| 00:00.40 | Allejo | you can try to add a small box under a teleporter to raise the rank while it drives on top of it |
| 00:00.47 | Allejo | a small box at most 0.1 |
| 00:01.03 | Allejo | or raise the teleport so the tank would have to jump thru the tele |
| 00:01.31 | Allejo | by 0.1 i mean the height should be 0.1 |
| 00:07.25 | spldart | That does not always work. |
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| 00:41.15 | TD-Linux | tanks automatically go on things under 0.1 high? |
| 00:41.28 | TD-Linux | anyway got fixed because the tele was actually placed wrong |
| 00:41.51 | JefferyM | as a general rule yes, but that usualy dosn't work around the bug |
| 00:42.26 | TD-Linux | anyway 96.42.87.236:5154 2.0branch if anyone is interested |
| 00:43.12 | Allejo | the box ocasionally work but i just use an elevated teleporter most of the time |
| 00:43.42 | TD-Linux | cheap trick: texture the box so it turns into mesh :D |
| 00:43.46 | TD-Linux | or just use my magical mesh group |
| 00:44.08 | TD-Linux | which I had to use before the server automatically turned boxes into meshes |
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| 00:44.25 | TD-Linux | (tip: a mesh containing a 6-sided cube textures better than a "meshbox") |
| 00:44.46 | TD-Linux | of course, UVmapping is the best way :D |
| 00:44.52 | JefferyM | you can just change it to a meshbox |
| 00:45.02 | TD-Linux | "meshbox" textures ugly :( |
| 00:45.09 | TD-Linux | on the map I posted, the ground is UVmapped |
| 00:45.17 | Allejo | not unless you want to do something simple |
| 00:45.19 | TD-Linux | posted as in pasted link to above |
| 00:45.35 | TD-Linux | the ground in that map was created in blender |
| 00:45.42 | TD-Linux | basically a heightmap |
| 00:45.58 | TD-Linux | it's also unoptimized so contains lots of polys right now... 3-4k |
| 00:46.37 | TD-Linux | BTW, remember to export your mesh with normals so you can get purty smoothshading :D |
| 00:47.03 | trepan | 'meshbox' is treated as the 2.0.x converted in 3.0 |
| 00:47.28 | trepan | and uses 'texautoscale' by default, instead of the 'texsize' style |
| 00:49.29 | trepan | (ie: meshbox doesn't use the 'arc' obstacle anymore :) |
| 00:56.07 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20071 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/ (Makefile.am example/): * removed the poor examples |
| 00:56.31 | a_meteorite | thought lua got removed |
| 00:56.40 | trepan | server-side lua was re-added |
| 00:57.52 | a_meteorite | ah |
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| 01:28.18 | TD-Linux | by the way I think blender's UVmapping has gotten much better recently |
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| 01:53.04 | randomparticle | where is fvec3 defined, please? |
| 01:54.08 | trepan | include/vectors.h |
| 01:54.31 | trepan | if you're going to play with code, get a better search tool |
| 01:54.35 | randomparticle | thank you |
| 01:54.56 | randomparticle | i used grep. wasn't ver helpful :) |
| 01:55.13 | randomparticle | found hundreds of examples |
| 01:55.47 | JeffM | most code editors have a macro to "go to definition" right? |
| 01:56.14 | randomparticle | i'm not sure if it would work with xcode |
| 01:56.20 | randomparticle | since it's not a full xcode project |
| 01:56.42 | JeffM | ahh perhaps |
| 01:57.05 | randomparticle | i don't have visual studio back on yet after my reinstall |
| 01:57.10 | trepan | find . -name '*.h' -exec grep -H fvec3 {} \; | grep -E 'class|typedef|struct' |
| 01:57.22 | trepan | something like that would narrow it down a lot |
| 01:57.28 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 01:57.29 | JeffM | just rolls of the tounge dosn't it? ;) |
| 01:57.45 | trepan | i use macro and aliases ;-) |
| 01:57.46 | randomparticle | but.. |
| 01:57.55 | randomparticle | i'm not sure that would work in general |
| 01:58.10 | JeffM | right click, go to def :) |
| 01:58.11 | randomparticle | worth a try though |
| 01:59.32 | randomparticle | hmm.. i was thinking about the jump trajectory calculations |
| 01:59.41 | randomparticle | and how they vary with framerate |
| 02:00.44 | randomparticle | why not use the s = ut + 0.5at^2 thing? |
| 02:01.18 | randomparticle | one could get a constant velocity vector out of that and plug it back in |
| 02:01.48 | randomparticle | then framerate wouldn't affect it, except for some neglible numerical errors |
| 02:02.14 | JeffM | what part of it is using framerate now? |
| 02:02.26 | JeffM | is it using the DT for the frame time? |
| 02:02.48 | randomparticle | it was the last time i looked |
| 02:03.14 | randomparticle | sometimes sliced to give smaller dts |
| 02:04.33 | JeffM | was that in 2 or 3? |
| 02:04.41 | randomparticle | 3 |
| 02:08.51 | JeffM | fun |
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| 02:09.31 | randomparticle | what i'm saying is you can approximate the jump curve using straight line segments |
| 02:09.45 | randomparticle | but why not have the segment end points lie on the true curve? |
| 02:09.59 | JeffM | I think that was the goal, it was just not implemented well |
| 02:10.05 | randomparticle | ok |
| 02:10.20 | JeffM | that's code from 1993 |
| 02:10.41 | randomparticle | i think the maths was known in 1753 :) |
| 02:10.44 | JeffM | when "whoo 3d" was more important the accurage simulation |
| 02:10.55 | JeffM | and the frame rates were fairly constnat |
| 02:10.58 | trepan | could also quantize the sim into fixed time steps, and interpolate the visual state |
| 02:11.01 | JeffM | 8, 9,12 |
| 02:11.11 | trepan | (as many a game does ...) |
| 02:11.16 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:11.27 | randomparticle | sounds reasonable |
| 02:11.46 | JeffM | that seems to generaly be the most stable way to get a server state too, run at a fixed sim rate |
| 02:11.49 | randomparticle | i think as long as the steps are variable, there will always be doubts |
| 02:12.17 | trepan | as long as clients are in control, there will always be doubts ;) |
| 02:12.19 | randomparticle | is hard to eliminate one by one each side-effect of varitable dt size |
| 02:12.45 | JeffM | it's just a video game, you can get close 'enough' ;) |
| 02:13.09 | trepan | from what little testing i've done lately, DR does appear to currently be whacked-out |
| 02:13.19 | JeffM | cool |
| 02:13.37 | randomparticle | is it over-extrapolating? |
| 02:13.38 | trepan | and that's with local networking |
