| 00:09.49 | BulletCatcher | What needs to be done to tag bzflag-2.0.14.exe with a little Windows icon on the SF download page? |
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| 00:17.44 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: should be right now |
| 00:17.55 | blast007 | it's in the Admin > File Manager section |
| 00:18.08 | blast007 | forgot to set it as the default download for windows |
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| 00:57.39 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20851 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: 2.0.x still needs the -geometry option. |
| 00:59.35 | trepan | where would yall want the FontSettings menu for BZ 2.99.x; sub menu from Option Settings, Text Settings, merged into Text Settings? (three font options: console, serif, and sans serif) |
| 01:01.00 | trepan | damn, fonts (or something) is slow in 2.99.x ... |
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| 03:02.48 | Constitution | brlcad: cool |
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| 04:16.50 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20852 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/windows/View.cpp: accept Runic's sf patch 2952263 (Event loss in BzWorkbench) that fixes an issue where events were not being forwarded to OSG |
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| 04:58.01 | Runic | added 2 more patches for bzworkbench |
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| 04:59.05 | Wreckage | Testing from iPod touch... |
| 04:59.41 | temporalD | what were all those odd characters just then? |
| 05:00.13 | Runic | lol |
| 05:00.36 | brlcad | Runic: to be continued in a few hours :) |
| 05:01.12 | Runic | brlcad: no problem - I'm going to bed soon |
| 05:02.14 | Runic | brlcad: these are patches I been sitting on since Nov |
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| 05:41.12 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20853 10/trunk/bzworkbench/include/Transform.h: Remove unused "LastTransform" enumeration element. |
| 05:41.48 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20854 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/objects/bz2object.cpp: Remove unused variable. |
| 05:43.10 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20855 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/model/BZWParser.cpp: |
| 05:43.10 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: Use unsigned variable where needed to avoid a compiler warning. |
| 05:43.10 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: Add newline at EOF. |
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| 10:17.59 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20856 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (9 files): |
| 10:17.59 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: * added "Font Options" as a sub-menu to "Text Options" |
| 10:17.59 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: (i think that some of the options should be moved around) |
| 10:20.23 | trepan | note that you can use downloaded fonts if you first start the menu after having joined a server that uses downloaded fonts, might be something else to fix |
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| 18:27.38 | BulletCatcher | Just a heads-up that the proposal described at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange has been accepted for Fedora 13 (in development). |
| 18:27.41 | BulletCatcher | The impact seems to be that bzfs must be explicitly linked with -ldl . I am working with the Fedora BZFlag packager to find the best way to do this without unnecessarily doing the same for bzflag and bzadmin. |
| 18:31.23 | JeffM2501 | what does that actualy do to the app? |
| 18:31.46 | BulletCatcher | It doesn't change the way it works. |
| 18:32.00 | BulletCatcher | Right now, libdl is linked in implicitly. |
| 18:32.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh, they want it to be specified |
| 18:32.29 | BulletCatcher | Yes. It won't affect Windows. :-) |
| 18:32.54 | JeffM2501 | I know that |
| 18:33.07 | JeffM2501 | I was just curious about it |
| 18:34.28 | BulletCatcher | The bad news is that there may be pressure to release 2.0.16 if other Linux distros adopt the same change. |
| 18:34.50 | JeffM2501 | make a 2.0.14.2 |
| 18:34.57 | JeffM2501 | and make that be the sourcecode release |
| 18:35.12 | JeffM2501 | then base the packages on that |
| 18:36.20 | BulletCatcher | If that's what you want. The distros won't care about the exact version number as long as our code works for them. |
| 18:36.35 | JeffM2501 | making a 16 for a simple link issue is silly |
| 18:36.42 | JeffM2501 | we should be using the last number anyway |
| 18:36.51 | JeffM2501 | that's why we moved the numbers out for v3 |
| 18:36.57 | JeffM2501 | to have more leeway with numbers |
| 18:37.27 | JeffM2501 | had this been v3, 'wed have just slamed out 3.0.2 and 3.0.4 as needed |
| 18:37.36 | JeffM2501 | as 3.2 would be the next feature update |
| 18:38.16 | JeffM2501 | so just shoehorn in whatever we need into the 4th number for now and it'll get cleaner in 3 ;) |
| 18:39.01 | BulletCatcher | How would that plan fit in with 2.0.15 in svn? |
| 18:39.13 | JeffM2501 | update svn with the same change |
| 18:39.23 | JeffM2501 | and just put .14.2 into the tag |
| 18:39.39 | JeffM2501 | it means we use the tag like a branch and that sucks, but at least we can get it out |
| 18:40.04 | BulletCatcher | Okay. We'll work out the details later if necessary. |
| 18:40.22 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:40.32 | JeffM2501 | too bad we didn't know this last week :/ |
| 18:41.04 | BulletCatcher | It didn't come up until I mentioned that 2.0.14 was released. |
| 18:41.20 | BulletCatcher | For now I'll just commit any appropriate changes to trunk and v2_0branch. |
| 18:52.54 | Erroneous | if the only motivation is because distros want it, the packagers can make the appropriate changes themselves. |
| 18:53.25 | Erroneous | not everything has to be merged upstream immediately |
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| 19:06.26 | JeffM2501 | this is true |
| 19:06.42 | JeffM2501 | make the change in branch and they can backport it if they want |
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| 19:09.06 | fluffymcduff | hey im having a bit of trouble compiling the latest 2.99 |
| 19:09.15 | JeffM2501 | blast007, Constitution is there anything oyu need off vps? |
| 19:09.18 | JeffM2501 | fluffymcduff, what OS? |
| 19:09.25 | fluffymcduff | Snow Leopard |
| 19:09.26 | blast007 | OSX 10.6 |
| 19:09.35 | blast007 | it's not picking up SDL |
| 19:09.43 | blast007 | so it's trying to use the native mac platform code |
