| 00:01.07 | trepan | http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4921/contrastneither.jpg -- no UVs there... |
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| 00:44.16 | thefirstdude | remember when bzflag had an online CGI::IRC client? |
| 00:44.23 | thefirstdude | is there still one online for bzflag? |
| 00:44.25 | JeffM2501 | still does |
| 00:44.28 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 00:45.15 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly useless for us to run one, since freenode runs one anyway |
| 00:45.45 | blast007 | actually think it might be disabled (ours, that is) |
| 00:46.05 | JeffM2501 | ja.. das es forboden |
| 00:46.23 | blast007 | the monkeys are on strike |
| 00:46.31 | JeffM2501 | they did get a raw deal |
| 00:46.38 | thefirstdude | i used to login, say shit and get kickec alot |
| 00:46.47 | *** kick/#bzflag [thefirstdude!~JeffM@bzflag/projectadmin/JeffM] by JeffM2501 (thefirstdude) |
| 00:46.52 | Constitution | hah |
| 00:46.54 | blast007 | kinda like that? |
| 00:46.56 | JeffM2501 | bingo |
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| 00:47.12 | brlcad | tsk tsk |
| 00:47.14 | JeffM2501 | language please |
| 00:47.16 | thefirstdude | lol, what |
| 00:47.18 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 00:47.22 | thefirstdude | i forgot |
| 00:47.24 | thefirstdude | sry |
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| 00:47.26 | JeffM2501 | obciously |
| 00:48.37 | thefirstdude | anyway I was saying i would login as bluewave I think |
| 00:48.42 | thefirstdude | that was like 7 years ago |
| 00:48.50 | thefirstdude | and I would make u mad and u would kick me |
| 00:49.04 | thefirstdude | I don't remember what I said though |
| 00:49.12 | JeffM2501 | does it matter? |
| 00:49.18 | thefirstdude | not rly |
| 00:49.27 | JeffM2501 | please use real english |
| 00:49.30 | blast007 | would you like to buy a vowel? or two? |
| 00:49.41 | thefirstdude | I need an r and an a |
| 00:49.44 | thefirstdude | e... |
| 00:49.51 | JeffM2501 | you need a little more then that |
| 00:49.56 | Constitution | there is ONE E! |
| 00:50.40 | thefirstdude | how many tims to I gt to us it |
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| 00:51.35 | trepan | first dud isn't faring so well this evening |
| 00:52.39 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look like it |
| 00:53.25 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I was bored, so I ordered some drupal book. "drupal 6 social networking" |
| 00:53.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:53.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:53.34 | blast007 | looks interesting |
| 00:53.49 | blast007 | at least the cover does |
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| 00:55.13 | thefirstdude | Okay, this is real english :) |
| 00:55.20 | thefirstdude | do I need to be kicked again? |
| 00:55.27 | blast007 | not yet |
| 00:55.50 | blast007 | and nobody said it would be a kick next time ;) |
| 00:55.55 | JeffM2501 | all up to you |
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| 00:59.58 | thefirstdude | hey a_met |
| 01:05.40 | a_meteorite | yo thefirstdude |
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| 09:51.42 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20948 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (MainWindow.cxx MainWindow.h guiplaying.cxx): * added observer mouse controls |
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| 12:56.42 | Constitution | brlcad: ping |
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| 13:44.52 | brlcad | Constitution: pong |
| 13:45.38 | Constitution | brlcad: in an autoconf system, is there a way to define AM_CPPFLAGS in configure.ac or in your first Makefile.am and have it apply to all of your subdirs? |
| 13:46.05 | brlcad | yes |
| 13:46.48 | Constitution | do you have to do it with AC_SUBST() and reference it as @AM_CPPFLAGS@? |
| 13:46.53 | brlcad | if it really is a flag that you are certain you want to apply to all dirs all the time, you make sure those are the last state of CFLAGS/CPPFLAGS/LDFLAGS/LIBS in configure.ac |
