| 00:00.09 | dexter- | uh yeah..i hadn't figured that |
| 00:00.09 | dexter- | :) |
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| 00:15.01 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * replaced 'deg2Rad' with 'DEG2RAD' (uppercase for #define'd constants) |
| 00:15.01 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * added RAD2DEG, DEG2RADf, and RAD2DEGf |
| 00:15.01 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * replaced some 'x / DEG2RAD' with 'x * RAD2DEG' |
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| 00:37.53 | DextructionBoy | cha |
| 00:45.06 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Dexter 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5719 10/w/GU_League: /* General Info */ |
| 00:45.37 | me1 | what's the word when you have a list like |
| 00:45.38 | me1 | 1 |
| 00:45.38 | me1 | 2 |
| 00:45.39 | me1 | 3 |
| 00:45.40 | me1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.42 | me1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.43 | me1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.44 | me1 | 4 |
| 00:45.46 | me1 | ? |
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| 00:46.33 | me1 | ... |
| 00:46.34 | trepan | ~brlcad++ |
| 00:46.44 | me1 | thanks for the help |
| 00:46.47 | brlcad | ~bulldozer++ |
| 00:47.24 | brlcad | me1: that wasn't a well-framed question |
| 00:47.44 | brlcad | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:48.04 | DextructionBoy | brlcad, lolz |
| 00:48.08 | me1 | it's a word used to describe a list with sub-categories, i think there is one? |
| 00:49.56 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Me1 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5720 10/w/GU_League: |
| 00:53.03 | brlcad | me1: sub-lists, second level of a hierarchical list, subtree, submenu |
| 00:53.05 | brlcad | make up a word |
| 00:53.14 | me1 | hierarchical! that's the word |
| 00:58.19 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19641 10/trunk/bzflag/include/common.h: |
| 00:58.19 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: * oops, changed a comment from // style to /**/ |
| 00:58.20 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: (common.h is also used in C sources) |
| 00:59.01 | trepan | actually, it doesn't appear to be used in any C sources ... |
| 00:59.13 | trepan | (not directly at least) |
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| 01:00.24 | trepan | maybe because there are only 2 bzflag *.c's, and they sit in misc? :) |
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| 01:54.19 | brlcad | waves to pacman87 |
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| 01:55.15 | pacman87 | waves back |
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| 02:44.30 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Dexter 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5727 10/w/GU_League: tons of edits, fixes and info |
| 02:44.38 | dexter- | woo..first article |
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| 03:25.53 | Will07c5 | since I haven't said anything in a couple days I just want to note that I am still working on DR, I was just busy for a few days with homework and this weekend is pretty much free for me so I should be able to finish up DR :) |
| 04:07.35 | blast007 | Will07c5: cool |
| 04:07.49 | blast007 | let me know if you need any help testing |
| 04:08.08 | Will07c5 | sure |
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| 06:58.22 | Constitution | forum admins... Grace F changed her callsign to "gracey" and apparently nightmare registered grace f thereafter and is going around with that callsign |
| 06:58.40 | Constitution | if it can be confirmed that it's one of his accounts it should be deleted? |
| 07:00.11 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 0372.206.107.61 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5730 10/w/GU_League: /* Official league servers */ |
| 07:11.44 | Constitution | ~karma dexter- |
| 07:11.45 | ibot | dexter- has karma of 2 |
| 07:11.48 | Constitution | ~karma whodaman- |
| 07:11.48 | ibot | whodaman- has karma of 14 |
| 07:11.56 | Constitution | ~whodaman-++ |
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| 07:14.18 | Constitution | kinda written like an advertisement though |
| 07:14.30 | TutTankAhmon | hi all ... |
| 07:15.21 | Constitution | hi |
| 07:15.33 | PositiveG | Hello |
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| 08:05.21 | CBG | thought it always made a LOT more sense to just have people register a new account for a name change. Avoids all sorts of other confusion too... |
| 08:08.25 | PositiveG | Yeah, change callsign in UCP the re-register your old name. That's what I did. |
