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| 00:31.30 | SpazzyMcGee | I'll probably get an 'it's done when it's done', but is 3.0 *anywhere* near release? Just wondered if I should hold off releasing my new 'comeback' map, so I can make use of some of the new features (mesh-teles!) |
| 00:35.20 | a_meteorite | I think it's "relatively" close. ;) |
| 00:35.35 | a_meteorite | But I ain't a dev. |
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| 01:27.06 | Bambino | Who wants diamonds? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=41735 http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=13988 |
| 01:27.11 | Bambino | ^ ads |
| 01:29.44 | spldart | They read like a fortune cookie |
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| 01:56.28 | JeffM | does not like the phpbb3 group manager.. not one bit |
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| 02:53.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | *sigh* i have an in-expanable problem. :D all i can say is that the map, when loaded into bzflag, moves, sort of. its wierd. download: http://tonystechhelp.com/map.bzw |
| 02:54.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 02:54.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | thank you |
| 03:06.29 | Bambino | ##bzw is the mapping channel |
| 03:25.32 | AAA_awright | By the two # it isn't the official channel of the bzw format |
| 03:26.05 | AAA_awright | Hmmm, is that project still going on? Last I heard was from Tanner. |
| 03:28.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | ty all i got it |
| 03:29.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | figured it out :P |
| 03:29.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | be |
| 03:29.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | bye |
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| 09:12.50 | cygal | wow, the "enhanced server listing" guy *loves* comments |
| 09:23.04 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r19962 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiServerListCustomTab.cxx: try to show that "Create Tab" is a button and that the user should press enter there to actually get his tab |
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| 10:43.12 | cygal | damn, gdb segfaulting |
| 10:48.23 | ruskie | so debug it ;) |
| 11:32.36 | cygal | well, it detects his crash, but still :) |
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| 12:32.47 | Constitution | ~blast007++ |
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| 12:52.31 | cygal | can anyone try to launch a trunk bzfs with -rabbit killer in gdb, and try to join, see if it gets a SIGPIPE, and see if your gdb does not produce an "internal error"? |
| 12:53.31 | blast007 | sure, let me check |
| 12:54.43 | cygal | thanks |
| 12:56.13 | blast007 | hmm, I would need to build a newer client |
| 12:56.23 | blast007 | cygal: want to try connecting to bzexcess.com port 5000? |
| 12:56.30 | blast007 | I have it running in gdb |
| 12:57.12 | cygal | sure |
| 12:58.13 | cygal | hm, I don't see it |
| 12:58.18 | blast007 | it's not listed |
| 12:58.21 | cygal | ok |
| 12:58.23 | blast007 | put the info in manually |
| 12:58.28 | cygal | yeah |
| 12:59.04 | cygal | so my client crashes too, great :) |
| 12:59.24 | blast007 | my server is still running from what I can tell |
| 12:59.36 | cygal | ok |
| 12:59.44 | cygal | thanks.. this is weird |
| 12:59.50 | cygal | last svn rev? |
| 13:00.06 | blast007 | I updated and built just before I ran it through gdb |
| 13:00.38 | cygal | first really weird bug, yay \o/ |
| 13:09.52 | blast007 | could just be a bug with your GDB too ;) |
| 13:10.00 | blast007 | what version do you have? |
| 13:10.15 | blast007 | GNU gdb 6.4.90-debian |
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| 13:13.37 | cygal | GNU gdb 6.8-debian |
| 13:13.42 | cygal | but the client does crash |
| 13:13.54 | blast007 | k |
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| 13:14.43 | cygal | did you close the server? |
| 13:14.53 | blast007 | yeah, let me start it again |
| 13:15.11 | blast007 | there |
| 13:15.33 | cygal | thanks |
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| 15:35.13 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19963 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: * fixes a RabbitChase bug, clients were getting -1 as their team number |
