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| 01:05.39 | atrixnet | just did the same |
| 01:05.47 | atrixnet | >/var/log/bzflag/game.log 2>&1 & |
| 01:06.28 | atrixnet | i didn't read any futher in the rc script than the top few global lines |
| 01:06.31 | atrixnet | my bad :( |
| 01:07.47 | blast007 | :) |
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| 01:32.57 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 01:32.58 | ibot | it has been said that bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
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| 02:23.24 | atrixnet | new server up, running, serving tankage |
| 02:23.28 | atrixnet | thanks to you devs |
| 02:23.32 | atrixnet | my hat is off to you |
| 02:23.36 | atrixnet | thanks for all you give |
| 02:24.30 | jeffm | how many servers are there now? |
| 02:24.41 | atrixnet | oh I'm just running one |
| 02:24.53 | jeffm | I know |
| 02:24.57 | jeffm | I mean en toto |
| 02:24.57 | atrixnet | when I get some better bandwidth I'll run more |
| 02:25.02 | atrixnet | host user maps, etc |
| 02:25.21 | jeffm | how much bandwith do you have ? |
| 02:25.30 | blast007 | it's a home connection afaik |
| 02:25.36 | atrixnet | yeah |
| 02:25.43 | atrixnet | to my eternal shame |
| 02:25.53 | jeffm | how much upstream? |
| 02:26.01 | atrixnet | i have some friends in the colo business but i'm too proud to ask for favors |
| 02:26.17 | atrixnet | hold up lemme test... |
| 02:28.51 | atrixnet | burstable 1meg up |
| 02:29.04 | atrixnet | pathetic 512k sustainable |
| 02:29.19 | atrixnet | still, server doesn't lag at 9 player limit |
| 02:29.39 | atrixnet | i don't know why so many people like it, except that i take away like all limits and let them go |
| 02:30.10 | atrixnet | when I get more bandwidth they'll get more game |
| 02:30.32 | Bambino | atrixnet: less shots consume less bandwidth |
| 02:30.52 | jeffm | indeed |
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| 02:36.13 | atrixnet | bambino: i give the people what they want |
| 02:36.34 | atrixnet | i asked players every day for over a week, what do you want as far as shot limitations |
| 02:36.43 | atrixnet | not one person logged in said "please limit it" |
| 02:36.54 | atrixnet | it was a unanimous "let us fire our asses off!" |
| 02:36.56 | atrixnet | so... |
| 02:37.03 | atrixnet | apparently that's what they wanted |
| 02:37.19 | atrixnet | when I can host more maps i'll set up other servers with different limitations and features |
| 02:37.37 | atrixnet | apparently my default map doesn't favor the skilled, but is a newb incubator |
| 02:37.47 | Bambino | of course it is... |
| 02:38.14 | Bambino | I think you hold the record for having a random map on the front page of the list server for the longest time |
| 02:38.17 | atrixnet | i could only conclude based on my "straw poll" that everybody on my server was a n00b! |
| 02:38.25 | atrixnet | w00T! |
| 02:39.03 | Bambino | that's why pros with T get amazing score ratios |
| 02:39.31 | atrixnet | i guess my desire or goal isn't to be popular |
| 02:39.36 | atrixnet | that was a side effect |
| 02:39.43 | atrixnet | my whole goal was just to have fun |
| 02:40.02 | Bambino | mod bzfs to allow 50+ shots |
| 02:40.15 | Bambino | give everyone the say perm |
| 02:40.24 | Bambino | and say "everyone welcome" |
| 02:40.29 | atrixnet | HAHA |
| 02:40.31 | Bambino | then say "jk, no cheaters" |
| 02:40.33 | atrixnet | ok ok that's too much |
| 02:40.49 | Bambino | hey, that's what I'm planning for april 1st |
| 02:40.59 | atrixnet | i should have registered the nick "mistermillionshots" or something |
| 02:41.00 | Bambino | the most epic noob server ever |
| 02:41.06 | atrixnet | sweet! |
| 02:41.18 | Bambino | everyone will show the @ also |
| 02:41.36 | atrixnet | you crack me up |
| 02:41.43 | Bambino | which reminds me.... |
| 02:41.44 | atrixnet | all admins have antiban tho? |
| 02:41.48 | Bambino | yes |