| 19:09.51 | JeffM2501 | did he get the SDL that matches his bitness? |
| 19:09.59 | JeffM2501 | 64vs32 |
| 19:10.13 | fluffymcduff | http://pastebin.com/m19691174 |
| 19:10.15 | blast007 | he built SDL 1.3 from their SVN |
| 19:10.22 | Constitution | JeffM2501: nope |
| 19:10.49 | JeffM2501 | did he do autogen and configure after he installed the SDL platform? |
| 19:10.59 | fluffymcduff | ooh, i didnt autogen. |
| 19:11.01 | blast007 | shouldn't have to autogen, but yes, did configure |
| 19:11.02 | JeffM2501 | blast007, Constitution ok, cus I'm gonna delete it, sa it's time to pay |
| 19:11.13 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah, go for it |
| 19:11.17 | JeffM2501 | was the platform installed properly? |
| 19:11.22 | JeffM2501 | cus that's probalby the issue |
| 19:11.28 | fluffymcduff | SDL? |
| 19:11.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:11.38 | fluffymcduff | ill go check |
| 19:11.46 | JeffM2501 | it has to be installed in the right place so the tools can find it |
| 19:11.50 | blast007 | not sure if 'make install' is the right way to do it, or if there's anything special that needs to be done |
| 19:11.58 | fluffymcduff | i did a make install |
| 19:12.09 | JeffM2501 | that's probably where the problem lies, in getting it hooked up the "mac way" |
| 19:12.15 | JeffM2501 | make install probalby did it the linux way |
| 19:12.19 | blast007 | yeah, silly macs ;) |
| 19:12.23 | fluffymcduff | D: |
| 19:12.35 | JeffM2501 | it has to be setup as a "framework" |
| 19:12.44 | blast007 | fluffymcduff: might try looking on the forum as well - might be someone else who tried this |
| 19:12.56 | fluffymcduff | ill go root around the readmes for a bit. |
| 19:13.05 | Constitution | fluffymcduff: where did you put SDL.framework? |
| 19:13.14 | fluffymcduff | i didn't |
| 19:13.25 | fluffymcduff | oh, did it make a .framework? |
| 19:13.29 | blast007 | Constitution: where would that be found? |
| 19:13.43 | Constitution | no, you need to download it and put it in /Library/Frameworks |
| 19:13.58 | JeffM2501 | he tried to build it himself from source |
| 19:14.04 | JeffM2501 | but just did make install |
| 19:14.05 | Constitution | oh |
| 19:14.14 | JeffM2501 | that probably didn't do a framework :) |
| 19:14.18 | JeffM2501 | you should not have to build it |
| 19:14.41 | Constitution | technically that should work I guess |
| 19:14.54 | Constitution | you'd just have to tell configure where it is |
| 19:15.05 | JeffM2501 | configure is going to assume a framework |
| 19:15.13 | JeffM2501 | it's best to get it installed as a framework |
| 19:16.01 | fluffymcduff | i found no framework |
| 19:16.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah make install does a unix style thing |
| 19:16.59 | JeffM2501 | per there faq |
| 19:17.02 | blast007 | Constitution: is there a 1.3 binary? |
| 19:17.12 | fluffymcduff | it said it sould work... |
| 19:17.18 | JeffM2501 | what is "it" |
| 19:17.19 | blast007 | cuz I thought 2.99.x and/or OSX 10.6 only worked with SDL 1.3 |
| 19:17.31 | fluffymcduff | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.39 | fluffymcduff | *./configure |
| 19:17.44 | JeffM2501 | well sure it worked |
| 19:17.45 | blast007 | the readme for SDL said that? |
| 19:17.46 | JeffM2501 | unix style |
| 19:17.53 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't assume unix style |
| 19:18.04 | fluffymcduff | but it said to do that in the README.MacOSX file |
| 19:18.18 | JeffM2501 | it should have said to download the framework |
| 19:18.24 | JeffM2501 | but then it's dev code, docs may be wrong |
| 19:18.38 | Constitution | dunno about trunk... but I can build branch with sdl 1.2 on snow leopard |
| 19:18.59 | blast007 | later down in the readme there is a "Building the framework" |
| 19:19.24 | JeffM2501 | fluffymcduff, I'd try the premade framework first |
| 19:19.30 | Constitution | http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.14.dmg |
| 19:19.33 | JeffM2501 | then if that dosn't work, remove it and build the framework from code |
| 19:19.33 | fluffymcduff | is there one? |
| 19:19.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah that |
| 19:20.58 | fluffymcduff | should i go with 1.2? |
| 19:21.17 | JeffM2501 | that is the stable |
| 19:21.20 | JeffM2501 | so start there |
| 19:21.28 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't work then you'll know |
| 19:22.15 | blast007 | there might be a 'make uninstall' for SDL 1.3 to get rid of it |
| 19:22.55 | fluffymcduff | there we go |
| 19:23.11 | fluffymcduff | i didn't see another SDL library, so it may not have done anything. |
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| 19:23.37 | fluffymcduff | once more... |
| 19:27.02 | JeffM2501 | with feeling |
| 19:27.08 | fluffymcduff | back in a moment guys, im gonna switch to colloquy |
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| 19:30.14 | fluffymcduff_ | aha |
| 19:31.45 | JeffM2501 | did you get the binary framework installed? |
| 19:31.49 | fluffymcduff_ | yep |
| 19:31.56 | JeffM2501 | did you run configure again/ |
| 19:31.57 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 19:31.58 | fluffymcduff_ | it looks like its doing fine |
| 19:32.15 | JeffM2501 | well you'll have to see when it runs, but at least our default configure now can find what it's looking for |
| 19:32.23 | fluffymcduff_ | even though it almost seems as if it's starting over... |
| 19:32.28 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 19:32.43 | JeffM2501 | configure remakes the build files |
| 19:32.48 | fluffymcduff_ | D: |
| 19:32.57 | JeffM2501 | so it has to do em all over again so it uses the right stuff |
| 19:33.00 | fluffymcduff_ | it takes such a long time... |
| 19:33.15 | JeffM2501 | welcome to development |
| 19:33.19 | JeffM2501 | how many cores do you have? |
| 19:33.27 | fluffymcduff_ | oh yeah, and blast started a mumble thing |
| 19:33.35 | fluffymcduff_ | JeffM2501: 2 |
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| 19:34.35 | JeffM2501 | there is a way to tell gcc to compile more the one thing at a time, but I forget the switch |
| 19:34.35 | fluffymcduff | the mumble.cxx file just popped up |
| 19:34.53 | fluffymcduff | does a little dance |
| 19:34.56 | dexter- | what was the standard font (before change) that was used for the the callsign, Read and date/time |
| 19:35.16 | JeffM2501 | you do know that 2.99.xx is incompatable with 2.0.x right? |
| 19:35.22 | fluffymcduff | yep |
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| 19:37.44 | fluffymcduff | JVIPRWEJNILN AHHH ERROR |
| 19:38.34 | fluffymcduff | http://pastebin.com/m4e9d0129 |
| 19:39.25 | blast007 | at least it's trying to build with SDL now though :) |
| 19:39.27 | fluffymcduff | all related to SDL |
