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| 00:15.07 | TD-Linux | trepan, what's the purpose of noculling? |
| 00:25.29 | trepan | TD-Linux: bzw.5 man page: noculling # do not cull by face winding (double-sided) |
| 00:27.23 | TD-Linux | oh... half the vertex count then for SpazzyMcGee's meshes :) |
| 00:27.52 | SpazzyMcGee | same vertex count |
| 00:28.30 | trepan | waits a little while for that to register ... ;) |
| 00:30.00 | SpazzyMcGee | hmm? back-faces would use the same vertexes as front ones, surely? |
| 00:31.06 | SpazzyMcGee | In any case, I'm no louman yet, but I'm trying my best ;) |
| 00:31.26 | SpazzyMcGee | It's been a whole year since my last map |
| 00:31.33 | SpazzyMcGee | thought i'd come back with a bang |
| 00:32.12 | TD-Linux | sorry went to eat something :P |
| 00:32.15 | TD-Linux | yeah I fail |
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| 00:42.10 | qqqqqqqq | is I / right mouse click supposed to send the command "identiy"? |
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| 01:00.10 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20167 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: * replace tabs with two spaces for /worldinfo |
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| 01:25.29 | cmarrin_ | Does anyone know if there is somewhere you can report an "abusive" admin? |
| 01:25.54 | cmarrin_ | seems like there is plenty of reporting of abusive users, but not admins |
| 01:26.13 | Allejo | abuse admins? |
| 01:26.48 | cmarrin_ | Public map, but when I went there, they kicked me because it was a "private" game |
| 01:26.56 | cmarrin_ | and they were pretty rude about it |
| 01:27.07 | cmarrin_ | seems like a private game should not be advertised |
| 01:27.27 | Allejo | you can talk to the group owner |
| 01:27.32 | Allejo | or server owner |
| 01:27.35 | Allejo | which ever |
| 01:27.44 | cmarrin_ | that's who was kicking me. Oh well |
| 01:28.00 | cmarrin_ | I'm getting pretty disillusioned about bzflag these days |
| 01:28.03 | Allejo | but most of the time private games are public because they cant hide the server |
| 01:28.36 | cmarrin_ | yeah, I thought so |
| 01:28.39 | cmarrin_ | oh well |
| 01:28.47 | cmarrin_ | thx |
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| 01:37.18 | Allejo | is global down? |
| 01:37.53 | Allejo | oh nvm |
| 01:37.57 | JeffM | just slow |
| 01:44.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!n=wretched@*.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com] by JeffM |
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| 01:48.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | hey quick question: is the lister server having trouble? i cant get it to load at all. |
| 01:48.22 | JeffM | it is just slow |
| 01:48.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | o aha there it goes |
| 01:48.36 | mrapplecomputer1 | it took like 3 mins! |
| 01:48.54 | JeffM | bzflag has a very short timeout so it has to keep retrying |
| 01:49.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 01:49.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks jeff! |
| 01:50.11 | mrapplecomputer1 | ive also been noticing that the wiki is a little on the slow side. is this just your web host and is it always this slow? |
| 01:50.49 | JeffM | it's all slow for the same reason |
| 01:50.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | aha i see |
| 01:51.02 | JeffM | it all uses the same sql and apache |
| 01:51.09 | temp_dist | molasses in the server |
| 01:51.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol |
| 01:52.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | ive also noticed (i notice alot of things ;D) that there is a file in /usr/games called bzfquery? whats does this do? it says connection refused: line 57 |
| 01:53.35 | delusional_ | it checks the list server... i think |
| 01:53.36 | JeffM | it queries a server |
| 01:53.44 | JeffM | one does the list, one does game servers |
| 01:54.13 | JeffM | walking the the list is pretty easy these days |
| 01:54.19 | JeffM | working on making it simpler |
| 01:54.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | so like a list of players? |
| 01:54.37 | JeffM | no |
| 01:54.39 | JeffM | the list of servers |
| 01:54.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 01:54.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | but i get connection refused |
| 01:54.55 | JeffM | ok |
| 01:54.56 | JeffM | and? |
| 01:55.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | how do i fix that? :D |
| 01:55.20 | JeffM | you didn't even know what it did |
| 01:55.28 | mrapplecomputer1 | never mind i got it :D |
| 01:55.31 | JeffM | and now you want to fix it ;) |
| 01:55.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | clever |
| 01:55.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | maxPlayers: 20 |
| 01:55.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | maxShots: 10 |
| 01:55.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | team sizes: 0 0 0 0 0 0 (rogue red green blue purple observer) |
| 01:55.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | max sizes: 15 0 0 0 0 5 |
| 01:55.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | max player score: 0 |
| 01:55.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | max team score: 0 |
| 01:55.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | max time: 0 |
| 01:55.50 | JeffM | dude |
| 01:55.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | time elapsed: 0 |
| 01:55.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | Rogue team: 0 players, score: 0 (0 wins, 0 losses) |
| 01:55.53 | JeffM | comeon |
| 01:55.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | Red team: 0 players, score: 0 (0 wins, 0 losses) |
| 01:55.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | Green team: 0 players, score: 0 (0 wins, 0 losses) |
| 01:55.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | Blue team: 0 players, score: 0 (0 wins, 0 losses) |
| 01:55.59 | *** kick/#bzflag [mrapplecomputer1!n=Jeff@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JeffM (JeffM) |
| 01:56.03 | temp_dist | wow |
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| 01:56.14 | JeffM | not cool man |
| 01:56.15 | JeffM | not cool |
| 01:56.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | im really sorry. that was bad |
| 01:56.28 | JeffM | like I said, it queries a server |
| 01:56.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | i see: http://pastebin.com/d7a2d5629 |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM | yeah, we know.. and? |
| 01:57.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | and im done. sorry for bothering you all! ;) |
| 01:57.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | and happy birthday allejo! |
| 01:57.29 | JeffM | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:57.39 | JeffM | poll stats are a horrible way to get stat data |
| 01:57.43 | JeffM | they just waste bandiwth |
| 01:57.49 | Allejo | thanks |
| 01:58.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | what poll stats? |
| 01:58.19 | JeffM | that script is part of a polling stat system |
| 01:58.29 | JeffM | where it logs into a server to get it's current state |
| 01:58.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | o oops. sorry for wasting BZBandwith! |
| 01:59.13 | JeffM | you are just screwing around arn't you? |
| 01:59.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | no! im sorry. i didnt know any of this. thanks for increasing my knowledge jeff ;) |
| 02:00.14 | JeffM | well what do you want to DO with that script? |
| 02:00.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | see whats goin on on my server |
| 02:01.02 | JeffM | and display it where? |
| 02:02.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | on my screen? i dont know. im confused |
| 02:02.44 | JeffM | so you are just screwing around ;) |
| 02:03.12 | Allejo | thinks so |
| 02:03.38 | JeffM | there is nothing wrong with screwing around, but trying to make it seem like you have a plan when you are just mucking with stuff is silly |
| 02:04.03 | Allejo | wonders if jeff is always this calm... |
| 02:04.11 | JeffM | usualy |
| 02:04.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 02:04.39 | Allejo | wonders why jeff is Usually* this calm... |
| 02:04.43 | Allejo | is that better? :P |
| 02:06.51 | Mets | JeffM: do those 3.0 plugins (webadmin, HTTPServer) work with 2.0.12 by any chance, or was there a change in bzfs that was required to make them work? |
| 02:06.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | bye allllll |
