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| 02:58.59 | jcp | I know I asked this before, but I can't remember the answer and I can't seem to find an answer anywhere so I figure I'll ask again. Is it possible to connect to a 2.0 server in such a way that it doesn't send you position updates, only chat messages, killed messages, and the like? Basically, what bzadmin would need to function. |
| 03:00.06 | Mets | wouldn't that be just connecting with bzadmin? |
| 03:00.30 | Mets | what's the goal |
| 03:02.37 | jcp | Mets: I've already mentioned it here, and as usual it was ridiculed, but what the heck. I want to give my IRC bot the functionality to connect to a bzflag server that I run, but I'd prefer not to have excessive bandwidth used by it for player position updates which it doesn't need |
| 03:06.20 | Mets | jcp: afaik, bzadmin doesn't send/receive player positions, and that code is open and available, so I'd look at it and see what it does |
| 03:07.14 | jcp | ok, thanks |
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| 03:10.23 | Mets | jcp: that can be done I think. I would just run bzadmin and have it log everything to a text file - then just tell your irc bot to check for new lines in the text file, read them, and spit them out into the channel |
| 03:10.55 | jcp | heh, except that I already have a library for connecting to bzflag servers :) |
| 03:11.36 | jcp | It just connects as a player/observer, and I didn't know if there was a way to change that to bzadmin-ish mode. But I'll see if I can run bzadmin through a socket proxy and figure out what packets are different |
| 03:13.16 | Mets | there's definitely a way, bzadmin does this, so I'd look to see how it does what it does and go from there |
| 03:17.21 | JeffM | yeah you want it to connect like bzadmin |
| 03:17.41 | JeffM | or connect to a plugin on the server that gives you exactly what you want |
| 03:17.54 | JeffM | (that can be more data then a normal client gets) |
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| 03:41.21 | jcp | bz_eMessageFilteredEvent: That looks like exactly like what we'd need |
| 03:41.40 | jcp | erg, wrong channel, ignore that |
| 03:55.16 | blast007 | jcp: run the IRC bot on the same machine as where the server is... then you don't need to worry about bandwidth |
| 03:55.43 | jcp | blast007: I'm planning on that for now, but the machine is somewhat hard-disk limited |
| 03:56.19 | JeffM | do you get any advanatages out of decoding the bzflag messages yourself? |
| 03:56.27 | JeffM | rather then just connecting to a plugin? |
| 03:56.46 | jcp | Mainly that I don't have to figure out how C++ sockets work :) |
| 03:56.57 | blast007 | write it in C# then |
| 03:57.02 | jcp | the plugin? |
| 03:57.14 | JeffM | yeah you do, you just don't have to write in it ;) |
| 03:57.14 | jcp | Can you compile C# in linux? |
| 03:57.20 | JeffM | sure mono |
| 03:57.28 | jcp | hmm, that might work |
| 03:57.34 | JeffM | but bz won't load a mono plugin |
| 03:57.39 | jcp | has heard that C# is easier to learn coming from java than c++ is |
| 03:57.43 | jcp | erg |
| 03:57.43 | JeffM | what language is your bot in ? |
| 03:57.45 | jcp | then forget that |
| 03:57.46 | jcp | java |
| 03:57.48 | jcp | ducks |
| 03:57.50 | JeffM | I'm so sorry |
| 03:57.59 | jcp | thought you would say that |
| 03:58.10 | blast007 | JeffM: mine isn't much better ;) I use PHP |
| 03:58.11 | JeffM | I mean you are going to have to write java code to decode all the bzflag messages |
| 03:58.25 | jcp | JeffM: I've already done that for another project |
| 03:58.31 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:58.33 | JeffM | fun |
| 03:58.44 | JeffM | that's right your java spam library ;) |
| 03:58.47 | jcp | It just connects as a player/observer, not as a bzadmin client, hence why I was wondering |
| 03:58.50 | jcp | :) |
| 03:59.02 | jcp | Oh, and I came up with a great response to the "spam library" argument about a day after it |
| 03:59.10 | JeffM | the diff between an observer and bzadmin is a single bit |
| 03:59.20 | JeffM | so that should be a simple mod |
| 03:59.28 | jcp | Which was that libraries like pircbot are spam libraries for irc too |
| 03:59.29 | blast007 | at least in 2.99.x |
| 03:59.37 | blast007 | I don't think 2.0.x made a differentiation |
| 03:59.42 | jcp | ...that's what I was afraid of |
| 03:59.44 | JeffM | yeah it may not have |