| 19:39.42 | blast007 | did you 'make uninstall' SDL 1.3 first? |
| 19:39.46 | fluffymcduff | no |
| 19:39.50 | blast007 | try that |
| 19:40.05 | blast007 | it might be trying to mix 1.3 and 1.2 |
| 19:40.41 | fluffymcduff | now i have to ./configure and make all over again..................... |
| 19:41.04 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 19:41.10 | blast007 | do you have a dual-core system? |
| 19:41.14 | fluffymcduff | yes |
| 19:41.22 | blast007 | do 'make -j3' next time then |
| 19:41.31 | blast007 | should build faster on a dual-core system |
| 19:41.34 | fluffymcduff | intel core 2 duo |
| 19:41.45 | JeffM2501 | that will compile 3 thigns at a time |
| 19:42.00 | JeffM2501 | but yes, as you work with dev code you often have to rebuild |
| 19:42.11 | fluffymcduff | it didnt work again... |
| 19:42.32 | fluffymcduff | ill come back in a sec |
| 19:43.07 | Constitution | must be some other error, we never commit code that doesn't compile ;) |
| 19:43.23 | blast007 | lol |
| 19:46.33 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20857 10/trunk/bzworkbench/AUTHORS: |
| 19:46.33 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: formalize and organize the contributors to BZWorkbench. include everyone that |
| 19:46.33 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: has committed to bzwb source, sorted by date of first contribution, with |
| 19:46.33 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: expanded information on real names, aliases, area of contribution, and years |
| 19:46.33 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: commits were made. |
| 19:48.33 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20858 10/trunk/bzworkbench/AUTHORS: credit runic for his code contributions to date |
| 19:53.35 | *** join/#bzflag tommy_ (~tommy@ppp-70-129-140-124.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 19:54.04 | Guest48012 | is there a way to share admin for a bzflag server without sharing password? |
| 19:54.21 | Guest48012 | i'm currently running the bzflag server at atrixnet.com and needing some admins |
| 19:54.26 | Guest48012 | i just want to know the safe way to do it |
| 19:55.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah global groups |
| 19:55.35 | JeffM2501 | request a group on the fourms, add your admins fourm acounts to it, then give that group whatever perms you want in a groups file on your server and that's it |
| 19:55.36 | Guest48012 | is that something you pass in on the commandline when starting up bzfs? |
| 19:55.43 | JeffM2501 | that's part of it |
| 19:55.51 | JeffM2501 | there are posts on how to set it up on the forums |
| 19:55.52 | Guest48012 | ok |
| 19:55.56 | JeffM2501 | in the server admin section |
| 19:56.00 | Guest48012 | excellent |
| 19:56.21 | Guest48012 | to whom would I direct my group creation request? |
| 19:56.29 | Guest48012 | any particular area of the forums I should do that? |
| 19:56.32 | JeffM2501 | there is a thread for requesting thuing |
| 19:56.34 | JeffM2501 | them |
| 19:56.49 | JeffM2501 | read the post it'll tell you what to do |
| 19:58.13 | Guest48012 | i'll look up the post then |
| 19:58.35 | Guest48012 | just trying to do my part to keep the server free of creeps and promote an atmosphere of fair gameplay |
| 19:59.00 | Guest48012 | my time resources are extremely limited, so using admin groups is a huge step in the right direction (I hope) |
| 19:59.12 | Guest48012 | I'm happy to provide the server, but happier to make it a good one |
| 19:59.27 | JeffM2501 | most servers use groups not /password |
| 19:59.38 | Guest48012 | i also have plans to regularly allow user-submitted maps that are submitted through a place I'll set up on the atrixnet.com website |
| 19:59.53 | Guest48012 | this concept of groups is great |
| 20:01.02 | JeffM2501 | it's been around for a while |
| 20:01.20 | dexter- | Guest48012: do you run the atrix.net servers? |
| 20:01.28 | Guest48012 | yes, I'm tommy |
| 20:01.36 | Guest48012 | i run the atrixnet.com bzflag service |
| 20:01.43 | dexter- | you just said |
| 20:01.59 | dexter- | i have a player who uses my name unidentified on your servers a lot |
| 20:02.06 | Guest48012 | originally set up for my son to play it locally with family over a vpn, now gone public |
| 20:02.08 | dexter- | mind requring identification in your group file? |
| 20:02.21 | dexter- | rather bothersome |
| 20:02.36 | Guest48012 | i will have to learn how to do that |
| 20:02.45 | dexter- | I've tried to talk to him but he's an out of the box noob and won't respond to any messages |
| 20:02.45 | Guest48012 | i'll read up about group files tonight |
| 20:02.56 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20859 10/trunk/bzworkbench/AUTHORS: annotate what some folks worked on |
| 20:02.59 | Guest48012 | yeah he prolly has no idea how to /msg |
| 20:03.03 | dexter- | Ok, or honestly, just ban my name |
| 20:03.08 | dexter- | i never play there much anyways |
| 20:03.14 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, then why do you care? |
| 20:03.22 | dexter- | because i show up on strayers? |
| 20:03.36 | JeffM2501 | that's a proplem with his site, not Guest48012's server |
| 20:03.54 | dexter- | you just won't give him the bzids |
| 20:03.56 | JeffM2501 | tell strayer to fix the bugs in his code that don't check the BZID |
| 20:04.05 | dexter- | at least, so he says |
| 20:04.09 | JeffM2501 | sure we can, just not the way he wants to get them |
| 20:04.46 | JeffM2501 | that's the root of the problem, not some random server owners pollicy |
| 20:05.00 | dexter- | i'm not exactly familiar with the way he wants to get them |
| 20:05.07 | JeffM2501 | he polls the servers |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM2501 | using game info connect messages |
| 20:05.19 | JeffM2501 | and that dosn't have all the info he wants |
| 20:05.27 | dexter- | perhaps it is, but whats the problem with requiring identificiation? |
| 20:05.36 | JeffM2501 | techincaly nothing |
| 20:05.54 | dexter- | just lets other people use other peoples callsigns, it annoys many more people than just myself |
| 20:05.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm just making sure you arn't trying to push the burden of strayer making his system better, on every admin who happens to have a player with your name ;) |
| 20:06.16 | dexter- | believe me, i've been through this with strayer many times |
| 20:06.21 | JeffM2501 | it is not a bad setting, tho I don't think it's always clear to the user what they have to change |
| 20:06.23 | dexter- | What way would be better to get the bzids then? |
| 20:06.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't see why people care what strayer's stats say as tehy can't be trusted |
