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| 00:36.33 | SportChick | brlcad: you arond? |
| 00:36.39 | SportChick | s/arond/around/ |
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| 01:05.25 | Sant | are there any good compilers for linux? |
| 01:05.57 | Sant | like visual C++ |
| 01:05.58 | Sant | ? |
| 01:06.01 | Mets | mmm, gcc? :P |
| 01:06.26 | Sant | but that one is on the terminal |
| 01:06.33 | Sant | I want one like Visual C++ |
| 01:07.42 | Mets | sounds like you want a C++ development suite for linux, is that right? |
| 01:07.50 | Sant | yep |
| 01:08.08 | Gnurdux | Kdevelop? |
| 01:08.15 | Sant | ill give it a try thx |
| 01:08.22 | Mets | eclipse is another one |
| 01:08.32 | trepan | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Devtools/ides.html |
| 01:09.31 | Sant | thx for the link Trepan |
| 01:09.46 | Sant | and I liek eclipse, thx |
| 01:10.00 | trepan | google, it's your friend: 'linux ide' |
| 01:10.06 | trepan | too late ;) |
| 01:11.32 | Mets | :) |
| 01:15.28 | me1 | trepan, have you seen this site? http://lmgtfy.com/ |
| 01:19.24 | joevano | Sant and there is Netbeans as well |
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| 01:28.35 | steerpike | what's "about" group? |
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| 01:34.32 | Sant | I compiled my own BZFLag on linux from the SVN but no servers are displayed |
| 01:34.55 | me1 | what version |
| 01:34.55 | temp_dist | trunk or 2.0_branch |
| 01:35.00 | Sant | trunk |
| 01:35.06 | Yassen | There has been a recent protocol change so server owners probably haven't updated to the most recent version. |
| 01:35.15 | Sant | ok |
| 01:35.22 | TD--Linux | the server list is down for 2.0_branch |
| 01:35.40 | Sant | how can I know the protocol? |
| 01:36.07 | TD-Linux | did you checkout from the 2.0 branch directory from svn |
| 01:36.10 | Yassen | A few servers owners do nightly builds so you will probably start seeing them in a few hours. |
| 01:36.13 | TD-Linux | or trunk? |
| 01:36.20 | Sant | trunk |
| 01:36.27 | Yassen | A. |
| 01:36.32 | trepan | Sant: ./bzflag -version |
| 01:36.35 | TD-Linux | trunk is 2.99, aka new version, aka noone ues it |
| 01:36.53 | Sant | ok |
| 01:37.00 | Sant | then should I get it from the branch? |
| 01:38.09 | Sant | thx |
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| 01:44.50 | steerpike | randomparticle: what's the "about" group? |
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| 04:14.34 | steerpike | hey jeff :) |
| 04:14.48 | blast007 | JefferyM: I'm around now. What did you need? |
| 04:15.12 | JefferyM | it's fine |
| 04:15.15 | JefferyM | all taken care of |
| 04:15.26 | JefferyM | unless you can get snick to listen to his own advice ;)\ |
| 04:15.34 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20026 10/trunk/bzflag/ (11 files in 7 dirs): |
| 04:15.34 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * implemented a basic version of the physics 'radial' parameter |
| 04:15.34 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * started to implement the physics 'relative' parameter |
| 04:15.38 | blast007 | JefferyM: hah.. |
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| 04:16.06 | JefferyM | time to remove a forum |
| 04:21.19 | brlcad | SportChick: sorta |
| 04:21.28 | steerpike | SportChick? |
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| 04:27.15 | JefferyM | yeah she's a player |
| 04:27.21 | JefferyM | or was |
| 04:27.47 | steerpike | was |
| 04:28.03 | JefferyM | hiatus ;) |
| 04:28.08 | JefferyM | while she raises some youngins |
| 04:28.17 | steerpike | yeah |
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| 04:30.17 | steerpike | wb swigg |
| 04:30.34 | swigg | titmoose! |
| 04:30.46 | steerpike | everyone's here is strutting around with their bzflag/player cloaks but me :\ |
| 04:30.58 | swigg | well go get one |
| 04:31.03 | steerpike | i can't |
| 04:31.17 | swigg | yes you can... you are an admin, so you are entitled |
| 04:31.29 | steerpike | got in trouble with freenode staffers |
| 04:31.39 | swigg | ??? |
| 04:32.03 | JefferyM | he can't he made a studpid mistake |
| 04:32.06 | swigg | did you ask JeffM or Blast? |
| 04:32.08 | JefferyM | so he's screwed |
| 04:32.12 | swigg | oh no |
| 04:32.13 | JefferyM | its out of our hands |
| 04:32.21 | JefferyM | and blast can't give em out ;) |
| 04:32.25 | JefferyM | me, brlcad, and tim |
| 04:32.52 | steerpike | have to wait till end of july :\ |
| 04:32.57 | swigg | he could ask nicely :) |
| 04:33.04 | JefferyM | no I can't |
| 04:33.07 | JefferyM | it really is out of our hands |
| 04:33.11 | JefferyM | he's on freenode suspension |
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| 04:35.27 | steerpike | JefferyM: so would you have to make another request at the end of july? |
| 04:35.47 | JefferyM | I don't know |
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| 04:35.58 | steerpike | they were nice enough to unkline my remote shell, so i'm not entirely upset with them |
| 04:36.01 | steerpike | hey Bambino |
| 04:36.02 | JefferyM | I'm not real linclined to ask again given the responce |
| 04:36.12 | steerpike | :\ |
| 04:36.19 | JefferyM | I'd get a freenode unaffilated cloak for a while and let that sit |
| 04:36.23 | JefferyM | then we'll see |
| 04:36.29 | steerpike | k |
| 04:37.06 | Bambino | steerpike: fast, I just ogged it :) |
| 04:41.50 | Winny | ok, just read bzbb for the first time in months - people are STILL going on about BZFlag on the iPhone OS? |
| 04:41.54 | Winny | cripes... |
| 04:42.02 | JefferyM | sadly |
| 04:42.04 | Winny | I thought that was put to bed months and months ago. |
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| 06:32.32 | cygal_ | hi. |
| 06:53.21 | Constitution | hi |
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| 17:13.45 | Will07c5 | since I finished the basic material and physics editors it looks like I'm ahead of schedule |
| 17:14.05 | Will07c5 | anyway I'm going to work on getting selection to work today |
| 17:17.05 | JefferyM | that'll be a fun one |
| 17:18.20 | kierra | waves @ JefferyM |
| 17:18.27 | JefferyM | hallo |
| 17:18.33 | JefferyM | how's it going? |
| 17:18.48 | Will07c5 | probably one of the most important things to do, since without it bzwb is pretty useless at editing heh |
| 17:18.51 | kierra | hmmm, ok i guess |
| 17:18.52 | joevano | ~Will07c5++ |
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| 19:29.18 | Will07c5 | now I feel a bit stupid, it seems selection works fine in bzwb once you realize you need to double click to select |
