasn't windows or linux |
| 03:34.32 | JeffM | it was added in .net 2.0 sp1, so it's odd that it's not in |
| 03:34.33 | Will07c5 | cool |
| 03:34.35 | JeffM | maybe it's in 2.4 |
| 03:34.54 | JeffM | I guess everyone hates macs |
| 03:35.01 | JeffM | even open source developers |
| 03:35.30 | Will07c5 | I don't like how apple locks down their hardware but they do make nice machines |
| 03:35.52 | JeffM | not for the price ;) |
| 03:36.02 | Will07c5 | that is why I don't have a mac |
| 03:39.09 | JeffM | SUCK |
| 03:39.17 | JeffM | mono HAD support for it |
| 03:39.21 | JeffM | but had to pull it |
| 03:39.31 | JeffM | because too many stupid developers just assumed unix == OSX |
| 03:39.39 | Will07c5 | ... |
| 03:39.45 | Will07c5 | that is ridiculous |
| 03:39.47 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:40.00 | JeffM | what is funny is, guess who added OSX to the spec? |
| 03:40.23 | Will07c5 | who? |
| 03:40.40 | JeffM | Microsoft |
| 03:40.43 | Will07c5 | hahaha |
| 03:40.54 | JeffM | to be nice |
| 03:41.14 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 03:41.31 | JeffM | everyone says to just use the path seperator to see what it is |
| 03:41.32 | JeffM | that's stupid |
| 03:41.45 | JeffM | there is a perfectly servicable system in place for OS detection |
| 03:42.19 | JeffM | why is that when I look at .net stuff, the only people who seem to be trying REALY hard to get it right is Microsoft |
| 03:43.10 | JeffM | I guess the FOSS community just isn't ready for a MS that gives a crap :) |
| 03:43.33 | Will07c5 | yeah .net is one thing that microsoft really did do a good job at |
| 03:44.34 | Will07c5 | too bad there really isn't any good IDEs for .net in linux AFAIK |
| 03:44.38 | JeffM | now that it has a lot of third party support it seems good |
| 03:44.43 | JeffM | huh? |
| 03:44.48 | JeffM | monodevloper is great |
| 03:44.56 | JeffM | or monodevlop |
| 03:45.11 | JeffM | there is also sharpdev |
| 03:45.35 | Will07c5 | sharpdevelop is great but only for windows last time I checked |
| 03:46.12 | JeffM | monodevelop is a package in ubuntu, it works fine |
| 03:46.29 | JeffM | it's a fork of sharpdev |
| 03:46.30 | Will07c5 | maybe it is just the version of monodevelop I have isn't very good |
| 03:46.45 | Will07c5 | it doesn't seem to have a built in debugger |
| 03:46.47 | JeffM | I didn't do much in it but it seemed to work fine for me |
| 03:46.52 | JeffM | what version do you have? |
| 03:47.01 | JeffM | monodbg is relitivly new |
| 03:47.01 | Will07c5 | 1.0 |
| 03:47.11 | JeffM | yeah you want 2.0 ;) |
| 03:47.25 | Will07c5 | that might explain it |
| 03:47.39 | JeffM | http://monodevelop.com/ |
| 03:48.06 | Will07c5 | ubuntu really should update that package |
| 03:48.18 | JeffM | it's updated in 9.0.4 |
| 03:48.30 | Will07c5 | I'm using 8.10 |
| 03:49.03 | JeffM | 1.0 is 'stable' for that one IIRC |
| 03:49.28 | JeffM | 9.0.4 will be out in just over 2 weeks |
| 03:49.34 | JeffM | the beta is pretty sweet |
| 03:50.19 | Will07c5 | since it would be a pain for me to reinstall my current ubuntu, I usually wait until the stable version comes out |
| 03:50.34 | JeffM | change your sources and update ;) |
| 03:50.55 | JeffM | isn't that what it's all about, ease of upgrade/install? |
| 03:50.57 | Will07c5 | well I know that, I mean more along the lines of if it somehow screwed something up |
| 03:53.10 | Will07c5 | IIRC 8.10 had issues with nvidia drivers at the beginning and it also causes my laptop to freeze up occasionally (so I run 8.04 on my laptop) |
| 03:54.07 | JeffM | the only problem I've had with 9.0.4 is that I screwed it up after trying to install the radeonHD driver :) |
| 03:56.25 | blast007 | hmm, I bet I installed the old monodevelop too then (I'm also on 8.10) |
| 04:00.27 | Will07c5 | they don't seem to have a package available, guess I'll have to compile |