| 02:41.50 | a_meteorite | only if you give it to them |
| 02:41.55 | atrixnet | it's gonna be a hornets nest! |
| 02:41.59 | Bambino | there is a "showAdmin" plugin |
| 02:42.12 | Bambino | so it shows the @ without giving people ban or shortban |
| 02:42.29 | Bambino | anyone know the line to allow max shots in bzfs? |
| 02:42.49 | a_meteorite | probably line 10,000-something |
| 02:42.57 | atrixnet | one sec... |
| 02:43.37 | atrixnet | -ms 20 |
| 02:43.42 | Bambino | no... |
| 02:43.43 | atrixnet | -ms (max shots) |
| 02:43.57 | Bambino | BZFS only allows 20 shots max by default |
| 02:44.08 | Bambino | I want to do a -ms 50 |
| 02:44.22 | Bambino | therefore requiring a mod |
| 02:44.30 | jeffm | see what that sets |
| 02:44.37 | atrixnet | ok i got an unknown bzflagger telling me to up the ante to 1000 shots |
| 02:44.48 | Bambino | not me... |
| 02:45.01 | atrixnet | yeah i'm not taking the bait |
| 02:45.05 | a_meteorite | that would only be fun with long adlife on laser only |
| 02:45.09 | atrixnet | not quite convinced |
| 02:45.22 | a_meteorite | some maps look awesome with it |
| 02:45.23 | blast007 | I bet the unknown bzflagger is also 12 |
| 02:45.32 | atrixnet | a bit of money sent to my paypal account _might_ possibly sway my opinion in one way or another |
| 02:45.37 | atrixnet | HA! |
| 02:45.41 | atrixnet | HAHA! |
| 02:45.42 | jeffm | you can't go to 1000 |
| 02:45.54 | a_meteorite | 255 is probably the hard limit |
| 02:46.01 | atrixnet | no i'm serious I swear. i'm getting pms telling me "trust me you can go 1K shots" |
| 02:46.07 | Bambino | jeffm: do you know the line to allow max shots for bzfs, if so, please tell :) |
| 02:46.15 | blast007 | Bambino: grep for MaxShots |
| 02:46.18 | jeffm | Bambino: no use your noodle |
| 02:46.30 | Bambino | okay |
| 02:50.31 | atrixnet | what's the fun in asking if it's always rtfm? |
| 02:50.41 | atrixnet | ;_; cries |
| 02:50.51 | atrixnet | the intarweebs is so kruel |
| 02:51.04 | jeffm | he has the tools he should use them |
| 02:51.18 | jeffm | also people don't memorize that kinda stuff |
| 02:51.28 | atrixnet | i do |
| 02:51.29 | jeffm | so to anwer him I'd have to look it up, so he may as well do it |
| 02:51.32 | atrixnet | (just kidding) |
| 02:51.56 | atrixnet | but don't you feel that warm fuzzy feeling of having helped your fellow man by doing it? |
| 02:52.01 | atrixnet | *flamebait* |
| 02:52.05 | McSpider | CmdLineOptions.h |
| 02:52.28 | atrixnet | mcspider that's so cruel! |
| 02:52.30 | atrixnet | HA! |
| 02:52.35 | atrixnet | BOOYAH! |
| 02:52.37 | McSpider | what? |
| 02:53.14 | jeffm | I feel better knowing he is a better person for having the experinece of learning how to search |
| 02:56.18 | atrixnet | haters |
| 02:56.55 | jeffm | huh? |
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| 12:07.34 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6997 10/w/TorBlock: Fix link syntax |
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| 14:41.55 | a_meteorite | what's considered a critical fix? |
| 14:44.55 | BulletCatcher | Something that visibly affects players, more or less. |
| 14:45.45 | a_meteorite | major security holes count? |
| 14:45.59 | BulletCatcher | Yes. Got one? |
| 14:46.20 | a_meteorite | as in, fire up a hundred TCP connections, send nothing, and denial of service the server |
| 14:46.35 | a_meteorite | I've got that one fixed in BZFX's repos for a while now |
| 14:46.45 | a_meteorite | I think blast007 was hit by it a few times |
| 14:47.52 | brad | what would that affect? (just curious) |
| 14:47.55 | BulletCatcher | If you'll submit that as a patch on the SourceForge site I'll take a look. |
| 14:48.08 | a_meteorite | http://git.bzfx.net/~meteorite/BZFlag/commit/?h=bzfx-2.0-production&id=5977c1ac46380bb94e40551efc63af91ef169f26 |
| 14:48.45 | a_meteorite | the mods to GameKeeper.* are necessary, and the last block before the SELECT() (can be placed anywhere in the main run loop) work dandy |
