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| 01:23.52 | trepan | BulletCatcher: you think that image is a mock-up ? |
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| 03:41.36 | BulletCatcher | trepan: I only meant to disagree with your "probably not worth the screen space in the option menu" statement. |
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| 03:49.38 | trepan | whether it be the top level options menu, the GUI menu, the Text options menu, etc... still not sure it's worth the screen space |
| 03:49.55 | trepan | there are already too many options for such a simple game, imo |
| 03:50.48 | BulletCatcher | It ceased being simple long ago. |
| 03:52.09 | trepan | that would be your opinion |
| 03:52.46 | Foo_man_choo | Simple it definitely still is. |
| 03:53.28 | JeffM2501 | things that go in options menus are things that the average player would want to change |
| 03:53.39 | JeffM2501 | fonts are something that we should be able to get right for most people |
| 03:55.59 | Foo_man_choo | .... addendum.... and I love it for that attribute. |
| 03:58.20 | BulletCatcher | There are subtle implications for having options that can be set by players who know how to edit the config file, but cannot be set in the menu system. |
| 03:58.22 | BulletCatcher | For example, is it cheating to have linedradarshots set to 40 when the menu system caps it at 10? |
| 03:58.49 | JeffM2501 | there is no way for us to know, but it dosn't affect the performance so from OUR standpoint we can't realy call it cheating |
| 03:59.13 | JeffM2501 | cheating from our perspective is doing things that change how tanks move or behave, not how the info is displayed |
| 03:59.32 | JeffM2501 | you do get a little cross mix with ST and CL |
| 03:59.57 | JeffM2501 | but the general idea is to keep it to the game rules, and the number of pixels a line is, is not part of the defined rules |
| 04:00.03 | JeffM2501 | specialy since we let them change it |
| 04:02.16 | JeffM2501 | it mostly comes down to how big the granted advantage is |
| 04:02.48 | JeffM2501 | stuff like making a tank go faster or not dying is a lot more of an advantage then making a shot like a little bigger to see it better |
| 04:02.59 | JeffM2501 | but then making that shot line into a predictive path, that's a big advantage |
| 04:03.19 | JeffM2501 | so you have to look at "why" they made the change, to help them play or to play for them |
| 04:03.59 | Foo_man_choo | I'd say |
| 04:04.04 | Foo_man_choo | 'ditto' |
| 04:04.13 | Foo_man_choo | but that would be ad addendum |
| 04:04.14 | Foo_man_choo | hehe |
| 04:04.46 | BulletCatcher | "help them play" vs. "play for them" is a useful distinction. |
| 04:05.24 | JeffM2501 | this is the game design part of the project, something other FOSS projects don't have |
| 04:05.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah if the goal of the feature is to "do something that others can't" then it's a cheat |
| 04:07.26 | JeffM2501 | if the feature simply lets the player feel more comfortable and play to his/her best abbility, then fine |
| 04:07.38 | JeffM2501 | that's not to say we should make all those features for them |
| 04:07.49 | JeffM2501 | the editability of bzflag is one of it's cool fatures |
| 04:08.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm not gonna masterban someone for full screen radar, but I'm also not gonna fight to get it put in the game, mostly because I think the game should focus on 3d, since that IS in the description :) |
| 04:09.06 | BulletCatcher | Long leading shot lines help to dodge. I suspect that most, if not all, of the top players use them. |
| 04:09.07 | BulletCatcher | Still, someone for whom editing the config file is as difficult as a code change may consider it cheating because that kind of "mod" is beyond their ability. |
| 04:09.23 | JeffM2501 | people think lag is cheating |
| 04:09.32 | JeffM2501 | players will always complain when they loose :) |
| 04:10.27 | BulletCatcher | Deliberately induced lag is, indeed, considered cheating. |
| 04:10.46 | JeffM2501 | how can you tell if it is or isn't induced? |
| 04:11.56 | BulletCatcher | Actually, it is jitter, not lag. Sometimes jitter and lost packets are way too conveniently timed. |
| 04:12.03 | Bambino | when they get laggy at times that benefit them. Such as capping a flag. |
| 04:13.07 | BulletCatcher | But there isn't much we, as developers, can do about that particular problem until we get server-side state working. |
| 04:13.27 | Foo_man_choo | growl snarl.... I was discussing this second hand with someone :( quit... That configuration being beyond someone as a code change could be looked upon as 'advanced' player ability just as much as a strategy or tactic that and 'advance player may employ |
| 04:13.49 | JeffM2501 | true, that's because you know what to look for BulletCatcher the average persone just sees a miss and shouts "HAX!" |
| 04:14.46 | BulletCatcher | Sometimes they are right. |
| 04:15.08 | JeffM2501 | but ar they right most of the time? |
| 04:16.08 | BulletCatcher | Of course not. I very rarely encounter players who I am sure are cheating. |
| 04:16.45 | BulletCatcher | I sometimes privately wonder about some of the other players, however, but of course I have no proof. |
| 04:17.38 | Foo_man_choo | Indeed. I have been willing to give up scoring ranking in order to be sure they are cheats. IE get killed a few times and watch shots fail to kill a few times before I'm sure. |
| 04:17.50 | Foo_man_choo | But still. |
| 04:18.07 | Foo_man_choo | That's a differnent situation. |
| 04:19.24 | Foo_man_choo | Iz what your talking about as simple as radically changing the ratio of radar size to visual size? or, of course, shot size? |
| 04:20.00 | BulletCatcher | My specific example is about the length of shot lines on radar. |
| 04:20.06 | trepan | having the font settings menu might help multi-lingual support |
| 04:20.21 | JeffM2501 | THAT would be worth it |
| 04:20.26 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 04:20.39 | Foo_man_choo | Now that sounds worthy. |
| 04:20.51 | trepan | as for effective ranges vs. menu ranges; set the effective range to the menu range, problem solved |
| 04:22.21 | BulletCatcher | Players would tolerate that only if the menu would allow much longer radar shot lines than 10. |
| 04:22.40 | BulletCatcher | That genie is already out of the bottle. |
| 04:23.07 | JeffM2501 | heh, tolerate |
| 04:23.16 | JeffM2501 | if they get another menu, they get another menu |
| 04:29.36 | JeffM2501 | the main problem with our interface I think is that we tend to define things in 'pixels' when the UI is actualy scaled to usualy be a percentage of the screen since it's all modified by the font sizes |
| 04:31.43 | JeffM2501 | so we ready for a release dry run tomorow? |
| 04:31.53 | BulletCatcher | Different units for some of the measurements would make some things easier. |
| 04:32.13 | JeffM2501 | well the entire UI needs a once over IMHO |
| 04:32.29 | JeffM2501 | then at that point we can decide what we want the default UI to do, aka what it's "intent" is |
| 04:32.46 | JeffM2501 | fix it all up, figure out what options we want, then let the users hack it up however they want :) |
| 04:33.02 | JeffM2501 | we have a few logical incosistencies |
| 04:33.14 | BulletCatcher | Yes. I like your idea of having modular UI components that can be rearranged. |
| 04:33.20 | JeffM2501 | the big one being "a mouse cursor, that don't click menu items" :) |
| 04:33.28 | JeffM2501 | yes that should be part of a new design |
| 04:33.32 | JeffM2501 | if we are smart about it |
| 04:33.42 | JeffM2501 | but that should only be part of the design |
| 04:34.52 | BulletCatcher | Write your ideas down somewhere so they don't get forgotten when we start 4.0. :-) |
| 04:35.24 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm doing what I always do with my ideas, writing them down |
| 04:35.25 | JeffM2501 | in code |
| 04:35.29 | JeffM2501 | in another project |
| 04:35.37 | trepan | make it scriptable -- some of the SpringRTS mods replace the entire default UI |
| 04:35.37 | JeffM2501 | that bzflag can steal if it wants to :) |
| 04:35.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah it should be all scriptable |
| 04:35.53 | JeffM2501 | and defined in something like XML |
| 04:36.00 | JeffM2501 | look at all the WOW mods |
| 04:37.07 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm goin for |
| 04:37.20 | trepan | or just use the scripting language itself, lua & json both make for nice configuration files |
| 04:37.24 | JeffM2501 | XML for the layout, controll names and scripting callbacks |
| 04:37.27 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 04:37.47 | JeffM2501 | thinks he has lua |
| 04:37.49 | trepan | but you're doing C# iirc, maybe XML would be better |
| 04:38.08 | JeffM2501 | XML is easy to load, but if the script has an "arange" method it'd be easy |
| 04:38.29 | JeffM2501 | I may make some 'meta' controlls be defined in XML cus it's easy |
| 04:38.46 | JeffM2501 | then let scripting move em arround and install callbacks, etc.. |
| 04:39.09 | JeffM2501 | gotta get my servers on the list server first |
| 04:39.14 | JeffM2501 | and clients authing |
| 04:41.54 | JeffM2501 | and then server side scripting :) |
| 04:42.09 | JeffM2501 | can deal with hardcoded UI for a starter |
| 04:42.22 | JeffM2501 | specialy since it has no in game menus |
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| 05:21.18 | Foo_man_choo | was not in the best of moods last night |