| 04:04.42 | trepan | amusing, <@JeffM> ... .net stuff, the only people who seem to be trying REALY hard to get it right is Microsoft |
| 04:04.51 | JeffM | heh |
| 04:05.04 | JeffM | well that and some of the third party lib people |
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| 04:05.32 | JeffM | everyone's explanation of how to use mono, is hilarous, where they make gross assumptions (that I've read) |
| 04:05.45 | JeffM | "no no, you can't double click things anymore" |
| 04:07.39 | JeffM | if C# had been in this state when I did bzedit, it totaly would have been done in that |
| 04:08.13 | JeffM | gl performance may be an issue for me in the long run tho, I'll see |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM | will gust use assloads of display lists :) |
| 04:14.00 | nightstrike | DTRemenak, in response to your comment for my patch regarding the heap based priority queue, I guess I didn't have any particular reason for implementing my own heap |
| 04:14.11 | nightstrike | should I use the one in <algorithm> ? |
| 04:14.26 | JeffM | that is generaly better |
| 04:14.28 | DTRemenak | I probably would have |
| 04:14.41 | JeffM | no raeson to reinvent the wheel when SDL has sweet rims :) |
| 04:15.01 | DTRemenak | didn't see anything in particular wrong with yours though, nice job. just a better idea in general to use the libraries we already have. |
| 04:15.02 | blast007 | STL* |
| 04:15.12 | JeffM | bahh |
| 04:15.17 | JeffM | stupid similar name |
| 04:15.21 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:15.29 | nightstrike | okies |
| 04:15.51 | DTRemenak | saves both time and debugging effort (it's easier to do it wrong yourself) |
| 04:16.07 | nightstrike | I'll change it tonight if possible. Having a hell of a week here. Assignments, presentations, submissions :( |
| 04:16.22 | DTRemenak | no rush |
| 04:16.55 | DTRemenak | it's not urgent, we've had that fixme in there for how many years? few more days won't hurt :) |
| 04:17.06 | nightstrike | hehe |
| 04:18.04 | nightstrike | the earlier queue was also written without making use of STL |
| 04:18.12 | DTRemenak | that is true |
| 04:18.13 | nightstrike | so I thought I'd write the new one without it as well |
| 04:18.25 | DTRemenak | there is a lot of code that does not follow best practices in bzflag |
| 04:18.36 | nightstrike | I see... |
| 04:18.38 | DTRemenak | it's not an excuse to follow suit :) |
| 04:18.41 | nightstrike | learning curve for me I guess :) |
| 04:19.03 | JeffM | bzflag was writen before STL was popular |
| 04:19.08 | JeffM | and fast enough |
| 04:19.17 | DTRemenak | most large, old projects have tons of legacy code that doesn't really comply with modern standards |
| 04:19.27 | DTRemenak | you learn to live with it and/or rewrite it as required |
| 04:19.46 | DTRemenak | you'll find the same thing, but worse, in commercial environments |
| 04:20.08 | JeffM | MCP FTL!!!! |
| 04:20.13 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 04:20.53 | JeffM | there is no way to call it a win, anywhere in the 21st century |
| 04:21.26 | DTRemenak | I'm a bit worried that by the time we get a good portion of our stuff moved from MCP to MFC, we're gonna decide we should go .NET and have to do it all again :) |
| 04:21.55 | JeffM | hopefuly by then it'll all be in little DLLs that we can replace bit by bit |
| 04:23.04 | Will07c5 | is probably too young to know what MCP is |
| 04:23.29 | JeffM | if you knew what it was at ANY age I'd be impressed |
| 04:23.38 | DTRemenak | it's a pretty unique solution |
| 04:23.39 | JeffM | Macintosh Compatability Platform |
| 04:23.46 | JeffM | techincaly we own it now :) |
| 04:24.18 | JeffM | Will07c5: are you familar with the mac OS system 6 API? |
| 04:24.18 | DTRemenak | lets our product use macintosh (like, classic) resource files to define interface objects on windows (and dos, at one point, iirc) |
