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| 04:36.02 | JeffM2501 | builds his list of weapons, shots, and accessories |
| 04:36.11 | temporalD | BFG |
| 04:36.24 | JeffM2501 | I call that the "fuel air bomb" |
| 04:37.22 | JeffM2501 | hmmmm. Damage over time effects.... |
| 04:38.04 | JeffM2501 | laser plasma and fab should all be dot |
| 04:40.54 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I went with 'mvcish' ;) |
| 04:41.03 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:41.20 | JeffM2501 | google code easy enough to set up? |
| 04:41.35 | blast007 | not 100% sure if I'll use google code yet |
| 04:41.42 | blast007 | I have it set up at GC and on SF |
| 04:41.42 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 04:42.59 | blast007 | might be a useful framework for some of the bzflag services, since it has modular auth |
| 04:43.19 | blast007 | already have a driver for LDAP and phpBB3 (though the latter needs to be updated a bit before it works) |
| 04:44.39 | blast007 | currently won't work in .bz though, since it lacks the MySQL driver for PDO |
| 04:44.43 | blast007 | on* |
| 04:44.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking of going with drupal for the social site |
| 04:44.56 | blast007 | k |
| 04:45.08 | JeffM2501 | they have a module that will let it auth against phpbb |
| 04:45.15 | JeffM2501 | and a bunch of social networking stuff |
| 04:45.27 | blast007 | is dreaming of a day when my.bzflag.org is dead and gone |
| 04:45.32 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:46.03 | JeffM2501 | if push stats ever gets done it could just push the data into social pages for the players/servers |
| 04:46.09 | JeffM2501 | then we don't even need stats :) |
| 04:46.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:48.29 | JeffM2501 | yay, bible updatd with weapons, http://www.opencombat.net/?page_id=29 if anyone wants to read em |
| 04:52.44 | blast007 | you should totally turn on the fancy URLs instead of the old skool ?blah=thing stuff ;) |
| 04:53.05 | JeffM2501 | I have no clue how to do that |
| 04:54.55 | blast007 | admin > settings > permalinks |
| 04:55.10 | blast007 | can't recall if it updates the .htaccess automatically |
| 04:56.05 | blast007 | looks like it doesn't probably need to |
| 04:56.37 | JeffM2501 | "You should update your .htaccess now." |
| 04:56.42 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:56.51 | blast007 | does it say in what way..? |
| 04:56.58 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 04:57.18 | blast007 | blah, 1 sec |
| 04:57.19 | JeffM2501 | ahh it does at the bottom |
| 04:57.23 | blast007 | oh |
| 04:57.28 | JeffM2501 | guess I can make it writeable |
| 04:57.30 | JeffM2501 | to the group |
| 05:01.20 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a friggin .httacess file :( |
| 05:02.05 | blast007 | 1 sec |
| 05:02.56 | blast007 | here's mine: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QzmzdesS |
| 05:03.07 | JeffM2501 | where is it? |
| 05:03.12 | JeffM2501 | root of the dir? |
| 05:03.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:04.38 | blast007 | yay |
| 05:04.41 | JeffM2501 | this better? http://www.opencombat.net/development/development-bible |
| 05:04.43 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 05:04.44 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 05:05.04 | blast007 | for mine, I use 'Month and name' |
| 05:05.16 | JeffM2501 | the bible is a page, not a post |
| 05:05.35 | blast007 | no, I mean the setting in the admin panel |
| 05:06.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah I didn't know if the month mattered that much since it's not a personal blog |
| 05:06.07 | blast007 | then I get stuff like 2010/03/bzflag-mobile-site/ instead of archives/123 |
| 05:06.42 | blast007 | the 'pages' still show up the same either way |
| 05:11.22 | JeffM2501 | hmm probalby should spec out the radar next |
| 05:14.45 | blast007 | under section 1.3, "Unregistered servers will have in game" should that instead be "Servers for unverified users will have in-game" ? |
| 05:15.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:16.09 | JeffM2501 | proofreading.. it's the wave of the future kids! |
| 05:16.38 | blast007 | "The main goal of the tired system" tierd* |
| 05:16.44 | blast007 | er |
| 05:16.50 | blast007 | tiered |
| 05:18.48 | JeffM2501 | there's a word doc for it if you want to proof it |