| 05:22.42 | Foo_man_choo | But I do wish I could have been any service possible to the effort at hand.. Now to sleep. |
| 05:23.14 | jeffm | see yah |
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| 05:55.55 | BulletCatcher | trepan: In r20757 did you really mean to change the default observer's view to roaming? See playing.cxx line 4283. |
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| 06:11.11 | delusional | i like roaming as default |
| 06:12.44 | BulletCatcher | Driving with the leader is probably more helpful for the inexperienced players who probably don't know how to change modes. |
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| 08:43.27 | jomojo | also looking for a recomendation on proper mg length |
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| 16:04.00 | tobylane | i got kicked for no udp, but after a few minutes, and after it worked fine yesterday. what do i do to fix? |
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| 16:04.14 | blast007 | that would be a connection issue |
| 16:04.19 | blast007 | so fix your connection ;) |
| 16:04.34 | blast007 | was it just a one time thing? |
| 16:05.10 | tobylane | what do you mean by one time |
| 16:06.07 | blast007 | as in ... did it happen once or does it keep happening? .. |
| 16:06.20 | tobylane | if its related, since i changed router and isp, irc has taken a while and unable to lookup my hostname |
| 16:06.27 | tobylane | just happened a minute ago first time |
| 16:06.45 | blast007 | that just means your ISP doesn't have a reverse DNS entry for your IP |
| 16:06.54 | blast007 | and if it happened once, then don't worry about it |
| 16:06.56 | blast007 | just reconnect |
| 16:07.15 | blast007 | it was just a connection glitch and UDP wasn't established |
| 16:07.26 | tobylane | ty |
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| 16:45.49 | spldart | Well cool. 2.0.14 with new installer works good and trunk code builds with no errors... I like the regular shot with that little bit of a red to the trail. |
| 16:51.09 | Constitution | hmm trunk builds... shall we establish a national holiday to commemorate? |
| 16:51.27 | spldart | Yes. Call the president. |
| 16:52.48 | Constitution | phones Tim |
| 16:53.02 | Constitution | oh, that's not what you meant? |
| 16:53.16 | blast007 | no, call the president ... of the WORLD! |
| 16:53.37 | spldart | Sand must be the culprit. |
| 16:53.40 | Constitution | right... I was going to call Tim... what's the issue there? |
| 16:53.56 | blast007 | Constitution: real world, not the game world ;) |
| 16:54.17 | Constitution | uff |
| 16:54.21 | blast007 | and by real world, I mean "from some movie" |
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| 17:11.06 | blast007 | hi JeffM2501 |
| 17:11.10 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 17:11.39 | JeffM2501 | why was the roaming thing added to branch? |
| 17:12.54 | JeffM2501 | and how well has it been tested |
| 17:13.11 | JeffM2501 | and do people know the words for it to put in the language files |
| 17:25.13 | trepan | it's just for the default roamView mode |
| 17:25.18 | JeffM2501 | looks inocuous enough, just seems somewhat late to be throwing options in |
| 17:25.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:25.35 | JeffM2501 | just seemed more like a v3 thing then a v2 ting |
| 17:25.36 | JeffM2501 | but ok |
| 17:25.54 | trepan | i changed the default mode, got a complaint; ...backported |
| 17:26.01 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 17:26.28 | JeffM2501 | at first I thought it was a menu, now I see |
| 17:26.52 | JeffM2501 | so are we ready to tag this thing? |
| 17:26.59 | trepan | as v2_0branch does really do unicode, no need for the FontSettings menu? |
| 17:27.09 | trepan | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 17:27.21 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to add menus to branch |
| 17:27.36 | JeffM2501 | people have lived with out it for this long, and yeah no new languages are supported |
| 17:27.41 | JeffM2501 | so they won't miss it |
| 17:27.52 | JeffM2501 | they can't make fonts, and we arn't going to be shipping any options. |
| 17:28.08 | JeffM2501 | and the sizes available are VERY limited |
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| 17:29.28 | trepan | tag it, bag it, let it rot ;) |
| 17:30.04 | JeffM2501 | has someone done a distcheck? |
| 17:30.13 | JeffM2501 | I can not |
| 17:30.50 | blast007 | does that just involve running 'make distcheck' ? |
| 17:30.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:30.57 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 17:31.06 | JeffM2501 | also someone should build a test tarbal |
| 17:31.08 | blast007 | and does it matter if it's a clean checkout versus one that has been built? |
| 17:31.25 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher was talking about using a different autotool or something |
| 17:31.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 17:31.29 | blast007 | well, guess it has to be at least prepared to build |
| 17:32.28 | blast007 | I'm on a system with libtool 1.5 like BulletCatcher had mentioned |
| 17:32.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:32.32 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:32.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah give it a go and see what happens |
| 17:32.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm also not sure if he finished the changelog updates |
| 17:33.12 | blast007 | k |
| 17:33.24 | JeffM2501 | bassicaly I'd just like to get tagged sometime today, then we can all start our various builds so it'll be ready and uploaded in the morning |
| 17:33.31 | JeffM2501 | will have to come up with a new update |
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| 17:34.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh looks like he did update it |
| 17:34.33 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 17:34.36 | JeffM2501 | fixes wiki |
| 17:34.49 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I was getting linker errors when trying to build last night |
| 17:34.55 | JeffM2501 | in what OS? |
| 17:35.05 | blast007 | Windows with VC 2008 express |
| 17:35.22 | JeffM2501 | remember what they were and what build target? |
| 17:35.25 | blast007 | it didn't like to link against glew32s.lib, but worked with glew32.lib |
| 17:35.29 | blast007 | release_pdcurses |
| 17:35.44 | JeffM2501 | hmmmmm |
| 17:35.47 | JeffM2501 | I will look |
| 17:35.48 | trepan | runs a distcheck |
| 17:35.52 | JeffM2501 | cus I know I ran it here |
| 17:36.23 | blast007 | and I was also using my own build of libcurl built against VC9 |
| 17:36.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what I did |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM2501 | I had just pulled curl and gew from trunk |
| 17:36.46 | blast007 | and I think the libcurl.lib was a static lib cuz there was no DLL in there |
| 17:36.57 | JeffM2501 | figured that was good enough to get this out the door |
| 17:37.03 | trepan | svn:ignore could be set on all the .deps/, Makefile's, and a few .m4's |
| 17:37.09 | blast007 | and when I built it as a dll version, the lib was named libcurl_imp.dll |
| 17:37.10 | blast007 | er |
| 17:37.16 | blast007 | libcurl_imp.lib |
| 17:37.23 | JeffM2501 | blast007, from our project or from theres? |
| 17:37.30 | blast007 | from theirs |
| 17:37.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:37.41 | JeffM2501 | is less concerned about "theres" |
| 17:37.51 | blast007 | there is a security vunl. in the version we have, but it shouldn't affect us |
| 17:37.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to post build instructions that say "go get trunk, build it, grab these files" :) |
| 17:38.31 | blast007 | not sure why the glew didn't work |
| 17:38.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm building now so I'll see |
| 17:38.47 | blast007 | I was using their binary package |
| 17:38.57 | JeffM2501 | that may be why, I talored ours to be all cool |
| 17:39.09 | JeffM2501 | same mt settings and stuff |
| 17:39.33 | blast007 | well, it worked with the lib that was tied to the DLL, but not the static one |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah they probably have different mt settings on the static |
| 17:40.02 | blast007 | and the new libcurl worked if I just used the differently named lib |
| 17:40.06 | JeffM2501 | usualy st for static, mt for dll |
| 17:41.20 | blast007 | k |
| 17:43.25 | trepan | distcheck successful here (amd64/debian testing) |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:44.26 | JeffM2501 | I think all we need is a tarbal check then |
| 17:44.31 | JeffM2501 | unless anyone can think of anything else |
| 17:44.52 | JeffM2501 | I updated the logo already, and I don't think anything else has the version on it that isn't dynamic |
| 17:45.04 | blast007 | distcheck is successful if it builds the three archives? |
| 17:45.54 | BulletCatcher | I have more changes for the ChangeLog file. |
| 17:46.30 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:46.57 | BulletCatcher | Still incomplete, but I'll commit now to give a preview. |
| 17:46.58 | JeffM2501 | acording to the docs in devinfo, we should be good, I would just like to dry run the tarbal creation |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM2501 | oh you do have more |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 17:47.12 | JeffM2501 | ok, no worries then |
| 17:47.21 | BulletCatcher | ChangeLog changes won't affect how it compiles. :-) |
| 17:47.41 | JeffM2501 | will you be able to get to it all to day, ( I know the lady catcher may have plans for you today) |