| 04:24.28 | JeffM | like pre classic :) |
| 04:24.44 | JeffM | DTRemenak: MCP was only dos, we added the MCP32 part |
| 04:24.49 | Will07c5 | JeffM: nope although I have used macs that old, I've never coded for them |
| 04:24.59 | JeffM | pascal strings FTL |
| 04:25.22 | JeffM | DTRemenak: no mater what I have to use MCP till the end of time :) |
| 04:25.22 | Will07c5 | heh sounds like fun |
| 04:25.27 | JeffM | or at least not remove it |
| 04:25.36 | DTRemenak | "classic" is what apple calls any os before os 8, JeffM |
| 04:25.45 | DTRemenak | so system 6 is classic by their definition |
| 04:25.48 | JeffM | DTRemenak: 9 is classic too IIRC |
| 04:25.57 | JeffM | yeah but that "modern" def |
| 04:26.04 | JeffM | pfff, system 1 was classic |
| 04:26.16 | JeffM | testing for color quickdraw... ohh yeah! |
| 04:26.20 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 04:26.34 | JeffM | "the" grafport |
| 04:26.41 | DTRemenak | Will07c5: I wouldn't call it "fun" necessarily |
| 04:26.49 | Will07c5 | DTRemenak: sarcasm :P |
| 04:26.54 | JeffM | it is the direct oposite in fact |
| 04:26.55 | DTRemenak | you end up with BOTH all the limitations of system 6, AND all the limitations of windows :) |
| 04:27.15 | JeffM | and lots of calls to MoreMasters(); |
| 04:27.22 | JeffM | tho I think we pulled those at some point |
| 04:27.28 | JeffM | when handles didn't have to be in code segments |
| 04:27.43 | JeffM | still hates WITH pointers |
| 04:27.44 | DTRemenak | until earlier this year, we had to define all our interface objects on the mac and go through much, much Magic(tm) to get it on windows |
| 04:28.31 | JeffM | hopefully I'll finaly gut them all in v10 when I touch everything and it's mother |
| 04:28.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM: well, at some point you may be able to migrate to minimcp |
| 04:28.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:28.49 | JeffM | after I get rid of the fsreply stuff |
| 04:29.03 | JeffM | and the last OSK message box calls |
| 04:29.56 | JeffM | tho at some point I can also make virtual autoconvert from mcp res posts to new posts :) |
| 04:30.02 | JeffM | epst FTW |
| 04:30.09 | Will07c5 | I guess I've been spoiled with not having to deal with stuff like that ;P |
| 04:30.24 | DTRemenak | would not be 100% comfortable with automatic conversion |
| 04:30.39 | DTRemenak | academia is nice from that perspective...enjoy it while it lasts :P |
| 04:30.46 | JeffM | Will07c5 to put it in perspective, the codebase I am responsible for, was writen in pascal in 1985 |
| 04:31.16 | Will07c5 | damn... |
| 04:31.29 | DTRemenak | that's what, four years before you were born? :) |
| 04:31.39 | Will07c5 | yeah pretty much |
| 04:31.56 | DTRemenak | tries to do hex fast in his head |
| 04:31.58 | JeffM | at least I got to rewrite the compiler from scratch, it dosn't have any p2c code in it |
| 04:32.10 | Will07c5 | 07c5 = 1989 |
| 04:32.17 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 04:32.21 | DTRemenak | thus the four years :) |
| 04:33.32 | Will07c5 | it is nice having people who actually notice that 07c5 is my birth year in hex :) |
| 04:33.49 | DTRemenak | to put that back into perspective, if you work on bzworkbench this summer, you'll be working on 2-year-old code written in a decently modern (if slightly java-tinged) style |
| 04:34.07 | JeffM | indeed |
| 04:34.19 | JeffM | in a moderatly sucky GUI toolkit :) |
| 04:34.33 | DTRemenak | if you work on opengl modularization, you'll be working with an amalgamation of code in various styles put together over the last 15 years |
| 04:34.43 | JeffM | and all my mispellings |
| 04:35.11 | JeffM | scared yet? |
| 04:35.12 | DTRemenak | that's part of your "style" :P |
| 04:36.08 | Will07c5 | well I've gotten some idea from writing my patch, so yes :P |