| 20:06.45 | Chestal | as far as I understand it, the only way for strayer to get the info (whether a plyer is actually globally identified) would be to really join the server as a player |
| 20:06.58 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, yes |
| 20:07.02 | JeffM2501 | in the current protocoll |
| 20:07.05 | JeffM2501 | or install a plugin |
| 20:07.26 | Chestal | so no real way to solve it now, but as you say, just live with the weaknesses |
| 20:07.36 | Chestal | the site is still immensely useful as is |
| 20:07.45 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather him join as an observer |
| 20:07.49 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20860 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:07.49 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: apply runic's sf patch 2952544 ( bzworkbench single button mouse and |
| 20:07.49 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: non-extended keyboard compatibility ) that makes some changes supporting |
| 20:07.49 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: one-button mice (by providing control/alt modifiers provide 2nd and 3rd buttons) |
| 20:07.49 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: and mac key bindings for delete/backspace. not ideal as this should be |
| 20:07.50 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: abstracted a bit more, but no critical problem with the patch comes to mind. |
| 20:07.53 | JeffM2501 | then owners could ban them if they want to |
| 20:08.01 | JeffM2501 | rather then him silently stalking it |
| 20:08.14 | JeffM2501 | well we'll have global stats at some point probably |
| 20:08.21 | Guest48012 | gonna go ahead and sign off. I'm sure I'll be back for more direction as I get this unfolded and set up |
| 20:08.32 | Chestal | sure, push stats are a much better solution |
| 20:08.38 | Guest48012 | my thanks to everyone's warm responses and non-hostile attitudes |
| 20:08.38 | JeffM2501 | it'd be going a lot better if more then just me cared about it :) |
| 20:08.48 | Guest48012 | a good community from what I can tell |
| 20:08.50 | JeffM2501 | it seems that strayer wans it, but dosn't seem to want to work on it ;) |
| 20:08.53 | JeffM2501 | have fun man |
| 20:09.09 | Guest48012 | c u all l8r |
| 20:10.02 | dexter- | global stats, how will those work jeff? |
| 20:10.08 | dexter- | the servers just send them out? |
| 20:10.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:10.12 | dexter- | scores, caps, etc et |
| 20:10.13 | dexter- | c |
| 20:10.14 | JeffM2501 | to a central system |
| 20:10.21 | dexter- | satu and I were thinking about something btw, for his guc. |
| 20:10.29 | JeffM2501 | then sites can query that system with an API to get data |
| 20:10.29 | dexter- | couple years back |
| 20:10.34 | dexter- | if it'd be possible to have a live feed of the map |
| 20:10.36 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p54B40683.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:10.36 | dexter- | kinda interesting |
| 20:10.42 | JeffM2501 | hahahah |
| 20:10.50 | JeffM2501 | so who's the little bird? ;) |
| 20:11.07 | JeffM2501 | it's about 60% done |
| 20:11.18 | JeffM2501 | but I'm no webhead so it'd be nice if others worked on it |
| 20:11.47 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20861 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/objects/bz2object.cpp: apply patch from runic for recognizing the 'position' keyword in .bzw files, mapping it to a bzwb 'shift' transformation. this is sf patch 2952546 (fix to correctly open test.bzw). |
| 20:12.11 | JeffM2501 | it's set up to keep 2 kinds of stats, stuff for what is happening on the server "now" and history tracking for registered players. |
| 20:12.30 | JeffM2501 | so your fake dexter woudl just show up on that server, but would not affect your long term data |
| 20:12.47 | dexter- | right |
| 20:12.49 | JeffM2501 | makes registering have a benifit, long term data tracking |
| 20:12.53 | brlcad | Runic: so that should be all of them applied |
| 20:13.03 | dexter- | and what is stopping us from doing that? |
| 20:13.05 | brlcad | Runic: are you still working on bzwb? |
| 20:13.10 | dexter- | i mean how hard is it to write that sort of API |
| 20:13.26 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, same thing that is preventing anything from getting done, nobody has done it |
| 20:13.36 | dexter- | aha |
| 20:13.44 | JeffM2501 | as I said, it's started |
| 20:13.49 | dexter- | by whom? |
| 20:13.49 | JeffM2501 | it's sitting trunk |
| 20:13.51 | JeffM2501 | me |
| 20:14.06 | JeffM2501 | heck the 2.0.x plugin is even in branch |
| 20:14.28 | Runic | cool, that key binding is not just a mac only key, I thought about adding it as a second key binding to the menu but I think fltk only supports having a single key binding on the menu |
| 20:15.02 | JeffM2501 | it needs the rest of the database designed, and the backend code finished off |
| 20:15.08 | JeffM2501 | then the API part needs to be designed |
| 20:15.15 | JeffM2501 | like how to secure it and stuff |
| 20:15.22 | dexter- | JeffM2501: why isn't it possible to just easily query the bzids from a server? |
| 20:15.29 | Runic | I have one more but it is related to me building as a bundled app, so I don't think I will submit it for now |
| 20:15.34 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, because the protocoll dosn't do it |
| 20:15.39 | dexter- | that is so much easier than designing a specific api for global push stats |
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| 20:15.58 | JeffM2501 | having stats sites spider the server list is wastefull, and looses data |
| 20:16.16 | JeffM2501 | the bigger problem is that just poping in and out of servers don't give you the complete picture of what is happening |
| 20:16.21 | Runic | I have a list of bugs, and may look into them as time allows |
| 20:16.24 | JeffM2501 | lets say you have 5 kills right? |
| 20:16.29 | brlcad | fyi, bzflag should now be updated in fink for mac users |
| 20:16.32 | JeffM2501 | stats goes and records taht for you. |
| 20:16.35 | *** join/#bzflag Upsetter (~Ups@89.246.197.140) |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM2501 | then you get another kill, but quit before stats gets around to you again |
| 20:16.56 | dexter- | you die twice and then kill twice again |
| 20:16.57 | JeffM2501 | when stats comes back, it never got your 6th kill |
| 20:17.07 | dexter- | yes |
| 20:17.13 | dexter- | at the moment that's only possible with a bot |
| 20:17.14 | Chestal | the score stats are mostly useless anyway |
| 20:17.25 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, no there are other ways to do it |
