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02:32.49CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19890 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/Teleporter.cxx: * improved formatting
02:34.56CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19891 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ComposeDefaultKey.cxx: * removed the 'noDefaultWordComplete' check
02:35.50CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19892 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/maps/hix.bzw: * added an 'info' block
02:38.00CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19893 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/Roaming.cxx:
02:38.02CIA-60BZFlag: * BZDBCache::muzzleHeight substitutions
02:38.04CIA-60BZFlag: * clamped 'phi' to +/-PI to avoid camera flips
02:42.21trepanoops, +/-PI/2, aka 90deg
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03:49.39CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19894 10/trunk/bzflag/ (12 files in 8 dirs):
03:49.39CIA-60BZFlag: * added text messages for teleport links
03:49.39CIA-60BZFlag:  - shotPassText
03:49.39CIA-60BZFlag:  - tankPassText
03:49.39CIA-60BZFlag:  - passText (shots and tanks)
03:49.40CIA-60BZFlag: * bumped protocol and rev
04:16.39CIA-60BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19895 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 4 dirs): meshes should theoretically work after bugs in the parser are fixed
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12:32.59CIA-60BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5874 10/w/New_Features: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/86.139.154.140|86.139.154.140]] ([[User talk:86.139.154.140|Talk]]); changed back to last version by [[User:130.65.216.15|130.65.216.15]]
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12:43.35joevanoI really need to change my name on the wiki as well
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16:09.20JefferyMahh he left, too bad
16:10.12JefferyManyone know what is new bzbb nick is?
16:11.04trepanhe'd like it changed from {yanis} to {janis}
16:11.20JefferyMI know what he wants, he can't have it
16:11.29JefferyM{} is dissalowed now
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16:13.47SargunDoes BZFlag support frame buffer/directfb?
16:14.06JefferyMthat's up to your openGL implementation and video driver, not us
16:14.13JefferyMwe don't have anything that does our own rendering
16:14.28SargunHm.
16:14.36Sargunhas only dealt with X-based OpenGL
16:14.55JefferyMthere is probably a way to get mesa to do it
16:14.56SargunI want to get BZFlag running on a device with only FB, and would prefer not to deal with the ugliness of X
16:15.21JefferyMis there an SDL port for the device that supports openGL?
16:16.07SargunNo.
16:16.30JefferyMbzflag only has 2 systems for video management on linux, X11 native stuff, or SDL
16:16.41JefferyMif you want anything else you'd have to write it in yourself
16:16.53JefferyMwhat is the device?
16:17.21SargunPalm Pre.
16:17.39JefferyMheh, good luck
16:17.43Sargunyou know how whenever you hack a device, the first thing you do is get quake running on it?
16:17.51SargunWell, we've hacked it, it uses directfb
16:18.20Sargunexcept, I thought it would be funny to use bzflag instead of quake
16:18.20trepanlibgl1-mesa-directfb-dev ?
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16:18.31JefferyMyeah I thought there was a framebuffer mesa
16:18.42JefferyMtho you'll probalby have to write your own platform code for the other stuff
16:18.54JefferyMinput, display setup, sound, networking, etc..
16:19.25JefferyMwhat sound API does it use?
16:19.29SargunAlsa
16:19.34Sargunwhy do you say for networking?
16:19.41JefferyMsockes
16:19.44JefferyMsockets
16:19.48TD-Linuxit uses linux
16:19.54SargunPalm Pre is Linux, you know that, right?
16:20.01JefferyMthere are many meanings of "linux" TD-Linux ;)
16:20.01TD-Linuxdirectfb kind of indicates Linux :P
16:20.16TD-LinuxJefferyM: true, but sockets are part of the kernel
16:20.20JefferyMlinux it self dosn't actualy have sound, it uses extenszions, that's why I ask
16:20.22JefferyMI know
16:20.41JefferyMbut since it's a mobile device, it may have extensions to let is use the various data networks
16:20.41Sargunit uses BSD Sockets.
16:20.42Sargun:-)
16:21.17JefferyMI would not assume the fact that all the aspects of it's mobile nature are insulated from the application
16:22.19JefferyMstill you are going to ether have to port SDL to it using the mesa FB for GL support, or build your own platform classes that setup mesa, and do direct ALSA calls for sound
16:22.37JefferyMand you'll probalby want to mod out input to make it better for the device
16:22.53JefferyMas I can't see the touchscreen emulating a 3 button mouse
16:23.11JefferyMbut it would not be the hardest mobile port
16:23.20JefferyMhow much ram does it have?
16:23.44Sargun256
16:24.11JefferyMnot bad
16:24.36JefferyMtho you'll probably want to rescale the images for the textures, our higher res ones would be wasted on that display
16:26.16trepancould probably use "forceMaxTextureSize"
16:26.22JefferyMyeah
16:26.35JefferyMit does have 8 gigs of space
16:26.46JefferyMolder devices with less storage would want to save on the install space
16:27.22JefferyMI'm not sure if the current code will draw a good hud at 320 wide, but that should be tweakable
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16:30.04TD-Linuxhow fast is mesa's sw renderer nowadays?
