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| 01:07.34 | temporalD | ~pastebin |
| 01:07.35 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 01:50.15 | rathomas_ | cheater "Bacons" at R3lax Bloodbath. Auto-cap, can't kill. Not enough reg'd players to pollban :( |
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| 03:58.43 | MacGyverXI | hi all |
| 03:58.54 | MacGyverXI | anyone seen Zaphod around? |
| 03:59.32 | AAA_awright | ~seen Zaphod |
| 03:59.34 | ibot | zaphod <n=zaphod@e180067164.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 254d 9h 13m 42s ago, saying: 'hmm'. |
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| 14:32.12 | TheRedBaron | ah |
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| 16:29.56 | fahadsadah | joevano: Hi! |
| 16:30.08 | joevano | hi fahadsadah |
| 16:30.12 | joevano | welcome |
| 16:30.39 | fahadsadah | I'm just perusing the wiki atm |
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| 17:53.11 | thefirstdude | I have a flat mesh on Z 100, then I have a mesh open ended box that goes up to z 00, I can see the walls of the box through the flat mesh...is this what I use noculling for? |
| 17:56.05 | thefirstdude | nvm, upon further research...is there a solution |
| 18:04.26 | thefirstdude | noculling doesnt even work |
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| 18:15.26 | blast007 | thefirstdude: "there is" or "is there" ? |
| 18:16.28 | thefirstdude | is there, my brother says it's low 'z quality' and has to do with opengl |
| 18:16.46 | JeffM | low z? |
| 18:17.04 | JeffM | is he talking about 16 bit depth buffers? |
| 18:17.24 | blast007 | he's got a flat mesh at Z 100 and then another object that is going up to Z of 100, and it shows through the flat mesh |
| 18:17.56 | JeffM | oh z fighiting |
| 18:18.08 | JeffM | that's not a quality issue |
| 18:18.10 | thefirstdude | I put a mesh like .1 behind another and looking atit from the front it mixes in more of the 'not suposed to see' mesh as I get further away |
| 18:18.12 | JeffM | it's a math issue |
| 18:18.15 | blast007 | they're basically intersecting, which is why it shows through |
| 18:18.21 | JeffM | .1 seems big |
| 18:18.32 | thefirstdude | they are not touching though |
| 18:18.34 | JeffM | tho it depends on the distance |
| 18:18.44 | JeffM | what video card do you have? |
| 18:19.05 | thefirstdude | intel graphics media accelerator ;P |
| 18:19.10 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 18:19.15 | thefirstdude | I have a dell laptop |
| 18:19.33 | JeffM | that is not the answer to my question |
| 18:19.38 | JeffM | ahh intel |
| 18:19.46 | JeffM | yeah you are going to have low quality depth buffers |
| 18:20.02 | JeffM | are you running in 16 bit or 32 bit color? |
| 18:20.05 | thefirstdude | if I get really far away it shows more of the background texture than the foreground |
| 18:20.26 | thefirstdude | probably 32 |
| 18:20.26 | JeffM | yeah that's the nature of a non linear depth buffer. |
| 18:20.33 | JeffM | you sure? |
| 18:20.38 | JeffM | cus it soulds like 16 |
| 18:20.45 | thefirstdude | so I should not worry about it...most ppl won't see this problem? |
| 18:20.52 | JeffM | but some intel chips always do 16 no mater what you ask for |
| 18:20.55 | JeffM | some may |
| 18:21.02 | JeffM | depends on how they are set up |
| 18:21.02 | blast007 | a lot of people have crappy graphics |
| 18:21.06 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:21.21 | JeffM | 3.0 has some better z fighting settings |
| 18:21.32 | thefirstdude | display settings -> Color Quality 32 Bit |
| 18:21.44 | JeffM | tho I don't think we draw back to front, as that would be optimal |
| 18:23.56 | thefirstdude | ok, I will have a nice sized "gap" then |
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| 18:48.42 | trepan | i added the `depthoffset' (aka: glPolygonOffset) and `order' material properties to SVN, and the AntiFlicker option (although that doesn't really fix z-fighting, it just masks it by aligning textures) |
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| 19:07.22 | JeffM | what was the IP of that dude that just came and left? |
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| 19:09.57 | JeffM | bahh |
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| 19:10.54 | me1 | JeffM, *!*@77.127.144.80 |
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| 19:11.19 | JeffM | there we go |
| 19:11.29 | me1 | we've been getting a lot of attacks lately |
| 19:11.37 | JeffM | it's not just us |
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| 19:22.36 | blast007 | JeffM: in two days the ircd will be swapped and then those specific attacks will go away |