| 14:49.06 | a_meteorite | prevents multiple IPs from sitting around and not MsgEnter'ing |
| 14:49.21 | a_meteorite | I patched that way back in January but no one apparently pays attention to our repos :) |
| 14:50.04 | a_meteorite | any of those other blocks have caused problems, but the very last one is a fix, I haven't committed it back to the repo |
| 14:50.40 | a_meteorite | er, *duplicate IPs |
| 14:50.44 | a_meteorite | I haven't got any sleep.. |
| 14:51.06 | BulletCatcher | We can only accept code submitted via SourceForge. |
| 14:51.21 | a_meteorite | brad: well, for one, no one would be able to join |
| 14:51.46 | a_meteorite | 200 TCP connections, very easy, and the server runs out of FDs and slots |
| 14:52.30 | a_meteorite | BulletCatcher: "can only"? |
| 14:53.29 | BulletCatcher | It documents that we are able to redistribute the code according to the LGPL license used by BZFlag. |
| 14:54.04 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 14:54.25 | a_meteorite | do I get credit? :P |
| 14:54.34 | BulletCatcher | Absolutely. |
| 14:56.13 | a_meteorite | patches or bugs tracker? |
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| 14:56.36 | BulletCatcher | If it is a patch, then patches. |
| 15:05.20 | a_meteorite | bah, need a fresh repo |
| 15:05.23 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 15:05.46 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
| 15:10.51 | a_meteorite | BulletCatcher: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2979441&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 15:14.04 | BulletCatcher | I see it. Thanks. |
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| 17:23.54 | BulletCatcher | Thoughts on a_meteorite's patch at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2979441&group_id=3248&atid=303248 ? |
| 17:24.01 | BulletCatcher | I think it would be better to have that sort of check in acceptClient() rather than the main loop. |
| 17:24.03 | BulletCatcher | And we are running out of time to meet the .16 deadline. |
| 17:29.21 | JefferyM | so it dosn't let 2 players conenct with the same IP? |
| 17:30.10 | JefferyM | and yes the main loop is not a good place for anything :) |
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| 17:31.33 | BulletCatcher | It only affects multiple connections that are not in isPlaying() state. |
| 17:31.57 | blast007 | (as in, when someone is trying to DoS the server by filling up all slots) |
| 17:32.02 | JefferyM | will that ever screw up 2 players that are connecting from the same router? |
| 17:32.12 | JefferyM | and how risky is the change? |
| 17:32.22 | JefferyM | and your confidence in it? |
| 17:32.41 | BulletCatcher | If they try to connect at the same time I can see it kicking one. |
| 17:33.03 | temporalD | there are good reasons to connect more than one client from the same IP |
| 17:33.04 | brad | will that mess up -solo ? |
| 17:33.16 | JefferyM | yes these are all my concerns |
| 17:33.20 | blast007 | ooo, good thought brad |
| 17:35.07 | BulletCatcher | Unless someone (not me) has time to find a better solution and test in the next few hours, then we won't meet the deadline. |
| 17:35.09 | JefferyM | also is inside bzfs the best place to deal with ddos? are there not better ways upstream? |
| 17:35.44 | JefferyM | oh and 16 has a name I had forgoten it |
| 17:36.11 | JefferyM | "no foolin" it works on multiple levels :) |
| 17:36.22 | BulletCatcher | That works for me. |
| 17:36.55 | BulletCatcher | "No foolin'." or "No fooling." |
| 17:37.46 | BulletCatcher | The patch only protects against non-distributed DoS. |
| 17:38.09 | JefferyM | would that not be simpler to protect at the firewall |
| 17:38.32 | JefferyM | some rule that only allows 2-3 connections per IP |
| 17:39.20 | BulletCatcher | bzfs already has the state information to distinguish fully joined players from unproductive TCP connections, so it makes sense to do it there. |
| 17:39.23 | blast007 | or some kind of 'block' command that an server owner can use to add an IP to a block list ;) |