| 02:07.00 | Mets | web, http, et al. |
| 02:07.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | Mets: no |
| 02:07.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok bye all! |
| 02:07.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | i think its no lets hope im right :D |
| 02:07.55 | JeffM | Mets: oh god no |
| 02:08.00 | Mets | lol |
| 02:08.07 | Mets | didn't think so, but was curious |
| 02:08.11 | JeffM | the entire bzflag connection system was redone to support them |
| 02:08.49 | JeffM | the order for the connections packets was changed for trunk, so there is no way to to do it like that in branch |
| 02:09.01 | JeffM | bzfs now works more like a http server |
| 02:09.45 | JeffM | the only way to do it in branch would be to have the plugin create a new socket and do its' own listening on a seperate port |
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| 02:18.09 | Mets | think I'll pass on that plugin, unless 3.0 is miles away |
| 02:18.24 | JeffM | how long is a mile :) |
| 02:18.39 | JeffM | there are other projects that query servers and display andmin info on web pages |
| 02:18.40 | Mets | 5280 feet I believe :) |
| 02:18.41 | Allejo | 5282 ft i believe ;) |
| 02:18.48 | JeffM | and foot is? |
| 02:18.52 | Mets | 12 inches? |
| 02:18.56 | Allejo | oh off by two :P |
| 02:18.56 | Mets | :P |
| 02:19.09 | Mets | i guess if it was a year away, it might be worth it |
| 02:19.26 | Mets | assuming I could write it fast enough |
| 02:19.30 | JeffM | if we can't ship in a year, I don't think it will ever ship |
| 02:19.35 | Mets | lol |
| 02:19.42 | Mets | did we say that last summer? |
| 02:19.50 | JeffM | yep |
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| 02:19.58 | JeffM | and it's still possible that it'll never ship ;) |
| 02:20.13 | Allejo | and there is a chance it might jeff :P |
| 02:20.32 | Mets | difference from last summer to this summer seems pretty significant though, I remember last year lagging off of thumper's test servers in about 10 seconds |
| 02:22.15 | Mets | I need to tackle exception handling and the STL, then maybe I can help with coding more |
| 02:22.51 | Mets | you were right, java -> C/C++ wasn't too big of a jump |
| 02:23.26 | JeffM | the language does not define programing, it is just one tool :0 |
| 02:23.27 | Mets | java's just too nice, eclipse writes half the program for you, then the compiler tells you all of your errors :P |
| 02:23.28 | JeffM | :) |
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| 03:23.50 | Thumper_ | Mets: that might be because I removed the lag kick |
| 03:24.39 | Thumper_ | so now it just warns and lets you stay on the server |
| 03:25.22 | Mets | Thumper_: I was literally at like 1000+ lag though, now I don't think I've cleared 400 |
| 03:25.49 | Mets | I don't think I've cleared 150 on mine, and that's in toronto, not sure where yours is |
| 03:26.33 | Thumper_ | Mets: what's your callsign in bzflag? |
| 03:26.40 | Mets | Mets |
| 03:27.30 | Mets | slow night, might as well do a 3.0 run around, you have the latest revision up thumper? |
| 03:27.42 | Thumper_ | 399ms on Apr 23 |
| 03:27.56 | Mets | is that 2009 or 2008? |
| 03:28.01 | Thumper_ | 2009 |
| 03:28.13 | Mets | heh, I said I didn't clear 400 :P |
| 03:28.25 | TD-Linux | Mets, the masterbot project put a HTTP server in a plugin at one point :P |
| 03:28.26 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 03:29.10 | Mets | thumper, if you have older logs, you can probably see my ping times from 12-18 months ago |
| 03:29.15 | Mets | I'm sure they're amusing |
| 03:29.21 | Mets | and TD-Linux, :P |
| 03:29.26 | Thumper_ | 2008-05-27 2862ms |
| 03:29.31 | Mets | lol |
| 03:29.40 | Mets | beautiful piece of connection right there |
| 03:29.44 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 03:30.07 | Thumper_ | and it was kicking back then |
| 03:30.18 | Mets | yeah I didn't last long |
| 03:30.40 | Mets | I enjoyed my norang drive-through though :P |
| 03:32.25 | Thumper_ | time for me to sleep... cya |
| 03:32.29 | Mets | later |
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| 04:04.11 | blast007 | JeffM: I atually wasn't seeing the problem with the out of order messages |
| 04:04.19 | JeffM | k |
| 04:04.20 | blast007 | I'm properly getting the motto of players that join |
| 04:04.35 | blast007 | so I'm probably gonna jump back through the revisions to see what changed |
| 04:05.03 | blast007 | cuz I was definately having it hit the handlePlayerData function before the handleAddPlayer (or whatever they are called) |
| 04:06.18 | JeffM | hmm |
| 04:06.41 | JeffM | be curious if that takes care of the thief thing too |
| 04:07.13 | blast007 | I haven't checked to see if flags on tanks are reported properly after a join |
| 04:07.19 | JeffM | k |
| 04:21.23 | qqqqqqqq | for KeyManager::get(const BzfKeyEvent& key, bool press), what makes press false? |
| 04:21.51 | JeffM | probably the key not being pressed? |
| 04:22.25 | qqqqqqqq | uhhhhhh =o |
| 04:23.02 | qqqqqqqq | there are commands like fire, restart, jump |
| 04:23.11 | qqqqqqqq | that depend on press being false |
| 04:23.20 | JeffM | ok |
| 04:23.28 | JeffM | that'd be the keyup event then |
| 04:23.41 | qqqqqqqq | ah that's what i thought |
| 04:23.45 | qqqqqqqq | but i can't replicate it |
| 04:23.58 | qqqqqqqq | at least it doesnt' seem to work when i put a breakpoint |
| 04:24.12 | qqqqqqqq | is it because it'll break as soon as it sees the keydown? |
| 04:24.16 | qqqqqqqq | and poccess that? |
| 04:25.15 | blast007 | you should put the breakpoint in a place you know it will get hit |
| 04:25.18 | JeffM | dunno off the top of my head, have to see the callers graph |
| 04:25.34 | qqqqqqqq | hmmmm |
| 04:25.39 | blast007 | just to make sure it's working at all |
| 04:26.14 | JeffM | yeah it's false on the up event |
| 04:26.21 | JeffM | and true on the down |
| 04:26.29 | JeffM | for keys, buttons, and hats |
| 04:26.41 | qqqqqqqq | i think when you do a breakpoint |
| 04:26.49 | qqqqqqqq | it stops the program as soon as the key is down |
| 04:26.57 | qqqqqqqq | and never gets to process it when it's up |
| 04:27.01 | JeffM | depends where you put yoru breakpoint ;) |
| 04:27.05 | qqqqqqqq | yeah |
| 04:27.08 | JeffM | it's tied into the event system |
| 04:27.14 | qqqqqqqq | i've been breaking pointint it in the events |
| 04:27.20 | JeffM | the key "press" abstracts the fact that it may be a key, button, or hat |
| 04:27.20 | qqqqqqqq | so it's not been working lol |
| 04:27.24 | blast007 | qqqqqqqq: set a condition on the breakpoint to only break when press == false ;) |
| 04:27.25 | JeffM | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:27.44 | qqqqqqqq | im trying to fix the bug where hitting the I key doesn't respawn you |
| 04:27.51 | JeffM | and are you in trunk or branch? |
| 04:27.57 | qqqqqqqq | trunk i think |
| 04:28.02 | qqqqqqqq | not sure what the difference is though |
| 04:28.05 | blast007 | qqqqqqqq: 2.99.x? |
| 04:28.07 | qqqqqqqq | yeah |
| 04:28.10 | JeffM | 2.0.xx vs 2.99.x |
| 04:28.13 | qqqqqqqq | ahhh |
| 04:28.19 | JeffM | you want guiplayer.cxx then |
| 04:28.25 | qqqqqqqq | yeah im messing around in that |
| 04:28.27 | JeffM | find the BzfEvent stuff |
| 04:28.44 | JeffM | that's where platform sends in the key events to the key handler, then key handler maps them to command handlers |
| 04:28.54 | qqqqqqqq | press is false when you right click to respawn |
| 04:29.08 | qqqqqqqq | so it works =o |
| 04:29.39 | JeffM | in your config, is I bound to keyup or keydown? |
| 04:29.51 | qqqqqqqq | yeah, the keyhandler is in KeyManager right? |
| 04:29.55 | qqqqqqqq | for restart? |
| 04:29.58 | JeffM | yes |
| 04:30.01 | qqqqqqqq | keyup |
| 04:30.04 | qqqqqqqq | keydown is identify |
| 04:30.47 | JeffM | then you want a breakpoint at BzfEvent::KeyUp |
| 04:30.55 | qqqqqqqq | oooh didn't think of that |
| 04:31.08 | qqqqqqqq | i'm not very familiar with events =/ |
| 04:31.13 | qqqqqqqq | i need to learn more about them later |
| 04:31.20 | JeffM | it's just a switch statement |
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| 05:19.13 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20168 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/schema/ (current_players.sql current_servers.sql): tables for current servers and players. |
| 05:53.24 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20169 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ComposeDefaultKey.cxx: |
| 05:53.24 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * added a custom AutoCompleter for local variables (triggered by /localset) |