| 13:47.39 | Constitution | ok... I thought those were for user-defined environmental variables? |
| 13:48.06 | brlcad | they are still overridable by the user, you are setting defaults |
| 13:48.26 | brlcad | e.g., that is how --enable-debug usually adds -g to the compile |
| 13:48.38 | Constitution | oh |
| 13:49.00 | Constitution | so AM_CPPFLAGS only affects the makefile it's in, not subdirs? |
| 13:49.17 | brlcad | you can get a similar result with subst vars, but those aren't recursively applied and are still user-overridable (or at least they should be) |
| 13:50.48 | brlcad | I believe you can get the same recursive result by setting a default AM_CFLAGS/_CPPFLAGS/etc in configure.ac, but I've not seen that in practice much |
| 13:51.56 | brlcad | and isn't what autoconf's own macros use when you test for flags/libs/etc |
| 13:52.14 | brlcad | they set CFLAGS/CPPFLAGS/LIBS |
| 13:53.22 | Constitution | hmm, yeah I tried that for a while, but no luck at all |
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| 14:27.46 | BulletCatcher | Constitution: The easiest way is to define, e.g., CONSTITUTION_CPPFLAGS as desired in configure.ac along with AC_SUBST(CONSTITUTION_CPPFLAGS). Then, include AM_CPPFLAGS = $(CONSTITUTION_CPPFLAGS) in each Makefile.am where you want to use it. |
| 14:28.26 | Constitution | ok, that's what I ended up doing |
| 14:28.48 | Constitution | couldn't comprehend how there was no built-in redundancy somehow :) |
| 14:29.39 | BulletCatcher | There is, but only for CPPFLAGS and others. However, as you know those can be overridden by the user. |
| 14:30.05 | Constitution | ok |
| 14:30.06 | BulletCatcher | s/redundancy/recursion/ I assume |
| 14:30.13 | Constitution | er yeah |
| 14:30.37 | Constitution | all the howtos I was reading said that it was bad practice to set CPPFLAGS in configure.ac |
| 14:31.26 | BulletCatcher | I agree with them. :-) |
| 14:32.06 | Constitution | great :P |
| 14:36.14 | BulletCatcher | The GNU autotools are hugely flexible, and in this case the flexibility provided for the user interferes with the functionality you want. |
| 14:36.41 | BulletCatcher | What you are doing is the next best thing. |
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| 19:38.52 | brlcad | the "bad practice" of setting CPPFLAGS in configure.ac comes from the GNU guys only, one of many inconsistent practices they recommend against |
| 19:39.16 | brlcad | the assertion stems from the same reasoning as not testing for versions or platforms, you test for features |
| 19:39.39 | brlcad | the difference with flags, though, is that unlike platform tests, there are default flags |
| 19:40.44 | brlcad | especially since flags are already feature separated and characterized by configure -- the only problem is cross-compilation, but then that's a bit complicated for the alternative as well |
| 19:42.42 | brlcad | from a practical maintenance perspective, you can override CPPFLAGS even if they're set by configure just as easily as they are overridden with WHATEVER_CPPFLAGS |
| 19:45.18 | CIA-80 | BZFlag: 03runic * r20949 10/trunk/bzworkbench/include/render/RGBA.h: fix RGBA color parsing - added parsing formats: hex, vec3 and named color |
| 19:45.31 | brlcad | so then the difference boils down to the principle of DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself), which the latter method fails at |
| 19:47.57 | JefferyM | or if you are on windows.. press F5 ;) |
| 19:48.31 | brlcad | not quite :P |
| 19:49.29 | brlcad | like setting include paths in your solution or in all include project targets individually (but through a variable) |
| 19:50.19 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 19:50.30 | JefferyM | prefers them to be relitive |
| 19:52.32 | brlcad | if you had 20 binaries being compiled, it's like whether you could add ../path/to/whatever in just one place and be done with it, or in one place as a variable and 20 places reference that variable for the include path |
| 19:52.46 | brlcad | that's basically the difference |
| 19:52.59 | brlcad | gnu says do the latter |
| 19:53.22 | brlcad | I say their not always right |
| 19:53.29 | brlcad | they're even |