| 20:17.43 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, sure it's a video game, but people seem to like to track them :) |
| 20:17.50 | Chestal | strayer's main benefit is that you can see if people are around and where, especially for league teams etc. |
| 20:17.57 | JeffM2501 | yes I agree |
| 20:18.05 | joevano | JeffM2501: wouldn't pushing stats to a stats site correct that ;-) |
| 20:18.08 | JeffM2501 | and I'd like to be able to provide that with out him having to walk the server |
| 20:18.08 | dexter- | he doesn't have anything on kills/deaths |
| 20:18.12 | JeffM2501 | joevano, yes |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | there are many uses for the stats system |
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| 20:18.35 | JeffM2501 | the same thing can happen with player join/part |
| 20:18.45 | JeffM2501 | your friend may be on the game but not on the server that he's scannig now |
| 20:18.52 | joevano | seems like the thing to do |
| 20:18.52 | JeffM2501 | so you may miss him if he's bouncing around |
| 20:18.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
| 20:18.59 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be finished |
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| 20:20.01 | JeffM2501 | the API would be pretty simple, "gimme the list of servers since XXX DATETIME", "Gimme the info of XXX server", Gimme the info of XXX user" |
| 20:20.38 | strayer | JeffM2501: How can I base my stats on a non-redundant system? It's as I told you before: As long as it (the push stats thingy) will be a/the single point of failure, I'll neither help to improve it nor base my stats on it... |
| 20:21.10 | JeffM2501 | strayer, since it'll be a seperate system, we can spread it out |
| 20:21.15 | JeffM2501 | it is NOT tied to the list server |
| 20:21.25 | JeffM2501 | I mean you are based on a single point of failure now, the list |
| 20:21.25 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (~jolie@unaffiliated/kierra) |
| 20:21.56 | strayer | so...you can specify (via config file or however) >= 1 stats server to send data to in case the default stats server isn't reachable? > didn't see that in the client code...sorry |
| 20:22.09 | JeffM2501 | that is one thing that we should do in the system, have it push stats to ALL Ips on the stat domain |
| 20:22.20 | JeffM2501 | strayer, I said it wasn't done ;) |
| 20:22.30 | JeffM2501 | but yeah it should be made to be able to push to multiples |
| 20:22.34 | JeffM2501 | no reason not to do that |
| 20:22.42 | strayer | no, I'm not using the list server only now...I had to implement some fallback since the list server hat outages a while ago |
| 20:22.50 | strayer | kk :o) |
| 20:22.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah but your fallback could miss stuff |
| 20:23.01 | strayer | of course |
| 20:23.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah I have no problem making it redundant |
| 20:23.17 | strayer | but better I miss something than getting nothing |
| 20:23.48 | JeffM2501 | I dunno, I'd rather have indication that it's not there, then not being told it's wrong ;) |
| 20:24.24 | JeffM2501 | my problem is it sucks when somethign says "hey this is your data" but you arn't told that the site had to use some kind of fallback or guess and it may be wrong |
| 20:24.33 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather be told "I can't tell you for sure now" |
| 20:24.35 | strayer | ok then...when the base for a redundant system will be there, it's fine for me and I'll stop penetrating the servers |
| 20:25.01 | JeffM2501 | oh you won't be able to stop till everyone upgrades to v3, or installs the pushstats plugin |
| 20:25.05 | strayer | not "wrong"...just "incomplete" :) |
| 20:25.09 | JeffM2501 | and that won't happen till it's done |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM2501 | well for scores it may be rong |
| 20:25.17 | JeffM2501 | wrong |
| 20:25.21 | JeffM2501 | not just incomplete |
| 20:25.36 | strayer | I don't have to query 3.0 servers at least...that's more than nothing |
| 20:25.46 | JeffM2501 | ooooo.. you can skip 3 servers ;) |
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| 20:26.00 | JeffM2501 | I understand why you are doing what you are doing |
| 20:26.00 | strayer | hehe |
| 20:26.04 | JeffM2501 | and yes it is very usefull |
| 20:26.09 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean I have to like it ;) |
| 20:26.25 | strayer | indeed :o) |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM2501 | and if I felt it was truly a problem I could stop it, but that would benifit nobody |
| 20:27.15 | Anthony | Im guessing 2.99.X is now using the February Directx SDK? |
| 20:27.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm just not really a great db/web programer so it takes me a while to do things |
| 20:27.26 | strayer | did you measure how much more traffic will be produced by sending all theses real-time stats from bzfs to the stats server? |
| 20:27.41 | JeffM2501 | Anthony, both 2.99.x and 2.0.14+ are using the current sdk |
| 20:27.59 | JeffM2501 | strayer, no cus it's like not done yet |
| 20:27.59 | dexter- | JeffM2501: the old default font for the top line while playing is VeraMonoBold, correct? |
| 20:28.11 | JeffM2501 | dexter-, dunno,install .10 and look |
| 20:28.17 | Anthony | Well this sucks I must of broke something when cleaning the regstry :/ |
| 20:28.43 | JeffM2501 | strayer, I'm hoping it can be pushed off to a thread, compressed and fired off |
| 20:28.48 | dexter- | OK, bye |
| 20:28.49 | *** part/#bzflag dexter- (~Adium@bzflag/player/Dexter) |
| 20:28.50 | JeffM2501 | so it's kinda background task |
| 20:28.54 | strayer | oh..Jeff, I'll help you with my db "knowledge"..since you are a programmer, you could implement the redundancy code for the clients first...the rest I can help you with |
| 20:29.19 | JeffM2501 | redundancy is trivial, I'd rather get it working with a single system first |
| 20:29.25 | JeffM2501 | so I know what I neeed to be sending ;) |
| 20:29.37 | JeffM2501 | redundancy is really just putting the main call into a loop |
| 20:29.51 | strayer | well...and I see it from the other side...as usually |
| 20:30.13 | JeffM2501 | techincaly it's not even at proof of concept yet |
| 20:30.17 | JeffM2501 | as it does not send anything |
| 20:30.23 | JeffM2501 | well it sends, but nothing gets it |
| 20:30.26 | JeffM2501 | all the bits arn' there |
| 20:30.41 | strayer | hm |
| 20:30.44 | Anthony | Can you confirm that my paths is screwed up? http://pastebin.com/f61a10ed7 |
| 20:30.50 | JeffM2501 | we get that working, make sure that what we are sending is cool then the stuff of making it fire off to multiple urls is easy |
| 20:31.09 | JeffM2501 | Anthony, thats old code if it's looking for dinput.h |
