| 00:14.36 | KTL | is satisfied. stuff works |
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| 00:24.01 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03KTL 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6604 10/w/Server_Variables: |
| 00:29.36 | KingRobot | ping any dev |
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| 01:07.16 | trepan | KingRobot: ~ask? :) |
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| 01:21.03 | trepan | ~asked and ~answered :) |
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| 06:26.06 | KingRobot | trepan: are you the one who built the code/API for the server-side bots? |
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| 09:19.02 | cygal | hey KingRobot |
| 09:19.50 | cygal | don't we have a mailing list? |
| 09:20.00 | cygal | would be easier is nobody answers |
| 09:20.42 | cygal | JeffM was looking for you btw. |
| 09:59.13 | KingRobot | When was JeffM looking for me? I've been around all day except for dinner. |
| 09:59.55 | KingRobot | ... the last several days, even. |
| 10:00.10 | KingRobot | Actually I was looking for him earlier as well. Oh well. |
| 10:04.14 | cygal | can't remember when |
| 10:04.26 | cygal | maybe you updated your status after that :) |
| 10:04.41 | cygal | I'll try to build bzflag on windows to check the robots bugs |
| 10:05.00 | cygal | KingRobot: do you have anything I can use from your debugging work when I'll look at that? |
| 10:05.41 | KingRobot | Not much. Everything looked clean when I was trying to debug it. |
| 10:06.12 | KingRobot | Something is causing the shot to expire almost as soon as it's fired. |
| 10:06.36 | KingRobot | I suspect, but am not certain, that is has to do with JeffM's recent bounding box change. |
| 10:06.39 | cygal | MsgShotEnd is sent? |
| 10:07.09 | cygal | anyway, ok, adding that to my post-gsoc todo-list :) |
| 10:07.19 | KingRobot | Yeah, the shot is fired, everything looks good, and then the shot explodes as if it hit a wall or tank. |
| 10:08.36 | KingRobot | (And all the packets are sent as they should) |
| 10:09.09 | cygal | if MsgShotEnd is sent, it's a good start point to see why it's sent |
| 10:09.21 | cygal | what's weird is that it's windows only |
| 10:12.57 | KingRobot | Exactly |
| 10:13.39 | KingRobot | I've done a few full rebuilds since I discovered it, just to make sure it wasn't me. |
| 10:22.28 | KingRobot | And yeah, my linux builds work fine |
| 10:53.54 | jorgenpt | Hey King :) |
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| 11:01.03 | KingRobot | hello jorgenpt |
| 11:01.48 | KingRobot | I've been working on the last stage on my project since last week. |
| 11:02.07 | jorgenpt | Big commit coming? ;P |
| 11:02.14 | jorgenpt | But coo', any big roadblocks? |
| 11:02.19 | KingRobot | yeah |
| 11:02.30 | KingRobot | I've run into some problems that I think we will have to readjust the final scope of the project. |
| 11:03.07 | KingRobot | Essentially, I feel that the frontend/backend mentality needs to go. |
| 11:03.44 | KingRobot | However, getting rid of it, and getting that working, will probably take much of the rest of my time. |
| 11:04.09 | KingRobot | (It will however, make the majority of the necessary API fixes trivial) |
| 11:05.08 | KingRobot | What are your thoughts? |
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| 12:24.02 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20387 10/trunk/bzflag/ (43 files in 2 dirs): bzrobots: refactor to eliminate frontend/backend - compiles but still needs some work to spawn a bot |
| 12:26.06 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20388 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (9 files): bzrobots: Added the new files from the previous commit |
| 12:26.57 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20389 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (MessageUtilities.cxx MessageUtilities.h): bzrobots: Didn't need these either |
| 13:04.27 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20390 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/botplaying.cxx: * commented the unused doBotRequests() |
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| 13:21.15 | jorgenpt | Hm, why did he quit before he committed? :( |
| 13:21.25 | jorgenpt | I wanted to answer, sigh. |
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| 13:44.54 | trepan | cygal: fwiw, MsgShotEnd is only for GM's |
| 13:45.52 | cygal | ah |
| 13:46.06 | cygal | would need to study shots a bit more |
| 13:56.06 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20391 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: |