| 04:36.14 | Will07c5 | but I can handle it |
| 04:36.21 | DTRemenak | it's good to be a little scared :D |
| 04:36.37 | Will07c5 | it isn't like I have anything better to do this summer :D |
| 04:36.38 | DTRemenak | >:) ? not sure how to do a devilish smiley |
| 04:37.06 | DTRemenak | could go for a girlfriend ;) |
| 04:37.31 | Will07c5 | psssh that's crazy-talk |
| 04:39.04 | DTRemenak | I'm not one to talk, I guess :) |
| 04:41.17 | Will07c5 | I actually do know a girl who goes to my school and lives relatively close to my house... |
| 04:41.32 | Will07c5 | :P |
| 04:53.45 | JeffM | ponders how to do material overides |
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| 05:58.12 | BulletCatcher | Just for you, JeffM. :-) |
| 05:58.27 | JeffM | heh |
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| 06:57.53 | brlcad | MCP has to be a play on Tron |
| 07:03.53 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19621 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (BZFlag.nsi BZFlagGDF/ GameExplorer.nsh): The Vista Game Explorer integration can wait until later. Too much of a pain to worry about right now. |
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| 07:58.00 | TutTankAhmon | Hi all |
| 07:58.13 | PositiveG | Hello |
| 07:58.43 | a_meteorite | King Tut had a Tank? |
| 07:59.11 | PositiveG | "People Powered" |
| 08:00.07 | a_meteorite | I heard his tank could climb pyramids! Here we are thousands of years later and our tanks can't. :( </sarcasm> |
| 08:00.36 | PositiveG | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.56 | a_meteorite | :P |
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| 08:10.01 | TutTankAhmon | a_meteorite: i must admit that my callsign isn't the best play-of-word i've ever made :) |
| 08:10.52 | TutTankAhmon | and btw you xml sarcasm tag is malformed |
| 08:11.56 | blast007 | actually it's SML - Sarcasm Markup Language |
| 08:12.53 | TutTankAhmon | blast007: then your right : you never know when sarcasm begins,neither when it ends :) |
| 08:13.16 | blast007 | ;) |
| 08:13.29 | TutTankAhmon | and my favourite game mode is ducati, so climb is not an option |
| 08:15.03 | TutTankAhmon | when i decided to play bzflag again after a 2 years break, i changed my nickname for a more "i18n"-friendly one |
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| 16:19.24 | BulletCatcher | Santosh_IIIT, what can we do to help you submit a patch within the next 15 hours? |
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| 16:26.21 | BulletCatcher | tigreped, we need a patch from you. How can we help you submit one today? |
| 16:28.35 | Santosh_IIIT | I have made a patch in the HUDRenderer.cxx file i.e. a modification in the implementation of a function and its return type as asked in the FIXME mentioned above it |
| 16:28.47 | Santosh_IIIT | just finished with it. |
| 16:29.47 | BulletCatcher | Great. Now you just need to submit it to the SourceForge tracker. |
| 16:30.28 | Santosh_IIIT | willl that be sufficient as it seems quite trivial |
| 16:30.55 | BulletCatcher | We won't know until we see it, but it sounds adequate. |
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| 16:49.38 | Santosh_IIIT | should I have to submit the diff file or the entire HUDRenderer.cxx file? |
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| 16:51.00 | joevano | Santosh_IIIT: a diff would be best |
| 16:51.16 | blast007 | 'svn diff' |
| 16:53.07 | trepan | it's good form to _always_ do a 'svn diff' and to check through it before committing (or submitting a patch, as the case may be :) |
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| 18:51.34 | brlcad | JeffM: I saw you undid some of the searching -- did you still need the run-time path location routine? |
