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| 00:04.23 | Constitution | JefferyM: looks like whatever build issue I had before I can't reproduce now, so I think mac is good to go |
| 00:05.02 | JefferyM | Constitution, cool |
| 00:05.10 | Constitution | making a unibin requires building separately on each architecture and manually combining the two binaries, since apparently there is some byte-ordering problem when cross-compiling |
| 00:05.22 | JefferyM | do we really need to? |
| 00:05.35 | JefferyM | can't the ppc users just keep using .10? |
| 00:05.39 | Constitution | also, it's no additional work to include support for 10.3, so I figure we might as well |
| 00:05.44 | JefferyM | I mean they are kinda gonna get phased out |
| 00:05.48 | Constitution | it would be nice... |
| 00:06.08 | JefferyM | is it simpler to have it be 2 builds? |
| 00:06.12 | Constitution | there are still a lot of ppc machines out there, and apple JUST discontinued making operating systems for them |
| 00:06.41 | JefferyM | well we don't need to do 10.2 like we did last time I think |
| 00:07.02 | Constitution | if it is simpler, it would be negligible... unibin is the preferred method |
| 00:07.02 | JefferyM | I just don't want the mac build to take weeks and weeks like it has done before |
| 00:07.07 | JefferyM | ok |
| 00:07.59 | Constitution | it shouldn't take weeks... it can probably be whipped together in one evening |
| 00:08.12 | Constitution | we still shooting for the 15th? |
| 00:08.28 | JefferyM | I was hoping to get it tagged this weekend |
| 00:09.22 | Constitution | I have a nice new disk image background from Winny too |
| 00:09.36 | JefferyM | acording to SF it took 3 months for the mac build to get posted (unless it was just updated later ) for .10 |
| 00:09.37 | brlcad | to see? |
| 00:10.02 | JefferyM | indeed, show us :) |
| 00:10.35 | brlcad | 10.2 is doa, we promised that was the last (and it IS a royal pita) |
| 00:10.56 | JefferyM | yeah the process you described to me did not sound fun or fast |
| 00:10.57 | brlcad | 10.2 was the main reason the dmg was so simple |
| 00:11.18 | JefferyM | I'll trust you two to work it out |
| 00:11.31 | JefferyM | can you also commit the DMG too? |
| 00:11.38 | JefferyM | or whatever is needed to make it |
| 00:13.50 | Constitution | there's really nothing to commit for the DMG... the only think I could think of would be the background image |
| 00:14.28 | Constitution | it's just an ordinary disk image with a special setting to make the window pop open automatically when it loads |
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| 00:15.56 | JefferyM | then perhaps the image and some docs on the steps to make it? |
| 00:16.06 | JefferyM | just something to keep the process in history |
| 00:16.14 | JefferyM | maybe mention the names of the dirs and stuff |
| 00:16.21 | JefferyM | cus it should have the docs too |
| 00:16.25 | JefferyM | and maybe extras |
| 00:17.11 | JefferyM | is just not a big fan of "Mystic" processes |
| 00:18.06 | brlcad | I have a script that generates the dmg and does all the steps, but it's out of date |
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| 00:24.00 | Constitution | how nice would it be if we just had to click Build->Release in Xcode :D |
| 00:28.34 | brlcad | Constitution: didn't used to be too far from that |
| 00:28.38 | brlcad | but it was a pita to maintain |
| 00:28.47 | brlcad | duplicated effort |
| 00:29.18 | brlcad | but yeah, it wasn't all the way to the dmg, that would be a nice touch |
| 00:29.33 | Constitution | perhaps it would be worth it for the simplicity |
| 00:29.56 | Constitution | we do effectively the same thing for windows right now, right? |
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| 00:31.42 | brlcad | with nsis, it does quite a bit |
| 00:31.48 | brlcad | but not all automatic there either iirc |
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| 00:32.25 | brlcad | not really a big deal either way given our release rate .. if it was monthly, maybe |
| 00:32.41 | Constitution | true |
| 00:32.46 | brlcad | even then, the "time savings" would be dubious, it'd just make things simple not necessarily save time |
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| 00:51.52 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20804 10/trunk/bzflag/ (1131 files in 81 dirs): welcoming in the year of the tiger!.. two days early. updating copyright to 2010 and saving 2 bytes per file. |
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| 01:10.21 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20805 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (762 files in 31 dirs): do the same on the branch, welcoming in the year of the tiger!.. two days early. updating copyright to 2010, saving 2 bytes per file, and skipping 2009. it apparently did not happen. |
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| 01:15.08 | JefferyM | goes out to see if he can buy a PS3 |