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| 15:39.01 | randomparticle | can i change the blue text colour in bzadmin? it's unreadable here atm |
| 15:39.39 | randomparticle | too little contrast with the black background, and if i make the console background a diff colour, bzadmin helpfully puts black underneath :) |
| 15:41.00 | randomparticle | also: minor point, but bzadmin doesn't check it's arguments for correct formatting. 'bzadmin -hide' for example just crashes |
| 15:41.08 | randomparticle | *its |
| 15:48.28 | blast007 | sure, you have the code, so change the color ;) |
| 15:59.17 | randomparticle | i keep sending messages to the wrong people because i can't read the send-to text |
| 15:59.35 | randomparticle | not nice to insult the wrong people :P |
| 16:00.41 | randomparticle | dark blue text on black background = bad :) |
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| 16:04.33 | jcp | I might just be looking in the wrong place, but is there any way to tell bzflag to route list server communication over an http proxy |
| 16:04.34 | jcp | ? |
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| 17:24.03 | blast007 | jcp: Don't think you can |
| 17:24.12 | blast007 | why do you need to? |
| 17:25.07 | jcp | I couldn't find any good documentation on the list server protocol, I want bztraining's web adminsitration interface to allow users to log in with their bzflag callsign too |
| 17:25.22 | JefferyM | use webauth |
| 17:25.25 | jcp | So then I can say that any server admins that have /ban can log in and view logs |
| 17:25.29 | jcp | JefferyM: what's that? |
| 17:25.46 | JefferyM | the web based bzfls authentication system so sites can do exactly what you want to |
| 17:25.53 | jcp | How do I do that? |
| 17:26.13 | blast007 | jcp: look at the image site |
| 17:26.14 | JefferyM | finds the docs on it |
| 17:26.17 | blast007 | it uses that |
| 17:26.26 | jcp | blast007: image site? |
| 17:26.37 | blast007 | and there is a checktoken.php file in the misc/ directory of the bzflag source |
| 17:26.39 | blast007 | images.bzflag.org |
| 17:26.46 | JefferyM | yeah basscly you redirect them to our site, they login, and get redirected to you, with a token |
| 17:26.52 | JefferyM | then you verify the token with the list server |
| 17:26.56 | JefferyM | and you can ask for groups |
| 17:26.59 | jcp | JefferyM: that would work |
| 17:27.06 | jcp | ah, perfect, the groups thing is what I need |
| 17:27.06 | JefferyM | that way you never see or store the user's password |
| 17:27.17 | jcp | Yeah, that'd be a plus because they'd be more likely to do that |
| 17:27.27 | JefferyM | jcp, not only will it work, it's the ONLY way you are getting access to bzbb data ;) |
| 17:27.34 | jcp | :D |
| 17:27.41 | jcp | Well I could figure out how the server does it and do it that way |
| 17:27.48 | JefferyM | and then we would ban you |
| 17:27.52 | jcp | But yeah, I like that they log in via bzflag.org, since then I don't see their password |
| 17:27.56 | jcp | And why would you do that? |
| 17:28.05 | JefferyM | because you are now a password stealing site |
| 17:28.14 | blast007 | the server doesn't get the password either |
| 17:28.16 | jcp | hehe |
| 17:28.20 | blast007 | so this IS how the server does it |
| 17:28.38 | JefferyM | if you made a page that emulated a client, we'd block you |
| 17:28.54 | jcp | ok, ok, I didn't mean it like that |
| 17:28.57 | JefferyM | also we reserve the right to change the backend later |
| 17:29.03 | jcp | I know, I know |
| 17:29.09 | JefferyM | this way we can keep the webauth page and interface clean |
| 17:29.23 | JefferyM | read the checktoken.php file |
| 17:29.26 | JefferyM | it has all the info you need |
| 17:29.29 | blast007 | also, just a note for when you're writing your system: treat the BZID as a string, not a number |
| 17:29.46 | blast007 | (since it won't necessarily be a number forever) |
| 17:30.13 | jcp | ok |
| 17:31.13 | jcp | JefferyM: misc has only servertest.php in it |
| 17:31.21 | JefferyM | jcp, no it dosn't |
| 17:31.28 | jcp | https://svn.sf.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/web/misc/ |
| 17:31.31 | trepan | misc/webauth/checkToken.php |
| 17:31.34 | JefferyM | look in the webauth dir |
| 17:31.48 | JefferyM | we cleaned up the misc dir for trunk :) |
