| 00:06.24 | Yassen | What would I have to do to the Makefile.am / Makefile.in to have a plugin with multiple source files build on linux? |
| 00:07.49 | cygal | see plugins/bzfscron |
| 00:08.01 | cygal | it uses two .cpp files |
| 00:11.47 | cygal | (three) |
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| 01:29.00 | Wr3ckage | quick question |
| 01:29.36 | Wr3ckage | any way to copy flag positions etc. from a server to use on private one? |
| 02:01.28 | Supertanker | Two and a half minutes. |
| 02:02.12 | Supertanker | Aren't flag positions generated randomy, out of curiosity? |
| 02:02.25 | Supertanker | Been awhile since I've diddled with anything BZFlag related. |
| 02:02.48 | trepan | zones can constrain flag locations |
| 02:02.54 | trepan | and plugins can set them as well |
| 02:02.59 | Supertanker | Ah, okay. |
| 02:03.10 | JeffM | its all not part of the map that's sent |
| 02:03.30 | Supertanker | Flags are generated server-side, then? |
| 02:03.35 | JeffM | yes |
| 02:03.41 | JeffM | they may get input data from the map file |
| 02:03.53 | Supertanker | Heh, I just realized how stupid client-side flags would be when I thought about that |
| 02:03.54 | JeffM | but what the client can save of the map is not always exactly what was in the map file |
| 02:04.16 | JeffM | 2.0.x actualy does some of the flag logic on the client, like pickups |
| 02:05.02 | Supertanker | Makes sense |
| 02:05.15 | trepan | the flag options still aren't saved accurately, iirc |
| 02:05.27 | trepan | best to get the original file ;) |
| 02:05.33 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:07.02 | Supertanker | I remember the lovely days of the 1.x mapping format. |
| 02:07.13 | Supertanker | Then came 2.x, and I thought it was too hard and I quit mapping. |
| 02:07.19 | Supertanker | Typical... |
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| 04:40.21 | blast007 | and actually there is a client-side flag. The antidote one is generated by the client. ;) |
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| 05:16.01 | Supertanker | Single core Pentium 4's don't make very good webservers |
| 05:16.22 | Supertanker | Above 20 requests simultaniously, the response time starts escelating into the >3000ms range |
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| 05:16.44 | blast007 | Supertanker: apache? |
| 05:16.49 | Supertanker | Although it was fun leainrng that I could outsource the MySQL server to my 800mhz box, which is barely running at 20% CPU laod right now even though the main server is getting flooded with 50 requests/second |
| 05:16.55 | Supertanker | is bored and has too much hardware |
| 05:16.57 | Supertanker | Ugh, yes, Apache |
| 05:17.04 | Supertanker | I am going to install Lighhtpd when I get teh chance. |
| 05:17.06 | blast007 | that's probably half the problem |
| 05:17.35 | blast007 | could also try the cherokee web server |
| 05:17.57 | Supertanker | Never tried it, how good is it? |
| 05:18.06 | Supertanker | I'm not familiar with it, and Im only half familiar with lighttpd |
| 05:18.09 | blast007 | not sure, never tried it either ;) |
| 05:18.39 | Supertanker | Heh |
| 05:18.41 | Supertanker | I might give it a shot and report later |
| 05:18.49 | Supertanker | Right now I'm happy watching apache go OMGLESSREQUESTSPLZ |
| 05:19.03 | blast007 | what speed is the P4? |
| 05:19.07 | Supertanker | On the bright side, remounting the heatsink has kept the CPU nice and cool. |
| 05:19.10 | Supertanker | 2.0GHZ |
| 05:19.15 | blast007 | ah, so an oldie |
| 05:19.16 | Supertanker | Single core. |
| 05:19.24 | Supertanker | It's running at a mere 53C under full load. |
| 05:19.29 | blast007 | my 2.53GHz celeron does okay |
| 05:19.40 | Supertanker | I say "mere" in relation to what it used to run at--75C. |
| 05:19.41 | blast007 | probably a newer core than what you have |
| 05:19.45 | Supertanker | Probably. |
| 05:19.51 | Supertanker | It probably performs about the same. |
| 05:20.11 | Supertanker | It'd be nice if I had the components to build a computer using an old Socket 939 CPU I have--AMD 3700+ single core. But I think it'd be a waste of money. |