| 17:47.57 | BulletCatcher | Yes, I'll get it done today. |
| 17:48.28 | trepan | just committed r20831 to Changelog |
| 17:49.05 | JeffM2501 | why is it CIA is busted every time I want to do a release? :) |
| 17:49.23 | JeffM2501 | but still sounds like we are on track :) |
| 17:49.40 | JeffM2501 | has rushed it before and wants to make sure it will work BEFORE he does it this time |
| 17:50.29 | JeffM2501 | hmmm. is the green camo suppose to be twice the repeats of the others? |
| 17:50.43 | JeffM2501 | I just noticed it when looking at the data dir in thumbnails |
| 17:50.53 | BulletCatcher | It has been that way for a long time. I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 17:51.06 | BulletCatcher | Just fix it in trunk. |
| 17:51.08 | JeffM2501 | man that means I screwed it up |
| 17:51.10 | JeffM2501 | I made those |
| 17:51.38 | JeffM2501 | never noticed it in trunk cus they are split up into color dirs :) |
| 17:51.50 | trepan | could just halve the texture to 128x128 |
| 17:51.56 | JeffM2501 | uyeah |
| 17:52.03 | JeffM2501 | or redo em all for trunk :) |
| 17:53.02 | trepan | you want the halved version committed? |
| 17:53.11 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 17:53.27 | JeffM2501 | if I do anything for branch I'll recolor one of the others |
| 17:53.35 | JeffM2501 | was never happy with the green one |
| 17:53.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm searing for my source art and tank models now to see how they look |
| 17:54.10 | JeffM2501 | green IS the most problematic color, as it does blend with the grass |
| 17:54.15 | JeffM2501 | and it is camofalge :) |
| 17:54.23 | trepan | the grass should be changed |
| 17:54.29 | JeffM2501 | so maybe having more brown spots in it helps for now |
| 17:54.32 | JeffM2501 | well yeah |
| 17:54.33 | trepan | a nice grey concrete works well |
| 17:54.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah I've used that for some of my stuff |
| 17:57.22 | BulletCatcher | I have committed r20832 with ChangeLog updates. More may be coming later. |
| 17:57.36 | BulletCatcher | Please review attributions and make any corrections. |
| 17:57.49 | BulletCatcher | Errors and oversights are unintentional. |
| 17:57.58 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/files/images/Screamers%20Site/imgs/Cam3.png |
| 17:59.14 | joevano | JeffM2501: that looks real nice |
| 17:59.20 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM2501 | trepan, yeah I think for now we'll keep the extra repeats |
| 17:59.35 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank |
| 17:59.39 | JeffM2501 | that has shots of all the colors |
| 17:59.49 | JeffM2501 | and the spots help break up the big green |
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| 18:05.09 | MacGyverXI | hello ppl. |
| 18:05.24 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:05.28 | MacGyverXI | Is there anyone here that is in #java that can give me an invite? |
| 18:06.49 | dexter- | ##java you mean? |
| 18:06.58 | MacGyverXI | yeah - that's the one |
| 18:07.04 | MacGyverXI | I can't seem to join that channel |
| 18:07.06 | JeffM2501 | java didn't file an org request? |
| 18:07.07 | dexter- | um |
| 18:07.13 | dexter- | I'm in there right now |
| 18:07.15 | dexter- | lol |
| 18:07.17 | MacGyverXI | (+r) |
| 18:07.27 | JeffM2501 | just register |
| 18:07.29 | MacGyverXI | (need to be identified with services |
| 18:07.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah do that |
| 18:07.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not invite |
| 18:07.39 | dexter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.45 | dexter- | its a public channel |
| 18:08.36 | dexter- | JeffM2501: the release still on schedule? |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah looks like it |
| 18:08.54 | JeffM2501 | just a few more things to do then we'll be tagging later to day |
| 18:08.56 | JeffM2501 | today |
| 18:08.57 | MacGyverXI | We talking BZF3? |
| 18:09.01 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:09.05 | MacGyverXI | oh. boo. |
| 18:09.12 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.14 so that we don't have a dev version sitting in debian |
| 18:09.23 | trepan | dexter-: ...or at least it was until you jinxed it by using the word "schedule" ;) |
| 18:09.33 | MacGyverXI | xD |
| 18:09.38 | JeffM2501 | yep we be screwed now |
| 18:09.40 | JeffM2501 | good job ;) |
| 18:09.59 | dexter- | good. i like screwing things up |
| 18:14.36 | JeffM2501 | blast007, was this the error? DisplayMenu.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp____GLEW_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic referenced in function "public: __thiscall DisplayMenu::DisplayMenu(void)" (??0DisplayMenu@@QAE@XZ) |
| 18:14.36 | JeffM2501 | ..\..\src\bzflag\bzflag.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals |
| 18:16.09 | Tupone | what is bzflag.exe.manifest ? |
| 18:16.20 | JeffM2501 | not needed anymore |
| 18:16.28 | JeffM2501 | it was the manifest file used for VC71 |
| 18:16.38 | Tupone | then better being removed |
| 18:16.41 | JeffM2501 | VC9 builds the manifest |
| 18:17.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's not included in the installer anymore |
| 18:17.53 | JeffM2501 | removed |
| 18:18.05 | Tupone | and pushstats.suo ? |
| 18:18.19 | JeffM2501 | where the hell is that? |
| 18:18.26 | Tupone | plugins/pushstats |
| 18:18.36 | Tupone | don't know if it is just local to me |
| 18:18.43 | JeffM2501 | good lord that got commited? |
| 18:18.45 | JeffM2501 | well crap |
| 18:19.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the stat pusher for legacy servers |
| 18:19.16 | JeffM2501 | well most of it |
| 18:19.33 | BulletCatcher | pushstats.suo is not in Makefile.am, so easy to remove from svn |
| 18:19.51 | JeffM2501 | is it in extra dist? |
| 18:19.55 | Tupone | yeah, that is ... checking svn with makedist |
| 18:20.18 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't need to be built but it'd be nice to keep in svn, at least AFTER the tag |
| 18:20.27 | JeffM2501 | as at some point it will hopefully be finished. |
| 18:20.39 | Tupone | but is data or what? |
| 18:20.44 | JeffM2501 | it's a plugin |
| 18:21.02 | JeffM2501 | for pushing stat data to the V3 stats server |
| 18:21.07 | dexter- | oooo Tupone is back |
| 18:21.10 | dexter- | geez long time no see |
| 18:21.15 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:21.16 | JeffM2501 | it does what V3 does internaly |
| 18:21.39 | Tupone | but is that code? |
| 18:21.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's code |
| 18:22.03 | JeffM2501 | it's the code for the plugin |
| 18:22.16 | Tupone | not source code ... |
| 18:22.26 | JeffM2501 | the .so is the built plugin |
| 18:22.32 | JeffM2501 | the source is in plugins/pushstats |
| 18:22.46 | JeffM2501 | pushstats.cpp |
| 18:22.54 | Tupone | my question is "pushstats.suo what is?" |
| 18:23.01 | JeffM2501 | oh suo |
| 18:23.06 | JeffM2501 | can't read today |
| 18:23.14 | JeffM2501 | I didn't see the u |
| 18:23.15 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:23.20 | Tupone | ok |
| 18:23.24 | dexter- | hah |
| 18:23.29 | MacGyverXI | -- /identify is not a command. |
| 18:23.31 | MacGyverXI | nugh. |
| 18:23.46 | JeffM2501 | MacGyverXI, /msg nickserv help |
| 18:23.52 | MacGyverXI | thanks |
| 18:23.54 | dexter- | MacGyverXI: if you're seeking freenode help, go to #freenode |
| 18:23.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, it's removed, it's part of the VC build that we don't need |
| 18:23.59 | dexter- | they will assist you |
| 18:24.00 | MacGyverXI | (i just pushed n to chat) xD |
| 18:24.28 | Tupone | ok now |
| 18:24.30 | JeffM2501 | I was more concerned that I had commited the plugin :) |
| 18:24.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't remember doing that |
| 18:27.59 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah, that was the linker error I got |
| 18:28.13 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:29.45 | SparkyXI | "Rrrrrrickatikatiktocktictocktic... Rrrinnngggg..." xD |
| 18:30.23 | dexter- | uumm |
| 18:30.24 | JeffM2501 | SparkyXI, what? |
| 18:30.41 | dexter- | JeffM2501: does CAN still exist? |
| 18:30.47 | dexter- | Or has a_meteorite taken over the world |
| 18:31.01 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, I never made it I just came up with the idea |
| 18:31.08 | JeffM2501 | he took it an modified it |
| 18:31.22 | JeffM2501 | but it never had, nor probably ever will have official project support |
| 18:31.44 | dexter- | yea |
| 18:32.39 | JeffM2501 | blast007, yeah wierd, it does work with dynamic but not static |
| 18:32.43 | JeffM2501 | must be how they export |
| 18:32.45 | SparkyXI | As in, "I can haz cheezburger?" |
| 18:32.56 | SparkyXI | xD |
| 18:33.10 | JeffM2501 | SparkyXI, and we care about that why? |
| 18:33.11 | dexter- | I hate that emoticon with a passion |
| 18:33.15 | SparkyXI | nwe don't. |
| 18:33.33 | JeffM2501 | this isn't realy a place for general chat, it's one for the development of bzflag |
| 18:33.43 | JeffM2501 | specialy when we are trying to work on it activly |
| 18:33.52 | SparkyXI | Alright. Goodday. |
| 18:33.53 | JeffM2501 | perhaps usenet would be better for you? |
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| 18:34.03 | dexter- | or not |
| 18:34.04 | JeffM2501 | or at least #bzflag-chat |
| 18:34.15 | JeffM2501 | naw.. he's not a troll.. naw.. |
| 18:34.24 | dexter- | JeffM2501: any 2.0.14 mac testing I could do? |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I'll just make us use dynamic for now |
