IRC log for #bzflag on 20100419

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15:50.47CIA-32BZFlag: 03trepan * r21014 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/guiplaying.cxx: * observer mouse control improvement (imo)
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17:31.42trepani have to ask again, could windows and mac use SDL?
17:31.52JefferyMmac does use SDL
17:31.54JefferyMwindows could
17:32.03JefferyMwe'd loose some joystick stuff
17:32.15trepanthere's also a platform/MacOSX/ directory
17:32.20JefferyMyeah that'
17:32.21JefferyMthat
17:32.23JefferyMbahh
17:32.28JefferyMthat's the old OSX stuff
17:32.38JefferyMthink of it like the X11 stuff
17:32.44trepanthere's also the X11 and BeOS junk
17:32.47JefferyMyeah
17:32.51trepanhm, and HPUX
17:32.53JefferyMthey could be removed
17:33.17JefferyMoh and we'd loose force feedback on windows if it went to SDL
17:34.03trepancan live with that ;)
17:34.22JefferyMyou just want to clean it up to clean it up, or solve some problem?
17:34.36trepana bit of both
17:34.39JefferyMcus you could split the stick stuff out of the platform
17:34.46trepanthe whole key handling setup is sorta crap
17:34.46JefferyMand then make everyone use SDL for drawing
17:34.51JefferyMbut have a split just for stick
17:35.01JefferyMbe a much smaller API
17:35.07trepanreceive unicode chars is fine for text, but not the best for key driven events
17:35.12trepan*receiving
17:36.06trepanex: you can't tell ctrl+M from Enter
17:36.42JefferyMand the SDL platform fixes that?
17:36.45trepani've added a "int BzfKeyEvent::keysym", renamed 'chr' to 'unicode', and renamed 'shift' to 'modifiers'
17:36.56trepanSDL platform is much easier to work
17:36.59trepan... with
17:37.16trepandon't have to change all of the platforms for changes
17:37.24JefferyMfor minimal changes the only other one that you'd have to update would be widows
17:37.26JefferyMthe others can die
17:37.38trepanwindows API is made of suck
17:37.44JefferyMmoving windows to SDL I think should be a seperate proejct
17:37.48JefferyMspecialy if release is desired
17:37.50trepan(for translations at least  ;)
17:38.05JefferyMbut hey, if you want to rip it all up, go for it
17:38.11JefferyMyou sure you don't want to be a project admin?
17:38.21trepannope
17:38.31JefferyMyou can have my slot
17:38.38trepanheh
17:39.26trepanwindows built with SDL works currently?
17:39.33JefferyMdunno
17:39.34JefferyMnever tired
17:39.37JefferyMthere is no project for it
17:39.54blast007someone had cross compiled a win32 bin linked with SDL previously
17:39.55JefferyMlast time I saw one it was a cross compile
17:40.00JefferyMit worked
17:40.08JefferyMfor some versions of "worked"
17:40.19JefferyMit's server did not read MSVC built plugins
17:41.08trepanthat makes sense, so it's probably just the matter of making a project file
17:41.17JefferyMand a new config
17:41.23JefferyMIIRC
17:41.44JefferyMthere are lots of win32 #defs
17:42.00JefferyMthat probably should have been #ifndef USE_SDL
17:42.39JefferyMmy slot should go to ether you or BulletCatcher, as you 2 are the only people workin on bzflag these days
17:44.23trepani'd like to see 3.0 get out, and then let it die
17:45.09JefferyMheh, yet you are going to rip it a new one first
17:45.49JefferyMbut it probably would not be too hard to make an SDL version
17:46.06JefferyMtho probalby less work to fix the windows key input stuff
17:46.23JefferyMsince that all goes into one simple place
17:46.30JefferyMthe winproc
17:46.40trepansounds reasonable, i'll leave it be
17:46.56trepanbut who'll make the win adjustments?  :)
17:47.05JefferyMprobably blast007
17:47.11JefferyMor someone will bug me till I do it
17:47.18JefferyMit is the way of things
17:47.50JefferyMit's higly likely that I'll become very bored of comparing these text files by this afternoon and I can look at it
17:48.16trepani've got a bit to do before committing the patch, no hurry
17:48.43JefferyMif only I could hurry thu this crap :)
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17:50.16JefferyMtrying to use my new code, to find bugs in someone else's new code, when nether of them have been fully tested... less then awesome
18:03.53JefferyMgood lord.. do people just add me to random groups for no reason?
18:05.47JefferyMlike what is bzbureau and why am I a 'superadmin' of it?
18:06.18me1it's the red letters
18:06.19kierramaybe its an appointment of honor?
18:06.42JefferyMred ketters?
18:07.14JefferyMbzflag.eu_admin.. no clue what that is ether
18:09.34Cobra_Fastbzbureau is mrapples bzfs hosting machine
18:10.03JefferyMwhy he'd make me admin of that I have no clue
18:10.15me1it's all in the red letters, i'm telling you
18:10.15JefferyMclicks the delete button a lot
18:10.30Cobra_Fasti guess they add you to the admin groups cuz ure project-admin
18:10.34JefferyMI'm looking at making my letters not be red
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19:20.08JefferyMblast007, can you take me outa the admin group?
19:20.16JefferyMI turned off founder too soon
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19:43.44JefferyMBulletCatcher, wanna be a project admin?
19:43.48JefferyMor DTRemenak ?
19:46.59blast007JefferyM: done
19:47.15JefferyMthanks
19:47.23JefferyMyay.. less fourms to read
19:48.31blast007;)
19:49.33JefferyMsadly I can't get rid of the project admin bit
19:49.51JefferyMwell unless I cheat :0
19:53.22JefferyMwonder what would happen if I make a new sf account, set it as a admin, use that to remove me, then tell SF to remove the new account
19:53.44blast007or just ask them to remove your admin status ;)
19:53.53JefferyMtoo easy
19:53.57blast007hehe
19:54.06JefferyMwana be a project admin?
19:54.13JefferyMyou did build the last windows build :)
19:54.18blast007heh
19:54.30JefferyMand you are one of the few still working on it
19:59.34blast007JefferyM: I'd be willing to be, sure
19:59.56JefferyMI mean you do the releases :)
19:59.59JefferyMsf name?
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20:02.06JefferyMwonder how long it'll take to delete JefferyMyers72 :)
20:02.16blast007heh
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20:05.12JefferyMoh nice, you can tell SF that your project moved to another host
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