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03:16.46JeffMmmmmmmm lightmaps :)
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03:22.41delusionalwe'd use bzworkbench if we could compile it
03:28.17blast007why can't you compile it?
03:49.28blast007(in other words, can you be more specific than "it doesn't work!"  ?)
03:49.45JeffMyou'll have better luck compiling it then you would bzview ;)
03:52.56temporalDwill binaries for bzworkbench be available any time soon?
03:53.42temporalDis this software available for a non-programmer?
03:54.10JeffMprobably depends on your definition of "soon"
03:54.38temporalDwell is it stable now and the code sort of static?
03:54.53JeffMif you mean not changing, then sure
03:54.59JeffMhasn't been worked on since SOC ended
03:55.38temporalDOK well I'll try and get the dependancies and build it
03:56.25blast007I have a build of it for Windows
03:56.48blast007gonna see if linux works (Ubuntu 9.04 installing right now)
03:56.48temporalDif it is portable could you post it some where?
03:57.03JeffMgive him 20$
03:57.06blast007yeah, I can upload it
03:57.07temporalDheh
03:57.14blast007heh, yeah, what JeffM said
03:57.20temporalDsure sure
03:57.50temporalDseems a shame that this is the "future" but it's largely unaccessible
03:58.09JeffMdevlopment code usualy is
03:58.21temporalDunderstood
03:58.26JeffMit should be buildable on the free MS compiler
03:59.07temporalDI'm reading how to build one of the dependancies for OSX now (FLTK)
04:01.11blast007FLTK == fun
04:01.19blast007enjoy CMake :)
04:01.52JeffMredo it all in python
04:04.16blast007or PHP-GTK
04:04.36JeffMvisual fortran .net
04:04.43JeffMwith lolcode plugins
04:04.45blast007QBasic
04:05.38JeffMyou woudn't even need bzworkbench if bzflag was just done with 3dRAD!
04:06.04FusionDu2esomebody get JeffM another scotch
04:06.27blast007JeffM: haha
04:06.28JeffMI actualy downloaded that thing
04:06.29JeffMit's sad
04:07.01blast007JeffM: though someone is making a pretty neat racing game with it
04:07.25JeffMwell that's almost about all you can do with it :)
04:08.13JeffMtho tecnicaly I don't know if that guy can even use the bzflag resources in it, since he can't opensource the app IIRC
04:28.45blast007http://static.bzexcess.com/downloads/BZWB_r20544.zip
04:28.58blast007that *should* work ;)
04:29.01temporalDcool
04:29.08blast007might need the Visual C++ 2008 runtime
04:29.53blast007http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2051A0C1-C9B5-4B0A-A8F5-770A549FD78C
04:29.57blast007that one specifically
04:30.15temporalDsomeone else will have to test that
04:30.36blast007I'll probably post it on my blog and see who bites
04:30.54temporalDI got the two deps that I needed
04:31.19temporalDbut am still thinking / looking at the bzworkbench build itself
04:31.23blast007I'm just waiting for 255 ubuntu updates to download/install
04:31.44blast007then I'll see if OSG 2.4 is new enough to work (readme says it should be 2.8)
04:45.22temporalDblast007, give me a hint what to do about this build error?  http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d71c96bb4
04:49.16blast007no idea
04:49.21temporalDheh
04:49.24blast007suggests installing Windows ;)
04:49.33temporalDsure sure - I'll get right on that
04:52.12JeffMwhat version of OSG do you have?
04:52.34temporalD2.8
04:53.11JeffMether you are missing a file in workbench, or OSG changed how it does its' ref pointers
04:53.50temporalDI tried "make fresh"
04:54.04JeffMthat would not solve ether of those problems
04:54.07temporalDbut maybe I'll just start over with fresh download
04:54.13JeffMyour nail is bent, hitting it more won't fix it
04:54.20temporalDheh
04:54.22blast007are you building OSG or BZWB?