| 19:53.38 | JefferyM | heh |
| 19:54.03 | Bambino | Sk3let0n's current username: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=47900 |
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| 19:54.50 | JefferyM | Bambino, what makes you think it's him? |
| 19:55.43 | brlcad | Bambino: that user has been using a variety of names lately, but not causing too much trouble as those names |
| 19:56.10 | JefferyM | noooo.. TimRiker got changed to canadian.. he costs less now! |
| 19:56.15 | Bambino | um |
| 19:56.27 | bryjen | cn=china |
| 19:56.31 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 19:56.42 | JefferyM | ok then we can make many copies of him very cheaply |
| 19:56.48 | Bambino | he has the same host, he brings 50 of his bots onto servers |
| 19:57.03 | Bambino | he has the same IP as his bots |
| 19:57.03 | TimRikerShanghai | yeah, but the copies are even worse than the original. |
| 19:57.04 | JefferyM | have the owners be able to take care of it ok? |
| 19:57.14 | Bambino | I've being going around |
| 19:57.17 | JefferyM | TimRikerShanghai, depends on how modable they are :) |
| 19:57.46 | Bambino | he's been on random maps with no admins with 80 bots, but I don't even play there, so.. |
| 19:58.10 | brlcad | TimRikerShanghai: so you going around with a big sign saying "Down with communism, fight the system!" while wearing a big USA t-shirt? |
| 19:58.14 | JefferyM | TimRikerShanghai, I added some verbage to devinfo about the assumed copyright transfer that developers do when they commit code/patches. I think you shoudl read it. |
| 19:59.17 | TimRikerShanghai | brlcad: that sounds like fun. perhaps I'll try that. :) I flew to Shenzhen today with on a ticket for a timothyjay ricker. they didn't like that much. |
| 19:59.56 | TimRikerShanghai | JefferyM: ok. I get back in the states Thursday. I'll check it out then. |
| 20:00.03 | JefferyM | ok |
| 20:00.16 | JefferyM | most of it is pulled from the apache docs tha say the same thing |
| 20:00.32 | TimRikerShanghai | cool. |
| 20:00.39 | JefferyM | I just saw a /. article on a game that did some relicensing/transfers recently and got into trouble since it wasn't spelled out. |
| 20:07.20 | TimRikerShanghai | yeah, the clearer the better. :) |
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| 20:13.56 | kierra | joevano: ping |
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| 20:14.34 | kierra | brlcad: ping |
| 20:14.46 | kierra | dont make me ping JefferyM |
| 20:15.10 | ts | JefferyM: ping |
| 20:19.26 | ts | Erroneous, blast007: One of you here? |
| 20:20.34 | ts | BulletCatcher: You're there? |
| 20:20.35 | Bambino | sk3's new name is Beholder, just so everyone knows. |
| 20:21.40 | brlcad | kierra: hello |
| 20:22.14 | ts | brlcad: She is matching and she will be back in 15 minutes |
| 20:22.28 | ts | brlcad: I just noticed a possible security problem |
| 20:23.06 | ts | I saw someone appearing as someone else (impersonating) |
| 20:23.14 | ts | With a plus |
| 20:23.54 | ts | My client showed a message "WARNING: player already exists at location with id 4" |
| 20:24.14 | ts | in the terminal.. |
| 20:25.10 | ts | brlcad: This is the corresponding server log: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/LjvgExjp |
| 20:25.52 | ts | brlcad: and then he could write as kyrie and appeared as kyrie in lagstats |
| 20:26.19 | ts | brlcad: also he got the messages sent to kyrie.. |
| 20:27.13 | ts | brlcad: later he did the same with temporal distraction and we managed to get the real player joining the server and the imposter got ghosted. |
| 20:27.28 | ts | brlcad: Is that problem known? |
| 20:28.00 | ts | server version was 2.0.13...I told the server owner to update the server version ASAP |
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| 20:28.35 | Bambino | ts: and me, he impersonated me, with a +, and he also authed correctly without local auth |
| 20:28.43 | ts | yes, that too.. |
| 20:28.45 | ts | and others |
| 20:28.53 | ts | but always the pattern like in this log |
| 20:31.03 | ts | First he joins with a good global login then he comes with tokbad on the same player slot at the server |