| 05:20.21 | blast007 | the 2.53GHz P4's we have at work beat the crap out of the 2.4GHz ones |
| 05:20.52 | Supertanker | $50 for a motherboard, $50 for RAM, $80 for a hard drive and all the cables, possibly $50 for a video card... |
| 05:21.00 | Supertanker | does not have a steady income. |
| 05:21.41 | Supertanker | I'm sure that a newerish motherboard/CPU combo would be cheaper if I really wanted a server. |
| 05:21.47 | Supertanker | And at any rate, it'd be pointless. |
| 05:22.00 | Supertanker | It's not like anyone is going to be putting 15 requests/second on my dialup connection ;) |
| 05:22.20 | blast007 | eh... yeah.. :P |
| 05:22.33 | blast007 | some cheap hosting would be better |
| 05:23.12 | Supertanker | It' sjust for playing around with and continuing that lifelong process of familiarizing myself intimently with Linux |
| 05:23.21 | Supertanker | Intimately, even. |
| 05:23.37 | Supertanker | On a related note, C = awesomeness, even if it's terribly confusing |
| 05:24.24 | blast007 | C# is fun as well, as long as you don't run while holding it |
| 05:25.08 | Supertanker | Hahaha |
| 05:25.12 | Supertanker | Doesn't it require Windows to run, though? |
| 05:25.20 | blast007 | nope |
| 05:25.22 | Supertanker | I admit, I'm a bit of a Linux purist now. |
| 05:25.28 | Supertanker | I only use Windows XP for Portal/Half Life |
| 05:25.29 | Supertanker | Really? |
| 05:25.30 | blast007 | you can run it through mono |
| 05:25.47 | blast007 | I can compile a C# app on windows, copy the .exe to a mac or linux system, and run it there |
| 05:26.28 | Supertanker | Ah |
| 05:26.34 | Supertanker | I don't have an easilly accessable windows install |
| 05:26.46 | Supertanker | I have to manually type GRUB nonsense in because I'm too lazy to set Grub up like it should be. |
| 05:26.49 | blast007 | well, you can compile it on linux or mac too |
| 05:26.54 | blast007 | I was just giving an example ;) |
| 05:27.36 | Supertanker | I think I should focus on one language at first :P |
| 05:29.42 | Supertanker | My main problem with learning a language is that I can't seem to come up with those various small programs I should be coding for fun and practice |
| 05:35.37 | Supertanker | blast007, what kind of programs did you write when you were starting to code? |
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| 08:02.07 | eldife | hi, anyone there..? |
| 08:05.50 | joevano | yep |
| 08:05.53 | joevano | hi |
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| 08:10.16 | el_dife | rehi |
| 08:20.38 | Supertanker | Hello. |
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| 10:07.14 | Wyk3d | brlcad: ping |
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| 11:34.08 | cygal | http://www.amazon.com/reader/1558607323?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_dp_pt#reader-link |
| 11:34.12 | cygal | hm. |
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| 13:41.06 | blast007 | Supertanker: can't remember what "program" I would have written. Though I started with the Logo programming language in Lego Logo (you wrote code to control things made of legos that had motors and sensors) |
| 14:15.40 | Constitution | what is a box swept sphere? |
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| 14:56.26 | BulletCatcher | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounding_volume describes a swept sphere about 1/2 way down, but does not combine that with "box" |
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| 16:43.46 | randomparticle | 15-40 |
| 16:44.43 | temp_dist | 25! |
| 16:45.20 | randomparticle | why isn't it 45? |
| 16:46.11 | randomparticle | is looking like a case of "who dies first" |
| 16:54.43 | randomparticle | 10 games all, final set :) |
| 16:54.55 | randomparticle | ops. wrong channel |
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| 17:30.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | hey naveed you there? |
| 17:32.42 | blast007 | sees nobody by that name |
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| 17:36.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | I don't know his username. that's his real name. I have some business with him |