| 19:27.02 | JeffM | ahh cool |
| 19:28.51 | jorgenpt | It |
| 19:28.53 | jorgenpt | s pretty silly |
| 19:29.04 | jorgenpt | Supposedly it's using HTTP POST from JS |
| 19:29.15 | JeffM | see java is evil |
| 19:29.17 | JeffM | ;) |
| 19:31.46 | blast007 | javascript, not JS |
| 19:31.53 | blast007 | not java* |
| 19:32.19 | JeffM | it's all coffie based |
| 19:32.23 | JeffM | and coffie is evil |
| 19:32.52 | blast007 | basically the ircd just ignores bad messages, like, say ... an HTTP POST or HTTP headers |
| 19:33.12 | blast007 | so they're injecting the IRC protocol into a form item, and the irc server just accepts it |
| 19:33.24 | JeffM | nice... |
| 19:33.46 | blast007 | and then the user that hits the page is that one that commits the spam attack, and they get banned ;) |
| 19:33.46 | JeffM | so what's that get em just a bigger group of people to spam them? |
| 19:33.52 | JeffM | ahh |
| 19:34.10 | JeffM | wonder what pages they use |
| 19:34.33 | blast007 | each time you hit the page, it brings up three instances of their page, which each connect to a random channel and spam the link, which more people click on |
| 19:34.46 | JeffM | ahh |
| 19:34.57 | JeffM | kinda clever |
| 19:35.07 | blast007 | yeah, it's actually rather impressive |
| 19:35.18 | blast007 | the new ircd will block that kind of thing from happening though |
| 19:35.26 | JeffM | why do people hate freenode so much? |
| 19:35.40 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 19:35.56 | blast007 | cuz they don't let them run their botnet from a freenode channel! |
| 19:36.04 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:36.11 | JeffM | yeah not like there arn't other places to do that |
| 19:36.15 | JeffM | LOTS of other places |
| 19:36.36 | JeffM | would controll a botnet via RSS feeds |
| 19:37.07 | JeffM | then agrigate them over a ton of blogs :) |
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| 19:42.36 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:09.42 | Manu | JeffM: they are using different hosts to attack along the day so a ban is not very useful ;) |
| 20:18.00 | blast007 | /mode +R solve that if it gets too bad |
| 20:18.04 | blast007 | solves* |
| 20:19.38 | Manu | yes |
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| 20:35.17 | thefirstdude | experimenting more on the flag zone stuff from yesterday it appears that indorrder for it to work there can't be a mesh within 10 world units above it |
| 20:36.25 | thefirstdude | once the space is 10, in no longer works |
| 20:43.40 | JeffM | I say we just mode R for 2 days then |
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| 20:44.30 | thefirstdude | what is mode r? |
| 20:44.41 | me1 | you hvae to be registered to speak |
| 20:44.41 | JeffM | reg only can talk |
| 20:44.55 | thefirstdude | oh, like #python... |
| 20:45.49 | thefirstdude | so I should say on http://my.bzflag.org/w/Zone that flag zones need more than 10 z clearance? |
| 20:46.19 | JeffM | I'd have it cheked out in code first |
| 20:46.25 | JeffM | so you know if that is the hard rule |
| 20:49.28 | thefirstdude | can you give me a link to the cxx/h/c file that it is in in online repo? |
| 20:49.35 | thefirstdude | please |
| 20:49.36 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:49.50 | thefirstdude | ok, I will just look for it then |
| 20:51.20 | JeffM | the zone itself just uses the position in Z for the random point |
| 20:51.47 | JeffM | so I don't think what oyu are encoutering is a property of the zone itself, but more of the drop geo |
| 20:52.15 | thefirstdude | well, when I have clearance of 10 or less...not work...10.0001 or more, it works |
| 20:52.29 | thefirstdude | I should be looking in bzfs..correct? |
| 20:52.40 | JeffM | I'm not dicounting what you are seeing, I'm just saying that it may not be a function of the ZONE |
| 20:52.52 | JeffM | but more a function of the drop code |
| 20:52.56 | JeffM | what is your flag height set to? |
| 20:53.00 | thefirstdude | DropGeometry.h...probably what I am looking for :D |
| 20:53.22 | thefirstdude | 10.... |
| 20:53.24 | thefirstdude | OMG |
| 20:53.31 | JeffM | ;) |
| 20:53.57 | JeffM | yes you must have enough height to clear your flag height for a flag to drop in any location |
| 20:54.00 | JeffM | zone or not |
| 20:54.28 | JeffM | so it's not a feature of the zone, it's that you have an imcompatable flag height |
| 20:54.33 | thefirstdude | so in wiki I will say, make sure you have enough space, default flag height is 10..I hope that will help other ppl :) |
| 20:54.44 | JeffM | I'll take care of it |
| 20:54.49 | JeffM | it's not a zone thing |
| 20:55.13 | JeffM | I will mention the Z that is used |