| 19:31.28 | trepan | ya, wasn't overly impressed when i discovered that that is the selection mechanism ;) |
| 19:31.50 | Will07c5 | I think I'll change it to single click since that is a little more intuitive |
| 19:33.28 | me1 | trepan, are you a forum admin? |
| 19:34.16 | trepan | yup |
| 19:34.43 | trepan | one sec ... |
| 19:36.45 | me1 | thanks :) |
| 19:59.02 | Erroneous | Will07c5: please do :) the current user/map interaction in bzwb is broken, as far as I'm concerned...it's both counterintuitive and difficult to use. |
| 20:00.45 | trepan | s/bzwb/blender/ ? :) |
| 20:01.53 | cygal_ | blender may be counterintuitive, but is not difficult to use |
| 20:03.53 | JefferyM | our players have never been able to "get" blender editing |
| 20:04.27 | JefferyM | single click for select and drag select are what people will expect, it's what we did in bzedit as well. |
| 20:05.40 | CBG | Nice generalisation, JefferyM. :P |
| 20:05.54 | JefferyM | ok, many of, not just all |
| 20:05.58 | JefferyM | some do get it |
| 20:06.17 | JefferyM | most do not seem to, based on the number of quesions that are asked about it, and it's use |
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| 20:06.36 | JefferyM | not to say that all of those mapers will ever make great maps :) |
| 20:06.57 | JefferyM | is boggled by the group of people that still use bzedit |
| 20:07.35 | trepan | most maps are still box/pyr |
| 20:07.40 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:08.11 | JefferyM | I'm not sure if that's because people don't get the tools for more complex maps, or if there is just more inherent "fun" in the box/pyramid maps |
| 20:08.47 | trepan | i'm guessing that it's more the former |
| 20:08.58 | JefferyM | that's my gut feeling as well |
| 20:09.41 | trepan | and that those who do get meshes make more varied map styles (as opposped to just having a good looking plain map) |
| 20:11.17 | JefferyM | well hopefully bzwb can make it easier to manipulate meshes on a map more like regular objects |
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| 20:11.39 | JefferyM | we'll see |
| 20:11.41 | trepan | it won't help that much, imo |
| 20:11.45 | JefferyM | perhaps |
| 20:12.04 | JefferyM | but at least then it own't be a tools problem |
| 20:12.12 | JefferyM | and we'll know for sure :) |
| 20:12.26 | joevano | it wil at least help with positioning them.. i think that kinda throws people off |
| 20:12.37 | joevano | and scares them a bit |
| 20:12.50 | JefferyM | also having a good interface for zones, and physics will be nice |
| 20:12.58 | trepan | JefferyM: still don't think that either, you're assuming that a bzwb style manipulator is the missing piece |
| 20:13.13 | JefferyM | I'm not assuming it is, I am saying it 'may" be |
| 20:13.16 | JefferyM | and I don't kow |
| 20:13.50 | trepan | "but at least then it own't be a tools problem" -- didn't quite get that then ;) |
| 20:13.50 | JefferyM | if we add that part, and there are still problems, then we know it's not that part that was the problem |
| 20:13.50 | joevano | it's not something that can be easily measured |
| 20:13.50 | JefferyM | ok |
| 20:14.17 | JefferyM | it's highly likely that it's just a meat based problem |
| 20:14.29 | JefferyM | but a bzwb tool will not hurt it |
| 20:14.29 | trepan | soft grey? |
| 20:14.33 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:14.59 | JefferyM | some people just arn't going to get it |
| 20:15.15 | JefferyM | but it's possible bzwb may let a few more people get it |
| 20:15.39 | trepan | i'm guessing that moving things about is not the 'hard' part |
| 20:15.41 | JefferyM | specialy if a "prefab" community evolves that can make mesh objects to be used like boxes. |
| 20:15.49 | JefferyM | no, it's the modeling for sure |
| 20:16.01 | trepan | creating meshes is (texmapped, proper normals, good topo, etc...) |
| 20:16.09 | trepan | lags today |
| 20:16.09 | JefferyM | but a tool to move em around will let more people comfortably use existing messhes I think |
| 20:16.19 | JefferyM | but we'll see |
| 20:18.12 | JefferyM | tires to remember what he was doing |
| 20:19.51 | temp_work | suspects singing and dancing |
| 20:20.02 | JefferyM | has more sympathy for trepan's hand woes now that his own wrists are getting sore |
| 20:20.45 | trepan | age sucks :) |
| 20:20.50 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 20:22.00 | JefferyM | I got a brace for my left hand and it seems to be helping a bit |
| 20:22.49 | trepan | sore primarily from keyboard, mouse, painting? |
| 20:23.11 | JefferyM | I think it got sore from playing long streches with the xbox controller |
| 20:23.20 | trepan | heh, missed that one |
| 20:23.29 | JefferyM | now it gets store when typing |
| 20:23.57 | JefferyM | I may also be sleeping on it oddly as I keep finding creases in my skin when I wake up |
| 20:24.00 | cygal_ | typematrix(+dvorak) can help too |
| 20:24.21 | trepan | uses that setup |
| 20:24.37 | cygal_ | :) |
| 20:24.38 | trepan | (with a highly modified keyboard layout) |
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| 20:37.40 | Supertanker | I don't know if I should sob at seeing my posts from four years ago, or be thankful that I've learned from it. |
| 20:37.55 | Supertanker | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3243 |
| 20:38.35 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 20:40.05 | Supertanker | JefferyM, your mind has probably repressed my username from your mind. I hear that happens in response to unbearable psychological trauma. |
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| 20:40.34 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 20:41.35 | Supertanker | Oh, thank goodness. You don't remember me. |
| 20:43.21 | JefferyM | if you say so |
| 20:43.45 | Supertanker | Good. |
| 20:44.53 | JefferyM | Will07c5, is fltk linked in staticly? |
| 20:45.15 | Will07c5 | yeah |
| 20:46.56 | JefferyM | bahh, osg package didn't come with debug :( |
| 20:48.02 | Will07c5 | the one I downloaded did |
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| 20:50.06 | MindstormsKid | Supertanker :O |
| 20:50.20 | Supertanker | MindstormsKid: Hi. |
| 20:50.36 | Supertanker | Keep your tie fighters in their bay, please. |
| 20:50.49 | Supertanker | I just finished patching the holes in my roof and connecting my network back together. |
| 20:52.01 | MindstormsKid | Supertanker: Lol those posts are funny... |
