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| 04:33.14 | JeffM | ok, navy hoodies and normal hats with this logo, http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/win2009emb/BlueSplat.png |
| 04:33.24 | JeffM | polos with this logo, http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/win2009emb/maroon.polo.png |
| 04:33.41 | JeffM | and green hoodies and military hats with this logo, http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/win2009emb/GreenGear.png |
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| 04:45.43 | JeffM | and we can even get L4m3r an orange one :) |
| 04:50.13 | L4m3r | orange what? |
| 04:52.30 | JeffM | hat |
| 04:52.48 | JeffM | to go with your orange shirt :) |
| 04:53.28 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:53.37 | L4m3r | nah, I need a black hat to go with my work uniform :P |
| 04:53.51 | JeffM | gonna make some black ones |
| 04:55.40 | JeffM | plan is to do 5 black squareed off caps out of the bunch |
| 04:56.07 | L4m3r | squared off? |
| 04:56.31 | JeffM | military style |
| 04:56.37 | JeffM | more like a can then a dome |
| 04:56.46 | JeffM | http://www.clothingwarehouse.com/district-threads-adult-distressed-military-hat-dt605.html |
| 04:57.08 | JeffM | tho we are doing some regular dome ones too, http://www.clothingwarehouse.com/district-threads-adult-distressed-cap-dt600.html |
| 05:09.44 | temporalD | "One Size Fits Most" is usually too small for my melon head |
| 05:14.28 | JeffM | think smaller thoughts :) |
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| 16:07.25 | tobylane | how do you use solo in config file, or however you summon bots |
| 16:08.41 | WarPig | solo is a command line option |
| 16:08.55 | tobylane | the wiki says they are interchangable |
| 16:09.21 | WarPig | FYI: If you join a public server and join a bunch of bots, you will likely be banned. |
| 16:09.52 | WarPig | It may be an option for your config file. I've never used it that way. |
| 16:09.53 | tobylane | im not, its private |
| 16:10.24 | tobylane | maybe it could be a future option in the ingame server starter |
| 16:10.47 | WarPig | I think the server already has the option to spawn bots. |
| 16:11.32 | tobylane | how do i log into admin |
| 16:12.35 | WarPig | specify a -passwd on the command line when starting the server |
| 16:12.43 | tobylane | then ingame? |
| 16:13.26 | WarPig | I think its '/passwd' but not sure. You can hit the 'o' key until it prompts you for it. |
| 16:13.31 | tobylane | ty |
| 16:13.36 | WarPig | np |
| 16:13.54 | tobylane | what does the o key originally do? i think i might have changed that |
| 16:15.02 | WarPig | It cycles through commonly used / commands (/lagstats, etc) |
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| 16:18.43 | tobylane | according to copyright law, people are allowed to copy, edit and share copywrited material for non-profit/educational/etc means, or something close, doesnt that apply to maps and free servers as well |
| 16:19.11 | tobylane | cos spoilsport ducatiwannabe put so much of the mw2 data like flags into the conf which i'd ask for without any luck |
| 16:20.54 | WarPig | If he holds the copyright he decides who gets to use his work. He can release all or part of his work for others if he chooses to do so. |
| 16:21.16 | WarPig | ...and, he can specify what they use it for. |
| 16:21.37 | WarPig | ...or, what they are ALLOWED to use it for, more specifically |
| 16:21.39 | tobylane | yeah, but copyright gives the reader/player rights too |
| 16:22.07 | WarPig | Depends on the copyright |
| 16:22.43 | WarPig | Many many copyrights say 'no part can be reproduced for any reason without permission'. |
| 16:22.47 | tobylane | US copyright, and whatever global convention there is |
| 16:26.49 | tobylane | nope just US and israli |
| 16:27.42 | WarPig | A brief scan of the US copyright site does not reveal any rights granted to the reader/user of copyrighted material. |
| 16:27.49 | tobylane | " Thus the copyright holder cannot use a non-binding disclaimer, or notification, to revoke the right of fair use on works. " |
| 16:27.58 | WarPig | http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#permission |
| 16:28.48 | WarPig | http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#change <-- if you are planning to modify MW2 |
| 16:29.03 | tobylane | thats all for profit |
| 16:29.10 | blast007 | I wouldn't see a problem with it for just private user |
| 16:29.16 | blast007 | just for private use* |
| 16:29.31 | WarPig | For profit, OR public display. |
| 16:29.53 | WarPig | You can do anything you want in the privacy of your mom's basement. |
| 16:30.01 | WarPig | :P |