| 02:13.55 | trepan | randomparticle: ya, by _lots_ |
| 02:14.08 | trepan | might also be a 32 vs. 64 bit, dunno |
| 02:14.22 | randomparticle | i took a quick look before, but i couldn't replicate the problem |
| 02:14.26 | JeffM | so I souldn't have put random *5 in there? |
| 02:14.31 | trepan | heh |
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| 02:17.29 | randomparticle | something else |
| 02:17.47 | randomparticle | in 2.0.x if your tank hits the ground, it stops |
| 02:18.00 | randomparticle | but if it hits a shot, it continues moving until the end of the frame |
| 02:18.14 | randomparticle | but really, a shot is just the ultimate obstacle |
| 02:18.39 | randomparticle | but it gets different treatment from other obstacles |
| 02:18.48 | randomparticle | so you can end up capturing a flag after being hit |
| 02:19.07 | randomparticle | so i wonder if one could somehow refactor that code |
| 02:19.31 | randomparticle | and make a shot a first-class citizen of the obstacle world :) |
| 02:19.59 | JeffM | shots aren't treated as obstacles |
| 02:20.05 | randomparticle | yeah, but they could be |
| 02:20.07 | JeffM | it's just the order that stuff is done in |
| 02:20.24 | JeffM | and that shoudln't be able to happen anymore, as the flag caps are server side |
| 02:20.40 | randomparticle | ok |
| 02:20.43 | JeffM | they don't really behave the same way, they arn't really in the octree, and the server dosn't track them. |
| 02:20.49 | JeffM | yeah in the end you could wrap it all up |
| 02:21.05 | JeffM | but you kinda need to know where you are going to be, before you know if that shot will hit you |
| 02:21.15 | JeffM | and you can't know where you are untill you collide with the world |
| 02:21.15 | randomparticle | conceptually they're all things you can collide with |
| 02:21.21 | JeffM | ish |
| 02:21.36 | JeffM | shots use a different collision volume for fun as well |
| 02:22.01 | JeffM | it's very possible to compute where you would be if you were not going to be shot, then see if you got shot, then not go where you would be |
| 02:22.14 | JeffM | shots do not limit your motion, like the ground does |
| 02:22.21 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 02:22.22 | JeffM | so they do a somewhat different thing |
| 02:22.33 | randomparticle | the ground situation is a bit odd actually |
| 02:22.34 | JeffM | the shot should be the last thing you check actualy |
| 02:22.48 | JeffM | because you need the obstacles to know your final path for the timeslice |
| 02:23.01 | JeffM | once you know that, you can see if that path intersects any shots or flags |
| 02:23.03 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 02:23.08 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 02:23.14 | JeffM | it's kinda like solid vs intagable |
| 02:23.22 | randomparticle | has the ground collision test changed? |
| 02:23.32 | JeffM | with the new DR yeah |
| 02:23.34 | randomparticle | because the way it used to work was, for me, a bit surprising |
| 02:24.06 | randomparticle | i.e., the velocity vector was changed to shorten the motion |
| 02:24.15 | randomparticle | resulting in increased speed as one touched down |
| 02:24.25 | randomparticle | sorry, reduced speed |
| 02:24.44 | JeffM | yeah I think we just clip the z now, so your HV mag is still the same |
| 02:29.11 | randomparticle | just to certain: checkHit in SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx is still *the* shot hit checker? |
| 02:29.31 | randomparticle | i.e., it hasn't gone server side and that's not just an unused code remnant? |
| 02:29.37 | JeffM | I think so |
| 02:29.41 | randomparticle | great |
| 02:29.41 | JeffM | no shots are not server side |
| 02:29.52 | trepan | GM has basically a copy of the same code (minor diffs, iirc) |
| 02:30.11 | randomparticle | ok |
| 02:30.12 | trepan | and there's SW, the easy one ;) |
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| 03:10.26 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20072 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/MeshDrawInfo.cxx: |
| 03:10.26 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * reverted r16181-16183 |
| 03:10.26 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: (ironically, those asserts suffer from the same bug that I fixed a while ago) |
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| 03:24.33 | JeffM | he lives! |
| 03:24.38 | DTRemenak | waves |
| 03:24.45 | JeffM | flights ok? |
| 03:24.48 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 03:24.56 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:25.27 | blast007 | :) |
| 03:25.29 | JeffM | bet the cat is happy you are home |
| 03:25.33 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 03:25.43 | DTRemenak | he spent the last 45 mins or so fighting my hand |
| 03:25.48 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:51.36 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20073 10/trunk/bzflag/ (41 files in 13 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:51.36 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * KILLED PAUSING, to be fixed |
| 03:51.36 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * bumped protocol and rev |
| 03:51.36 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * reverted some of the lua configuration customizations |
| 03:51.36 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: (makes using external lua libs a littel easier) |
| 03:51.37 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * added the tank dimension bzdb vars to TankGeometryMgr's callbacks |
| 03:51.41 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * removed the FIXME in TrackMarks.cxx associated with mark widths |
| 03:52.08 | spldart | Another bump. |
| 03:52.18 | DTRemenak | it's a bumpy road |
| 03:52.29 | spldart | Indeed it is |
| 03:54.14 | DTRemenak | cygal: pong. one of these times you'll get me when I'm actually here :) I'll try to ping you sometime tomorrow when you're likely to be awake and we can talk. |
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| 09:19.24 | cygal | DTRemenak: ok |
| 09:19.56 | cygal | DTRemenak: I can also try to be awake a bit later |
| 09:20.01 | cygal | there is mail too. |
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| 14:02.21 | Constitution | what's a good IDE that runs on Linux? |
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| 14:15.04 | _WarPig_ | Eclipse |