| 20:52.53 | Supertanker | I especially find it funny that I went from "lol dudz i r using Windows 89SE and dunno what Linuxz iz" to using Debian and CentOS exclusively on my home network. |
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| 20:53.29 | MindstormsKid | Supertanker: You got your name from bz? I should have guessed :P |
| 20:54.13 | MindstormsKid | wishes people had continued with WZFlag :P |
| 20:54.14 | Supertanker | Yep. I never told you the story, did I? |
| 20:54.43 | Supertanker | If you've seen my email, you might guess that the 13 came from the fact that I was 13 when I first started terrorizing the forums. |
| 20:56.08 | MindstormsKid | Do you make maps? |
| 20:56.34 | Supertanker | I used to[BI used to. |
| 20:56.44 | Supertanker | Trust me. You do not want to see them. |
| 20:56.51 | MindstormsKid | :DD |
| 20:56.53 | Supertanker | Owch, SSH lag is getting to me again |
| 20:57.25 | Supertanker | I had dialup back then, I have dialup now. That's about the only thing that hasn't changed. |
| 20:57.36 | MindstormsKid | Dialup? O_O |
| 20:57.55 | MindstormsKid | You can play bzflag/online warzone with dialup?? |
| 20:58.10 | Supertanker | Warzone, certainly. |
| 20:58.12 | Supertanker | I don't recall what BZFlag was like. |
| 20:58.17 | Supertanker | Probably repression, again. |
| 20:59.32 | MindstormsKid | doesn't play much of either because of his worn out/hot/whatever laptop |
| 20:59.50 | Supertanker | I havent' played since I had that nVidia 256 |
| 20:59.56 | Supertanker | I wonder how my 8800GTS will handle BZFlag. |
| 20:59.58 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20029 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:59.58 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * updated visual studio project |
| 20:59.58 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * single click to select works |
| 21:00.27 | Think_Differentl | Supertanker, probably fine, considering my mobile FX5200 handles it pretty well. |
| 21:00.47 | Supertanker | I have to fetch the latest version first. |
| 21:00.55 | Supertanker | Which means leaving it downloading while I go to town. |
| 21:01.10 | MindstormsKid | O_O XD |
| 21:01.18 | Supertanker | College English proficiency exam. Oh no. I am shaking in my bright yellow shirt. |
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| 21:01.32 | Supertanker | No time to hop over to the computer labs, sadly. |
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| 21:01.55 | Supertanker | I wish I could convince the administrator to put Linux on at least *one* of the computer clusters at this campus, but that won't happen. |
| 21:01.56 | JefferyM | damnit Will07c5 I was just in the process of commiting that :) |
| 21:01.57 | Think_Differentl | Supertanker, you could just grab a debian package |
| 21:02.02 | Supertanker | College politics are irritating. |
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| 21:02.12 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: sorry :P |
| 21:02.17 | JefferyM | I'll live |
| 21:02.26 | Supertanker | Think_Differentl, and be five minor versions behind? I'll grab the SVN trunk. |
| 21:02.33 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20030 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: make release build... build. |
| 21:02.40 | MindstormsKid | Supertanker: Just think, back in the day, all colleges that had computers ran Unix :P |
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| 21:05.11 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: I think I'm going to make it so that when you don't click on any object they will all be unselected, just to make the behavior more familiar to users |
| 21:05.22 | Supertanker | MindstormsKid, it's disappointing. They have computers with Linux on them down at the main campus, but none up here. I have to SSH to them for my online Linux cuourse. |
| 21:05.25 | JefferyM | yeah that makes perfect sense |
| 21:05.27 | JefferyM | background deselct |
| 21:05.30 | Supertanker | Prereq classes get on my nerves. |
| 21:05.37 | Supertanker | I have to learn how to use a *word processor* |
| 21:05.44 | Will07c5 | it should thankfully be a one line change |
| 21:06.02 | JefferyM | cool |
| 21:06.11 | JefferyM | I belive that's what bzedit did too |
| 21:06.24 | JefferyM | later i'd be cool to "save" selections in a menu somewhere |
| 21:07.04 | Supertanker | Oh, are we finally getting a full BZFlag mapping utility for the 2.x format? |
| 21:07.08 | Think_Differentl | As dumb as a class that teaches you how to use a word processor sounds, it actually isn't too bad. I certainly learned some things. |
| 21:07.17 | JefferyM | Supertanker, it has been in the works for 2 years |
| 21:07.40 | Supertanker | True, true. The beginning Linux class should at least refresh some of the things I've forgotten, if not teach me some more solid understanding of the basics. |
| 21:08.12 | Supertanker | Owch. I've been out of the loop. |
| 21:08.18 | *** part/#bzflag Pryon (n=Pryon@animalcules.com) |
| 21:08.57 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20031 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/windows/eventHandlers/selectHandler.cpp: clicking the background deselects |
| 21:09.12 | _WarPig_ | Saw this message today: "Kicking Player {playername} Endshot credit: {n}" What does it mean? |
| 21:09.22 | JefferyM | or has it been 3 years? |
| 21:09.32 | JefferyM | _WarPig_, they sent more enshots then they sent shots |
| 21:09.39 | JefferyM | endshots even :) |
| 21:10.25 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (n=jolie@unaffiliated/kierra) |
| 21:10.39 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: do you know what the purpose of "Paste Saved Selection" in the menu is? (it doesn't do anything currently) |
| 21:10.50 | me1 | I think bzwb was started at bz's first gsoc, then no one took it hte second year? |
| 21:10.53 | JefferyM | dunno |
| 21:11.04 | JefferyM | sounds like it could be saved selections |
| 21:11.09 | JefferyM | but I'd not "paste" them |
| 21:11.17 | Will07c5 | there is a "Save Selection" menu item too |
| 21:11.18 | JefferyM | I'd make a selection list where you could save load and merge them |
| 21:11.23 | JefferyM | that's probalby what it is |
| 21:11.35 | JefferyM | if they dont' do anyting pull em and we can make a selection dialog later |
| 21:11.43 | Will07c5 | ok |
| 21:12.20 | _WarPig_ | JefferyM: Does that indicate a cheat, or could it be caused by other factors; lag, etc? |