| 05:53.24 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * fixed the initial partial completion display |
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| 06:39.05 | Crallion | Where can I get the 2.0.10 source? The 2.0.12 isn't working well for me. |
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| 12:59.45 | dexter- | hey, any way of receiving a notification under the MOTD that there is a PM waiting at the forums? |
| 12:59.51 | dexter- | I remember that being there a year ago or so |
| 13:01.00 | brad | blast mentioned it was removed when phpbb was upgraded, and probably won't return! |
| 13:01.33 | dexter- | oh, bummer |
| 13:02.28 | cygal | use the mail notification from phpbb |
| 13:02.32 | cygal | and get a mail notifier |
| 13:03.23 | dexter- | not that samee |
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| 13:46.52 | Mets | mm yeah I asked blast the same thing, he said it's deprecated |
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| 15:09.28 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20170 10/trunk/bzflag/ (9 files in 7 dirs): |
| 15:09.28 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * bumped protocol and rev |
| 15:09.28 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * sent BzMaterial aliases over the wire |
| 15:09.28 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: (this fixes the case where identical materials with different names override |
| 15:09.28 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: one another, such that some of the materials are not visible client-side) |
| 15:09.30 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: * added the lua bz.SendPlayerVariables() call-out |
| 15:09.47 | dexter- | so the hit-zones have been changed in 3.0? |
| 15:09.55 | trepan | yes |
| 15:10.02 | dexter- | they seem..smaller |
| 15:10.10 | trepan | configurable |
| 15:10.24 | dexter- | can they configured to resemble the current ones? |
| 15:10.37 | trepan | no, box vs. sphere |
| 15:11.14 | dexter- | has there been some thought, as to how this will work with pro-players? |
| 15:12.04 | dexter- | i mean, i hope the hitzones can still be made something as big as to what they are now. even with the current sphere's it very difficult to hit somebody with lag who knows what they're doing |
| 15:12.49 | trepan | "_tankShotProximity", "0.25 0.35 0.25" |
| 15:12.56 | trepan | x/y/z padding |
| 15:13.07 | trepan | (just top Z though, no padding for the bottom) |
| 15:15.33 | dexter- | oh..well top is not very crucial is it, if you're trying to hit somebody who's on the ground |
| 15:18.39 | trepan | nor is X padding important if you're head-to-head with the enemy tank |
| 15:18.49 | dexter- | not the case when somebody is dodging |
| 15:19.26 | trepan | and being on the ground is not the case when someone is jumping/falling |
| 15:19.40 | trepan | so let's try to keep an open mind, shall we? :) |
| 15:20.11 | dexter- | well, i'm probably just worried about changes in regards to league game-play |
| 15:20.20 | dexter- | but everything can be adjusted if it doesn't work out, i guess |
| 15:20.36 | trepan | depends on which league |
| 15:20.40 | dexter- | GU. |
| 15:20.43 | dexter- | or ducati |
| 15:20.49 | trepan | GU has jumping, no? |
| 15:20.49 | dexter- | or pillbox |
| 15:21.10 | dexter- | hitzones are less relevant with jumping. dodging is what matters |
| 15:21.21 | dexter- | i mean, suddenly the angle is not irrelevant anymore, from where you're shooting |
| 15:21.25 | dexter- | that was the nice thing about spheres |
| 15:21.59 | dexter- | and I mean, maps have been adjusted to tank hitzones. even GU |
| 15:22.34 | trepan | some maps may need to be tweaked |
| 15:22.52 | dexter- | just saying, tanks on the ramps will have a lot more space to dodge, completely changes things |
| 15:23.22 | trepan | unless you bump up the padding |
| 15:23.30 | trepan | they might have less space |
| 15:23.41 | dexter- | and trepan: while dodging, he attacker is usually immobile and just turning, while the other tank is driving backwards and forwards, X padding would be very important |
| 15:23.48 | dexter- | yes, that'll be an option |
| 15:24.26 | dexter- | also another question: you know how shots go through the bases and cat-walks? is there a way to keep it that way? |
| 15:24.35 | trepan | my statement about X padding was very specific |
| 15:25.04 | trepan | dexter-: i've already discussed the pass-through shots with some GU player |
| 15:25.17 | trepan | should be able to do it with mesh face links |
| 15:26.29 | trepan | personalized greeting map: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/hello.bzw |
| 15:27.18 | dexter- | well, no use talking about things at this stage. we'll have to wait for a RC and then have a get-together with the gu players. then it'll be quite obvious what changes will need to happen and which aren't such a big problem. :) |
| 15:28.25 | trepan | you do that ;) |
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| 15:30.57 | dexter- | there's always the option of stayng with 2.0 hehe |
| 15:30.58 | trepan | note that bzdb.SendPlayerVariables() should not be used for simulation related variables, ex: _shotSpeed, _reloadTime, etc... |
| 15:33.45 | trepan | dexter-: i think i've heard that for every release of bzflag that i've witnessed |
| 15:34.11 | dexter- | well, i'm not sure a release has so drastically changed the circumstances of league play yet |
| 15:35.08 | trepan | square vs. circle, it's riotous |
| 15:35.24 | dexter- | not like that's the only change |
| 15:36.12 | dexter- | we'll see, i'm optimistic about it and not going to critize things that haven't been set in stone |
| 15:37.35 | cygal | dexter-: I still remember you request about some kind of backport but it was not easy and 3.0RC is coming soon |
| 15:37.50 | trepan | but when you do make comments (ex: "tanks on the ramps will have a lot more space to dodge, completely"), it's better to be accurate |
| 15:38.01 | dexter- | oh that's right, cygal. completely forgot :) |
| 15:38.05 | trepan | throw a caveat in regarding "default settings" ;) |
| 15:38.26 | dexter- | I'm talkign about default settings! :) |
| 15:39.16 | dexter- | will texturing work differently? |
| 15:39.29 | trepan | you might want to read over the past couple of pages, scan for the word "default" |
| 15:39.32 | dexter- | i only use custom textures.. |
| 15:41.26 | trepan | texturing still uses OpenGL, "custom" textures still use URLs |
| 15:41.48 | trepan | (unless by custom you mean local custom texture replacements) |
| 15:42.43 | dexter- | i mean, local custom textures |
| 15:42.50 | dexter- | the default client textures |
| 15:43.46 | trepan | they've been renamed into a hierarchical structure, ex: skins/red/tank.png |
| 15:43.59 | dexter- | nice |
| 15:44.14 | dexter- | my folder contains like..10 different versions to each textures |
| 15:44.17 | dexter- | kind of a mess |
| 15:44.21 | dexter- | the files themselves are still compatible? |
| 15:44.29 | trepan | try it |
| 15:46.31 | dexter- | will do |
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| 15:57.46 | cygal | trepan: can I consider that the sigpipes are not bugs? |
| 16:07.01 | trepan | sure |
| 16:07.56 | trepan | (heh, do I get a mentor T-shirt now? :) |
| 16:11.07 | _anomaly_ | dexter: local custom textures work the same as 2.0, just a different directory structure |
| 16:11.54 | cygal | (what, there are no dev shirts? :) |
| 16:12.16 | cygal | _anomaly_: dexter left :) |
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| 16:12.39 | _anomaly_ | yeah, just noticed that, off to try the textures I guess |
| 16:13.16 | _anomaly_ | (i could try actually reading this stuff...) |
| 16:23.28 | brlcad | cygal: heh |
| 16:24.05 | brlcad | i'm sure we could get trepan sent a shirt .. :) |
| 16:24.48 | cygal | he would deserve it :) |
| 16:25.06 | cygal | ah trepan, did you find something to fix the libtool.m4 problem? I revert the file everytime I run autogen.sh |
| 16:25.35 | brlcad | cygal: I saw your note about that -- can you send me a verbose autogen log |
| 16:26.28 | brlcad | the first I've heard an autotool attempting to override an app-provided m4 |
| 16:26.50 | cygal | sure, incoming |
| 16:27.04 | brlcad | i'd call that defective behavior myself, it should be messing with a projects m4 dir |
| 16:27.16 | brlcad | something autogen.sh could protect for certain |
| 16:29.04 | cygal | http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/128782/ or http://paste.pocoo.org/show/128782/ |
| 16:30.29 | cygal | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/128783/ diff |