| 14:15.59 | Constitution | will that work well for C++? |
| 14:16.14 | _WarPig_ | Yes, and its free :) |
| 14:16.53 | cygal | http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ |
| 14:17.34 | Constitution | hmm, 85 dependencies :) |
| 14:17.45 | cygal | uses a lot of RAM too |
| 14:19.07 | Gnurdux | there is also KDevelop and things like that |
| 14:19.18 | Constitution | I use gnome |
| 14:19.24 | Constitution | what about Anjuta? |
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| 14:22.39 | cygal | less features |
| 14:23.39 | cygal | as far as I know |
| 14:23.58 | cygal | which distribution are you using? |
| 14:24.25 | Gnurdux | there is nothing that stops you from using Kdevelop on Gnome |
| 14:24.29 | Gnurdux | it just might not look Gnomy |
| 14:25.47 | cygal | and dependencies |
| 14:26.23 | cygal | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/game/DirectoryNames.cxx?r1=19235&r2=19570 http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/game/DirectoryNames.cxx?r1=19570&r2=19572 |
| 14:26.43 | cygal | those commits never got adapted for something else than win32 |
| 14:26.45 | Constitution | yeah I think it installed a whole slew of java development stuff... and I use ubuntu |
| 14:28.00 | cygal | the eclipse package is not maintained |
| 14:29.11 | cygal | at least I think so. |
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| 15:25.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | hey everyone, quick question. what do i add to groupdb to enable a user to (un)load plugins? |
| 15:25.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks |
| 15:26.52 | Constitution | PLUGINS |
| 15:27.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | ah i see. thanks constitution. |
| 15:27.32 | Constitution | np |
| 15:27.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | p.s. there should really be a page on the wiki in groupdb with all of the available options |
| 15:27.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | that would help alot of people |
| 15:27.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | like me xD |
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| 15:30.13 | Constitution | so make it |
| 15:30.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | xD ill work on that :) |
| 15:30.56 | Constitution | and I think there already is such a thing |
| 15:31.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | where? |
| 15:31.25 | Constitution | on the wiki |
| 15:31.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | i already looked |
| 15:31.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | unless i missed sumthin |
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| 15:32.30 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Permissions |
| 15:32.46 | Constitution | yeah, you did miss it |
| 15:33.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | arg, your smart |
| 15:33.40 | Constitution | no... all I did was search for "permissions" |
| 15:33.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | im not quite that smart xD |
| 15:34.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | i was looking here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_Group_File |
| 15:34.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | ill add a link there |
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| 15:37.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | one last thing, is there a list of plugins and all the things they do |
| 15:37.25 | Constitution | the ones that come with the source code? |
| 15:37.29 | Constitution | or third-party plugins? |
| 15:37.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | the ones that come |
| 15:37.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | with the source |
| 15:37.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | they have a readme but half the time it says nothing |
| 15:39.25 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Plugins |
| 15:39.42 | Constitution | there's a list at the bottom... the blue ones have links to their own pages |
| 15:40.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | arg stop showing off your smartness. |
| 15:40.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks constitution xD |
| 15:40.39 | Constitution | it's not smartness, just knowing where to look |
| 15:40.51 | Constitution | in both cases, your answers were on the wiki and were revealed by simple searches |
| 15:41.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks :) |
| 15:41.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | now your making me feel extra dumb |
| 15:43.23 | Constitution | the purpose is not to make you feel dumb, but to encourage you to use the sources available to you to their fullest potentials |
| 15:48.15 | Mets | likes the wiki |
| 15:51.09 | Mets | it can be intimidating for people though who are new to server management |
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| 15:54.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | is not new to server managment |
| 15:58.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | can someone tell me why i have +f G{2} in my conf but it wont appear on map |
| 15:58.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | even if i try /flag give #0 g |
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| 16:16.15 | Mets | does /flag show list any flags? |
| 16:17.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.31 | me1 | /flag show shows ALL the flags |
| 16:17.41 | me1 | so geno is not on that map |
| 16:17.47 | me1 | check your config again |
| 16:18.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | i did |
| 16:18.43 | Mets | me1: he needs to first see if its loading the flag |
| 16:19.13 | Mets | and mrapplecomputer1, you need to specify the flag number, not the flag type |
| 16:19.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://pastebin.com/d32fad085 |
| 16:19.57 | Mets | so /flag give #0 g won't work, you need to use /flag give #playerslot #flagid |
| 16:20.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | geno is straight up not on the map |
| 16:20.47 | Mets | if you type /flag show do you see it in the flag list? |
| 16:20.53 | me1 | Mets, if the flag is on the map, it should work |
| 16:20.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | could it be that theres only rogue? |
| 16:21.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.14 | me1 | are there _any_ errors when running bzfs? |