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| 09:56.54 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r19642 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/WallObstacle.cxx: Do not crash when WallObstacle::getHitNormal is called |
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| 10:41.35 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Dexter 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5731 10/w/GU_League: /* Rules and Guidlines */ missing brackets |
| 10:53.11 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03SpazzyMcGee 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5732 10/w/Jargon: more |
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| 10:56.54 | dexter- | wow |
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| 10:57.02 | dexter- | that's odd we kinda did the same thing |
| 10:57.09 | PositiveG | heh |
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| 11:10.49 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Dexter 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5736 10/w/GU_League: /* Abbreviations you should know */ table instead of ugly list |
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| 11:53.49 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Dexter 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5737 10/w/GU_League: re-arrangement, new section, lotsa fixes |
| 11:58.43 | trepan | ts: thanks for finding that NULL bug |
| 11:58.58 | trepan | should be impossible to happen again by the time i'm done today ;-) |
| 12:05.36 | trepan | s/to happen/to have happen/ |
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| 13:25.24 | delusional | trepan ../../include/vectors.h:133: warning: 'p$0' 'p$1' 'p#2' used uninitialized in this function |
| 13:39.08 | trepan | delusional: i'm removing the c-array based constructors |
| 13:39.18 | trepan | it's taking a little while ;-) |
| 13:39.41 | delusional | makes sense |
| 13:39.46 | trepan | 100k so far, probably another 100k by the time i'm done ... |
| 13:40.10 | trepan | but that code will be a happier place for it |
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| 13:53.19 | delusional | anytime you want to give us a flowchart on "how to use lua" we'd sure be appreciative. What we need is "first you need a,b,c.... you use it in manner d,e,f.... with expected results x,y,z" I had figured some things out when we were debugging client scripts for OSX, but then you immediately changed locations, etc. I'm not looking forward to another weekend reverse engineering which leads to misconceptions and incomplete conclusions. |
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| 13:56.33 | trepan | delusional: it'll be examples for starters, not a flowchart |
| 13:56.50 | trepan | and it'll have to wait for me to finish the event router |
| 13:57.19 | delusional | ok, just letting you know that I'm waiting |
| 13:57.39 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5738 10/w/GU_League: /* General Info */ Changed date from European format to one that cannot be confused... |
| 14:04.12 | delusional | there should be a way to clearly differentiate client scripts from server scripts. |
| 14:05.44 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5739 10/w/Jargon: /* Acronyms */ added a few more |
| 14:06.02 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Me1 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5740 10/w/Jargon: |
| 14:06.07 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Me1 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5741 10/w/GU_League: /* Abbreviations you should know */ |
| 14:06.22 | trepan | delusional: yes, and no |
| 14:06.43 | me1 | joevano, heh, we added those at the same time |
| 14:06.51 | trepan | modules have a 'scripts' field that can be used to indicated which scripts they work in |
| 14:08.55 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Me1 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5742 10/w/Jargon: /* Acronyms */ oops! lets get rid of these doubles... Also added "sry" |
| 14:11.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5743 10/w/Jargon: Clean up, alphabetize *most* of the acronyms |
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| 14:45.52 | RAThomas | good job, guys ;) |
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| 17:31.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19643 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/ (5 files): |
| 17:31.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Correct the order in which FT_Done_Face is called via the library's destructors. |
| 17:31.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: This fixes the bzflag crash-on-exit problem. |