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| 16:31.37 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r20171 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: update BUGS to remove two of them |
| 16:40.06 | brlcad | wow, bad libtoolize |
| 16:40.54 | brlcad | ahhhh |
| 16:41.01 | brlcad | perhaps coincidental |
| 16:41.38 | brlcad | I think they're just writing to an m4 directory in the aux dir and we just happen to have an m4 dir already, so it clobbers |
| 16:41.51 | brlcad | cygal: try setting AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR to misc |
| 16:41.57 | brlcad | thought we already did that |
| 16:42.10 | brlcad | hm, we do |
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| 16:46.22 | cygal | trepan: you left printf()s in the code, do you still need them? |
| 16:46.27 | cygal | (for pause) |
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| 16:48.23 | brlcad | looks like AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR was added in 2006, hm |
| 16:49.22 | dexter- | cygal: is the implemenation i was talking about trivial in 3.0? |
| 16:50.26 | cygal | what was it exactly? you sent me an old diff, but I don't remember what I had to do with it |
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| 17:08.57 | dexter- | cygal: was an auto-hunt feature |
| 17:09.16 | dexter- | having a list a players that you automatically hunt, as soon as the client sees them on the server |
| 17:10.24 | JefferyM | that seems kind of mean |
| 17:10.39 | JefferyM | is that something that it does now? or somethign you want to add? |
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| 17:12.05 | _WarPig_ | Would be nice to auto-hunt players that pick up a certain flag, eg 'G'. |
| 17:12.14 | JefferyM | that's extra mean |
| 17:13.03 | JefferyM | we don't want to make the BZFlag TSA edition |
| 17:13.38 | _WarPig_ | googles TSA |
| 17:13.54 | _WarPig_ | 'Tourettes Syndrome Association'? |
| 17:13.59 | JefferyM | ever gone on an airplane in the united states? |
| 17:14.04 | Bambino | airport securyty IIRC |
| 17:14.13 | JefferyM | if you use twezers you are a terrorist |
| 17:14.17 | Bambino | security** |
| 17:14.27 | _WarPig_ | been there - done that. |
| 17:14.48 | JefferyM | hunting someone is a VERY personal act |
| 17:14.58 | JefferyM | it's not something that we want to turn into a gameplay mechanic |
| 17:15.09 | JefferyM | other the the gameplay mode where you are suposed to hunt rabbits |
| 17:15.45 | _WarPig_ | I hunt everyone by default, cause I like the music. |
| 17:15.59 | JefferyM | hunting in game based on actions in that game makes some sense, "that guy is the flag runner, I want to track him" |
| 17:16.09 | Bambino | question: is it possible to highlight flags on the score board, like G. I know about /highlight |
| 17:16.34 | JefferyM | but making it so you auto hunt people on join, with out knowing the role they play in that specific game is just a way of harrasing them. |
| 17:16.48 | _WarPig_ | I agree with that. |
| 17:17.08 | JefferyM | this kind of mod is what should be left to client side scripting, not built in features |
| 17:17.27 | dexter- | JefferyM: has nothing to do with being mean. it has to do with the fact that in league matches i always hunt specific teamplayers or opponents for orientation |
| 17:17.37 | dexter- | not for public server play |
| 17:17.42 | dexter- | nothing mean-spirited |
| 17:18.02 | JefferyM | then if it's leauge specific, it should be a leauge specific client side script |
| 17:18.05 | JefferyM | not a global feature |
| 17:18.14 | JefferyM | the features we add should be viable for EVERYONE |
| 17:18.14 | dexter- | well, it could prove useful on a public server too |
| 17:18.23 | dexter- | not like hunting somebody is wrong |
| 17:18.30 | JefferyM | it would be abbused more then it would be useful |
| 17:18.38 | dexter- | abused how? |
| 17:18.39 | JefferyM | it's a mod for a very specific type of play |
| 17:18.41 | Bambino | I hunt geno wh0res |
| 17:18.49 | JefferyM | lets say I hate you dexter- |
| 17:18.55 | JefferyM | and I want to kill you every time I see you |
| 17:18.58 | Bambino | heh.. |
| 17:18.59 | JefferyM | has nothing to do wiht the game |
| 17:19.09 | JefferyM | so I add you to my autho hunt and just kill you when I see you |
| 17:19.20 | JefferyM | now I have this cool tool that tells me when you are on a server |
| 17:19.50 | JefferyM | for your leauge, I say have a hunt plugin that sets the hunts based on registered team rosters |
| 17:20.04 | JefferyM | or a mode that uses hud markers on everyone |
| 17:20.18 | JefferyM | but letting the people keep a list based on callsign, that's just silly |
| 17:20.31 | JefferyM | for leauge play, you want it based off bzid, not name anyway |
| 17:20.46 | JefferyM | and what if someone changes teams, you don't want everyone to have to manualy update lists |
| 17:21.15 | JefferyM | was auto hunted added to 2.99? or are you asking for it to be added? |
| 17:22.44 | dexter- | JefferyM: i had a talk with cygal months ago about it MAYBE being added in 2.0.12 as a backport, but that's out of the question now |
| 17:22.55 | dexter- | i'd be happy to help add that for 2.99 |
| 17:23.00 | JefferyM | no no |
| 17:23.03 | JefferyM | it will be nether |
| 17:23.09 | dexter- | ok |
| 17:23.14 | JefferyM | we need cygal to concentrate on bugs |
| 17:23.16 | JefferyM | big time |
| 17:23.21 | JefferyM | not features or backports |
| 17:23.22 | dexter- | he doesn't have to do it :) |
| 17:23.25 | JefferyM | I know |
| 17:23.41 | JefferyM | and I'm asking you not to bug him while he's working for backports ;) |
| 17:23.52 | dexter- | ! that was months ago |
| 17:24.06 | dexter- | i haven't bugged him - and will continue not to do so :) |
| 17:24.07 | JefferyM | tho it would not be a backport if it's not in 2.99 now |
| 17:24.11 | JefferyM | k |
| 17:24.20 | dexter- | well, perhaps the gu league will be able to make their own league patch |
| 17:24.43 | JefferyM | this is where client side scripting would be handy, you could have a set of leauge approved scripts |
| 17:24.51 | dexter- | ya |
| 17:25.32 | dexter- | along with a lot of other stuff - oh well |
| 17:25.32 | dexter- | patches will have to do |
| 17:25.46 | dexter- | JefferyM: that's fine by license right? making a specific gu league patch that players are obliged to use |
| 17:25.51 | dexter- | (in order to play in the league) |
| 17:25.56 | JefferyM | sure |
| 17:26.12 | JefferyM | the license dosn't realy care what you do |
| 17:26.30 | dexter- | funny - everyone's always been saying the devs are the lazy ones. |
| 17:26.31 | JefferyM | as long as you make the sources avaiable if you also release binarys |
| 17:26.37 | dexter- | really, a patch like that could've been written YEARS ago |
| 17:26.59 | JefferyM | people that like to complain rarely like to work |
| 17:27.04 | JefferyM | that is just human nature |
| 17:27.23 | dexter- | and of course the people who are willing to do stuff do not have the.. 'authorization' |
| 17:27.28 | dexter- | or status, whatever it is :) |
| 17:27.34 | JefferyM | the what? |
| 17:27.53 | dexter- | well, the league tend not to want help from non-admins |
| 17:27.55 | dexter- | is what I'm saying |
| 17:28.21 | JefferyM | that dosn't mean the people who want to make changes can't make them |
| 17:28.53 | dexter- | yeah. actually showing them something concrete might bring about different opinions |
| 17:29.22 | dexter- | we'll see what the next RC holds in store - then stuff can start happening on league side |
| 17:30.01 | bryjen | i seem to recall someone (trepan?) adding an "hunt/highlight anyone with flag X" feature |
| 17:30.06 | JefferyM | it will not be a major change from the code right now |
| 17:30.26 | dexter- | JefferyM: it's hard getting people to compile a client |
| 17:30.44 | dexter- | bryjen: yea, years ago |
| 17:31.19 | JefferyM | then making patches for you would be pointless, as they would have to compile them in ;) |
| 17:31.30 | dexter- | well, for the admins to see |
| 17:31.38 | dexter- | then make binaries |
| 17:31.51 | JefferyM | ok, then do that now with the current code ;) |
| 17:31.57 | dexter- | true |
| 17:32.07 | JefferyM | if the people doing the dev will have to build, who cares where the code comes from |
| 17:32.29 | dexter- | what happened to that patch, that let you set console/radar size individually? |
| 17:32.35 | dexter- | Foo wrote it, iirc |
| 17:32.39 | JefferyM | it was not applied |
| 17:32.41 | dexter- | any reason it's not in the main code? |
| 17:32.48 | JefferyM | yeah, we didn't want it |