| 16:21.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | let me check |
| 16:22.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | no errors |
| 16:22.44 | Constitution | pastebin your map |
| 16:22.44 | Mets | me1: sorry i misread what he typed, you can also do /flag give #slot type |
| 16:27.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | on another topic, lets say i have the source for a plugin i want to use, how do i compile it? |
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| 16:27.47 | me1 | what os? |
| 16:29.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | mac |
| 16:29.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | of course xD |
| 16:33.19 | Mets | mrapplecomputer1: put it in the plugin directory, then add lines to the makefiles |
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| 16:34.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyone here write plugisn and would be willing to make a couple changes to one i have? |
| 16:35.16 | Constitution | why don't you try making them yourself |
| 16:35.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | im not godo at them xD or know how to make them |
| 16:35.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | yassen or fp you there? :) |
| 16:38.17 | Mets | not that it's probably making a difference, but you don't really need the -d option in your server conf, unless you plan on doing debugging |
| 16:39.10 | Mets | I know there's a forum thread also for getting a server up and running on osx, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=3940 |
| 16:39.27 | Mets | if any of that is helpful |
| 16:40.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | Mets: not really, i just like -d so i can see a log |
| 16:41.30 | JefferyM | what changes did oyu want? |
| 16:41.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | jeff ill send you the plugin so you can see |
| 16:41.55 | JefferyM | no, just describe the changes first |
| 16:42.00 | JefferyM | I have not agreed to anything |
| 16:42.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://pastebin.com/d20401047 |
| 16:42.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok xD |
| 16:42.07 | JefferyM | nope |
| 16:42.09 | JefferyM | desribe |
| 16:42.14 | JefferyM | be an adult, communicate |
| 16:42.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | i want to make it so instead of the sw location being pre planned, its random |
| 16:42.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | and people can only do a limimt of like 20 sws a min |
| 16:43.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | basically what the plugin does is allow users to type /sw <number> then a sw goes off in a random plave |
| 16:43.22 | JefferyM | so use rand()%mapsize |
| 16:43.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | in a pre planned, not random sry |
| 16:43.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | where do i pu that? xD |
| 16:43.42 | JefferyM | learn C |
| 16:44.17 | JefferyM | what plugin is this? it's not one of our standard ones |
| 16:44.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | TheFish made it |
| 16:44.51 | JefferyM | what is it called? |
| 16:45.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | shockwave i guess ? |
| 16:45.54 | JefferyM | where did you get it? |
| 16:45.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | from him |
| 16:46.15 | JefferyM | it is not released with a licnes that allows redistrobution or modification, I can not edit it |
| 16:46.20 | JefferyM | and you can not post it's code anywhere |
| 16:46.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | the fish has made it freely available |
| 16:46.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | its open source |
| 16:46.47 | JefferyM | what license? |
| 16:47.12 | JefferyM | that file mentioned no license, so it ain't open source |
| 16:47.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | cratice commens |
| 16:47.33 | JefferyM | dude, do you even TRY to type? |
| 16:47.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol im having like 5 different convos |
| 16:47.57 | JefferyM | I thought I was bad |
| 16:48.04 | JefferyM | yeah lol.. that's our problem why? |
| 16:48.25 | mrapplecomputer1 | nwhat? |
| 16:48.27 | JefferyM | I would recomend you ask the author for your mods, and have him properly license his files |
| 16:49.26 | JefferyM | how old are you? |
| 16:49.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | 13 |
| 16:50.08 | JefferyM | please try to act more mature |
| 16:50.22 | JefferyM | this isn't kindergarden |
| 16:50.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | what did i do wrong? :( |
| 16:50.45 | JefferyM | it's just your general attitude |
| 16:50.48 | JefferyM | the LOL, etc.. |
| 16:51.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | ah |
| 16:51.03 | JefferyM | and your constant assumptions that we are here to do things for you. |
| 16:51.08 | JefferyM | it's a bit anoying at times |
| 16:51.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | i was just wondering if you ahd some free time to help me? :) |
| 16:51.40 | JefferyM | I know |
| 16:51.58 | JefferyM | but they arn't mods to standard plugins, nor ones that are licensed for mods, so No |
| 16:52.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | if you cant modify it can you tell me how? :) |
| 16:52.31 | JefferyM | learn C |
| 16:52.34 | JefferyM | it's not that hard |
| 16:52.47 | JefferyM | there are some tutorials on the net that are pretty good |
| 16:54.05 | JefferyM | for what you are talking about, you just want a new plug-in not a mod |
| 16:54.11 | JefferyM | it would be a very simple plugin |
| 16:54.53 | JefferyM | I can't see it being any fun on the other hand. how is the ability to spawn random SW's a good thing? |
| 16:55.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | its going to be great for my map i ahve up called world weapon madness, the sequel to teleportation madness :D |
| 16:55.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | wanna check it out? |
| 16:55.37 | JefferyM | god no |
| 16:55.37 | blast007 | no thx |
| 16:55.47 | JefferyM | yeah that has munchkin writen all over it |
| 16:55.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol blast and jeff reply at the same time xD |
| 16:56.01 | JefferyM | no we did not |