04:54.29temporalDBZWB
04:54.38temporalDosg built fine
04:54.55temporalDas did FLTK
04:54.57JeffMwhen I meant missing file, I meant from the makefile, not your download
04:55.06temporalDok - hmm
04:55.13JeffMthe odds of a file not extracting for you would be very rare
04:55.17JeffMmacs don't suck that much
04:55.40JeffMit looks more like an OSG problem as the compiler can find a close candidate
04:55.40blast007it's SVN anyway, more than likely
04:56.10temporalDso maybe I need to link a library..
04:56.15JeffMno
04:56.22JeffMnevermind, you arn't listening
04:56.29temporalDtrying to understand
04:56.30JeffMjust wait till a mac one gets built in 2012
04:56.37temporalDno
04:56.45temporalDmaybe I don't know the language
04:56.52JeffMdo you know C++?
04:57.01temporalDs/link a library/tell it where OSG is
04:57.08temporalDcourse I don't know C++
04:57.10JeffMso no.. you don't
04:57.30JeffMthe problem is that it says that OSG does not have a function bzwb needs
04:57.42JeffMthey probalby changed OSG
04:57.47temporalD[22:28]  <blast007> why can't you compile it?
04:57.55temporalDhere's the answer to that question
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04:58.07JeffMyour OSG may be too new
04:58.10JeffMor too old
04:58.21temporalDthis is the version called for in the BZWB docs
04:58.32JeffMthat dosn't mean anything
04:58.43JeffMOSG may have made a minor change
04:59.09JeffMI wonder what bz2object is based on
04:59.43temporalDit's a shame that the project map editor is unavailable to the users
04:59.54JeffMit's a shame that noone works on it more
05:00.03JeffMcode don't write it'self
05:00.42temporalDI
05:00.52temporalDwill find a place to post that error
05:00.57temporalDso the author can see it
05:01.13JeffMthere is more then one "the author"
05:01.21JeffMand they are long gone
05:01.22JeffMSOC is over
05:01.27JeffMmoney paid, they bail
05:02.03temporalDyour cynicism doesn't help much
05:02.05blast007fwiw, I get the same/similar errors on Ubuntu
05:02.29JeffMtemporalD: not as much as noone working on it does ;)
05:02.40JeffMwhat version of OSG did you use in windows?
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05:04.58blast007JeffM: 2.8.1
05:05.06blast007I used their binary build, iirc
05:05.15JeffMand on ubuntu you have the same version?
05:05.22blast007heh, no
05:05.25blast0072.4 something
05:05.37JeffMtemporalD: what exact version do you have on OSX?
05:06.03JeffMblast007: can you open bz2object.h and see what class it's based on?
05:06.05JeffMif any
05:06.24temporalDJeffM, 2.8.0
05:06.40JeffMis there a 2.8.1 for the mac?
05:07.08blast007class bz2object : public Renderable, public DataEntry
05:07.11temporalDlooks like the most recent version is 2.8.2
05:07.27blast0072.8.2 didn't have win32 bins which is why I never used that one
05:07.43temporalDand 2.8.0 was the latest mac binary
05:07.58blast007guess it does have then now though
05:08.07temporalDI'll build the 2.8.2 from svn
05:08.17blast007do 2.8.1
05:08.24blast007since we know that works on Windows, at least
05:08.35temporalDalrighty
05:09.37JeffMwonder if it's something like the template interaface wasn't enabled or something
05:18.56blast007looks like Ubuntu 9.10 will include OSG 2.8.1
05:28.39AAA_awrightThey are skipping 9.3?
05:29.32JeffMcurrent is 9.04
05:29.38JeffMso they passed 9.03
05:29.40AAA_awrighter
05:30.02MrDudlelol
05:31.05JeffMa 3 would be a dev one anyway
05:31.08JeffMreleases are even
05:32.08AAA_awrightI am trying to figure out what it is with Ubuntu and bloat, why is it needed as a release requirment?
05:32.54JeffMbecause when you rule as a group like that everyone gets there own little thing :)
05:32.59JeffMit's the open source way
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06:11.33temporalDfor what it's worth, I get the same errors after building OSG 2.8.1
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