| 17:32.49 | dexter- | lack of approval? |
| 17:32.59 | JefferyM | it was not the way we wanted to go with the hud |
| 17:33.42 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: bzwb seems to be parsing the bzw file in multiple passes right now, I think if it was modified to parse sequentially it would be much faster (it would also fix various other problems with parsing bzw files) |
| 17:33.49 | JefferyM | at some point I would like the hud to be defined by a script on the client side, then it can be fully customsized |
| 17:34.01 | JefferyM | Will07c5, ok |
| 17:34.07 | JefferyM | how hard do you think it is to fix? |
| 17:34.59 | Will07c5 | well it would require a lot of modification to the parser but I think it is worth it |
| 17:35.15 | JefferyM | how long do you think it'll take you? |
| 17:35.36 | Will07c5 | well if I work fast at least the rest of the week |
| 17:35.49 | Will07c5 | but not much longer I think |
| 17:35.52 | JefferyM | ok |
| 17:36.06 | JefferyM | I'm more concerend about the other bugs it'll fix rather then the speed of reading amap |
| 17:36.13 | JefferyM | reading only happens when you start a session |
| 17:36.15 | JefferyM | so it can take a bit |
| 17:36.27 | JefferyM | it's the per frame stuff that we want to make fast |
| 17:36.34 | JefferyM | so look more for stability then speed :) |
| 17:38.18 | Will07c5 | well I might be able to get the bugs fixed in the parser as it is, but it is kind of a mess right now |
| 17:39.58 | cygal | "fonts are blurry when window is small" <- is this a bug? should there be a leser limit to the font size? |
| 17:40.26 | JefferyM | I'll trust your judgement Will07c5 I'm just poiting out what I think is important :) |
| 17:40.28 | cygal | (which would mean adding scrolling to all pages) |
| 17:40.40 | JefferyM | cygal, there should be a minimum size to the window |
| 17:40.44 | JefferyM | and that will make a min size |
| 17:40.53 | JefferyM | I do think that the current fonts are too small at small sizes |
| 17:41.08 | JefferyM | do -window 800x600 and open the key binding menu |
| 17:41.12 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: yeah I was just trying to give more information :) |
| 17:41.15 | JefferyM | we should bump those up a point or 2 |
| 17:41.35 | JefferyM | I don't think 3.0 needs to look great on anyhing less then 800x600 |
| 17:41.52 | JefferyM | I'd be even happy with 1024x768 as a min, but I don't think we can get away with that just yet |
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| 17:43.58 | BulletCatcher | There should be no need to enforce a minimum window size. Just ensure that fonts are readable at 800x600 or something, and anyone who chooses a smaller size will have to deal with it. |
| 17:44.05 | cygal | http://cygal.info/tmp/fonts.png is it that bad? |
| 17:44.32 | cygal | the bug item shows a 640x480 image: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzfi1005.png |
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| 17:44.58 | cygal | BulletCatcher: agreed |
| 17:45.16 | BulletCatcher | It should be okay to decide at this time that 800x600 is the minimum size we care about. |
| 17:45.21 | JefferyM | yeah I didn't mean set a fixed limit |
| 17:45.43 | JefferyM | I think the "small" fonts are just a bit too small |
| 17:45.51 | JefferyM | I'd bump them up a point and see how they look |
| 17:46.18 | JefferyM | or maybe we just have too much stuff on that menu |
| 17:47.10 | Crallion | What is the current SVN? |
| 17:47.19 | cygal | does not understand half of it |
| 17:47.39 | JefferyM | Crallion, there is a wiki page for SVN, it has all the info you need |
| 17:47.43 | Crallion | Is it 2.0.12? |
| 17:47.57 | JefferyM | ok, what exactly are you asking? |
| 17:48.05 | _WarPig_ | 20172 |
| 17:48.12 | JefferyM | what the trunk in SVN is? or how to get 2.0.x from SVN? |
| 17:48.17 | JefferyM | SVN contains many versions |
| 17:48.31 | Crallion | I can't compile the latest trunk SVN |
| 17:48.31 | JefferyM | the current development line is 2.99x |
| 17:48.37 | JefferyM | that's 2.99 |
| 17:48.41 | Crallion | for 2.0.x |
| 17:48.44 | JefferyM | it will be released as 3.0 |
| 17:48.48 | JefferyM | so that's not trunk |
| 17:48.50 | JefferyM | that's branch |
| 17:48.56 | Crallion | Yes |
| 17:49.00 | JefferyM | 2.0.x is in the 2_0branch in SVN |
| 17:49.15 | JefferyM | what svn url did you use to get the code? |
| 17:49.17 | bryjen | looks like the key mapping menu was trying to keep the menu text from overlapping the message console. the older menus generally do not. the newer ones (gui & effects) do. |
| 17:49.28 | Crallion | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ |
| 17:49.36 | JefferyM | ok, so that is not trunk |
| 17:49.40 | JefferyM | that's branch |
| 17:49.48 | Crallion | No, its not |
| 17:49.48 | JefferyM | what OS are you trying to build it on? |
| 17:49.53 | Crallion | OS X |
| 17:49.57 | JefferyM | yes it is, see the word "branches" in there |
| 17:50.17 | JefferyM | the OSX binary we released won't work for you? |
| 17:50.22 | Crallion | I know, I was agreeing with you... No it's not trunk |
| 17:50.37 | Crallion | I want to build my own |
| 17:50.41 | JefferyM | why? |
| 17:50.49 | JefferyM | it is not a trivial task |
| 17:50.55 | JefferyM | specialy in branch |
| 17:50.58 | Crallion | Change the colors, fonts, etc. |
| 17:51.14 | Pimpinella | edit your config |
| 17:51.17 | JefferyM | well did you install the requirements? SDL framework, compiler, etc..? |
| 17:51.26 | JefferyM | you can't change fonts in branch anyway |
| 17:51.39 | JefferyM | it dosn't use system fonts |
| 17:52.01 | Crallion | I have compiled within the past week and it worked, then I up SVN and it doesn't work |
| 17:52.10 | JefferyM | branch hasn't changed |
| 17:52.18 | JefferyM | we are no longer working on it |
| 17:52.31 | JefferyM | so what did you change on your system? |
| 17:53.18 | Pimpinella | Crallion: and did you try cleaning up before building again? |
| 17:53.30 | _WarPig_ | make distclean |
| 17:53.42 | JefferyM | you generaly don't need to do that for a rebuild |
| 17:53.52 | Pimpinella | JefferyM: in theory |
| 17:53.54 | cygal | especially if nothing changed :) |
| 17:54.15 | JefferyM | when you did a svn up, did it list any changed files? |
| 17:55.06 | JefferyM | the last thing changed in branch was svn props, I doubt that would break a build |
| 17:55.56 | Crallion | Ok, I didn't up, I just checked it out again |
| 17:56.11 | JefferyM | into the same folder? |
| 17:56.20 | JefferyM | or into a new folder? |
| 17:56.23 | Crallion | No, new |
| 17:56.36 | JefferyM | are you building with xcode or command line? |
| 17:57.21 | Crallion | The problem when I build it now is that I open the builds folder and it says "BZFlag is not supported on this architecture" |
| 17:57.32 | JefferyM | are you building with xcode or command line? |
| 17:57.40 | Crallion | You mean through command line? |
| 17:57.45 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:57.55 | Crallion | Yes, I use Terminal |
| 17:58.05 | JefferyM | if so, did autogen or configure give you any errors? |
| 17:59.01 | Crallion | No, except that autogen found glibtool intead of libtool, but it said that would work |
| 17:59.13 | JefferyM | did that happen last time? |
| 17:59.16 | Crallion | Yes |
| 17:59.31 | JefferyM | is this a PPC mac or an intel mac? |
| 17:59.43 | Crallion | No idea |
| 17:59.52 | JefferyM | what mac is it? |
| 17:59.57 | Crallion | macbook |
| 18:00.06 | Crallion | pro |
| 18:00.10 | JefferyM | then it's intel |
| 18:00.14 | Crallion | ok |
| 18:00.21 | JefferyM | well you did something different then last time |
| 18:01.03 | Crallion | nope, exactly the same... though the second source had the folder contents in different places |
| 18:01.17 | JefferyM | you sure you checked out branch again? |
| 18:01.24 | Crallion | Yes |
| 18:01.27 | JefferyM | cus the source code didn't change on the SVN server |
| 18:01.33 | JefferyM | the last code change was 5 months ago |
| 18:01.35 | Crallion | I have to go, sorry |
| 18:09.07 | trepan | cygal: ya, not done yet |
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| 18:11.43 | trepan | bryjen: see the top of AutoHunt.cxx |
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| 18:12.43 | trepan | it ain't pretty ;) |
| 18:44.57 | *** part/#bzflag dexter- (n=Adium@bzflag/player/Dexter) |
| 19:11.38 | Crallion | Any other ideas? |
| 19:16.21 | cygal | well, what's the error? |
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| 19:25.28 | Crallion | Its says that 6 parts of the build failed |