| 16:56.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | im sorry i should have said " thats funny how you too replied near the same time" |
| 16:56.38 | JefferyM | it isn't even funny man |
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| 16:56.50 | JefferyM | it's just the nature of IRC, and how bad your idea is ;) |
| 16:56.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | *sighs* |
| 16:57.15 | JefferyM | so what makes having tons of ranom weapons and dying at random times fun? |
| 16:57.20 | blast007 | why not just kill people randomly every few seconds? |
| 16:57.28 | JefferyM | it would be the same effect |
| 16:57.31 | mrapplecomputer1 | they dont explode randomly |
| 16:57.38 | blast007 | sure they do |
| 16:57.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | you have to see for yourself :) |
| 16:57.48 | JefferyM | it's effectivly random if players can fire them off |
| 16:57.52 | blast007 | they get hit by a shockwave randomly, which causes them to explode |
| 16:58.02 | JefferyM | when there is no way to avoid death, it is not fun |
| 16:58.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | o ya the /sw is random, which is fun |
| 16:58.15 | JefferyM | "o" is not a word, please use english |
| 16:58.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 16:58.33 | Constitution | how can the "/sw" be random, when people type it in at very specific times? |
| 16:58.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | random on the map |
| 17:00.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh my gosh its noon and ive spent half of my day on bzflag. this isnt good |
| 17:00.38 | JefferyM | oh onez |
| 17:00.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | please use english :) |
| 17:01.01 | JefferyM | why? you don't? |
| 17:01.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: ever get freezze tag figured out? |
| 17:01.33 | JefferyM | gotta get back to homeschool? |
| 17:01.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | im pretty sure its summer and i go to a real school |
| 17:02.00 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: nope, haven't really looked at it again |
| 17:02.14 | JefferyM | it is not summer everywhere in the world |
| 17:02.17 | trepan | how long is that bus? |
| 17:02.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: thats ok, might want to get that fixed up before 3.0 release |
| 17:02.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes it is |
| 17:02.47 | Constitution | maybe you should learn C++ and help |
| 17:03.16 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, please understand that people work on bzflag when they want to as a hobby. |
| 17:03.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | i know im just a reminder alert |
| 17:03.49 | JefferyM | yeah... honestly.. we don't need your reminder |
| 17:04.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | :( ok :( |
| 17:04.14 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: or we can always just remove it ;) that's always an option too |
| 17:04.14 | JefferyM | is that even a standard pluign? |
| 17:04.27 | blast007 | JefferyM: the -freezeTag bzfs option |
| 17:04.28 | JefferyM | or is it a mode? |
| 17:04.30 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 17:04.34 | JefferyM | what's wrong with it? |
| 17:04.40 | blast007 | doesn't seem to do anything |
| 17:04.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | it wont work. |
| 17:04.46 | JefferyM | then pull it |
| 17:04.47 | blast007 | but I really didn't look at any of the code |
| 17:04.55 | JefferyM | who added it? |
| 17:04.55 | blast007 | for all I know, it's not even hooked up to anything |
| 17:05.03 | JefferyM | would rather have modes be plugins :) |
| 17:05.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | freeze tag looks like so much fun though! |
| 17:05.11 | Mets | just curious, has anybody ever made a bzflag statbot? |
| 17:05.17 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, not if it dosn't do anything |
| 17:05.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | the description looks like fun |
| 17:05.49 | JefferyM | that worries me if you think random shockwaves is also fun ;) |
| 17:06.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | to a 13 year old it is |
| 17:06.03 | JefferyM | Mets, what do you mean by statbot? |
| 17:06.07 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, exactly |
| 17:06.12 | JefferyM | the rest of the world isn't 13 |
| 17:06.40 | blast007 | "amcnabb" |
| 17:07.00 | JefferyM | did he just ass the switch at that time? |
| 17:07.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | "# Not strictly a game style, but this make more sense in some styles |
| 17:07.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | # than others: on collision (shot) freeze the player farthest from |
| 17:07.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | # home base |
| 17:07.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | -freezeTag" |
| 17:07.03 | Mets | JefferyM: some bot that sits on a map and keeps statistics (of whatever) for every player it sees |
| 17:07.23 | blast007 | add* ;) |
| 17:07.33 | Mets | actually I believe brad made one now that I really think about it |
| 17:07.36 | JefferyM | Mets, I guess you could do it as a bot, simpler as a plug-in |
| 17:07.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | bzjp has one i think |
| 17:07.44 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=13311 |
| 17:07.46 | JefferyM | I mean why do you need it to be in the player list? |
| 17:07.55 | Mets | true a plugin would work also |
| 17:08.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | never mind, im wrong |
| 17:08.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | like always |
| 17:08.19 | Mets | I guess people think bots that do interesting things are "cool" |
| 17:08.33 | JefferyM | or a waste of a player slot ;) |
| 17:08.37 | blast007 | Mets: a plugin can do interesting things too |
| 17:08.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: would you be wiling to come to my server and offer "constructive feedback" ? |
| 17:08.50 | JefferyM | no |
| 17:08.51 | Mets | blast007: agreed |
| 17:08.57 | JefferyM | I am at work right now |
| 17:08.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | ;( |
| 17:09.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | on irc while at work? |
| 17:09.21 | JefferyM | yeah, so? |
| 17:09.28 | Constitution | I wonder if that worked back when he added it or if it was still a work-in-progress |