| 17:36.42 | blast007 | do you know his forum username? |
| 17:37.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | no. |
| 17:37.55 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:38.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | all I know is that his website is explosivestudios.com |
| 17:39.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | does anyone know him? |
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| 17:42.11 | mrapplecomputer1 | tell him to pm me on forums if u fond him. thx |
| 17:42.44 | blast007 | meh |
| 17:43.02 | blast007 | can't wait more than 5 minutes |
| 17:43.05 | blast007 | I just found them |
| 17:49.54 | JefferyM | we are not his secretary |
| 17:50.54 | blast007 | wasn't hard. a google for "bzflag explosivestudios.com" took me right to a post on the forum |
| 17:53.26 | Marzipan | well, beeing nice and beeing a secretary is a difference at all ^^ |
| 17:53.53 | JefferyM | if this was the only time he'd asked for something like that, I'd say yes |
| 17:53.57 | JefferyM | but this is a common thing for him |
| 17:54.13 | JefferyM | he often says "tell XXXX about YYYY for me" |
| 17:54.32 | Marzipan | ah i see, well, that's just making himself more important then he actually is ... |
| 17:54.41 | JefferyM | and that is what he loves to do |
| 17:55.20 | Marzipan | ^^ well, but there are many different characters in the game, and nobody is perfect |
| 17:55.25 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 17:55.35 | JefferyM | I'm just not sure if we should be searhing for players for people |
| 17:55.41 | JefferyM | the board has a find member page |
| 17:56.06 | JefferyM | there is a point where we have to keep some data private |
| 17:56.21 | JefferyM | like we never give out user email addresses, ever |
| 17:56.34 | blast007 | wasn't like I did anything special to find them |
| 17:56.37 | blast007 | I used google |
| 17:56.40 | JefferyM | HAH |
| 17:56.43 | Marzipan | ^^ :) |
| 17:56.48 | JefferyM | what at tool |
| 17:57.29 | Marzipan | ever since the "screen minmize bug" is fixed i m totally happy with linux :D |
| 17:57.37 | Marzipan | wayy more stable then linux :D |
| 17:58.00 | blast007 | is that actually fixed? or did you just turn off compiz or your screensaver? |
| 17:58.01 | Marzipan | ehh windows ^^ |
| 17:58.02 | Marzipan | yeah i turned off the screensaver, and that was it |
| 17:58.03 | blast007 | so it's not fixed ;) |
| 17:58.12 | Marzipan | ^^ well, yes... it works ^^ |
| 17:58.17 | blast007 | on Windows, I can leave the screensaver on and still play games |
| 17:58.19 | blast007 | amazing |
| 17:58.20 | JefferyM | your computer dosn't know to not do the screensaver when you play a game? |
| 17:58.33 | blast007 | JefferyM: yeah, it's great |
| 17:58.35 | JefferyM | yeah that's not a very good input tracking system ;) |
| 17:58.58 | Marzipan | ;) well, i m new to ubuntu and linux in generall i m sure that there is a way to fix that ^^ |
| 17:59.00 | JefferyM | they have this thing they do these days called "multitasking" your OS should look into it ;) |
| 17:59.00 | blast007 | I was on my linux system the other day accessing my windows computer over the terminal services client, and it starts going to screensaver...while I'm typing |
| 17:59.30 | JefferyM | blast007: should not affect terminal services |
| 17:59.37 | JefferyM | it run in it's own user instance |
| 17:59.42 | blast007 | no, the linux system was going to screensaver |
| 17:59.43 | JefferyM | independent of the local shell |
| 17:59.45 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 17:59.47 | JefferyM | that sucks |
| 17:59.54 | blast007 | cuz it wasn't tracking the input I was sending to the terminal services client |
| 18:00.07 | JefferyM | it seems that apps can get exlusive access to input on X |
| 18:00.16 | JefferyM | wonder what you have to do to send them back to X |
| 18:00.23 | blast007 | install Windows |
| 18:00.26 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:00.56 | JefferyM | guess it's just a different pardigm, windows the OS gets all input and sends it to the app, x goes the other way? |