| 05:18.51 | JeffM2501 | in svn |
| 05:19.32 | blast007 | k |
| 05:19.45 | JeffM2501 | http://code.google.com/p/opencombat/source/browse/trunk/P2501/Specs/Bible.doc |
| 05:20.05 | JeffM2501 | the raw file link should download it |
| 05:21.23 | blast007 | had to right click > save - might need some SVN prop set |
| 05:22.00 | JeffM2501 | wonder what the property for "word doc" is |
| 05:22.12 | blast007 | how would you prefer I edit it? do track changes within word? or as an SVN diff? |
| 05:22.14 | JeffM2501 | bets BulletCatcher knows |
| 05:22.26 | BulletCatcher | was waiting to be summoned |
| 05:22.28 | JeffM2501 | what's your gmail, I'll give you friggin commit |
| 05:23.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:23.11 | blast007 | <-- at gmail ;) |
| 05:23.26 | JeffM2501 | done deal |
| 05:23.28 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: you probaby have 'svn prop' on highlight ;) |
| 05:23.43 | BulletCatcher | My /etc/mime.types file says .doc is application/msword . |
| 05:25.10 | JeffM2501 | servey says...... |
| 05:25.15 | JeffM2501 | you are corect! |
| 05:25.31 | JeffM2501 | now kiss richard dawson |
| 05:25.40 | BulletCatcher | I'll take MIME types for $1000, Alex. |
| 05:25.56 | JeffM2501 | that'd be hillarous, dork jepardy |
| 05:27.12 | JeffM2501 | seems to dowloand on a click now, thank you :) |
| 05:27.22 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 05:27.50 | JeffM2501 | ok.. so maybe eating a pound of mushrooms for dinner was a bad idea... |
| 05:32.41 | blast007 | and just making sure again, but "Severs for unregistered users" - should that be "unverified"? |
| 05:33.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:33.44 | JeffM2501 | because there is no such thing as "unregistered" |
| 05:33.55 | JeffM2501 | too many un words |
| 05:34.00 | blast007 | k, that's what I thought |
| 05:34.13 | JeffM2501 | you register in the client, but can only play on the special servers untill you verify your email |
| 05:34.20 | JeffM2501 | then the world opens up to you |
| 05:34.59 | JeffM2501 | imagines those unverified servers will be a very special kind of hell |
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| 05:46.04 | codefest_10 | We invite you to be a part of the Largest Online Coding festival in the Indian Subcontinent.[ http://itbhu.ac.in/codefest ] |
| 05:46.19 | codefest_10 | Sit right in front of your systems and take part in challenging and mind boggling competitions on application development, algorithm design etc. |
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| 05:46.46 | JeffM2501 | that's gotta be a fun link |
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| 05:47.10 | codefest_10 | We invite you to be a part of the Largest Online Coding festival in the Indian Subcontinent.[ http://itbhu.ac.in/codefest ] |
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| 05:47.16 | temporalD | tenacious |
| 05:47.23 | JeffM2501 | bots tend to be |
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| 05:49.24 | JeffM2501 | looks to be a legit thing tho |
| 05:50.58 | blast007 | probably not a bot, as I wouldn't imagine a bot would use the webchat interface ;) |
| 05:51.17 | JeffM2501 | it's a university |
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| 16:41.18 | randomparticle | http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1fsGaBTDzS0879vuSRiymHsYPvgh |
| 16:45.02 | blast007 | nice :) |
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| 16:47.33 | randomparticle | i also tweaked the sky color code a little to give the sky a deeper mediterranean blue |
| 16:48.00 | randomparticle | one can hope for summer in britain some years :) |
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| 17:11.34 | JefferyM | trepan, know of any good libs that bind lua to C# ? I thought openTK did it but I was wrong |
| 17:14.45 | blast007 | geez, it took two and a half minutes to send 88KB to google's subversion :P |
| 17:15.15 | JefferyM | that dosn't seem right |
| 17:15.22 | JefferyM | was that the inital upload? |
| 17:15.37 | blast007 | it's just slow right now |
| 17:15.42 | JefferyM | hmm |
| 17:15.52 | blast007 | I had done an svn up earlier and it took several minutes to tell me nothing changed ;) |
| 17:16.40 | blast007 | the 88KB was me commiting some changes |
| 17:16.43 | JefferyM | perhpas the interwebs are less then happy |
| 17:16.54 | JefferyM | and I thought you were going to use the distributed one |