| 16:30.01 | tobylane | can i have the conf file for private use please blast |
| 16:30.41 | blast007 | my config file doesn't have anything that specifies the flags |
| 16:31.01 | tobylane | with mine only wg showed |
| 16:31.11 | blast007 | let me pastebin the config block of the map though |
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| 16:31.37 | blast007 | tobylane: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d658cd9f |
| 16:31.56 | tobylane | ty |
| 16:32.17 | tobylane | so the /saveworld command doesnt save them? |
| 16:32.26 | blast007 | nope |
| 16:32.34 | tobylane | is that considered a bug |
| 16:32.36 | blast007 | the /saveworld command doesn't save the raw text of the map file |
| 16:32.37 | blast007 | no |
| 16:33.00 | blast007 | the /saveworld command only saves a representation of the map data that it has |
| 16:33.07 | blast007 | which does not include flags |
| 16:33.17 | tobylane | is that all the difference |
| 16:33.20 | blast007 | I think that world weapons might be included though |
| 16:33.26 | blast007 | comments will go away |
| 16:33.36 | blast007 | the order of stuff probably won't match |
| 16:33.41 | blast007 | but I don't really know exactly |
| 16:33.57 | blast007 | you'd have to look at what data actually gets packed and sent to the client |
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| 16:34.25 | tobylane | when the client gets a map, why is it 1kb per round trip |
| 16:34.26 | blast007 | the client just gets a binary blob of data with the map data |
| 16:34.37 | blast007 | because that's all we send per bzfs loop |
| 16:34.56 | tobylane | why |
| 16:35.06 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 16:35.23 | blast007 | I think our packet length limit is 1024 |
| 16:35.59 | tobylane | odd, it'd either max out ethernet, or be even more for sense on the internet |
| 16:37.18 | blast007 | I don't really deal with any of the networking side that much |
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| 16:37.37 | tobylane | if the team was paid, is there anything not worth replacing |
| 16:38.25 | blast007 | that's a big if |
| 16:38.36 | tobylane | so all of it then, thought so |
| 16:39.02 | blast007 | really not sure what you're referring to exactly anyway |
| 16:39.26 | blast007 | eventually it would be nice to have a real graphics engine |
| 16:39.32 | blast007 | but that's easier said than done |
| 16:39.34 | tobylane | basically if you didnt need to work and you had enough reason to do it, e.g. money, you'd rewrite it all because its all flawed in some way or another |
| 16:40.24 | blast007 | there are flaws, sure. but it's not *all* flawed |
| 16:45.13 | trepan | yes, it'd be a rewrite |
| 16:46.52 | trepan | and no, as blast007 says, it's not *all* flawed; there are occasionally 4-6 consecutive lines of code which don't suck ;) |
| 16:47.10 | tobylane | Comments after spellchecking |
| 16:47.17 | tobylane | anyway, bye, thanks |
| 16:47.28 | WarPig | facepalms |
| 16:50.17 | blast007 | trepan: hehe |
| 17:13.50 | BulletCatcher | I suspect the reason we send only one packet of map data per frame is to avoid (even temporary) flooding of the server's network link. |
| 17:13.51 | BulletCatcher | This may be a non-problem with modern hardware, but it helps assure that updates for current players are not delayed by sending a map to a new player. |
| 17:48.59 | trepan | either way, it's already a non-issue when a map is served via http |
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| 17:49.38 | trepan | and if folks want to make their 'raw' maps available, the new 'info' block can be used, or a faked texture URL |
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| 18:02.14 | scoaz | hi |
| 18:04.47 | scoaz | I recently upgraded to debian squeeze and bzflag does a bus error at startup |
| 18:04.49 | scoaz | http://paste-bin.com/view/399eefa8 |
| 18:06.04 | scoaz | I'm going to check later if it's due to the upgrade, I just wanted to know if anybody already reported this bug. |
| 18:07.01 | scoaz | (Last bug reports on the website are old) |
| 18:10.57 | trepan | did you compile it yourself? could you run it in gdb? |
| 18:14.55 | JeffM | what the heck are tungsten graphics? |
| 18:15.00 | JeffM | oh intel drivers |
| 18:15.02 | JeffM | ewwww |
| 18:18.54 | JeffM | usually bus errors are driver related |
| 18:20.40 | scoaz | trepan: I installed the debian package. |
| 18:20.49 | blast007 | could try blowing the config away too (or renaming it) |
| 18:20.56 | scoaz | Hum thanks JeffM. |
| 18:21.14 | blast007 | mv ~/.bzf ~/.bzf.old |
| 18:22.16 | scoaz | bus error again |
| 18:22.28 | scoaz | but he tested the performances. |
| 18:22.30 | JeffM | try glxgears |