| 20:31.16 | JeffM2501 | it should be looking for dinput8.h |
| 20:31.21 | Anthony | So I want the shot branch? |
| 20:31.26 | JeffM2501 | oh god |
| 20:31.29 | JeffM2501 | shotbracnk |
| 20:31.31 | JeffM2501 | wow that's old |
| 20:31.44 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't work |
| 20:31.50 | JeffM2501 | that's going to use a much older sdk |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM2501 | dx7 |
| 20:32.03 | strayer | JeffM2501: what do you mean is sending...the bzfs to the stats server but the stats server isn't grabbing the data? |
| 20:32.07 | Anthony | This is where I got the code https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_99_net_branch |
| 20:32.15 | JeffM2501 | strayer, the stats server dosn't exist :) |
| 20:32.22 | JeffM2501 | Anthony, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:32.30 | Anthony | Compile 2.99 |
| 20:32.34 | JeffM2501 | then you want trunk |
| 20:32.36 | JeffM2501 | not a branch |
| 20:32.39 | Anthony | It worked before :/ |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | trunk/bzflag |
| 20:32.44 | Anthony | oh crap duh |
| 20:32.54 | Anthony | facepalms |
| 20:32.55 | JeffM2501 | those are all test branches that died |
| 20:33.17 | strayer | JeffM2501: do you plan the code the data grabber (stats server) in C/++ or any other language? |
| 20:33.19 | JeffM2501 | strayer, all I've ever done is set up a test server here and used it |
| 20:33.24 | JeffM2501 | it's php |
| 20:33.37 | JeffM2501 | it's all HTTP |
| 20:33.47 | strayer | k...then |
| 20:33.55 | JeffM2501 | I mean hey, keep it simple right :) |
| 20:33.57 | Anthony | so just to make sure I want /trunk/bzflag |
| 20:34.10 | JeffM2501 | Anthony, the wiki has a page on SVN it has all the info you need |
| 20:34.15 | JeffM2501 | but yes, that is trunk |
| 20:34.24 | Anthony | Thank you :) |
| 20:34.33 | strayer | if you would send me the "protocol" description (not of HTTP...the data format) I could have a look into an implementation after my exams |
| 20:34.50 | JeffM2501 | no such description has been writen |
| 20:35.15 | JeffM2501 | tho aperaanly I wrote a bunch of php for it |
| 20:35.44 | strayer | would be useful to have one if anything should be able to handle the data :D |
| 20:35.57 | JeffM2501 | it's all in svn |
| 20:36.05 | strayer | does this php code cover all possible incoming data? |
| 20:36.10 | JeffM2501 | trunk/web/bzstats/ |
| 20:36.16 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 20:36.21 | JeffM2501 | I wrote it last year :) |
| 20:36.58 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the server only sends up one kind of message |
| 20:37.04 | JeffM2501 | "ADD THIS CRAP" |
| 20:37.08 | Tonywolfe | Seems someone owned the nick Anthony :/ |
| 20:37.15 | JeffM2501 | well sure |
| 20:37.23 | JeffM2501 | freenode is pretty big |
| 20:37.51 | strayer | hm...ok, I'll have a look at it this weekend and give you some feedback in case of furhter questions or suggestions or ... whatever |
| 20:37.54 | Tonywolfe | And it is a common name. |
| 20:37.58 | JeffM2501 | strayer, I pondered sending the data up as XML at one point but it was a bit wordy |
| 20:38.17 | JeffM2501 | and that was mostly so I could do the stats system in C# |
| 20:38.26 | JeffM2501 | but then I just maned up and read a php book |
| 20:38.50 | strayer | hm...well...XML is fine but all these masses of traffic...hmhmhm |
| 20:38.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:39.03 | JeffM2501 | it seemed to just be extra data |
| 20:39.22 | JeffM2501 | the nice thing about push is the server owner can pick how often to push |
| 20:39.29 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have to push with every score |
| 20:39.41 | JeffM2501 | right now it's pusing with every join or part |
| 20:39.43 | strayer | I mean...everything is unsing XML over HTTP these days but that doesn't mean it's perfect...consider JSON (still HTTP but more reduced) |
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| 20:40.17 | JeffM2501 | the nice thing is, servers with low activity send less traffic the pollers do now |
| 20:40.30 | strayer | but a few information should be send immediately...like 'server is up' or player joined/quit' |
| 20:40.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah those are the events it uses now |
| 20:40.50 | JeffM2501 | bassicly it sends at the same time it sends list server updates |
| 20:40.52 | strayer | oh..ok then... |
| 20:40.59 | JeffM2501 | that's the minium |
| 20:41.14 | JeffM2501 | to have more real time scores, it can send more often if we want to |
| 20:41.29 | JeffM2501 | so overall the traffic should be less the a polling system |
| 20:41.41 | JeffM2501 | since it only sends from game to stats when something needs to change |
| 20:41.43 | strayer | I already did some text docs where I figured out some different kinds of "stats sending levels" for a stats plugin I had in mind...might be reused in the client |
| 20:41.45 | JeffM2501 | not every 5 min |
| 20:41.57 | strayer | yupp |
| 20:42.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm sure there is a list of events we should look at |
| 20:42.34 | JeffM2501 | looks like from the php, it's not saving individual player data yet |
| 20:42.49 | JeffM2501 | just server info and teamscores |
| 20:43.06 | JeffM2501 | and doing the heartbeat |
| 20:43.59 | JeffM2501 | and I did do a bassic API thing, and a page to test it |
| 20:44.07 | strayer | hm...when I do some work on that...can you redirect these kind of information to a location/server I have access on? |
| 20:44.18 | JeffM2501 | svm |
| 20:44.20 | JeffM2501 | svn |
| 20:44.21 | strayer | ..a data forwarding I mean |
| 20:44.41 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:44.44 | strayer | I'll check it |
| 20:45.00 | JeffM2501 | I test by running a local server and connecting to it from my laptop |
| 20:45.11 | JeffM2501 | THAT is the level of developmet it's at |
| 20:45.28 | strayer | uh...reminds me how I wrote my first server query script...was a pain... |
| 20:45.33 | JeffM2501 | it's not even feature complete |
| 20:46.12 | JeffM2501 | there server does send out a bunch of stuff, but since the collector hasn't been finished I don't know if the server is sending out the right stuff |
| 20:46.44 | JeffM2501 | looks like I made a test page to push data like it was a server too |
| 20:47.26 | strayer | hm :) |
| 20:47.54 | strayer | well, I'm excited what I'll find... |
| 20:48.10 | JeffM2501 | it's been sitting there for months |
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| 20:49.28 | strayer | good things take their while...not that everything which is old is or will be good, but there's a chance |