| 03:59.51 | JeffM | just ignore the messages |
| 04:00.00 | jcp | but they still consume bandwidth |
| 04:00.03 | JeffM | yeah IRC libs get used for spam a lot too |
| 04:00.07 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:00.09 | jcp | If I can run the bot on the same server as the bzflag servers, then it won't he as bad |
| 04:00.15 | JeffM | not much you can do other then connect to a plugin |
| 04:00.26 | JeffM | that would give you minimal bandwith |
| 04:00.43 | jcp | yeah, but then I have to learn how to do C++ sockets, which I've heard are platform-specific |
| 04:00.48 | blast007 | is your bandwidth that tight that you can't run one additional client? |
| 04:00.51 | jcp | Although both my desktop machine and my server run linux |
| 04:00.59 | JeffM | there are 2 platforms, windows, and the rest of the world |
| 04:01.02 | jcp | blast007: It hopefully won't be |
| 04:01.09 | JeffM | will you ever host on windows? |
| 04:01.22 | jcp | I doubt it. I hate it now that I've switched to linux on my desktop machine |
| 04:01.33 | JeffM | then it's stright up C BSD sockers |
| 04:01.35 | JeffM | sockes |
| 04:01.36 | jcp | So I could probably just learn the linux way, and let some poor soul port it to windows if they need it |
| 04:01.40 | jcp | ok |
| 04:01.40 | JeffM | it's pretty easy |
| 04:01.54 | JeffM | porting to windows is like changing 3 functions ;) |
| 04:01.55 | jcp | Wait, BSD socks on linux? |
| 04:01.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 04:02.05 | jcp | man, I have a lot to learn |
| 04:02.06 | JeffM | linux didn't invent networking |
| 04:02.16 | JeffM | that's what OSX uses too |
| 04:02.28 | JeffM | or if you want just use a wraper, like SDL net |
| 04:02.38 | jcp | So wait, what again is SDL? |
| 04:02.53 | JeffM | Simple Direct-Media Layer |
| 04:03.04 | JeffM | it's an API that wraps up platform specific stuff |
| 04:03.10 | JeffM | SDL-net does networking |
| 04:03.14 | JeffM | it's like 3 files |
| 04:03.29 | JeffM | and its' all C, no C++ |
| 04:03.48 | JeffM | if you want C++ there is the TCP conection class in libIRC that is a fork of SDL net |
| 04:05.19 | JeffM | in 3.0.x you could even connect to the server on the same port as the client, and do your own protocol, letting bzfs handle the sockets |
| 04:06.12 | JeffM | but then there is also an IRC plugin for 3.0.x that just lets the server connect to IRC directly |
| 04:07.01 | jcp | ok, I'll check it out |
| 04:08.45 | JeffM | cus if you are worried about bandwith, then connecting as a client is not the way to go, by connecting on your protocoll, you can optimize what you send |
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| 07:22.44 | marzipan | http://img2.vpx.pl/up/20090626/361c072b55.jpeg |
| 07:23.00 | jcp | With server control, is all you have to do is point all of your servers to the same banfile and load the serverControl plugin? |
| 07:24.18 | TutTankAhmon | marzipan: ^^ |
| 07:24.26 | marzipan | ^^ |
| 07:25.25 | marzipan | i m still laughing lol |
| 07:26.25 | blast007 | jcp: and also point serverControl to a config file that contains the paths to your ban files |
| 07:26.29 | blast007 | javawizard2539* |
| 07:26.45 | javawizard2539 | oh, so you can have multiple ban files? |
| 07:26.56 | javawizard2539 | And in that case, what is the difference between them? |
| 07:26.57 | blast007 | two... |
| 07:27.04 | blast007 | local bans, and the masterban list |
| 07:27.16 | javawizard2539 | local being specific to that server? |
| 07:27.24 | javawizard2539 | wait, is there a page on this anywhere? |
| 07:27.29 | blast007 | local as in your bans |
| 07:27.35 | blast007 | masterbans being from bzflag.org |
| 07:27.47 | blast007 | I run a cron job that grabs the lastest master-bans.txt file every 15 minutes or so |
| 07:28.09 | javawizard2539 | oh, so bzflag doesn't automatically download masterbans? |
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| 07:31.33 | Bambino | marzipan: lol... |
| 07:39.39 | blast007 | jcp: nope |
| 07:39.45 | blast007 | only once when the server starts |
| 07:39.57 | jcp | ok |
| 07:40.05 | blast007 | I configure the server to look at the local file instead of the one on the web |
| 07:40.21 | blast007 | -masterBanURL file://masterbans |
| 07:40.49 | blast007 | (where masterbans in this case is a symbolic link to the actual masterban file, in the current working directory) |
| 08:22.35 | Bambino_ | card* |