| 18:01.12 | JefferyM | or is the screensaver just not part of the window manager system? |
| 18:01.20 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 18:01.23 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03Benfish 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6521 10/w/BZtank: /* Current Maps */ |
| 18:01.24 | blast007 | it's gnome-screensaver |
| 18:01.31 | blast007 | runs as a process in the background |
| 18:01.41 | JefferyM | so it dosn't have good hooks into the input system |
| 18:01.53 | blast007 | maybe I should switch to KDE ;) |
| 18:02.20 | JefferyM | you'd think there would be a kernel module that could track the input state at a low level and feed it to any process independent of who has "grabbed" it |
| 18:04.09 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03Benfish 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6522 10/w/BZtank: /* Community */ |
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| 18:08.11 | Supertanker | blast007, A...lego programming language? That's rather awesome. |
| 18:08.26 | JefferyM | there are many lanaguages you can run on legos |
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| 19:55.52 | Marzipan | is there a way in linux to get back to desktop without closing the program ? |
| 19:56.05 | Marzipan | if so can somebody tell me how :) |
| 19:56.29 | Janis_ | marzipan is program running in fullscreen? |
| 19:56.47 | JefferyM | we have an iconify button |
| 19:56.49 | Marzipan | yes, but bzflag can be minimized... :) |
| 19:56.50 | JefferyM | IIRC |
| 19:56.56 | Janis_ | F1, F4 |
| 19:56.58 | Janis_ | try them |
| 19:57.05 | Marzipan | ahh, and on other programms ? |
| 19:57.19 | blast007 | depends on the program |
| 19:57.24 | Marzipan | okay, thanks :) |
| 19:57.35 | Janis_ | hmm if other games, usually keys are Alt+enter, if software it can be just minimized i guess |
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| 20:02.30 | Janis_ | in* |
| 20:08.41 | JefferyM | too bad the OS coudn't standardize on somethign like alt+tab ;) |
| 20:23.55 | Janis_ | jeff, it is working in the games which were made for the older oses |
| 20:24.26 | JefferyM | alt enter is a common fullscreen/window controll on windows games, so that makes sense |
| 20:24.42 | Janis_ | also on mac:) so i guess on linux as well |
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| 20:25.00 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:25.15 | JefferyM | not exactly the same as alt+tab as a generic app swap |
| 20:25.22 | Janis_ | alt + tab in older games work |
| 20:25.32 | JefferyM | but is it up to the OS or the game? |
| 20:26.00 | Janis_ | well |
| 20:26.02 | Janis_ | hard to tell |
| 20:26.18 | Janis_ | i think it's up to the os on what game was made and which abiities it had |
| 20:27.26 | Janis_ | for example on my 10.4.11 i can alt+tab when playing Oni (game) which was firstly made for mac os 9, and later ported to os x |
| 20:27.51 | JefferyM | does alt tab swap between non game applications? |
| 20:27.55 | Janis_ | yes |
| 20:28.07 | JefferyM | then that's probably up to the OS to handle that |
| 20:28.24 | Janis_ | bbl. |
| 20:30.29 | CBG | JefferyM: OS X has a +Tab feature which has all the same functionality as Windows' Alt+Tab, and more. No clue about *nix... |
| 20:30.40 | JefferyM | cool |
| 20:30.49 | JefferyM | the OS SHOULD have something like that :) |
| 20:34.50 | KTL | alt tab works in kde (linux desktop environment) |
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| 21:01.18 | Marzipan | thanks KTL |
| 21:07.31 | cygal | JefferyM: on linux, alt tab is up to the window manager |
| 21:07.37 | cygal | *and* the game |
| 21:09.10 | JefferyM | both? |
| 21:09.14 | JefferyM | that seems odd |
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| 21:11.56 | cygal | well, X is odd |
| 21:14.29 | cygal | there is one standard, ICCCM that most window managers follow, but it does not seem to ask something such as alt-tab |
| 21:15.50 | cygal | and another one, NETWM, is not supported by all wms, but it is what should be used for fullscreen |