| 18:34.35 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, build it and make sure it works |
| 18:34.40 | dexter- | ya |
| 18:34.50 | dexter- | although my failure to build is doubtfully bzflag's fault :P |
| 18:34.58 | dexter- | hypothetically speaking :) |
| 18:35.05 | JeffM2501 | what fails? |
| 18:35.06 | dexter- | yea, i'll check out latest SVN |
| 18:35.18 | dexter- | Oh, I haven't tried yet and I'm still at work right now |
| 18:35.25 | dexter- | "work" |
| 18:35.49 | BulletCatcher | dexter-: we want to support even people like you :-p, so let us know if you have any problems building it. |
| 18:36.32 | dexter- | thats what the government told me too |
| 18:36.41 | dexter- | and the bank. |
| 18:38.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: k, then be sure to include the DLL too ;) |
| 18:38.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah testing the installer now |
| 18:38.34 | blast007 | ok |
| 18:38.36 | JeffM2501 | the fix for pdcurses was bad too |
| 18:38.40 | JeffM2501 | extra / at the end |
| 18:40.45 | blast007 | JeffM2501: still using the libcurl from trunk too? |
| 18:40.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:40.54 | blast007 | k |
| 18:42.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm updating the glew project in trunk to be able to build glew for branch |
| 18:42.23 | dexter- | ~svn |
| 18:42.24 | ibot | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 18:42.27 | dexter- | whats link to the latest branch? |
| 18:42.33 | BulletCatcher | ~bzsvn |
| 18:42.34 | ibot | rumour has it, bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 18:42.44 | BulletCatcher | That's not it. |
| 18:42.44 | dexter- | there it is, thx BC |
| 18:42.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah the wiki page has the links you need |
| 18:42.53 | dexter- | im aware |
| 18:43.01 | JeffM2501 | uploads a new test installer |
| 18:43.46 | JeffM2501 | 13.5 megs not too bad |
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| 18:53.12 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I added a section to the README.WIN32 on how to yank curl and glew from trunk |
| 18:53.55 | JeffM2501 | and http://www.awesomelaser.com/crap/bzflag-2.0.14.20100214A.exe for any that want to test |
| 18:55.13 | BulletCatcher | I am finished with branch ChangeLog updates as of r20838. I encourage others to review and fix any errors or omissions (especially in attributions) on my part, for which I sincerely apologize. |
| 18:56.27 | JeffM2501 | if you got it wrong it was probably because they left bad comments :) |
| 18:56.32 | dexter- | lol |
| 18:56.38 | dexter- | you would register a domain like that jeff :) |
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| 18:58.52 | JeffM2501 | I'm commiting 2 minor clarifiactions, but other then that looks fine |
| 18:59.55 | JeffM2501 | DirectX8 -> directInput8 and VC7.1 -> 8, since we left the VC7.1 project and replaced 8 with 9 |
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| 19:07.31 | JeffM2501 | ok so a tarbal check and a couple hours to let it settle down and I think we are good to go |
| 19:08.56 | ruskie | new release? |
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| 19:16.52 | trepan | 2.0.14, Feb14; what was the release code name? |
| 19:18.16 | bryjen | something to do with a massacre? |
| 19:18.59 | trepan | bloody bunch of cynics ;) |
| 19:20.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:21.17 | blast007 | hrm, everyone's client just crashed on my server |
| 19:21.39 | blast007 | and I updated to the latest branch code earlier today - hopefully unrelated :P |
| 19:22.18 | JeffM2501 | now the fun thing would be to release v3 on april 1 |
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| 19:30.19 | dexter- | ~bzsvn |
| 19:30.20 | ibot | bzsvn is, like, http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 19:30.24 | dexter- | builds. |
| 19:34.03 | dexter- | ERROR: Unable to locate GNU Autoconf. |
| 19:34.05 | dexter- | sigh |
| 19:34.17 | JeffM2501 | have you installed your compiler? |
| 19:34.33 | Tupone | dexter-: what platform OS distro? |
| 19:34.39 | JeffM2501 | he's on the mac |
| 19:34.44 | dexter- | OS X, 10.6.2 |
| 19:34.52 | Tupone | need autoconf :) |
| 19:34.56 | dexter- | ye |
| 19:34.57 | blast007 | dexter-: have you tried reinstalling Windows? |
| 19:34.59 | blast007 | ducks |
| 19:35.00 | dexter- | 2.65 will do? |
| 19:35.07 | dexter- | dude i wouln't use windows for money |
| 19:35.27 | Tupone | 2.65 should work, need automake too, and libtool |
| 19:35.38 | JeffM2501 | ok it's all marked as .14 |
| 19:35.42 | dexter- | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/ is what I'm looking at |
| 19:35.50 | JeffM2501 | not tagged yet, but the files have been changed. |
| 19:35.51 | blast007 | dexter-: I have 2.61 here and it works |
| 19:35.55 | blast007 | JeffM2501: ok |
| 19:36.06 | JeffM2501 | xcode dosn't give you autotools? |
| 19:36.41 | dexter- | ok, how do I install autoconf |
| 19:36.45 | dexter- | because last time I tried it didn't work |
| 19:36.53 | dexter- | I tried to do all this in December |
| 19:36.58 | trepan | are the debian files usually adjusted before tagging? (buildDate.cxx, configure.am, etc... obviously should be) |
| 19:37.18 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I did whatever the devinfo said to do |
| 19:37.49 | trepan | configure.ac and buildDate.cxx are still at .13 |
| 19:38.02 | trepan | buildDate.cxx BZ_BUILD_TYPE is "DEVEL" |
| 19:38.20 | JeffM2501 | makes sure he didn't update trunk :) |
| 19:38.42 | JeffM2501 | no I did branch |
| 19:38.55 | dexter- | ./configure make ? |
| 19:39.17 | trepan | JeffM2501: traitorous CIA |
| 19:39.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah CIA is like not here, and probably behind :) |
| 19:40.06 | JeffM2501 | looks like buildsnap pulls the version from somehwere else |
| 19:40.56 | JeffM2501 | there is the changelog.in |
| 19:41.06 | Tupone | ./configure and after command finished .. make |
| 19:41.49 | dexter- | brbr.. |
| 19:41.51 | Tupone | but before configure you should run autogen.sh if that is there |
| 19:45.50 | JeffM2501 | devC++ got removed from the linux makefiles right/ |
| 19:46.40 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:46.58 | JeffM2501 | then I think we are ready to tag unless any has any compunctions |
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| 19:48.45 | dexter- | Tupone: ok |
| 19:49.15 | dexter- | autogen.sh isn't there, no |
| 19:49.23 | JeffM2501 | qua!!!!! |
| 19:49.29 | JeffM2501 | where did you get your sources from? |
| 19:49.43 | dexter- | GNU M4 1.4.6 or later is required; 1.4.13 is recommended |
| 19:49.54 | dexter- | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/ |
| 19:50.15 | JeffM2501 | oh autogen for autoconf, I thought you meant bz :) |
| 19:50.19 | Tupone | dexter-: you should run autogen.sh from the top of the bzflag tree |
| 19:50.39 | JeffM2501 | I think he's still trying to install autoconf |
| 19:50.40 | dexter- | I am trying to install gnu autoconf 2.65 |
| 19:50.52 | dexter- | that is the message i got when running ./configure |
| 19:50.58 | blast007 | why doesn't the system already have that ..? |
| 19:51.09 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, did you install the xcode disk? |
| 19:51.11 | dexter- | dunno, i have dev toolz installed |
| 19:51.14 | JeffM2501 | you sure? |
| 19:51.18 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 19:51.55 | dexter- | Xcode 3.1 |
| 19:52.05 | dexter- | 3.1.3 |
| 19:52.13 | JeffM2501 | did you do a full install of it or just parts? |
| 19:52.46 | dexter- | I am pretty confident that I have the full install |
| 19:52.57 | dexter- | I have the complete Developer folder afaik |
| 19:53.08 | Tupone | autoconf run on top of m4 so you need m4 too |
| 19:53.20 | JeffM2501 | and I KNOW that's included in a full install |
| 19:53.26 | JeffM2501 | unless they changed devtools a lot |
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| 19:54.16 | dexter- | i had everything when I had leopard, then i installed snow leopard |
| 19:54.20 | dexter- | nothing has changed since then afaik |
| 19:54.34 | blast007 | and you did an upgrade versus a clean install? |
| 19:54.47 | JeffM2501 | and did you install devtools again in snow? |
| 19:54.52 | JeffM2501 | if it was an upgrade |
| 19:55.17 | JeffM2501 | if so I'm guessing that all the stuff is still installed for 10.5 not .6 and you should do an install again |
| 19:55.25 | dexter- | it was an upgrade i think |
| 19:55.30 | JeffM2501 | run the installer again |
| 19:55.36 | JeffM2501 | it didn't move the dev tools over |
| 19:55.44 | blast007 | (installer for dev tools) |
| 19:55.46 | dexter- | f.. |
| 19:55.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:55.57 | dexter- | Saturos has my installer DVD |
| 19:55.57 | dexter- | lol |
| 19:56.02 | JeffM2501 | they are all probably still in your paths for 10.5 |
| 19:56.02 | dexter- | that sucks |
| 19:56.16 | JeffM2501 | can't download it? |
| 19:56.16 | blast007 | I thought the dev kit was also a download |
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| 19:56.20 | blast007 | ... |
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| 19:56.24 | dexter- | it is |
| 19:56.25 | JeffM2501 | can't download it? |
| 19:56.29 | dexter- | I think? |
| 19:56.32 | JeffM2501 | then there ya go |
| 19:56.50 | dexter- | Yeah, It says my Developer folder was lost Modified on Thurs, July 16th '09 |
| 19:56.59 | dexter- | I installed Snow Leopard on August 28th '09 |