| 20:50.39 | Tonywolfe | woohoo dinput.h and dsound.h missing errors :/ |
| 20:51.01 | Tonywolfe | and another wierd one |
| 20:51.07 | Tonywolfe | Error spawning 'cmd.exe'.Projectlibcurl |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah you got issues |
| 20:52.11 | Tonywolfe | *sigh* Things never go easy for me... Guess it's time to google again... |
| 20:52.21 | JeffM2501 | what did you change on your system? |
| 20:52.47 | Tonywolfe | Well I cleaned registry errors with cccleaner |
| 20:52.50 | Tonywolfe | thats it really |
| 20:53.17 | JeffM2501 | what was wrong with the system that made you do that? |
| 20:54.09 | Tonywolfe | Things where going sluggy so I just cleaned things up. |
| 20:54.25 | Tonywolfe | guess I should try restoring the backup |
| 20:54.30 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it broke you up |
| 20:54.53 | Tonywolfe | I just don't really like adding 200 some errors back to the regstry |
| 20:55.11 | JeffM2501 | install vc again |
| 20:55.20 | JeffM2501 | it'll put back the things that it needs |
| 20:55.20 | TheRedBaron | read the registry backup file. |
| 20:56.16 | TheRedBaron | you can read/edit it with notepad. |
| 20:56.46 | Tonywolfe | Oh right |
| 20:56.58 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20862 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/DXJoystick.h: comment still said dx7 |
| 20:57.24 | strayer | JeffM2501, it's /bzflag/trunk/web/bzfstats/ isn't it? |
| 20:57.36 | JeffM2501 | that's the wesite part yah |
| 20:58.02 | strayer | and the communication endpoint for the bzfs? |
| 20:58.12 | strayer | I can't find /bzflag/trunk/web/bzstats/ ...that's why |
| 20:59.09 | JeffM2501 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/web/bzfstats/ |
| 20:59.37 | strayer | so... bzfstats is correct and bzstats was just a typo..ok, thanks |
| 21:00.12 | JeffM2501 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Stats.cxx?view=log |
| 21:00.16 | JeffM2501 | thats the server side |
| 21:02.12 | strayer | Stats.cxx is a good kind of documentation alternative...at least easy to read :=) |
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| 21:10.14 | fluffymcduff | im back |
| 21:10.47 | fluffymcduff | good news: SDL is now working. |
| 21:10.52 | fluffymcduff | bad news: http://pastebin.com/m4ee90efc |
| 21:12.03 | fluffymcduff | so now what? |
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| 21:14.50 | JeffM2501 | fix it |
| 21:14.56 | fluffymcduff | how? |
| 21:15.04 | JeffM2501 | learn C? |
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| 21:15.10 | fluffymcduff | :P |
| 21:15.24 | fluffymcduff | make them not protected? |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2501 | it's probably a conflict with soething on the mac system |
| 21:16.04 | fluffymcduff | then ill try my best. |
| 21:18.14 | fluffymcduff | apparently it makes a call to something protected. |
| 21:18.24 | JeffM2501 | yep it's a bug |
| 21:18.31 | JeffM2501 | dosn't even build on windows |
| 21:18.39 | fluffymcduff | aha! |
| 21:18.52 | fluffymcduff | so it ISNT osx's fault! |
| 21:18.56 | Tonywolfe | well crap I reimported the backup but the errors are still there. I guess my only option is to reinstall Visual studio :/ |
| 21:18.56 | JeffM2501 | no] |
| 21:19.09 | JeffM2501 | dude it's devcode, noone said it would build for you in the first place :) |
| 21:19.31 | fluffymcduff | so do i wait for the devs to fix it, then get the svn? |
| 21:19.55 | JeffM2501 | unless you want to work on fixing it yourself |
| 21:20.06 | JeffM2501 | what did you want to do with 2.99? |
| 21:20.15 | fluffymcduff | i want to test the mumble support |
| 21:20.38 | JeffM2501 | with who? ;) |
| 21:20.49 | fluffymcduff | exactly why i need the most recent build. |
| 21:21.17 | JeffM2501 | well looks like treapan busted it with the new text menu |
| 21:21.33 | Tonywolfe | lol fluffy im trying to build 2.99 too :P |
| 21:21.38 | fluffymcduff | grr |
| 21:22.24 | JeffM2501 | Tonywolfe, it won't buil,d |
| 21:22.30 | Tonywolfe | My errors are dsound.h dinput.h and dsound.lib |
| 21:22.37 | JeffM2501 | you are missing the sdk |
| 21:22.50 | Tonywolfe | I know it's installed :/ |
| 21:22.51 | fluffymcduff | mine are in the FontManager.h |
| 21:22.52 | JeffM2501 | but even after you fix that it won't build |
| 21:22.58 | JeffM2501 | fluffymcduff, I know |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM2501 | Tonywolfe, VC can't find them |
| 21:23.11 | JeffM2501 | tell it where they are |
| 21:23.14 | fluffymcduff | JeffM2501: i was talking to tony |
| 21:23.25 | Tonywolfe | I had to tell it where cmd.exe was :P |
| 21:23.31 | JeffM2501 | tht's bad |
| 21:24.00 | fluffymcduff | what bugs are stopping '99 from release? |
| 21:24.12 | Tonywolfe | likes c# better ;-; |
| 21:24.12 | JeffM2501 | the ones in the bugs file |
| 21:24.17 | JeffM2501 | and on the release checklist |
| 21:24.17 | fluffymcduff | oh |
| 21:24.21 | JeffM2501 | and lots of playtesting |
| 21:27.11 | fluffymcduff | so where can i report this bug |
| 21:27.21 | JeffM2501 | you don't need to |
| 21:27.29 | fluffymcduff | oh? |
| 21:27.49 | JeffM2501 | one of the devs will find it when they try to build on the mac |
| 21:28.20 | Tonywolfe | Well I told it where the sdk was it seems happy so far |
| 21:28.50 | fluffymcduff | JeffM2501: or i can report it |
| 21:29.10 | JeffM2501 | fluffymcduff, sure you if you want, it won't matter |
| 21:29.17 | fluffymcduff | i will anyways |
| 21:29.18 | Runic | are you building trunk flifflymcduff |
| 21:29.30 | fluffymcduff | chuckles at his own stubborness |
| 21:29.42 | fluffymcduff | Runic: yes |
| 21:30.05 | Runic | ok I have it building for me see what i get |
| 21:30.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm fixing it now |
| 21:30.20 | JeffM2501 | gcc is sto friggin stupid |
| 21:30.20 | Runic | cool |
| 21:30.46 | fluffymcduff | Runic: you on mac? |
| 21:30.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not a mac problem |
| 21:30.58 | Runic | yes |
| 21:32.06 | fluffymcduff | just a sec |
| 21:32.38 | Tonywolfe | lol jeff I see what you mean |
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| 21:32.57 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20863 10/trunk/bzflag/include/FontManager.h: conform to C++ standards |
| 21:33.11 | Tonywolfe | The error is with FontOptionsMenu |
| 21:33.15 | fluffymcduff | back |
| 21:33.20 | JeffM2501 | that should fix it |
| 21:33.27 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20864 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/bzflag.vcproj: add new menu file |
| 21:33.36 | fluffymcduff | wait, what should? |
| 21:33.42 | JeffM2501 | the commit you missed |
| 21:33.49 | fluffymcduff | so do i svn now? |
| 21:33.55 | JeffM2501 | svn up |