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| 19:26.14 | catay | ~pastebin |
| 19:26.15 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 19:26.35 | catay | Crallion: paste your output somewhere there |
| 19:28.26 | Crallion | Well then I have to try a build right now |
| 19:36.11 | Crallion | http://pastebin.com/d287a87a5 |
| 19:36.23 | Crallion | That is the last part of the outout |
| 19:36.36 | Crallion | *output |
| 19:40.09 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20173 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/schema/ (current_servers.sql database.sql): consolidate schema into a single db |
| 19:40.20 | catay | ah OSX , not experience with it |
| 19:40.24 | catay | no* |
| 19:40.37 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20174 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/schema/ (current_players.sql log.sql): remove old schema |
| 19:42.48 | Crallion | hmmmm |
| 19:43.12 | catay | but I suspect there is a bit more output no that shows the error? |
| 19:43.37 | Crallion | What do you mean? |
| 19:43.50 | catay | the above the one you pasted |
| 19:44.03 | catay | ok. my typing is not really good today :p |
| 19:44.11 | catay | the output above the one you pasted |
| 19:44.39 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20175 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/test/ (. index.php): test page.. for testing. |
| 19:44.42 | temp_work | Crallion, that pastebin doesn't really show any errors - could you find were it actually says what the errors are? |
| 19:45.10 | JefferyM | what you pasted is just a note saying there were errors, not what they are |
| 19:46.10 | Crallion | http://pastebin.com/d59e82f9a |
| 19:46.19 | Crallion | full output of command line |
| 19:46.42 | JefferyM | gcc-4.0: -E, -S, -save-temps and -M options are not allowed with multiple -arch flags |
| 19:47.00 | JefferyM | that's your first real error |
| 19:47.04 | JefferyM | it's not building ares |
| 19:47.14 | Crallion | What do I do about that? |
| 19:47.21 | JefferyM | not sure how you got that |
| 19:47.27 | Crallion | Neither am I |
| 19:47.32 | JefferyM | did you run autogen.sh and configure? |
| 19:47.32 | Crallion | yes |
| 19:47.39 | Crallion | cd bzflag |
| 19:47.42 | JefferyM | what version of the OS is this? |
| 19:47.47 | Crallion | ./autogen.sh |
| 19:48.26 | Crallion | 10.5.7 |
| 19:48.38 | Crallion | Mac OS X |
| 19:50.45 | JefferyM | dunno, it's like it's trying to do a universal build |
| 19:52.04 | Crallion | This is exactly what I did: |
| 19:52.08 | Crallion | cd bzflag |
| 19:52.17 | Crallion | ./autogen.sh |
| 19:52.24 | Crallion | ./configure |
| 19:52.31 | Crallion | xcodebuild |
| 19:52.53 | Crallion | Thats it. Thats what I did when it worked and what I've been trying |
| 19:54.17 | JefferyM | oh |
| 19:54.23 | JefferyM | just do make |
| 19:54.25 | JefferyM | not xcodebuild |
| 19:54.29 | Crallion | ok... |
| 19:54.44 | Crallion | I think I've tried that, but I'll try again |
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| 19:58.25 | temp_work | that's what I do on OSX - autogen - configure - make |
| 20:01.57 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20176 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/ (index.php log.php): split longing functions into separate file since they are mostly atomic. |
| 20:05.04 | Crallion | Still doesn't work... |
| 20:05.05 | Crallion | http://pastebin.com/d45c58410 |
| 20:05.12 | Crallion | That's the output |
| 20:06.29 | Crallion | When I go into bzflag/uilds/Default, the BZFlag icon has a Do not enter thing on it and when I click it it says |
| 20:07.21 | brlcad | so I'm on FLOSS weekly here in a little bit -- if folks have anything they want to make sure I say or ask, let me know |
| 20:07.50 | catay | have fun brlcad :) |
| 20:07.58 | Crallion | You can't open the application "BZFlag" because it is not supported on this architecture |
| 20:08.08 | brlcad | catay: hopefully! |
| 20:08.08 | Crallion | thats what it says |
| 20:09.04 | JefferyM | that is why building on the mac is mystic sorcery ;) |
| 20:10.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:10.14 | JefferyM | trunk is better |
| 20:10.24 | JefferyM | but branch involves incantations by the brlcad |
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| 20:11.01 | JefferyM | brlcad, tell em Z is up |
| 20:11.05 | JefferyM | damnit |
| 20:11.28 | brlcad | heh, k :) |
| 20:12.16 | Crallion | Thats not helpful :D |
| 20:12.20 | JefferyM | when you get back I'll need a vhost |
| 20:12.32 | JefferyM | Crallion, are you kidding, Z is up is very helpfull :) |
| 20:12.42 | JefferyM | as for your problem, we can not solve all of them for you |
| 20:12.56 | JefferyM | that's part of the nature of development, solving problems |
| 20:13.08 | Crallion | oh, I thought you were God |
| 20:13.24 | JefferyM | you are using our older build system, not many people are that familiar with it anym ore |
| 20:13.27 | JefferyM | and it's older code |
| 20:14.01 | Crallion | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.02 | JefferyM | something is telling it to build for more then one arch and its' getting screwed up. my gut says something to do with trying to build a universal |
| 20:14.09 | JefferyM | branch is old code |
| 20:14.16 | JefferyM | we stoped active development on it long ago |
| 20:15.10 | Crallion | JefferyM: So where is the stuff that you ARE developing? |
| 20:15.15 | JefferyM | in trunk |
| 20:15.26 | JefferyM | trunk/bzflag |
| 20:15.31 | JefferyM | that's 2.99.x |
| 20:15.37 | JefferyM | it will be released as 3.0 |
| 20:15.43 | Crallion | but there are no servers in 2.99 |
| 20:15.50 | JefferyM | there are |
| 20:15.54 | JefferyM | but only a few |
| 20:16.11 | Crallion | Not on my build |
| 20:16.18 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 20:16.39 | JefferyM | oh you have an old premade bin for 2.99? |
| 20:16.53 | JefferyM | yeah we change protcoll a lot in development, and the test servers we have move up to that version |
| 20:16.55 | Crallion | I downloaded a 2.99.x binary |
| 20:16.57 | JefferyM | old versions don't show them |
| 20:17.01 | Crallion | ok |
| 20:17.05 | JefferyM | it's development, you have to build it often |
| 20:17.11 | Crallion | I make a 2.99 build |
| 20:17.24 | Crallion | cu later, my gf is calling me |
| 20:17.34 | JefferyM | of course she is |
| 20:17.41 | Crallion | no, she not... |
| 20:17.48 | Crallion | Why did you just lie? |
| 20:17.54 | JefferyM | pardon? |
| 20:17.59 | Crallion | :D |
| 20:18.13 | JefferyM | you are rather odd |
| 20:18.13 | Crallion | you said she is... shes not |
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| 20:18.27 | JefferyM | because you said she was |
| 20:18.32 | Crallion | Thank you, I won't be here all week |
| 20:18.45 | JefferyM | I'm sure we'll find a way to get by |
| 20:18.59 | Crallion | I was just pointing out that sarcasm is a hard thing to achieve on a chat client |
| 20:19.06 | JefferyM | we are well aware of that |
| 20:19.32 | trepan | Crallion: you're kidding? |
| 20:19.38 | Crallion | I know, yet you were trying |
| 20:19.44 | Crallion | About what? |
| 20:20.37 | trepan | and your point is proven :) |
| 20:20.47 | JefferyM | ramalamadingdong |
| 20:20.54 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/lobbylist.jpg |
| 20:21.16 | trepan | using: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/lobby.bzw & http://trepan.bzflag.bz/lobby.lua |
| 20:21.46 | trepan | (rigged for BZFS0026, not much to see otherwise ...) |
| 20:21.57 | Crallion | What is that? |
| 20:22.23 | trepan | the current server listing, in a bz world (updates every 2 seconds) |
| 20:22.39 | Crallion | Cool |
| 20:23.03 | Crallion | And what is "ramalamadingdong"? |
| 20:23.10 | JefferyM | letters |
| 20:23.13 | trepan | tied to face links and MsgJoinServer, and you've got a crappy lobby ;) |
| 20:23.24 | JefferyM | that all done serverside or with clietn lua? |
| 20:23.31 | trepan | server-side |
| 20:23.32 | JefferyM | client even |
| 20:23.36 | JefferyM | fun |
| 20:24.12 | Crallion | Now I really gotta go... |
| 20:24.35 | brlcad | so major features in 3.0, feel free to chime in if I miss anything |
| 20:24.47 | JefferyM | autoporn |
| 20:25.08 | brlcad | massive server-side state management, new auth daemon and user accounting, improve graphics of course, improved plugin system, |
| 20:25.16 | JefferyM | I would not call it massive |
| 20:25.19 | JefferyM | not in the least |
| 20:25.23 | trepan | nor i |
| 20:25.29 | JefferyM | auth won't be done for 3 |
| 20:25.30 | brlcad | serverside lua plugins, new serverlist menu, programmable ai bots |