16:30.17JefferyMdepends on the CPU
16:30.29JefferyMit's decently optimised IIRC
16:31.18TD-Linuxthe nintendo wii has only 80MB of RAM :S
16:31.29JefferyMgood for it
16:32.36TD-Linuxthe relevance being I am currently working on writing a gallium3d driver for the wii's GPU, so bzflag might run on there too at some point :)
16:32.52MindstormsKidBZFlag on the wii? :D
16:33.16JefferyMnindendo allows people to run unsigned code on the wii?
16:33.18TD-Linuxand I could attempt it with sw renderer now, but only 700Mhz PPC probably wouldn't be fun
16:33.27TD-LinuxJefferyM, no, but it's been done for ages now
16:33.32TD-Linuxhttp://wiibrew.org/
16:33.39JefferyMthen please keep that kind of stuff to yourself
16:34.13JefferyMthis isn't the place to talk about cracking hardware and running software of dubious legality
16:36.09TD-Linuxthe team that does the wii homebrew is a bit different than most, in that they keep everything legal (no nintendo code to be found anywhere) and are quite against piracy (partly because many are also game developers)
16:36.25JefferyMyou still have to hack out the device
16:36.35JefferyMthat's not what we are here for
16:36.50JefferyMif sargun has to do the same thing to his device, same thing goes
16:38.44Sargunwe have an omap3
16:38.58JefferyMand that is?
16:39.21TD-Linuxit's a texas instruments ARM processor + graphics, etc
16:39.24Sargunhttp://pastebin.com/m32f9a943
16:39.25Sargunosm
16:39.27Sargunerr
16:39.29Sargunisn't that awesome?
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16:39.42TD-Linuxit's very common on handheld devices like this, cellphones, etc
16:42.41SargunTD-Linux, uhm, OMAP3?
16:42.51SargunTD-Linux, This is the first major consumer device to ship with OMAP3
16:45.22TD-LinuxI was talking OMAP SoC's in general
16:48.16Sargunah, yeah
16:55.33Thumper_trepan: r19889 breaks conf file processing where you have two help message options (bzfs -conf x.conf)  x.conf -> http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m51191e3b
16:55.49Thumper_it seems any line following the first -helpmsg with a " in it is flagged as a bad argument
16:56.54{yanis}Thumper: shouldnt the slash be before "help"
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16:57.17Thumper_no - it's a bzfs commandline option
16:57.20Thumper_in a configuration file
16:58.14trepanThumper_: thanks, will fix
16:58.21Thumper_trepan: thx
16:58.56trepanthere was an 'i++' left over...
17:00.49CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19896 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx:
17:00.49CIA-60BZFlag: * fixed the -helpmsg case by removing the extraneous i++
17:00.49CIA-60BZFlag:  (thanks to Thumper for pointing it out)
17:03.50CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19897 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: * replaced the 'argc' variable
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17:41.37Thumper_trepan: thx that works :)
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17:54.25Will07c5how important is support for info sections in bzworkbench?
17:55.07JefferyMit'd be nice
17:55.18JefferyMwe want to push people into using them for license data
17:59.22Will07c5ok since it looks like I have a second week scheduled for dialogs I should have time
17:59.45Will07c5but unless it is a big priority I'm getting everything else done first
17:59.47JefferyMcool
17:59.55JefferyMit can wait till the end, that's for sure
18:00.27Will07c5ok cool :)
18:01.08Will07c5now I'm going to try and figure out why the parser still is choking on meshes
18:15.17Will07c5the parser really needs to be made more efficient, since it has been loading H20-R1.bzw for over a minute now
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18:16.50Will07c5and now I have to do it again because I made a mistake
18:18.26trepanWill07c5: what's the minimum OSG version that bzworkbench is supposed to work with?
18:18.45Will07c5I'm using 2.8
18:21.08CIA-60BZFlag: 03trepan * r19898 10/trunk/bzworkbench/INSTALL: * updated the OSG version requirement
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18:56.35CIA-60BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r19899 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/ (model/BZWParser.cpp objects/mesh.cpp): fixed crash on meshes
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19:15.45Bambino_Is anyone willing to help me with something? I can't get the list server, BZBB, or auth...
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19:16.24_WarPig_What can I do?
19:18.08Bambino_I can't get auth, BZBB, or the list server
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19:19.13_WarPig_No problems here
19:22.45Bambino_I know, 2nd day in a row, it's consistently down for me
19:23.46Bambino_grrrrrr
19:24.53_WarPig_Hmmm.  Maybe firewalled?
19:25.17Bambino_disbles firewall
19:25.57_WarPig_Are you at home?  ...work?  ...stealing someone elses WiFi?
19:26.59_WarPig_can you ping bzflag.org?
19:27.01Bambino_At home on my wifi
19:27.13Bambino_and I disabled my firewall
19:27.23Bambino_and I get "Can't talk with list server"
19:27.36_WarPig_can you ping bzflag.org?
19:28.39Bambino_apparently
19:29.54_WarPig_..then you should be able to go to http://my.bzflag.org/bb without issue.
