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| 01:36.06 | mrapple | When running bzfs on freebsd8 Shared object "libcurl.so.5" not found |
| 01:36.11 | mrapple | and it dies. ideas? |
| 01:36.55 | bryjen | part of curl missing? |
| 01:37.21 | mrapple | not sure |
| 01:39.06 | mrapple | ill take a peak tomorrow |
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| 18:07.06 | blast007 | what are the implications/consequences of directly calling bzfs functions from a bzfs plugin? |
| 18:07.11 | blast007 | as in, bypassing the API |
| 18:13.58 | JefferyM | won't work on windows |
| 18:14.10 | JefferyM | and could possibly change a state that shoudn't be changed |
| 18:14.24 | JefferyM | but that depeneds on what you call |
| 18:14.38 | JefferyM | calling somethign like tokenize won't have any effect other then not working on windows |
| 18:15.25 | blast007 | well, the two functions that were being called was removePlayer and addPlayer ;) |
| 18:16.22 | blast007 | it was for changing teams mid-play, and it actually seemed to work out okay in the example server they had running |
| 18:17.26 | blast007 | even worked from observer (it would switch you to a different team, and then you could spawn) |
| 18:18.06 | blast007 | I suppose it won't be much of an issue since 2.0.x won't be changing |
| 18:19.57 | catay | looks like muri is showing off with her code to everyone :) |
| 18:20.20 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:20.39 | jorgenpt | Hm? |
| 18:21.58 | blast007 | catay: it would be cleaner with a modified API, though still hackish considering it's not part of the protocol ;) |
| 18:23.14 | catay | yeah, very clever from her to do it like that but I think it's very unstable in the end |
| 18:23.38 | JefferyM | from an API design point it's bad form to use funcitons that are not in the API |
| 18:23.44 | JefferyM | since that makes the code less maintainable |
| 18:24.01 | JefferyM | are you looking at accepting code that does this to the sourcebase blast007 ? |
| 18:24.04 | brlcad | less portable |
| 18:24.11 | blast007 | JefferyM: heck now ;) |
| 18:24.14 | blast007 | no* |
| 18:24.15 | catay | lol |
| 18:24.16 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:24.23 | brlcad | now! |
| 18:24.24 | JefferyM | some plugins used to do it |
| 18:24.33 | JefferyM | mostly for the string manipulation stuff |
| 18:24.40 | JefferyM | but we fixed all those up |
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| 18:24.48 | JefferyM | so it can often work |
| 18:25.18 | blast007 | is there no way to make gcc only export our API functions? |
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| 18:28.20 | brlcad | no such thing as imported/exported symbols with shared object libraries |
| 18:28.34 | kierra | waves at brlcad |
| 18:29.05 | JefferyM | yeah gcc dosn't do the export thing |
| 18:29.34 | brlcad | it was a concept tacked onto dynamic libraries for windows as a means to hide implementation details on commercial APIs |
| 18:29.40 | Erroneous | it does on windows. just not on platforms that use libraries that don't support it... |
| 18:31.11 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:31.13 | brlcad | didn't want to let people see that they could bypass the security layer by simply implementing an ObtainAdministratorAccess() funcion ;) |
| 18:31.31 | JefferyM | hugs the internal keyword |
| 18:31.52 | JefferyM | blast007, yeah there is no real practical way for us to prevent someone from doing it |
| 18:31.53 | brlcad | waves back to kierra |
| 18:32.10 | JefferyM | but it's not THAT bad to do from a techincal standpoint |
| 18:32.15 | brlcad | could make all of bz's functions static |
| 18:32.19 | JefferyM | just so long as we don't accept any code like that |
| 18:32.21 | JefferyM | true |
| 18:32.30 | JefferyM | that may cause other issues |
| 18:32.46 | brlcad | undoubtedly, a lot of restructuring |
| 18:32.51 | JefferyM | I don't think it's worth worrying about |
| 18:34.39 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:34.43 | blast007 | http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/Visibility ? |
| 18:35.28 | JefferyM | yeah that sounds like something similar |
| 18:35.32 | JefferyM | and done for good reasons |
| 18:36.29 | brlcad | interesting, wonder how new that is |
| 18:36.38 | JefferyM | is there a way to make the default behavor to hide? then it'd be as simple as changing the macro for the API |
| 18:36.52 | blast007 | "The gcc -fvisibility exists since 3.1 and is supported by binutils" http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2004-May/027026.html |
| 18:37.22 | JefferyM | -fvisibility=hidden |
| 18:37.36 | JefferyM | yeah that should be able to be made to work like windows pretty easy |
| 18:37.53 | JefferyM | an idea from windows that made it into gcc.. how fun ;) |
| 18:38.38 | blast007 | note the "Windows compatibility" section |
| 18:38.58 | JefferyM | yeah I read that |
| 18:39.15 | JefferyM | they did a good call in making it easy to implement in code that is allready cross platform |
| 18:39.32 | JefferyM | and noting it's not about hiding code it's about clean design :) |
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| 21:11.02 | mrapple | if i do ./configure -prefix /home/tony/bzflag will bzfs,bzadmin.plugins and all install there? |
| 21:11.35 | catay | --prefix |
| 21:11.54 | mrapple | but will that put everything there? |
| 21:11.59 | catay | bzfs and such yes, not sure about the plugins |
| 21:12.03 | mrapple | hm ok |
| 21:12.50 | blast007 | no, the plugins will not |
| 21:12.56 | mrapple | ok thanks |
| 21:13.03 | mrapple | i couldnt find where they went last time |
| 21:13.10 | mrapple | and i checked /usr/local/lib/bzflag |
| 21:13.44 | blast007 | there is an --exec-prefix too |
| 21:13.49 | blast007 | check ./configure --help |
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| 21:14.01 | blast007 | some things installed into PREFIX and other install into EPREFIX |
| 21:14.22 | mrapple | ok |
| 21:14.31 | blast007 | both probably default to /usr/local |
| 21:14.42 | blast007 | ah, yeah, they do |
| 21:14.53 | mrapple | well im compiling now, so well see |
| 21:15.08 | blast007 | PREFIX defaults to /usr/local, and EPREFIX defaults to the value of PREFIX - so *maybe* the plugins will install there after all |
| 21:15.18 | mrapple | hm not sure |
| 21:16.33 | blast007 | yeah, try it with just --prefix as that might be all you need |
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