| 20:25.34 | trepan | trivial would have been closer to what i was thinking ;-) |
| 20:25.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:25.40 | JefferyM | nor will bots |
| 20:26.02 | JefferyM | like 3 things got moved server side, that's it |
| 20:26.04 | trepan | graphics are pretty much the same too |
| 20:26.05 | JefferyM | all the others failed |
| 20:26.13 | brlcad | bzrobots are 'there', nothing for 3.0 will have to change feature-wise |
| 20:26.26 | JefferyM | there is HTTP server management |
| 20:26.46 | JefferyM | new shots |
| 20:26.51 | JefferyM | that'd be the big graphic thing to mention |
| 20:26.52 | trepan | brlcad: fonts, naturally |
| 20:26.55 | JefferyM | yeah fonts |
| 20:26.57 | brlcad | ahh fonts |
| 20:26.59 | trepan | (minus the ability to outline them) |
| 20:27.21 | brlcad | require at least opengl 1.2 now iirc, lots of crying kiddies |
| 20:27.34 | JefferyM | desuport win 98 |
| 20:27.41 | JefferyM | 2k support is a maybe |
| 20:27.44 | JefferyM | new server start tool |
| 20:28.10 | JefferyM | push stats should be done by the time 3.0 ships |
| 20:28.14 | JefferyM | the pushing part is done |
| 20:28.23 | trepan | meshy bases, links, weapons, and zones (links are much more capable) |
| 20:28.32 | JefferyM | meshtastic |
| 20:28.33 | trepan | text objects |
| 20:28.41 | cygal | http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4982/bzfi0004.jpg looks better than the wikipedia image :) |
| 20:28.51 | brlcad | those are what I was calling improved graphics |
| 20:29.10 | JefferyM | cygal, yeah bit it isn't really represnitive of the average server |
| 20:29.21 | cygal | "enhanced server listing" |
| 20:29.21 | JefferyM | wikipedia is not an ad ;) |
| 20:29.25 | JefferyM | he has that |
| 20:29.27 | trepan | the new shots would probably fall into that category a little better than having adding text objects |
| 20:29.31 | JefferyM | new server list |
| 20:29.46 | trepan | s/adding/added |
| 20:30.01 | JefferyM | Worse DR, and bad lag comp |
| 20:30.06 | trepan | heh |
| 20:30.23 | JefferyM | a plugin that generates unusably large city maps |
| 20:30.27 | trepan | tank-vs-shot is now boxy instead of circly |
| 20:30.30 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:30.43 | JefferyM | and can be adusted on the fly |
| 20:30.52 | trepan | so could the sphere ;) |
| 20:30.57 | JefferyM | it could? |
| 20:31.03 | trepan | tankRadius, wasn't it? |
| 20:31.04 | JefferyM | oh yeha tank rad |
| 20:31.05 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 20:31.15 | JefferyM | well it had those other problems too |
| 20:31.18 | cygal | (btw we need to add "scrolling" to the server listing, otherwise things are written "outside" when the window is a bit small) |
| 20:31.38 | JefferyM | brlcad, you could mention bzworkbench |
| 20:31.46 | JefferyM | it's coming along nicely |
| 20:35.23 | cygal | so how is the packet bug going? |
| 20:35.29 | JefferyM | no clue |
| 20:35.31 | brlcad | http://live.twit.tv/ |
| 20:35.45 | cygal | I saw blast007 advanced on it, so I did not take a look |
| 20:35.48 | JefferyM | blast indicated that somehow it magicaly worked in some cases now |
| 20:35.53 | brlcad | a lot to remember, feel free to ping me here or in PM ;) |
| 20:35.55 | cygal | should I? |
| 20:35.59 | JefferyM | yes please |
| 20:36.02 | cygal | and it's already wednesday |
| 20:36.13 | JefferyM | it's an important one we have to fix |
| 20:36.18 | JefferyM | so as many people that work on it the better |
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| 20:46.06 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20177 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/schema/database.sql: hash and hearbeat fields for servers |
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| 20:58.54 | stevenrodriguez | Hello everyone! |
| 20:59.00 | cygal | hello :) |
| 20:59.51 | stevenrodriguez | After learning about bzflag from FLOSS Weekly, I was wondering what a good newbie server for bzflag is |
| 21:02.15 | JefferyM | that's hard to say |
| 21:03.08 | JefferyM | there isn't really one that would be called a newbie one, most people just jump and and play untill they figure it out |
| 21:03.19 | JefferyM | ones with lower player counts would be easier to deal with |
| 21:04.03 | stevenrodriguez | ok |
| 21:04.07 | stevenrodriguez | thanks |
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| 21:09.00 | Bambino | ~bzflist |
| 21:14.50 | JefferyM | heh, 2.2 servers per player |
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| 21:21.57 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20178 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:21.57 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: start storing info for the current list of servers |
| 21:21.57 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: provide a simple API for listing servers with update times and hashes. |
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| 21:25.45 | cygal | brlcad: this was great :) |
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| 21:25.46 | catay | yeah, well done :) |
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| 21:26.25 | brlcad | cygal: ah, thanks |
| 21:26.29 | brlcad | kinda floppy |
| 21:26.42 | brlcad | ill prepared, kinda short notice :) |
| 21:28.07 | JefferyM | can I get a vhost and a database on the new .bz? |
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| 21:36.39 | brlcad | JefferyM: sure |
| 21:37.10 | JefferyM | it'll be for the push stats, bzfs will hit it, as well as stat sites wanting to poll for data |
| 21:37.20 | JefferyM | tho they can poll smarter not harder now :) |
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| 21:44.16 | blast007 | JefferyM: I'm gonna roll back in the code a bit to see if I can get the motto bug to happen again |
| 21:44.23 | JefferyM | ok |
| 21:44.27 | blast007 | then try to find when it started working |
| 21:44.38 | blast007 | it still only half works |
| 21:44.39 | JefferyM | thinks we got treapaned |
| 21:44.59 | blast007 | you don't get the motto for existing players when you join, but you get the motto when a new player joins |
| 21:45.15 | JefferyM | hmm |
| 21:45.38 | JefferyM | are we sure the server sends out mottos of existing players when you join? |
| 21:45.44 | JefferyM | or just yours |
| 21:45.45 | blast007 | nope, I haven't checked ;) |
| 21:45.57 | blast007 | I was in shock that it half worked all of a sudden |
| 21:46.05 | trepan | something like: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/msgs.diff ? |
| 21:46.32 | trepan | (i poked at it a few days ago, and quickly got bored ;-) |
| 21:46.42 | JefferyM | see, we got trepaned |
| 21:46.45 | JefferyM | :) |
| 21:46.54 | trepan | i never committed that ... |
| 21:48.22 | trepan | hm, might want to check RecordReplay.cxx as well (in savePlayersState()) |
| 21:48.31 | trepan | i had to add something there for the MsgPause changes |
| 21:48.38 | JefferyM | hmm |
| 21:48.42 | JefferyM | somone did something |
| 21:49.38 | blast007 | JefferyM: I noticed it worked the day or day after you added the message debugging stuff |
| 21:49.51 | JefferyM | wierd |
| 21:50.16 | qqqqqqqq | is there a way to get the previous message handled by the window? |
| 21:50.32 | trepan | qqqqqqqq: could you be more vague? |
| 21:51.09 | qqqqqqqq | How do i get the last message seen by PeekMessage()? |
| 21:51.23 | JefferyM | call peek again? |
| 21:51.40 | JefferyM | if it hasn't been grabbed then it's still on the stack |
| 21:51.48 | qqqqqqqq | well, after it's off the stack |
| 21:52.01 | JefferyM | we don't store a message history |
| 21:52.11 | qqqqqqqq | i'm trying to get the WM_CHAR that was before the WM_KEYUP |
| 21:52.26 | JefferyM | then you would have had to have saved it |
| 21:52.32 | JefferyM | windows dosn't keep a message history ether |
| 21:52.37 | qqqqqqqq | ah |
| 21:52.45 | JefferyM | it would be useles data |
| 21:53.19 | qqqqqqqq | in WinDisplay, should I create a variable in that class to save this? |
| 21:53.24 | qqqqqqqq | or is there a better way to do this |
| 21:53.50 | JefferyM | depends on how you wanted to do it |
| 21:54.02 | JefferyM | there is no need for a general message history |
| 21:54.09 | qqqqqqqq | yeah |
| 21:54.11 | JefferyM | so store it wherever it works for you |
| 21:54.19 | qqqqqqqq | ok thanks |
| 21:56.08 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20179 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/ (args.php index.php log.php servers.php): utils to manage server entries and args from pushes. |