| 17:17.46 | blast007 | no, to your repo ;) |
| 17:17.52 | JefferyM | oh |
| 17:17.54 | JefferyM | hmm odd |
| 17:17.55 | blast007 | fixes to that doc |
| 17:18.00 | JefferyM | thanks |
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| 17:18.12 | JefferyM | how bad was it? |
| 17:18.35 | blast007 | I haven't gone through it all, but I've only made a few changes so far |
| 17:18.54 | JefferyM | you are going to add the cow launcher arn't you? ;) |
| 17:18.59 | blast007 | already did ;) |
| 17:19.08 | blast007 | (but, no) |
| 17:19.51 | JefferyM | hmmm may have to skip lua for now, I'm not sure if there is a platform independent way to get it hooked up to C# :( |
| 17:23.28 | blast007 | just rewrite it in C# ;) |
| 17:23.40 | JefferyM | heh |
| 17:23.53 | JefferyM | I'm suprised someone hasn' done that |
| 17:24.07 | JefferyM | tho sadly if I just expose .net classes I get vb "scripting" for free |
| 17:24.42 | JefferyM | or lolcode |
| 17:25.54 | blast007 | not sure if this is helpful or not: http://code.google.com/p/luaclr/ |
| 17:26.11 | JefferyM | oh odd |
| 17:26.18 | JefferyM | it builds it down to clr code |
| 17:26.44 | JefferyM | not totaly useful for scripting, but interesting none the less |
| 17:32.37 | blast007 | http://www.ppl-pilot.com/KopiLua/ |
| 17:32.53 | JefferyM | oooooooo |
| 17:34.03 | JefferyM | it is .1, but still interesting |
| 17:35.10 | blast007 | seems the .1 release was in november |
| 17:35.19 | blast007 | something to keep an eye on :) |
| 17:35.21 | JefferyM | yeah so its' not too old |
| 17:35.22 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:35.35 | JefferyM | I'll just skip the lua for right now and see what happens |
| 17:35.40 | Cobra_Slow | JefferyM: C# <-> LUA: http://luaforge.net/projects/luainterface <- maybe this will help you - idk |
| 17:35.51 | JefferyM | if I make clean inteface classes for .net it should be easy to add |
| 17:35.57 | JefferyM | Cobra_Fast, I was looking at that |
| 17:36.00 | JefferyM | but it uses C code |
| 17:36.07 | JefferyM | so it'd need a build per platform |
| 17:36.16 | JefferyM | and my goal is to minimise the OS specific builds |
| 17:36.27 | Cobra_Fast | kk |
| 17:36.34 | Cobra_Fast | was just suggesting... |
| 17:36.39 | JefferyM | makes it harder for a patch system to update eveyrone :) |
| 17:36.47 | JefferyM | yeah I know, thanks for looking :) |
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| 17:37.55 | BulletCatcher | randomparticle: Implementation of the moon texture was never completed in 2.0.x. |
| 17:37.57 | BulletCatcher | In trunk, the moon texture code was simply removed because it caused other problems. |
| 17:38.18 | JefferyM | because I coudhn't figure out the math to do a UVed crecent :) |
| 17:38.29 | Cobra_Fast | so, did you also see this: http://luanet.net/ @ JefferyM ? |
| 17:39.29 | Cobra_Fast | (i have no idea what it is though :P) |
| 17:39.38 | Cobra_Fast | (but its name looks good) |
| 17:39.38 | JefferyM | wow that's a prety crappy site |
| 17:39.55 | Cobra_Fast | ya the site is poo ^^ |
| 17:39.59 | blast007 | doesn't look like it's talking about a .NET implementation though |
| 17:40.22 | Cobra_Fast | hmm in this case the name's also poo |
| 17:41.14 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:41.14 | JefferyM | no, .com was just taken |
| 17:41.14 | JefferyM | I didn't get opencombat.net because I wanted it in C# at first ;) |
| 17:41.14 | blast007 | well, it still has 'luanet' in the name regardless of the TLD ;) |
| 17:41.14 | blast007 | lua net net! |
| 17:41.25 | JefferyM | heh |
| 17:41.28 | blast007 | maybe they like echos |
| 17:41.32 | Cobra_Fast | xD |
| 17:53.01 | JefferyM | who runs the castle warfar map? |
| 17:53.21 | JefferyM | warfare even |
| 17:56.10 | JefferyM | I guess it's bztank.net, do we know who runs that? |
| 17:57.09 | JefferyM | benfish maybe? |
| 17:57.39 | temporalD | yes |
| 17:57.45 | temporalD | he's been MIA for a while |
| 17:58.00 | JefferyM | I just need to tell a user who to conact :) |
| 17:58.32 | temporalD | he's got a forum at www.bztank.net - pretty sure he checks that occasionally |
| 17:59.16 | JefferyM | thanks |
| 18:00.20 | blast007 | JefferyM: oh, and there's been more than 7 changes in phpBB. It was 7 changes in their little updated version of 3.0.7 (3.0.7p1) |
| 18:00.34 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 18:00.43 | JefferyM | do we need it? |
| 18:01.00 | blast007 | I'll do it soon(ish) |