| 21:12.32 | JefferyM | it can be caused by packetloss |
| 21:12.33 | Will07c5 | I'll do that and I think I'll just implement "Select All" and "Unselect All" now since they should be easy |
| 21:12.45 | JefferyM | but it can also be from cheating |
| 21:12.55 | JefferyM | Will07c5, sounds good |
| 21:13.33 | JefferyM | is almost set up to build |
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| 21:16.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | can someone please inform me about whats going on with bambino? saw it on ____ crunch (thanks ahs3) and wanted to know where |
| 21:24.25 | me1 | mrapplecomputer1, ? |
| 21:24.42 | JefferyM | Will07c5, are you using OSG 2.8.0 or 2.8.1 ? |
| 21:24.43 | joevano | mrapplecomputer1: why would we know? |
| 21:25.46 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: on this computer 2.8.1 but it shouldn't matter AFAIK |
| 21:25.56 | joevano | mrapplecomputer1: and what are you talking about.. not sure I want to know |
| 21:25.57 | JefferyM | it does for the post build step |
| 21:26.04 | JefferyM | the plugins dir is versioned |
| 21:26.08 | JefferyM | I'll commit a fix in a bit |
| 21:26.52 | Will07c5 | alright |
| 21:27.15 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20032 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: use osg 2.8.1 as it is current stable |
| 21:27.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | bambino was caught cheating bye ahs3 twice |
| 21:27.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | and is now on masterban |
| 21:27.55 | MindstormsKid | ... O_o |
| 21:28.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | and is now on capn too |
| 21:28.11 | JefferyM | wow, those axis markers are HUGE |
| 21:28.25 | Will07c5 | I know but they scale |
| 21:28.31 | joevano | mrapplecomputer1: he isn't masterbanned i do not believe |
| 21:28.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | ahs3 added him i think |
| 21:28.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | marines told me so |
| 21:28.50 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, please discuss your cheating acusations with the server owners |
| 21:28.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | and on capn tooooooo |
| 21:28.51 | JefferyM | not here |
| 21:28.59 | joevano | ahs3 doesnt have access to the masterban list |
| 21:28.59 | JefferyM | they don't have masterban ability |
| 21:29.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: i wanted to see if anyone knew anything about this |
| 21:29.23 | joevano | maybe banned from their entire server, but not all of bzflag |
| 21:29.24 | JefferyM | you are somewhat misinformed, and rather then you make a fool out of yourself with random acusaions, I sugest you talk to the server owner |
| 21:29.30 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, we are not your mom |
| 21:29.48 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok then.... thanks for the help? ill talk to ahs |
| 21:29.48 | JefferyM | always start with server owners |
| 21:29.55 | joevano | probably old enough to be.. but still not ;) |
| 21:30.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok bye all |
| 21:30.55 | JefferyM | yes it does somewhat bother me that some of the players could be my bastard children :) |
| 21:30.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | *sigh* |
| 21:31.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol ok bye |
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| 21:32.06 | linuxguy101 | is it true that bzflag will be combined with Cromium in a future release? or is that just a rumor?? |
| 21:32.19 | linuxguy101 | lol |
| 21:32.32 | MindstormsKid | .. |
| 21:33.07 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 21:33.12 | JefferyM | what is cromium? |
| 21:33.22 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20033 10/trunk/bzworkbench/plugins/Win32CommonControls/ (4 files): update to vc9 |
| 21:33.54 | MindstormsKid | JefferyM: I think it is the ...rendering engine for google chrome? Or maybe just the full name? Can't remember.. |
| 21:34.33 | JefferyM | what would that have to do with bzflag? |
| 21:34.34 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20034 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/dialogs/MenuBar.cpp: added unselect/select all |
| 21:35.13 | Supertanker | I iddn't know the Warzone community was so tightly integrated with BZFlag |
| 21:35.22 | Will07c5 | MindstormsKid: chrome uses webkit, chromium is the open source version of chrome |
| 21:35.39 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20035 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.sln: build the win32commoncontrols plug-in when building windows bzworkbench |
| 21:35.56 | MindstormsKid | Will07c5: Wait... WebKit isn't open source? |
| 21:36.07 | Will07c5 | it is open source but chrome isn't |
| 21:36.31 | MindstormsKid | It isn't? O_o |
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| 21:36.42 | JefferyM | nope |
| 21:36.48 | JefferyM | it has closed source parts |
| 21:37.07 | trepan | http://chromium-bsu.sourceforge.net/ -- that was my guess |
| 21:37.13 | JefferyM | just like the kernel OSX uses is based on darwin, but the kernel apple shipps is not |
| 21:41.14 | JefferyM | Will07c5, looks good so far, it didn't want to load images for textures for some reason but I may not have had my working dirs set correctly |
| 21:44.32 | Will07c5 | it loads them for me so you probably have to set the working directory |
| 21:44.38 | Will07c5 | I remember having to do that |
| 21:48.48 | Will07c5 | hmm... the only thing I can think of left for selection is fixing the crash that occurs if you select something after ungrouping objects |
| 21:49.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20036 10/trunk/bzflag/ (14 files in 6 dirs): |
| 21:49.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * finished relative physics drivers |
| 21:49.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: (BZDB controlled parameters are also relative) |
| 21:49.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * added warnings for unset control variables |
| 21:49.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: (when use by text, texmats, dyncols, or physics) |
| 21:49.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * bypassed doMomentum() in LocalPlayer.cxx when on a physics driver |
| 21:49.13 | trepan | and the short list get shorter ;) |