| 17:31.52 | jcp | Can you send me a link? I'm completely not seeing it |
| 17:31.56 | jcp | oh heh, so it's in a branch? |
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| 17:32.02 | blast007 | no |
| 17:32.02 | JefferyM | what tree do you have? |
| 17:32.12 | JefferyM | it is in both |
| 17:32.14 | JefferyM | you just have to read |
| 17:32.34 | jcp | See the above link |
| 17:32.53 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/misc/webauth/ |
| 17:33.10 | JefferyM | that is for WEB, you want the trunk for the source |
| 17:33.14 | JefferyM | we never said web |
| 17:33.20 | jcp | ah, that's it |
| 17:33.26 | JefferyM | it ships with the software |
| 17:33.27 | jcp | oh wait |
| 17:33.30 | JefferyM | it's not part of our site |
| 17:33.31 | jcp | oh heh, ok |
| 17:33.43 | JefferyM | checktoken is the part you use |
| 17:33.51 | JefferyM | we don't want you to host the webauth php file |
| 17:33.54 | JefferyM | that's the point of it |
| 17:34.22 | jcp | Right, I thought webauth.php and checktoken.php were files on the server, webauth logs the player in and checktoken lets my server access it to verify the token, kinda forgot about /db for a moment |
| 17:34.36 | JefferyM | yes, that is how it works |
| 17:34.44 | JefferyM | but you don't host webauth.php |
| 17:34.45 | JefferyM | we do |
| 17:34.54 | JefferyM | you only use checktoken |
| 17:35.01 | JefferyM | you redirect players to our webauth |
| 17:36.13 | SpazzyMcGee | I just had a topic reply notification, from a topic that nobody replied to. |
| 17:36.15 | blast007 | weblogin.php act as the client on our server, and checktoken.php acts like the server on your server |
| 17:36.28 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: probably just a deleted post |
| 17:36.48 | SpazzyMcGee | 'applescript material generator' thread |
| 17:36.52 | SpazzyMcGee | fair enough |
| 17:37.02 | blast007 | probably a spammer ;) |
| 17:37.09 | SpazzyMcGee | yep |
| 17:39.15 | jcp | Yeah, I get it now. I was basically thinking checktoken was something you guys hosted that simplified access to /db |
| 17:39.16 | jcp | but I get it now |
| 17:39.28 | SpazzyMcGee | I asked this yesterday, but you'd just left, Jeff: I'llprobably get an 'it's done when it's done', but is 3.0 *anywhere* near release? Just wondered if I should hold off releasing my new 'comeback' map, so I can make use of some of the new features (mesh-teles!) |
| 17:39.45 | blast007 | jcp: er, yeah, guess I basically repeated what you said ;) |
| 17:39.55 | SpazzyMcGee | If it's beyond likely to be a few weeks, I might just release it now |
| 17:40.02 | trepan | release it now |
| 17:40.41 | SpazzyMcGee | to put it bluntly :p |
| 17:40.54 | ruskie | lol... what a coincidence... last time 1 -> 2 happened I didn't have a viable graphics card and it seems 2 -> 3 will be the same this time ;) |
| 17:40.56 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: you'd probably want to release it for 2.0.x anyway. People don't just upgrade to the latest version right when it comes out. There will be a long transistion period. |
| 17:41.33 | jcp | What someone needs to do is make it so that 3.0 clients can connect to 2.0.x servers, and somehow downgrade themselves accordingly |
| 17:41.35 | SpazzyMcGee | I suppose so |
| 17:41.42 | jcp | Would probably be difficult, but more people would upgrade ino |
| 17:41.44 | jcp | *imo |
| 17:41.54 | trepan | jcp: patches welcome |
| 17:42.06 | jcp | trepan: except that I'm not quite that good at C++ :) |
| 17:42.27 | trepan | you might be by the time you finished the patch |
| 17:42.36 | SpazzyMcGee | As far as I can remember, the 1.x to 2.x transition happened pretty quick |
| 17:42.37 | jcp | Well yeah, good point |
| 17:42.52 | JefferyM | jcp, we'll never give access to the db, even simplified |
| 17:43.09 | JefferyM | at most we'll make a name <-> bzid interface, and that's about it |
| 17:43.19 | JefferyM | no emails, or anything like that |
| 17:43.30 | SpazzyMcGee | Beyond the 'we'll never upgrade because of the wings flag' contingent. |
| 17:43.38 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:43.38 | jcp | JefferyM: So what does /db do then? |
| 17:43.48 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: usually people on linux lag behind |
| 17:43.50 | JefferyM | jcp shows how we do it |
| 17:43.57 | jcp | How does the client access it? |