| 19:57.00 | JeffM2501 | that'd do it :) |
| 19:57.05 | dexter- | So it obviously can't have been updated |
| 19:57.36 | JeffM2501 | ok, so if anyone gathere here feels that I should not tag this version, speak now, or forever hold your peace. :) |
| 19:58.09 | dexter- | Tag |
| 19:58.10 | dexter- | ? |
| 19:58.15 | JeffM2501 | tag |
| 19:58.22 | dexter- | what does that mean? |
| 19:58.25 | JeffM2501 | as in "mark as 2.0.14" in a non changing branch |
| 19:58.26 | dexter- | to tag a version |
| 19:58.30 | dexter- | oh |
| 19:58.36 | dexter- | eh, it's not that groundbreaking is it? |
| 19:58.38 | JeffM2501 | so that anyone can get it at that time |
| 19:58.44 | JeffM2501 | no we can move the tag if we have to |
| 19:58.50 | JeffM2501 | it just sucks |
| 19:59.07 | JeffM2501 | often that means rebuilding packages that were built on the tag |
| 19:59.39 | JeffM2501 | my plan is to tag, go have lunch, then come back and see if anyone found anything, and make a windows installer :) |
| 19:59.52 | dexter- | JeffM2501: the latest XCode is enough, right? |
| 19:59.58 | JeffM2501 | should be |
| 20:00.08 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy use xcode |
| 20:00.15 | blast007 | might need to update your deps then as well |
| 20:00.51 | dexter- | Xcode is already 800mb |
| 20:01.05 | blast007 | that's not that bad |
| 20:01.28 | JeffM2501 | tags |
| 20:02.30 | JeffM2501 | looks like it worked |
| 20:02.46 | JeffM2501 | so if someone could make some tarballs and check em, that'd be great :) |
| 20:03.00 | JeffM2501 | from the tag code of course |
| 20:03.05 | dexter- | i don't even see any other download option besides Xcode |
| 20:03.14 | JeffM2501 | then we can bump branch to 15 and be set to build packages |
| 20:03.36 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. burger or burito? |
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| 20:15.25 | dexter- | geez, slow download |
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| 20:32.14 | dexter- | yay |
| 20:32.17 | dexter- | installing dev tools |
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| 20:55.27 | JeffM2501 | ok, tag is complete and worked, and branch is now set at .15 |
| 20:55.58 | dexter- | JeffM2501: installed everything and i'm at make now |
| 20:56.04 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:56.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm not TOO concerned if your build takes a while, mac builds are always mystic sorcery :) |
| 20:56.33 | JeffM2501 | tho it will be good to know if you can do it |
| 20:57.42 | JeffM2501 | I would like someone to do a make dist tho |
| 20:57.51 | dexter- | could I do that? |
| 20:58.03 | JeffM2501 | it needs to be someone with SF access, thanks tho |
| 20:58.08 | dexter- | alright |
| 20:58.14 | dexter- | Constitution / brlcad |
| 20:58.15 | dexter- | hai :) |
| 20:58.24 | JeffM2501 | it's not a mac thing but a "not windows" thing |
| 20:58.32 | JeffM2501 | so there are many that can do it |
| 20:58.41 | dexter- | oh okay |
| 20:58.42 | JeffM2501 | it builds the source code tarballs and zips |
| 20:58.48 | dexter- | ya, well.. ill work on getting mine to build :) |
| 20:59.11 | JeffM2501 | tries to figure out where sf moved release management to |
| 21:05.36 | dexter- | JeffM2501: the other day I saw an observer tank playing |
| 21:05.40 | dexter- | kinda weird |
| 21:05.43 | dexter- | how does that happen? |
| 21:05.49 | JeffM2501 | packetloss |
| 21:06.02 | dexter- | ah |
| 21:06.12 | dexter- | yeah, i saw everything but couldn't load lagstats |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM2501 | the "team code" that your client got was wrong |
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| 21:11.37 | JeffM2501 | ok windows installer is uploaded but I won't announce untill sources are up too |
| 21:12.21 | dexter- | geez, make is really really slow |
| 21:12.40 | JeffM2501 | lot of stuff to compile |
| 21:12.45 | dexter- | :) |
| 21:12.53 | JeffM2501 | you are probably also using a single core |
| 21:13.13 | dexter- | processor? |
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| 21:13.19 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:13.27 | dexter- | this thingis dual cored |
| 21:13.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah, but by default make only uses one |
| 21:13.41 | dexter- | but maybe its only using one |
| 21:13.46 | dexter- | ah |
| 21:13.50 | dexter- | how do I change that? |
| 21:13.55 | BulletCatcher | "make -j3" |
| 21:14.00 | JeffM2501 | some command line switch |
| 21:14.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah that |
| 21:14.16 | JeffM2501 | man is that SF uploader wierd now |
| 21:14.20 | BulletCatcher | 2.0.14 from r20844 looks fine on Fedora 12. |
| 21:14.24 | BulletCatcher | I am hoping blast will return to produce the official tarballs on his libtool-1.5 system. |
| 21:14.29 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:14.36 | dexter- | there he is? :) |
| 21:14.51 | BulletCatcher | Oh. Didn't see that. :-) |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2501 | I've made the upload folders |
| 21:15.41 | JeffM2501 | cus it's kinda odd |
| 21:15.51 | JeffM2501 | you don't use the "create new folder" link at the top :) |
| 21:16.07 | JeffM2501 | nor the "upload file" link |
| 21:16.26 | blast007 | JeffM2501: hmm, was there anything said between your "tries to figure out where sf ..." and "sure"? |
| 21:16.54 | blast007 | trying to figure out if I'm actually losing the connection or if my PONG just isn't getting sent to the server properly at times |
| 21:16.57 | JeffM2501 | yes but it was not important |
| 21:17.08 | JeffM2501 | just talking about the slowness of make |
| 21:17.25 | dexter- | yep |
| 21:17.39 | blast007 | k. it's just strange that I see my own ping timeout quit message ;) |
| 21:17.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah odd |
| 21:18.08 | BulletCatcher | Don't haxxor yourself, blast007. :-) |
| 21:18.15 | blast007 | cuz my client is set up to automatically reconnect if my 'lag' gets to 180 seconds |
| 21:18.27 | JeffM2501 | wanna try to build an RPM BulletCatcher ? |
| 21:19.20 | BulletCatcher | Yeah, I'll do that. First I need to download the Fedora source RPM to get the spec file. |
| 21:19.23 | JeffM2501 | takes a look at the projects that sf says bzflag is similar too |
| 21:19.40 | JeffM2501 | there is an rpm dir in the package dir |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM2501 | that should have something in it |
| 21:20.55 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: what all do I need to do to make the tarballs? just autogen, configure, make, and then make distcheck? |
| 21:21.04 | blast007 | or do I not need to 'make'? |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM2501 | make dist |
| 21:21.09 | JeffM2501 | not distcheck |
| 21:21.10 | BulletCatcher | The plain "make" is unnecessary. |
| 21:21.20 | JeffM2501 | it's in the devinfo :) |
| 21:21.26 | JeffM2501 | also make sure you do it on an export |
| 21:21.30 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 21:21.32 | JeffM2501 | (that's what the docs say) |
| 21:21.38 | blast007 | yay for reading |
| 21:23.05 | dexter- | oh crap |
| 21:23.25 | dexter- | it failed |
| 21:23.27 | dexter- | noooo |
| 21:23.30 | dexter- | i waited forever to hear that |
| 21:24.26 | catay | build/run from tarball also works here on Ubuntu 8.04 |
| 21:24.34 | BulletCatcher | Yay. |
| 21:24.44 | dexter- | where does it say the error again |
| 21:24.45 | dexter- | ? |
| 21:25.03 | dexter- | ld: symbol(s) not found ? |
| 21:26.12 | BulletCatcher | You'll have to tell us the name(s) of the missing symbol(s). |
| 21:27.30 | dexter- | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m6c41a54b |
| 21:27.35 | dexter- | is that enough? |
| 21:28.05 | BulletCatcher | It looks like you need to install SDL. |
| 21:28.29 | dexter- | BZFlag-2.0.13.20100214 with the following: |
| 21:28.29 | dexter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.29 | dexter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.29 | dexter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.29 | dexter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.40 | dexter- | that is what I got when I ran ./configure |
| 21:28.45 | dexter- | so i was optimistic that make would work |
| 21:28.54 | BulletCatcher | I see your point. |
| 21:30.03 | BulletCatcher | Someone with MacOS 10.6 (perhaps Constitution), will be better able to help you than I am. |
| 21:30.20 | blast007 | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.61 / Found GNU Automake version 1.10 / Found GNU Libtool version 1.5.22 <--- those versions look good, BulletCatcher? |
| 21:30.32 | JeffM2501 | mystic sorcery I tell you:) |
| 21:30.32 | dexter- | I have Autoconf 2.61 installed btw now too |
| 21:30.42 | dexter- | oh well... |
| 21:31.05 | blast007 | dexter-: then congrats - your OS is as up to date as debian oldstable |
| 21:31.12 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, to make you feel better, to get my mac to build when I had one, I had to give brlcad ssh and root access to the box to configure it ;) |
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| 21:31.28 | BulletCatcher | Yes, blast007, those versions are fine. |
| 21:31.33 | blast007 | and to get my mac to build, I had to buy it from Jeff |
| 21:31.47 | dexter- | yea, i get the points |
| 21:31.50 | dexter- | point* |
| 21:31.51 | JeffM2501 | that was one of the main selling points for him "set up by brlcad" |
| 21:31.56 | blast007 | ;D |
| 21:32.03 | JeffM2501 | I charged him an extra 50$ for that ;) |