| 21:57.22 | trepan | JefferyM: was looking into ways to get a smallish PNG from servers to display in a lobby |
| 21:57.35 | JefferyM | heh, cool |
| 21:57.36 | trepan | luckily, your NonPlayer connections came to the rescue ;) |
| 21:57.44 | JefferyM | they can be rather handy |
| 21:58.13 | *** part/#bzflag purple_cow (n=david@208.69.182.150.simpli.biz) |
| 21:58.26 | JefferyM | combine that with client side scripting and you can send anything betweent the client and server |
| 21:58.58 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20180 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/schema/database.sql: mode needs to be a string, we'll never do math on it. |
| 21:58.59 | trepan | MsgLuaData had that covered, but it be dead :) |
| 21:59.48 | trepan | NonPlayer is well suited to inter-server comms, could be handy for MsgJoinServer info relaying |
| 22:00.36 | JefferyM | saddly it is not will suted to IRC :( |
| 22:00.53 | JefferyM | but then making the game server an IRC server is silly |
| 22:01.06 | trepan | hm, i'd probably just setup a raw permanent TCP connection for MsgJoinServer to junk |
| 22:01.29 | trepan | s/to junk/type junk/ |
| 22:01.43 | trepan | jogs away... |
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| 22:03.58 | TD-Linux | trepan, what about the whole trusted images thing? |
| 22:07.23 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) |
| 22:08.56 | TD-Linux | is that policy being loosened? |
| 22:09.02 | JefferyM | nope |
| 22:09.26 | JefferyM | tho I would like it to be able to ask you if you want to add a host to your allowed list in game |
| 22:09.41 | TD-Linux | what about images in the lobby? |
| 22:09.58 | JefferyM | that will have to be discussed when we have a lobby system |
| 22:10.05 | JefferyM | I have not seen a commit that adds a lobby system |
| 22:10.12 | JefferyM | just some stuff he's been mucking with |
| 22:10.31 | JefferyM | we haven't realy discussed what we want out of a lobby system |
| 22:10.45 | JefferyM | but at that point we'd controll that lobby server I would think |
| 22:10.55 | TD-Linux | of course |
| 22:10.55 | JefferyM | and could make sure that only acceptable things are listed in it |
| 22:11.35 | JefferyM | I mean if it becomes a repalcement for the server list, then we have a very big thing to think of, beause we don't need 2 lists |
| 22:11.56 | TD-Linux | a lobby would be a lot more restricted than the list too |
| 22:12.01 | TD-Linux | so people might want their own lobbys |
| 22:12.09 | JefferyM | dunno |
| 22:12.17 | JefferyM | it all depends on what we want to list on the list server |
| 22:12.21 | JefferyM | or make the game do by default |
| 22:12.30 | JefferyM | I would not want to add a lobby system for 3.0 |
| 22:12.36 | TD-Linux | seems that a variation of trepan's lobby might be suitable for people wanting private lobbys? |
| 22:12.37 | JefferyM | having the underlying tech is not a bad thing |
| 22:12.43 | JefferyM | so we coudl add it for 3.2 |
| 22:12.49 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 22:12.50 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/misc_screenshots/Albatross18_Lobby.png |
| 22:13.03 | JefferyM | but the main goal of the project is not always for what people want to do privately ;) |
| 22:13.18 | JefferyM | yeah that's a chat lobby |
| 22:13.32 | JefferyM | chat lobby and game lobby are different experiences |
| 22:13.57 | TD-Linux | the list server could become a list of lobbys, or just a less restricted list |
| 22:13.58 | blast007 | what's the difference? |
| 22:14.16 | blast007 | has only really had a lobby like the screenshot above |
| 22:14.18 | JefferyM | that's just making a game server be able to host more then one game :) |
| 22:14.23 | blast007 | oh |
| 22:14.27 | JefferyM | that's what we really need |
| 22:14.37 | TD-Linux | by less restricted I mean like it is, in comparision to the possibly official lobby server |
| 22:14.38 | JefferyM | since most servers exist simply as a system to let people pick a map |
| 22:14.48 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:14.53 | blast007 | I thought of some ways to do that |
| 22:15.02 | blast007 | long time ago |
| 22:15.05 | JefferyM | I would prefer a "room" system |
| 22:15.12 | JefferyM | where the server has lists of gamestates |
| 22:15.20 | JefferyM | and just hosts as many games as it wants |
| 22:15.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:15.31 | JefferyM | then you join a server, then pick what room/map you want |
| 22:15.45 | JefferyM | then leauges could just all hop onto a private room for a match |
| 22:15.51 | JefferyM | then hop out to public when it's over |
| 22:15.56 | blast007 | some maps have tried to do that already, by having large gaps between areas in a huge world |
| 22:16.03 | JefferyM | yeah that's silly |
| 22:16.14 | blast007 | course that has issues, since all player updates go to everyone |
| 22:16.20 | blast007 | instead of just the people in your area |
| 22:16.23 | JefferyM | get the gamestate waraped up in a class, then just have the server manage N of them |
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| 22:16.45 | JefferyM | be a lot nicer when the net system is threaded tho |
| 22:16.54 | JefferyM | then you just fire off a thread per room |
| 22:17.15 | blast007 | at that point, might be worth looking into a real network library |
| 22:17.18 | JefferyM | then cross room chat is simple |
| 22:17.55 | blast007 | raknet already has a lobby system, though I'm not sure how they define "lobby" |
| 22:18.17 | JefferyM | it's more like a list server |
| 22:20.56 | JefferyM | I think what people want most is a friends system, and they assume that a chat lobby will let them fake it |
| 22:21.01 | JefferyM | I say we just make a friends system :) |
| 22:22.28 | TD-Linux | the room system seems just like a subdivision of servers |
| 22:22.34 | JefferyM | it is |
| 22:22.35 | TD-Linux | something that lobbys kinda do already :P |
| 22:22.39 | TD-Linux | or |
| 22:22.41 | TD-Linux | would do |
| 22:22.45 | JefferyM | there are lots of ways to do it |
| 22:22.52 | JefferyM | it all depends on what you want to manage on the server side |
| 22:23.03 | JefferyM | lobby+ lots of servers is harder to manage then a single server that can do it all |
| 22:23.25 | JefferyM | I'd ratehr keep all the related things in one executable with multiple threads |
| 22:24.04 | JefferyM | but this is all stuff that would have to be discussed when bzflag decides to takle the firends/lobby/server chat project |
| 22:24.09 | JefferyM | they are all related |
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| 22:49.19 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20181 10/trunk/web/bzfstats/ (api.php db.php index.php log.php servers.php test/index.php): |
| 22:49.19 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: update server data on update when hash is different |
| 22:49.19 | CIA-62 | BZFlag: provide api and test tools to query the extended data from the server. |
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| 23:26.06 | trepan | related to lobby/serverlist/servers, it would be nice to have bzid authentication for server registration (optionally?) |
| 23:28.50 | JefferyM | yeah having info on the server would be cool |
| 23:28.58 | JefferyM | for more then just that |
| 23:29.10 | JefferyM | being able to get some contact info about them etc.. would be very nice |
| 23:30.05 | trepan | yup, a bzbb account gives you someone to bzPM |
| 23:30.11 | JefferyM | forgot how mucky the 2.0.x API is |
| 23:30.31 | JefferyM | yeah |
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| 23:51.34 | trepan | JefferyM: hm, think i'll add "-publicuser nick:pass" option in right now, and just add to the registration POST the as would be done for a list query |
| 23:51.44 | JefferyM | k |
| 23:51.49 | JefferyM | that at least gets the data in |
| 23:51.52 | trepan | or -publicauth, or a split version |
| 23:52.01 | JefferyM | : may be bad |
| 23:52.06 | JefferyM | as that is commonly in passwords |
| 23:52.11 | trepan | was thinking that ;) |
| 23:52.19 | trepan | -public nick pass works though |
| 23:52.30 | trepan | '-publicauth nick pass' that is |
| 23:52.36 | JefferyM | assumping passwords don't have spaces :) |
| 23:52.44 | trepan | '-publicauth nick "pass"' :) |
| 23:52.50 | JefferyM | or quotes |
| 23:53.09 | JefferyM | " is probably more common then spaces |
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| 23:53.26 | trepan | not a real problem, shell handles it |
| 23:53.34 | JefferyM | k |
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