| 17:44.00 | JefferyM | so that someone else could run there own list server |
| 17:44.06 | blast007 | jcp: /db is the list server, basically |
| 17:44.09 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:44.14 | JefferyM | the client auths when it lists |
| 17:44.25 | blast007 | (though also currently has the stats site stuck in there) |
| 17:44.28 | JefferyM | the code that we use for the list server is open source, the data is NOT |
| 17:44.58 | jcp | Right, I get this. What I'm saying is for some reason I basically thought checktoken.php was something you ran on the server that provided the exact functionality that whatever server-side script that allows the server to verify a token does |
| 17:45.02 | jcp | I was just mixed up |
| 17:45.08 | JefferyM | k |
| 17:45.21 | JefferyM | checktoken makes your website act like a game server |
| 17:45.36 | JefferyM | webauth, lets a web browser act like a client |
| 17:45.39 | jcp | Yeah, I get that now. So checktoken.php accesses the server |
| 17:45.44 | jcp | and verifies the user's token |
| 17:45.45 | JefferyM | accesses the list server |
| 17:45.48 | JefferyM | via http |
| 17:46.06 | jcp | instead of providing that verification server; what really does that, now that I've figured it out, is the list server |
| 17:46.15 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:46.16 | JefferyM | for now |
| 17:46.32 | JefferyM | at a later date that will be the ldap based auth system |
| 17:46.38 | jcp | yeah |
| 17:46.43 | jcp | ooh, switching to ldap? |
| 17:46.49 | jcp | When's that happening? |
| 17:46.52 | JefferyM | probably |
| 17:46.53 | blast007 | when it's done |
| 17:47.00 | jcp | gets tired of hearing that |
| 17:47.02 | jcp | but I suppose it's true |
| 17:47.03 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:47.10 | blast007 | there is no timelines or plans, really |
| 17:47.13 | JefferyM | then you really shoudl get out of open soruce :) |
| 17:47.23 | JefferyM | a student did the inital implementation last year |
| 17:47.27 | jcp | I know, I know |
| 17:47.29 | JefferyM | and he is finishing it this year |
| 17:47.34 | jcp | But Eclipse has a timeline, once yearly |
| 17:47.40 | jcp | oh, that's what bzauthd is? |
| 17:47.44 | JefferyM | yes |
| 17:47.53 | JefferyM | large proejcts are better managed then we are |
| 17:47.55 | jcp | but then again, eclipse has quite a few more developers than bzflag does and quite a larger userbase |
| 17:47.57 | jcp | yeah |
| 17:47.59 | JefferyM | exactly |
| 17:48.05 | JefferyM | they aslo can pay people to manage and work |
| 17:48.49 | jcp | Where do they get the money? |
| 17:48.50 | jcp | donations? |
| 17:49.01 | JefferyM | sales of support usualy |
| 17:49.11 | JefferyM | or getting paid for mods |
| 17:49.13 | jcp | eclipse sells support? |
| 17:49.17 | jcp | oh yeah, I can see that one |
| 17:49.22 | jcp | (not sarcastic) |
| 17:49.36 | JefferyM | I'm just guessing |
| 17:49.36 | blast007 | http://www.eclipse.org/galileo/friends.php <-- there's one way |
| 17:49.37 | JefferyM | I know that ogre sells support |
| 17:49.37 | JefferyM | each proejct does it differently |
| 17:50.19 | JefferyM | it helps to have a company use your tool as well, then it can pay some devs to work on it |
| 17:50.25 | JefferyM | since that benifts them too |
| 17:50.43 | jcp | yeah, I can see that |
| 17:50.53 | JefferyM | it needs strong management |
| 17:51.05 | jcp | So they just ask some big companies using eclipse to help them out if they're getting behind |
| 17:51.25 | JefferyM | depends on what kind of relationship you have with them |
| 17:51.30 | JefferyM | usualy it's the other way around |
| 17:51.39 | JefferyM | the big company says "we wanted this feature, so we wrote it" |
| 17:51.48 | jcp | oh yeah, that too |
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| 17:52.15 | JefferyM | or some of your main devs work for companies that use it, etc.. |
| 17:55.42 | trepan | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linuxkerneldevelopment.php -- an example of corporate OSS sponsorship |
| 17:56.36 | JefferyM | svn is also helped a lot by corps IIRC |
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| 18:04.31 | joevano | ~JefferyM++ |
| 18:20.55 | JefferyM | what'd I do now? |
| 18:21.18 | joevano | your FAQ comment.. it was classic |
| 18:21.24 | JefferyM | oh, heh |