| 13:56.06 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: Remove references to files that are gone. |
| 13:56.06 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: Remove spurious FIXME. |
| 13:58.34 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20392 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (4 files): Finish variable name change from "robot" to "pyrobot". |
| 13:58.41 | joevano | jorgenpt: it was probably just a CIA delay |
| 13:59.22 | jorgenpt | Ah, could be. |
| 13:59.42 | BulletCatcher | CIA was immediate for me just now. |
| 14:00.01 | BulletCatcher | I see 42 minutes between KingRobot leaving and his CIA reports. |
| 14:02.14 | BulletCatcher | Also, the timestamps on KingRobot's changed files match the CIA reports closely. (I have use-commit-times=yes in my Subversion configuration.) |
| 14:02.16 | JonathanD | I wish bzflag had some insight into trackpoint style mice. |
| 14:04.12 | BulletCatcher | Do you mean something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick ? |
| 14:04.14 | cygal | yeah, it could be useful |
| 14:04.30 | cygal | BulletCatcher: the red thing on the keyboard |
| 14:05.32 | cygal | http://xkcd.com/243/ there are a few ways to name that :] |
| 14:14.28 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: yes. |
| 14:14.32 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: what I'm thinking is a "rate of movement" turning vs "distance from center" moving. |
| 14:14.38 | JonathanD | *turning. |
| 14:15.06 | JonathanD | basically turning would work the way it does in an FPS. |
| 14:15.38 | cygal | so just provide an option? Or can it be detected at runtime? |
| 14:16.27 | JonathanD | I'd say an option. |
| 14:16.40 | JonathanD | it would work with normal mice anyway, if someone wanted ot use it that way. |
| 14:16.42 | BulletCatcher | Okay, I understand. The "return to center to stop turning" behavior with a standard mouse would work poorly with the pointing stick. |
| 14:17.04 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: the thing is, the trackpoint is a pretty good option for FPS games. |
| 14:17.10 | JonathanD | but it works very poorly at bzflag :) |
| 14:17.15 | cygal | I don't think it's that hard to implement |
| 14:17.17 | JonathanD | so yeah. |
| 14:17.43 | JonathanD | the other thing with the trackpoint in FPS just as an example is unlike normal mice you never run out of mousepad. |
| 14:17.57 | JonathanD | it's perfectly reasonable to keep turning in one direction for all eternity. |
| 14:18.23 | BulletCatcher | If you are interested in a way to get involved with BZFlag development, this would be it. |
| 14:18.38 | cygal | I think it would work well with trackballs too. |
| 14:19.34 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: I'm not a developer :) |
| 14:19.47 | BulletCatcher | Everyone starts somewhere. |
| 14:20.11 | JonathanD | and I have quite a lot on my plate elsewhere, I can't really commit to anything additional at this time. |
| 14:20.19 | BulletCatcher | Okay. |
| 14:20.27 | cygal | freenode needs his staff :) |
| 14:20.53 | JonathanD | that and I'm getting married in 24 days. |
| 14:21.02 | BulletCatcher | Oooh. Congratulations! |
| 14:21.02 | JonathanD | and planning a free and open source conference |
| 14:21.10 | cygal | fun :) |
| 14:21.34 | JonathanD | I expect you all to come :p |
| 14:21.48 | JonathanD | you can have a bzflag development hacking session. |
| 14:22.01 | cygal | where will it be? |
| 14:22.15 | JonathanD | Northeastern US. |
| 14:22.22 | JonathanD | Late summer, 2010. |
| 14:22.30 | JonathanD | 2011 will be in Europe. |
| 14:23.04 | BulletCatcher | As cygal said, it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to add an option for it. |
| 14:23.21 | BulletCatcher | We could add a wishlist entry and see if someone makes it happen. |
| 14:23.22 | cygal | will wait for the european one |
| 14:23.52 | BulletCatcher | On the other hand, married life may not leave any free time for playing BZFlag. |
| 14:24.21 | JonathanD | she'll play it with me. |
| 14:24.31 | JonathanD | :P |
| 14:24.58 | BulletCatcher | I hope you're right. Mrs. Catcher refuses to play BZFlag at all. |
| 14:25.07 | JonathanD | heh :) |
| 14:25.12 | JonathanD | well, she come on freenode anyway. |
| 14:29.14 | Manu | hugs JonathanD :) |
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| 14:58.42 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03cygal * r20393 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDuiControl.cxx: remove dead code to display a gl triangle in menu |