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| 01:30.11 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20806 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/touchcopyright: update the script, even if we didn't use it. |
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| 02:45.06 | JeffM2501 | hmmmm... sony or philips...... |
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| 02:45.49 | Landon__ | Which has the better warranty :P |
| 02:45.56 | JeffM2501 | same |
| 02:46.41 | Landon__ | Price difference? Quality? |
| 02:46.49 | JeffM2501 | same price |
| 02:46.52 | JeffM2501 | quality us unknown |
| 02:46.55 | JeffM2501 | both review well |
| 02:47.20 | Landon__ | Is it a tv? |
| 02:47.38 | JeffM2501 | home theater in a box |
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| 03:01.36 | trepan | prettier packaging? |
| 03:01.48 | JeffM2501 | brown vs white box :) |
| 03:02.31 | trepan | decides not to touch that one... |
| 03:03.19 | me1 | which one is bigger? |
| 03:04.05 | JeffM2501 | that I dunno |
| 03:11.30 | Think_Differentl | HTIB? |
| 03:14.23 | JeffM2501 | it's a little 5.1 system with an upscaling dvd |
| 03:21.47 | JeffM2501 | ok, old font |
| 03:21.48 | JeffM2501 | http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/old.png |
| 03:21.59 | JeffM2501 | new font, http://www.awesomelaser.com/tmp/new.png |
| 03:22.04 | JeffM2501 | better? |
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| 03:22.18 | me1 | it's all smooth and pretty |
| 03:22.40 | JeffM2501 | I can't do much better with out code changes as we can't do a font larger the 32 pixels |
| 03:23.00 | me1 | what's teh difference between the two? |
| 03:23.08 | JeffM2501 | how I rendered them |
| 03:23.23 | JeffM2501 | when I did the first set for tim when he had to redo the fonts I cheezed out |
| 03:23.38 | JeffM2501 | this time I went to XP and turned off the subpixel smothing |
| 03:25.00 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20808 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/data/fonts/ (24 files): Update fonts with better rendered versions |
| 03:25.59 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20809 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/data/fonts/ (10 files): Add more sizes of fonts for better display |
| 03:30.17 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20810 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/data/fonts/Makefile.am: add new fonts |
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| 04:38.00 | brlcad | trepan: you don't touch boxes? :) |
| 04:42.48 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20811 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/BeOSWindow2.cxx: remove old incomplete (secondary) Be implementation |
| 04:43.04 | JeffM2501 | haha finaly? |
| 04:46.31 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20812 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add files missing from the dist |
| 04:50.32 | blast007 | JeffM2501: going through the readme right now |
| 04:50.39 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:50.41 | blast007 | should I even mention anything about RAM requirements? |
| 04:50.55 | JeffM2501 | naw I don't think they are signifigant |
| 04:50.57 | blast007 | since I would think the minimum RAM for our supported OS would be fine |
| 04:51.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:51.00 | blast007 | k |
| 04:56.30 | brlcad | JeffM2501: it was a duplicate file |
| 04:57.02 | brlcad | there is still a be interface, which I believe works on the new Haiku OS too |
| 04:58.07 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:59.31 | blast007 | http://pastebin.ca/1795045 <-- how does that sound? not sure I totally like the wording. |
| 05:00.21 | JeffM2501 | BZFlag wiil run on Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 systems, with limited support for Windows 2000. |
| 05:00.28 | blast007 | k |
| 05:00.33 | JeffM2501 | sorry take 2000 out of the first one |
| 05:00.39 | JeffM2501 | just leave it at the end |
| 05:00.46 | JeffM2501 | we know it runs on XP/Vista/7 |
| 05:01.04 | JeffM2501 | I'll just redo it in on pAStebin |
| 05:01.06 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 05:01.33 | blast007 | ok |
| 05:03.08 | JeffM2501 | http://pastebin.ca/1795046 |
| 05:04.13 | JeffM2501 | passive tense FTL ;) |
| 05:06.53 | blast007 | hehe, is matrix and SiS still considered common chipsets? ;) |
| 05:07.06 | blast007 | matrox* |
| 05:07.11 | JeffM2501 | oh god |
| 05:07.23 | JeffM2501 | we should menion nvidia and ATI |
| 05:07.26 | JeffM2501 | and moc intel |
| 05:07.30 | JeffM2501 | mock |
| 05:07.39 | blast007 | nvidia and ATI are there already |
| 05:07.52 | JeffM2501 | other then intel we can ignore the others |
| 05:09.59 | JeffM2501 | it's even hard to justify saying 'hardware acceelerated' anymore as that's pretty much default |
| 05:10.52 | blast007 | yeah, I was just gonna list the company names |
| 05:11.05 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20813 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: cannot include the python wrap files when that interface is not being compiled. make extra dist conditional on BUILT_SOURCES instead (which will be empty when the python wrap is not compiled). |