| 18:01.25 | JefferyM | k |
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| 18:21.33 | cygal_ | hello. |
| 18:21.42 | JefferyM | hello |
| 18:22.17 | JefferyM | how's it going? |
| 18:22.43 | cygal | fine :) |
| 18:23.09 | JefferyM | cool |
| 18:23.14 | cygal | and you? |
| 18:23.19 | JefferyM | I'll live |
| 18:23.37 | JefferyM | if I can get this iterator copy to friggin work |
| 18:25.56 | cygal | are you guys applying for the gsoc this year too? |
| 18:26.21 | JefferyM | nope |
| 18:26.57 | cygal | oh, why is that? |
| 18:27.03 | JefferyM | number of reasons |
| 18:27.09 | cygal | (I would not have applied anyway) |
| 18:27.11 | JefferyM | mostly to concentrate on getting 3.0 done |
| 18:30.05 | cygal | I can't find the 3.0 todo list on the wiki, is it gone? |
| 18:30.45 | JefferyM | there is a release checklist on the article for the version |
| 18:30.51 | JefferyM | as well as stuff in the todo in the code |
| 18:31.51 | JefferyM | sorry todo file in the source tree, not the actual code :) |
| 18:32.26 | JefferyM | big things are work out the movement bugs, add flag pass zones, and bug fixes. |
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| 19:46.29 | Cobra_Fast | hmm thats weird |
| 19:46.40 | Cobra_Fast | there was a annoying player on our clanserver |
| 19:47.08 | Cobra_Fast | named "Incubis" and when we kicked him, the server said "Joevano kicked by blahblah: foobar |
| 19:47.22 | Cobra_Fast | i dont get how this works |
| 20:03.08 | temporalD | Cobra_Fast, what version is the server running? |
| 20:03.21 | Cobra_Fast | 2.0.12 afaik |
| 20:03.31 | temporalD | there was a bug that would kick whitelisted players when the banfile is updated |
| 20:03.40 | temporalD | was fixed in .14 I believe |
| 20:03.57 | Cobra_Fast | im not using a whitelist and neither a banfile |
| 20:04.13 | temporalD | humm |
| 20:04.27 | Cobra_Fast | the player was there, i did a kick |
| 20:04.44 | Cobra_Fast | but the kick was on "joevano" who wasnt even on the server instead on the correct callsign |
| 20:05.00 | Cobra_Fast | but in fact, it did kick the right player out |
| 20:06.37 | temporalD | no idea - check the logs and see if there is more info |
| 20:06.57 | Cobra_Fast | what logs? =D |
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| 20:07.32 | Cobra_Fast | i guess the player was sending two MsgEnters or something similar |
| 20:07.49 | Cobra_Fast | so he kept the slot but changed callsign |
| 20:08.53 | BlasterWisconsin | He was just on 4200 asking to added to the hidden admin list |
| 20:09.39 | Cobra_Fast | i think this guy "Incubis" is dangerous |
| 20:09.41 | Cobra_Fast | dont trust him |
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| 20:46.07 | joevano | yep. Incubis is not me |
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| 21:18.11 | tobylane | Does 2.99 save the world files to something more similar to the original file than 2.0.* does |
| 21:18.33 | JefferyM | what do you mean? |
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| 21:18.48 | JefferyM | the mapr format disn't realy change much, some stuff was added |
| 21:19.17 | tobylane | when you saveworld, the file you get is very different to the file the map maker made |
| 21:19.19 | JefferyM | gahh, put on hand brace THEN type :) |
| 21:19.26 | JefferyM | posibly |
| 21:19.38 | JefferyM | the client never gets the raw map file |
| 21:19.54 | tobylane | feature request: they do get original map file |
| 21:19.55 | JefferyM | saveworld rebuilds the map text from the compiled map info that is sent |
| 21:19.59 | JefferyM | why? |
| 21:20.04 | JefferyM | ask the author for it |
| 21:20.10 | JefferyM | not all maps are distributable |
| 21:20.15 | tobylane | its like a website isnt it, i shouldnt have to |
| 21:20.25 | JefferyM | it's a video game |
| 21:20.28 | JefferyM | not a website |
| 21:20.46 | JefferyM | and think of it like the map being a php file |
| 21:20.51 | JefferyM | and what you see as the HTML it makes |
| 21:21.01 | tobylane | so the game compiles the map, why does that version get sent |
| 21:21.13 | JefferyM | because that's the version that is used |
| 21:21.16 | JefferyM | and it's a lot smaller |
| 21:21.25 | JefferyM | some servers don't even use map files |
| 21:21.31 | JefferyM | like the random map ones |
| 21:21.38 | JefferyM | all they do is generate compiled map info |