| 20:32.29 | ts | the callsign isn't updated in scoreboard until a rejoin of client is done (or someone joining first time after the impersonating was started) and the new callsign gets applied immediately to lagstats for example. |
| 20:36.25 | brlcad | ts: hard to say with the server out of date but sounds like a relatively new issue |
| 20:37.56 | ts | brlcad: I can give you the full log if it helps |
| 20:38.07 | kierra | hi brlcad |
| 20:38.42 | kierra | ts told you want i wanted in better terms than i |
| 20:39.03 | ts | brlcad: Obviously there is a sanity check in playing.cxx but not in the server and I feel lost tracing it. |
| 20:39.29 | ts | brlcad: It would be really great if you could take care of that issue. |
| 20:41.35 | ts | brlcad: playing.cxx:1277 (v2_0branch) in my chat box, I think |
| 20:43.05 | ts | brlcad: I also have my client log, if that helps |
| 20:51.18 | JefferyM | ts, kierra ? |
| 20:52.22 | JefferyM | wtf? |
| 20:52.25 | ts | JefferyM: See the huge text before please. |
| 20:52.33 | JefferyM | too long, won't read |
| 20:52.39 | JefferyM | sum up |
| 20:53.03 | JefferyM | is there a bug in the code? |
| 20:53.05 | kierra | sk3l is able to impersonate players on bz with + |
| 20:53.08 | ts | Skeletron found a way to impersonate players with global login, with a plus. |
| 20:53.14 | kierra | :) |
| 20:53.19 | JefferyM | is there a bug in the code? |
| 20:53.30 | ts | Yes |
| 20:53.34 | JefferyM | fix it |
| 20:53.44 | ts | I can't :( |
| 20:53.48 | JefferyM | why not? |
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| 20:54.26 | ts | I'd need centuries to trace it and to solve it. |
| 20:54.37 | JefferyM | bs |
| 20:54.52 | JefferyM | how can you know it's a bug in the code if you make that statement? |
| 20:54.57 | kierra | washes JefferyM 's mouth with soap |
| 20:55.06 | TimRikerShanghai | the old player slot should get emptied and the + removed before a new one shows up. That is not happening? |
| 20:55.10 | JefferyM | what's wrong with banderstanchies? |
| 20:55.25 | JefferyM | oh it's just slot reset? |
| 20:55.31 | JefferyM | that should be easy to fix |
| 20:55.49 | JefferyM | is it a client or a server bug? |
| 20:56.06 | ts | My C is bad and the only bigger thing I did was the pause msg and you know that failed |
| 20:56.10 | ts | Server bug |
| 20:56.26 | JefferyM | server dosn't use slots, it's lists of classes, they are newed each time I belive |
| 20:56.34 | JefferyM | playing.cxx is client side |
| 20:56.58 | JefferyM | do you know anything more techinical then "you have seen it" ? |
| 20:57.48 | TimRikerShanghai | should look for that txt: "WARNING: player already exists at location with id ..." |
| 20:57.57 | ts | In playing.cxx there seems to be a sanity check alerting when the impersonating trick is done when one observes |
| 20:58.49 | JefferyM | does not understand what anyone is saying and will just stay out untill he does, or people start making sense |
| 21:00.13 | TimRikerShanghai | sounds like there's a way to connect with a valid global account, and then reconnect to that same place with a non-global account but still get a + on the client view. Not sure if that means the server also thinks the player is global authed, or just the clients. |
| 21:00.31 | JefferyM | that I could belive |
| 21:00.50 | JefferyM | if that's true that's a client only display thing and not a real problem |
| 21:01.02 | bryjen | wonders what sending MsgEnter twice does |
| 21:01.18 | TimRikerShanghai | well, it could fool you into banning the wrong person etc. |
| 21:01.27 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 21:01.46 | JefferyM | ts, kierra have you seen him impresonate someone who has admin on a server? |
| 21:01.57 | kierra | not yet |
| 21:01.59 | JefferyM | and if so did he use any admin powers? |
| 21:02.00 | TimRikerShanghai | that would be interesting to try |
| 21:02.03 | JefferyM | I'll be he can't |
| 21:02.12 | kierra | i hope he never chooses me |
| 21:02.29 | JefferyM | you could just log in and ghost him |
| 21:02.30 | kierra | if you see me acting inappropriately.....you better know its not me |
| 21:02.55 | JefferyM | the server knows the truth :) |