| 17:39.41 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Iptables |
| 17:40.01 | JefferyM | yeah I guess, I just don't want our stuff to be wrong for real players |
| 17:40.06 | JefferyM | specialy if it's "on" all the time |
| 17:40.23 | blast007 | I havn't had such an attack since I blocked Tor |
| 17:40.39 | blast007 | (at the firewall) |
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| 17:41.21 | BulletCatcher | The banlist only works after MsgEnter, and this would affect connections that don't get that far. |
| 17:41.23 | JefferyM | also do these attacks happen to every bzfs? |
| 17:41.56 | JefferyM | is there an API hook for a new connection? |
| 17:42.14 | JefferyM | could make this into an optional plugin I'm thinkin |
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| 17:42.32 | JefferyM | I understand the need for it and bzfs having the info, I'm just not sold on making it a default feature |
| 17:43.41 | BulletCatcher | I don't see an API hook for pre-Enter connections. |
| 17:44.00 | JefferyM | that may be handy just in general to allow for a pre-enter banlist as well |
| 17:44.27 | BulletCatcher | Well, it sounds like none of this will happen today. |
| 17:44.47 | JefferyM | it's probably best not to shove it into this release |
| 17:44.59 | BulletCatcher | I agree. |
| 17:45.25 | JefferyM | trunk has some pre enter callbacks, mostly for out of protcoll stuff |
| 17:46.58 | JefferyM | blast007, do you want to do the winbins this time? |
| 17:47.02 | BulletCatcher | Right. And support for those will change the way the fix will have to work in trunk, e.g., to allow multiple HTTP connections. But that's trunk. |
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| 17:47.42 | JefferyM | yeah that's another thing that bugged me about doing it this way now, it would potentitaly have to change in trunk |
| 17:48.57 | BulletCatcher | It doesn't seem to be a widespread problem right now. a_meteorite already has the fix for his server, so I do not see it as high urgency. |
| 17:49.29 | JefferyM | yeah I don't think it's going to be a general problem. some popluar servers may be hit with it but that's about it |
| 17:51.04 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20976 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: Mention removed plugins. |
| 17:53.30 | BulletCatcher | The branch AUTHORS file hasn't been updated in 3 years. |
| 17:54.31 | BulletCatcher | There have been several new contributors since then. |
| 18:09.14 | BulletCatcher | trepan: You do not want to be mentioned in the AUTHORS file. Correct? |
| 18:11.38 | blast007 | JefferyM: I haven't yet been successful in building it on Windows with VC9 |
| 18:11.42 | blast007 | but I could try again |
| 18:13.33 | BulletCatcher | For contributors in AUTHORS, do we just name them in the first year they contributed? |
| 18:27.43 | a_meteorite | I would modify the patch to be acceptable, but I don't know enough to fit in with BZFS's general style (if you can call it that, honestly). It would cause a problem with bots come to think of it. Adding in a bit of fudge for connection time would solve that. |
| 18:28.15 | a_meteorite | I think several servers have been hit by these attacks and there was no patch to prevent it (I mean mine's been "published", but not many people check out our sources to know about it) |
| 18:28.41 | a_meteorite | And I'm really way way too tired to think right to make it work right now. |
| 18:29.07 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I've only been hit once to my knowledge |
| 18:29.08 | a_meteorite | But I saw tat thing about critical fixes, figured I should try to get it in... |
| 18:29.12 | blast007 | and it was via Tor |
| 18:29.36 | a_meteorite | blast007: sadly, banning only works post-MsgEnter to accommodate for whitelisting |
| 18:29.49 | blast007 | I didn't ban |
| 18:29.51 | blast007 | I firewalled |