| 21:32.49 | JeffM2501 | if the new mini had an HDMI port I'd totaly think about it |
| 21:33.28 | blast007 | too bad my display only has one digital input.. |
| 21:33.37 | brlcad | heh, I wouldn't say I "set it up" |
| 21:33.46 | JeffM2501 | you loged in and made it work :) |
| 21:33.53 | brlcad | just did some basic stuffs |
| 21:33.56 | JeffM2501 | I'd call that "settin up" |
| 21:34.11 | JeffM2501 | it didn't work before you worked on it, it did after |
| 21:34.12 | dexter- | brlcad: any suggestions? |
| 21:34.15 | dexter- | while you're here:) |
| 21:34.20 | brlcad | suggestions on what? |
| 21:34.27 | JeffM2501 | he can't link to sdl |
| 21:35.25 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: should I just run configure with no extra options? |
| 21:35.45 | blast007 | doesn't say in devinfo what to do exactly for that |
| 21:35.51 | JeffM2501 | you don't run configure |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | just autogen |
| 21:35.59 | BulletCatcher | Yes. I can't think of any that will affect the tarballs. |
| 21:36.09 | blast007 | JeffM2501: then make doesn't work ;) |
| 21:36.11 | JeffM2501 | you run autogen so they can start with configure |
| 21:36.14 | BulletCatcher | He has to run configure to create the Makefile. |
| 21:36.23 | JeffM2501 | I thought autogen made the makefile |
| 21:36.35 | JeffM2501 | and configure just set options |
| 21:36.39 | BulletCatcher | Silly Windows developer. |
| 21:36.58 | JeffM2501 | no, I'm remembering from the last time I did a tarbal on linux ;) |
| 21:37.13 | JeffM2501 | cus don't the end users of the tarbal run configure themselves? |
| 21:37.22 | JeffM2501 | they just don't run autogen |
| 21:37.31 | BulletCatcher | Correct. |
| 21:37.37 | a_meteorite | dexter-: yes, CAN still exists. |
| 21:37.44 | brlcad | a successful distcheck should produce the source tarballs fully prepared |
| 21:37.51 | BulletCatcher | The Makefiles do not go into the tarball, but they are needed to create it. |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM2501 | BulletCatcher, ahhh |
| 21:38.07 | JeffM2501 | see I was close to actualy undertanding it :) |
| 21:38.12 | a_meteorite | dexter-: it is still being planned for a release, but we are not ready to set a date as of yet. |
| 21:38.21 | dexter- | lol |
| 21:38.22 | BulletCatcher | Missed it by that much: >< </maxwell smart> |
| 21:38.33 | dexter- | i think i could find that line in some logs from '06, a_meteorite |
| 21:38.39 | catay | i did the same, just autogen.sh && ./configure && make dist and the tarballs/zips are in the root of bzflag tree |
| 21:38.43 | a_meteorite | dexter-: you very likely could. |
| 21:38.44 | JeffM2501 | this is why I let others make the tarbals now :) |
| 21:39.25 | JeffM2501 | well at least the sf uploader dosn't use ftp anymore |
| 21:39.31 | JeffM2501 | but it's still odd |
| 21:39.32 | brlcad | some the only caveat is that you want to make the dist on a platform that has relatively recent versions of the autotools installed, as the resulting configure script will differ |
| 21:39.51 | catay | probably not a bad thing to add those extra steps to DEVINFO to make it a bit more clear |
| 21:40.01 | brlcad | not ftp, but sftp works nicely |
| 21:40.03 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, blast showed the versions of his stuff to BulletCatcher and he said they were cool |
| 21:40.13 | dexter- | well, Constitution, i guess you need to make a .dmg ;) |
| 21:40.15 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, it's all javascripty in browser stuff now |
| 21:40.21 | BulletCatcher | brlcad: Not too recent. |
| 21:40.27 | JeffM2501 | and it's not that fast |
| 21:40.28 | brlcad | JeffM2501: you don't have to go through the browser |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:40.37 | JeffM2501 | well thats' all I could find |
| 21:40.46 | JeffM2501 | cus they friggin moved everything |
| 21:41.03 | brlcad | it's all accessible via commands |
| 21:41.25 | brlcad | the only part I haven't been able to figure out is how to setup the release notes without the web interface |
| 21:41.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:41.39 | JeffM2501 | what is the "label" for a folder? |
| 21:42.13 | brlcad | label? |
| 21:42.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah when I click on a folder, it has a sidebar that comes up, has "name", "label", and "release notes for this folder" |
| 21:42.49 | JeffM2501 | and a save button |
| 21:43.01 | brlcad | not sure about label |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM2501 | files seem to have em too |
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| 21:44.15 | brlcad | "The label will display next to the folder name on the Files page." |
| 21:44.26 | brlcad | so it is just some text label you can add |
| 21:44.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:44.38 | brlcad | i haven't used that anywhere |
| 21:44.41 | brlcad | just the file name |
| 21:44.54 | brlcad | sftp sfusername@frs.sourceforge.net:/home/frs/project/b/bz/bzflag |
| 21:45.17 | brlcad | from there, you have access to everything to make dirs, put files, etc |
| 21:45.35 | brlcad | note that stats are lost if you move/remove a file |
| 21:53.06 | AAA_awright_ | Is it too late to fit in some client patches for this 2.0.14? |
| 21:53.16 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 21:53.35 | dexter- | 2.0.15 though :) |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM2501 | what are they? |
| 21:54.47 | brlcad | JeffM2501: fwiw, both dist and distcheck work -- distcheck creates the dist and validates it |
| 21:54.54 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:55.03 | brlcad | dexter-: so what was the problem? |
| 21:55.07 | JeffM2501 | well someone just has to upload the suckers, I don't care how they get made :) |
| 21:55.11 | dexter- | brlcad: uhm |
| 21:55.26 | brlcad | is it already tagged? |
| 21:55.28 | dexter- | i dont know :) I pasted what my terminal gave me when i tried to make |
| 21:55.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:55.35 | dexter- | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m6c41a54b |
| 21:55.47 | JeffM2501 | taged and bumnped to 15 in branch |
| 21:55.57 | JeffM2501 | windows is uploaded, just waiting on source before announcement |
| 21:56.03 | BulletCatcher | I would like to compare blast007's tarballs to mine before uploading, if you don't mind. |
| 21:56.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:56.11 | brlcad | dexter-: need more paset than than |
| 21:56.17 | brlcad | paste, need the compile line |
| 21:56.49 | brlcad | tupone was going to validate the source dist on gentoo for portage when it was ready |
| 21:56.52 | dexter- | oh no, i closed the terminal window |
| 21:57.03 | JeffM2501 | he was going thru that today |
| 21:57.13 | JeffM2501 | so I think he did |
| 21:57.25 | BulletCatcher | dexter-: just run "make" again and it will recreate the error without having to redo everything else. |
| 21:57.38 | JeffM2501 | and he was here and active when I said I was going to tag, specialy when I asked, "tell me if I can't tag" |
| 21:57.45 | brlcad | k |
| 21:57.45 | JeffM2501 | he did find some stuff to remove |
| 21:57.51 | JeffM2501 | so we should be good |
| 21:58.10 | brlcad | did that dmg image get posted somewhere? |
| 21:58.16 | dexter- | brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m29817f74 |
| 21:58.41 | JeffM2501 | I posted a win installer, but didn't know you had made a dmg |
| 21:58.49 | dexter- | 1.ld: warning: in /Library/Frameworks//SDL.framework/SDL, missing required architecture x86_64 in file |
| 21:59.07 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:59.08 | brlcad | that's the problem |
| 21:59.12 | JeffM2501 | did you install the 32 bit or 64 bit sdl? |
| 22:00.08 | brlcad | it's saying he's compiling 64-bit and that's a 32-bit SDL |
| 22:00.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that's why I asked the question ;) |
| 22:00.32 | brlcad | so dexter- you either need to force 32-bit compilation, or get a 64-bit sdl |
| 22:00.43 | AAA_awright | Where is CIA? |
| 22:00.48 | JeffM2501 | not here |
| 22:00.51 | dexter- | I do not know how to get a 64-bit sdl, i went to the mac dev center page |
| 22:00.51 | BulletCatcher | CIA is AFK |
| 22:00.58 | brlcad | CIA fell off yesterday |
| 22:01.01 | dexter- | and downloaded the Xcode it has for download there |
| 22:01.02 | brlcad | haven't investigated yet |
| 22:01.23 | JeffM2501 | what were the changes you wanted AAA_awright ? |
| 22:02.28 | AAA_awright | JeffM2501: I wanted to play around with my shot counter patch, but that would need a while for testing being a significant UI change |
| 22:02.33 | dexter- | brlcad: how do I get a 64 bit sdl? |
| 22:02.40 | AAA_awright | the reload indicator I mean |
| 22:02.47 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, yeah that's a bit much for a maint update |
| 22:02.52 | JeffM2501 | trunk is where that should go |
| 22:03.04 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 22:04.27 | blast007 | JeffM2501 / BulletCatcher: mine are in here: http://static.bzexcess.com/downloads/ |
| 22:04.32 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | jedi knight...whoot ;) |
| 22:07.30 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:08.33 | blast007 | only ever had the trial of that one ;) but used to be moderately fun to play on that old microsoft game network thingy.. forgot what it was called |
| 22:08.35 | Gabe_G23 | happy valentines day all :o |