| 18:22.55 | JeffM | you probalby have older buggy drivers and need to update them |
| 18:22.57 | scoaz | 742 FPS |
| 18:23.07 | JeffM | intel drivers are notoriously horrible |
| 18:23.09 | scoaz | I though I had more oO |
| 18:23.23 | JeffM | it a laptop? |
| 18:23.26 | blast007 | maybe you need older ones then ;) |
| 18:23.40 | scoaz | No a HP dc7900 |
| 18:23.53 | JeffM | put a real card in that thing and have less problems :) |
| 18:23.58 | trepan | try: gdb bzflag |
| 18:24.36 | trepan | then 'run'; and when it crashes, 'bt full' |
| 18:24.45 | trepan | (even without the debugging symbols) |
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| 18:27.24 | scoaz | sorry x) |
| 18:28.11 | scoaz | I didn't mentioned that bzflag display a black screen with some text on the righ (start, and stuff) |
| 18:28.41 | JeffM | did you do what trepan said? |
| 18:28.41 | scoaz | and I have to ctrl+alt+f1 and then come back to my X display to get it away |
| 18:28.47 | scoaz | with gdb |
| 18:28.56 | scoaz | the black screen won't leave |
| 18:29.01 | JeffM | is the output that he wants |
| 18:29.19 | JeffM | really sounds like driver to me |
| 18:30.21 | trepan | try: gdb --args bzflag -window |
| 18:30.26 | scoaz | Ok. well, I guess I just have to wait for new ones or to downgrade them. |
| 18:31.28 | trepan | (-window might help even with not running in gdb...) |
| 18:31.44 | JeffM | yeah if the problem is the driver fullscreen swap |
| 18:31.46 | scoaz | strange |
| 18:31.54 | scoaz | he doesn't start know |
| 18:31.56 | scoaz | now* |
| 18:32.02 | scoaz | Starting program: /usr/games/bzflag |
| 18:32.03 | scoaz | [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] |
| 18:32.05 | scoaz | >_> |
| 18:32.24 | scoaz | without gdb it still fail |
| 18:32.47 | scoaz | what the hell, nothing happen. |
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| 18:33.33 | JeffM | try removing your config again |
| 18:34.08 | scoaz | Hum maybe... I just restarted my X server so the last upgrade I did is now effective. |
| 18:35.25 | scoaz | I think I should restart my computer. |
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| 18:36.13 | scoaz | (that was stupid, my irc client is on a remove pc...) |
| 18:38.09 | scoaz | remote* |
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| 18:39.57 | scoaz | nothing changed. Well. |
| 18:40.08 | scoaz | I'm going to check the driver. |
| 18:40.25 | scoaz | See if I can downgrade or upgrade them. |
| 18:40.44 | JeffM | you'd be a lot better off with a real card if you can get on in there |
| 18:40.52 | JeffM | a cheap nvidia or something |
| 18:41.04 | scoaz | it's not my pc. |
| 18:41.13 | JeffM | so ? :) |
| 18:41.24 | JeffM | be kind and throw a 20$ card in it :) |
| 18:41.24 | blast007 | 2 full-height PCIe x16 :) |
| 18:41.37 | scoaz | I'm at school :p |
| 18:41.44 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:41.49 | JeffM | then why are you playing games at school? |
| 18:41.52 | JeffM | get to work ;) |
| 18:45.18 | scoaz | You'r right. |
| 18:45.51 | scoaz | Thanks a lot for your help, I will try other drivers. Cya o/ |
| 18:47.38 | JeffM | brlcad: you see the logo ideas I put up? |
| 18:52.17 | brlcad | not yet |
| 18:52.23 | brlcad | just got back from lunch |
| 18:58.18 | JeffM | fun |
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| 20:38.25 | zomane | hey all |
| 20:38.49 | blast007 | hi |
| 20:40.59 | zomane | someone from europe, especially eastern here and orders t-shirts from bzflag store ? |
| 20:41.37 | zomane | i'm wondering how much time takes t-shirt to came here? |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM | bout a week usualy |
| 20:42.00 | JeffM | did you get your tracking number? |
| 20:42.17 | zomane | i get this from usps |
| 20:42.26 | zomane | Electronic Shipping MOORPARK CA 93021 11/14/09 4:24am |
| 20:42.32 | zomane | LJ63 8249 765U S |
| 20:42.41 | JeffM | well that means I sent it |
| 20:42.47 | zomane | oh ok |
| 20:43.16 | JeffM | if you got the tracking number that means that the shipping label was made, and I have no outstanding orders so it must be in the mail |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM | did you check the address on the order, it'd be part of your paypal recepit |
| 20:43.52 | zomane | usps works good but or mail service is ... lets say slow |
| 20:43.59 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:44.06 | JeffM | maybe it's waiting with them then |
| 20:44.14 | zomane | i'm still didnt get any notification |
| 20:44.38 | zomane | ill go to postoffice tomorow |
| 20:44.50 | zomane | this is my first order from US |
| 20:45.03 | zomane | thats why i'm asking |
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| 20:45.12 | ruskie | don't forget that it needs to hit customs frirst |