| 17:31.28 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Thanks to Mathew Eis (kingrobot) for SF patch 2721799, which is hereby accepted with some whitespace changes for consistency with other FTGL code. |
| 17:42.44 | BulletCatcher | brlcad and sam, I recommend applying that change to the FTGL upstream. |
| 17:47.39 | brlcad | k |
| 17:52.19 | sam | looks OK |
| 17:54.10 | BulletCatcher | It works for me on Linux and MacOS, but you might want to wait until someone tries it on Windows just to be sure. |
| 17:54.38 | BulletCatcher | It was only on MacOS where I experienced the crash-on-exit bug. |
| 17:55.55 | brlcad | he done good |
| 17:56.08 | brlcad | the crash itself was already hacked around and prevented |
| 17:56.20 | brlcad | that patch fixes the underlying issue |
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| 18:03.31 | RAThomas | anything in particular I should do in testing it on Winders? |
| 18:04.02 | RAThomas | or look for |
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| 18:16.36 | brlcad | RAThomas: basically run the client and make sure it doesn't crash when you quit |
| 18:16.53 | RAThomas | gotcha |
| 18:17.18 | RAThomas | to bad this Vista box is a dog... still compiling |
| 18:17.49 | JefferyM | what kinda machine is it? |
| 18:26.04 | RAThomas | Dell Dimension E521, Athlon X2 |
| 18:26.27 | JefferyM | oh |
| 18:26.33 | JefferyM | my condolences :) |
| 18:26.37 | Winny | hehe |
| 18:26.41 | JefferyM | you are using visual C++? |
| 18:26.54 | JefferyM | if so, did you tell it to compile 2 projects at a time? |
| 18:28.09 | RAThomas | Mmmm, no I didn't tell it that |
| 18:28.14 | JefferyM | it helps |
| 18:28.58 | JefferyM | tools menu-> options->projects and solutions->build and run-> max number of parallel project builds |
| 18:29.18 | RAThomas | 5 unresolved externals linking bzflag.exe (ftgl_static.lib) |
| 18:29.42 | JefferyM | what project did you run? |
| 18:30.18 | RAThomas | bzflag.vcproj |
| 18:30.33 | JefferyM | you open the sln files not the .vcproj files |
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| 18:31.16 | RAThomas | erm, I may have done that. Starting over to be sure |
| 18:31.27 | JefferyM | it shuld build ftgl as part of the build |
| 18:31.31 | JefferyM | did it fail? |
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| 18:47.33 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Positive Gravity 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5748 10/w/Jargon: /* Acronyms */ |
| 18:47.37 | RAThomas | looks like it *didn't* build ftgl. I *definitely* loaded bzflag.sln this time ;) |
| 18:47.47 | RAThomas | build output: http://pastebin.ca/1388234 |
| 18:48.50 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Positive Gravity 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5749 10/w/Jargon: /* Acronyms */ |
| 18:49.29 | RAThomas | ah, forcing a rebuild on ftgl now |
| 18:49.31 | me1 | PositiveG, LANG is not an acronym |
| 18:50.06 | RAThomas | abbreviation |
| 18:50.15 | me1 | also, it's already in the jargon section |
| 18:51.34 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Me1 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5750 10/w/Jargon: "lang" isn't an acronym, and it's already in the list anyways. |
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| 18:56.18 | RAThomas | JefferyM: FTCleanup.cpp was not in the project |
| 18:56.22 | RAThomas | success this time |
| 19:05.37 | RAThomas | runs OK, no crash when quitting on Winders Vista |
| 19:09.47 | RAThomas | BulletCatcher: you added FTCleanup.cpp to Makefile.am but not to ftgl_static.vcproj, otherwise it's cool |
| 19:14.42 | BulletCatcher | I don't know nothin' about no Windows project files, Miss Scarlet! |
| 19:14.49 | RAThomas | :) |
| 19:15.49 | RAThomas | I'm have to develop code for both Windows and Linux... so now I know nothin' about both! |
| 19:16.00 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 19:19.59 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19644 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/msvc/vc8/ftgl_static.vcproj: Add the new FTCleanup.cpp and FTCleanup.h files. |
| 19:20.05 | BulletCatcher | Try that. |
| 19:28.08 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19645 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Distribute the new StartBZFS tool with the rest of BZFlag. |
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| 19:44.01 | me1 | ~bzflist |
| 19:52.59 | Winny | ibot: no, s=2 |
| 19:54.46 | blast007 | no, f(x)=mx+b |
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| 20:13.28 | JefferyM | BulletCatcher, it's just XML don't fear it ;) |
| 20:18.16 | BulletCatcher | hums Blue Oyster Cult |