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| 11:59.29 | CBG` | Hi all. A somewhat unrelated query... the http://images.bzflag.org/ directory listing - is that some modification of the http server's default listing or some custom coded thing? I'd like to implement something like that on a server where normally the directory contents is not allowed to be listed. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 12:15.47 | [dmp] | CBG`: Looks like its a php script: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.htaccess?revision=18031&view=markup |
| 12:20.36 | CBG` | That goes right over my head, but thanks meacan! :) |
| 12:23.44 | [dmp] | pft :) |
| 12:26.42 | CBG` | Is it loading /directory.index.php when the browser requests index.php ? |
| 12:27.59 | CBG` | I guess so. So this is the file I should steal http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.index.php?revision=18031&view=markup :) ty! |
| 12:32.04 | [dmp] | CBG`: basically yes, except it loads the file when browser requests / :) |
| 12:44.36 | CBG` | Right, Thanks very much! :) |
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| 15:07.36 | Wyk3d | brlcad: ping |
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| 15:23.12 | kierra | Bambino_: ping |
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| 15:41.00 | brlcad | Wyk3d: sup? |
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| 15:52.26 | tvon | eh, trunk client should work with trunk server, right? |
| 15:54.01 | blast007 | assuming they match, yes |
| 15:54.06 | blast007 | the protocol changes quite often |
| 15:54.31 | tvon | both at r 20086 |
| 15:54.33 | tvon | er, 20068 |
| 15:54.39 | tvon | I'll rebuild |
| 15:54.54 | blast007 | sometimes the src/date/ code doesn't rebuild |
| 15:55.05 | blast007 | and that has the protocol version in there |
| 15:55.14 | tvon | ah |
| 15:56.38 | tvon | must be the client, prob why no 2.99 servers were showing up |
| 15:58.35 | Wyk3d | brlcad: could you install the openldap library on bzflag.bz (no ldap.h) ? |
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| 16:09.26 | blast007 | Wyk3d: how are things going today? :) |
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| 16:13.11 | el_dife | hello, anyone there...? |
| 16:13.41 | blast007 | yes |
| 16:14.00 | el_dife | hi, I'd need help with a strange issue with the game |
| 16:14.04 | blast007 | ok |
| 16:14.16 | el_dife | do u know the "UDP message"? |
| 16:14.20 | blast007 | yes |
| 16:14.37 | el_dife | well, that's basicly the prob |
| 16:14.38 | blast007 | if you're getting that, it is probably a firewall, antivirus, or router issue |
| 16:15.03 | el_dife | the strange thing it's I couldn't fix it in 2 months |
| 16:15.08 | blast007 | someone the other day had that, and it was Nod32 (their anti-virus) that was treating bzflag as a browser, so only allowing TCP |
| 16:15.30 | el_dife | suppose it's a Router/network config in my case |
| 16:15.50 | blast007 | have you tried disabling your firewall? |
| 16:15.50 | el_dife | aha, good, cause I hav Nod32 |
| 16:15.54 | blast007 | ah |
| 16:16.07 | Wyk3d | blast007: part waiting for that openldap library part looking into bzid stuff |
| 16:16.13 | el_dife | no no, I don't have a firewall (windows+router) |
| 16:16.17 | el_dife | both disabled |
| 16:16.25 | blast007 | 16:56:14 < Gaming4JC> JeffM, blast007: I think I found the source of the problem. :-) Right click on Nod32, Advanced Setup, Web access protection, http,https, Web browsers. Uncheck BZFlag. |
| 16:16.44 | el_dife | mm, let's see |
| 16:18.26 | el_dife | hey, done and OK!! |
| 16:18.45 | blast007 | the game works now? |
| 16:19.06 | el_dife | yep. 3 months for me and u fixed it in a sec!! :D |
| 16:19.09 | blast007 | sweet |
| 16:19.38 | blast007 | I bet Nod32 is doing that because we use HTTP to get the server list and Message Of The Day |
| 16:19.52 | blast007 | so it thinks we're a browser |
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| 16:22.17 | JefferyM | must be a new update to nod that kicks that in, 2 people in 2 days |
| 16:22.29 | eldife | sorry blast007, lost connexion. |
| 16:22.41 | eldife | thanks a lot of lots of lots. |
| 16:23.14 | eldife | talking bout my issue, jefferyM? |
| 16:23.18 | JefferyM | yes |
| 16:23.33 | eldife | wow, but it was uncredible. |
| 16:23.34 | JefferyM | someone else had the same problem yesteday |