| 17:09.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | arent you supposed to be working? :) |
| 17:09.46 | blast007 | Constitution: always one way to find out :) |
| 17:09.47 | JefferyM | I am working |
| 17:09.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | on bzflag..... |
| 17:09.53 | blast007 | mrapplecomputer1: it's called multitasking |
| 17:10.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast007: haha ok :) |
| 17:10.05 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, no, you assume far too much. I am not a child |
| 17:10.36 | JefferyM | currently I am evaluating differences in machine output with the educational version |
| 17:10.36 | Mets | blast007: is this going to be in the trunk release or did this get axed? |
| 17:10.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | when i have internships and jobs i never go on irc or bzflag |
| 17:10.36 | JefferyM | some of the resources are not being decrypted properly |
| 17:10.45 | blast007 | Mets: is what? |
| 17:11.12 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, you are 13, most people will not trust you on your own. |
| 17:11.16 | JefferyM | and be right. |
| 17:11.25 | mrapplecomputer1 | ha i think you are assuming to much |
| 17:11.50 | Mets | the amcnabb revision you posted |
| 17:11.51 | JefferyM | no, I am saying how I feel most people would act, that is an opinion not an assumption ;) |
| 17:11.53 | trepan | hm, FreezeTagGameStyle isn't used anywhere in the client code |
| 17:11.56 | JefferyM | Mets, that is in trunk |
| 17:12.05 | blast007 | trepan: heh |
| 17:12.07 | JefferyM | I wonder if it got busted or yanked |
| 17:12.08 | trepan | so the messages would always be sent ... that, at least, should be fixed |
| 17:12.29 | JefferyM | does it just use the movement and shot allow messages? |
| 17:12.40 | trepan | uses MsgCollide |
| 17:12.46 | trepan | client-side collision checks |
| 17:12.50 | JefferyM | ahh ok |
| 17:12.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: unfortunately you are wrong |
| 17:13.01 | JefferyM | do you still shoot in that game style? |
| 17:13.07 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, entirely possible |
| 17:13.21 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, but then I don't know how you can speak for most people ether ;) |
| 17:13.43 | JefferyM | you can for the people you have encountered, just as I can for the ones I have. |
| 17:14.03 | blast007 | ah, so it's when you touch another tank maybe? I'm was assuming it was when you shot them. |
| 17:14.18 | JefferyM | so do you turn off shots in that mode? |
| 17:14.20 | trepan | ya, tank vs. tank collisions |
| 17:14.22 | JefferyM | is it bummer cars? |
| 17:14.30 | blast007 | wonder how that works exactly |
| 17:14.34 | blast007 | is one tank "it" ? |
| 17:14.48 | JefferyM | if so it shoudl use rabbit team |
| 17:15.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:15.11 | blast007 | it didn't give any indication of what was going on |
| 17:15.21 | JefferyM | and at that point shoudl we call it "ItTeam"? |
| 17:15.52 | trepan | just disable it until after 3.0? :) |
| 17:15.59 | JefferyM | I'm fine with that |
| 17:16.12 | JefferyM | I mean it whas added what 2.5 yeras ago with no support afterwards? |
| 17:16.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | i vote keep it! |
| 17:16.33 | JefferyM | just add an API event for collision events and then it can be done in lua |
| 17:16.37 | trepan | you don't get a vote |
| 17:16.39 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, too bad bzflag isn't a democracy |
| 17:16.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: haha ok :D |
| 17:16.54 | JefferyM | it was not a joke |
| 17:17.12 | trepan | JefferyM: is it worth adding client-side tank-vs-tank collisions at all? |
| 17:17.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh sorry, it souned like one on my end :) |
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| 17:17.38 | JefferyM | trepan, that sould have always been in there, or is that new too? |
| 17:17.51 | trepan | it's a new check |
| 17:18.06 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, well I dunno, the HAHA and the :D are generaly used for whimsy |
| 17:18.19 | JefferyM | trepan, ahh, I don't know how usefull they could be |
| 17:18.28 | trepan | LocalPlayer::checkCollision() |
| 17:18.40 | Constitution | hurray for non-drivethru tanks! |
| 17:18.41 | JefferyM | on one hand it's kinda a interesting idea, but I don't know what the REAL use for it would be |
| 17:18.41 | trepan | don't think that it's used for anything other then MsgCollide |
| 17:19.02 | JefferyM | yeah, just trying to think what could be done if the server knows that other then the FT style game |
| 17:19.13 | JefferyM | do we send the colide message when we hit an obstacle? |
| 17:19.41 | trepan | send player updates, if DR is working, and the change is great enough |
| 17:20.09 | trepan | oh, is MsgCollide sent for tank-vs-obstacle? ... no |
| 17:20.36 | JefferyM | then yeah it's not that usefull |
| 17:20.49 | JefferyM | pull it and we can do it properly when we have server side collisions |
| 17:21.17 | JefferyM | cus any use of that message is going to need consistent behavor for both players, and with client checks I can't see that being consistent |
| 17:21.19 | trepan | good enough, already have a number of related files tainted on my side |
| 17:21.24 | trepan | ... so i'll do it |
| 17:21.27 | JefferyM | thanks |
| 17:27.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | ummm im trying to login to forums and it says im logged in then immediatley logs me back out, ideas? |
| 17:27.31 | JefferyM | coockies |
| 17:27.35 | JefferyM | cookies |
| 17:27.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks |
| 17:29.51 | blast007 | and it didn't seem to work anyway |
| 17:30.04 | blast007 | just tried driving into another tank, and nothing happened |
| 17:30.26 | JefferyM | would bumper cars be fun? |
| 17:30.34 | blast007 | not really |
| 17:30.42 | blast007 | I had a SR only server for a while |
| 17:30.43 | JefferyM | sounds like a different game |
| 17:30.46 | blast007 | and it was fun at first |
| 17:31.22 | blast007 | but then got old quick when people figured out that if you move away you didn't die, but the other one did |
| 17:31.24 | JefferyM | at least you could kill someone |
