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12:09.31joevanoanybody ever look at this? http://www.cmake.org/cmake/project/about.html
12:10.12joevanoit is a cross platform make system that works on linux, mac AND windows
12:10.25ruskieand you only heard of this now?
12:10.52joevanoyep
12:11.20ruskiethere's like a ton of such systems really :)
12:11.57joevanowhy don't we use one, instead of maintaining all of our make files and projects
12:12.22ruskieI thought the makefiles were simply generated by autotools
12:12.35ruskieand I'm guessing projects are simpler to use than cmake for people on windows
12:13.40joevanobut we have to maintain MS VS projects, so far from the interview I am listening to on FLOSS weekly that is not necessary with cmake
12:14.58ruskiefrankly I don't care as long as it's not scons :)
12:16.42Chestalused scons for one project and kind of liked it
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13:06.33cygal_joevano: lot of work has been put in the current system, it would have to be duplicated, and since it now works..
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15:27.04BulletCatcherjoevano: I think the short answer is that BZFlag predates CMake and most of the other multiplatform development frameworks.
15:27.10BulletCatcherWhat we have works adequately, and it isn't clear that the benefit of a new system would outweigh the cost of changing to it.
15:27.14BulletCatcherA motivated individual could create CMakeLists.txt files (e.g., for BZWorkbench) in parallel with our existing system to show us the benefit.
15:29.48blast007joevano: nooooo, not cmake, please no
15:29.54blast007;)
15:30.27blast007already had to use that for something before... maybe OSG
15:31.19blast007definately not an intuitive system, at least when I used it
15:31.55BulletCatcherThere is nothing intuitive about GNU autotools, either.
15:32.28blast007BulletCatcher: right, but there is about Visual C++ projects ;)
15:32.31blast007for the most part
15:32.51blast007I wouldn't have had to touch/install CMake if they had actually provided the VC projects in their source download
15:32.52BulletCatcherI defer to your judgement on that.
15:33.34blast007BulletCatcher: "we need to add a file to the project. *right click*  *add file*  *click click*  *open*  Okay, done"
15:33.52blast007same for adding lots of files to a project ;)
15:34.04blast007selection rectangle ftw
15:36.28blast007hmm, actually looks like the wording is different
15:36.29blast007http://www.cmake.org/cmake/img/CMakeGUI.gif
15:36.40blast007I don't think it used to say so plainly "where is the source code"
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17:47.32Runicit appears ambient color of a material is not used by bzflag, is this also true for specular and emission as well
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18:17.18JefferyMtrepan would know the correct answer to that
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18:21.03JefferyMspecular may be now, as I've seen shinny shockwaves in trunk
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19:55.34JefferyMdoes not like beeing the middleman.
20:03.22Runicthen get out of the middle and hide in the corner instead :)
20:03.32JefferyMif only I could :)
20:03.46JefferyMresponsibilies and all that :)
20:04.20RunicI like the dark corner over there ->
20:04.34JefferyMthen noone would fix the post engine
20:04.39JefferyMand I'd not have a job
20:05.31Runicwell thaat wouldn't be good
20:05.43RunicTGIF
20:07.45JefferyMheh
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22:32.14trepanRunic isn't here, but:  yes; emission, specular, and shininess are all used  (and ambient is not)
22:32.34JefferyMif I see him I'll let him know, thanks
22:33.01JefferyMshiny sphere's have to use one of them I thought :)
22:37.18trepaniirc, the reason ambient isn't used is because glColorMaterial()'s default is GL_AMBIENT_AND_DIFFUSE, and no-one ever bothered to separate it for OpenGLMaterial
22:41.17JefferyMheh
22:48.32shining^JefferyM: do you remember my last opengl question ? maybe trepan could know better ?
22:48.45JefferyMthe mode change thing?
22:49.02JefferyMtrepan always knows better, the trick is getting him to say ;)
22:55.29shining^about this : src/geometry/FlagSceneNode.cxx:glLightModeli(GL_LIGHT_MODEL_TWO_SIDE, GL_TRUE);
22:57.30shining^I actually forgot this was only with v3 , not v2. apparently
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22:58.12shining^and the question is just how to check visually that the two side light works fine or not
22:58.50JefferyMlook at the back of a flag ;)
23:00.57trepanprobably knows OpenGL a little better, but for directX JefferyM would almost definitely be the better choice ;)
23:01.20JefferyMohh yeah I know how to change resolutions, I'z an expert
23:01.36JefferyMshining^, set your quality to experimental
23:01.42JefferyMthat wil give you "real" flags
23:01.51JefferyMand they should be shaded properly on both sides
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23:02.15trepantwo sided shading is used for the normal reversal on flags, iirc
23:02.27JefferyMyeah that's what it looks like
23:02.33JefferyMwhen they arn't billboards
23:02.58JefferyMit's in the "if(realflag) part
23:03.36JefferyMis stick of dealing with regression issues for the day
23:03.41JefferyMsick even
23:08.37shining^JefferyM: oh cool I see now :) thanks
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23:49.46JefferyMscrews it and bails :)

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