| 21:49.14 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: (it messed with 'angular' drivers, cumulative angVel problem) |
| 21:50.19 | MindstormsKid | Relative physics drivers? :DD |
| 21:50.40 | JefferyM | relitive to the tank that hits them? |
| 21:50.48 | JefferyM | so you can make it move "forward"? |
| 21:50.51 | trepan | relative to their group definition |
| 21:50.55 | JefferyM | ahh ok |
| 21:51.13 | JefferyM | yeah that'd be a pain to use otherwise :) |
| 21:51.13 | MindstormsKid | :( |
| 21:51.28 | JefferyM | that'll be good for prefab use too |
| 21:51.30 | trepan | man page desc: "relative # make relative to group transformations" |
| 21:51.36 | JefferyM | coo |
| 21:52.10 | trepan | ya, that was the last missing piece for grouped manipulation |
| 21:52.26 | trepan | zone, weapons, links, texts ... all done |
| 21:54.20 | Will07c5 | heh it looks like I'm going to finish everything on my original list of things to do by the midterm |
| 21:54.47 | Will07c5 | since I'll have time should I work on added 3.0 features to bzwb? |
| 21:54.48 | JefferyM | cool |
| 21:54.56 | JefferyM | maybe |
| 21:55.07 | JefferyM | it may be better to think about some new usability features |
| 21:55.07 | Will07c5 | I know I want to do some optimization first though |
| 21:55.11 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 21:55.37 | JefferyM | we can all play with it for a bit, build some maps and come up with things tht will make it a better workflow |
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| 21:55.58 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20037 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldInfo.cxx: * also warn about variable permissions (not really an issue?) |
| 21:56.00 | Will07c5 | yeah I do want to get it more stable before adding a lot of new features though |
| 21:56.11 | JefferyM | sounds like a plan |
| 21:56.26 | Will07c5 | it still doesn't like meshes with drawinfo |
| 21:56.39 | JefferyM | heh, nether do our mapers ;) |
| 21:57.15 | Will07c5 | it does seem a bit confusing |
| 21:57.36 | JefferyM | it's a very low level version of the LOD structure |
| 21:57.59 | JefferyM | it'd be fine if we had the tools to generate the LODs etc.. |
| 21:58.04 | JefferyM | and there are some |
| 21:58.12 | JefferyM | modeltool can make them, and some others have some scripts |
| 21:58.19 | Will07c5 | probably should eventually be integrated into bzwb |
| 21:58.22 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 21:58.32 | trepan | modeltool combines, but doesn't decimate |
| 21:58.43 | JefferyM | tho if we can automaticly generate decent LODs in bzwb we should just do it in the game |
| 21:58.51 | trepan | meshlab (vtk?) could be added in to do decimation |
| 21:58.52 | JefferyM | yeah model tool dosn't decemate |
| 21:59.07 | JefferyM | I'd rather do it on the server as a preload |
| 21:59.19 | JefferyM | unless you think it needs to be hand tweaked? |
| 21:59.26 | trepan | ah, meshlab uses vcg, the other one ;-) |
| 21:59.43 | trepan | i'd prefer hand tweaked myself |
| 21:59.48 | trepan | certainly wouldn't remove the option |
| 21:59.55 | JefferyM | true |
| 22:00.15 | JefferyM | having the option to build them automaticly in bzwb is not a bad thing |
| 22:00.44 | JefferyM | if the automatic decimation is good enough we can just have bzfs do it if they don't exist in the map |
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| 22:05.39 | trepan | for the new user-defined server-side BZDB control vars, i'd like to standardize on '$' as the prefix |
| 22:05.51 | trepan | (and no, i don't like php :) |
| 22:06.05 | JefferyM | it makes sense, and we haven't used it |
| 22:06.10 | quantumdot | JefferyM: we have made a decision regarding our fourms: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=14314 |
| 22:06.12 | JefferyM | and the other options suck |
| 22:06.23 | JefferyM | quantumdot, I saw, you ready for it? |
| 22:06.30 | quantumdot | whenever you have a min |
| 22:06.33 | JefferyM | k |
| 22:06.39 | JefferyM | I'll have to write a new rules post then |
| 22:06.39 | quantumdot | thanks so much |
| 22:08.16 | JefferyM | hopes he knows how to do it right :) |
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| 22:09.38 | quantumdot | JefferyM: cant you use some of the FAQs written for the ducati subforum? |
| 22:09.49 | JefferyM | no, but you can :) |
| 22:10.01 | JefferyM | I'm just going to make a post like I did for private |
| 22:10.04 | quantumdot | the use of the forum should not be different from ducati's |
| 22:10.05 | JefferyM | and remove the old private one |
| 22:10.17 | quantumdot | more work |
| 22:10.18 | JefferyM | let me go see what they say |
| 22:10.28 | quantumdot | I am afraid of taking your time |
| 22:10.54 | JefferyM | naw |
| 22:10.59 | JefferyM | what thread are you talking about |
| 22:11.01 | JefferyM | I can't see it |
| 22:12.20 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20038 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:12.20 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * added '$' prefixed server-side variables to the word completer |
| 22:12.20 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: (for user-defined server-side variables) |
| 22:12.20 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * removed the variable permission check (it was less than useless) |
| 22:13.16 | quantumdot | indeed JefferyM, there is no such a post like ": GU League Players Forum Rules" for ducati |
| 22:13.32 | JefferyM | yeah, they never needed it :) |
| 22:13.52 | JefferyM | they will probalby be loosing the fourm soon too anyway |
| 22:14.57 | JefferyM | untill you guys came along we didn't have to have rules posts in every section ether ;) |
| 22:15.15 | JefferyM | but we grow, we learn :) |
| 22:15.52 | JefferyM | ok, you are set |
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| 22:19.33 | linuxguy101 | hey, does anyone know why some zones are crashing bzflag? |
| 22:19.44 | JefferyM | cus of bugs |
| 22:19.49 | linuxguy101 | ah ok.. |
| 22:19.59 | linuxguy101 | what is the latest ver of bzflag? |
| 22:20.12 | JefferyM | I wasn't saying that those bugs are fixed |
| 22:20.34 | JefferyM | 2.0.13 is what is in SVN for the branch that is compatable with the last release |
| 22:20.35 | Supertanker | Heh |
| 22:20.50 | Supertanker | I'm almost looking forward to going to town. The car has AC ;) |
| 22:21.17 | linuxguy101 | it seems that planet mofo has really been causing me problems here lately |
| 22:21.47 | JefferyM | so don't play there |