| 21:03.06 | kierra | and that happened on borasi, he was on as temporal distraction and when the real td came...the false was removed |
| 21:03.21 | JefferyM | makes sense |
| 21:03.37 | JefferyM | yeah sounds like it's client only |
| 21:03.42 | TimRikerShanghai | previous leave message and new enter message should both happen over tcp and hence be in sequence. ie: the player should not let the slot get re-used. I'd have to walk to code though. not going to do that while in china. :) |
| 21:04.08 | JefferyM | I'll check what happens on remove |
| 21:04.13 | JefferyM | when I can |
| 21:04.17 | JefferyM | has to fix a store |
| 21:04.31 | JefferyM | bryjen's question should be investigated as well |
| 21:04.47 | bryjen | it didn't look like there was a remove in ts's log snippet |
| 21:05.00 | TimRikerShanghai | in any case, thx for reporting it. :) I'll try to look into it this weekend when I get back to the states. |
| 21:05.08 | JefferyM | ok, then we need to force the reset on the reender |
| 21:05.20 | JefferyM | reenter |
| 21:05.27 | JefferyM | that's probably what's happening |
| 21:05.34 | TimRikerShanghai | that sounds logical. and look into why there isn't one already. |
| 21:05.34 | JefferyM | just kill the socket then reconnect |
| 21:05.53 | JefferyM | because we never talk to each other ;) |
| 21:05.58 | TimRikerShanghai | :) |
| 21:06.52 | JefferyM | guess this means 2.0.16 |
| 21:06.58 | JefferyM | "Thanks for nothin" |
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| 21:07.22 | TimRikerShanghai | well, I gotta get up in a couple hours, I better try getting some sleep first. "night" all. |
| 21:07.28 | JefferyM | have fun |
| 21:07.31 | TimRikerShanghai | :) |
| 21:08.22 | JefferyM | going to gess it's in MsgPlayerInfo |
| 21:08.33 | JefferyM | that just gets the player slot |
| 21:09.10 | JefferyM | hmmm tho that does always set amdin, reg, and verified |
| 21:10.33 | JefferyM | the lsa state is always set for the player on MSGEnter on the server, so I don't think it would be there |
| 21:17.37 | JefferyM | it's MsgAddPlayer |
| 21:17.40 | JefferyM | it dosn't check |
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| 21:19.40 | JefferyM | the question is how did he get an addplayer to happen before the info is sent |
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| 21:54.53 | blast007 | a replay would probably show that all |
| 21:57.12 | ts | I'm afraid there is no replay available. |
| 21:57.28 | ts | It wasn't recorded |
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| 21:59.13 | brad | wasn't it during a match ts? |
| 22:00.08 | ts | I think no |
| 22:00.22 | ts | However it would be great if it was.. |
| 22:00.48 | brad | next time he joins, start a countdown quickly :p |
| 22:01.27 | ts | Hmm, we could skip through the replays and look for him but I bet he won't be in one |
| 22:12.40 | ts | brad: I just skipped through the replays of today of your server where he did the impersonating thing and it wasn't in a replay. |
| 22:12.48 | brad | aw. |
| 22:12.52 | brad | shame |
| 22:13.00 | ts | My memory serves me right :( |
| 22:13.17 | me1 | hmm? |
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| 23:26.12 | bartleby | Hi. Can one of you guys delete my callsign "bartleby" and I will just register it. I was having problems with it and passwords for awhile. I've been using my son's callsign lately but would like to start using my own again. |
| 23:26.36 | blast007 | use the "forgot password" feature |
| 23:26.42 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 23:27.17 | bartleby | I have. everytime I use that it does not work. unless it was fixed recently. |
| 23:28.49 | SpazzyMcGee | perhaps the email was being caught in a junk filter? |
| 23:31.00 | bartleby | no I received email. but the password would never work. |
| 23:31.29 | bartleby | I was told by kierra I was not the only one having this problem. |
| 23:31.43 | blast007 | when had you last tried? |
| 23:32.13 | bartleby | maybe a month ago or so. |
| 23:32.22 | bartleby | perhaps longer. |
| 23:32.38 | bartleby | I'll try again now I guess. |
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