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| 21:10.06 | RatOmeter | I noticed an oddity with sound regarding levels at a distance (from trunk)... |
| 21:10.26 | JefferyM | and that is? |
| 21:11.46 | RatOmeter | at bzflag3.norange.ca, standing on a square approximately map middle, but closer to west side... if I fire (a GM in this case) at the west, the sound when it explodes is Xl = Xr (left and right ears) |
| 21:12.34 | RatOmeter | I turn and face the east and fire, the explode sound (should be further away) is louder: Xl * 1.5 == Xr * 1.5... |
| 21:12.51 | JefferyM | odd |
| 21:13.48 | Winny | stereo is overrated |
| 21:14.18 | JefferyM | our doppler code is overrated ;) |
| 21:14.21 | JefferyM | and very old |
| 21:15.02 | RatOmeter | there's also a noticable imbalance with the explosion when facing north or south... louder in one ear or another depending on which direction. |
| 21:15.14 | RatOmeter | so you reckon it may be doppler related? |
| 21:15.26 | JefferyM | that's what does the 3d sound |
| 21:15.27 | JefferyM | so yeah |
| 21:15.34 | JefferyM | we do our own sound mixing |
| 21:15.41 | JefferyM | so it can't be anything other then that code |
| 21:16.21 | RatOmeter | aye. probably the same in 2.0.x? |
| 21:16.33 | JefferyM | and 1.10.x |
| 21:16.37 | JefferyM | and 1.7.x |
| 21:16.40 | JefferyM | and 1.6.x |
| 21:16.41 | RatOmeter | have to find an empty map so it's quiet ;) |
| 21:16.42 | JefferyM | ;) |
| 21:16.50 | JefferyM | it's origonal code |
| 21:17.10 | JefferyM | the only sound changes that have been made is just moving the code into a sound manager |
| 21:17.21 | JefferyM | the actual playing of stuff is basicly the same since day one |
| 21:17.47 | RatOmeter | OK. Guess I never noticed when playing, with the excitement of being shot at and all ;) |
| 21:18.06 | JefferyM | it's defenatly not a 100% accurate sound model |
| 21:18.21 | JefferyM | the speed of sound has been lowered to make it more "dramatic" |
| 21:18.28 | RatOmeter | Odd that cardinal directions seem to have anything to do with it, though that's probably a red herring |
| 21:18.52 | JefferyM | a good test would be to have 2 tanks joined |
| 21:19.00 | JefferyM | one the listender and one a shooter, making sounds |
| 21:19.07 | JefferyM | and have just the shooter move around the listener |
| 21:19.34 | RatOmeter | I can probably manage that here |
| 21:19.56 | JefferyM | you should also see more lag between the shot and the sound the further you get away from the tank |
| 21:21.14 | RatOmeter | that does appear to work "right" |
| 21:22.14 | RatOmeter | which accentuates that the farther explosion was *louder* that the near one |
| 21:23.22 | JefferyM | I don't know if there is code for atenuation. |
| 21:23.29 | JefferyM | attenuation even |
| 21:24.18 | RatOmeter | so the effect may be operating only on [flawed?] doppler calcs |
| 21:25.07 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 21:25.14 | JefferyM | we know they arn't meant to be real |
| 21:25.25 | JefferyM | it could also be problems in the sound thread I guess |
| 21:25.34 | JefferyM | but it's hard to say with out debuging. |
| 21:25.58 | JefferyM | I've always just let other libs handle 3d sound |
| 21:26.07 | JefferyM | mixing your own is wierd in this day in age |
| 21:26.45 | RatOmeter | well, I see several FIXMEs in PlatformSound.cxx |
| 21:26.55 | JefferyM | such as? |
| 21:27.13 | RatOmeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.22 | JefferyM | fun |
| 21:27.29 | RatOmeter | right after " /* compute doppler effect */" |
| 21:27.45 | JefferyM | yeah then we don't do attenuation for the 3d space |
| 21:28.49 | RatOmeter | I'll poke around. Maybe I'll eventually make a tangible contribution ;) |
| 21:29.13 | JefferyM | be simpler just to make an OpenAL sound class and just have everyone use that |
| 21:29.18 | JefferyM | then you shunt it off to the hardware |
| 21:31.27 | RatOmeter | if OpenAL provides the features bz tries to do itself, then that sounds like the right way. |
| 21:31.42 | JefferyM | heh, it does more then bzflag does |
| 21:32.42 | trepan | could copy the SpringRTS OpenAL wrapper, probably not a bad match |
| 21:32.56 | JefferyM | probalby not |
| 21:33.00 | trepan | (but they'll also require vorbis libs, iirc) |
| 21:33.01 | JefferyM | tho openAL is pretty easy |
| 21:33.10 | JefferyM | we have a sound wraper for the bzflag stuff now |
| 21:33.18 | trepan | ya, that could be improved |
| 21:33.22 | JefferyM | probably |
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| 23:59.22 | RatOmeter | (after cooking dinner) I tested the sound issue on 2.0.10 on an empty server and I did *not* experience the same issue. I'll do further testing |