| 17:31.56 | blast007 | (I also tried -freezeTag with -rabbit, thinking it might need that... but the server crashed on join then) ;) |
| 17:32.19 | JefferyM | heh |
| 17:32.21 | blast007 | though that was a build from April |
| 17:32.25 | blast007 | but probably still crashes |
| 17:35.38 | brlcad | so this is what it's like when jeff has too much mt dew that late at night? :) |
| 17:37.19 | cygal | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/game/DirectoryNames.cxx?r1=19570&r2=19572 |
| 17:37.35 | cygal | a // TODO could have helped |
| 17:37.47 | cygal | what is exactly a module ? msdn doc does not help |
| 17:38.32 | brlcad | that's not an msdn thing, it's our code |
| 17:38.41 | trepan | bzflag/bzflag.cxx: saveStartupInfo() |
| 17:39.02 | trepan | only used in 1 place |
| 17:39.19 | cygal | brlcad: there is some windows code in the commit, and nothing for the 'else' part |
| 17:39.23 | brlcad | given the win32 code is pulling up the path to the exe, maybe for loading libs dynamic? |
| 17:39.26 | cygal | and the windows code calls GetModuleFileName |
| 17:41.05 | brlcad | module is a library |
| 17:41.18 | brlcad | so yeah, related to dynamic lib loading |
| 17:41.20 | cygal | in fact, I removed ~/.bzf, and I cannot launch 3.0 anymore, and I think this is part of the problem |
| 17:41.41 | cygal | but exePath here would be argv[0]? I don't understand what happens here |
| 17:41.55 | cygal | what does it have to do with dynamic libs? |
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| 17:42.32 | cygal | o, hai Erroneous :) |
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| 17:43.14 | Erroneous | howdy cygal |
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| 17:43.57 | blast007 | cygal: that's probably for use in conjunction with the StartBZFS application (so that it can read the location of the last used bzfs so the user doesn't have to manually locate the binary) |
| 17:44.43 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=19571 |
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| 18:52.17 | kierra | is JefferyM behaving? |
| 18:52.42 | Mets | why bzflag should never have subscriptions: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1915521 |
| 18:54.04 | blast007 | Mets: actually that's more of why BZFlag shouldn't have experience points |
| 18:55.05 | Mets | lol, that too blast |
| 19:01.12 | kierra | i knew it! |
| 19:09.16 | Constitution | oh dear... |
| 19:11.14 | bryjen | there can be only one! ;) |
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| 19:19.08 | cygal | waves hello to KingRobot and his clone, KingRobot1 :) |
| 19:19.33 | blast007 | the robot revolution has begun!! |
| 19:19.35 | KingRobot1 | waves back |
| 19:21.18 | Bulldozer | Ah, ha, there we go :) |
| 19:21.39 | Bulldozer | discovers the ghost command for nickserv |
| 19:22.02 | Constitution | ghosts Bulldozer |
| 19:22.07 | Bulldozer | lol |
| 19:23.23 | ibot | beats Constitution to within 2.54cm of his life, courtesy of bulldozer |
| 19:27.46 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20074 10/trunk/bzflag/ (37 files in 11 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:27.46 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * bumped protocol and rev |
| 19:27.46 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * removed the 'freezeTag' gameStyle, and all associated code (including MsgCollise) |
| 19:27.46 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * did a little more work on MsgPause |
| 19:27.46 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * added the bzfsAPI bz_ePlayerPauseRequestEvent event |
| 19:27.49 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * removed the custom [get|set]userdataextra() call from the lua code |
| 19:27.51 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * added lua_testudata() to lauxlib.cxx (i hear it's in the next lua rev anyways) |
| 19:28.40 | trepan | fwiw, class bz_PlayerPauseRequestData_V1 has a 'bool allow' |
| 19:30.24 | trepan | oops, should have been luaL_testudata() |
| 19:33.14 | trepan | and MsgCollide ;-) |
| 19:36.27 | me1 | ~bzflist |
| 19:36.37 | me1 | whoot |
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| 19:44.00 | JefferyM2501 | huh? |
| 19:44.20 | JefferyM2501 | michael jackson took our interwebs offline :( |
| 19:44.38 | me1 | wut? |
| 19:44.45 | JefferyM2501 | exactly |
| 19:53.13 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm pretty sure you could blame that on the boogie. |
| 19:53.28 | jcp | Is there a model of the 3.0 tank anywhere in the form of some sort of file that's not a hard-coded c++ file like 2.0 uses? |
| 19:54.20 | JefferyM2501 | yes |
| 19:54.23 | JefferyM2501 | on the wiki |
| 19:54.28 | JefferyM2501 | since it's the same tank as 2.0.x |
| 19:54.34 | jcp | what? |
| 19:54.45 | jcp | Unless I have a really outdated build of 3.0, they're totally different |
| 19:54.46 | JefferyM2501 | 3.0 uses the same tank |
| 19:54.53 | JefferyM2501 | no they arn't |
| 19:54.58 | JefferyM2501 | you probalby just have different options |
| 19:55.09 | jcp | yeah, could be |
| 19:55.21 | JefferyM2501 | you can turn the treads on in 2.0.x too |
| 19:55.27 | jcp | I just remember that the tank treads actually moved in 3.0, whereas the tank treads in 2.0 held still but the texture moved on them |
| 19:55.29 | JefferyM2501 | the defaults are different, that's for sure |
| 19:55.32 | jcp | ohh, that's probably it |
| 19:55.50 | JefferyM2501 | the same thing happens in 2.0.x, I don't belive we rotate the geometry |
| 19:55.55 | JefferyM2501 | that would be silly and look very odd |
| 19:56.04 | JefferyM2501 | now I did replace the tread texture in 3 |
| 19:56.10 | JefferyM2501 | so they are you know.. treads |
| 19:56.19 | JefferyM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.40 | trepan | wheel geometry is actually rotated |
| 19:56.56 | trepan | but tread movement has always been via texture coordinate shifting |
| 19:57.04 | JefferyM2501 | yeah |
| 19:57.22 | JefferyM2501 | it makes sense to rotate round things |
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| 19:57.36 | JefferyM2501 | making the mesh move for the tread would not be easy to compute, and would not look better IMHO |
| 19:57.49 | JefferyM2501 | unless they were seperate tread links |
| 19:58.16 | jcp | JefferyM2501: ...which they were in the version of 3.0 that I used |
| 19:58.20 | trepan | a dispacement map would be more then sufficient |