| 20:45.19 | JeffM | yeah it would |
| 20:45.28 | JeffM | double check the address on your order too |
| 20:45.31 | ruskie | and there it can take $random amount of time |
| 20:45.35 | JeffM | I only ship to what is in paypal |
| 20:46.21 | zomane | customs for two t-shirts, limit here is $80 |
| 20:46.27 | ruskie | zomane, doesn't matter |
| 20:46.31 | ruskie | they need to inspect it |
| 20:46.51 | ruskie | I think it took around a week for me to get from Jeff to me |
| 20:46.57 | zomane | I checked address JeffM it ok |
| 20:47.03 | JeffM | ok |
| 20:47.10 | JeffM | then yeah I dunno |
| 20:47.27 | zomane | looks like our bureaucracy(customs) |
| 20:47.31 | JeffM | it's all in a single envelope shouddn't be to hard for em |
| 20:47.33 | zomane | are guilty |
| 20:47.40 | ruskie | shouldn't yeah ;) |
| 20:48.13 | ruskie | I'm actually amazed that nobody cracked the bzflag CD in that package |
| 20:48.16 | JeffM | I stooped using the tyvec bags for Europe they seemed to take longer. |
| 20:48.22 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:48.25 | JeffM | I did wrap it up |
| 20:48.29 | ruskie | true |
| 20:48.40 | ruskie | but the things that happen to those can be nasty |
| 20:48.57 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:49.22 | ruskie | friend of mine told me a story... they have like a pipe style mailbox... so the mailman in his infinet wisdom went and forced a cd in... I take it you can guess what came out at the end |
| 20:49.53 | JeffM | ouch |
| 20:50.58 | zomane | my colleague ordered a camera |
| 20:51.11 | zomane | and get couple stones :) |
| 20:52.28 | zomane | strange thing happens when package comes in eastern europe |
| 20:53.10 | ruskie | I'm guessing the seller was the start of the scam so doesn't matter what came at the end |
| 20:54.00 | zomane | it was ordered from ebay from guy with good reputation |
| 20:54.50 | ruskie | easy to do... especially since iirc ebay stopped any other kind of reputation but good |
| 20:55.40 | zomane | maybe you are right |
| 20:56.07 | ruskie | never bought anything off of ebay |
| 20:56.26 | zomane | hope that my t-shirts waiting for me in postoffice.. i hate our customs |
| 20:57.02 | ruskie | either I go to a local store, a local webstore(since they all offer CoD) or order from companies abroad - that's still risky but so far had good luck with it |
| 20:57.03 | zomane | they are slow and nasty always trying to get money from you for everything |
| 20:57.14 | JeffM | I hope it's there too |
| 20:57.24 | JeffM | so far we've never had a package not get to the user |
| 20:57.32 | JeffM | even the one I put the wrong country on :) |
| 20:57.39 | zomane | :) |
| 20:57.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:58.15 | blast007 | ruskie: they stopped allowing sellers to leave negative feedback for a buyer, iirc |
| 20:58.28 | ruskie | I think that was pure luck back then |
| 20:58.30 | zomane | to buy some things here locally is impossible sometimes |
| 20:59.28 | ruskie | I actually lost a package from .nl once... but at the time I was expecting two idiots robbed a postman and got off with one mailbag |
| 20:59.40 | ruskie | s/two/it two/ |
| 20:59.42 | JeffM | if we sold a lot more I'd split our orders and ship a bunch of stuff to someone in germany and have them ship it out |
| 20:59.55 | ruskie | that would make sense |
| 21:03.43 | zomane | JeffM why new store doesn't have size "table" ? when i ordered my t-shirt i googled alot to find good enough size comparission chart |
| 21:04.12 | zomane | and i'm still wondering is L is big enought for me |
| 21:04.35 | zomane | here every L is different :) |
| 21:05.13 | zomane | to L t-shirts are with big differences between them :) |
| 21:05.20 | zomane | to=two |
| 21:07.07 | JeffM | because I am lazy |
| 21:07.11 | JeffM | the old store broke |
| 21:07.17 | JeffM | and i put that up just to have something |
| 21:07.26 | JeffM | I'm going to redo it all when we get our next order |
| 21:08.30 | JeffM | I could redo zencart, or use another third party one, or just use the store system I wrote for my dad |
| 21:09.59 | zomane | :) |
| 21:10.40 | zomane | laziness is big problem always :) |
| 21:11.00 | JeffM | we don't have that many shirts left to sell so it wasn't a big deal |
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| 21:14.14 | JeffM | it's going to be fun to figure out how to ship the hats and hoodies to europe |
| 21:14.19 | JeffM | probably going to have to use boxes |
| 21:16.33 | zomane | hats are nice idea :) |
| 21:19.06 | JeffM | we made 6 before |
| 21:19.11 | JeffM | they were ok |
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