| 18:52.29 | brlcad | probably could use it for some other data resource searching so I may just add it for the heck of it, but wondering if it's stil pressing |
| 18:53.50 | JeffM | brlcad: I still have it, as a last resort |
| 18:53.50 | trepan | brlcad: interested in converting to something like this? http://trepan.bzflag.bz/vectors.h |
| 18:54.40 | JeffM | so yeah I think we should still have it |
| 18:55.16 | JeffM | I'm also not sure how to find the config dir on the mac from within C# |
| 18:55.24 | brlcad | JeffM: okay, cool |
| 18:56.00 | JeffM | I still have startbzfs trying to find that file on the mac and linux as the only way, I just added an option on windows to search the priogram files dir first |
| 18:56.26 | JeffM | and I made a change the working dir for the process that starts bzfs when it's on the mac |
| 18:56.33 | brlcad | trepan: certainly more interesting than most ... not bad |
| 18:56.42 | JeffM | tho my "on the mac" checks will fail in mono, cus they is stupid |
| 18:56.44 | brlcad | missing tons of ops |
| 18:56.49 | JeffM | gonna have to find a better way |
| 18:57.16 | brlcad | wasn't mac your fallback? |
| 18:57.35 | JeffM | yeah, but macs return Unix to be true :( |
| 18:57.41 | brlcad | if not windows, not linux, .. must be a mac :) |
| 18:57.49 | JeffM | they will return as linux |
| 18:57.56 | brlcad | ah |
| 18:57.58 | brlcad | that sucks |
| 18:58.00 | brlcad | for many reasons :) |
| 18:58.01 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 18:58.10 | JeffM | .net has an OSX enum |
| 18:58.15 | JeffM | mono didn't implement it at first |
| 18:58.24 | JeffM | lots of software went and assumed mac == linux |
| 18:58.35 | JeffM | they went and tried to implmenet said enum |
| 18:58.39 | JeffM | lots of software broke |
| 18:58.41 | brlcad | surprised there aren't library facilities to abstract that in the std libs |
| 18:58.43 | JeffM | so they pulled it |
| 18:59.24 | brlcad | trepan: where was that pulled from? |
| 18:59.34 | JeffM | what bugs me most is, the mono comunity says "you shouldn't be using that enum, just check the path seperator character" |
| 18:59.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:59.48 | trepan | brlcad: my old meshlib |
| 18:59.50 | JeffM | and to me that is lame, if you have a functional mechaism to check the OS, friggin USE it |
| 19:00.20 | JeffM | maybe I can do something with uname |
| 19:00.46 | brlcad | trepan: I'm curious to compare that to our standard macro set in brl-cad |
| 19:01.10 | brlcad | whether the typechecking templatisms allow for some optimizations that can't be assumed with the straightup macros |
| 19:03.31 | brlcad | what we have found to be near-optimal for most platforms: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h |
| 19:03.55 | brlcad | which is of course mostly just straight up inline expansions |
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| 19:06.17 | trepan | brlcad: i'm more concerned about ease of use at this point, getting rid of some of the weird casting |
| 19:06.19 | joevano | JeffM: uname -s whould return 'Darwin' for OSX.. it is lame for a check, but it should work |
| 19:06.31 | JeffM | joevano: ok, thanks |
| 19:06.42 | JeffM | it's better then what we have now ;) |
| 19:09.13 | brlcad | uname -s is the default (on bsd uname iirc), so just uname returns Darwin too |
| 19:09.24 | JeffM | k |
| 19:09.58 | JeffM | all this cus some people shoulda checked the dir character when they cared about dirs, and used the OS thing instead :/ |
| 19:16.17 | trepan | <@JeffM> mono didn't implement it at first -- did it exist at first? |
| 19:17.23 | JeffM | true, it was added in 2.0 |
| 19:17.40 | JeffM | I can't blame mono actualy |
| 19:17.48 | trepan | brlcad: might be worth removing the template aspect, and just providing float vectors |
| 19:17.55 | trepan | doubt that bz uses many double vectors |