| 22:21.55 | JefferyM | or run in a debuger and see why it crashes |
| 22:22.07 | linuxguy101 | it crashes my server listings.. |
| 22:22.22 | linuxguy101 | once i go there i cant get on any other zones using the server listing.. |
| 22:22.23 | JefferyM | what video card do you have? |
| 22:22.30 | linuxguy101 | no clue.. |
| 22:22.39 | JefferyM | ok, then what you mean by "zone" is not what we mean by zone |
| 22:22.40 | linuxguy101 | it is built in.. |
| 22:22.43 | JefferyM | you mean server |
| 22:22.49 | linuxguy101 | right server sorry.. |
| 22:22.50 | JefferyM | so intel onboard? |
| 22:23.01 | linuxguy101 | amd onboard.. |
| 22:23.04 | linuxguy101 | i am on linux... |
| 22:23.23 | linuxguy101 | it is a compaq system |
| 22:23.31 | JefferyM | then that could be nvidia or ATI |
| 22:23.35 | JefferyM | what drivers do you have? |
| 22:23.45 | linuxguy101 | no idea |
| 22:23.58 | JefferyM | you probably should find out and make sure you have the current ones |
| 22:24.07 | quantumdot | thank you JefferyM, it is not GU fault as such that some players do not understand what this forum is for and what it is not. |
| 22:24.11 | linuxguy101 | linux doesnt use drivers |
| 22:24.32 | JefferyM | quantumdot, oh I know. It's not anyone specificly too, it's just an event that happend at the same time :) |
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| 22:24.50 | JefferyM | linuxguy101, then you really don't understand how linux works do you ;) |
| 22:24.55 | JefferyM | it does use drivers |
| 22:24.58 | JefferyM | for X |
| 22:25.05 | linuxguy101 | ah fill me in man.. |
| 22:25.15 | JefferyM | how can you call yourself linux guy then? |
| 22:25.15 | Supertanker | linuxguy101, er, what? |
| 22:25.16 | JefferyM | ;) |
| 22:25.26 | JefferyM | this isn't a place for general x11 and linux help |
| 22:25.42 | Supertanker | I suppose all these smexy alsa packages can be removed on my computer then... |
| 22:25.42 | Supertanker | Time to go |
| 22:25.42 | linuxguy101 | hey this bug is a new issue.. |
| 22:25.47 | JefferyM | but you should check your distro to see if they have newer packages for your specific chipset |
| 22:26.00 | linuxguy101 | i have been using bzflag for months with no problems untill lately |
| 22:26.02 | JefferyM | it's probalby an old issue that you just haven't seen before |
| 22:26.14 | JefferyM | due to some combination of things |
| 22:26.34 | JefferyM | have you undated anything on your machine recently, like the kernel? |
| 22:26.41 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, i will uninstall and upgrade it if mandriva has a new build on it |
| 22:26.54 | JefferyM | uninstall what? |
| 22:27.14 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, uninstall bzflag.. |
| 22:27.19 | quantumdot | lol |
| 22:27.20 | JefferyM | it's probably not bzflag's fault |
| 22:27.26 | JefferyM | don't jump to conclusions |
| 22:27.30 | JefferyM | there is not a new release |
| 22:27.36 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, you are probly right it could be something else.. |
| 22:27.49 | JefferyM | it is most likely video related |
| 22:28.03 | JefferyM | you need to find out what chipset you have, and what driver X is using |
| 22:28.14 | JefferyM | what compaq model is it? |
| 22:28.27 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, you know the command line that will give me all that info? |
| 22:28.31 | JefferyM | nope |
| 22:28.37 | JefferyM | I don't use linux personaly |
| 22:28.45 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, ok, i will dig it up |
| 22:28.51 | JefferyM | what compaq model is it? |
| 22:28.51 | quantumdot | glxinfo |
| 22:29.08 | JefferyM | bzflag will also give the GL driver info on startup |
| 22:29.20 | JefferyM | but that may not tell you what chipset you have |
| 22:29.22 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, i am running a presario sr1910nx |
| 22:29.39 | JefferyM | ouch, semperon 1.8 |
| 22:30.02 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, personally i hate the box but it works.. |
| 22:30.05 | JefferyM | ok so it's an vidia chipset |
| 22:30.08 | JefferyM | nvidia |
| 22:30.16 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, oh really? |
| 22:30.16 | JefferyM | you probalby are running the nv driver then |
| 22:30.21 | JefferyM | yeah 6150 |
| 22:30.25 | spldart | lspci for the chipset identifying win? |
| 22:30.32 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, any fix for it? |
| 22:30.39 | JefferyM | yeah use nvidia, not nv |
| 22:30.58 | JefferyM | assuming you are using nv |
| 22:31.07 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, ouch more config crap i need to go through again.. |
| 22:31.09 | JefferyM | when you start bzflag what does it say in the video driver section? |
| 22:31.19 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, let me look |
| 22:31.35 | TD-Linux | doesn't modeltool have a man page? |
| 22:31.36 | Think_Differentl | installing the closed nvidia drivers might work as jeff said |
| 22:31.47 | JefferyM | TD-Linux, not that I know of |
| 22:31.57 | TD-Linux | I recall seeing a man page or document somewhere |
| 22:32.13 | JefferyM | TD-Linux, well I never wrote one |
| 22:32.18 | JefferyM | it'll dump out it's own paramaters |
| 22:32.18 | trepan | TD-Linux: ./modeltool => help |
| 22:32.25 | JefferyM | and it may have a wiki page |
| 22:32.34 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, driver and device listing is blank.. |
| 22:32.40 | JefferyM | linuxguy101, nice |
| 22:32.53 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, is that good? |
| 22:32.56 | linuxguy101 | lol |
| 22:32.57 | JefferyM | noooooo |
| 22:33.09 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, ok.. hmm.. |
| 22:33.11 | JefferyM | does your distro have packages for non free software? |
| 22:33.25 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, yes i am running mandriva 2009.1 |
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| 22:33.43 | Think_Differentl | linuxguy101, are you running 64bit? |
| 22:33.44 | JefferyM | then see if they have the nvidia non free drivers and install them |
| 22:33.53 | JefferyM | Think_Differentl, it's a semperon, 32 only |
| 22:33.58 | linuxguy101 | Think_Differentl, no 32 i think.. |
| 22:34.14 | JefferyM | if your distro dosn't have em, then get em from nvidia's site |
| 22:34.16 | linuxguy101 | omg i have a semperon??? |
| 22:34.20 | JefferyM | yep |
| 22:34.26 | linuxguy101 | ewwwwwwwww no wonder this dam thing drags.. |