| 19:58.26 | JefferyM2501 | jcp, no they were not |
| 19:58.31 | jcp | They looked like it |
| 19:58.33 | JefferyM2501 | texure is not the same as geometry |
| 19:58.33 | trepan | (for the treads + texcoord shifting, even up close) |
| 19:58.40 | jcp | I know that |
| 19:58.46 | JefferyM2501 | jcp, that's just a different texture |
| 19:58.52 | jcp | hmm... |
| 19:58.54 | jcp | ok |
| 19:58.55 | JefferyM2501 | I changed the tread texture in 3.0 |
| 19:58.59 | JefferyM2501 | the model is the same |
| 19:59.01 | jcp | and what license is the wavefront model for the tank under? |
| 19:59.13 | JefferyM2501 | that's a good question |
| 19:59.20 | JefferyM2501 | it'll have to be lgpl |
| 19:59.24 | jcp | ok |
| 19:59.26 | JefferyM2501 | but I should note that somewhere |
| 20:00.03 | jcp | yeah |
| 20:00.07 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/models/Tank.obj: not licensed, that I can see |
| 20:00.12 | trepan | 'by Me' |
| 20:00.15 | JefferyM2501 | yeah I am fixing that |
| 20:00.24 | trepan | are you Me? :) |
| 20:00.27 | JefferyM2501 | yeah |
| 20:00.31 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6525 10/w/Tank: /* 2.0.10 and earlier */ |
| 20:00.34 | trepan | who's on first? |
| 20:00.43 | JefferyM2501 | your mom ;) |
| 20:01.04 | trepan | knows where she is, and it ain't "first" |
| 20:01.08 | JefferyM2501 | heh |
| 20:01.40 | JefferyM2501 | I don't even think that header is valid, dosn't it need a # for the comment? |
| 20:01.58 | trepan | ya, probably should |
| 20:02.16 | trepan | wonder if all importers that folks have tried simply ignore it ;-) |
| 20:04.48 | JefferyM2501 | there, that should be better |
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| 22:07.41 | Yassen | Does OpenGL do the culling or is it left to BZFlag to do it? |
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| 22:12.00 | trepan | Yassen: both do it (GL does face winding culling, BZ does sceneNode culling) |
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| 23:11.25 | spldart | Is there anyone who has figured out or can tell me otherwise why i have lots of 'PlayerAvatarManager.h No such file or directory' error's on any windows machine I try to build on? |
| 23:12.33 | JefferyM2501 | because it got moved? |
| 23:12.57 | spldart | And the solution for me would be? |
| 23:13.36 | JefferyM2501 | find out where it is |
| 23:13.43 | spldart | src/bzflag/ |
| 23:13.44 | JefferyM2501 | and add that path to whatever project can't find it |
| 23:14.12 | spldart | so this is just a problem that noone has pursued in all this time? |
| 23:14.17 | JefferyM2501 | probably |
| 23:14.20 | spldart | wow |
| 23:14.27 | spldart | ok |
| 23:14.28 | spldart | n/m |
| 23:14.46 | spldart | I need to dink with .sln's right? |
| 23:14.59 | JefferyM2501 | nope vcproj |
| 23:15.03 | spldart | ok |
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| 23:16.47 | spldart | Sry.. I've god a bad cold. Road to work and back in the rain and had a confirmation on the loss of a major client, Onkyo USA, and that I'm losing severe income. I'm cranky |
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| 23:20.48 | spldart | Well DOH! It looks right to me :( |
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| 23:23.25 | delusional | I got a bug report... client freezes on re-joining a server, without leaving first |
| 23:24.03 | delusional | freezes my mac up solid, can't get back to gdb, to give a full report. |
| 23:24.18 | cygal | how can I reproduce it? |
| 23:24.32 | cygal | I mean, I often do that, rejoining, and it works |
| 23:24.34 | delusional | force quit doesnt even work... is there a gdb key combo to force-quit? |
| 23:24.35 | cygal | which version? |
| 23:24.48 | delusional | yesterday's compile |
| 23:24.55 | delusional | err, actually, this motning |
| 23:24.59 | cygal | send SIGKILL or SIGSTOP to bzflag |
| 23:26.37 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r20075 10/trunk/bzflag/ (BUGS src/common/bzfio.cxx): only call Procs when needed for debugging. saves a lot of time. |
| 23:28.17 | cygal | a lot of time meaning getting from "game won't launch when config is deleted" to "nearly as fast as usual" |
| 23:28.36 | cygal | I hope this does not break anything. tested with -d and without it, worked fine |
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| 23:29.14 | trepan | it breaks being able to look back into the debug log "after the fact" |
| 23:29.30 | trepan | s/log/console/ |
| 23:29.36 | cygal | hm |
| 23:29.37 | trepan | no big loss |
| 23:30.00 | trepan | few people would understand anything in there anyways ;) |
| 23:30.21 | cygal | yes, I assume it would need some grepping |
| 23:30.30 | cygal | should we propose that as an option or it's really ok? |
| 23:31.45 | delusional | idunno if anyone else experiences this.... the first time you hit escape, to bring up the join menu, it takes three seconds before anything happens....... after that, it's faster. |
| 23:31.46 | spldart | woah.. sf looks diff again |
| 23:32.45 | trepan | delusional: probably font cacheing |
| 23:32.47 | temp_dist | delusional: it is the font system - it has to redraw the fonts for the new menu that it is about to display |
| 23:35.40 | delusional | well, i've got the exact same configuration as I had before, except windowed instead of full screen, and there's no freeze now |
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| 23:42.04 | delusional | Yes I can duplicate that crash... start bzfs with -world and -dddd, no other options... open client and join localhost as a tank..... rejoin server without leaving first. |
| 23:43.10 | delusional | should mention i'm running bzfs znd bzflag within gdb |
| 23:46.17 | delusional | oh, and fullscreen |
| 23:46.40 | delusional | rejoining worked fine in windowed mode |
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| 23:57.46 | spldart | Crap... now that doesn't make much sense at all... Found a file that isn't the same between my checkout and sourceforge trunk. Yet svn update isn't matching them up. I delete my checkout and start fresh and now my playeravatarmanager.h errors are gone... And this has happened to 4 windows pc's. No sense... oh well. fresh checkou8ts alll. That should crashe SF in no time. |
| 23:58.17 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20076 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added snapping feature for move, rotate and scale. |
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