| 18:29.54 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 18:30.02 | a_meteorite | used a nice script to insert into iptables |
| 18:30.03 | a_meteorite | ? |
| 18:30.08 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:30.10 | blast007 | one from Thumper |
| 18:30.29 | blast007 | and one that is now also in the bzflag wiki http://my.bzflag.org/w/Iptables |
| 18:31.31 | a_meteorite | imho, it's an inherent flaw in the way bzfs works and assumes things |
| 18:31.46 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 18:31.49 | a_meteorite | reminds me of that slowloris DoS against web servers |
| 18:32.25 | a_meteorite | web servers just innately assume that they're serving files, and that a DoS would come in the form of high traffic |
| 18:32.52 | a_meteorite | instead where slowloris purposefully keeps a connection open and moves data slowly to tie up FDs/threads/what-have-you |
| 18:33.19 | a_meteorite | ick, I'm seeing double. |
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| 19:04.26 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20977 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/AUTHORS: Add nine contributors to branch code. Thanks to all. |
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| 19:31.28 | JefferyM | blast007, up to you, I just always seem to do it, so figured you may want a chance. spread it out etc.. |
| 19:32.17 | JefferyM | a_meteorite, it's not really a critical fix |
| 19:32.48 | JefferyM | the game has existed for a long time with out it. it would be useful yes, but it's just a bit too risky for this close to a release. I would like to see it in V3 |
| 19:32.59 | JefferyM | but then it would also need to work with the HTTP stuff |
| 19:33.19 | JefferyM | I |
| 19:33.20 | JefferyM | I |
| 19:33.23 | JefferyM | bah |
| 19:33.38 | JefferyM | I'm also not sure if it should be on by default unless we can be sure it's 100% accurate |
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| 20:34.13 | blast007 | JefferyM: I'll give it a try |
| 20:35.03 | JefferyM | k |
| 20:38.26 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20978 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: she has a name |
| 20:39.03 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 0375.16.90.222 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6999 10/w/BZFlag_2.0.16: New page: BZFlag version 2.0.16 '''"No foolin"''', is the current maintenance version of the BZFlag game for Windows, Apple OSX, and Linux. It was released on 04/01/2010. It is being released primar... |
| 20:40.02 | JefferyM | a proofread on that would be loverly ;) |
| 20:41.35 | temporalD | too many quotes around "no foolin' " :) |
| 20:50.16 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:50.39 | brlcad | so the next one should then just be "still foolin'" |
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| 20:56.21 | thefirstdude | 3 single quotes means multiline quote in python |
| 21:04.30 | temporalD | figured it was some odd thing like that... |
| 21:15.03 | blast007 | actually that's just the wiki syntax for bold font |
| 21:17.24 | temporalD | got it :) |
| 21:18.45 | JefferyM | it's a wiki fix it ;) |
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| 21:34.11 | Constitution | are we doing a mac build for this? |
| 21:49.23 | blast007 | JefferyM: it's fine, actually. think he was just seeing the weird quote look in the CIA message |
| 21:56.49 | JefferyM | Constitution, I don't see why not if you don't mind doin it |
| 21:56.57 | JefferyM | blast007, k |
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| 22:53.49 | *** topic/#bzflag by JefferyM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.14 is the current release || 2.0.16 TBR 4/1/10, 3/31 Package testing |
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| 23:38.37 | Cobra_Slow | blast007: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=16146&start=0 <- lil assain posted crap again ... |
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