| 15:05.51 | JonathanD | heya manu |
| 15:14.08 | Manu | JonathanD: long time no see :) |
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| 15:20.42 | JonathanD | whats new? |
| 15:22.17 | steerpike | hi |
| 15:24.08 | steerpike | 09:23 < JonathanD> heh :) |
| 15:24.28 | steerpike | huh? |
| 15:24.39 | JonathanD | what? |
| 15:24.47 | steerpike | sorry, stupid middle-click paste |
| 15:25.17 | steerpike | didn't see it was highlighted |
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| 15:36.38 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: I'm guessing the actual code would be easy, and the hard part would be making it selectable. |
| 15:37.46 | cygal | adding options to bzflag is quite easy |
| 15:42.06 | JonathanD | cygal: cool. |
| 15:42.19 | JonathanD | I might take a stab at making the actual "this makes it go" code. |
| 15:42.29 | JonathanD | even though I haven't a clue where to start. |
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| 15:46.09 | trepan | JonathanD: a good starting point might be, src/bzflag/guiplaying.cxx:958 |
| 15:46.34 | JonathanD | cool, I'm pulling down source now. |
| 15:47.28 | BulletCatcher | Be sure you don't confuse 2.0.x (branch) code with 2.99.x (trunk) code. |
| 15:49.57 | trepan | you may have problems with getting a constant mouse position change rate per frame, and discriminating the cursor warps from real motion (iirc, warpMouse(x,y) also generates events; although it's been a while since i played with it) |
| 15:49.59 | steerpike | BulletCatcher ^_^ |
| 15:50.02 | steerpike | < titmouse |
| 15:50.38 | trepan | actually, warpMouse() vs. events might be platform dependent ;) |
| 15:53.20 | BulletCatcher | Hey, steerpike. Haven't seen you in-game recently. |
| 15:56.03 | steerpike | i like the new turret map |
| 15:56.38 | steerpike | i miss the compound |
| 15:57.15 | BulletCatcher | There was a game at The Compound a couple of days ago. Sorry you missed it. |
| 15:57.26 | steerpike | oh well :/ |
| 16:00.21 | BulletCatcher | I'd love to come up with a scalable system that would notify players in real life when certain servers get a game going. |
| 16:00.46 | steerpike | a mailing list? ^_^ |
| 16:00.59 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: via irc? |
| 16:01.01 | JonathanD | :) |
| 16:02.01 | BulletCatcher | There are lots of ways to do it. Devising a suitable opt-in method and preserving privacy would be the hardest part. |
| 16:02.40 | BulletCatcher | For my choices, I'd want a message sent to my cell phone. |
| 16:25.56 | JonathanD | I suppose the servers would need to have an announcement thing |
| 16:26.08 | JonathanD | the rest (minus privacy concerns) is easy. |
| 16:26.21 | JonathanD | BulletCatcher: just do email notes. People can forward to text. |
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| 17:05.41 | x_ares_x | how do you go into roaming mode? |
| 17:05.49 | Allejo | f8 |
| 17:06.38 | x_ares_x | ty |
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| 17:44.27 | steerpike | JefferyM: how long is a while? :/ |
| 17:44.51 | JefferyM | couple months I'd think |
| 17:44.57 | steerpike | oh |
| 17:45.17 | JefferyM | what you thought 3 days was good? |
| 17:45.25 | steerpike | :/ |
| 17:45.42 | steerpike | it was just rumors |
| 17:46.02 | JefferyM | if it was just rumors freenode would not have blocked you from getting one |
| 17:46.18 | JefferyM | I also was not happy that you had me ask for one when you knew they would say no |
| 17:46.51 | steerpike | i didn't know it was the same procedure as requesting an unaffiliated one |
| 17:47.06 | JefferyM | how old are you, if I may ask? |
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| 17:47.14 | steerpike | 16 |
| 17:48.15 | JefferyM | k, just chill with your name for now and know that people tend to take computer security and trust issues very seriously |
| 17:48.22 | JefferyM | specialy when they run networks of machines |
| 17:48.28 | steerpike | ok |
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| 17:50.32 | cygal | I really don't know where to look at for the cursor bug (garbage is displayed in Options menu when Texturing is off) |
| 17:51.06 | cygal | apparently setState() in OpenGLGState |
| 17:52.13 | cygal | trepan already helped me a bit, but now I'm really stuck, and not familiar at all with menus and rendering |
| 17:53.20 | JefferyM | do you want to move on to something else? |
| 17:53.47 | JefferyM | cus there is an easy fix for that, make textures always be on |