| 18:30.46 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm sure I have read the FAQ. Once |
| 18:30.54 | SpazzyMcGee | A few years ago |
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| 18:39.54 | SpazzyMcGee | "How do I get one of those cool images under my name there on the left?" Should be "on the right" :p |
| 18:40.56 | blast007 | or "the other left" |
| 18:41.35 | SpazzyMcGee | "on the left left"? |
| 18:43.26 | SpazzyMcGee | Admins are red, not green |
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| 21:02.41 | Mets | afternoon folks |
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| 22:31.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | *sigh* need more help :) |
| 22:31.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyone here good at linking teles? they dont want to work for me. any help/teaching would be great: http://tonystechhelp.com/map.bzw |
| 22:34.03 | delusional | heh, wait till you see teles in 2.99 |
| 22:34.40 | delusional | you do have a manpage, right? |
| 22:35.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | what? |
| 22:35.25 | delusional | the bzw manual |
| 22:35.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | o i was reading wiki ::P |
| 22:35.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | it still didnt help me :) |
| 22:35.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | it said what to do, but it wouldnt work for me! :D |
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| 22:38.14 | delusional | here's an old one http://images.planet-mofo.com/A-Delusion/manpages_old/BZWmanpage2007.txt |
| 22:39.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks, but i need someone to either tell me what im doin wrong, or fix it for me :) |
| 22:39.22 | delusional | you need your :f and :b |
| 22:39.28 | delusional | front and back links |
| 22:39.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | i tried but what do i add to which one? im confused about front and back |
| 22:40.19 | delusional | teles are a pain in the butt, always were, always will be |
| 22:40.51 | Janis | mrapplecomputer: you mac user? |
| 22:41.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes |
| 22:41.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | like the name :) |
| 22:41.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | MAC1 for short |
| 22:41.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok ill give it a shot :) |
| 22:41.54 | Janis | download iBZEdit- map creating program, will be easier to work with teleporters |
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| 22:42.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | i have it |
| 22:42.57 | Janis | so whats the problem? you can easily set a destination where to teleport your tank |
| 22:43.05 | Janis | just double click on teleport |
| 22:43.25 | mrapplecomputer1 | dont you need to link in textedit? |
| 22:43.46 | Janis | why? if it is done automatically by program? |
| 22:44.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | it doesnt for me :) |
| 22:44.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | o well |
| 22:44.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | ill go try |
| 22:44.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | thank you allll! |
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| 22:44.27 | Janis | contact with me in the forums |
| 22:46.26 | delusional | i think the way ibzedit names teles is old-school, he will need to change the names slightly... i forget exactly what the difference is |
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| 22:51.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok i tried adding f and b to teles. they dont work either way!!!! ah! |
| 22:51.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | they only work on random. please help :) |
| 22:52.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | by the way, map file: http://tonystechhelp.com/map.bzw |
| 22:53.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | the only thing i can think of is that they are in a group. would this make a difference? |
| 22:53.11 | delusional | join this channel... ##bzw and i'll help |
| 22:53.20 | Think_Differentl | lots of Copy_Copy_Copys |
| 22:53.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 22:53.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | :) |
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