| 21:16.01 | cygal | « _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN indicates that the window should fill the entire screen and have no window decorations. » |
| 21:16.44 | JefferyM | yeah sounds about right for linux desktops, a bunch of ways to do the same things but implmented differently ;) |
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| 21:19.07 | cygal | well, it was not really *designed*, but just evolved, and later standardized, so.. indeed :) |
| 21:19.37 | JefferyM | yeah that's it's problem imho, the evolution with out real management. sound has a similar issue |
| 21:21.03 | JefferyM | thankfully SDL and mono mask most of that kinda stuff these days |
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| 21:34.44 | Gaming4JC | hey all, I'm having a recent problem with BZFlag |
| 21:34.51 | Gaming4JC | I haven't changed any settings on my end |
| 21:35.06 | Gaming4JC | but servers are kicking me for blocked UDP port |
| 21:35.21 | Gaming4JC | my firewall is allowed as usual, so no problems there |
| 21:35.21 | JefferyM | something is blocking your UDP |
| 21:35.36 | JefferyM | could be router, or ISP |
| 21:35.36 | Gaming4JC | anyone have an idea what might be blocking it |
| 21:35.48 | JefferyM | bzflag will always try to send UDP |
| 21:35.54 | Gaming4JC | hmm, I hope it's not my ISP :s |
| 21:36.12 | JefferyM | what kind of connection do you have? |
| 21:36.12 | Gaming4JC | is there some way of checking if a port is open? |
| 21:36.26 | Gaming4JC | Dial-Up, 56k |
| 21:36.32 | JefferyM | ouch |
| 21:36.41 | Gaming4JC | Comodo Firewall, and Nod32 anti-virus |
| 21:36.43 | Gaming4JC | lol |
| 21:36.45 | Gaming4JC | yeah it is lame |
| 21:36.52 | JefferyM | it's probbly your ISP |
| 21:37.00 | Gaming4JC | but they don't offer cable or dsl here |
| 21:37.09 | Gaming4JC | and my ISP has never blocked me before |
| 21:37.11 | JefferyM | to save bandwith I could see them killing all non DNS UDP over dialup |
| 21:37.14 | JefferyM | dunno |
| 21:37.30 | JefferyM | try a difffernet call center maybe? |
| 21:37.50 | Gaming4JC | hmm |
| 21:38.01 | Gaming4JC | change the ports you mean? |
| 21:38.03 | JefferyM | but it's going to be soemthing ether on the OS or upstream in the network |
| 21:38.14 | JefferyM | call a different phone number :) |
| 21:38.25 | JefferyM | you can't pick the UDP port |
| 21:39.19 | Gaming4JC | oh |
| 21:39.27 | Gaming4JC | well |
| 21:39.37 | Gaming4JC | I re-dialed several times since two days ago |
| 21:39.47 | Gaming4JC | and it's been the same |
| 21:39.47 | Gaming4JC | blocked UDP |
| 21:39.53 | Gaming4JC | my only other thought is nod32's latest update |
| 21:39.58 | Gaming4JC | it filters all internet connections |
| 21:40.00 | JefferyM | maybe |
| 21:40.21 | Gaming4JC | I tried turning it off, but didn't seem to help much |
| 21:40.26 | Gaming4JC | I'll keep on messing around tho |
| 21:40.29 | Gaming4JC | lol |
| 21:40.32 | JefferyM | I'd go over all the things that have changed on the system since it stopped working |
| 21:40.57 | Gaming4JC | ok :) |
| 21:40.57 | JefferyM | but the game will always try to send UDP, so there is no setting in game to change it |
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| 21:47.23 | blast007 | Gaming4JC: also try turning off your firewall for a few minutes to see if that lets you play |
| 21:47.29 | blast007 | if so, you need to adjust your firewall rules |
| 21:52.47 | Gaming4JC | blast007: Thanks for the tip, I tried that already, no luck. :-/ |
| 21:53.03 | Gaming4JC | testing with nod32 now... |
| 21:56.13 | Gaming4JC | JeffM, blast007: I think I found the source of the problem. :-) Right click on Nod32, Advanced Setup, Web access protection, http,https, Web browsers. Uncheck BZFlag. |
| 21:56.27 | Gaming4JC | Still testing but not kicked yet since this. |
| 21:56.35 | Gaming4JC | cuz nod32 only allows TCP traffic |
| 21:56.40 | Gaming4JC | hence blocking UDP |
| 21:56.58 | blast007 | ah, fun :) |
| 22:00.12 | Gaming4JC | yep fixed |
| 22:00.13 | Gaming4JC | thanks :) |
| 22:00.29 | blast007 | cool |
| 22:00.40 | Gaming4JC | cya around |
| 22:00.43 | blast007 | bye |
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