| 17:54.35 | JefferyM | it's been something we've been discussing for a bit, because so much is done with textures now it's silly to be able to turn them off |
| 17:55.00 | JefferyM | and it's also somewhat silly to assume that anyone would be on a system that could not do textures |
| 17:55.05 | JefferyM | not in this day in age |
| 17:57.10 | cygal | okay |
| 17:57.14 | cygal | I'll move to another bug |
| 17:57.55 | JefferyM | how hard do you think it'll be to make it so that you can't turn textures off? |
| 17:58.16 | JefferyM | where all you can do is set them to nearest |
| 17:58.31 | cygal | just remove the option |
| 17:58.38 | JefferyM | it's a little more then that |
| 17:58.39 | cygal | but there's a lot of code that takes that into account |
| 17:58.50 | JefferyM | you also need to make it so that it can't be set to off |
| 17:59.02 | JefferyM | ok, move on, I'll try to remember to take a look at it |
| 17:59.07 | JefferyM | I've done changes like that before |
| 17:59.13 | JefferyM | like the depth buffer |
| 17:59.20 | cygal | how could it be set to off without the option? |
| 17:59.30 | JefferyM | manualy in the config file |
| 18:00.11 | JefferyM | for 3.0.x we get to assume at least some level of hardware 3d support |
| 18:00.13 | cygal | yeah but if the option does not exist at all, that would make a nonvalid config file |
| 18:00.21 | JefferyM | at least at the GF1/radeon lavel |
| 18:00.28 | cygal | anyway, I'll move on, problem is the bugs left are also rendering bugs :) |
| 18:00.38 | JefferyM | cygal, all the menu does is set the value in the config file (BZDB) |
| 18:00.57 | JefferyM | if that bzdb value is still checked, then you can set the config file to be off |
| 18:01.00 | JefferyM | and it gets turned off |
| 18:01.22 | JefferyM | and if there was no controll to set it, then it'd never get turned on |
| 18:01.25 | cygal | concerning textures, there's at least BZDBCache::texture, OpenGLTexture, and OpenGLGState to change if you want to remove them |
| 18:01.43 | JefferyM | well the texture variable is more then on and off IIRC |
| 18:01.47 | JefferyM | it's also the blend mode |
| 18:02.14 | JefferyM | so it's not so much as removing it, but just limiting it to the lowest setting |
| 18:02.19 | JefferyM | but i'll take a look |
| 18:04.06 | cygal | thanks |
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| 18:19.44 | trepan | JefferyM: always having textures on would be a killer for older/crappier setups |
| 18:19.55 | JefferyM | how old and how crappy? |
| 18:20.16 | trepan | s/w rendering would certainly suffer |
| 18:20.50 | JefferyM | k, don't really care about SW rendering that much these days |
| 18:20.50 | JefferyM | what kind of hardware setup would run poorly? |
| 18:20.51 | trepan | you still see screenshots without textures being posted on the forum |
| 18:21.18 | JefferyM | sometimes |
| 18:21.27 | Pimpi | it?s not that long that i played on a P3 650MHz |
| 18:21.37 | JefferyM | but do you play on it now? |
| 18:21.54 | JefferyM | at some point we have to push forward |
| 18:22.03 | Pimpi | i?m sure there are still such boxes out there |
| 18:22.07 | trepan | JefferyM: and throw out all the current code ;) |
| 18:22.16 | JefferyM | trepan, I would if I could |
| 18:22.50 | JefferyM | Pimpi, I'm sure they are, but should we keep the game stuck in past jut to let those few people play like they used to? |
| 18:22.57 | JefferyM | omlets, eggs etc.. |
| 18:23.07 | JefferyM | the quesion is how many |
| 18:23.16 | trepan | MsgQueryGL |
| 18:23.17 | JefferyM | what % of the playerbase would be adversly affected? |
| 18:23.19 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 18:23.26 | JefferyM | that'll help for the future |
| 18:23.47 | trepan | probably isn't worth forcing textures for 3.0 |
| 18:23.49 | JefferyM | will the code get cleaner/better if we can assume testure support? |
| 18:23.58 | trepan | it doesn't help that much |
| 18:24.00 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:24.08 | JefferyM | cus we forced depth buffer for 3 |
| 18:24.19 | JefferyM | this seems to be a similar "baseline" feature |
| 18:24.22 | trepan | bsp is still available, no? |
| 18:24.27 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.38 | JefferyM | I belive I took out all the places that checked that var |
| 18:24.41 | JefferyM | and make them assume true |
| 18:24.48 | JefferyM | unless that got pulled |
| 18:25.07 | trepan | looks like it's still used |
| 18:25.24 | JefferyM | is there any reason ot? |
| 18:25.25 | JefferyM | to? |
| 18:25.31 | JefferyM | is the bsp still buggy? |
| 18:25.38 | trepan | buggy how? |