| 21:33.59 | JeffM2501 | in the root of bzflag |
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| 21:34.27 | fluffymcduff | not the trunk |
| 21:34.43 | JeffM2501 | you can do it in the trunk folder if you want, dosn't matter |
| 21:34.55 | JeffM2501 | svn up will do all folders down from where you do it |
| 21:35.01 | fluffymcduff | downloading now... |
| 21:35.08 | Runic | restarted my build |
| 21:35.27 | fluffymcduff | can you do -j3 on autogen.sh? |
| 21:35.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:35.38 | Tonywolfe | starts his build |
| 21:35.38 | fluffymcduff | oh |
| 21:35.40 | JeffM2501 | the j is for compile |
| 21:35.45 | JeffM2501 | not script generation |
| 21:35.52 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to autogen |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | just do a make |
| 21:36.05 | Runic | it's for multi cores |
| 21:36.06 | JeffM2501 | autogen rebuilds the config files |
| 21:36.24 | fluffymcduff | is autogening |
| 21:36.31 | JeffM2501 | generaly you only need to autogen and config once |
| 21:36.48 | fluffymcduff | i just redownloaded from svn |
| 21:36.51 | JeffM2501 | you only need to config again, if the config system changes or if files are added |
| 21:36.53 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 21:37.01 | Runic | the xcode project uses it - make -j${ncpu:-1} |
| 21:37.07 | fluffymcduff | because you said the commit you made should fix |
| 21:37.17 | JeffM2501 | the command "svn up" would have just updated the changed files |
| 21:37.21 | JeffM2501 | that is what SVN DOES |
| 21:37.28 | fluffymcduff | damn... |
| 21:37.32 | JeffM2501 | it's a version control system |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | let it control your versions ;) |
| 21:37.38 | fluffymcduff | my bad... |
| 21:37.55 | fluffymcduff | i just trashed my old folder and redownloaded the whold trunk |
| 21:37.57 | Tonywolfe | aww the update just added another linker error for me |
| 21:38.05 | fluffymcduff | D: |
| 21:38.11 | JeffM2501 | did you actualy report the bug to SF? |
| 21:38.17 | fluffymcduff | no |
| 21:38.19 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 21:38.27 | fluffymcduff | i was too lazy to login |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM2501 | Tonywolfe, did you get both updated files? |
| 21:39.08 | JeffM2501 | you need both, fluffymcduff only needs one |
| 21:39.11 | fluffymcduff | is configing |
| 21:39.15 | Tonywolfe | I did a svn update |
| 21:39.25 | Tonywolfe | It updated 3 files I think |
| 21:39.27 | JeffM2501 | in what folder? |
| 21:40.20 | Tonywolfe | sorry 2 it updated the vproj and the fontmanager.h |
| 21:40.25 | fluffymcduff | is make -j3 ing |
| 21:40.27 | JeffM2501 | was VC open at the time? |
| 21:40.32 | Tonywolfe | nope |
| 21:40.37 | JeffM2501 | fluffymcduff, we don't need the play by play ;) |
| 21:40.43 | JeffM2501 | what is the linker error? |
| 21:41.32 | Tonywolfe | http://pastebin.com/d51a0cdb1 |
| 21:41.47 | Tonywolfe | Don't want to clutter up the irc channel :) |
| 21:41.58 | fluffymcduff | pastebin ftw :D |
| 21:42.07 | JeffM2501 | rebuild the 3d project |
| 21:42.29 | Tonywolfe | ahh woops |
| 21:42.47 | JeffM2501 | functions that arn't public and have no friends are not exported |
| 21:43.32 | Tonywolfe | whee bufferoverrun warnings |
| 21:43.37 | JeffM2501 | yep |
| 21:43.46 | JeffM2501 | ares and lua usualy |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM2501 | stuff we didn't write |
| 21:44.05 | JeffM2501 | probably ftgl and ft2 as well |
| 21:45.32 | Tonywolfe | hehe better go get my ps3 controller. Just more fun playing with it :P |
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| 21:53.28 | bryjen | 2.99 configure complains about a lack of SDL 1.3, but it goes ahead and builds with 1.2 |
| 21:53.32 | bryjen | for me at least |
| 21:55.33 | Runic | my build of truck succeeded - did a clean build of it all too, using the xcode projectt |
| 21:58.52 | JeffM2501 | xcode just calls the makefile |
| 22:00.01 | Runic | I know, just thought you or flufflymcduff would like to know it is building ok on a mac |
| 22:00.56 | Tonywolfe | Haha cool everything is working great over here |
| 22:01.05 | fluffymcduff | win. |
| 22:01.13 | Tonywolfe | Even the lol you died message is gone when you shoot |
| 22:01.14 | fluffymcduff | does a little dance of joy |
| 22:01.31 | fluffymcduff | does it always feel this good when you compile something? |
| 22:01.50 | Tonywolfe | Success always feels great |
| 22:02.01 | fluffymcduff | that may be it. |
| 22:02.16 | fluffymcduff | now if youll excuse me, im gonna see what it's like. |
| 22:02.17 | Runic | not until after a the throusand or so |
| 22:02.23 | Tonywolfe | But the shots look different... |
| 22:02.30 | JeffM2501 | yep |
| 22:02.45 | TheRedBaron | ls -lh |
| 22:02.52 | Tonywolfe | I kinda liked the older look. Is that a flame behind them? |
| 22:03.11 | JeffM2501 | you can turn em off, go to "high" quality |
| 22:03.13 | JeffM2501 | not experiemental |
| 22:03.15 | TheRedBaron | err, this is not the terminal i cam looking for. oops |
| 22:03.42 | Tonywolfe | so are bots working? |
| 22:03.44 | fluffymcduff | no fonts found WAT |
| 22:03.53 | Runic | oh , yea wanted to say great title for 2.0.14 |
| 22:04.05 | JeffM2501 | fluffymcduff, you can't just double cick it, it has to go into a .app |
| 22:04.12 | JeffM2501 | or you have to tell it where the data dir is |
| 22:04.12 | fluffymcduff | oh. |
| 22:04.27 | JeffM2501 | Tonywolfe, client side ones work the same as they do in 2.0.x |
| 22:04.46 | JeffM2501 | Runic, that was based off work winny did |
| 22:05.41 | Runic | fluffymcduff if you build it the unix/linux way you have to use it the unix/linux way |
| 22:05.53 | JeffM2501 | or throw it into a .app |
| 22:06.00 | JeffM2501 | that has the right stuff |
| 22:06.16 | JeffM2501 | and the linux/unix "way" is not to specify the data dir ;) |
| 22:06.35 | JeffM2501 | it's because it knows it's on a mac so it's looking for the .app structure |
| 22:07.38 | Tonywolfe | I remember awhile back the -solo would cause a crash |
| 22:07.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah that was a message packing problem |
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| 22:09.37 | Tonywolfe | Hey fluffymcduff you up for a match? |
| 22:10.53 | Tonywolfe | Im not much of a opponent but it's better then playing by ourselves. |
| 22:24.42 | Tonywolfe | It seems my keymapping resets every time I restart |
| 22:33.10 | Runic | sounds like it is not set to save your settings |
| 22:40.46 | Tonywolfe | Perhaps it's not but save my settings is shown when quitting |
| 22:57.34 | Tonywolfe | Updated my thread with the newest rev :) |
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