| 05:11.48 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20814 10/trunk/bzflag/doc/ (9 files in 9 dirs): a lot more files missing from the source dist |
| 05:14.22 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, can you do the date change? |
| 05:14.32 | JeffM2501 | if you are bustin out commits ;) |
| 05:16.13 | brlcad | what date change? |
| 05:16.16 | blast007 | the copyright flood? |
| 05:16.19 | blast007 | he already did that |
| 05:16.19 | JeffM2501 | 2010 |
| 05:16.22 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:16.24 | brlcad | you missed that |
| 05:16.32 | brlcad | hours ago dude |
| 05:16.47 | JeffM2501 | he said he was gonna do it sautday |
| 05:16.49 | JeffM2501 | so I didn't look :) |
| 05:17.01 | JeffM2501 | and I was out lookin at home theater crap :) |
| 05:28.48 | blast007 | a lot of the readme could probably just be replaced with a link to the "Getting Started" page on the wiki ;) |
| 05:28.58 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6925 10/w/BZFlag_2.0.14: fonts and copyright done |
| 05:33.44 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20815 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: liblua is not in the srcdir, it's in the builddir (does nobody distcheck?) |
| 05:37.02 | JeffM2501 | has branch been distchecked? |
| 05:38.18 | brlcad | branch doesn't do quite as much validation as trunk, but not likely it has as many issues |
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| 05:46.01 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20816 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/README.win32.html: First pass at updating the Win32 Readme. Updated system requirements, list of video chipsets, and homepage URL. |
| 06:02.38 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20817 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/README.win32.html: Add a bit of CSS to make it look nicer and get rid of the <font> tags. |
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| 17:57.07 | jeffm | BulletCatcher: you get a chance to look at the new fonts? |
| 18:00.16 | jeffm | man a ps3 reboots more times then a PC during updates |
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| 18:22.33 | blast007 | jeffm: wasn't sure about the last paragraph in the "graphics" trouble section, the one about brightness: https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/README.win32.html |
| 18:26.44 | blast007 | I removed a lot of the network troubleshooting stuff since I thought it would just be confusing (start a server, then try to connect to it. etc etc) |
| 18:31.01 | jeffm | reads |
| 18:31.56 | jeffm | yeah that brightness stuff is lame |
| 18:32.11 | jeffm | I'd just say "if the game looks too dark when playing, adust the brightness slider" |
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| 18:46.36 | BulletCatcher | jeffm: The fonts look great now. Thanks very much. |
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| 18:53.13 | blast007 | jeffm: ok |
| 18:53.27 | jeffm | BulletCatcher: cool, I did them on XP with cleartype off |
| 18:57.38 | BulletCatcher | Here's hoping we'll never have to do that again. |
| 18:58.53 | BulletCatcher | Truetype fonts in trunk FTW. |
| 18:59.01 | jeffm | yeah |
| 18:59.19 | jeffm | the old font system was limited to 32 pixel high fonts as well |
| 18:59.37 | jeffm | I tried to do 36 and 48 but it freaks when the texture gets over a specific size |
| 19:05.32 | BulletCatcher | 32 pixel fonts are fine on my 92 dpi display. I doubt there are many with significantly higher density where more pixels would be needed. |
| 19:05.52 | jeffm | it's not density it's size |
| 19:05.59 | jeffm | as we scale up for big displays |
| 19:06.04 | jeffm | what resol,ution do you run? |
| 19:06.26 | jeffm | cus at big reses the main menu fonts get pretty tall in pixels |
| 19:07.14 | BulletCatcher | But even the big displays typically are no more than 1200 pixels high, regardless of their physical size. |
| 19:08.10 | jeffm | not true when you get over 24 inch |
| 19:08.19 | jeffm | 28's an 30's |
| 19:08.24 | jeffm | but it's minor |
| 19:08.37 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I haven't paid attention to their specs. |
| 19:10.18 | BulletCatcher | At work we have a "tile wall" of something like 8x8 1280x1024 displays that I want to try running BZFlag on sometime. For something like that biggers fonts will really help. |
| 19:13.32 | blast007 | jeffm: okay, I have the readme all updated and pushed into branch now :) |
| 19:14.16 | jeffm | cool |
| 19:15.41 | jeffm | so what else we got? a dist check and a manpage review? |
| 19:19.36 | BulletCatcher | I want to get some more things into the changelog. I am doing a diff from 2.0.12 to see what has been overlooked. |
| 19:21.33 | BulletCatcher | Also, it appears that if we build the final tarball on a system with libtool 1.5 rather than 2.2 then it will work more cleanly on systems with the older version. |
| 19:29.44 | jeffm | ok |