| 18:25.39 | JefferyM | it used to be a lot worse then depth buffers |
| 18:25.48 | JefferyM | as in would split stuff badly and have graphical issues |
| 18:26.49 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.11 | JefferyM | does it look ok? |
| 18:27.32 | trepan | from little i just saw, sure |
| 18:27.34 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:28.01 | trepan | but that was just an automatic map, boxes and pyrs; no dynamic unsplittables |
| 18:28.04 | JefferyM | still don't think we should care about softies |
| 18:28.12 | JefferyM | it's the 21st centruy |
| 18:28.35 | JefferyM | our friggin webserver has hardware 3d ;) |
| 18:28.36 | trepan | i'm of the opinion the you should at least have fragment shaders to play a 3d game |
| 18:28.40 | trepan | but that's just me ;) |
| 18:28.44 | JefferyM | I know |
| 18:28.55 | JefferyM | I'm willing to say you have to have hardware T&L |
| 18:29.01 | JefferyM | and that's at least closer to shaders |
| 18:30.16 | JefferyM | checks to see what the min system requirements for XP are |
| 18:30.51 | JefferyM | wow, XP runs on some crappy hardware :) |
| 18:31.21 | cygal | having only software rendering is quite common with linux users, but they learnt to install drivers soon after (at least before playing) |
| 18:31.48 | JefferyM | we don't do our own software rendering, we assume mesa will handle it |
| 18:32.07 | JefferyM | I'm just saying we can ASSUME that they have textures and depth buffers in hardware |
| 18:32.30 | JefferyM | if it runs poorly for them, then sorry, 3d gaming is not for you. |
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| 18:41.40 | trepan | fwiw, i'll mention here that the fixed GL pipeline is deprecated as of GL 3.0 |
| 18:42.26 | trepan | and that a number of GL features used by bzflag are also deprecated (display lists, glBegin/glEnd, etc...) |
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| 18:43.14 | joevano | sounds like fun times ahead |
| 18:44.42 | trepan | another thing to consider is removing the rest of the items that should not be optionned for real gfx cards (lighting, blending, smoothing, dither, etc...) |
| 19:26.03 | ts | Do the Windows cards feature OGL 3.0? My Mac ATI 4870 does only feature 2.1 full and 48% 3.0 and 14% 3.1 according to OpenGL Extenstions Viewer. |
| 19:28.02 | trepan | s/cards/drivers/ ? |
| 19:29.31 | ts | Sort of, I wonder can the cards do OGL 3.0 in Hardware and Firmware may blocks usage of some units. |
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| 19:31.17 | trepan | do windows cards cost less than bsd cards, sort of? |
| 19:32.54 | ts | Depends on Hardware/Firmware.. |
| 19:33.12 | trepan | uhhuh |
| 19:33.48 | cygal | :) |
| 19:33.50 | ts | For example a Windows (BIOS?) card won't work in a Mac without a Firmware flash |
| 19:34.17 | cygal | what is a "Windows BIOS card"? |
| 19:34.35 | trepan | and which specific windows graphics cards where you referring to? |
| 19:35.28 | trepan | i'm don't think i've ever seen "will only ever be supported on windows" on an ATI box |
| 19:35.36 | trepan | but maybe i've been missing the fine print |
| 19:36.01 | ts | Ok, I did not ask my question in a good way. I mean can todays graphics card feature new OpenGL versions 3.0 with hardware acceleration? |
| 19:37.02 | trepan | no, you made a mistake in your original question, and then didn't own up to it ;) |
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| 19:37.52 | trepan | but ya, modern video cards have more support in h/w for GL3 features than do older cards |
| 19:57.59 | siggraph | http://digihub.smh.com.au/node/1146 |
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| 20:06.54 | Manu | hugs siggraph |
| 20:08.21 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20394 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Fixed issue with materials and physics drivers occasionally being deleted too soon |
| 20:09.01 | siggraph | hugs Manu |
| 20:09.34 | cygal | "solo bots as an education model" |
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| 20:16.42 | JefferyM | ts the mac bios thing is an apple only deal |
| 20:17.08 | JefferyM | and apple has special driver deals too |
| 20:17.08 | JefferyM | the rest of the world uses the same cards |
| 20:18.07 | JefferyM | trepan, I think the entire codebase will be scrapped or redone before we have to worry about GL3 only support ;) |
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| 20:22.13 | trepan | scrapped, redone, or fade away ;) |
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| 20:22.22 | JefferyM | one of those |