| 22:09.14 | blast007 | and if people think the cheats in BZ were bad ... :P in jedi knight, you could delete the elevators, or make new objects, and so on |
| 22:09.27 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:09.45 | blast007 | we used to make forts |
| 22:09.48 | JeffM2501 | I picked em all up from steam when they had a "all jedi games" pack for like 20$ |
| 22:10.09 | blast007 | I was gonna buy it on steam, but then I figured it wouldn't run on my new system anyway |
| 22:10.22 | JeffM2501 | they tweaked em all to work |
| 22:10.27 | JeffM2501 | even dark forces runs |
| 22:10.41 | blast007 | it said that there was compatability issues with various systems |
| 22:10.46 | JeffM2501 | it comes prepacked with a little version of dosbox |
| 22:10.57 | blast007 | I'm talking about the one for Windows 95 |
| 22:11.04 | BulletCatcher | blast007, what umask do you use? Your scripts have mode 744 while mine have 755. |
| 22:11.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah some things don't work as well, like videos show up in a window |
| 22:11.11 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: let me check |
| 22:11.16 | blast007 | 0077 |
| 22:11.20 | JeffM2501 | but it can be played |
| 22:11.23 | JeffM2501 | all of em |
| 22:11.34 | blast007 | The name's Bond, Chmod Bond |
| 22:11.45 | BulletCatcher | It would be better to use umask 022 for the tarball build. |
| 22:11.45 | JeffM2501 | I've run em down from df1 up to the last one, on windows 7 |
| 22:12.04 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: should I tweak that and do it again? |
| 22:12.10 | BulletCatcher | Yes, please. |
| 22:12.50 | BulletCatcher | Hmm. You might have to check out from svn to make it work the way I want. |
| 22:13.00 | BulletCatcher | Let me think about this for a moment. |
| 22:13.18 | blast007 | I'm doing a new export anyway |
| 22:13.26 | blast007 | with the umask set before I do |
| 22:13.44 | blast007 | JeffM2501: k |
| 22:14.02 | BulletCatcher | If autogen.sh has mode 755, then the rest are probably correct too. |
| 22:15.28 | BulletCatcher | Another file to spot-check the mode of is plugins/python/BZReactor.py . |
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| 22:18.15 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: I posted new copies of the files, if that matters |
| 22:18.27 | BulletCatcher | I'll check again. Thanks. |
| 22:19.22 | blast007 | currently running a test build from my tar.gz |
| 22:22.58 | BulletCatcher | Your .bz2 file now matches mine, so the only thing left is to test building on as many different systems as possible. |
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| 22:28.03 | BulletCatcher | To be more clear, we should test building 2.0.14 from blast007's tarballs. |
| 22:33.00 | blast007 | well, the tar.gz one worked fine to build bzadmin and bzfs on my system |
| 22:33.22 | blast007 | need to get one with X installed to build the client ;) |
| 22:33.52 | BulletCatcher | I just briefly tested the client. I successfully died several times. :-) |
| 22:33.57 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:34.17 | blast007 | my patch worked! if (callsign == "BulletCatcher") killHim(); |
| 22:35.10 | BulletCatcher | I got a kill or two, too. :-p |
| 22:35.33 | bryjen | builds OK here |
| 22:36.21 | BulletCatcher | What OS? |
| 22:36.31 | bryjen | Slackware 13 |
| 22:36.40 | BulletCatcher | Cool. |
| 22:36.49 | blast007 | JeffM2501: can you get the VC9 project to open? doesn't see to do anything for me here |
| 22:36.53 | blast007 | the one from the .zip |
| 22:36.56 | JeffM2501 | working on it |
| 22:37.06 | JeffM2501 | my mom was on the phone, had to talk to her |
| 22:37.08 | blast007 | gonna reboot to see if my machine is just a bit wonky |
| 22:37.17 | JeffM2501 | the file is borked |
| 22:37.39 | JeffM2501 | drag it into the vc window |
| 22:38.29 | blast007 | weird |
| 22:38.34 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 22:38.36 | blast007 | it's been working from my checkout |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | probalby line endings |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | or an extra thingy |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | comparing now |
| 22:39.08 | blast007 | I saw it was using unix line endings |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | the unziper may handle line endings differently |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:39.08 | JeffM2501 | it's not "suposed" to care |
| 22:39.08 | blast007 | winrar doesn't convert them |
| 22:39.09 | blast007 | winzip does |
| 22:39.17 | blast007 | (or at least, can) |
| 22:39.27 | JeffM2501 | but the launcher thingy that converts .sln files into the correct version of vc is VERY picky |
| 22:39.35 | JeffM2501 | we may have an extra newline in the file or something |
| 22:39.41 | JeffM2501 | trying to find a differ |
| 22:39.45 | blast007 | ok |
| 22:41.59 | blast007 | I see an extra line ending at the end |
| 22:42.05 | blast007 | the one from the zip has two |
| 22:42.07 | JeffM2501 | that'd be it |
| 22:42.10 | blast007 | one from my checkout has one |
| 22:42.19 | blast007 | er wait, maybe not |
| 22:42.32 | blast007 | was just my editor's extra padding at the bottom ;) |
| 22:42.33 | JeffM2501 | I opened the file in notepad |
| 22:42.36 | JeffM2501 | added a newline |
| 22:42.41 | JeffM2501 | changed it to txt |
| 22:42.44 | JeffM2501 | opened it in vc |
| 22:42.56 | JeffM2501 | vc said that it had mismatched lines, so i had it convert to windows |
| 22:43.02 | JeffM2501 | took out the newline I added |
| 22:43.06 | JeffM2501 | changed back to sln and it's fine |
| 22:43.19 | *** part/#bzflag dexter- (~Adium@bzflag/player/Dexter) |
| 22:43.34 | JeffM2501 | this is why I usualy make the zip file just from an export |
| 22:43.39 | JeffM2501 | so it's all in windows format |
| 22:44.46 | blast007 | this was from an export ;) just.. on linux |
| 22:45.05 | JeffM2501 | I mean I don't run the dist stuff, just export and zip the entire friggin thing |
| 22:45.22 | JeffM2501 | none of this "run autogen" for em |
| 22:45.31 | blast007 | there isn't an eol-style prop on the project files |
| 22:45.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:45.43 | JeffM2501 | it probably should be set to windows |
| 22:45.51 | JeffM2501 | even tho VC itself dosn't care |
| 22:45.53 | blast007 | think it is for trunk |
| 22:46.05 | JeffM2501 | the checker does |
| 22:46.12 | BulletCatcher | hangs his head for not fixing branch properties |
| 22:46.22 | JeffM2501 | I can fix that one file, and rezip |
| 22:46.28 | JeffM2501 | that's the only one that matters |
| 22:47.00 | JeffM2501 | or I can tarbal the export from windows ( my prefered solution) so its' all in windows format |
| 22:47.06 | JeffM2501 | since the zip is kinda "for windows" |
| 22:47.24 | BulletCatcher | I suggest doing whatever you think is best for the zip file. |
| 22:47.26 | BulletCatcher | So far, the tar files appear to be fine and ready for release. |
| 22:47.37 | JeffM2501 | the zip builds |
| 22:47.45 | JeffM2501 | so upload those tars and I'll do windows |
| 22:49.05 | JeffM2501 | I've had lots of issues with the VC version picker lately |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | it's gotten a lot more picky |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:49.47 | BulletCatcher | I would prefer to upload them all at once, just in case we find a really serious problem on the Windows side that requires commits. |
| 22:49.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm uploading the windows one now |
| 22:50.22 | JeffM2501 | 4 cores make my builds kinda quick ;) |
| 22:50.30 | JeffM2501 | and I had a build from the tag anyway |
| 22:50.38 | BulletCatcher | Okay, then. blast007, you'll do the honors? |
| 22:51.23 | JeffM2501 | now if I was at work I could build bzflag in about 90 seconds :) |
| 22:51.47 | BulletCatcher | If they paid you more, you could afford a faster home machine. :-) |
| 22:52.32 | JeffM2501 | oh I could afford a faster home machine now |
| 22:52.35 | JeffM2501 | I just don't need it |
| 22:52.49 | BulletCatcher | Sure you do. |
| 22:52.53 | JeffM2501 | it's a q6600 overclocked a bit |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM2501 | it's fine for what I do on it |
| 22:53.10 | JeffM2501 | at work we have a nice distributed system that uses all the dev machines |
| 22:53.29 | JeffM2501 | took our product's build time from about an hour to just over six min. |
| 22:54.13 | JeffM2501 | tho we get to screw off a lot less now :( |
| 22:55.04 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. Back in the day, I had a book to read while waiting for compiles. |
| 22:56.40 | JeffM2501 | "your file is currently being uploaded, please wait"...... |
| 22:56.52 | JeffM2501 | how long can it take a web page to upload 11 megs? |
| 22:57.24 | JeffM2501 | does guess his upstream is less then awesome |
| 22:57.32 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: "honors" meaning uploading the tar.gz and tar.bz2? |
| 22:57.36 | BulletCatcher | They give us the performance of 18 years ago to match the age of our software. |
| 22:57.43 | BulletCatcher | Yes, blast007. |
| 22:57.45 | blast007 | JeffM2501: you gonna do the .zip one? |
| 22:57.58 | blast007 | I could do that one as well if you want |
| 22:58.57 | blast007 | JeffM2501: or are you already doing it? |
| 22:59.09 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing the zip |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM2501 | well trying |
| 22:59.14 | JeffM2501 | VERY HARD |
| 22:59.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:59.52 | JeffM2501 | moving to a proper ssh client |