| 21:21.53 | tobylane | in the cases ive had to ask for the original, the only bit missing is the bit like http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=16092&sid=7937d0ec3f2472d577258575e74f55b6#p146845 |
| 21:22.13 | JefferyM | usualy options and world weapons |
| 21:22.20 | JefferyM | yeah that's common |
| 21:22.31 | JefferyM | that is NOT sent beceause the client dosn't need it |
| 21:22.41 | JefferyM | the client is not intended to be a document retreval system |
| 21:23.07 | tobylane | unless its a feature request, to be able to get maps as they were made, from the server |
| 21:23.13 | JefferyM | there is a specification for providing a "downlaod" url in the map if the author wants to |
| 21:23.25 | JefferyM | that's not the intent of the game |
| 21:24.06 | tobylane | it just seems a bit narrow minded and closed off, even commercial games are more open than this |
| 21:24.23 | JefferyM | that's bevcause all they use is compiled maps |
| 21:24.32 | JefferyM | and it's not narrow minded, it's just the way it is |
| 21:24.39 | tobylane | that doesnt make sense |
| 21:24.51 | tobylane | though i see it a lot, its the way it is, so its correct |
| 21:25.09 | JefferyM | it's just as "correct" as any other way |
| 21:25.16 | JefferyM | I understand what you want to do |
| 21:25.36 | JefferyM | but I don't think you understand that not everyone wants people do download ther maps |
| 21:25.42 | JefferyM | and they have that right |
| 21:25.52 | tobylane | not this per say, but it'd be nice to be able to challenge what the accepted ways are in this game |
| 21:26.10 | JefferyM | as with all things you can write up a patch |
| 21:26.22 | JefferyM | but I don't think it'd be a good idea to send the raw map |
| 21:26.37 | JefferyM | since the raw map may not exist as a file |
| 21:26.53 | JefferyM | I'd rather see it as part of the mapfnfo block where the licnense info is |
| 21:27.01 | JefferyM | license and download, etc... |
| 21:27.43 | tobylane | does the download thing go into the compiled map |
| 21:28.14 | JefferyM | that's the goal of it, to send that block to the client so it can have extra info about the map, like author, license, and download location |
| 21:28.49 | JefferyM | it was speced out at http://my.bzflag.org/w/Map_Info%28object%29 |
| 21:29.10 | joevano | tobylane, you are challenging what is accepted in this game, we just don't usually agree with your reasoning |
| 21:29.29 | JefferyM | it's good to challenge things then enter into discussions about them |
| 21:29.35 | JefferyM | that's what we are doing, discussing :) |
| 21:29.37 | tobylane | k ty night |
| 21:29.42 | JefferyM | wtf? |
| 21:30.21 | JefferyM | so much for feedback on the idea |
| 21:32.48 | JefferyM | his happy his maps are not human readable :) |
| 21:34.28 | JefferyM | opps, guess they are, if you don't compress them... all XML |
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| 21:47.14 | JefferyM | yay Pimpinella's here to tell me he changed his domain names over to .net :) |
| 21:59.16 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, when a game server verifies a player token, it asks the auth server if the player is in a list of some groups |
| 21:59.26 | JefferyM | and the auth server says yes or no |
| 21:59.54 | JefferyM | so as part of the group manger, the list server would have to be changed to pull the groups from a new location |
| 22:00.00 | JefferyM | eventualy that location will be ldap |
| 22:00.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | ah |
| 22:00.19 | JefferyM | but if the group manager is initaly made to work with the current login that will have to be some other databae for now |
| 22:01.40 | JefferyM | optimaly the group manager would contain an API that the list server could use |
| 22:02.10 | JefferyM | then we just have to modify the list server to use the group manager once, and just change the backend of the group manager as needed |
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| 22:11.06 | JefferyM | but yes I'd familarise yourself with how it all works now before you go and start looking at the manager |
| 22:11.12 | JefferyM | it's pretty straightforward |
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| 22:44.23 | antiyou | use windows |
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| 22:58.23 | blast007 | ok. |
| 23:13.02 | JefferyM | it's going to be one of those weeks isn't it? |
| 23:19.44 | blast007 | yup :) |
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