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| 20:56.51 | ts | JefferyM: I've seen your OS query stuff in svn trunk and investigated how programs analyse the Mac OS X version. I found 3 different ways: 1. Gestalt manager with deprecated variable, 2. Gestalt manager with new variables but results can differ (.10 may shown as .1) and 3. reading out a config file inside the system directory or 4. query a command line tool. Not sure which way BZFlag may want to choose. |
| 20:57.08 | ts | s/3/4/ |
| 20:57.28 | JefferyM | ummm, whatever way works |
| 20:57.32 | JefferyM | it dosn't matter |
| 20:57.49 | JefferyM | are you going to implement it? |
| 20:57.57 | ts | 3. and 4. can be changed by user easily |
| 20:58.03 | ts | I consider to do so |
| 20:58.12 | JefferyM | is that a yes or a no? |
| 20:58.24 | ts | I will try |
| 20:58.32 | JefferyM | I would think calling the OS API for verison would be good |
| 20:58.50 | JefferyM | and as long as we can decode the string on the other end, it dosn't really matter what it is |
| 20:58.58 | JefferyM | I mean I'm not using "windows vista" for windows |
| 20:59.21 | JefferyM | it is just like "6.1.0 sp1.1" and that kinda stuff |
| 21:00.16 | ts | Well, problem with API is it does not identify versions correct I heard..like 10.4.10 or 10.4.11 may be identified as 10.4.1 |
| 21:00.36 | JefferyM | I don't think we need THAT much granularity |
| 21:00.37 | ts | Would that be "good enough"? |
| 21:00.44 | ts | Okay |
| 21:00.51 | JefferyM | tho it seems odd that they can't get an API to return a version number right ;) |
| 21:01.11 | JefferyM | if you can tell the diff between 10.4 and 10.5 that's good enough |
| 21:01.22 | ts | Their own system tools read out the config file ^^ |
| 21:01.33 | JefferyM | IIRC it's kinda hard to have a mac and keep the rev at an older version, as they bug you all the time to update. |
| 21:02.04 | ts | They incooperate security fixes into regular updates which is "nice" |
| 21:02.14 | JefferyM | well whateve |
| 21:02.21 | JefferyM | any more info then we have now is good |
| 21:02.39 | JefferyM | the big thigns I'd like to know is major version, and if it's PPC or intel |
| 21:02.59 | JefferyM | since those are the major things that affect how we package the binary build |
| 21:03.09 | ts | That should be already tested by the endianness |
| 21:03.12 | JefferyM | and the API calls we can make |
| 21:03.21 | JefferyM | I don't care how you get it ;) |
| 21:03.47 | ts | I'll try to get it done sometime this week |
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| 21:07.09 | Bambino | ~seen me1 |
| 21:07.13 | ibot | me1 <n=ausom@bzflag/player/Me1> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag-chat, 13d 21h 19m 20s ago, saying: 'no way! me too!'. |
| 21:12.04 | x_ares_x | O.o |
| 21:20.34 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20395 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Fixed occasional crash after deleting an object |
| 21:22.19 | Will07c5 | Those last two commits seem to really have improved stability in bzwb a lot |
| 21:29.01 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: how important would you say groups/defines are? since I don't think groups/defines can be created right now |
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| 21:35.20 | jcp | Is it possible to ask a server what port it's listening on via the 2.0 api? |
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| 21:42.17 | siggraph | anyone know why the bzrobos frontend/backwend were collapsed? |
| 21:44.14 | cygal | KingRobot ran into "problems with the API", and it "made the fixes trivial" - you can try to look at the irc logs or wait for KingRobot to get an explanation |
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| 22:32.39 | JefferyM | Will07c5, they will be very handy when we can have them, but I think if we can edit with out them it's a huge thing |
| 22:32.50 | JefferyM | I'd be ok if you wanted to work on stability issues or other things before groups |
| 22:34.05 | Will07c5 | well I've actually already started working on them, since it shouldn't be very hard to do |
| 22:35.56 | JefferyM | ok |
| 22:36.02 | JefferyM | they will be handy for sure |
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| 23:28.33 | x_ares_x | oh, when did freenode get IPv6? |
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| 23:37.56 | blast007 | x_ares_x: had it in late 2007, at least. Probably longer. |
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| 23:45.04 | x_ares_x | weird |