| 23:00.11 | blast007 | oh, should I do them that way..? or is the web interface fine? |
| 23:00.23 | blast007 | never done a file release before ;) |
| 23:00.25 | JeffM2501 | web worked for win installer, but didn't work for source for me |
| 23:00.35 | blast007 | k, guess I'll find out |
| 23:00.40 | JeffM2501 | web is SLOWER then heck tho |
| 23:01.28 | blast007 | turns off his torrents :P |
| 23:01.31 | blast007 | there, much faster |
| 23:01.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:02.01 | blast007 | halfway on the bz2 ;) |
| 23:02.14 | JeffM2501 | you sir have more upstream then I do |
| 23:02.18 | JeffM2501 | I just hit 76% |
| 23:02.21 | blast007 | 1mbps |
| 23:02.32 | JeffM2501 | 768 I think |
| 23:02.55 | blast007 | doing the gz now |
| 23:04.10 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.14 "This isn't the release you are looking for" TBR ummm.. now |
| 23:04.22 | JeffM2501 | hits the button |
| 23:04.25 | blast007 | .gz is done |
| 23:05.19 | BulletCatcher | submits the first SF bug report against 2.0.14 |
| 23:06.30 | JeffM2501 | guess all we need is a mac build and we are set |
| 23:06.31 | BulletCatcher | Argh. The bz2 file has an extra .tar extension. |
| 23:06.52 | JeffM2501 | doh.... |
| 23:06.53 | catay | yup, noticed that also |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM2501 | you can rename it in ssh |
| 23:07.23 | JeffM2501 | wow, 4 people have downloaded the windows version |
| 23:07.38 | blast007 | eh, when did that get there |
| 23:07.46 | blast007 | stupid google chrome |
| 23:08.17 | blast007 | for some reason chrome decided it would be a good idea to add that .. |
| 23:08.57 | JeffM2501 | just in case you didn't know |
| 23:09.22 | blast007 | hmm, maybe it's just my web server. IE wants to save it as .tar.tar |
| 23:09.36 | JeffM2501 | that jar jar's brother? |
| 23:09.48 | blast007 | yes, yes it is |
| 23:09.57 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 23:10.33 | blast007 | guess I've never put a tar.bz2 file in there to know it was busted |
| 23:12.59 | blast007 | so I just need to rename it via SFTP? |
| 23:13.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:13.20 | blast007 | "Error message from server: Permission denied" |
| 23:13.21 | blast007 | :/ |
| 23:13.56 | JeffM2501 | fixed it |
| 23:14.04 | blast007 | k |
| 23:14.07 | JeffM2501 | seems you CAN rename in the web inteface |
| 23:14.11 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | wiki has been updated |
| 23:14.27 | JeffM2501 | fourms have a notice |
| 23:14.33 | blast007 | was that before or after I tried to rename it? cuz maybe that's why it failed ;D |
| 23:14.35 | JeffM2501 | shadow post in news for the main page |
| 23:14.41 | JeffM2501 | after |
| 23:14.44 | blast007 | k |
| 23:14.49 | JeffM2501 | I didbn't try till you said you had fail |
| 23:14.55 | BulletCatcher | It looks good now. |
| 23:14.56 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.58 | delusional | gank?? |
| 23:15.03 | JeffM2501 | pull |
| 23:15.05 | JeffM2501 | yank |
| 23:15.07 | JeffM2501 | yonink |
| 23:15.09 | JeffM2501 | rip off |
| 23:15.14 | JeffM2501 | exploit |
| 23:15.22 | JeffM2501 | pilfer |
| 23:15.23 | JeffM2501 | steal |
| 23:15.32 | delusional | pilch |
| 23:15.38 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 23:16.24 | JeffM2501 | I did not mean it in it's MMO useage meaning "to backstab so hard that the character's alt feels it" |
| 23:18.31 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, so they took out all the "notify watchers" stuff and just replaced it with rss feeds? |
| 23:18.49 | *** join/#bzflag Bambino (~412629a3@gateway/web/freenode/x-dzsqpzkdyqqpfrdr) |
| 23:19.15 | brad | set font proFont - no longer has any effect? |
| 23:20.34 | blast007 | not if the font doesn't exist - it was removed from 2.0.14 afaik |
| 23:20.34 | *** join/#bzflag dexter- (~Adium@bzflag/player/Dexter) |
| 23:20.47 | JeffM2501 | we can't ship proFont |
| 23:20.48 | dexter- | is there a mac .dmg as of yet |
| 23:20.48 | a_meteorite | licensing issue, right |
| 23:20.55 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 23:21.06 | JeffM2501 | profont is free but not open source |
| 23:21.22 | JeffM2501 | and we techincaly broke it's license by converting it to our format |
| 23:22.27 | dexter- | ok |
| 23:23.01 | brad | !! |
| 23:23.17 | brad | ok, thx |
| 23:23.31 | JeffM2501 | that's one reason we moved to TTF for v3, so that we CAN use these fonts |
| 23:23.44 | dexter- | ugh |
| 23:23.49 | dexter- | somebody make a mac client ;) |
| 23:23.53 | JeffM2501 | they will |
| 23:24.13 | JeffM2501 | last time it took em 3 months, so you can give em a day or so this time ;) |
| 23:25.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah the big problem with profont is the "unmodified" part in the font docs |
| 23:27.03 | JeffM2501 | actualy that means I have to remove it from the fourms too :( |
| 23:28.25 | BulletCatcher | I just pushed the final 2.0.14 changelog into the wiki page. |
| 23:28.38 | JeffM2501 | thansk |
| 23:29.18 | temporalD | good job guys - thanks for all the work on this |
| 23:29.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah now if we could only, you know release a version with featuers :) |
| 23:29.41 | temporalD | it build fine on my mac - but I don't know the ins/outs of making a release version |
| 23:31.17 | JeffM2501 | temporalD, it involves sacrafice |
| 23:31.35 | temporalD | heh - I know a goat |
| 23:31.43 | JeffM2501 | baby seal |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM2501 | that's why it's not documented |
| 23:33.00 | blast007 | well, let's see if my 2k pro vm will install *this* time .. |
| 23:33.37 | blast007 | nope! oh well. |
| 23:34.23 | temporalD | OSX version is always later - we expect it |
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| 23:36.32 | *** join/#bzflag Murielle (~Murielle@unaffiliated/murielle) |
| 23:36.42 | blast007 | wow, SF's page really looks bad in IE6 |
| 23:37.03 | blast007 | the "Download Now!" button has the thumbs up logo to the left of it |
| 23:37.25 | blast007 | and when you mouse over the download button, it turns into the thumbs down image ;) |
| 23:37.59 | *** part/#bzflag Murielle (~Murielle@unaffiliated/murielle) |
| 23:39.17 | BulletCatcher | That's just their way of encouraging you to upgrade. |
| 23:39.20 | BulletCatcher | To Firefox. |
| 23:39.35 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: hehe, well, I'm using a stock install of XP SP3 ;) |
| 23:39.48 | blast007 | couldn't even download the file |
| 23:39.52 | blast007 | crashed when it got to that page |
| 23:42.28 | BulletCatcher | If you run Microsoft Update it ought to take you to IE 7. |
| 23:43.16 | blast007 | I know |
| 23:43.28 | blast007 | I'm just trying it in a VM to make sure it runs ;) |
| 23:46.13 | blast007 | success in both Win 7 and XP SP3 :) |
| 23:46.17 | blast007 | with no updates installed |
| 23:47.04 | blast007 | 2k will be the only one that will need extra crap installed (newer directX, and I think something else) |
| 23:47.26 | blast007 | crap |
| 23:47.46 | blast007 | JeffM2501: the anisotropic setting says "Unavailable" for me |
| 23:47.57 | JeffM2501 | what target did you build? |
| 23:48.02 | JeffM2501 | release or release pdcurses? |
| 23:48.04 | blast007 | that's from the installer |
| 23:48.07 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:48.11 | JeffM2501 | poop |
| 23:48.34 | JeffM2501 | well that sucks |
| 23:49.12 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I just built wrong |
| 23:49.34 | blast007 | doing the same thing in my build here |
| 23:49.50 | JeffM2501 | I shall endevor to figure out why |
| 23:50.25 | blast007 | might be related to the fact it was failing to link before? |
| 23:50.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't think so |
| 23:51.49 | JeffM2501 | I may have missed a HAVE_GLEW |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | not all the gl stuff is in bzflag anymore |
| 23:52.51 | JeffM2501 | see this is why I wanted people to test it yesterday :) |
| 23:53.10 | JeffM2501 | not a major thing |
| 23:53.20 | JeffM2501 | worst case we just reupload |
| 23:53.41 | blast007 | well, didn't notice that until now ;) |
| 23:53.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a minor thing to go look for |
| 23:54.01 | blast007 | only went there cuz in my VMs defaulted to the lowest settings |
| 23:54.19 | blast007 | s/in // |
| 23:55.42 | blast007 | is it just me, or are the SF.net mirrows really slow? |
| 23:55.52 | blast007 | only getting like 50KB/sec download here |
| 23:56.23 | BulletCatcher | Different mirrors will have different speeds. |
| 23:56.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah I missed a #def |
| 23:56.40 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: I seem to keep getting the sucky ones though :P |
| 23:56.44 | temporalD | mirrors work at the speed of light for me - your milage may vary |
| 23:56.47 | JeffM2501 | I can fix it in the tag and rebuild |
| 23:56.54 | blast007 | k |
| 23:57.14 | JeffM2501 | OGL needed it |
| 23:57.49 | *** join/#bzflag mrapplecomputer1 (~mrappleco@bzflag/player/MrAppleComputer) |
| 23:59.07 | blast007 | should we pull any of the files for now? |
| 23:59.24 | JeffM2501 | only windows has the problem |
| 23:59.30 | JeffM2501 | and I'm fixing it's source zip now |
| 23:59.34 | blast007 | k |
| 23:59.46 | JeffM2501 | if you want to rebuild and upload the tarballs that'd be awesome |
| 23:59.56 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly all you have to do is just update ogl.vcproj |