| 20:55.51 | JeffM | people can hit this problem with out using a zone |
| 20:56.36 | thefirstdude | true |
| 21:01.56 | JeffM | all fixed |
| 21:02.04 | JeffM | hugs CIA-71 |
| 21:02.11 | JeffM | :/ |
| 21:02.24 | blast007 | maybe it died from all the CTCP spam ;) |
| 21:02.30 | JeffM | probably |
| 21:03.28 | JeffM | updated zone and world info pages, it should be a little more clear now that zones don't set spawns, but sugest them |
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| 21:14.21 | thefirstdude | the next question that begs an answer is why are flags default height set to 10 |
| 21:14.51 | JeffM | when they get zapped that's how far they fell from |
| 21:15.15 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 21:15.22 | JeffM | the defaults are setup for normal random maps |
| 21:15.28 | JeffM | flat |
| 21:16.23 | JeffM | the general idea is to be able to run bzfs with no options and connect to a playable game |
| 21:20.53 | thefirstdude | oh |
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| 21:27.09 | R0b0t1 | an |
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| 22:31.07 | JeffM | gota love a freenode faq that dosn't answer it's own question :) |
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| 22:39.54 | thefirstdude | I thought when you used zoneflag, the flag always went back to the zone when dropped..do I need to set a bzfs flag or something to do that? |
| 22:40.13 | me1 | _maxFlagGrabs |
| 22:40.25 | me1 | set that to one, and it'll respawn after dropped |
| 22:40.44 | me1 | set it to 4, it'll respawn after 4 grabs |
| 22:40.47 | me1 | etc. |
| 22:40.48 | thefirstdude | I wonder what 0 would do |
| 22:40.52 | me1 | dunno |
| 22:40.54 | me1 | try it ;p |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM | probalby the same as one |
| 22:41.53 | thefirstdude | just tried it..yeh same as one |
| 22:42.10 | JeffM | I belive it's checked on drop |
| 22:42.18 | JeffM | so when you drop it it's over the limit |
| 22:42.25 | JeffM | it just happens to be over the limit by 2 not one |
| 22:42.47 | thefirstdude | but I'm sure bzflag doesn't care :) |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM | the logic is just >= limit |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM | both numbers fit the bill |
| 22:50.58 | delusional | "<me1> set it to 4, it'll respawn after 4 grabs" that's not how it works, set it to 4, and it's a 1 out of 4 chance that it will be re-placed. |
| 22:51.18 | me1 | orly? |
| 22:51.18 | delusional | each time it is dropped |
| 22:51.19 | me1 | neat |
| 22:53.36 | JeffM | that's a poorly named variable then |
| 22:53.54 | JeffM | that'd be flagZapChance |
| 22:53.55 | delusional | i would prefer it if the randomness was removed |
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| 22:54.10 | JeffM | yeah it really should be a hard count if it's named MAX |
| 22:55.34 | delusional | it's not a zap.... it's a reset. A zap is when it's placed in a certain spot, like zoneflag |
| 22:55.58 | JeffM | they are both zaps, one is a zap with a possition :) |
| 22:56.11 | JeffM | they use the same code guts IIRC |
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| 23:10.15 | thefirstdude | I suck at texturing! |
| 23:12.27 | JeffM | you mean drawing them? or UV maping them? |
| 23:17.14 | thefirstdude | maping in blender |
| 23:17.45 | thefirstdude | it's tempting to just select everything and do project from view |
| 23:18.02 | JeffM | it should have some good tools for that |
| 23:18.05 | JeffM | you just need to learn them |
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| 23:26.04 | blast007 | me1 / thefirstdude: iirc, _maxFlagGrabs is the *maximum* that a flag can be grabbed (it is randomly picked between 1 grab and _maxFlagGrabs grabs) |
| 23:26.23 | blast007 | nvm, guess delusional mentioned that already |
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| 23:27.58 | JeffM | probaby should have 2 variables, one for a hard cap, and one for the % chance of repop in that cap |
| 23:29.34 | thefirstdude | I hope you are not reading everything I wrote within the last year ;) |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM | who would be that bored? |
| 23:31.54 | thefirstdude | my grandma |
| 23:32.32 | JeffM | and she's in this channel? |
| 23:32.35 | thefirstdude | she was smoker...now she needs to take like 40 pills a day and lays in bed all day because she is REALLY weak |
| 23:32.46 | thefirstdude | ...maybe ;) |
| 23:32.58 | JeffM | doubtful |
| 23:36.38 | JeffM | and that's TMI man |
| 23:40.40 | JeffM | yay, only 46 more errors to go :) |
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