| 19:31.16 | jeffm | do you think that will be ready by tomorow? |
| 19:31.43 | BulletCatcher | I am looking at the diffs right now, so yes. |
| 19:33.18 | jeffm | cool |
| 19:35.16 | BulletCatcher | Should the ChangeLog entries for 2.0.13 be put into the 2.0.14 section? |
| 19:35.49 | jeffm | yeah |
| 19:36.03 | jeffm | 13 should never have been released |
| 19:36.12 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I'll do that when I make other changes. |
| 19:36.15 | jeffm | so we should recon it out of existance |
| 19:49.07 | BulletCatcher | In the ChangeLog I am going to call 2.0.12 "The release without a name." |
| 19:51.24 | jeffm | sure |
| 19:51.26 | jeffm | sounds so sad |
| 19:51.34 | jeffm | "Where the release had no name" |
| 19:51.40 | BulletCatcher | does the whistle from "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly" |
| 19:55.06 | jeffm | it shulda been named "Someone shoulda done a distcheck" |
| 19:57.37 | BulletCatcher | Was there a consensus for the name for 2.0.14? |
| 19:57.47 | jeffm | yes |
| 19:57.52 | jeffm | it's on the wiki page |
| 19:57.55 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 19:57.59 | jeffm | "this isn't the release you are looking for" |
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| 20:10.48 | blast007 | jeffm: at least with the pdcurses build you used, we need to distribute pdcurses.dll as well (bzadmin fails to launch in that installer you made a few days ago) |
| 20:12.53 | jeffm | oh duh |
| 20:13.02 | jeffm | I'll fix that |
| 20:13.04 | blast007 | hmm, and the shortcuts for launching a hix server are broken |
| 20:13.14 | jeffm | cus the map moved |
| 20:13.27 | jeffm | yeah I had a bit of a PITA getting curses to work |
| 20:15.35 | blast007 | I see the problem with the shortcut, so I can fix that quick |
| 20:15.49 | jeffm | k |
| 20:16.11 | jeffm | stops setting up the PS3 and swaps to the proper PC |
| 20:18.02 | blast007 | okay, that should take care of the shortcuts, though I'll test that for sure in a bit |
| 20:18.07 | blast007 | need to do a build |
| 20:18.28 | blast007 | do you just use a pre-built PDCurses? |
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| 20:20.36 | blast007 | JeffM2501: do you know which pdcurses download you used? |
| 20:20.55 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:20.58 | JeffM2501 | standby |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM2501 | pdc34dll.zip |
| 20:21.09 | blast007 | I never know the difference between the binary packages ;) the the w, u, s, and then one that lacks a letter |
| 20:21.23 | blast007 | w might be wide, u might be unicode, and s might be static |
| 20:21.37 | JeffM2501 | s is sdl, w is wide charactes, u is unicode |
| 20:21.48 | blast007 | ah |
| 20:21.56 | JeffM2501 | that's what I fought with |
| 20:22.11 | blast007 | I usually just built my own and set the flags I wanted |
| 20:22.41 | JeffM2501 | the installer includes pdcurses.dll allready |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.55 | blast007 | commented out |
| 20:23.02 | JeffM2501 | DOH! |
| 20:23.15 | JeffM2501 | can you fix that at the same time then? :) |
| 20:23.16 | blast007 | I think in the past it was statically linked into bzadmin |
| 20:24.11 | blast007 | done |
| 20:26.08 | JeffM2501 | reverts some changes so he dosn't build a release target with debug info |
| 20:26.30 | JeffM2501 | I did a quick review of the man pages and I think they are ok |
| 20:27.03 | blast007 | ok |
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| 21:04.05 | blast007 | JeffM2501: do you know which libcurl you used? |
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| 21:04.27 | blast007 | the non-SSL MSVC one? |
| 21:05.56 | blast007 | hmm, though I guess that one has a security vunlerability |
| 21:06.03 | blast007 | guess I'll just build the latest |
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| 21:08.57 | JeffM2501 | I used the one from trunk :) |
| 21:09.19 | JeffM2501 | cus I kinda had it handy |
| 21:09.27 | JeffM2501 | just throw the curl include dir into the vc9 dir |
| 21:09.32 | JeffM2501 | and throw the .lib in there too |
| 21:09.35 | JeffM2501 | and it'll build |
| 21:09.52 | JeffM2501 | did the same with glew |
| 21:09.58 | JeffM2501 | goes out for a while |
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| 22:29.27 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/fontopts.png -- easy to add, probably not worth the screen space in the option menu |
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| 22:45.21 | BulletCatcher | trepan: It would be nice to be able to select fonts in-game, where you can see how they look in real time. There is no more room on the GUI Settings page, so it would make sense to move all of the font controls to their own page, from Options. |
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| 22:46.20 | jeffm | or make it a sub off of gui |
| 22:46.28 | jeffm | nothing says menus can only go so deep |
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| 22:47.15 | BulletCatcher | Sure. Either way. |
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