| 22:34.37 | JefferyM | sempy 3200+ |
| 22:34.55 | linuxguy101 | my other box is running an amd 2600 and it blows this compaq system away.. |
| 22:35.04 | JefferyM | higher bus speed |
| 22:35.05 | spldart | my sempron at work doesn't drag.... Just isn't as snappy as the new multi cores. |
| 22:35.06 | Think_Differentl | semprons aren't as bad as the machine i'm running :P |
| 22:35.20 | JefferyM | could also be your ram |
| 22:35.22 | Think_Differentl | netburst celerons are terrible |
| 22:35.34 | linuxguy101 | i am running 512 meg of ram.. |
| 22:35.42 | linuxguy101 | i am sure more memory will help allot |
| 22:35.51 | JefferyM | you've never changed it from the stock config? |
| 22:35.55 | Think_Differentl | yeah, RAM is cheap. |
| 22:35.58 | JefferyM | how much ram is allocated to video? |
| 22:36.02 | quantumdot | linuxguy101: can you run "glxinfo | grep render" in a console plz? |
| 22:36.14 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, this was a dumpster special.. no idea what has been done to it before |
| 22:36.26 | linuxguy101 | sure quantumdot |
| 22:36.40 | quantumdot | plug the output here also |
| 22:37.07 | linuxguy101 | glxinfo | grep render |
| 22:37.13 | linuxguy101 | hang on.. |
| 22:37.46 | quantumdot | you need a driver that supports direct rendering (as far as i know) |
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| 22:37.59 | JefferyM | need is not the term, want is ;) |
| 22:38.06 | JefferyM | bzflag runs in software if it has to |
| 22:38.08 | JefferyM | just slowly |
| 22:38.14 | linuxguy101 | direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6150 LE/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, |
| 22:38.18 | quantumdot | to be able to run a decent game, that is |
| 22:38.19 | linuxguy101 | that is what i get.. |
| 22:38.33 | quantumdot | that is your cvideo card |
| 22:38.37 | quantumdot | Geforce |
| 22:38.52 | JefferyM | it's not using mesa so it may be using a version of the nvidia driver |
| 22:39.02 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, ok, umm can it be fixed? |
| 22:39.14 | JefferyM | check for an updated driver |
| 22:39.33 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, that is whatever mandriva puts out.. |
| 22:39.37 | quantumdot | to be honest linuxguy101 I havent understood what your exact problem is |
| 22:39.41 | JefferyM | not noseisarly |
| 22:39.48 | quantumdot | glxinfo seems to be correct |
| 22:39.52 | JefferyM | he crashes on the list server somtimes |
| 22:39.59 | quantumdot | aha |
| 22:40.08 | JefferyM | it could also be courpted map cache |
| 22:40.12 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, basically some servers seem to crash the server list in bzflag.. |
| 22:40.41 | JefferyM | crapy video drivers are just such a common problems that's always the first place to start :) |
| 22:40.42 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i can fix the problems when i delete all data in the .bzf directory and load bzflag back up |
| 22:40.43 | quantumdot | never heard of such issue before |
| 22:40.59 | JefferyM | linuxguy101, ohhh you neglected to mention THAT |
| 22:41.15 | JefferyM | yeah bad cache |
| 22:41.20 | quantumdot | there is a cache |
| 22:41.22 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, to me it seems like a bad server problem.. |
| 22:41.29 | JefferyM | no it's a bad cache |
| 22:41.45 | linuxguy101 | planet mofo has been the major cause of the problems here lately.. |
| 22:41.46 | quantumdot | sounds like cache problem when backing up the list |
| 22:41.47 | JefferyM | if it was the server, you could not fix it ;) |
| 22:42.11 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, unfortunatly.. |
| 22:42.46 | linuxguy101 | has anyone else had problems with planetmofo? |
| 22:42.56 | linuxguy101 | or is this just a bug with my system.? |
| 22:43.15 | JefferyM | bad cache files come up every so often |
| 22:43.39 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, any fix for it? |
| 22:43.58 | JefferyM | usualy it happens when the app closes improperly |
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| 22:44.05 | JefferyM | it's not a single thing that is "wrong" |
| 22:44.47 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, it is only in that server that it happens now.. other times other servers have had simular problems |
| 22:44.59 | linuxguy101 | other than that the game playes fine.. |
| 22:45.12 | JefferyM | you can't say "only" then "other" |
| 22:45.33 | JefferyM | something on your machine is screwing up the chache for some servers |
| 22:45.48 | JefferyM | there isn't much more we can say that isn't random guessing |
| 22:45.51 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, hmm.. |
| 22:46.06 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, loadballencer i bet.. |
| 22:46.15 | JefferyM | whatever that is |
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| 22:46.40 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, i have traced some intermittent faults and lag to a program called irqloadballencer.. |
| 22:46.50 | JefferyM | ok |
| 22:47.30 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, i traced it back on anoter verstion of linux a while ago as an issue with this system and i bet it is still the same. |
| 22:47.43 | JefferyM | ok |
| 22:47.48 | JefferyM | you should go fix that then |
| 22:48.11 | quantumdot | linuxguy101: you mean a hardware issue? |
| 22:48.12 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, it is a pain in the rear.. i hallf to turn it off and reboot.. |
| 22:48.34 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, umm maybe more likely a hardware problem with the software. |
| 22:49.07 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i have run lots of diagnostics on this box for some odd problems but it has all turned out normal |
| 22:49.09 | JefferyM | if you got the computer out of the trash it was probably thrown away for a reason ;) |
| 22:49.27 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, i replaced that reason... |
| 22:49.56 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, they tossed it for a bad cable problem |
| 22:50.08 | JefferyM | you hope ;) |
| 22:50.37 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, i live in a town where they throw out computers all the time that work fine.. |
| 22:50.47 | JefferyM | be interesting if the same thing happened with it's copy of windows. |
| 22:51.00 | quantumdot | linuxguy101: you are runnung a SMP kernel? or have several CPUs? I know nothing about compaq models |