| 16:23.55 | eldife | cause I finally could play yesterday, but installing 2.0.8 |
| 16:24.16 | eldife | and into the same session, I changed to Planet Mofo, played.. |
| 16:24.23 | eldife | changed again... |
| 16:24.24 | JefferyM | it's not bzflag's problem that causes that message, it's your firewal /anti-virus |
| 16:24.33 | eldife | and dang |
| 16:24.37 | eldife | yes |
| 16:24.38 | JefferyM | bzflag will always try to use UDP |
| 16:25.08 | eldife | yes but it's very difficult to find a solution when nobody points to Nod32 |
| 16:25.20 | JefferyM | it seems to be a very new problem |
| 16:25.28 | eldife | I've reinstalled the game, touched a thousand things in the router,... |
| 16:25.29 | JefferyM | yesterday was the first time we've heard of it. |
| 16:25.47 | JefferyM | I'm guessing it's a new update to NOD that causes it |
| 16:25.52 | eldife | yep, seems so |
| 16:26.32 | eldife | I will suggest it in the forums, cause everybody still points to ISP/Router |
| 16:26.47 | eldife | (although it can be the prob too) |
| 16:26.47 | JefferyM | the wiki is a better place for info like that |
| 16:27.07 | eldife | I was looking there, but didn't find anything. |
| 16:27.28 | JefferyM | yeah, like I said we just heard about it yesterday |
| 16:27.34 | JefferyM | but it's a wiki, so you can add it :) |
| 16:27.35 | eldife | aha |
| 16:27.58 | eldife | anyways, blessed be this chat :) |
| 16:28.26 | JefferyM | with what goes on here, you don't want to do that ;) |
| 16:29.24 | eldife | don't worry, I'm as noob in the game as in the irc and so :) |
| 16:30.06 | eldife | and even more, I speak Spanish normally, so it's hard to understand "what goes on here" sometimes :) |
| 16:31.23 | eldife | more than kinda lost when people begin with programming and techies stuff |
| 16:31.55 | brlcad | Wyk3d: it's already installed |
| 16:32.42 | Wyk3d | openldap is but not the library .. or you installed it recently ? |
| 16:33.10 | Wyk3d | there's was no ldap.h last time i checked |
| 16:36.15 | brlcad | er, think you're probably just looking in the wrong places |
| 16:36.22 | brlcad | it's always been installed |
| 16:36.28 | Wyk3d | M> but it's a wiki, so you can add it :) |
| 16:36.28 | Wyk3d | [19:27] <eldife> aha |
| 16:36.28 | Wyk3d | [19:28] <eldife> anyways, blessed be this chat :) |
| 16:36.28 | Wyk3d | [19:28] <@JefferyM> with what goes on here, you don't want to do that ;) |
| 16:36.28 | Wyk3d | [19:29] <eldife> don't worry, I'm as noob in the game as in the irc and so :) |
| 16:36.29 | Wyk3d | [19:30] <eldife> and even more, I speak Spanish normally, so it's hard to understand "what goes on here" sometimes :) |
| 16:36.32 | Wyk3d | [19:31] <eldife> more than kinda lost when people begin with programming and techies stuff |
| 16:36.34 | Wyk3d | [19:31] <brlcad> Wyk3d: it's already installed |
| 16:36.36 | Wyk3d | [19:32] <Wyk3d> openldap is but |
| 16:36.38 | Wyk3d | damn paste :( |
| 16:36.41 | JefferyM | heh |
| 16:36.47 | Wyk3d | test.c:1:18: ldap.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:36.58 | brlcad | so you didn't tell it where to find the header :) |
| 16:37.15 | brlcad | maybe you should find it first, then you'll know the right CPPFLAGS you need to use :) |
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| 16:38.52 | Wyk3d | hmm i figured it would find it by itself in usr/local/include too .. |
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| 16:49.35 | brlcad | yeah, gcc just looks where it's told |
| 16:49.44 | brlcad | depends how it was compiled, default is just /usr/include |
| 16:51.30 | brlcad | you can override it for gcc by setting C_INCLUDE_PATH environment variable, iirc, but it's generally good practice regardless to set your include dirs for any non-/usr/include dir |
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| 17:13.02 | tvon | any bzexcess admins around? having a bit of a tk-er issue |
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| 17:24.19 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20069 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 6 dirs): fixed some bugs with switching between move, rotate and scale and added buttons so those actions are more easily accessible |
| 17:34.15 | Will07c5 | the widget doesn't update immediately (you need to click once in the window) when you switch between move,rotate and scale so I will fix that today |