| 19:18.04 | trepan | (and it does make the error messages that much clearer :) |
| 19:18.09 | JeffM | it's the people who were trying to use the OS to tell them the dir seperator, when they could have just used the dir seperator system. |
| 19:18.44 | JeffM | goes and pulls an Erroneous |
| 19:19.14 | brlcad | looks for some place in bz where there are a lot of matrix ops going on |
| 19:20.47 | trepan | i've got matrices are in a separate header :) fmat3x3, fmat3x4, etc... |
| 19:21.10 | trepan | most of the bz matrix ops use MeshTransform, iirc |
| 19:22.39 | brlcad | yeah, at least the scene graph stuff |
| 19:23.39 | brlcad | ah, the obstacles |
| 19:27.01 | Santosh_IIIT | I have uploaded my patch on the sourceforge.net. nick - phanikrishna. I shall also place a link to my proposal on the bzflag wiki |
| 19:27.13 | brlcad | Santosh_IIIT: cool, thanks! |
| 19:27.19 | brlcad | what is it? |
| 19:28.00 | Santosh_IIIT | It's a small one- regarding the help statement etered |
| 19:29.06 | Santosh_IIIT | I found a FIXME which I implemented . At present it is parsed into words which are joined into a new string with implicit null characters |
| 19:30.13 | Santosh_IIIT | Instead I have used a vector which can store all the words independently so that they can be directly used as elements of the array without a second time parsing |
| 19:30.44 | Santosh_IIIT | when they have to be processed or rendered later(or transferred) |
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| 19:32.32 | trepan | brlcad: long story short ... worth committing if i wire-in that vectors.h file ? |
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| 19:37.15 | brlcad | trepan: sounds like a heck of a lot of refactoring for minimal gain |
| 19:37.34 | brlcad | but I dont think I would necessarily be against that particular implementation |
| 19:37.50 | brlcad | (and it'd be your fingers updating all that code after all, and it shouldn't be just partially sprinkled in) :) |
| 19:38.37 | brlcad | would be interesting to see if there was a measurable performance change after |
| 19:40.55 | trepan | for me, it's not about a performance gain (i don't expect any) |
| 19:40.59 | trepan | it's about cleaner code |
| 19:42.18 | trepan | got used to glsl vec3 type and SpringRTS's float3 ... |
| 19:44.40 | brlcad | meh, that part of it is indifferent to me, reads the same |
| 19:45.00 | brlcad | especially for vectors, but that's perhaps just me |
| 19:45.07 | JeffM | ok, when you can get class serialsiation down to one line... that is awesome :) |
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| 22:49.29 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19623 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Form1.Designer.cs ServerConfig.cs): write the -world last in the config, so that anything in the map overides the server settings. |
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| 22:58.14 | blast007 | JeffM: would't it be better the other way? |
| 23:00.12 | JeffM | that'd debatable |
| 23:00.21 | JeffM | it should be one or the other |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM | :) |
| 23:00.27 | JeffM | it was in the middle |
| 23:01.04 | blast007 | I think it's more intuitive to have the ui override in-map options |
| 23:01.09 | JeffM | ok |
| 23:01.13 | JeffM | then move it up to the top :) |
| 23:01.29 | blast007 | some stuff you can't, of course, like game style |
| 23:01.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:01.57 | JeffM | I just figured maps were often designed with some specifics in mind |
| 23:02.03 | JeffM | like shots and stuff |
| 23:02.09 | blast007 | I would, but I'm on my n800. not the best for coding ;) |
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| 23:02.46 | blast007 | I can do it later though |
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