| 22:51.17 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, just one cpu.. |
| 22:51.22 | JefferyM | quantumdot, it has to be single core, the semperon CPU dosn't support anything else |
| 22:51.32 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i generaly hate compaq's .. |
| 22:51.33 | JefferyM | it's an asus nforce mobo |
| 22:51.58 | JefferyM | he could put a dual core athalon 64 in there, but that'd be about it |
| 22:52.07 | linuxguy101 | this box however will support up to 10 drives on it.. |
| 22:52.26 | linuxguy101 | that is the only thing that is interesting about it.. |
| 22:53.19 | quantumdot | even so, you may have linux running on a hyperthreding cpu, but it seems not even so |
| 22:53.36 | JefferyM | semperon dosn't do hyperthread |
| 22:53.39 | JefferyM | that's an intel thing |
| 22:53.54 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, this is a slow processor.. |
| 22:54.06 | quantumdot | my question was motivated because to my knowledge ircq balance is related to CPU balance of the load |
| 22:54.29 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, let me get you the link to the program page.. |
| 22:54.36 | quantumdot | ok JefferyM i know very little about processors details by brand |
| 22:54.53 | JefferyM | how can that system support 10 drives? it has one PATA and 2 SATA connectiors |
| 22:54.57 | JefferyM | that's 4 disks max |
| 22:55.10 | JefferyM | is there a raid card in it? |
| 22:56.07 | linuxguy101 | no.. |
| 22:56.24 | linuxguy101 | i really have no reason to have that program running from what i can tell |
| 22:56.31 | JefferyM | quantumdot, the sepmperon is the celleron of the AMD world, chache and bus limted single core. |
| 22:56.34 | linuxguy101 | let me get the program name pulled up |
| 22:56.42 | linuxguy101 | i may have miss quoted it. |
| 22:57.09 | JefferyM | smells fertilzer |
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| 22:59.24 | linuxguy101 | irqbalancer is the program and it is turned off.. |
| 22:59.25 | linuxguy101 | nice.. |
| 23:00.35 | linuxguy101 | JefferyM, irqbalance |
| 23:00.43 | linuxguy101 | that is the program name.. |
| 23:00.56 | JefferyM | again this isn't really the place for general linux help |
| 23:00.58 | quantumdot | chkconfig --level 2345 irqbalance off |
| 23:01.20 | quantumdot | my guess is that you dont need it for one single core box |
| 23:01.38 | linuxguy101 | auantumdot, here is there site http://www.irqbalance.org/ |
| 23:01.47 | linuxguy101 | i cant see running it.. |
| 23:02.17 | linuxguy101 | on a dual core, maybe.. |
| 23:02.26 | linuxguy101 | i can see that.. |
| 23:02.47 | linuxguy101 | but when it is running it drags the system down and sucks up cpu time |
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| 23:03.31 | quantumdot | linuxguy101: but, if it is not running and you still have bzflag crashing the problem must be somehwere else |
| 23:03.48 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i agree.. |
| 23:04.07 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i think it is with the server.. |
| 23:04.10 | quantumdot | "ps -ef | grep irq" says noting? |
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| 23:05.29 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, zen3 32041 29978 0 18:05 pts/7 00:00:00 grep --color irq |
| 23:05.34 | linuxguy101 | that is what i get now. |
| 23:05.48 | quantumdot | it is no running |
| 23:06.50 | quantumdot | after a crash you should maybe have a look at what is left on .bzf |
| 23:07.18 | quantumdot | .bzf/cache specially |
| 23:07.28 | linuxguy101 | ok, quantumdot |
| 23:10.07 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, what server do you usually play on? |
| 23:10.25 | quantumdot | guleague, missilewar and ducati's |
| 23:10.33 | quantumdot | linuxguy101: i rarely visit others |
| 23:10.41 | quantumdot | sometimes mofo's |
| 23:11.46 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i play mainly on missle war.. |
| 23:12.03 | quantumdot | under what name? |
| 23:12.24 | linuxguy101 | right now under hahaha |
| 23:12.27 | linuxguy101 | lol |
| 23:12.33 | quantumdot | registered? |
| 23:12.42 | quantumdot | i think i have seen it |
| 23:13.02 | linuxguy101 | i am not registered yet |
| 23:13.37 | linuxguy101 | i hate registering anything.. |
| 23:14.20 | temp_dist | Registered Players Get More Love (TM) |
| 23:15.36 | linuxguy101 | ya you get to vote to ban.. |
| 23:15.59 | linuxguy101 | i remember bz flag when it was just line art.. |
| 23:16.07 | linuxguy101 | lol |
| 23:17.19 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, what nick do you go by on there? |
| 23:17.33 | quantumdot | same as here |
| 23:17.50 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, ah ok, i have seen you there a few times.. |
| 23:18.00 | quantumdot | i guess, i play too much |
| 23:18.01 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, you an admin?? |
| 23:18.05 | quantumdot | yes |
| 23:18.14 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, ah cool.. |
| 23:18.16 | quantumdot | for the servers I mentioned, that is |
| 23:18.40 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, where are there servers located at?? usa?? |
| 23:19.20 | quantumdot | gu and ducati both have servers in EU, Canada and USA, missile is in USA |
| 23:19.46 | linuxguy101 | ah wow, cool i was wondering about that.. |
| 23:20.06 | quantumdot | nslookup them and it will tell all :) |
| 23:20.07 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, the ping time is very good with them.. |
| 23:20.37 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i had a major latency issue for a few days it turned out it was my isp.. |
| 23:20.52 | quantumdot | it is always the case |
| 23:21.35 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, i was down for 2 weeks here and finally i got the guys to replace the card at the switch.. |
| 23:21.47 | linuxguy101 | quantumdot, it fixed the problem 100%.. |
| 23:22.00 | linuxguy101 | the synk was dropping out. |
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| 23:34.13 | blast007 | Supertanker: (still reading the backlog, so this might have already been mentioned) the SVN trunk version is not compatabile with 2.0.x, so you won't really have anybody to play with |
| 23:35.55 | blast007 | if you have 2.0.10 or 2.0.12 in your package manager, that would pretty much be the latest version that is compatible |
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