19:36.59Bambino__WarPig_: I this is what I'm getting http://imagebin.org/52154
19:39.19SpazzyMcGeebambino, have you tried port 81?
19:39.26SpazzyMcGeehttp://my.bzflag.org:81/bb/
19:39.37SpazzyMcGeeSame error?
19:40.08_WarPig_Bambino_: Try http://66.111.56.50/bb
19:40.50_WarPig_...will eliminate DNS as the culprit
19:41.51Bambino_SpazzyMcGee: I got a Netowrk Timeout with your idea, trying WP's now
19:42.53Bambino__WarPig_: I got the same error as before
19:43.16_WarPig_...but you get google, yahoo, etc, no problem?
19:43.21Bambino_yep
19:43.27Bambino_everything else id fine
19:43.38Bambino_just bzbb, wiki, auth, list server
19:43.52Bambino_is*
19:44.10_WarPig_the bz gods hate you for some reason. ;)
19:44.31_WarPig_takes a step back from Bambino
19:44.46Bambino_smites _WarPig_
19:45.08Bambino_It is really annoying
19:45.30Bambino_tries strayer's stat site
19:45.39_WarPig_From a command prompt, what do you get if you 'ping 66.111.56.50'
19:47.17Bambino_"Pinging 66.111.56.50 with 32 bytes of data:
19:47.24Bambino_Request timed out.
19:47.26Bambino_Request timed out.
19:47.28Bambino_Request timed out.
19:47.37joevanorouting issue
19:47.54Bambino_100% loss of packets
19:47.55_WarPig_how about 'tracert 66.111.56.50'
19:48.10joevanoor you have been nocked out at the firewall on the box
19:48.30_WarPig_He's at home on wireless.
19:48.40Bambino_joevano: I took out my firewall
19:48.51_WarPig_Can get to everywhere EXCEPT bzbb, wiki, auth, list server
19:48.56joevanoyeah, but the bzflag.org server has one
19:49.10_WarPig_Thats what it looks like to me
19:49.15joevanoand a new range was added recently
19:49.17_WarPig_tracert will tell
19:49.41joevanowhat is your external ip bambino
19:51.22Bambino_24.108.169.37
19:51.27Bambino_I think that;s my new one
19:51.42Bambino_IPS gave me a new IP a few weeks ago
19:52.01Bambino_*sigh*
19:52.04joevanoyep that is it
19:52.16Bambino_what is?
19:53.13JefferyMwhat range is he in?
19:53.27joevanoyour current IP address, had just found it at the same time you told me
19:53.39Bambino_ah
19:54.03joevanonot the same one i think... i have Harry at 76.254.*.*
19:54.17Bambino_and about 10000 other ranges
19:54.26Bambino_anyways
19:54.34Bambino_I need to go, back in a few hours :/
19:54.38Bambino_thanks for all the help
19:54.42_WarPig_np
19:54.43joevanoso did you try the tracert?
19:54.46Bambino_yes
19:55.03Bambino_will be late for work
19:55.15blast007he's firewalled
19:55.21_WarPig_no doubt
19:55.24Bambino_out of bzflag.bz?
19:55.28blast007yes
19:55.31Bambino_ouch
19:55.42Bambino_what ever I did, I'm sorry :P
19:55.59_WarPig_See, I told you the bz gods hated you :P
19:56.07Bambino_ha ha ha
19:56.26Bambino_ok, thanks all
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20:39.57SargunOk, I got SDL working, now how do I make bzflag use SDL
20:44.25JefferyMit's our default
20:44.48JefferyMwhen you build our configure system will look for SDL and use it if it exists on the system
20:45.16SargunSDL DirectFB_SetVideoMode: 640x480@32, flags: 0x10000012
20:45.16SargunCould not set Video Mode: OpenGL not available.
20:45.16SargunError creating window - Exiting
20:45.18Sargunugh.
20:45.37JefferyMthats what I meant by gettting SDL to greate the window properly ;)
20:46.07Sarguncan I turn off opengl
20:46.08JefferyMyou'll have to get bzflag to always use one resoltuon
20:46.13JefferyMno... we need that
20:46.18Sargunoh, ugh
20:46.24JefferyMthe error is from bzflag trying to ask STL to change resolutions
20:46.32JefferyMbecause we run in many sizes
20:46.45JefferyMyou want to set it to only use the device size
20:46.53Sargunyeah, I do.
20:47.03Sarguncan I do that easily, or would it require a major mod?
20:47.07Sargunlike,  commenting out some code? :-)
20:47.15JefferyMprobably not
20:47.25Sargunwhich one?
20:47.26JefferyMmore like hardcoding some values
20:47.42JefferyMit should not be too hard, but it's more then just commenting out lines
20:48.03Sargunhm, can you think of any other games that use SDL?
20:48.06Sargunand not GL
20:48.12JefferyM2d games
20:48.20JefferyMSDL has samples
20:49.03Sargunwhat's that one quake engine that uses SDL?
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20:49.43JefferyMsdlquake
20:49.58JefferyMit does it's own rendering using the quake software rendering system
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