| 17:34.55 | Will07c5 | since that likely won't take long I think I'll start work on snap to grid since that is the last feature I planned to add on my proposal |
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| 17:42.10 | JefferyM | that'll be the most usefull |
| 17:42.27 | JefferyM | then it's optimization time right? |
| 17:42.31 | Will07c5 | yeah |
| 17:42.34 | JefferyM | cool |
| 17:42.45 | JefferyM | then we can do usability testing and coolness features ;) |
| 17:43.07 | Will07c5 | yep, sounds like a plan |
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| 18:03.10 | temp_work | PrezKennedyII, Robert McNamara has died! |
| 18:03.23 | PrezKennedyII | nooooooo! |
| 18:03.40 | temp_work | you'll need a new DefSec |
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| 18:12.33 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20070 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 4 dirs): selection widget now updates properly, also modified the rotate widget to better reflect its functionality |
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| 18:14.47 | blast007 | Wyk3d: what's your plan for today? |
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| 18:43.06 | Wyk3d | blast007: as i said, will be committing bzid related stuff, plus changes to the m4s for openldap |
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| 19:32.43 | blast007 | Wyk3d: okay |
| 19:34.36 | blast007 | yeah, missed your earlier message :) |
| 20:07.36 | KingRobot1 | Fellow students, the GSOC 2009 Student Midterm Evaluation Form is up :) |
| 20:08.12 | KingRobot1 | http://tinyurl.com/studentmidevals for more info |
| 20:08.26 | KingRobot1 | Likewise, for the mentors: http://tinyurl.com/mentormidevals |
| 20:08.30 | KingRobot1 | :) |
| 20:12.08 | Will07c5 | already submitted his survey :) |
| 20:14.24 | KingRobot1 | Me too :) |
| 20:16.58 | KingRobot1 | lua went back in? |
| 20:17.32 | blast007 | just the server-side plugin part |
| 20:17.42 | blast007 | not any client stuff |
| 20:17.59 | JefferyM | the part that dosn't need much testing :) |
| 20:18.10 | trepan | the sucky part ;) |
| 20:19.01 | blast007 | trepan: can lua plugins be built into the BZW again? cuz that was neat. |
| 20:19.22 | trepan | yup |
| 20:19.41 | trepan | that, and that i find plugin much easier in lua, are the reasons it went back in |
| 20:19.58 | trepan | and the fact that it doesn't affect any of my other silly plans ;) |
| 20:26.39 | trepan | blast007: fwiw, the same could be done for python too, if someone updated its interface |
| 20:27.07 | trepan | or make a mono plugin, and get all its languages |
| 20:34.49 | JefferyM | it's just language wraping :) |
| 20:35.00 | JefferyM | swig up the api header and go for it :) |
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| 20:49.17 | cygal | DTRemenak|RDP: ping |
| 20:52.50 | cygal | JefferyM: the survey stuff has arrived. when there are questions about my mentor, should I think about "the mentoring group", or just DTRemenak|RDP? |
| 21:00.12 | JefferyM | we work as a group so that's probbly the best way to answer |
| 21:00.21 | JefferyM | he's not here, he'll be back tomorow |
| 21:00.33 | JefferyM | he's up visiting his brother in OR. |
| 21:01.00 | JefferyM | he has been follwing your work, he's just not as talkative as the rest of us :) |
| 21:01.27 | JefferyM | when I mention your work when we go to lunch he is up to speed on it :) |
| 21:03.15 | cygal | ok :) because we only "talked" twice: "hello" and "I don't have too much time on my hands, sorry" |
| 21:04.06 | cygal | do mentors also have the questions about how often we communicate with the students? it would be better if the answers were the same, I guess (maybe not, anyway I'll answer honestly) |
| 21:04.33 | cygal | thanks for all your time btw, it is great to have you online everyday for help |
| 21:14.36 | JefferyM | yeah we have to answer the same question and he'll mention we do it as a group |
| 21:15.08 | JefferyM | I even mentioned that on mine for Will07c5 even tho I tend to see him daily |
| 21:31.19 | cygal | survey submitted :) |
| 21:32.16 | cygal | will I have feedback on my work btw? things to improve, etc. |
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| 23:52.33 | TD-Linux | how do I workaround the teleporter mesh bug in 2.0.10? |
| 23:52.58 | Allejo | which bug? |
| 23:56.09 | TD-Linux | where if one drives from a teleporter on a mesh to a teleporter on a box, one gets stuck |
